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- Win your Ultimate Tech Bundle by entering Fasthosts’ Techie Test here: www.fasthosts.... (competition is now closed).... There was once a piece of code, buried deep within Windows, designed to detect competitor operating systems, and upon finding them, CRASH... or at least, make the user feel like something was seriously wrong. This was Microsoft's attempt to truly kill Digital Research's DR-DOS, and although it worked, it wasn't long until the true nature of Microsoft's practices was uncovered.
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I realise I've been wearing the same T-Shirt for the past three videos. I call it efficiency.
Just make sure you wash it every once and a while.
@@MontieMongoose That's what the doctor said.
@@Nostalgianerd which doctor? Dr. DOS?
efficiency in theory is defined as "The work done by the machine ➗ The work done on the machine" in other words it is the Output/Input
_laundry day wants to know your location_
I remember when Apple criticised Microsoft for being a very big and very rich company which locked its users in, forcing them to work in a certain way.
aaaah yes, how the turns have tabled
You seem to not remember well. What everybody criticized Microsoft for was being a very big and very rich company which had made breaking the law its business strategy.
Apple has openly "locked its users in and forced them to work in a certain way" since the 1984 Mac. How the rest of the world still got scammed into using DOS-with-pictures is a mystery.
The Pot calling the Kettle Black
@@IlBiggo You clearly haven't watched many repair shop videos. Skilled technicians find dirty designed to fail tricks or bad board planning Apple will refuse to admit to all the time. One generation of macbook pros this past decade had a high power rail for the screen backlight very, very close to a data rail running into the cpu, or graphics switch chip if a discrete gpu was also in the system. As a consequence a short would instantly ruin your laptop. Naturally a very small tin wisker could easily do this at any time after the end of warranty service. Apple also constantly attacks repair shops and refuses to make it easy to recycle old systems. They aggressively pressure recycling companies to just shred perfectly good Apple machines instead of cleaning them up and, say, donating them to local schools.
@@010203109 I watch my share of Rossman’s, thank you very much. Not that this has anything to do with Microsoft breaking the law.
But being myself someone who fixes stuff, I can assure you that Apple is just *one* of the many companies opposing home repairs. Their portable computers are actually much better designed than, say, Samsung’s.
Apple’s desktops open with a lever and are probably the most gorgeously laid out and easy to service that I’ve ever seen.
So in the meme world Apple has gone from “not selling components to third-party” to “attacking repair shops”. Let me know when a) any other manufacturer starts giving away schematics and selling spare parts or b) Apple starts asking for your first-born in exchange for the Impossible Pentalobe Screwdriver 😀
"your code should be perfect or you are in trouble"
ah yes a friendly corporate culture where every employee feels like a family
Here it's justified. If they put code that prevented the installer from finishing, and it incorrectly thought that MS-DOS was DR-DOS, they would be preventing their own customers from installing software. It would make sense that the error they gave wasn't fatal, so it wouldn't prevent installation.
Because it could mean disaster if it's not lol. Sometimes there isn't room for mistakes.
I'm sorry code, I have to do EVERYTHING to you and see how you behave. Yes we have lube but we have to do this without to be sure
a family, but it's dysfunctional
mafia family
I'd almost forgotten why I thought Microsoft was evil. Thank you for the reminder.
Never ever forget, please.
All companies are
Make sure your money never heads off to Microsoft.
Yes because the insane telemetry in windows 8, 8.1, 10 etc was not reminder enough
Go free, go Linux.
At the time of DR-DOS, everyone I knew pronounced it "Doctor DOS". Interesting to find out that was wrong after all this time.
LOL, I always knew it was D-R Dos, but everytime I see it, for that first second I think doctor...
I too called it Doctor DOS
Well, you are both wrong, I’m afraid. :)
It was never “Doctor Company”. It was Digital Research. They were big, big back in the day.
That’s Mizz Dos! Her martial status does not define her identity!
I thought it was 'doctor' before I heard someone say 'd-r'.
Curious, how people assumed the issue was in DR Dos, not *beta* Windows.
probably because it appeared before windows actually launched on their machine, and after launch just worked perfectly fine. This probably made it look like an error happening before windows even launches.
Because it didn’t happen to people running MS DOS
Wait, I'm supposed to blame the still-in-development application software for not working on my otherwise completely functional and stable system? That would be...logical.
@@halfplushalfsqrt5 It was a "simpler" time in some ways.
@@halfplushalfsqrt5 not everyone knew as much about computers or software as people do now
This reminds me of the deliberate CSS bug that Microsoft planted on their web sites that would cause web sites to shift off-screen if a rival browser was detected. This was when CSS layouts just became a thing. So, browsers that supported CSS properly would end up not properly displaying Microsoft's web pages (or rather: properly displaying it, but in the way that Microsoft wanted, i.e. off-screen).
What was particularly nasty about this bug in IE was it forced webdesigners to adopt this bug or else their webpage wouldnt display properly in IE and they would get the blame for it. And since IE shipped with windows and couldnt be easily uninstalled all windows users had IE so it was hard to ignore IE.
If things were fair, web designers would have kept coding correctly and ie would have suffered for the bug until microsoft fixed it but instead microsoft turned webdesigners into helping them screw over netscape etc.
I recall all these hacks on my first job doing a website for a research group.
I bet even today's current rendering engines should have that bug worked around (quirks) as of today.
“This new DOS has new and innovative features that could threaten our position in the market. We need to bring our products to feature-parity, and then add something of value to sweeten the deal.”
“Hm, sounds like a lot of work. Is there another way?”
“We could add some obfuscated code to check for arbitrary differences in implementation, and then cripple our products when such differences are detected.”
“The second one.”
simple and yet effective. I can respect that and almost feel envious about. funny how peo consumer they are now which is good
@@thedarkflameknight7942 the old way of creating a monopoly, nowadays you just buy the other company, government doesn't seem to care. facebook buys everything, apple too, google too, just buy your adversaries, no anti-trust in ages since the last dotcom bubble.
I'm waiting for the day Google will be split in two.
So nice of you to think they considered the first option first. Or at all...
it's shit like this that cripples any faith I have in a meritocracy, or the notion that competition only creates better products. why put in the hard work making a better product, when you can just trip up the competition and look like the least shit option?
@@monad_tcp Don't forget AT&T slowly absorbing the Bells back into its fold. I wouldn't be surprised if Standard Oil is re-consolidating as well.
It's a good thing we are in the future and absolutely none of these shenanigans go on between corporations these days (SMILEY FACE)
Heh.
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
Jeffery Amherst i mean almost entirely
@@therealvbw pov you are Linux
Yuuup, no shenanigans at alllll... *cough* apple and epic games *cough*
Hey who said that!
Hot take: Private settlements to antitrust cases, usually end up throwing the public interest under the bus.
Some Day "public interest" is bigger than any bus and then it's Time to pay back..
Microsoft has sent you a Private Message, @@jannejohansson3383. lol
Janne Johansson
Well, it’s time for the public to toss private interests under the bus.
a settlement to an antitrust case does nothing about the supposed grievance. if you think a company is acting monopolistic, just agreeing for them to pay you a lump of cash, when you are specifically saying they are acting in an anticompetitive way, does nothing to address the concern.
Which is why the Bell System was broken up, but Microsoft continued unhindered.
yeah, if they didn't settle, and just rode it out it'd been filed in the judicial system, but now no Judge was involved beyond mediation,
Imagine having even the most basic level of moral and ethical standards as an engineer at a company, and having to deal with executives who are complete sociopaths. It's kind of incredible just how evil they were. And they weren't the only ones.
I do love it when I receive a work E-mail saying "we should crash the computer" as a guy who worked at Microsoft for a bit, I received those emails twice a day.
Damn, I just can’t believe they were so obvious with it
Microsoft doing sneaky underhanded tactics? Say it isn't so!!!! lol
One of my friends is a XBox fanboy and he hates it when I talk trash about MS.
I think its in everyones best interest to never be a brand loyalist to any corporation. They don't care.
True! Brand loyalty is bullshit.
Or to be a fanboy of anything actually. Don't have heroes. They always disappoint.
No but you can still prefer one product over another
@@kaldo_kaldo I never mentioned anything against that. People can still like a product without sucking corporate cock. For example my DIY PC has a AMD processor, but it doesn't mean I love AMD. It was cheaper than intel and does the job.
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Whenever I see ASCII art, even in an installer. I get a warm fuzzy feeling
ASCII art is cute.
That's why I love the neofetch command lin Linux cause it makes a ASCII art of your Linux distro
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@@jleuthardt what
@@user-dk9jq6cj7q it says “ASCII” but it looks weird on mobild
remember kids: you can do any crime, as long as you're rich enough!
or as long as you get rich enough from the crime to settle when its discovered.
Remember kids: you can do any crime, as long nobody will find out!
Unless it's arson :>
Some rich people view some crimes as just a fee to do something. Like illegal parking.
Who do you think you are, Sam O'nella academy?
You dare stand where he stood?
Great video, although you did botch the story a bit at the end. Let me clarify:
Caldera properly never sued Microsoft, the story is a lot more interesting than that!
Caldera had been funded specifically for Linux, and that's what they had in mind, and what they did from the beginning, long before they had anything to do with DOS. The lawsuit against Microsoft wasn't started by Caldera, it was started by Novell, they merely inherited it when they bought DR-DOS. Then the company split up into three Calderas, *before* the lawsuit got anywhere. One, the *actual* Caldera we all remember did some magnificent work with Linux distros, another took over the DOS division, and yet another was left with just one business: The lawsuit.
Then comes the most interesting part of the story. Microsoft saw how effective that lawsuit had been against them, and they decided to use them. Essentially, Microsoft took over Caldera. Not *actual* Caldera, but the Caldera that was behind the lawsuit. Microsoft was now worried more about Linux than about competing DOS products (this was at the time of the Halloween Documents).
So they talked to Caldera, and found a way to funnel money into them without actually buying them (so they could remain separate, and pretend they weren't in control). So, Caldera changed their name, to the SCO Group. Yes, *that* SCO Group. With Darl McBride now as CEO, The SCO Group was officially a patent troll.
So Microsoft used the company that had just successfully sued them as a shell to sue everyone, including IBM, and basically the entire Linux community. The scam was: SCO now owns Linux (because of some old Unix code they had inherited from Novell), if you want to use Linux you need to pay us a 600 dollar license.
Of course, it was all just FUD, but it was somewhat successful, and remains one of the dirtiest things Microsoft ever did, and that's saying a lot, since they've done a lot of it.
RoThotic me too
That's an amazing story. You should collect the data and write an article, it is like 'The Usual Suspects' of the tech industry lol. It's so evil and so clever I'm not even mad, it's just wild. These days ironically I think Apple is even worse than Microsoft in terms of walling users etc, not just in OS but entire ecosystems at mercy of single corporate hegemony. Microsoft definitely missed the boat on this, so Windows Phone, Win8 store/app attempts were too late to compete and ended up just aggravating consumers. I think with Win10 they're trying to boil the frog so to speak by slowly and less aggressively moving things to the Windows store. What they'd love to do is outright kill Win32 standard code support and all non Microsoft app/store capabilities, but that would be too aggressive to be successful, so they dialed things down from Win8 to 10 in how hard they pushed that, and are now trying to use things that worked in the old days by swallowing up competition to achieve these ends. Buying the huge swath of the gaming industry and moving to Gamepass/'Xbox' windows app store, they're moving the chess pieces to eventually try for a complete domination of an industry sector or two. At least linux is so good and easy now that if you just want to run regular PC web/doc/email/media use, something like Ubuntu is easy enough for pretty much anyone to get by with.
@@thorrollosson Good analysis. I agree that Apple now is far worse than Microsoft was in the 90s. Regarding Linux, that has kind of already happened. I've been running Linux exclusively since the late 90s, and it used to be only on a relatively small percentage of servers and enthusiast computers. Now? Everybody has Linux on their Android phone. On their smart watch. On their router. On pretty much every server on earth. On SpaceX rockets. Sure, Linux on the Desktop didn't happen, but the Desktop itself is dying. If you look at PC gaming, it is going to be all-Linux within 10 years. Steam is pushing hard for that to happen, and AMD is helping a lot with quality drivers. The game devs also sea de appeal. Most apps have already moved onto the web, so people that just used their computers for text processing and spreadsheets don't really care about what OS they use as long as it can access Google Drive. The only thing tying some people to Windows are specialized applications, such as CAD, Photoshop, etc, and those are the most obvious candidates to be ported. Those people need performance, and Windows doesn't really handle a threadripper very gracefully.
@@user-sn8oe5sb1b
It's all going to be linux in 10 years? Lol. That's a good one.
@@harkovdent5707 Oi. We can dream. Windows Comes with so much bloatware and background telemetry it's not even funny anymore, but because I play direct x games and proton doesn't properly support all of them, I have to use windows. Hopefully nvidia pulls their head out of their ass and cooperates with the Linux kernel in the future.
"The only unencrypted word was AARD, something he used to mark his projects, almost like a serial killer with blood"
Ah yes, I too, use blood to sign my test in school
I did when they pissed me off lol
Hold the fuck up.
Where tf have you been going to school?
@@timurf6392 school? my fingers are usually bleeding in class
R/holup
You're an only child, aren't you?
Up next: a Windows 10 installation/update breaks dualbooted Linux
Windows automatically overwrites the linux bootloader when it updates
Windows 8 installs happily and doesn't even touch the bootloader.
It always has been
@@petermarshall1634 Really? Is this still a problem with Win10? I was thinking of a dual boot Win10/Kubuntu setup on my next machine, but if Windows still plays this dirty, I might just banish it to a virtual machine, if I ever still need to use it... (though it's not ideal for gaming).
@@petermarshall1634 lel i use a different bootloader partition for windows (shows up as windows boot manager on GRUB)
"...to try and purchase Novell, but to no avail." I see what you did there!
This was in a time when I wasn't paying anything for dos or Windows. It was just shared between friends. Watching this, I have no regrets for my business model at that time.
So do you pay for Windows now?
You do know that you pay Microsoft with your personal data, do you?
As we pay google...
@@jpt3640 That is true. Microsoft does it twice. I bought windows 10 after building a new pc, and I pay with my data.
Sweet goodness! A Non-fatal Error Occurred!
My disappointment that this isn't pronounced "Doctor DOS" knows no bounds.
1+
That's what we called it back then anyways
He could of got of got a +1 nolstagia boost...
No one ever called it D R DOS in my day. It was always Dr DOS
@@sergeant5848 Back in the day, even I knew enough about it to say D-R DOS. Digital Research created the awesome CP/M operating system for pre-IBM PCs, they also created versions for x86 PCs, then moved on to make it MS-DOS compatible. DR returning to the PC OS game was a big thing.
THIS is the reason why I use Linux whenever I can... Just don't like how MS/Windows chooses to do a ton of crap in background whether you ask it to or not... :-P
This is not true anymore. W10 is light-weight and supports more hardware.
That was not what I meant at all...
Is more how they can force an "upgrade" on you without first asking you whether you'd like the "upgrade" or not... :-P
@@robl4836 light weight? i wouldnt really call using 2 gigs of ram while doing nothing light weight.
@@Kyle-un3ei You'd be surprised how much 'nothing' there is. For example. I'd be annoyed if my computer had say 8GB memory and only 2GB was being used.
@@robl4836 I'd be annoyed if I expected to have 8 gigs to use only to see my system chugging 2-4 gigs of RAM with no windows open
Contemporary example of MS's unscrupulous tactics: Firing almost all update & beta testers (approx 9000) and just hastily shipping out updates using end-users as testers. Saving bulk $$ in the process while creating headaches for anyone running Win 10. Source: Barnacles YT channel (Ex MS employee)
Windows 10 literally is an prealpha in eternal early access
It would be unscrupulous if they didn't build another process to replace those beta testers, which they did. It would be unscrupulous if they weren't working to improve on that process (I don't know if they are, and I also don't know if they aren't). But one thing this results in is that problems get fixed faster and bugs don't exist for as long. And when done correctly, they also impact fewer people. What the cost is to the end user is dependent entirely upon whether or not those end users are using well known best practices or whether they're flying by the seat of their pants with no safety harnesses.
The worst part about this approach is that, due to the overall greater impact to enterprises when bugs hit their networks, ordinary consumers are the ones who wind up doing the testing. And those consumers are the ones least likely to know or understand, or even be able to afford to follow those well known best practices. The unscrupulous part is that the testing now rests on the shoulders of those in the least privileged position to be able to shoulder that burden, all to benefit others who are in a far better position to be able to do so. That actually is pretty repugnant.
Yes, they call it "windows/M$ insider program": A smart way to have people working for big multinational corporations for free. With the advent of fast internet, millions of people, called "enthusiasts" are eager enough to become guinea-pigs for them. More and more companies are implementing this method in their work strategies.
I decided to install a feature upgrade at least 3 month after it becomes available for my home machine. As for my work: at least 6 months if not a year.
@@NBDY-lp9vp not just those on the the insider program, ALL Windows 10 users. Every Windows error and crash is sent back to MS as you can't turn off telemetry and bug reporting fully without some pretty low level "modifications" or use an app like O&O Shut Up 10. Obviously MS get bombarded with errors so they have to get a significant hit of one specific error for them to address it. If you're using some obscure old legacy program or hardware then you're probably fresh out of luck.
Why pay for R&D when you can get paid by testers to do R&D for you?
Wow what a memory lane that was. I remember driving all over Phoenix AZ to get a copy of DRDOS in 1990 or so to bring back to Canada with me because of its great memory management stuff. Poor old Gary Kildall was the ultimate loser in this. I found a somewhat ragged biography of his online a few years ago , such a sad ending to a promising individual.
If you check MP/M and its multi tasking/multi user serving capabilities you will be surprised. Of course, Xenix (UNIX) from MS existed but it was a very high end workstation OS requiring very good hardware.
Incredible how none of those criminals were jailed.
Law don’t get updated unless shit hits the fan
Come on. It's scummy but not prison worthy. America already has some of the highest incarceration rates in the world lmao
@@miguelzavaleta1911 I'm very sure there are laws against these practices and that's another problem. The incarceration rate is LOW for white color crime.
@@deathdoor *white collar. But yeah, I guess you're right. This is more of an issue where we should ease the other laws, though, not make these tougher to make up for it.
Possibly the only illegal conduct was building monopoly and competition got 200 mil., but better ask Legal Eagle.
I used MS-DOS 6 and it had a GUI and QBASIC which was a modular version of BASIC. All and all not a bad package.
I seem to recall, while I was in University, another student being happy when DOS 6 was coming out since it had the drive compression tool which would effectively double the amount of capacity on the drive (I'm pretty sure you'd get less than double depending on what it actually contained). After DOS 6 came out I asked him about it and he said it had been a mess and he was busily trying to revert his system to how it had been previously.
I did that on a Windows 95 computer, because I was a kid and wanted more space for games. It worked great.... for about a week. Then it corrupted tthe C Drive.
DBLSPACE.COM (I think it was a .com file instead of a .exe) gave us close to double. We had a 180 MB HDD with a bit over 300 MB of capacity.
Disadvantages? Well, of course performance took a hit and you better not have too many power outages without running a "scandisk" in between.
@@GemmaLB Wow, that must've been interesting... we only used compression on Win 3.1 over Dos 6. My dad and brother (my mom had more Amiga experience during the 90s) weren't adventurous enough to use compression with Windows 95. It was already running on a knifes-edge of stability.
90s era drive compression was like playing Russian roulette with your hard drive. I tried it for a few days and got infuriated with the performance degradation; I decompressed the drive and everything went back to normal. Several of my friends weren't so lucky and had total drive corruption.
Could have known before. After all, it was a ms product.
As a kid i bought a 2.88 floppy drive.
Since I couldn't find floppies i just used 1.44 punching a hole.
Used to be a great data grave, especially when compressed using arj because it used solid compression. A single flipped bit would render the remainder of the archive garbage, even spanning multiple disks.
"Self destruction code" = Windows Update
Right. I received several "updates" after the end of support for Windows 7; these updates carried some serious malware,......
@@fairwinds610 er, if it was after EoL there would be no updates
@@fairwinds610 Your windows update probably got hacked
are updates even needed ?
@@white_african_9731 Just like how your apps and phone gets updates your computer needs those updates too. Apps, Operating systems and many more are written by humans and humans tend to make mistakes that needs to be fixed asap. As for Windows the first thing to fix is the broken ass update system that we have since XP or so.
Listening to this about windows running unnecessary calculations if MSDOS is not detected, makes me think they just wanted to make sure their code appeared fastest, ie windows with ms-dos would bench mark faster than windows with dr-dos. And I'd bet there was a full page glossy ad somewhere describing exactly that.
"Call Apogee Say Aardwolf" takes on a new meaning with this information. As a kid looking through Wolfenstein 3-D's sprites in debug mode, I used to think it just sounded vaguely like something the enemies would yell. Now I wonder if it was referring to this. Sounds like a joke a 90s programmer would have made.
2megabytes should be enough memory for you no matter what happens in the future🤣🤣
Now the self destruct code is called Window's Update.
When a software company dedicates itself to the pursue of pure greed instead of building the best software possible, it's not really surprising that they resort to this filthy tactics. A business dedicated to build good software wouln't fear the competition, they would push themselves into making better code.
I have no doubts that if microsoft, with their gigantic resources, cared about making good products, today they would be infinitely better. Instead, they choosed to be world-class assholes. They never cared about optimization, or security, or respecting their users.
A pity that people like this thrives in this world. A clear signal of how fuck'd up it is.
Well said, I completely agree with you.
Steve Jobs may have been an asshole, but at least he cared about his software and would have been embarrassed to release anything that wasn't as good as possible. While he didn't invent the GUI, he took concepts that Xerox engineers would have abandoned and refined them into something special. He forced his software engineers to come up with better ways of utilising hardware to create as seamless an experience as possible.
Then Bill Gates came and made a half-baked copy which became Windows, and we're stuck with his horrible legacy to this day. He didn't even copy all the good bits, only just enough to make it barely usable.
Just imagine how advanced humanity would be now if Gates hadn't made it his own personal mission to destroy every single great idea that Microsoft couldn't copy? Makes me sad thinking about it.
@@Microwave_Dave What a crock of crap. Apple shafts it's customers in many and varied ways for financial gain. Want to repair an apple product - nah, not allowed. Want to have your device rendered obsolete by a software upgrade? Choose Apple. Want to run Windows10 on a 12 year old Sony Vaio laptop with 2Gb RAM - no problems, installs just fine. Want to run IOS on thae same device? I don't know why anyone would want to, but you can't do it anyway.
They choosed, did they? How about you learn to spell before expectin anyone to take your twisted view seriously.
@@einfelder8262 "it's" = "it is". Learn to use apostrophes before criticising somebody's spelling. Also "expecting" has a "g" at the end.
I never mentioned what Apple does now, only what Steve Jobs did in the past. I already said he's as asshole, what makes you think I was praising Apple now? All the horrible business practices Apple do now were copied from Microsoft's playbook of how to run a locked-in monopoly.
Without Steve Jobs perfecting the earlier Xerox ideas, Windows would never have happened. Android wasn't originally intended to use touch screens, but then changed tack after the iPhone was released. Apple do lots of shitty things, but they definitely innovated where Microsoft didn't, unless you count their failed Windows Mobile platform.
Your example of a 12 year old Sony VAIO couldn't be more wrong. I have one here that Windows 10 turned into a useless brick. The Win 10 installer overwrote its Recovery partition without warning, erasing its original Win 7 install and custom driver repository. Win 10 doesn't have drivers for its GPU, webcam, or fan controller, so the thing runs like absolute crap with the fans at full blast and can't be used for its intended purpose. Even if you can find drivers for the GPU and webcam, they won't install on Win 10. Can't easily revert back to Win 7 because Win 10 erased the recovery partition and drivers.
Stop being a fanboy who praises mediocrity. When you're older you'll realise how pathetic it is.
@@Microwave_Dave it's is 100% correct for possessive so pull your head in.
Microsoft: "Why doesn't anyone like us?"
Also Microsoft: "Let's crash people's computers on purpose!"
And encrypt the code to prove that it was intentional and malicious
To be fair, it didn't crash anything. I simply flat out lied with the intention to deceive in Microsoft's favor. That's just as bad, morally, but not technically. It's important to stick to the actual facts, because otherwise the next generation who does something illegal like this may actually cost someone their data and they'll believe they're not doing anything new when in fact they are.
Except I recall when the Microsoft haters bought into Google's "don't be evil" bs and held Google as angelic darlings. But now Google is the one being sued right and left for bad business practices. So I don't pub a lot of regard in the views of the MS haters, I've read too much slashdot over the years to not know you guys are full of your own baloney and hypocrisy. lol
@@babybirdhome Windows ME crashed a lot.
@@Dumb_Killjoy there a difference between intentionally creating instability, and your code just being crap.
Windows Me is the latter.
And people wonder why most tech people hate Microsoft and see them as evil
Hated: Fixed - Today Microsoft is a totally another company
@@jamesjameslee8217 why fixed? I don't think so.
Why? They're just maximising profits BY ANY MEANS. That's what companies do, every single one of them
How is this any different from what other companies proudly label as "vertical integration" today?
@@jamesjameslee8217 Microsoft still practices slimy underhanded tactics... Let me give a small example that I've recently encountered. Microsoft Office no longer has autosave unless you use One Drive... Want to use Google drive but keep your documents continuously saved? Tough shit. Office used to autosave to any folder.
The more I hear about MS doing garbage like this the less I feel bad about what Netscape did to them. It's not fun when you are on the receiving end, yes?
What did netscape do?
@@700gsteak Netscape sued MS for including Internet Explorer in the operating system, giving them an "unfair advantage". Personally, I didn't really agree with that, because most all internet browsers were free, and it just seemed silly at the time. But the government raked them over the coals for it.
There were plenty of other things MS/Bill Gates did that were worth going to jail for, but never did!
They finally wised up and realized that the reason the government went after them was because they weren't paying for lobbyists to sit in DC and advocate against consumer interests.
Don't get me wrong, I am not against capitalism, but I detest "crony capitalism", which is where big business gets big government to help them destroy small businesses.
@@daninraleigh
It sounds like Netscape lost. IE has always been included with Windows, since Win 95 OSR2. I had heard that in Europe, it was decide that MS should remove IE and MS responded with that is not possible since it is part of the OS.
These days, the only people who use Edge and IE are corporations. They are a little slow in the head. They can't set aside MS products or Intel products.
@@jbird4478
It's not difficult for MS to design a file explorer that is not related to IE. If Apple can do it, if the Linux community can do it, then so can MS. I think the MS executives were smart and new that there was going to be an upcoming court case. After all, MS spends most of their time in court cases, so they have built up immunity.
@@jbird4478
Even if there is going to be the same functions in 2 applications, there is no technical reason to have iexplore.exe around and to claim that it is an integral part of the OS. The goal was for MS to claim that IE had to be shipped with Win 95 and all subsequent versions since they didn't have a choice.
Microsoft have always been petty in relation to competition. I remember when it was physically impossible to download the netscape installer through internet explorer for years. It makes it even more funnier that the microsoft website was hosted on linux servers for a few years before people started to take notice and they changed it back 😁
They still do... Their entire Azure line of products runs on Linux. Not a secret.
Any proofs of that?
@@IkarusKommt www.zdnet.com/article/linux-now-dominates-azure/
@@IkarusKommt I'm pretty sure that it's mentioned on Microsoft's own website in the Azure set up documentation.
Microsoft has been pretty vocal about their support of Linux and other open source projects. They are one of the Linux Foundations biggest donors, in terms of money and actual code.
They've restructured the company and changed their business model.
Likely because Microsoft's IIS was such a mess ... those were a popular target in the 90s/early 2000s for hacking/backdooring so one could install a FTP service on those machines to host warez.
This sneaky tactic sounds similar to how Google does not allow LBRY (a TH-cam competitor) in its playstore since TODAY.
Hm....
I smell antitrust lawsuit.
@@ThZuao i hope so. I also hope this will popularize LBRY more too
Good.
or Apple not allowing Steam's in-home game streaming app because it competes with their game store
@@judaspreistvlct LBRY is just a TH-cam competitor
Having lived through this time like most it is fascinating to get the picture of what was really going on, most of it is just a distant memory. And you are correct what a time to be alive
that was a great video man, I like the document displays so I can pause and read them.. I'm glad you have the time to do this because it is very interesting to me- and obviously, others :)
I wish they released the WinGlue/WinBolt tooling, would love to restore a bit of justice and have my retro system run on DR-Dos to see how well it would work :D
it would work fine. DR DOS never was UNABLE to run windoze. the error message was a fake.
Ah, indeed... The Aard code...
The ancestor of the greatly famous Vark code.
And it is strangely similar to the Ant code and it's descendant Eater code, yet is actually completely unrelated.
I had DR DOS back in the day. It had a lot of features that were eventually added to MS DOS.
About the contest: "To qualify to enter this competition you must be resident in the United Kingdom"
thx
UK only giveaways
Meh, I don't bother then... I could really use a faster desktop setup though :-/ I don't even need 5000$, just like 500$ for it...
I'm sure they will keep your private data anyway :)
Otherwise they would have prevented you from entering them in the first place.
@frionx ow lol, dont mind me. This is something else entirely.
Ill be taking my leave..
I thought the sinister emails of corporate goons was a thing from movies, and yet here we are, watching the plot of a scifi spy thriller unfold.
"To qualify to enter this competition you must be resident in the United Kingdom and aged over 18 years." - might have been worth saying that in the promo
It's a data mining scam. Revealing that would be counter-productive.
The first computer I bought came with DR-DOS, and I loved it. I spent many hours reading the massive manual included. Sadly, the Windows 3.1 fiasco forced me to switch to MS-DOS, if I'd know about this whole AARD chicanery I would have used it longer.
Remember the ACPI Bios "bug"? The one that someone discovered that the computer motherboard checked to see what OS was running on their hardware. If it was running older versions of WIndows it would give out faulty lookup tables (or something like this) for telling the OS how to suspend, talk to sensors, etc. so when users contacted support they would be told to upgrade their OS. BUT!! If you ran Linux it would deliberately send false data to the OS attempting to crash the kernel. The guy programming the code that helped laptops in Linux suspend and hibernate got suspicious and would make his ACPI client tell the hardware it was Windows. That worked for a while and then glitches started again. Turned out the Bios eventually was actively looking to see if it was running a Linux kernel and try to crash it. Once someone discovered this he made a simple one or two line fix to the bios and people could patch their board to disable this check but that was not the end. As I recall the Federal Industry regulators moved in fast as in order to be considered a ACPI compatible motherboard, you had to follow very strict policies that this clearly breached. Board manufacturers had updates within a few days because they were that spooked that they would be sued massively for this.
Anyway, I managed to google the original thread that started this whole thing. ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
Holy crap, I had a weird bug in my dual boot computer back then that drove me crazy. When I booted in Linux, it ran alright except hibernate and suspend did not work. But then when I boot Windows, the OS would full on freeze within 5 minutes, then run properly again after a reboot. I was expecting something fucky happening in the hardware that back fired into Windows.
I was working in the industry during these events and in fact I discovered this code myself at the time... Microsoft's behaviour here, and their behaviour during the browser wars that followed, ultimately lead me to decide that I didn't want anything to do with them moving forward, and Windows 95 was the last version of Windows I used. I migrated to Linux in 1998, and I have never looked back... have not used Windows since, and it has never presented an issue.... I cant imagine a reason I would want to use Windows now.
Although I agree with your perspective, expressions of satisfaction from the Linux side does not make any more sense with Windows addicts than satisfaction from the Apple side. Windows addicts are case studies in despair, driven by the impulse to spend more money with Windows because of money already spent with Windows. They know there probably is something better, but find it more convenient to surrender to old habits.
@@bobgreene2892 I don't think it has anything to do with money, but more with intellectual capital. Windows is not free, but most people don't know that the system is set up so that the price they pay for a new PC includes the price of Windows.... and Linux actually is free, but most people don't understand how, or why and so perceive it as a lesser OS because of that. Also, most Windows users immediately try to run Windows programs on Linux and unsurprisingly discover that is not as easy, and sometimes does not have great results.... it's almost as if the ability to run some Windows programs confuses them and they think that's what it's for! I'm sure this is not an issue when switching to Mac, as they are not aware that the same tools that allow some Windows programs to run on Linux, also work on Mac! It's a little bizarre, obviously both platforms have their own native apps, and Windows cannot run Mac or Linux programs making it immediately less functional than either of those platforms.
In any case, tho,.... it's about intellectual capital, not money... People feel that they know Windows and so they will be better off sticking with it.... probably all of them know someone who is more experienced with Windows than them so they feel like they have some support in the event of problems. True or not... I don't see any benefit in persuading someone who doesn't have reason to switch, that they should use Linux. I content myself with highlighting the fact that there are options, after all some people would reject Mac on price alone, Apple computers are much more expensive than standard PC's.
@@JamesLewis Thank you for that. My mention of the financial factor is its prominent role in choosing Windows over Mac and other operating systems, especially in the early years. Money began to dominate the decision when OEMs, under Microsoft pressure, optioned only Windows for their hardware. For even the majority of consumers, to leave a Windows computer and its suite of applications to migrate to any other system became synonymous with abandoning their Windows investment. Microsoft struggled through people like Steve Balmer to persuade the budget-minded that Windows was the only option of practical value.
Youve also likely not used any of hundreds of programs that dont run on linux, or are running virtual windows to do so.
Its easy to say you dont run windows when all you need is a TI82, not a computer thats useful for any work that requires literally any advanced editing software, or playing 90% of games these days.
Look, i get you, its nice, but it doesnt get the job done, i cant spend hundreds of hours writing programs just to simulate windows so i can use the programs i need to use, i want it to just work when i press a button.
@@drawapretzel6003 Honestly, you don't surprise me with that response... it's absolutely typical of the response I often get from Windows users. If I didn't think about it, I might make the same comment from the opposite perspective, since there are a great many amazing tools I use on Linux that aren't available on Windows... I will absolutely grant you that since the bulk of "desktop" users are on Windows, it did take longer for certain applications to develop, and editing video specifically has not always been great, but my personal requirements have always been met, and many of the tools created on Linux initially are now ubiquitous on Windows too (and probably some are the tools you are referring to that you think I don't have access to!)... Tools such as OBS, Ardour, Shotcut, Audacity, and many others. Personally OBS and Shotcut meet my needs for Video, and Audacity combined with some Linux native real time effects software meet my needs for Audio... If my needs became more professional I could look to Blender and Lightworks among others (Please do search "Spring - Blender Open Movie" on TH-cam). I do not run Windows under emulation, although the API translation layer "wine" (analogous to, but much more advanced than Cygwin) , and other related tools now integrated into Steam Play (and other tools) have allowed me to play non-native games for MANY years, also, speaking of games... perhaps this screenshot I made will bring home how capable these tools are:- twitter.com/NetLore/status/1283553850415251459. On the other side however, you should recognise that Linux absolutely dominates virtually every space other than desktop.
So, while I am quite open that ideology has become a factor in my sticking exclusively to Linux, there was a time when I had both Windows and Linux on the same machine... and I found myself gravitating towards Linux over time, because it better met my needs, was considerably more stable, and made much better use of my hardware than Windows. I did not make a conscious decision to switch, I simply realised that I had not booted Windows for 6 months... and when I found myself needing more disk space at some point, it got deleted and I've never looked back.
I also do not advocate that others switch to Linux, I do like to make people aware that they have options other than Windows.... because as you highlighted so well, there is a lot of misunderstanding, and misinformation out there, and simply dumping a Windows user on Linux will result in a culture shock that will be a negative experience for that user if they are not prepared to put in some effort and research.
I remembered "Doctor" DOS as my dad called it. I always wondered what it was and where it came from, because I remember switching to MS-DOS just before getting Win95.
lol Pretty sure everyone called it that tbh. When the internet was mostly text we just pronounced things how they were spelt.
I loved the Undocumented DOS series. Lots of interesting materials. I still have them as a curiosity.
Microsoft Edge staring into your windows at 3am. Breathing heavily.
You may be on to something.
A couple of hundred million in a settlement was just a drop in the ocean to Microsoft. Leave you to wonder what else is baked in to the latest Windows 10.
I had a paperback copy of Peter Norton's Advanced DOS 5. There wasn't anything I couldn't do then. Wow how times have changed.
Ahh, so modern Intel and Nvidia clearly learned from how Microsoft became incredibly successful and used the same tactics.
Guess you don’t make billions by playing fair.
Amd is better at cpu market hopefully they re Much better on gpu market
@@johnryu9385 Oh yeah, AMD is absolutely killin' it right now. They still only have a fraction of the overall market but I'm hoping they can continue gaining fast while not allowing the success and money corrupt them like Intel. Also... hope they don't get lazy like Intel.... haha. Only reason they've pulled ahead is due to Intel not needing to innovate without competition.
And yeah.... I'm really, REALLY hoping they can finally catch up in the desktop/datacenter GPU market. I think that's going to be a much harder fight, though. Nvidia, while shady and greedy have at least been doing good work pushing technology forward.
It is not playing unfair. It is making your hardware and software only work with your products or legally licensed products. They dont need to give out their APIs to their competition.
And don't forget apple/ google
@@common_c3nts Not sure if you're being a troll, but that is grounds for an anti-trust lawsuit according to Microsoft's own government. So yes, it is playing dirty.
This is the first time I've seen MS doing something truly shady (besides the whole "telemetry" spyware stuff in the Win10 era and beyond).
Cracking groups: "R Crux de best1!1!!!! V0.1"
DR: "DR DOS Windows 3.1 Business Update"
So...going by Microsoft's own history and current practices, we need to be worried about the Linux Foundation and the Linux kernel.
The Linux foundation is meant for good deed. Microsoft never said that
i believe microsoft is somewhat funding the linux foundation (just like many other tech giants are).
MS has realized three things:
1 the Linux Kernel is here to stay, and no amount of meddling will change that.
2. MS themselves depend on Linux to do business with other companies, heck, OneDrive is probably run on Linux servers lol.
3. because of the FOSS nature of GNU Linux, even if they somehow manage to corrupt Linus Torvalds himself, the project can simply be forked and begin anew.
@@lightningvini Thank you for that mental image of Linus Torvalds as a cyborg, or should I say, an Android.
The steam deck , running Linux will crush windows , most windows users are locked into direct x and Microsoft , valve ,hopefully will change that forever
This explains so many things, like why im using windows 10 instead of 7, and why windows 10 has 150+ processes on clean install when w7 had 40..
If less is better, should we aim for only 1 running process? What should it be? The input handler? The display controller? It has more processes because it does more things - and it splits previous processes into more than one so if one thing is misbehaving it doesn't cause issues with as many other things as before.
@@kaldo_kaldo But the list of things i use has not increased since, still the same programs i had on windows 7. Its all background operations that have no real purpose for me.
It seems Caldera liked getting a settlement from claiming patent infringement because it became their entire business model after it became SCO (see SCO vs Linux)
holy crap. fasthosts is still around? I haven't even thought about them in 20 years
86-DOS seems like a CP/M knockoff, so I think it’s fair that Digital Research gets to sell an 86-DOS knockoff
nobody would call it a knockoff, it's a continuation of their own line of software.
86-DOS didn't start off like that. Rumor has it that it was it's own thing, but IBM mandated Microsoft to "make it more like CP/M." This is why Dr. Kildall felt ripped off by young Billy Gates.
Silkwesir Well yeah, a knockoff of a knockoff of your own software is a continuation of your own software
I think they would have got the same result without the ramifications if they had just popped up a notice that said : "You are installing windows on an unsupported DOS installation, this may cause stability errors or bugs etc"
I ran DR DOS using its compression and it worked flawlessly - ran it on my Tandy tl/2 making my 40 mb HD into an 80 MB and ran my BBS using Maximus - god I miss those days - those were the hay day awesome fun time of computer era
Hi, Never knew about this.
I used DR-Dos for about 5 or 6 years at home, it had netware lite or novell lite ( i cant recall which one - the box setis at mums with the Pentium 100 ). Has 3 PC's at the time, mine and the 2 for the kids.
We ran co-axial cable under the house and enjoyed playing doom.
Both kids PC's had there own stuff, but they also had network drives, my PC has 2 cd-roms, so encarta was in there all the time, and something else was in the other.
But any large games were "on the network" ( Doom was in 3 folders, mine on the C-drive on my machine and each child had there own copy of Doom in their personal share) , anyway on days when school was on next morning, they got a alarm at 8:15 8:20 8:25 at 8:30 they lost the mapping to the games.
Also they lost access to the shared modem.
Really good program and i originally bought it for the task manager / multiple program ability, i used to turn say Turbo Pascal / Cobal or Word Perfect, and be able to flip to say Lots 123 or EGA-Trek
Yeah at the time with 486's you had those aftermarket removable hard drive caddy case, they were like a 5.25 outer case and a smaller little box came out that held the ide hard drive, the rear was essentially a printer/centronics male/female connector that the outer case was wired to IDE cables.
With this setup and multiple connor 420 hdd, i was able to use the second drive as a dos 5 and win 3.1 setup as work had moved to visual basic, as i could not afford a new pc then swapping drives was the next best thing.
Things we used to do - i was constantly upgrading from say 1988-2000, actually the HP Pentium 4 and Win2000 / XP lasted a long time with no mods - up to 2013.
Regards
George
Both kids PC's had *their* own stuff
Hey thanks for sharing. That literally sounds like the kind of setup/home network I wish I had at the time.
Same technique Microsoft used against Lotus -- "Windows ain't done 'till Lotus won't run." And I got a $50 check from PC Magazine for a letter to the editor showing that SysEdit (one of the administration tools shipped by Microsoft with Windows 3.1) worked BETTER (i.e., without error) under DR-DOS, but failed in certain circumstances under MS-DOS. Oh, the good old days! [And let's not even get into OS/2 vs Chicago (a.k.a Windows NT, NOT Windows 95)]
I consider myself lucky to have lived during all that era and worked on PCs when PCs were mostly for nerds and rich people! Almost everybody came to you for help for such things like changing the screen saver or windows background or even creating a folder and renaming it!! Not to mention that most people didn't even dare to install any expansion card and called you for help! you felt special and needed being a techy guy those days 😉😇 I remember being one of very few students who actually had a PC at home during college! most students had to use the computer lab at campus to do any assignments!
When I built my first PC in the 80s, I used DR DOS. I've never had MS-DOS on any PC of mine. I remember all of this going down. Later, when DOS wasn't needed, I ran Windows under OS/2. Windows couldn't crash the PC.
Later, after generating a stack of motherboards, obsolete hard drives, and such, I decided to build a kind of Frankenstein PC. I just needed to load DR DOS. But every known good boot diskette generated the same message. Something about "incorrect operating system." I thought it was something on a hard drive. Even with none installed, I couldn't boot DR DOS.
Finally, I looked up how to blindly reset the AMI BIOS. After I did that, DR DOS could boot without issue. MS had rewritten the BIOS to only run their OS!
It reminds me of the joke at the time: "We at Microsoft don't want a monopoly, we just don't want any competition!"
The Ol’ bill uttered of “640k ought to be enough for anybody.” Boy was he wrong!
I heard it was a myth
@@MilesPrower1992 it is a myth. it's not a direct quote, let alone by Bill Gates.
It just summarizes what the designers at the time were thinking into a single statement.
The system came with 64K of RAM in its basic form. Can you really blame them to say "let's be generous for the maximum, let's pick 10 times as much"... they probably didn't expect that by the time people would be using systems with more RAM than that, they would still be using the same basic architecture. It was something which never happened before.
It’s especially amusing when you look at some non-IBM PCs, like the Tandy 2000 - some programs would fail when the system had max memory (768K), claiming there wasn’t enough RAM, because the memory checking routines wrapped around, and decided the machine had less than 128K‼️
@@colinpye1430 about a month ago for fun i was trying to install win 3.11 on virtualbox to learn something about the system (the oldest one i used "for real" was XP). when i were installing internet explorer (i think 5.01) it didnt want to install, after searching on some very old forums, i learned that i had to decrease ram because it got confused when there was too much of it
And Tiger HitClips created a whole generation that thinks 128 kbps should be enough for anybody.
Speaking of nostalgia, all I could think of from seeing your thumbnail was the A-A-R-D-V-A-R-K song from Arthur
I had a lot of fun getting windows 3.1 and win95 to run on lots of different DOS based systemd outside of MS-Dos. The editors used to be included with the windows installation tools and it wasn't that hard to get windows through 2000 up and running on almost anything. Sometimes it was a long upgrade path but it was a lot of fun every time.
Fine... I'll watch yet another video even though I really should go do something else. Damn you!
Most obliged good fellow.
This is called TH-cam addiction and you should get help.
It's even worse that it showed up on my Roku first and then had it running on my phone slightly behind so I could write that comment. Fortunately, I did get a few chores done before my wife got home! 🙂
Yup had this bug too, from MS-DOS 5 to win 3.1 and load win and exit it, and still using the command line, great success for MS... NOT, also OS/1 from IBM had the same issues with PC-DOS. Now that I watch the DR-DOS saga, I went from MS-DOS 5 to DR-DOS OS, it was the small man against the big tech, those days. And I got it for free from the store where I bought my computer stuff.
Rest in peace Gary Kildall, the father of the operating system.
@referral madness You could make an argument that he invented the interchangeable micro computer operating system.
@referral madness Well, CP/M Was the catalyst for the OS. Microsoft was hot on BASIC, then within a business meeting IBM went with microsoft for an OS that was a blatant ripoff of CP/M. This is why DRI had to jump ship and make their own DOS, as CP/M was dead for IBM and Microsoft in the 80's. But yea, Gary helped Bill, this is well documented. The only reason
we have MS-DOS is for gary took her wife for a flight when bill had that meeting. th-cam.com/video/Tdj8gh9GPc4/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=TheComputerChronicles
Bill never was intellectually impressive. Read, “Hard Drive” if you need to convince yourself how average he really is. Just lucky, shrewd and, most importantly, amoral.
Billy got rich by getting away with a con job. He sold a lie about something he didn't have and which didn't exist, for cash, which is technically "fraud" by legal definition. Then he used a small part of that cash to hire a hacker to throw together something to emulate what he had promised to IBM.
@@JamesMorningstar In the late 80s and early 90s, that was sadly the norm. I remember doing a big consulting job for SSA (enterprise software) at the time when they showed a demo of their new client-server/GUI software. It was 100% fake. Just a cheap Visual Basic plugin that was doing AS/400 screen scraping from their old system pretending to be the fancy new multi-million dollar app. The executives of that company eventually fled to South America for fraud. But Billy boy got to be the world's head infectious disease Karen for his crimes. Go figure.
Gates had a corporate attorney for a father, and we should presume Gates took the legally advantageous course after due consultation with him.
I haven't read it yet, but I was recommended Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers. Based on the same topic but touches on more of these "intellectuals".
Also born with rich parents who could fund his startup along with a massive ad campaign to become the leading version of BASIC despite being grossly inferior.
DOS did have memory expansion utilities that allowed pushing stuff into XMS. I vaguely remember those special config.sys edits that allowed running particularly resource-heavy games. One had to be a bit savvy to jump through the hoops but ultimately it wasn't inaccessible to your average teenager.
Yeah, I think DRDOS (and other products from companies like Quarterdeck) just made it easier. On plain MSDOS there was a lot of trial and error. In retrospect it's all stuff that should not have been necessary in the first place. We were running an OS on 386+ CPUs that was made to run on 8086 CPUs.
(4:12) - Notice right there, halfway down the page, he describes the plural of "OS" (Operating Systems) as OSs, not OS's or any other such abomination.
I just love it when I come across someone else who fully understands that plurals of initialisms (and acronyms) involves just an extra, lowercase "s"
NO APOSTROPHE NECESSARY!
As Dave Jones would say: "A thing of beauty is a joy forever" and yes, in this case it really does include perfect grammar.
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On the note of 640K ought to be enough for anyone: We sent man to the moon with 72K of memory but A single tab in my browser needs 500MB just to open this TH-cam page. Somehow we call this progress.
and to install just a basic operating system, you need to reserve a "small 200gb" partition as your maindrive, but even that's not enough anymore, rather save a "small" 1 terrabyte partiion as your main system drive, with the way windows is exploding in resource usage. the name "Operating system" no longer applies, it should be called" windows 10, resource hogger :P
Can that 72K computer run a browser or stream a video?
imagine if this didn't happen and we would still use DR DOS
We wouldn't, but if Digital Research were successful, we might now be using some DR operating system on our smartphones, for example...
Linux
@@samega7cattac Android is a Linux distro, essentially.
@@brumm3653 It seems like Linux BC it's pretty far from it, luckily they are getting closer to Linux by update
@@brumm3653 you are right but for me this is somehow a different breed
That warped background is melting my brain.
Classic Microsoft. They were such a shady company back then. It’s a shame it helped them against the competition
Whaddya mean back then?
i've pirated every single microsoft product my whole life and now i'm actually proud of it
I don't normally complain in video comments, but pleeeease don't insert flashing, moving and morphing "stock cyber" backgrounds every time you show an interesting static image or text.
Seriously. I enjoy his videos but this one was really triggering a migraine for me.
Have a cousin that is epileptic. Anybody else? Class action suit time?
Was this the first occurrence of purposeful OS vendor lock-in (not just sheer incompatibility but purposefully blocking competitor's software that WOULD work)
Just a heads up about the video--maybe it's because I have a bit of a headache, but all the bits where you put up blocks of text to read with swirling high contrast code in the background made parts of the video really hard to watch for me.
Great content as always, but you may want to use more subtle backdrops, or darken them more to be a little easier on the eyes!
Trick question...
Q. How much memory did Bill Gates said you need ?
A. None, always use someone elses and save your money.
Personally I used MegaQuadSpace MQS. Mashed compresed your data so much your data was rendered unuseable when decompressed and use 99% of your CPU time, leaving you 1% to run your application..
1:12 I thought Caldera Dr DOS was Dr. DOS like doctor, today I found out it's an ancromym for Digital Research...
Now I know why I never saw this problem. My first PC came with DOS 2.1 and when I built a second PC attempted to purchase MS DOS 3.x. I rapidly discovered that MS didn’t sell DOS to retail customers (apparently due to its licensing arrangements with IBM). Consequently, I had no choice but to purchase DR DOS 3.xx. I still have the 5.25 inch floppy disk. I never had any problems with installing Win 3.0, 3.1, or 3.11. I never upgraded DR DOS 3.xx. The text editor EDIT was vastly superior to EDLIN (long live Wordstar keyboard shortcuts!) and I replaced the DR DOS command processor with 4DOS that was vastly superior to both DR DOS and MS DOS, especially since it allowed long file descriptors to aid in file identification.
DR DOS was pretty cheap too BTW. It cost me $AU65 IIRC and the only other OS on offer at the time, one of the Unices (I forget which) cost somewhere north of $AU2,000.
It was underhanded shit like this that really turned me off to Micro$oft in later years. The FTC should have slapped them into next week with a multi-million dollar fine early on, but desktop computing was still in it's infancy as such, and no one except the developers really knew how it all worked, and what constituted 'intellectual property' at the time.🙄😐
When watching Bill give his testimony/deposition to the Department of Justice (DOJ), he was being very cagey. No straight answers and a lot of semantic word games.
The interviewer started off by reading dictonary definitions of terms like "operating system" and "web browser." He would say, "do you agree with that definition" and Gates would respond like a smartass. Maybe he wasn't wrong per se but he interviewer knew who we was up against so he tried to do the logical thing of establishing commonly understood words.
Also, it's not like a DOJ lawyer is necessarily the most tech-savvy. Even tech-savvy people aren't gonna waste time making sure they now all of the vocabulary words for consumer-grade software (that's for peasants). Still, I think Gates took advantage of that "knowledge gap" to muddy the waters.
If it were you or me, that kind of thing might get us slapped with charges of obstruction.
Thanks for reminding me why as a young nerd I never trusted Microsoft, this is just one of the very many shady practices Microsoft had. Yes they lost the case in the end, but they also cemented themselves as a monolith in the OS space with no rival. And 80 million dollars feels like peanuts for that. The Cost of doing business.
It's why I really can't accept "Oh Bill gates is such a great man" today, because it was his company and his strategy to do things like this to ensure his profits. He made billions of dollars and now worries about his legacy so he turns to philanthropy but he basically killed the PC market for everyone but Microsoft for decades with his and his company's actions.
As a bit of nostalgia, MANY years ago I remember having get a call to help a local citizen needing PC repair/support. Windows 3.1 was the latest and greatest OS to add to your PC, and these people whom I was helping just bought a copy of it at Walmart. However, it would just not frigging install on the computer no matter how many times I reformatted and tried. I finally broke down and retreated back home to grab my copy of MS DOS and FINALLY that worked. But then out of curiosity I deleted DOS and installed DR DOS and tried that combo one last time, only to see it didn't work. I was like WTH???? I never knew why till many years later. I chuckled and thought THOSE SNEAKY GREEDY LITTLE MICROSOFT BASTARDS! LOL
DR-DOS was also used in embedded systems, not just desktops. When I worked at K-Mart over 20 years ago, the hand-held scanners had an embedded DR-DOS setup on them.
Never heard of this DR-DOS! Should I install it on my 386-DX instead of MS-DOS 6?
I can hear that barely audible noise that the analogue TV is giving off.
Changing the handler for interrupt 3 is pretty nasty, because that makes debugging impossible.
Wouldn't they have made more money longer term just making it work on anything? Geoff Chappel was a genius. In remember he helped me with something, at no charge at all. I will never forget his kindness.
At this point Linux is a good and much more secure alternative to Windows
To qualify to enter this competition you must be resident in the United Kingdom and aged over 18 years.
Uh, thanks Brexit... Cant do the competition.
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640 KB, 637 KB, 1MB and never said, are all correct answers.
hahaha europarasite
@@rashidisw At least I don't drink tea. WE USE COFFEE HERE.
@@TekuSPZ most Brits drink coffee. Tea sales have never been lower.
It's not because of Brexit they you can't enter as the UK is still required to follow EU law. It's because EU law allows for discrimination based on residentency but not nationality.
@@TekuSPZ People always think Brits are the top tea drinkers of the world and Great Britian has the rainiest weather. They haven't been to Eastern Frisia yet :)
You should make sure it has problems in the future :-)
Man, Microsoft was evil from day one. The list of stories similar to this could fill a library.
Micro$oft using their strategies. As usual.
Samuel Lourenço Microshaft