So based on his logic we should reject everything that comes from humans because we are imperfect. Does he now reject science which is from the mind of men?
@MR LABADI "all prophets talk to God"? Can you point me to any of the abrahamic religions that say this? Where does it say that all the prophets speak directly to God and that there is never any intermediary?
"What kept men back from Belief when Guidance came to them was nothing but this: they said "Has Allah sent a man like us to be (His) Messenger?" Say "If there were settled on earth Angels walking about in peace and quiet, We should certainly have sent them down from the heavens an Angel as a Messenger." [Quran Chapter 17:94-95]. "No just estimate have they made of Allah: for Allah is He Who is Strong, and able to carry out His Will. 75 Allah chooses Messengers from amongst Angels and from amongst men: for Allah is He Who Hears and Sees (all things)." [Quran Chapter 22: 74-75].
Naeem Aurangzeb Exactly.... a lot of questions are being asked ...the amazing thing is that the answers have been waiting there, in Quran for 1400+ years !! ( nothing have we neglected in the book ). Ch : 6. Verse: 38
Nicely put. This is what I would put. Mick came with a principal that human are imperfect so can't be Messengers of God. Even though Gabriel confirmed 3 times the Quran to be true but that information came through the same messenger. Quran answers that categorically. And I must say for such people even if God comes to earth they won't believe in Him let alone the angels. So don't waste your energy Hamza. Easy for me to write text on phone, but you are doing an amazing job that most of us deprived of by ourselves.
And for Mick just examine the Quran and see if you find faults in it. Because this is the only miracle of Holy Prophet. The miracle that every generation after Mohammad will wittness until the end of time. And that miracle NOT bound by time put a seal to the prophethood by claiming Mohammad being the last prophet.
Definition of Belief an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof. trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something). Atheists don't like when their version of definitions don't work
'Absolute proof' is a red herring, we hardly require it for any of our reasoning in our daily lives. Since there's almost no such thing as 'absolute proof' as almost any evidence can have an element of doubt. This seems a strange thing to say, but take the reliability of the DNA paternity test. There have been cases of it giving the wrong results: discovermagazine.com/2006/apr/paternity-testing-dna So an element of 'belief' or confidence is still required to be able to accept the results. If you think the chances of the result being wrong are very small, you usually apply logic or reasoning to assume that the result must be right. Even though this could of course have been the 1 in a billion or whatever remote possibility that it was wrong. So whatever 'proof' we have, we still need to apply reasoning to justify our 'beliefs' or assumptions. Based on that we then choose whether to 'believe' something or not. That's why God sends 'signs', albeit clear ones, rather than 'absolute proof' and then leaves it up to people to either accept or reject them. The famous atheist, Richard Dawkins was once asked what it would take for him to 'believe' in God. Would it convince him if God himself appeared to him out the sky and spoke to him? He replied "no, I'd simply assume that this was some delusion I was having or a magic trick." Just as the non-believers of Quraish accused Muhammed of performing 'magic': And even if We had sent down to you, [O Muhammad], a written scripture on a page and they touched it with their hands, the disbelievers would say, "This is not but obvious magic". Quran [6:7] "But when the truth came to them from Us, they said, "Why was he not given like that which was given to Moses?" Did they not disbelieve in that which was given to Moses before? They said, "[They are but] two works of magic supporting each other, and indeed we are, in both, disbelievers." Quran [ 28:49] Being able to 'believe' in the truth and to see falsehood is a gift that requires guidance. May God guide us all to the truth, amen.
He cant seem to understand that Muhammad(saw) uttered the words which he heard from Jibreel(as). That's really it. We know hes not perfect and no messenger was. However they were the best of creation to walk earth. Once Islam is studied you will eventually accept this to be true. I studied Islam for 4yrs before accepting, I read everything I could get my hands on. It MUST be a revelation from God.
Be careful about your word usage. Maybe in your dictionary "perfect" means something else, but in mine, what you say is kufr. He _was_ perfect. Even his shortcomings (like turning his back to the blind man) was part of perfection: seeking forgiveness and repenting.
2manyusernamestaken JazakAllahu Khair. Indeed, yes this term perfect is certainly loaded and people will have their gripes about how they use it, it can mean different things to different people. He was not God is essentially what I meant, the only one who is perfect is Allahswt however I did mention that he and the prophets of Allah were the best of creation. Hope I cleared things up. ♥️
@@shahid8545 The Prophets are the most perfect creatures. Of course Allah Cannot be included in this category as He is not created. However, it'd be good to avoid phrasing it the way you did in the future. بارك الله فيك
Zoro Roronoa I understand and I accept this as this is what is best in the end. Thank you for the correction and he was the best of creation and I think perhaps we got tangled in language. JazakAllahu Khair
This man needs to learn about the life of the prophet Muhammad before making any of these silly nonsensical claims. The prophet wasn't just any man, and he was purified before receiving the revelations, so no, he was far from the dirty vessel he is claiming he was. The prophet's message was verified by the angles who were given the job of ensuring everything is correct. Finally if it were not correct, does he really think that God lacks the awareness to know this and that God would continue to choose a vessel that was incapable of expressing a message correctly. Prophets are not random people, they are chosen, and God does indeed have the power to relay a message through anyone or anything.
Mick's argument is debunked in the Quran. The kufar at the time of almost all the prophets claimed, "he is just a man like us" "He wants to have authority over us". .Just look at the beginning of surah Hud or Furqan. To be honest almost all the 5 variables involved to test whether the prophet was really a prophet was already addresed in the Quran itself as well as the hadith/seerah. Just look at surah, Hud, Ibrahim, Qalam. the beginning part of all of them will address this. Verses from Surah Ibrahim: "Has there not reached you the news of those before you - the people of Noah and 'Aad and Thamud and those after them? No one knows them but Allah . Their messengers brought them clear proofs, but they returned their hands to their mouths and said, "Indeed, we disbelieve in that with which you have been sent, and indeed we are, about that to which you invite us, in disquieting doubt."(14:11) "Their messengers said, "Can there be doubt about Allah, Creator of the heavens and earth? He invites you that He may forgive you of your sins, and He delays your death for a specified term." They said, "You are not but men like us who wish to avert us from what our fathers were worshipping. So bring us a clear authority." (14:12) "Their messengers said to them, "We are only men like you, but Allah confers favor upon whom He wills of His servants. It has never been for us to bring you evidence except by permission of Allah . And upon Allah let the believers rely." (14:13). It says it all(especially if you read the arabic).
@@williamramseur9095 "Did We not expand for you, [O Muhammad], your breast? And We removed from you your burden Which had weighed upon your back And raised high for you your repute." Surah Ash-Sharh: quran.com/94 That which makes us imperfect is essentially part of our burden (test) in this life. You may also read this answer that deals with the same topic: www.seekerspath.co.uk/question-bank/prophet-muhammad-ﷺ/q-id0256-how-many-times-was-the-prophet-muhammads-ﷺ-blessed-chest-opened-and-why/ For further information you may seek a mufti or imam at a mosque if you wish to deeply discuss the topic my friend. I am not a scholar but I have shared a few things to help you to the best of my knowledge.
Who is Prophet Muhammad (may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him and peace)? Quite simply he is the man who will stand before God on the day of Requital and beg God to have mercy on us. He will intercede for us. Muslims love him because he is the slave and messenger of God, he is a mercy to humankind and his gentleness, and devotion to humanity is unprecedented. Muhammad is the man beloved by more than 1.8 billion Muslims. He is the man who taught us patience in the face of adversity, and taught us to live in this world but seek eternal life in the hereafter. It was to Prophet Muhammad that God revealed the Quran. Along with this Book of guidance God sent Prophet Muhammad, whose behavior and high moral standards are an example to us all. Prophet Muhammad’s life was the Quran. He understood it, he loved it and he lived his life based on its standards. He taught us to recite the Quran, to live by its principles and to love it. When Muslims declare their faith in One God, they also declare their belief that Muhammad is the slave and final messenger of God. When a Muslim hears Muhammad’s name mentioned they ask God to send blessings upon him. Prophet Muhammad was a man, a human being just like any other man, but it is his love for humanity that sets him apart. Muslims love Prophet Muhammad, but it is his love for us, that makes him a man like no other. He longed for Paradise not only for himself but also for all of us. He wept tears not for himself but for his Ummah, and for humanity. He was often heard to cry *"O God/ALLAH, my Ummah, my Ummah".* Salam!
So, using his logic......when the angel said to the prophet (pbuh) repeat after me the word: "amen", would the word "amen" suddenly become imperfect? How many people remember songs from the radio, word for word? The Quran is made easy to remember, it has a perfect rhythm. May Allah guide this friendly man
jennyparfum sadly he need first to believe in the existence of God than this subject come after that because his logic is wrong its like say don’t trust anyone even teachers in schools because they are human they will not teach you will 🙂🙂
If he had no imperfections then why did he try commit suicide when he wasn't getting revelations from Allah. Also if he was pure how do you explain the satanic verses he received?
@ brother....No I wish he finds it out before that so that he can be saved. After all he is our brother in humanity. Please pray for him Muhsin Bhai
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@@youshaysiddiqui1186 i hope so brother. I don't wish hell for anyone. Allah swt is most merciful and there's plenty of space in heaven for everyone. I just hate people who lie to themselves. I pray that Allah swt gides us all hadiath and gives this brother islam. Ameen.
@ This is The hadith regarding the prophet attempting suicide. Pay attention to the last paragraph. Saheeh Bukhari Volumn 009, Book 087, Hadith Number 111. ----------------------------------------- Narated By 'Aisha : The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good righteous (true) dreams in his sleep. He never had a dream but that it came true like bright day light. He used to go in seclusion (the cave of) Hira where he used to worship(Allah Alone) continuously for many (days) nights. He used to take with him the journey food for that (stay) and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again for another period to stay, till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read." (The Prophet added), "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read," whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, "I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?)." Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, "Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous... up to... that which he knew not." (96.15) Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with terror till he entered upon Khadija and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and then he said, "O Khadija, what is wrong with me?" Then he told her everything that had happened and said, 'I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija said, 'Never! But have the glad tidings, for by Allah, Allah will never disgrace you as you keep good reactions with your Kith and kin, speak the truth, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guest generously and assist the deserving, calamity-afflicted ones." Khadija then accompanied him to (her cousin) Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza bin Qusai. Waraqa was the son of her paternal uncle, i.e., her father's brother, who during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the Arabic writing and used to write of the Gospels in Arabic as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to him, "O my cousin! Listen to the story of your nephew." Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" The Prophet described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, "This is the same Namus (i.e., Gabriel, the Angel who keeps the secrets) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they turn me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said: "Never did a man come with something similar to what you have brought but was treated with hostility. If I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before. (Ibn 'Abbas said regarding the meaning of: 'He it is that Cleaves the daybreak (from the darkness)' (6.96) that Al-Asbah. means the light of the sun during the day and the light of the moon at night).
I like this Guy 😍 he's cool , polite and has a good conduct.. that's what i call "Having Conversation" I've enjoyed it and loved it 😍 Keeping up brother hamza doing good as always 👏 May God Allah guide him .
Poor Mick. I thought I was a bit lost. You have a very good way of breaking things down. He is getting old and is far to programmed to get through, he is looking for it to be wrong instead of trying to find the right. Great debate.
Subhan'ALLAH if this is the best argument he came back with, after months of thinking about it, just to prove to himself that a Creator doesn't exist, WoW he is seriously fighting his inner soul that is telling him there is one...
I like Mick!! The guy may be slightly misinformed, or has incomplete info, but the guy seems sincere and very respectful! He won me over when he said “ﷺ" and proceeded to give his argument and his belief without coming along as a complete nonce or not listening. Well done to Hamza as usual mashala, and well done to Mick for bringing his respectful self into a sea of weirdness at speakers corner.
So apparently to him, God can't bend the laws of the universe to somehow preserve the message thru an imperfect medium. Hamza was right. That guy was dictating what God can and can't do.
This was probably one of the weakest arguments I've ever heard. The Quran was revealed over 23 years in piecemeal, and verified with the angel Jibreel pbuh. If I can tell Hamza "ABCDEFG" And you say "ABCDEFG" His argument is refuted. It's the worst thing I've ever heard.
Hatem Elsharidy Moreover Mick doesn't even know that Muslims believe that Allah taught Adam the language or languages. So by Mick's logic humans can't ever be trusted or they can't communicate properly because a Perfect being gave an imperfect human language and any conversation humans have is through imperfect vessel.
Beautiful and very informative debate by brother Hamza, so much respect. Salute. Mohammad PBUOH was a human being and Prophet of Allah, the same as all previous prophets, Adam, Noah, Abraham, David, Moses, and Jesus PBUOT.
The prophet is not perfect but God is . God made sure that the prophet does not make a mistake that would effect the message in any way , shape , or form . End of the story .
When I read the Quran this morning, I somehow realize the arguments brought forward by the non believers have being mentioned in the Quran. They question the prophets of many things - just to belittle the prophets and the teaching of the prophets - to worship only one God. One of the argument is like in this video - to say the prophets are just human beings. They are with weaknesses and therefore cant be trusted. The more arguments made by the non muslims or non believers strengthened my faith in the truth of AlQuran and Islam. Alhamdullillah..
Micks really excited that he may have found the weakest link, bless him. I get it but the problem is that mick hasn’t even read about the life of the prophet pbuh or has any understanding of what the Quran is .
Hhh I am making my report on my internship on quality control in pharmaceutical lab, and listening to debates till I heard QC here Hhh. Thanks for the upload I always learn from you 😊.
عبد الله السبيعي Yeah, I see that. Feel sorry for him. His eyes are open, yet he cannot see a very basic human ability...as if a curtain is blocking his vision. May Allah have mercy on him and all of us! May Allah save us from arrogance!
I really like Mik and felt happy to see him again, and I ask Allah to guide him to Islam, BTW, the Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him as a boy went through a super natural experience when his heart was opened and washed by the angels
belief /bɪˈliːf/Submit noun 1. an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof. "his belief in extraterrestrial life" 2. trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something). "a belief in democratic politics"
Allah guarantees that the prophet (peace be upon him) is infallible in his delivery of the message, and being the best of mankind but still fully human in his actions makes him the best example for us to follow.
We can refute Mick's claim easily. Yes, Prophet Muhammed SAW was a human with human desires but when it comes to the revelation we have been told by Allah SWT that he does not speak from his own desires (53:3).
I loved him for that part of his speech when he showered blessings on our prophet Muhammad sallal lahu alaihi wasallam. I hope and pray ALLAH guides him for his this act. I would urge him to see the discussion again in an unbiased way, I am sure he will agree with Hamza who refuted his argument very logically with wisdom and grace.
Ok....have u seen a NORMAL human being(not even prophet) that can memorize many things like memorizing quran,memorizing essay,memorizing passage,memorizing each crucial things in anatomy of human???....if yes, then how can u doubt on god's ability to make an illiterate PROPHET(muhammad) memorizing each word from angel gibrael???.....eventhough he is a human being but he is prophet....meaning that his job is to convey divine messages and he cant make mistake in conveying words from angel gibrael!!
Regards to the issue of " dirty vessel " as he puts it, The so called vessel ( Na'audhubillahi min hadha ) was cleaned not only once but twice if I am not mistaken! ! First at the tender age of five (I think) when he was living with his foster mother and wet nurse ( umm-halima al-sa'diyah radhiallahu anha) and second time again before he embarked on the night journey of "al-isra wal-mi'raaj" if I am not mistaken. Allahu ya'lam ( Allah Knows Best )
I really like this man , i don't think he's arrogant he just has his own way of seeing things & it's his own process i really do think he will end up being a muslim after he has his questions answered & after he reflects on them .
He seems to think that Allah inspired prophet Muhammad (saw) because that's what Christians believe about Paul with the Bible. He doesn't understand that the Quran is an unadulterated message from Allah, word for word, letter for letter, no amount of human imperfection would change God's intentions that.
Mick brought the question that was asked by Quraishe " Why would Allah send a human being as a messanger, why did not Allah send a an angel? " Allah responded " Allah (SWT) responded in Quran " ad We made him an angel, We would have made him a man, and confused them when they are already confused" al-An'am 9
A: go to C and make him repeat this ' i have a bag' B then meets C. B: ' i have a bag'. this are the word from A. And he want u to repeat those.. C: 'i have a bag' B confirm the message Few days later, A: go to C again and tell him this ' my bag is red' B meets C B: just like the other day repeat this ' my bag is red C: ' my bag is red' B: good, try repeat all the words A want u to repeat. C: ' i have a bag. My bag is red' B: good describe the situation above then..... do u really think we need such factor to transmit any message...
I respect this man but he ls missing the fact that Allah SWT can choose a man like us (but very special man) to deliver his perfect message . Whe he sent salwats on Nabi he won my heart. May Allah SWT guide him.
I'm just waiting for the new video titled. Mick returns as a Muslim. He goes away and thinks about Islam and comes back asking more questions,the more he goes and thinks the closer he will be to become a Muslim. Inshallah.
Mick, i love you and hope you keep comming back to speakers corner. im on the other side of the earth and can't take advantage of questions and answer type discussions like you can. p.s i think hamza likes you too.
What hamza needs to remember that the prophet Muhammed pbuh prepared his heart by changing him somehow enabling him to receive the message even though he was illiterate.
I wish I had Hamza's job talking about allah and his messenger he's making good deeds very now and then when he's talking thinking about allah masha allah
when god can use prophets to do miracles so u he got enough power to control human directly or indirectly with angels in the end god message will come out has he planned out simple wether he use angels or prophets or come directly down to earth and moses was perfect example tht god has came in form of burning bush flames to order give guidance and order some projects 💙💙💙💙
ولذا أمر الله - تعالى - بأن يرد عليهم بما يزهق هذه الشبهة فقال - سبحانه - ( قُل لَوْ كَانَ فِي الأرض ملائكة يَمْشُونَ مُطْمَئِنِّينَ لَنَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْهِم مِّنَ السمآء مَلَكاً رَّسُولاً ) .
Brother Hamza you need to have one more sitting with him after we well researched knowledge for the query is relatively new here. He needs to come again for a satisfactory discussion.
Mick needs to understand that a certain level of purity is sufficient for humans. The communication protocol needs to match. Say, "If there were upon the earth angels walking securely, We would have sent down to them from the heaven an angel [as a] messenger."
The preservation of Quran is miracle on itself, wherever happened until today we believe it’s word of God and prophet Mohamed salla Allah allaih wassalam was khaira khalki Allah the perfect of human being.
Muhammad (pbuh) could not read or write and Angel came not in first person (possession of body) but third person way only Muhammad (pbuh) could see. And turned Prophet muhammad’s not being able to read and recite into perfect memorisation of Quran and in its true meaning. And confirmed it again and again 3 times before Prophet (pbuh) left this world realm, not only that. Angel never objected about Prophet understanding in anyway other than what Angel revealed in that 22 year and 10 months period. So even human imperfections, God can change and turn its impurity into perfection. This is about mere humans. Prophet pbuh was perfect. Alhamdulillah.
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I respect him for showering blessings on our prophet out of respect for our belief although he disbelieves. May Allah guide him.
Ameen
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آمين
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So based on his logic we should reject everything that comes from humans because we are imperfect. Does he now reject science which is from the mind of men?
So true
Thai_Champ but but but.... lol
Thai_Champ Perfect, Haduken!
MR LABADI
Can you proof that ? Or you’re just one those ignorant ones
@MR LABADI "all prophets talk to God"? Can you point me to any of the abrahamic religions that say this? Where does it say that all the prophets speak directly to God and that there is never any intermediary?
"What kept men back from Belief when Guidance came to them was nothing but this: they said "Has Allah sent a man like us to be (His) Messenger?"
Say "If there were settled on earth Angels walking about in peace and quiet, We should certainly have sent them down from the heavens an Angel as a Messenger."
[Quran Chapter 17:94-95].
"No just estimate have they made of Allah: for Allah is He Who is Strong, and able to carry out His Will.
75 Allah chooses Messengers from amongst Angels and from amongst men: for Allah is He Who Hears and Sees (all things)."
[Quran Chapter 22: 74-75].
Naeem Aurangzeb
Exactly.... a lot of questions are being asked ...the amazing thing is that the answers have been waiting there, in Quran for 1400+ years !!
( nothing have we neglected in the book ). Ch : 6. Verse: 38
""نزل به الروح الأمين""
""The Trustworthy Spirit has brought it (Quran) down""
26 :193
@3:33 "And he does not speak of his own desire. It is only an revelation revealed." [The Noble Quran 53:3-4]
Case closed.
Nicely put. This is what I would put. Mick came with a principal that human are imperfect so can't be Messengers of God. Even though Gabriel confirmed 3 times the Quran to be true but that information came through the same messenger. Quran answers that categorically. And I must say for such people even if God comes to earth they won't believe in Him let alone the angels. So don't waste your energy Hamza. Easy for me to write text on phone, but you are doing an amazing job that most of us deprived of by ourselves.
And for Mick just examine the Quran and see if you find faults in it. Because this is the only miracle of Holy Prophet. The miracle that every generation after Mohammad will wittness until the end of time. And that miracle NOT bound by time put a seal to the prophethood by claiming Mohammad being the last prophet.
I love when he respected our prophet and said : peace be upon him. عليه الصلاة و السلام
he's a good man whatever he beliefs
Definition of Belief
an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.
trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something).
Atheists don't like when their version of definitions don't work
Brother Hazem :) I actually used that same definition in my ethics class
Jesus will provide clear proof. Thanks
'Absolute proof' is a red herring, we hardly require it for any of our reasoning in our daily lives. Since there's almost no such thing as 'absolute proof' as almost any evidence can have an element of doubt. This seems a strange thing to say, but take the reliability of the DNA paternity test. There have been cases of it giving the wrong results:
discovermagazine.com/2006/apr/paternity-testing-dna
So an element of 'belief' or confidence is still required to be able to accept the results. If you think the chances of the result being wrong are very small, you usually apply logic or reasoning to assume that the result must be right. Even though this could of course have been the 1 in a billion or whatever remote possibility that it was wrong.
So whatever 'proof' we have, we still need to apply reasoning to justify our 'beliefs' or assumptions. Based on that we then choose whether to 'believe' something or not. That's why God sends 'signs', albeit clear ones, rather than 'absolute proof' and then leaves it up to people to either accept or reject them.
The famous atheist, Richard Dawkins was once asked what it would take for him to 'believe' in God. Would it convince him if God himself appeared to him out the sky and spoke to him? He replied "no, I'd simply assume that this was some delusion I was having or a magic trick."
Just as the non-believers of Quraish accused Muhammed of performing 'magic':
And even if We had sent down to you, [O Muhammad], a written scripture on a page and they touched it with their hands, the disbelievers would say, "This is not but obvious magic". Quran [6:7]
"But when the truth came to them from Us, they said, "Why was he not given like that which was given to Moses?" Did they not disbelieve in that which was given to Moses before? They said, "[They are but] two works of magic supporting each other, and indeed we are, in both, disbelievers." Quran [ 28:49]
Being able to 'believe' in the truth and to see falsehood is a gift that requires guidance. May God guide us all to the truth, amen.
He cant seem to understand that Muhammad(saw) uttered the words which he heard from Jibreel(as). That's really it. We know hes not perfect and no messenger was. However they were the best of creation to walk earth. Once Islam is studied you will eventually accept this to be true. I studied Islam for 4yrs before accepting, I read everything I could get my hands on. It MUST be a revelation from God.
Be careful about your word usage. Maybe in your dictionary "perfect" means something else, but in mine, what you say is kufr.
He _was_ perfect. Even his shortcomings (like turning his back to the blind man) was part of perfection: seeking forgiveness and repenting.
2manyusernamestaken JazakAllahu Khair. Indeed, yes this term perfect is certainly loaded and people will have their gripes about how they use it, it can mean different things to different people. He was not God is essentially what I meant, the only one who is perfect is Allahswt however I did mention that he and the prophets of Allah were the best of creation. Hope I cleared things up. ♥️
Sicarii
They are PERFECTED by Allah when it comes to revelation and establishing prayer
And normal when it comes to being hungry , sick ......etc
@@shahid8545 The Prophets are the most perfect creatures. Of course Allah Cannot be included in this category as He is not created.
However, it'd be good to avoid phrasing it the way you did in the future. بارك الله فيك
Zoro Roronoa I understand and I accept this as this is what is best in the end. Thank you for the correction and he was the best of creation and I think perhaps we got tangled in language. JazakAllahu Khair
This man needs to learn about the life of the prophet Muhammad before making any of these silly nonsensical claims. The prophet wasn't just any man, and he was purified before receiving the revelations, so no, he was far from the dirty vessel he is claiming he was. The prophet's message was verified by the angles who were given the job of ensuring everything is correct. Finally if it were not correct, does he really think that God lacks the awareness to know this and that God would continue to choose a vessel that was incapable of expressing a message correctly. Prophets are not random people, they are chosen, and God does indeed have the power to relay a message through anyone or anything.
MasterChief
My brother, I believe that there is nothing left to add. Salam!
even today there are million of muslim can remember quran 100% without any mistake
Mick's argument is debunked in the Quran. The kufar at the time of almost all the prophets claimed, "he is just a man like us" "He wants to have authority over us". .Just look at the beginning of surah Hud or Furqan. To be honest almost all the 5 variables involved to test whether the prophet was really a prophet was already addresed in the Quran itself as well as the hadith/seerah. Just look at surah, Hud, Ibrahim, Qalam. the beginning part of all of them will address this.
Verses from Surah Ibrahim:
"Has there not reached you the news of those before you - the people of Noah and 'Aad and Thamud and those after them? No one knows them but Allah . Their messengers brought them clear proofs, but they returned their hands to their mouths and said, "Indeed, we disbelieve in that with which you have been sent, and indeed we are, about that to which you invite us, in disquieting doubt."(14:11)
"Their messengers said, "Can there be doubt about Allah, Creator of the heavens and earth? He invites you that He may forgive you of your sins, and He delays your death for a specified term." They said, "You are not but men like us who wish to avert us from what our fathers were worshipping. So bring us a clear authority."
(14:12)
"Their messengers said to them, "We are only men like you, but Allah confers favor upon whom He wills of His servants. It has never been for us to bring you evidence except by permission of Allah . And upon Allah let the believers rely."
(14:13).
It says it all(especially if you read the arabic).
Where does it say he was purified.
@@williamramseur9095
"Did We not expand for you, [O Muhammad], your breast?
And We removed from you your burden
Which had weighed upon your back
And raised high for you your repute."
Surah Ash-Sharh: quran.com/94
That which makes us imperfect is essentially part of our burden (test) in this life.
You may also read this answer that deals with the same topic: www.seekerspath.co.uk/question-bank/prophet-muhammad-ﷺ/q-id0256-how-many-times-was-the-prophet-muhammads-ﷺ-blessed-chest-opened-and-why/
For further information you may seek a mufti or imam at a mosque if you wish to deeply discuss the topic my friend. I am not a scholar but I have shared a few things to help you to the best of my knowledge.
Who is Prophet Muhammad (may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him and peace)? Quite simply he is the man who will stand before God on the day of Requital and beg God to have mercy on us. He will intercede for us. Muslims love him because he is the slave and messenger of God, he is a mercy to humankind and his gentleness, and devotion to humanity is unprecedented. Muhammad is the man beloved by more than 1.8 billion Muslims. He is the man who taught us patience in the face of adversity, and taught us to live in this world but seek eternal life in the hereafter. It was to Prophet Muhammad that God revealed the Quran. Along with this Book of guidance God sent Prophet Muhammad, whose behavior and high moral standards are an example to us all. Prophet Muhammad’s life was the Quran. He understood it, he loved it and he lived his life based on its standards. He taught us to recite the Quran, to live by its principles and to love it. When Muslims declare their faith in One God, they also declare their belief that Muhammad is the slave and final messenger of God.
When a Muslim hears Muhammad’s name mentioned they ask God to send blessings upon him. Prophet Muhammad was a man, a human being just like any other man, but it is his love for humanity that sets him apart. Muslims love Prophet Muhammad, but it is his love for us, that makes him a man like no other. He longed for Paradise not only for himself but also for all of us. He wept tears not for himself but for his Ummah, and for humanity. He was often heard to cry *"O God/ALLAH, my Ummah, my Ummah".* Salam!
Brought tears to my eyes, Jazaak Allahu Khair.
Subhan ALLAH. Very well said. I love you brother. May Allah bless you
1 dislike ? Yep one of jay smith followers is in the building
So, using his logic......when the angel said to the prophet (pbuh) repeat after me the word: "amen", would the word "amen" suddenly become imperfect? How many people remember songs from the radio, word for word? The Quran is made easy to remember, it has a perfect rhythm. May Allah guide this friendly man
jennyparfum sadly he need first to believe in the existence of God than this subject come after that because his logic is wrong its like say don’t trust anyone even teachers in schools because they are human they will not teach you will 🙂🙂
Grateful to be a believer and make dua for Mick to find his way. AMIN.
I see this man a Muslim soon he's sincere
In shaa Allah
In shaa Allah
Say In' Shaa' Allah
In sha Allah. May Allah guide him. Ameen.
he is not all he is doing is denial bro !
Allah swt got the angels to wash Muhammad s.a.w heart. So all the imperfections were removed. Hamaz should mention this.
If he had no imperfections then why did he try commit suicide when he wasn't getting revelations from Allah. Also if he was pure how do you explain the satanic verses he received?
@@UzziDaMan haahahah where did you get this from?
@ brother....No I wish he finds it out before that so that he can be saved. After all he is our brother in humanity. Please pray for him Muhsin Bhai
@@youshaysiddiqui1186 i hope so brother. I don't wish hell for anyone. Allah swt is most merciful and there's plenty of space in heaven for everyone. I just hate people who lie to themselves. I pray that Allah swt gides us all hadiath and gives this brother islam. Ameen.
@ This is The hadith regarding the prophet attempting suicide. Pay attention to the last paragraph.
Saheeh Bukhari
Volumn 009, Book 087, Hadith Number 111.
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Narated By 'Aisha : The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good righteous (true) dreams in his sleep. He never had a dream but that it came true like bright day light. He used to go in seclusion (the cave of) Hira where he used to worship(Allah Alone) continuously for many (days) nights. He used to take with him the journey food for that (stay) and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again for another period to stay, till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read." (The Prophet added), "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read," whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, "I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?)." Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, "Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous... up to... that which he knew not." (96.15)
Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with terror till he entered upon Khadija and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and then he said, "O Khadija, what is wrong with me?" Then he told her everything that had happened and said, 'I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija said, 'Never! But have the glad tidings, for by Allah, Allah will never disgrace you as you keep good reactions with your Kith and kin, speak the truth, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guest generously and assist the deserving, calamity-afflicted ones." Khadija then accompanied him to (her cousin) Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza bin Qusai. Waraqa was the son of her paternal uncle, i.e., her father's brother, who during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the Arabic writing and used to write of the Gospels in Arabic as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to him, "O my cousin! Listen to the story of your nephew." Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" The Prophet described whatever he had seen.
Waraqa said, "This is the same Namus (i.e., Gabriel, the Angel who keeps the secrets) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they turn me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said: "Never did a man come with something similar to what you have brought but was treated with hostility. If I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Apostle in truth" whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down and would return home. And whenever the period of the coming of the inspiration used to become long, he would do as before, but when he used to reach the top of a mountain, Gabriel would appear before him and say to him what he had said before. (Ibn 'Abbas said regarding the meaning of: 'He it is that Cleaves the daybreak (from the darkness)' (6.96) that Al-Asbah. means the light of the sun during the day and the light of the moon at night).
Mick has manners to talk.
A very fine conversing man.
His thoughts and questions are authentic.
I hope this talk was ended into nicest conclusion.
I like this Guy 😍 he's cool , polite and has a good conduct.. that's what i call "Having Conversation" I've enjoyed it and loved it 😍
Keeping up brother hamza doing good as always 👏
May God Allah guide him .
Poor Mick. I thought I was a bit lost. You have a very good way of breaking things down. He is getting old and is far to programmed to get through, he is looking for it to be wrong instead of trying to find the right. Great debate.
Subhan'ALLAH if this is the best argument he came back with, after months of thinking about it, just to prove to himself that a Creator doesn't exist, WoW he is seriously fighting his inner soul that is telling him there is one...
I like Mick!! The guy may be slightly misinformed, or has incomplete info, but the guy seems sincere and very respectful!
He won me over when he said “ﷺ" and proceeded to give his argument and his belief without coming along as a complete nonce or not listening.
Well done to Hamza as usual mashala, and well done to Mick for bringing his respectful self into a sea of weirdness at speakers corner.
So apparently to him, God can't bend the laws of the universe to somehow preserve the message thru an imperfect medium.
Hamza was right. That guy was dictating what God can and can't do.
Because (to him) the image of what God is and does is based on the Bible and he thinks Muslims have the same idea of God as he does.
You also think god can't bend the laws of his universe.because if he can he can also come here as a man. So you know exactly what I'm saying.
This was probably one of the weakest arguments I've ever heard.
The Quran was revealed over 23 years in piecemeal, and verified with the angel Jibreel pbuh.
If I can tell Hamza "ABCDEFG"
And you say "ABCDEFG"
His argument is refuted. It's the worst thing I've ever heard.
👍☝️
Hatem Elsharidy
Moreover Mick doesn't even know that Muslims believe that Allah taught Adam the language or languages.
So by Mick's logic humans can't ever be trusted or they can't communicate properly because a Perfect being gave an imperfect human language and any conversation humans have is through imperfect vessel.
Love you brother Hamza great man
Beautiful and very informative debate by brother Hamza, so much respect. Salute.
Mohammad PBUOH was a human being and Prophet of Allah, the same as all previous prophets, Adam, Noah, Abraham, David, Moses, and Jesus PBUOT.
I believe, based on the evidence of this video, that Mick is a good man and I pray that Allah SWT guides him and opens his heart to the truth.
Well done bro Hamzah..I watch bit by bit what you said... May Allah grant you Jannah.. keep it up...
lovely video Hamza keep them coming
The prophet is not perfect but God is . God made sure that the prophet does not make a mistake that would effect the message in any way , shape , or form . End of the story .
When I read the Quran this morning, I somehow realize the arguments brought forward by the non believers have being mentioned in the Quran. They question the prophets of many things - just to belittle the prophets and the teaching of the prophets - to worship only one God. One of the argument is like in this video - to say the prophets are just human beings. They are with weaknesses and therefore cant be trusted. The more arguments made by the non muslims or non believers strengthened my faith in the truth of AlQuran and Islam. Alhamdullillah..
Barakullaah fee kum for this clip
Hahaha 😂😂😂 When I heard br Hamzah use the argument for belief, I was just thinking it's game over for this gentleman!
ALLAH IS THE GREATEST
Micks really excited that he may have found the weakest link, bless him. I get it but the problem is that mick hasn’t even read about the life of the prophet pbuh or has any understanding of what the Quran is .
Hhh I am making my report on my internship on quality control in pharmaceutical lab, and listening to debates till I heard QC here Hhh.
Thanks for the upload I always learn from you 😊.
Good dawah bro hamza you've make a good point dealing with a confused men, may Allah reward you.
To find out if the the pipe transfered the water clean, you can do a quality control on water even today after 14 hundred years.
Mashallah HAMZA MAY ALLAH REWARD YOU
So, Mick probably does not believe anybody can ever memorise a poem and recite it without adding his own words! Love Mick! :-D
Mick claims that God can not send messengers because all humans are not qualified to convey the message
عبد الله السبيعي Yeah, I see that. Feel sorry for him. His eyes are open, yet he cannot see a very basic human ability...as if a curtain is blocking his vision. May Allah have mercy on him and all of us! May Allah save us from arrogance!
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They had firstly to define the word perfection , and perfection compared to whom ? Allah or humans .
May Allah swt guide Mick he said SAW in respect Ameen
Wow.....Great Hamza
I really like Mik and felt happy to see him again, and I ask Allah to guide him to Islam,
BTW, the Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him as a boy went through a super natural experience when his heart was opened and washed by the angels
Hamza channel is growing faster than Ali Dawah. Alhamdulilah
belief
/bɪˈliːf/Submit
noun
1. an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.
"his belief in extraterrestrial life"
2. trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something).
"a belief in democratic politics"
You never fail to make us smile, brother. Keep up the good work, mashallah
(15:9) As regards this Admonition, it is We Who have sent it down, and We Ourself will preserve it.
For your constant defence against attack on Nabi SAW May Allah SWT grant you brothers position with Muhammed SAW in Jannah Ameen
Allah guarantees that the prophet (peace be upon him) is infallible in his delivery of the message, and being the best of mankind but still fully human in his actions makes him the best example for us to follow.
We can refute Mick's claim easily. Yes, Prophet Muhammed SAW was a human with human desires but when it comes to the revelation we have been told by Allah SWT that he does not speak from his own desires (53:3).
He will come back with 6th variable!
I loved him for that part of his speech when he showered blessings on our prophet Muhammad sallal lahu alaihi wasallam. I hope and pray ALLAH guides him for his this act. I would urge him to see the discussion again in an unbiased way, I am sure he will agree with Hamza who refuted his argument very logically with wisdom and grace.
lol, when he first addressed prophet mohamed and said peace be upon him in arabic i lol'd, it was funny but also a nice gesture.
Also consider verse 75:16-18, where Allah reassured prophet (saw) that he would ensure the Prophet was able to correctly learn His revelation
Ok....have u seen a NORMAL human being(not even prophet) that can memorize many things like memorizing quran,memorizing essay,memorizing passage,memorizing each crucial things in anatomy of human???....if yes, then how can u doubt on god's ability to make an illiterate PROPHET(muhammad) memorizing each word from angel gibrael???.....eventhough he is a human being but he is prophet....meaning that his job is to convey divine messages and he cant make mistake in conveying words from angel gibrael!!
سُبْحان اللَّهِ وَبِحَمْدِهِ، سُبحانَ اللَّه العظيمِ
Masha Allah. May Allah bless mick with iman
Nice respectful discussion.
Regards to the issue of
" dirty vessel " as he puts it,
The so called vessel ( Na'audhubillahi min hadha ) was cleaned not only once but twice if I am not mistaken! !
First at the tender age of five (I think) when he was living with his foster mother and wet nurse ( umm-halima al-sa'diyah radhiallahu anha) and second time again before he embarked on the night journey of
"al-isra wal-mi'raaj" if I am not mistaken.
Allahu ya'lam ( Allah Knows Best )
I really like this man , i don't think he's arrogant he just has his own way of seeing things & it's his own process
i really do think he will end up being a muslim after he has his questions answered & after he reflects on them .
Even normal Muslim remember word of GOD word to word let alone the prophet.
Hamza, I think it was verified twice with Jibreel, before he died, not three but maybe I'm mistaken. JazakAllah for your efforts, bro.
Yes it was verified twice!
Aslaamualaukhum
Where was it verified?? Please tell me I'd like to know ☺☺
Barak allah bikum
God belss you
Mike, God only selected men to spread his revelation whom the Almighty trusted and cleansed of sin
How could an omnipotent being not have the ability to transmit His exact message?
He seems to think that Allah inspired prophet Muhammad (saw) because that's what Christians believe about Paul with the Bible. He doesn't understand that the Quran is an unadulterated message from Allah, word for word, letter for letter, no amount of human imperfection would change God's intentions that.
Diamond even if soiled when washed would come out exactly same shining diamond.
Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) use to recite to Angel Gabriel once ever year, but three times the year he died. So it was confirmed yearly.
best videos are brother Hamza videos.
I think somebody needs to explain to him how revelation worked.
May Allah guide him and us all!
Mick brought the question that was asked by Quraishe " Why would Allah send a human being as a messanger, why did not Allah send a an angel? " Allah responded " Allah (SWT) responded in Quran " ad We made him an angel, We would have made him a man, and confused them when they are already confused" al-An'am 9
A: go to C and make him repeat this ' i have a bag'
B then meets C.
B: ' i have a bag'. this are the word from A. And he want u to repeat those..
C: 'i have a bag'
B confirm the message
Few days later,
A: go to C again and tell him this ' my bag is red'
B meets C
B: just like the other day repeat this ' my bag is red
C: ' my bag is red'
B: good, try repeat all the words A want u to repeat.
C: ' i have a bag. My bag is red'
B: good
describe the situation above then..... do u really think we need such factor to transmit any message...
Prophet Mohammad (saw) was born perfect.
If one has been brainwashed one will never accept any reason no matter how logical one's argument is
This imperfect salesman find it impossile selling a perfect car.
Also great point by hamza on belief.
I respect this man but he ls missing the fact that Allah SWT can choose a man like us (but very special man) to deliver his perfect message .
Whe he sent salwats on Nabi he won my heart. May Allah SWT guide him.
Mr. Imperfect
MaSha Allah
95. Say: If there were in the earth angels walking secure, We had sent down for them from heaven an angel as messenger.
Alhamdulillah
I'm just waiting for the new video titled. Mick returns as a Muslim. He goes away and thinks about Islam and comes back asking more questions,the more he goes and thinks the closer he will be to become a Muslim. Inshallah.
Inshallah
Mick, i love you and hope you keep comming back to speakers corner. im on the other side of the earth and can't take advantage of questions and answer type discussions like you can. p.s i think hamza likes you too.
I like the new thumbnails 👌
EF Dawah
What hamza needs to remember that the prophet Muhammed pbuh prepared his heart by changing him somehow enabling him to receive the message even though he was illiterate.
God can save His revelation through any imperfect being. If you don't believe in God, how can you question about His attributes?
What this brother Misses is If Allah god wants to Give the perfect message through The Prophet He can
I wish I had Hamza's job talking about allah and his messenger he's making good deeds very now and then when he's talking thinking about allah masha allah
So according to this man God can't make a human perfect? God can do everything he wishes, but you don't believe in him so why you rattling?
God can't do anything he wishes.if god could , then he could come as a man.if he can't come as a man, then he can't do anything.
when god can use prophets to do miracles
so u he got enough power to control human directly or indirectly with angels
in the end
god message will come out has he planned out simple
wether he use angels or prophets or come directly down to earth
and moses was perfect example
tht god has came in form of burning bush flames to order give guidance and order some projects 💙💙💙💙
At least he had manners.
It is because he was a HUMAN that he was able to give the massage to the other humans.
ولذا أمر الله - تعالى - بأن يرد عليهم بما يزهق هذه الشبهة فقال - سبحانه - ( قُل لَوْ كَانَ فِي الأرض ملائكة يَمْشُونَ مُطْمَئِنِّينَ لَنَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْهِم مِّنَ السمآء مَلَكاً رَّسُولاً ) .
Nabi Muhammad s.a.w. is an ordinary Human being. He was the chosen 1.
Also it was revealed in bits and according to the context in 23 years.
Brother Hamza you need to have one more sitting with him after we well researched knowledge for the query is relatively new here. He needs to come again for a satisfactory discussion.
he is hiding his disbelief !
Mick needs to understand that a certain level of purity is sufficient for humans. The communication protocol needs to match. Say, "If there were upon the earth angels walking securely, We would have sent down to them from the heaven an angel [as a] messenger."
Great conversation and jovial too
The preservation of Quran is miracle on itself, wherever happened until today we believe it’s word of God and prophet Mohamed salla Allah allaih wassalam was khaira khalki Allah the perfect of human being.
Muhammad (pbuh) could not read or write and Angel came not in first person (possession of body) but third person way only Muhammad (pbuh) could see. And turned Prophet muhammad’s not being able to read and recite into perfect memorisation of Quran and in its true meaning. And confirmed it again and again 3 times before Prophet (pbuh) left this world realm, not only that. Angel never objected about Prophet understanding in anyway other than what Angel revealed in that 22 year and 10 months period.
So even human imperfections, God can change and turn its impurity into perfection. This is about mere humans. Prophet pbuh was perfect. Alhamdulillah.
Why cant all discussions at Speakers corner be respectful and polite like this well done to both mick & hamza
ALLAH IS MIGHTY