@@GamerShen98 this video explains how to control the appearance of the cards so that your retention cards stick to the ideal 80-90% retention rate th-cam.com/video/1XaJjbCSXT0/w-d-xo.html 80-90 is just a general guideline you can change it as you prefer
I'll be honest, the 2k/6k was just what I needed to get started properly with japanese, since everytime I used a textbook and they wanted me to make a sentence, I felt so dumb because I lacked waaaay too many words. Also, I feel like making your own cards is only necessary if you are using highly specialized words with their context (like naming every part of a cell, or different muscle groups), since vocab cards are just that, vocab and it doesn't really matter how you learn it. Great vid as per usual
The core 2k/6k deck is so well made it’s not on the same level as other pre made decks. It’s professionally made for learning Japanese from a true beginner level on up using sentences. It’s not just some deck some guy made mining sentences on what he thought was cool or interesting. When people say not to use pre made decks (including core 2k/6k) I don’t think they appreciate how awesome that deck is.
Personally I started doing my own decks but they took too much time to create and at the end of the day I didn't even know if those kanji/vocab were necessary, pre-made decks makes life so much easier to some degree
Making your own cards when you're not at the beginner level is very nice, that's what I do with English cards (I'm in a kind of "intermediate" level in english). I've been trying to learn basic Russian (I think I'm probably a masochist) trying to search up the words that I don't know while immersing in the language, and I can say that's very annoying because I don't know 95% of the Russian words, can't understand how they connect to build the sentence even after learning the meaning, and registering all of them is inefficient (because not every word is common and suitable for beginners). So I think a good plan is following someone's path in the beginning, and find your own later. PS: Sorry if it was hard to understand, I don't train writing in English often. I confess I used Google Translate to improve some parts.
Dude your videos deserve much more views. Your Duolingo videos were what got me into Japanese learning about two months ago and nowadays I'm doing the refold method + casually studying tae kim while doing RRTK everyday. Anyways, I was just wondering how useful pre-made decks were and, lo and behold, you had just made a video about that! I'll stay tuned to your next uploads!
I was searching for anime to watch to learn Japanese, and randomly clicked on Yu-Gi-Oh. The first episode was extremely bad(good), but somehow it made me hooked and now I've watched over 145 episodes of it lmao
No single resource is ever going to give you everything, no matter how good it is by itself. If you learn some words from cards, then hear (or see) those words in Japanese news videos, variety shows, dramas, etc., it becomes like 10 times easier to remember those new words because seeing them being used in "real life" is precisely the value that immersion provides. It is so satisfying when you recognize a new word. Also, I would recommend "TheMoeWay Tango N5" deck as it feels much easier than the Core 2k/6k deck. The Tango deck is more natural and generally uses sentences instead of individual words. It sounds more difficult at first because memorizing a sentence sounds harder than memorizing a word, but many of the sentences reuse words, and sentences provide much more context than just individual words. You can do both decks at once and adjust how many new cards a day is shown from each deck (as well as the interval numbers).
I always heard the same thing, that we should do our own decks so it's more personal so it sticks more, but I couldn't totally agree because it's soooo time consuming.... Your experience and your point of view (especially on the difference between words&sentence decks and that decks should be sort of familiar) really makes sense to me so I can now close this question for which I had not found a 'finite' answer until now. I'm using a core10k deck but not just using it normally, I suspended everything and unsuspend cards with the words I encounter in my method, so searching words in a premade deck instead of doing the time consuming task creating cards for it. For now I'm happy with it bcz the deck is really detailed, with sentences, pitch and everything. Sometimes there's not the word I'm looking for unfortunately, shit happens. Thanks for your video :)
To each their own, I guess. I tried 2k core or something like that but ended up giving up on it. Now I try to review the material of my textbook and I decided to make a deck out of the words from all of the lessons. When I add a word card, I try to remember if I've ever heard this word in a song, tv show or a game. For example, the word 小さな is one that I remember through the lyric of the song Solanin by AKFG. I don't really know if it would work, but at least it's fun to remember songs, movies and words.
I'm 1/3 of the way through the Tango N4 deck and I like the structure it provides (i+1 vocab or grammar point, mostly sentence cards). I do some sentence mining on the side related to the domain I ultimately want to focus on, but it's not a priority right now. As long as the cards are serving you (not the other way around) and you're progressing, I think it comes down to personal preference. On that note, I tried using Anki for grammar study but it wasn't working for me, so now I just do lookups when needed + keep track of the grammar points I understand on a spreadsheet.
If the goal is fluency, pound as much vocab as possible and immersion a ton. That's pretty much what I'm doing. 8-12h of immersion daily. Core 10k deck with sentences voiced. I'll have to learn the words at some point anyway, so might aswell plow through them. The context and nuanced meaning will come naturally with immersion. The downside is that this approach is really rough unless you know that it works and can keep yourself going. I'm going for the long game. Also reading Tae Kims and rushing through WK.
@@alexjustalexyt1144 A bit hard to quantify but I'll try. Day 665 (today): Still doing atleast 5h of immersion daily and 1.5h SRS, most days about 8 hours. Time wise I have no idea, conservatively 3600 hours, probably closer to 5000. 2100 kanji, 13-15k words (probably way more since I constantly look up new words daily, anything from 30-100 depending on content) Fairly comfortable with N5-N2 grammar, somewhat comfortable with half of the N1 grammar and the other half is so-so (still working on that bit though). You come to a point where you don't really know, especially when it comes to word count, the first 10k are easy to count, the rarer words and the like come and go when it come to "knowing" them (depends on context aswell). Done with WK pretty much (done all the lessons since 3 months, just gotta mature/burn them). Still working my way through 10k deck, 30 cards a day (half sentences half words in isolation), and 15 grammar sentences a day. I'm done with both in 245 days, at which point I'd probably be around 16k words comfortably. Will continue to immerse and SRS until then, then start reading novels and make cards out of that. A bit long-winded sorry.
One thing I didn't like about the Core Deck was that the sentences would have words you haven't learned yet. So I often ended up learning those words, only for them to come up later.
You aren't supposed to learn the sentence with vocab cards, they only serve to give you an idea on how the word is used. As someone who used a similar Core deck with the sentence in the front, learning two unknown words at the same time is pain. You'll end up failing one of them and thus having to review both again, wasting more time. I'd personally recommend doing the N5 Tango deck as the sentences are i+1, meaning they only have 1 unknown word. You can do N4 after that, but I'd personally suggest to start sentence mining while using the anime/netflix word frequency list with Yomichan. Your comprehension will boost a LOT if you learn the common words of what you immerse in, instead of premade decks which very often have bad frequency order (many of them being based on old newspapers).
@@x123Juancho123x I only tried to learn the one word on the card. But the sentence was more difficult to understand with extra unknown words being thrown in. Btw, I finished the Core Deck years ago, so thanks for recommending stuff but it's a bit too late lol.
I’m really watching this video as I get back into Korean. Livakivi’s learning style matches mine more than other TH-camrs. I’m going to use a “core” 5k deck for Korean I got off Anki allegedly based on frequency with target words, an example sentence, English translations, and I paid for custom native audio to add to it. (The last bit was expensive and stupid but oh well 😅). I think my recognition Korean vocabulary is roughly 1.5k and I tried making my own cards from material I’m reading etc and I just can’t do as good a job filtering out the most important words from the ones I should ignore. A good premade deck is a god send. After I get more advanced I know I will not struggle to remember less common advanced vocabulary so mining my own words and sentences will go much smoother. It’s chaotic now though.
@@DoughBrain A Frequency Dictionary of Korean. But I just stumbled on a few new decks that look really interesting. Basically one deck divided up into beginner, intermediate, and advanced. It’s called Korean Sentences and has an octopus in the title. It’s based on i + 1 and it’s an audio deck with really good audio. I am going to try using alongside (that’s a lot of Anki). I wonder if the audio is a native speaker or some AI voice.
I'm doing RRTK rn, half way through. After I done with RRTK, I plan to go for Refold JP1K + Tango N5 (or maybe even Tango N4) Then I would jump start sentence mining (even though I really have no idea about it rn)
@@pateto_21 I've actually prematurely stopped RRTK, I moved onto learning vocab through 2k/6k. After about a quarter of the way through I've pretty much understand how kanji are constructed so now it's easier to understand vocab that contain kanji. It's not so much about learning the meaning of every single kanji but being able to recognize their individual parts to differentiate them.
@@Seag-Gaming I agree with you mate. Btw, how big is your RRTK deck? my RRTK just 1250 (I'm curious because I saw some deck was like 3000 and I think that kinda too much lol)
I've only been practicing for a few weeks, the most exciting thing that happened in that time span was recognising the kanji for "woman" on a bathroom door
@@Livakivi Thank you so muc!. What a useful tool! I'm new to the language-learning community online, although I'm not new to language learning itself. I'm so glad there is such a wealth of new resources online now that simply did not used to exist back in the day.
Great video! I’d like to ask a few questions, as I have wanted get into language learning for quite a bit now. If you already answered these questions and I didn’t realize, then please tell me where I can find the answers. No1: as a non-native english speaker, but with almost perfect fluency, do you recommend using material in your native language (which is less, but should be easier to understand) or sticking with English, that has obviously the greatest offer, but can be more difficult? I mean, if I’m starting to learn a new language, I will obviously have less vocabulary than English (as most of us are quite skilled in it), but will it be harder to remember if it’s not in my native language? No2: you showed us how anyone can learn with patience and time, even if they have little free time. But what can you tell me about the “interference” that learning a language has on other stuff you make? I mean, I’m in high school, I play in a semi-professional team: time is limited, but in theory I could find some before/after studying or in the car while going to the team practice... but here’s the problem. As I finish studying, I get really tired, mentally speaking. I feel like I can’t do anything more, and even if it’s something cool that makes me happy I really struggle doing it (heck, I can’t even play my favorurite games if they are too competitive as I find it hard to concentrate after maybe 2.5 / 3 hours of studying). I feel like trying to fit anymore information would be impossible, or even bad, as I won’t properly remember neither of them. What is your experience about this? Keep up with your work, your videos are really cool!
Hey, you can try both material in your native language and in English. Personally there isn't much Japanese material in my native language (Estonian), so I don't even have much of a choice. As for the work capacity with learning a language requires, I feel like learning a language is something that can be done alongside other mentally tasks, as its something that can be done during idle times, and for example Anki doesn't require much other than to dedicate some time on it. You can always try it yourself and see how it works out for you!
A lot of people actually in every profession, especially in language learning completely forget how different and more difficult it is to be a complete beginner in a field/language vs being an upper intermediate.
Hey, once again, great video! I have a couple of quick questions: What is/was your approach to using the core 2k deck, did you consider a card known if you could understand the meaning of the vocabulary or did you also learn the reading of the vocab? When starting the core 2k deck, what was your kanji level at? Also, do you have any tips for recognition of the vocab in the core 2k? I am currently 500 kanji deep in RRTK and I feel like the only reason why I am able to remember the kanji are due to the mnemonics which are not included in the core 2k.
I started using the Core 2k/6k deck when I was about 2 weeks into learning Japanese, so I had barely learned any kanji. In the beginning, I was really strict with my reviews, I had to get the meaning and reading both completely correct, but I think its fine when you're a beginner to hit "good" when you got at least the meaning or the reading correct on NEW cards (when you get the same card a few days later, then aim for getting both the reading and meaning correct when you hit good). Personally I didn't use any mnemonics, I didn't even learn Kanji or radicals separately before I started using the Core 2k/6k, I just brute force grinded it every day until eventually it started getting A BIT easier due to getting more familiar with the readings and meanings of kanji. I don't have any life hacks other than to maybe start immersing through reading and watching stuff with Japanese subtitles to have more exposure to kanji/words so you'd recognize them easier in Anki.
@@Livakivi Thanks for the quick reply. Brute forcing both the meaning and the reading without prior knowledge of the language sounds challenging. Impressive work!
I think 500 is okay, you can stop studying new cards in the deck and jump into the core deck. Personally I feel like I wasted time on RTK and should have jumped straight to learning vocabulary.
Hey man you seem to be a fan of MattvsJapan so I was just wondering you opted for a vocab deck instead of a sentence deck, I understand that 6k deck has an example sentence but I am referring to cards with the sentence on the front. Lovin your videos.
I started using the vocab deck way before I even knew of Matt, but even he has said that there are advantages and disadvantages to both, and both are valid. Imo, its better to get started with vocab cards, and later when you already have a baseline vocabulary of say 1000 to 4000 words, using sentence cards might become more valuable, as long as you make them from the content that you're immersing with.
How can you I+1 when you’re a complete beginner? You can’t. Straight up vocabulary decks will be more effective until you at least get a few hundred words under your belt.
audio flashcards are a huge level up for listening practice while you're still getting the sound of the language in your head, because you can replay the clip several times. The 2k deck is really great, not sure about 6k. for learning vocabulary I'm still not really sold on flash cards as the fastest way. because in order for passing/failing a card to make sense, you have to limit the amount of reasons you could fail to understand... which means probably only one new thing per card. This isn't good for chunking information, and moving between cards is not a free action, it eats into your study time. That said, if you can tolerate the tedium it will eventually get you there. To really be learning in context, we probably want to be reviewing at least a paragraph, which means lots of words we may stumble on, but also lots of words we get for free because we remember what the paragraph was about. But that doesn't work so well with flashcards
The only thing I hate about the 2k/6k deck is probably thaz some word appear multiple times and words with the same subject like weekdays are not all in the same part of the deck. I will probably try to build my own anki vocabulary deck with 20k words with the help of pyhton and probably with googles cloud text to speech api. Than I could use this deck to generate specific deck's for every Anime. I tested my program with mob psycho if I remember correctly has about 2800 different words, but the 2k/6k only contains only about 1300.
Quick question: I started learning japanese everyday through Anki a month back, but turns out I had downloaded a core 2k/6k version that is split up into 3 parts, and it seems the order of the cards is very different compared to the complete deck. I just found this out and honestly I'm kinda clueless if I should start over or just keep going, what would you recommend? I don't wanna restart if it won't make much of a difference, but I figured you'd know more of the importance of the card order.
@@Livakivi Thanks for the answer, I got really nervous and didn't want to restart. Btw, I love your content and it motivated me to start studying japanese, so thanks for that too! :)
just getting anki setup is already a pain in the ass, so as a beginner to be expected to make your own flashcards and somehow keep that up is crazy, premade all the way. With the Core 2k acquired you can start moving into custom decks imo. If the core2k/6k deck wasn't as good as it is then I could see an argument for just going custom immediately, but there is no reason to when that deck will give you so much value out of the box
So from what ive gathered, I should learn about 2k vocabulary words through Anki first, and then move on to immersion and sentence mining after ive finished the 2k vocab?
Have u ever used the TANGO decks ? i have used both for a little and feel like TANGO is way better due to its progression ... would love to hear your opinion on them if u ever used them ... Great video btw ...
Can I ask you what you think about using memrise? In case you don't know it, it is also a flashcard app/website but way simpler than anki. It can only do three things "learn", "review" and "turbo". But instead of showing you the front and then the back, it shows you the front and either gives you multiple choice or you have to type in the answer (randomly chosen which type of exercise). The deck I use has native voice but I am not sure if it is a good alternative since EVERYONE only every mentions Anki. The multiple choice makes it a lot faster to go through (but of course you don't have to think as hard) and the typing makes it slower again (but you have to "actively" produce the language, instead of "just" thinking about it). Also the one I use has 2 cards for every word. One where you get the english word and have to type in the japanese or see the japanese word and have to choose the English one and one where you get the Kanji and have to type in /(choose) the pronunciation. It's supposed to help you with reading. Do you have any thoughts about this? The one I do right now includes everything you need vocabluary wise for N5 and there are decks for N4-1 too.
Its up to you - I know some memrise community made decks have the same Core 2k/6k as mentioned in the video. The cards where you type the Japanese from English are output cards, which I personally don't bother with, because I didn't need to output early. But if you want to output (speak/write) early, then its probably fine to strengthen your recall and active vocabulary.
Hi! I have one question! I'm currently learning with a N5 book and I only use vocab cards on anki from my textbook. Do you think I still need to integrate sentence cards from some N5 anki deck (not related to the book I'm using) to my collection or should I just learn the vocab from my textbook for now? Would appreciate any answer!
@@Livakivi thank you for the answer! I really see you as some kind of japanese learning motivation so I appreciate tbe help! Thank you for your great videos
livakivi, what are your thoughts on Minna no Nihongo, I got it even it was pretty expensive and I have to say that its not that bad, but you never mentioned it so you have a reason?
As for immersion.. How did you start with it? Did you watch anime and videos first or did you start with reading? And how exactly did you do it (subtitles, etc)? When did you start, .....? Would be nice if you could cover your approach with immersion and your experience with it in one of your future videos! :)
I recommend watching stuff with English (or your native language) subtitles, whilst trying to pay as much attention to the Japanese as possible. And after that, try to switch to watching stuff with Japanese subtitles, and looking up the words through an extension like yomichan. I still don't think I have "properly" immersed yet (or at least, as much as I should have), but this summer I'll change that, and the upcoming videos are going to cover it!
I'd recommend doing the N5 Tango deck as the sentences are i+1, meaning they only have 1 unknown word. You can do N4 after that, but I'd personally suggest to start sentence mining while using the anime/netflix word frequency list with Yomichan. Your comprehension will boost a LOT if you learn the common words of what you immerse in, instead of premade decks which very often have bad frequency order (many of them being based on old newspapers).
Fyi the link to your discord is coming as invalid. Can I please get a new Link? Also anyone any thoughts on core 2k/6 deck VS an RRKT. I'm using an RRKT deck but I wander if I should switch to core 2k
The link should work now! It actually was a valid link, but for some reason TH-cam keeps randomly putting a hidden u200b character behind my links which makes them invalid. Also about RRTK and Core 2k/6k, imo they're different decks. The RRTK is for learning kanji separately and the Core 2k/6k is a vocabulary deck, has more than just singular kanji. You can use both!
the core deck i got has a japanese sentence without the main word up front, along with the english translation and meaning of the word, and the kanji and pronunciation on the back, im worried im doing it wrong >: im only like 150 cards in but if its bad for learning id rather not be spending like....6 months and find out then that ive been doing vocabulary suboptimal.
I'm encountering the same thing to where the *given word* is *する* which means 「do, make」 and the sentence is "友達「 ともだち」と一緒「いっしょ」宿題「しゅくだい」を*した*。" or in English "I did my homework with a friend." AND as you can see the word "する" isn't there. So i did a research as little as possible (since I'm too lazy at the moment ) but there wasn't really a forum that specifically talks about my problem. And if you noticed the した is in bolded which is bolded in my anki too (bolded words in anki means it's the main word). So I came up to the conclusion where する has another form (which could be した) that varies depending on the sentence itself. To put this in perspective it's like *make turns to made* based on the sentence.
it seems insane to me that you spent over 900 days pursing Japanese and you still act you you only just started. I know fluency can take decades but I'd expect to be able to read most shonen manga at that point.
It really depends on how many hours you put in every day, as well as what you focus on. If I had spent the 900 days reading manga for 2 hours a day, I would probably be much better at reading manga and so on.
An anki deck is like a collection of flash cards. Anki cards are very customizable design-wise, and some people post their anki decks online for others to use. I’d recommended using anki to retain vocab you learned or learn some new words with a premade deck (ex: 2K vocab deck). It’s one of the best supplements for my learning so try it.
I recommend checking this video (among other videos about using Anki to learn a language): th-cam.com/video/SVEcTd6LEwo/w-d-xo.html Essentially, Anki is a SRS (spaced-repetition software), that you can download on your PC or phone, and you can make flashcards for anything you want (its really popular in medschool for example). A group of flashcards is called a deck. You can also share the decks with others, or download decks made by others.
I just ordered the Routledge frequency dictionary and am planning on using the Core 5k deck based on it. I have trouble getting things to stick in Anki that I haven’t gotten experience with first from a book or other resource.
@@Livakivi Väga lahe! Üritan ise ka hetkel vaikselt jaapani keelt kõrvalt arendada. Aktsendi järgi küll aru ei oleks saanud, kuus aastat asjatut vene keelt ajas kõrvad kikki, aga eestikeelne Google otsing peaaegu kinnitas kahtlusi su päritolu osas :D Väga kvaliteetsed videod, jõudu nendega.
I don't know if I want to link it as I'm not sure if it counts for sharing links of piracy. Technically the deck is made from content that isn't paywalled nor does it require any kind of log in, however I don't want to risk it. Also, those links change often, and the link to an article which has a download link is actually visible in the video at one point.
@@Livakivi bro, just because it's free doesn't mean it's piracy. A simple Google search would yield a result so giving a link would just make it a bit more convenient. If you're still unsure can I post the link that I used here?
@@xXDarQXx That's the point, if you can find the deck just by clicking on the first result by Googling, then there's no point in me taking the risk. But fine, I put the indirect link to the guide I used to get started with the deck.
BELIEVE IN THE HEART OF THE CARDS
I BERIEVE!
what was your retention rate with the 6k deck?
@@GamerShen98 Took a screenshot of my buttons: i.imgur.com/GyHIB1F.png
@@TainoMoya I too berieve
@@GamerShen98 this video explains how to control the appearance of the cards so that your retention cards stick to the ideal 80-90% retention rate th-cam.com/video/1XaJjbCSXT0/w-d-xo.html
80-90 is just a general guideline you can change it as you prefer
Wait, I can't watch the new Livakivi yet. I'm not dressed properly.
sweatpants and flip flops
@@Livakivi Sandals, my dear Watson.
@@Livakivi sweatpants, flip flops and a pair of glasses.
@@Livakivi flip flops with socks
@@有賀_竜樹 lmao
I'll be honest, the 2k/6k was just what I needed to get started properly with japanese, since everytime I used a textbook and they wanted me to make a sentence, I felt so dumb because I lacked waaaay too many words.
Also, I feel like making your own cards is only necessary if you are using highly specialized words with their context (like naming every part of a cell, or different muscle groups), since vocab cards are just that, vocab and it doesn't really matter how you learn it.
Great vid as per usual
The core 2k/6k deck is so well made it’s not on the same level as other pre made decks. It’s professionally made for learning Japanese from a true beginner level on up using sentences. It’s not just some deck some guy made mining sentences on what he thought was cool or interesting. When people say not to use pre made decks (including core 2k/6k) I don’t think they appreciate how awesome that deck is.
Livakivi started learning how to read minds
because he read mine
same, I was about to download my first anki deck and this video popped up haha
Personally I started doing my own decks but they took too much time to create and at the end of the day I didn't even know if those kanji/vocab were necessary, pre-made decks makes life so much easier to some degree
Your videos are a piece of art, thank you so much!
anyone else hear Linkin Park @ 6:29?
I'm starting to believe that your thumbnails are a piece of art
Making your own cards when you're not at the beginner level is very nice, that's what I do with English cards (I'm in a kind of "intermediate" level in english). I've been trying to learn basic Russian (I think I'm probably a masochist) trying to search up the words that I don't know while immersing in the language, and I can say that's very annoying because I don't know 95% of the Russian words, can't understand how they connect to build the sentence even after learning the meaning, and registering all of them is inefficient (because not every word is common and suitable for beginners). So I think a good plan is following someone's path in the beginning, and find your own later.
PS: Sorry if it was hard to understand, I don't train writing in English often. I confess I used Google Translate to improve some parts.
@@aforestsagedruid6838 É nois
Don't worry mate, your english was better than all of the essays I've written in my whole life...
@@pateto_21 Actually I had to search some words to make that comment
@@capitaopacoca8454 You're doing just fine, mate. Really appreciate your effort!
Google translate worked. 😁
Ah, yes. A new video. That's all I needed.
This is actually something I've been thinking about a lot lately, thank you for the video!
Your content is so good! You deserve more subscribers!
Your efforts are inspiring. Thanks for another great video!
Dude your videos deserve much more views. Your Duolingo videos were what got me into Japanese learning about two months ago and nowadays I'm doing the refold method + casually studying tae kim while doing RRTK everyday. Anyways, I was just wondering how useful pre-made decks were and, lo and behold, you had just made a video about that! I'll stay tuned to your next uploads!
I never tire of your editing. All the Yu-Gi-Oh references, haha.
I was searching for anime to watch to learn Japanese, and randomly clicked on Yu-Gi-Oh. The first episode was extremely bad(good), but somehow it made me hooked and now I've watched over 145 episodes of it lmao
Oh, wow. Was this early on in your Japanese journey? Would you recommend Yu-Gi-Oh?
@@Arctagon It was just recently a few weeks ago. It's not a perfect show but it was pretty fun for me, had some level of nostalgia too.
No single resource is ever going to give you everything, no matter how good it is by itself.
If you learn some words from cards, then hear (or see) those words in Japanese news videos, variety shows, dramas, etc., it becomes like 10 times easier to remember those new words because seeing them being used in "real life" is precisely the value that immersion provides. It is so satisfying when you recognize a new word.
Also, I would recommend "TheMoeWay Tango N5" deck as it feels much easier than the Core 2k/6k deck. The Tango deck is more natural and generally uses sentences instead of individual words. It sounds more difficult at first because memorizing a sentence sounds harder than memorizing a word, but many of the sentences reuse words, and sentences provide much more context than just individual words. You can do both decks at once and adjust how many new cards a day is shown from each deck (as well as the interval numbers).
Just wanna tell you to not get demotivated by low views. I really like your videos.
I always heard the same thing, that we should do our own decks so it's more personal so it sticks more, but I couldn't totally agree because it's soooo time consuming....
Your experience and your point of view (especially on the difference between words&sentence decks and that decks should be sort of familiar) really makes sense to me so I can now close this question for which I had not found a 'finite' answer until now.
I'm using a core10k deck but not just using it normally, I suspended everything and unsuspend cards with the words I encounter in my method, so searching words in a premade deck instead of doing the time consuming task creating cards for it. For now I'm happy with it bcz the deck is really detailed, with sentences, pitch and everything. Sometimes there's not the word I'm looking for unfortunately, shit happens.
Thanks for your video :)
To each their own, I guess. I tried 2k core or something like that but ended up giving up on it. Now I try to review the material of my textbook and I decided to make a deck out of the words from all of the lessons. When I add a word card, I try to remember if I've ever heard this word in a song, tv show or a game. For example, the word 小さな is one that I remember through the lyric of the song Solanin by AKFG. I don't really know if it would work, but at least it's fun to remember songs, movies and words.
I'm 1/3 of the way through the Tango N4 deck and I like the structure it provides (i+1 vocab or grammar point, mostly sentence cards). I do some sentence mining on the side related to the domain I ultimately want to focus on, but it's not a priority right now. As long as the cards are serving you (not the other way around) and you're progressing, I think it comes down to personal preference.
On that note, I tried using Anki for grammar study but it wasn't working for me, so now I just do lookups when needed + keep track of the grammar points I understand on a spreadsheet.
If the goal is fluency, pound as much vocab as possible and immersion a ton. That's pretty much what I'm doing. 8-12h of immersion daily. Core 10k deck with sentences voiced. I'll have to learn the words at some point anyway, so might aswell plow through them. The context and nuanced meaning will come naturally with immersion. The downside is that this approach is really rough unless you know that it works and can keep yourself going. I'm going for the long game. Also reading Tae Kims and rushing through WK.
Holy fucking shit, that sounds crazy. How far have you gotten since this comment? I'm dying to know
@@alexjustalexyt1144 A bit hard to quantify but I'll try. Day 665 (today): Still doing atleast 5h of immersion daily and 1.5h SRS, most days about 8 hours. Time wise I have no idea, conservatively 3600 hours, probably closer to 5000. 2100 kanji, 13-15k words (probably way more since I constantly look up new words daily, anything from 30-100 depending on content) Fairly comfortable with N5-N2 grammar, somewhat comfortable with half of the N1 grammar and the other half is so-so (still working on that bit though). You come to a point where you don't really know, especially when it comes to word count, the first 10k are easy to count, the rarer words and the like come and go when it come to "knowing" them (depends on context aswell). Done with WK pretty much (done all the lessons since 3 months, just gotta mature/burn them). Still working my way through 10k deck, 30 cards a day (half sentences half words in isolation), and 15 grammar sentences a day. I'm done with both in 245 days, at which point I'd probably be around 16k words comfortably. Will continue to immerse and SRS until then, then start reading novels and make cards out of that. A bit long-winded sorry.
@user-jd9sj1mq2b how the hell does someone who works 9 to 10 hour days with adult responsibilities can immerse this much?
Your editing is so good, dude.
bro your editing skills are crazy
One thing I didn't like about the Core Deck was that the sentences would have words you haven't learned yet. So I often ended up learning those words, only for them to come up later.
Personally I never explicitly learned words I didn't know in the example sentences, but yeah the example sentences aren't exactly i+1 indeed.
You aren't supposed to learn the sentence with vocab cards, they only serve to give you an idea on how the word is used. As someone who used a similar Core deck with the sentence in the front, learning two unknown words at the same time is pain. You'll end up failing one of them and thus having to review both again, wasting more time.
I'd personally recommend doing the N5 Tango deck as the sentences are i+1, meaning they only have 1 unknown word. You can do N4 after that, but I'd personally suggest to start sentence mining while using the anime/netflix word frequency list with Yomichan.
Your comprehension will boost a LOT if you learn the common words of what you immerse in, instead of premade decks which very often have bad frequency order (many of them being based on old newspapers).
@@x123Juancho123x I only tried to learn the one word on the card. But the sentence was more difficult to understand with extra unknown words being thrown in. Btw, I finished the Core Deck years ago, so thanks for recommending stuff but it's a bit too late lol.
isn't that a good thing? more repetition
I’m really watching this video as I get back into Korean. Livakivi’s learning style matches mine more than other TH-camrs. I’m going to use a “core” 5k deck for Korean I got off Anki allegedly based on frequency with target words, an example sentence, English translations, and I paid for custom native audio to add to it. (The last bit was expensive and stupid but oh well 😅). I think my recognition Korean vocabulary is roughly 1.5k and I tried making my own cards from material I’m reading etc and I just can’t do as good a job filtering out the most important words from the ones I should ignore. A good premade deck is a god send. After I get more advanced I know I will not struggle to remember less common advanced vocabulary so mining my own words and sentences will go much smoother. It’s chaotic now though.
Which deck are you using on Anki? If it works then I'd love to try it out. (I'm also studying Korean)
@@DoughBrain A Frequency Dictionary of Korean. But I just stumbled on a few new decks that look really interesting. Basically one deck divided up into beginner, intermediate, and advanced. It’s called Korean Sentences and has an octopus in the title. It’s based on i + 1 and it’s an audio deck with really good audio. I am going to try using alongside (that’s a lot of Anki). I wonder if the audio is a native speaker or some AI voice.
@@paulwalther5237 Thank you so much!
The algorithm is so stupid, your videos never show up in my feed. :( I always have to look up your channel manually.
And for some reason your comment didn't give me a notification, so had to randomly find it when checking the comments manually as well :/
This vid is a surprise to be sure, bu a welcome one
I'm loving RRTK so much, a cool video at an unusually convenient time
I'm doing RRTK rn, half way through.
After I done with RRTK, I plan to go for Refold JP1K + Tango N5 (or maybe even Tango N4)
Then I would jump start sentence mining (even though I really have no idea about it rn)
@@pateto_21 I've actually prematurely stopped RRTK, I moved onto learning vocab through 2k/6k. After about a quarter of the way through I've pretty much understand how kanji are constructed so now it's easier to understand vocab that contain kanji. It's not so much about learning the meaning of every single kanji but being able to recognize their individual parts to differentiate them.
@@Seag-Gaming I agree with you mate. Btw, how big is your RRTK deck? my RRTK just 1250 (I'm curious because I saw some deck was like 3000 and I think that kinda too much lol)
@@pateto_21 around 2250
good job on the An-Ki-Oh portmanteau in the thumbnail
I've only been practicing for a few weeks, the most exciting thing that happened in that time span was recognising the kanji for "woman" on a bathroom door
Lmao your thumbnails are always the best
What program were you using at around 4:37 to hover over the Netflix subtitles? That seems suuuper useful!
Yomichan and subadub
@@Livakivi Thank you so muc!. What a useful tool! I'm new to the language-learning community online, although I'm not new to language learning itself. I'm so glad there is such a wealth of new resources online now that simply did not used to exist back in the day.
Great video!
I’d like to ask a few questions, as I have wanted get into language learning for quite a bit now.
If you already answered these questions and I didn’t realize, then please tell me where I can find the answers.
No1: as a non-native english speaker, but with almost perfect fluency, do you recommend using material in your native language (which is less, but should be easier to understand) or sticking with English, that has obviously the greatest offer, but can be more difficult? I mean, if I’m starting to learn a new language, I will obviously have less vocabulary than English (as most of us are quite skilled in it), but will it be harder to remember if it’s not in my native language?
No2: you showed us how anyone can learn with patience and time, even if they have little free time. But what can you tell me about the “interference” that learning a language has on other stuff you make? I mean, I’m in high school, I play in a semi-professional team: time is limited, but in theory I could find some before/after studying or in the car while going to the team practice... but here’s the problem. As I finish studying, I get really tired, mentally speaking. I feel like I can’t do anything more, and even if it’s something cool that makes me happy I really struggle doing it (heck, I can’t even play my favorurite games if they are too competitive as I find it hard to concentrate after maybe 2.5 / 3 hours of studying). I feel like trying to fit anymore information would be impossible, or even bad, as I won’t properly remember neither of them. What is your experience about this?
Keep up with your work, your videos are really cool!
Hey, you can try both material in your native language and in English. Personally there isn't much Japanese material in my native language (Estonian), so I don't even have much of a choice.
As for the work capacity with learning a language requires, I feel like learning a language is something that can be done alongside other mentally tasks, as its something that can be done during idle times, and for example Anki doesn't require much other than to dedicate some time on it. You can always try it yourself and see how it works out for you!
PC gamers when they find out their decks are pre built: ಠಗಠ
6:28 You had to fall to lose it all, but in the end still doesn't even matter too?
It didn't even matter how hard I tried
People telling you to make your own deck don't really get how fucking hard this is...
A lot of people actually in every profession, especially in language learning completely forget how different and more difficult it is to be a complete beginner in a field/language vs being an upper intermediate.
I have difficulty study foreign language every day like him
He is by far the best learner in the youtuber
7:07 are you using an extension here? (if you are what's it called)
Yomichan and Subadub
Hey, once again, great video!
I have a couple of quick questions:
What is/was your approach to using the core 2k deck, did you consider a card known if you could understand the meaning of the vocabulary or did you also learn the reading of the vocab?
When starting the core 2k deck, what was your kanji level at?
Also, do you have any tips for recognition of the vocab in the core 2k? I am currently 500 kanji deep in RRTK and I feel like the only reason why I am able to remember the kanji are due to the mnemonics which are not included in the core 2k.
I started using the Core 2k/6k deck when I was about 2 weeks into learning Japanese, so I had barely learned any kanji. In the beginning, I was really strict with my reviews, I had to get the meaning and reading both completely correct, but I think its fine when you're a beginner to hit "good" when you got at least the meaning or the reading correct on NEW cards (when you get the same card a few days later, then aim for getting both the reading and meaning correct when you hit good).
Personally I didn't use any mnemonics, I didn't even learn Kanji or radicals separately before I started using the Core 2k/6k, I just brute force grinded it every day until eventually it started getting A BIT easier due to getting more familiar with the readings and meanings of kanji. I don't have any life hacks other than to maybe start immersing through reading and watching stuff with Japanese subtitles to have more exposure to kanji/words so you'd recognize them easier in Anki.
@@Livakivi Thanks for the quick reply. Brute forcing both the meaning and the reading without prior knowledge of the language sounds challenging. Impressive work!
I think 500 is okay, you can stop studying new cards in the deck and jump into the core deck.
Personally I feel like I wasted time on RTK and should have jumped straight to learning vocabulary.
Dude wtf i was with the same question yesterday
Hey man you seem to be a fan of MattvsJapan so I was just wondering you opted for a vocab deck instead of a sentence deck, I understand that 6k deck has an example sentence but I am referring to cards with the sentence on the front. Lovin your videos.
I started using the vocab deck way before I even knew of Matt, but even he has said that there are advantages and disadvantages to both, and both are valid. Imo, its better to get started with vocab cards, and later when you already have a baseline vocabulary of say 1000 to 4000 words, using sentence cards might become more valuable, as long as you make them from the content that you're immersing with.
How can you I+1 when you’re a complete beginner? You can’t. Straight up vocabulary decks will be more effective until you at least get a few hundred words under your belt.
audio flashcards are a huge level up for listening practice while you're still getting the sound of the language in your head, because you can replay the clip several times. The 2k deck is really great, not sure about 6k.
for learning vocabulary I'm still not really sold on flash cards as the fastest way. because in order for passing/failing a card to make sense, you have to limit the amount of reasons you could fail to understand... which means probably only one new thing per card. This isn't good for chunking information, and moving between cards is not a free action, it eats into your study time. That said, if you can tolerate the tedium it will eventually get you there.
To really be learning in context, we probably want to be reviewing at least a paragraph, which means lots of words we may stumble on, but also lots of words we get for free because we remember what the paragraph was about. But that doesn't work so well with flashcards
God tier level thumbs
The only thing I hate about the 2k/6k deck is probably thaz some word appear multiple times and words with the same subject like weekdays are not all in the same part of the deck. I will probably try to build my own anki vocabulary deck with 20k words with the help of pyhton and probably with googles cloud text to speech api. Than I could use this deck to generate specific deck's for every Anime. I tested my program with mob psycho if I remember correctly has about 2800 different words, but the 2k/6k only contains only about 1300.
keep up the great work
Vocab cards with the sentence on the front are the best
Quick question:
I started learning japanese everyday through Anki a month back, but turns out I had downloaded a core 2k/6k version that is split up into 3 parts, and it seems the order of the cards is very different compared to the complete deck. I just found this out and honestly I'm kinda clueless if I should start over or just keep going, what would you recommend? I don't wanna restart if it won't make much of a difference, but I figured you'd know more of the importance of the card order.
Not sure what the deck is like, but I don't think it matters that much honestly
@@Livakivi Thanks for the answer, I got really nervous and didn't want to restart. Btw, I love your content and it motivated me to start studying japanese, so thanks for that too! :)
just getting anki setup is already a pain in the ass, so as a beginner to be expected to make your own flashcards and somehow keep that up is crazy, premade all the way. With the Core 2k acquired you can start moving into custom decks imo. If the core2k/6k deck wasn't as good as it is then I could see an argument for just going custom immediately, but there is no reason to when that deck will give you so much value out of the box
このビデオはめっちゃ平凡じゃない！
So from what ive gathered, I should learn about 2k vocabulary words through Anki first, and then move on to immersion and sentence mining after ive finished the 2k vocab?
Thank you! :)
Have u ever used the TANGO decks ?
i have used both for a little and feel like TANGO is way better due to its progression ...
would love to hear your opinion on them if u ever used them ...
Great video btw ...
I haven't used them, but I hear a lot of people use them and like them, so they might be good
Does anybody know how to get that (Card counts) tracker at 1:23
What is the extension you use at 4:37 to highlight subtitles and get dictionary entries??
Yomichan
What’s the website from 4:27?
crunchyroll
@@Livakivi thx
What is that thing where you highlight words in subtitles and you can immediately see if it is a card in a deck?
Its the yomichan extension! It uses dictionaries that you can add there for look-ups. Also can create cards on the fly too.
He tried so hard, and got so far, but it didn’t really matter… so he made a new Anki deck
Can I ask you what you think about using memrise? In case you don't know it, it is also a flashcard app/website but way simpler than anki. It can only do three things "learn", "review" and "turbo". But instead of showing you the front and then the back, it shows you the front and either gives you multiple choice or you have to type in the answer (randomly chosen which type of exercise).
The deck I use has native voice but I am not sure if it is a good alternative since EVERYONE only every mentions Anki. The multiple choice makes it a lot faster to go through (but of course you don't have to think as hard) and the typing makes it slower again (but you have to "actively" produce the language, instead of "just" thinking about it).
Also the one I use has 2 cards for every word. One where you get the english word and have to type in the japanese or see the japanese word and have to choose the English one and one where you get the Kanji and have to type in /(choose) the pronunciation. It's supposed to help you with reading.
Do you have any thoughts about this? The one I do right now includes everything you need vocabluary wise for N5 and there are decks for N4-1 too.
Its up to you - I know some memrise community made decks have the same Core 2k/6k as mentioned in the video.
The cards where you type the Japanese from English are output cards, which I personally don't bother with, because I didn't need to output early. But if you want to output (speak/write) early, then its probably fine to strengthen your recall and active vocabulary.
Kanji in context was updated anki japanese deck. Last update may 2021. Author have more updates anki deck. Sorry my English is bad. 😂
Came back to this video just for the Linkin Park reference at 6:29 because Linkin Park is back
Good tips, thanks.
By the way, do you play yugioh ?
livakivi, how much time do you spend on anki?
hey man what is the extension you use to be able to select the subtitles on Netflix?
LMAO THE YU GI OH SCEEN
🤣🤣
Hi! I have one question!
I'm currently learning with a N5 book and I only use vocab cards on anki from my textbook.
Do you think I still need to integrate sentence cards from some N5 anki deck (not related to the book I'm using) to my collection or should I just learn the vocab from my textbook for now?
Would appreciate any answer!
You can just use the vocab cards from your textbook until you've finished taking all of them from the book!
@@Livakivi thank you for the answer! I really see you as some kind of japanese learning motivation so I appreciate tbe help! Thank you for your great videos
That’s again a really great video! Can someone help me to find a frequency Deck for French, Spanish and English? Thank you
What's the hover meaning on subtitles from in the video?
beginner question regarding the 2k deck - should i be able to read the kanji or only the hiragana and katakana for marking the card as easy?
Watch my video on Anki and that deck: th-cam.com/video/husCWKdxiRI/w-d-xo.html
Maybe you can help , ive tried installing the 2k6k deck Nd it only imports 4k and seems to start on super complex kanji , i have no idea how to fix it
Maybe you already have some other deck that has 2000 duplicate cards from the deck so it doesn't import them
@@Livakivi that was it , thank you
Does anyone have the tae kim grammar sentence deck link? the one in the description is dead unfortunately
livakivi, what are your thoughts on Minna no Nihongo, I got it even it was pretty expensive and I have to say that its not that bad, but you never mentioned it so you have a reason?
Idk, I don't know anything about it.
what game is that at 2:58 ?
Opoona
@@Livakivi ah thanks ! really enjoying your videos btw !
As for immersion.. How did you start with it? Did you watch anime and videos first or did you start with reading? And how exactly did you do it (subtitles, etc)? When did you start, .....?
Would be nice if you could cover your approach with immersion and your experience with it in one of your future videos! :)
I recommend watching stuff with English (or your native language) subtitles, whilst trying to pay as much attention to the Japanese as possible. And after that, try to switch to watching stuff with Japanese subtitles, and looking up the words through an extension like yomichan.
I still don't think I have "properly" immersed yet (or at least, as much as I should have), but this summer I'll change that, and the upcoming videos are going to cover it!
@@Livakivi Nice! Never heard of Yomichan, I'll definitely look it up. Thank you! 👍
Do you think that 80 new cards per day is unhandleable? i've started anki 3 days ago using this amount of cards since the beginning.
Linkin park reference was nice 👌
how many cards into the 2k/6 deck should I get into before immersing myself?
6:28 linkin park reference?
Question: how do I use a premade deck? Do you recommend a place to start? I don't have much time to learn but I want to learn japanese anyway
Especially the tae kim book, it has a good foundation to grammar and will make a good beginning to learn Japanese
I'd recommend doing the N5 Tango deck as the sentences are i+1, meaning they only have 1 unknown word. You can do N4 after that, but I'd personally suggest to start sentence mining while using the anime/netflix word frequency list with Yomichan.
Your comprehension will boost a LOT if you learn the common words of what you immerse in, instead of premade decks which very often have bad frequency order (many of them being based on old newspapers).
@@x123Juancho123x thanks dude, I tried learn Japanese but when I see that I as learning the words WRONG I stoped now its time to take it seriously
Fyi the link to your discord is coming as invalid. Can I please get a new Link? Also anyone any thoughts on core 2k/6 deck VS an RRKT. I'm using an RRKT deck but I wander if I should switch to core 2k
The link should work now! It actually was a valid link, but for some reason TH-cam keeps randomly putting a hidden u200b character behind my links which makes them invalid.
Also about RRTK and Core 2k/6k, imo they're different decks. The RRTK is for learning kanji separately and the Core 2k/6k is a vocabulary deck, has more than just singular kanji. You can use both!
Did you ever wish you had cards with audio on the front?
6:30 😎🤘🏻
Wonderful
Is there only 5,999 cards in the anki deck? I just want to make sure because my ocd is hurting me lol.
What should i do after finishing the deck? TIA
sentence mine
@@Livakivi Thank you
the core deck i got has a japanese sentence without the main word up front, along with the english translation and meaning of the word, and the kanji and pronunciation on the back, im worried im doing it wrong >: im only like 150 cards in but if its bad for learning id rather not be spending like....6 months and find out then that ive been doing vocabulary suboptimal.
I'm encountering the same thing to where the *given word* is *する* which means 「do, make」 and the sentence is
"友達「 ともだち」と一緒「いっしょ」宿題「しゅくだい」を*した*。" or in English "I did my homework with a friend."
AND as you can see the word "する" isn't there.
So i did a research as little as possible (since I'm too lazy at the moment ) but there wasn't really a forum that specifically talks about my problem. And if you noticed the した is in bolded which is bolded in my anki too (bolded words in anki means it's the main word). So I came up to the conclusion where する has another form (which could be した) that varies depending on the sentence itself. To put this in perspective it's like *make turns to made* based on the sentence.
well, apparently the した wasn't bolded idk why. youtube didn't do that. but just imagine the した is bolded because I did *bold* that
If I was going to make my own deck, would I do i+1? Or just every word I don't know?
it seems insane to me that you spent over 900 days pursing Japanese and you still act you you only just started. I know fluency can take decades but I'd expect to be able to read most shonen manga at that point.
It really depends on how many hours you put in every day, as well as what you focus on. If I had spent the 900 days reading manga for 2 hours a day, I would probably be much better at reading manga and so on.
Yes
What is an anki deck? I'm learning japanese with a private teacher, should I use anki?
An anki deck is like a collection of flash cards. Anki cards are very customizable design-wise, and some people post their anki decks online for others to use. I’d recommended using anki to retain vocab you learned or learn some new words with a premade deck (ex: 2K vocab deck).
It’s one of the best supplements for my learning so try it.
@@smk7500 thank you, how does one "use" an anki deck to study new words? what is the "game"?
I recommend checking this video (among other videos about using Anki to learn a language): th-cam.com/video/SVEcTd6LEwo/w-d-xo.html
Essentially, Anki is a SRS (spaced-repetition software), that you can download on your PC or phone, and you can make flashcards for anything you want (its really popular in medschool for example). A group of flashcards is called a deck. You can also share the decks with others, or download decks made by others.
ok imma learn japanese now
how ya doin'? ... with your Japanese of course
@@kyleorn4344I'm doing good, ty
@Aoty nani?
jpdb is perfect for beginner tho it only can do vocab card
I just ordered the Routledge frequency dictionary and am planning on using the Core 5k deck based on it. I have trouble getting things to stick in Anki that I haven’t gotten experience with first from a book or other resource.
Judging by your accent, english isn't your native language, but you are learning japanese with middleman language (eng). Didn't that make it harder?
Yeah, I'm Estonian. There are no good resources for learning Japanese in Estonian, so sadly there isn't much of a choice.
Wait, are you Estonian?
yea
@@Livakivi Väga lahe! Üritan ise ka hetkel vaikselt jaapani keelt kõrvalt arendada. Aktsendi järgi küll aru ei oleks saanud, kuus aastat asjatut vene keelt ajas kõrvad kikki, aga eestikeelne Google otsing peaaegu kinnitas kahtlusi su päritolu osas :D
Väga kvaliteetsed videod, jõudu nendega.
@@kapikzx Tänud! Ja õnn kaasa samuti! :)
i knew your accent sounded familiar. Same country as eastory
im a week late xdd
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Don't you think including the core 2k\6k deck in the description for anyone interested is a good idea?
I don't know if I want to link it as I'm not sure if it counts for sharing links of piracy. Technically the deck is made from content that isn't paywalled nor does it require any kind of log in, however I don't want to risk it. Also, those links change often, and the link to an article which has a download link is actually visible in the video at one point.
@@Livakivi bro, just because it's free doesn't mean it's piracy. A simple Google search would yield a result so giving a link would just make it a bit more convenient. If you're still unsure can I post the link that I used here?
@@xXDarQXx That's the point, if you can find the deck just by clicking on the first result by Googling, then there's no point in me taking the risk. But fine, I put the indirect link to the guide I used to get started with the deck.
ayy lmao