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- Win your Ultimate Tech Bundle by entering Fasthosts’ Techie Test here: www.fasthosts.... (competition is now closed).... There was once a piece of code, buried deep within Windows, designed to detect competitor operating systems, and upon finding them, CRASH... or at least, make the user feel like something was seriously wrong. This was Microsoft's attempt to truly kill Digital Research's DR-DOS, and although it worked, it wasn't long until the true nature of Microsoft's practices was uncovered.
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I realise I've been wearing the same T-Shirt for the past three videos. I call it efficiency.
Just make sure you wash it every once and a while.
@@MontieMongoose That's what the doctor said.
@@Nostalgianerd which doctor? Dr. DOS?
efficiency in theory is defined as "The work done by the machine ➗ The work done on the machine" in other words it is the Output/Input
_laundry day wants to know your location_
I remember when Apple criticised Microsoft for being a very big and very rich company which locked its users in, forcing them to work in a certain way.
aaaah yes, how the turns have tabled
You seem to not remember well. What everybody criticized Microsoft for was being a very big and very rich company which had made breaking the law its business strategy.
Apple has openly "locked its users in and forced them to work in a certain way" since the 1984 Mac. How the rest of the world still got scammed into using DOS-with-pictures is a mystery.
The Pot calling the Kettle Black
@@IlBiggo You clearly haven't watched many repair shop videos. Skilled technicians find dirty designed to fail tricks or bad board planning Apple will refuse to admit to all the time. One generation of macbook pros this past decade had a high power rail for the screen backlight very, very close to a data rail running into the cpu, or graphics switch chip if a discrete gpu was also in the system. As a consequence a short would instantly ruin your laptop. Naturally a very small tin wisker could easily do this at any time after the end of warranty service. Apple also constantly attacks repair shops and refuses to make it easy to recycle old systems. They aggressively pressure recycling companies to just shred perfectly good Apple machines instead of cleaning them up and, say, donating them to local schools.
@@010203109 I watch my share of Rossman’s, thank you very much. Not that this has anything to do with Microsoft breaking the law.
But being myself someone who fixes stuff, I can assure you that Apple is just *one* of the many companies opposing home repairs. Their portable computers are actually much better designed than, say, Samsung’s.
Apple’s desktops open with a lever and are probably the most gorgeously laid out and easy to service that I’ve ever seen.
So in the meme world Apple has gone from “not selling components to third-party” to “attacking repair shops”. Let me know when a) any other manufacturer starts giving away schematics and selling spare parts or b) Apple starts asking for your first-born in exchange for the Impossible Pentalobe Screwdriver 😀
I remember this. This is one of the reasons people hate Microsoft. They didn't want to win by building a better mousetrap, they wanted to destroy rival mousetraps. Once there are no rivals, they lose interest. Consider how Internet Explorer stagnated when Netscape Navigator died.
When Netscape went I moved to Opera for a while but wasn't happy. Been with FireFox since #1.
I totally forgot netscape existed, holy shite
@@webbtrekker534 Only used mosaic a handful of times as a younger kid before learning to create shapes in html with java 😅
@@happycouch501 Awh, product pushing.
@@happycouch501 imagine recommending people something just because you use it
"your code should be perfect or you are in trouble"
ah yes a friendly corporate culture where every employee feels like a family
Here it's justified. If they put code that prevented the installer from finishing, and it incorrectly thought that MS-DOS was DR-DOS, they would be preventing their own customers from installing software. It would make sense that the error they gave wasn't fatal, so it wouldn't prevent installation.
Because it could mean disaster if it's not lol. Sometimes there isn't room for mistakes.
I'm sorry code, I have to do EVERYTHING to you and see how you behave. Yes we have lube but we have to do this without to be sure
a family, but it's dysfunctional
mafia family
It's a good thing we are in the future and absolutely none of these shenanigans go on between corporations these days (SMILEY FACE)
Heh.
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
Jeffery Amherst i mean almost entirely
@@therealvbw pov you are Linux
Yuuup, no shenanigans at alllll... *cough* apple and epic games *cough*
Hey who said that!
Having worked for Microsoft tech support at this time I can confirm that we were instructed to inform any customer calling in to report the error that MS could not guarantee the compatibility of Windows with any other OS, and to helpfully offer to assist the customer to install MS-DOS.
I was later deposed by Caldera’s lawyers once the lawsuit was under way.
You bastards got me! I remember searching stores for a copy of ms-dos that everyone was frantically trying to get. Enter piracy...
"MS could not guarantee the compatibility of Windows with any other OS"
That's not a lie, though. MS wasn't designing anything other than Windows and MS-DOS, so that's the truth. Why would you be expected to troubleshoot another company's product anyway? That's crazy.
When I worked as a subcontractor for Apple answering Apple Care calls, I had a ssabmud customer call try to get an *Amazon* return label for her Airpods. I couldn't help her because I didn't work for Amazon. Of course she was rude, entitled, and couldn't even spell "miss." I'm not exaggerating. This was in the past couple years, too, so there's no reason she shouldn't have done it via Amazon's website which makes returns really easy. I was new so I was legitimately laughing at her (on mute/hold) for being that gnikcuf diputs instead of angry about her attitude.
When I got the job, I was disappointed when I found out I'd be working (indirectly) for Apple. Apple made it clear numerous times that my crummy job was not an actual Apple position. Thankfully I didn't work there for very long.
I'd almost forgotten why I thought Microsoft was evil. Thank you for the reminder.
Never ever forget, please.
All companies are
Make sure your money never heads off to Microsoft.
Yes because the insane telemetry in windows 8, 8.1, 10 etc was not reminder enough
Go free, go Linux.
At the time of DR-DOS, everyone I knew pronounced it "Doctor DOS". Interesting to find out that was wrong after all this time.
LOL, I always knew it was D-R Dos, but everytime I see it, for that first second I think doctor...
I too called it Doctor DOS
Well, you are both wrong, I’m afraid. :)
It was never “Doctor Company”. It was Digital Research. They were big, big back in the day.
That’s Mizz Dos! Her martial status does not define her identity!
I thought it was 'doctor' before I heard someone say 'd-r'.
“This new DOS has new and innovative features that could threaten our position in the market. We need to bring our products to feature-parity, and then add something of value to sweeten the deal.”
“Hm, sounds like a lot of work. Is there another way?”
“We could add some obfuscated code to check for arbitrary differences in implementation, and then cripple our products when such differences are detected.”
“The second one.”
simple and yet effective. I can respect that and almost feel envious about. funny how peo consumer they are now which is good
@@thedarkflameknight7942 the old way of creating a monopoly, nowadays you just buy the other company, government doesn't seem to care. facebook buys everything, apple too, google too, just buy your adversaries, no anti-trust in ages since the last dotcom bubble.
I'm waiting for the day Google will be split in two.
So nice of you to think they considered the first option first. Or at all...
it's shit like this that cripples any faith I have in a meritocracy, or the notion that competition only creates better products. why put in the hard work making a better product, when you can just trip up the competition and look like the least shit option?
@@monad_tcp Don't forget AT&T slowly absorbing the Bells back into its fold. I wouldn't be surprised if Standard Oil is re-consolidating as well.
remember kids: you can do any crime, as long as you're rich enough!
or as long as you get rich enough from the crime to settle when its discovered.
Remember kids: you can do any crime, as long nobody will find out!
Unless it's arson :>
Some rich people view some crimes as just a fee to do something. Like illegal parking.
Who do you think you are, Sam O'nella academy?
You dare stand where he stood?
Curious, how people assumed the issue was in DR Dos, not *beta* Windows.
probably because it appeared before windows actually launched on their machine, and after launch just worked perfectly fine. This probably made it look like an error happening before windows even launches.
Because it didn’t happen to people running MS DOS
Wait, I'm supposed to blame the still-in-development application software for not working on my otherwise completely functional and stable system? That would be...logical.
@@halfplushalfsqrt5 It was a "simpler" time in some ways.
@@halfplushalfsqrt5 not everyone knew as much about computers or software as people do now
Someone : *makes better product than microsoft*
Microsoft: wait, that's illegal
All of my computers are happily purring along running Linux. :)
@@spvillano ok.
@@spvillano Almost same, I have a windows 7 retro gaming computer. XD
Kinda strange though, that retro gaming now includes 64 bit Skyrim and Fallout 4....
When I used to sell software in the mid 90s, I had lunch with a sales rep from IBM whose job it was to sell IBM's OS. he kept ripping his hair out because despite proving that IBM OS was in every way superior to MS OS/windows... MS just had sooo much more money and time devoted to marketing their OS IBM just couldn't compete.
and this was true. IBM OS WAS in every way better than windows. faster, more stable, took far less memory, more compatible... just everything. and yet, MS won and IBM lost... because of marketing.
Apple learned their lessons well from that.
"Their initial response was to try and purchase Novell, but to no avail." I don't know if you meant to do it but I like the subtle wordplay.
I always thought it was Doctor DOS as a kid.
Apparently that was an unknown B-Side by the 90s pop group, Aqua.
@Nostalgia Nerd I’m living in Copenhagen. Aqua still exists and are touring.
I still call it doctor dos; but its like when people call id software i d software (the id is part of Freudian psychology)
lol same
This has always confused me. A program called _DR DOS_ sounds like it's designed to diagnose and fix problems with the computer, similar to the debugger, _Dr. Watson._
Underhanded corporate tactics you say?
*Intel writes the manual*
Nvidia: Quick make a copy
Apple: Pretty picture book
Oh! Someone that remembers all the shitty things Intel did... Sadly that's a rare sight
More people need to know about the kind of terrible business intel runs.
@@Mrhellacat It's not just Intel... actually, it is most large companies, now that I think about it. Maybe it is not in society's best interest to even allow companies to get so large. Food for thought.
HL - Hombres Libres MGTOW Because there’s no good alternative or consumers are unaware of them, duh. I mean, right now there’s AMD and ARM, but until only a few years ago, Intel had a near-monopoly in high performance CPUs. Similarly, Windows has had a near-monopoly in the desktop for decades due not in small part to their shady monopolistic techniques.
So fitting!
And even more fun when the makers of the manual and the copiers went head to head in the Core 2 era... Intel won that one suffice to say.
This reminds me of the deliberate CSS bug that Microsoft planted on their web sites that would cause web sites to shift off-screen if a rival browser was detected. This was when CSS layouts just became a thing. So, browsers that supported CSS properly would end up not properly displaying Microsoft's web pages (or rather: properly displaying it, but in the way that Microsoft wanted, i.e. off-screen).
What was particularly nasty about this bug in IE was it forced webdesigners to adopt this bug or else their webpage wouldnt display properly in IE and they would get the blame for it. And since IE shipped with windows and couldnt be easily uninstalled all windows users had IE so it was hard to ignore IE.
If things were fair, web designers would have kept coding correctly and ie would have suffered for the bug until microsoft fixed it but instead microsoft turned webdesigners into helping them screw over netscape etc.
I recall all these hacks on my first job doing a website for a research group.
I bet even today's current rendering engines should have that bug worked around (quirks) as of today.
Hot take: Private settlements to antitrust cases, usually end up throwing the public interest under the bus.
Some Day "public interest" is bigger than any bus and then it's Time to pay back..
Microsoft has sent you a Private Message, @@jannejohansson3383. lol
Janne Johansson
Well, it’s time for the public to toss private interests under the bus.
a settlement to an antitrust case does nothing about the supposed grievance. if you think a company is acting monopolistic, just agreeing for them to pay you a lump of cash, when you are specifically saying they are acting in an anticompetitive way, does nothing to address the concern.
Which is why the Bell System was broken up, but Microsoft continued unhindered.
yeah, if they didn't settle, and just rode it out it'd been filed in the judicial system, but now no Judge was involved beyond mediation,
What surprised me was the employees at Microsoft were in on it. Shows what kind of culture the company had. Top to bottom.
With tons of lawsuits. Settling out of court or assimilation. Microsoft got away with it
Every. Single. Time.
The culture did not got less slimy
Actually it just got worse as time progressed...
@SmokingThrax SmokingThrax the only reason who got where?
@@callidusvulpes5556
Windows 10 is a headache for techies. Not as bad as Windows 8, but things tend to break more often at every update compared to the past generations.
@@Aereto I mean I agree, but what does that have to do with what I said lol (also Vista was pretty annoying).
I do love it when I receive a work E-mail saying "we should crash the computer" as a guy who worked at Microsoft for a bit, I received those emails twice a day.
Damn, I just can’t believe they were so obvious with it
"I didn't get rich by writing a lot of cheques." -- Bill Gates
The simpsons in case people didn't know.
Homer was so sad that day
That joke is why the old simpsons is so good.
The joke feels absurd but is deeply rooted with a lot of truths.
Compuglobalhypermeganet could of been the big name in computing...
Don't let his haircut fool you!
Imagine having even the most basic level of moral and ethical standards as an engineer at a company, and having to deal with executives who are complete sociopaths. It's kind of incredible just how evil they were. And they weren't the only ones.
"up to 4GB of RAM could be utilized"
When I heard this, I thought he surely must have misspoken. 4GB was considered a massive capacity for a HARD DRIVE in 1992, after all. That would be like a modern consumer-grade PC running 8TB of RAM today.
I dug in a bit, and found this to be a technically true but misleading statement. From Wikipedia:
"While Windows 3.0 was limited to 16 MB maximum memory, Windows 3.1 can access a theoretical 4 GB in 386 Enhanced Mode. The actual practical ceiling is 256 MB. However, no single process can use more than 16 MB."
Sounds pretty typical.
Much like 64 bit CPU's that in theory could use a full 64 bit memory addressing scheme (which is some absurd amount of memory I can't be bothered to calculate), but instead have variously used 36, 40 and 48 bit addressing instead.
I can't think of many systems from that era that can even install that amount of memory.
Although an SGI Indigo 2 workstation (made from 1992 to 1997) has 12 SIMM slots and theoretically can support 1024 megabytes (eg a full gigabyte).
In practice the early models 'only' had 32 megabytes (still a huge amount for 1992), while later models had 256.
Plus due to the nature of memory from that era the maximum amount possible was thermally limited, not limited by hardware or software support. Too large an amount would overheat.
late era Aftermarket upgrades using newer RAM chips that ran cooler apparently got the systems up to 768 megabytes, and later the full 1024 (as 128x8 with 4 empty slots).
So, while I find it unlikely any system had it installed, there were at least system around in that timeframe that could handle a gigabyte of memory in theory...
Must have been quite the thing to witness at the time. XD
@@KuraIthys I bow to your well-rounded knowledge on these subjects. I am similarly amazed that a 1GB RAM system was possible in that era from a hardware perspective, but would like to add that SIXTY FOUR separate applications would have to be running simultaneously utilizing the maximum amount possible as limited by the OS in order to fully utilize that 1GB RAM system, which was only 1/4th of the OS's theoretical limit. Wild.
referral madness That’s almost 18.5 Exabytes. I’m going to make my own Bill Gates statement here and say that’s all the RAM a user should ever need.
Lol you guys are talking about nothing here. He said up to 4 gb of MEMORY not ram lol
0dium What exactly do you think RAM is?
Microsoft doing sneaky underhanded tactics? Say it isn't so!!!! lol
One of my friends is a XBox fanboy and he hates it when I talk trash about MS.
I think its in everyones best interest to never be a brand loyalist to any corporation. They don't care.
True! Brand loyalty is bullshit.
Or to be a fanboy of anything actually. Don't have heroes. They always disappoint.
No but you can still prefer one product over another
@@kaldo_kaldo I never mentioned anything against that. People can still like a product without sucking corporate cock. For example my DIY PC has a AMD processor, but it doesn't mean I love AMD. It was cheaper than intel and does the job.
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Used DR dos 6 for a while way back when. I now can't remember the detail of why I switched to MS dos only that I kept running into problems using it. Looks Like I was AARD'ed
Whenever I see ASCII art, even in an installer. I get a warm fuzzy feeling
ASCII art is cute.
That's why I love the neofetch command lin Linux cause it makes a ASCII art of your Linux distro
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@@jleuthardt what
@@user-dk9jq6cj7q it says “ASCII” but it looks weird on mobild
Up next: a Windows 10 installation/update breaks dualbooted Linux
Windows automatically overwrites the linux bootloader when it updates
Windows 8 installs happily and doesn't even touch the bootloader.
It always has been
@@petermarshall1634 Really? Is this still a problem with Win10? I was thinking of a dual boot Win10/Kubuntu setup on my next machine, but if Windows still plays this dirty, I might just banish it to a virtual machine, if I ever still need to use it... (though it's not ideal for gaming).
@@petermarshall1634 lel i use a different bootloader partition for windows (shows up as windows boot manager on GRUB)
I loved the multi-tasking and the interface of DR-DOS. Whenever the error message popped up, I hard edited the first few bytes of the boot sector on the hard disk by changing the letters DR to MS. PITA, but it worked.
Thanks for reminding me how disgusting Microsoft really is. I remember living through this nonsense and, as a systems engineer, this whole era was a huge pain in the neck (and some other R-rated places). And just because Microsoft appears to be adopting Linux, don't think for one moment they haven't stopped trying to be the all dominant beast they want to be.
Yep, I refuse to use their Linux subsystem. I stick to open source code for anything that really matters as much as possible (for some things it is almost impossible unfortunately), e.g. some device drivers occasionally. For things that don't matter, I may occasionally use something closed source, e.g. games. The repeated problem that I have found with closed source is that I can't rely on it. There is always some nonsense like this or a forced major update, or a new incompatibility on purpose, and that forced major update often fails to support old hardware drivers, etc... At least when the mainline Linux kernel stops supporting IDE it is still easy to grab the old version, or a fork, of even to fork it yourself for the more programming-inclined.
@@zvxcvxcz the running joke we had in the late 1990's while I was working at an ISP was that "servers don't need GUI." We had a few W95 workstations in the office but the alpha geeks were fully integrated with Slackware 2.0 or Debian 1.3.
We were testing a WinNT 3.51 with IIS 1.0, but it was rubbish compared to Apache 1.2.
what's good is that microsoft can't defeat a giant like Apple (even though their OS sucks too), or even attempt to defeat linux (since all Linux OS' are a group effort always growing due to it being open source)
This scares me because this is probably the next iteration of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. They're going to kill Linux ;(
With how discords tries to fuck libux users in the ass with no legitimate reasons these days I'm starting to suspect microsoft
"The only unencrypted word was AARD, something he used to mark his projects, almost like a serial killer with blood"
Ah yes, I too, use blood to sign my test in school
I did when they pissed me off lol
Hold the fuck up.
Where tf have you been going to school?
@@timurf6392 school? my fingers are usually bleeding in class
R/holup
You're an only child, aren't you?
"...to try and purchase Novell, but to no avail." I see what you did there!
"This isn't how you run a business..."
Actually, yes, it is. At least if you are big enough to get away with it.
the statement implies "this isn't how you *should* run a business"
@@eggyrepublic Does it though? If a business wants to maximize profit, then those in charge of that business will find ways to do so. Other more cutthroat businesses will out compete then if they don't engage in similar behavior. WE don't think they should, but what we think doesn't make them more powerful and profitable, as that is their goal. Simply put...our "should" is not the same as their "should".
@@Voidsworn sorry, but can you just repeat what was originally said in the video? I may have misremembered and can't find the exact timestamp for which this was said for.
@@Voidsworn this is how you run a successful, step on others business.
You don't get that big respecting competition.
You should, tho, strive to NOT be a complete villain while being successful.
But in today's economy you die piss poor or live enough to start stepping on others.
@@lasarousi Capitalism isn't about "respecting competition", never was. To be a small business owner is to play in a game already rigged against you. If these small businesses had started out much earlier, they could have grown into different behemoths and they would be here instead of Walmart and such...then we would have other small businesses complaining about Lasarousimart.
This reminds me of the "cd read error" bug on early version on Win XP when you changed too much hardware and triggered the self destruct. You could never install Win XP on said hard drive ever again UNLESS you did a Linux full format to erase the hidden self destruct data. It was nasty.
Well... now I know what lock my original motherboard.
@@Aes_Saru Yes, I lost 2 days on that crap. Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves
Oh bullshit.
All you had to do was call MS support, tell them you were upgrading hardware, and they would reset the authorized flag. Took a matter of seconds on the phone.
And maybe if people would stop stealing software, like Windows, so much, MS wouldn't have needed to put in such draconian DRM measures which couldn't tell the difference between one person just upgrading their hardware, and one million people trying to use the same OS key.
@@looneyburgmusic Yes it was bull, there was never a cd read error on a brand new XP cd with the hologram verified logo.
@@looneyburgmusic
"fake errors that make your system inoperable are ok because muh piracy"
THIS is the reason why I use Linux whenever I can... Just don't like how MS/Windows chooses to do a ton of crap in background whether you ask it to or not... :-P
This is not true anymore. W10 is light-weight and supports more hardware.
That was not what I meant at all...
Is more how they can force an "upgrade" on you without first asking you whether you'd like the "upgrade" or not... :-P
@@robl4836 light weight? i wouldnt really call using 2 gigs of ram while doing nothing light weight.
@@Kyle-un3ei You'd be surprised how much 'nothing' there is. For example. I'd be annoyed if my computer had say 8GB memory and only 2GB was being used.
@@robl4836 I'd be annoyed if I expected to have 8 gigs to use only to see my system chugging 2-4 gigs of RAM with no windows open
Great video, although you did botch the story a bit at the end. Let me clarify:
Caldera properly never sued Microsoft, the story is a lot more interesting than that!
Caldera had been funded specifically for Linux, and that's what they had in mind, and what they did from the beginning, long before they had anything to do with DOS. The lawsuit against Microsoft wasn't started by Caldera, it was started by Novell, they merely inherited it when they bought DR-DOS. Then the company split up into three Calderas, *before* the lawsuit got anywhere. One, the *actual* Caldera we all remember did some magnificent work with Linux distros, another took over the DOS division, and yet another was left with just one business: The lawsuit.
Then comes the most interesting part of the story. Microsoft saw how effective that lawsuit had been against them, and they decided to use them. Essentially, Microsoft took over Caldera. Not *actual* Caldera, but the Caldera that was behind the lawsuit. Microsoft was now worried more about Linux than about competing DOS products (this was at the time of the Halloween Documents).
So they talked to Caldera, and found a way to funnel money into them without actually buying them (so they could remain separate, and pretend they weren't in control). So, Caldera changed their name, to the SCO Group. Yes, *that* SCO Group. With Darl McBride now as CEO, The SCO Group was officially a patent troll.
So Microsoft used the company that had just successfully sued them as a shell to sue everyone, including IBM, and basically the entire Linux community. The scam was: SCO now owns Linux (because of some old Unix code they had inherited from Novell), if you want to use Linux you need to pay us a 600 dollar license.
Of course, it was all just FUD, but it was somewhat successful, and remains one of the dirtiest things Microsoft ever did, and that's saying a lot, since they've done a lot of it.
RoThotic me too
That's an amazing story. You should collect the data and write an article, it is like 'The Usual Suspects' of the tech industry lol. It's so evil and so clever I'm not even mad, it's just wild. These days ironically I think Apple is even worse than Microsoft in terms of walling users etc, not just in OS but entire ecosystems at mercy of single corporate hegemony. Microsoft definitely missed the boat on this, so Windows Phone, Win8 store/app attempts were too late to compete and ended up just aggravating consumers. I think with Win10 they're trying to boil the frog so to speak by slowly and less aggressively moving things to the Windows store. What they'd love to do is outright kill Win32 standard code support and all non Microsoft app/store capabilities, but that would be too aggressive to be successful, so they dialed things down from Win8 to 10 in how hard they pushed that, and are now trying to use things that worked in the old days by swallowing up competition to achieve these ends. Buying the huge swath of the gaming industry and moving to Gamepass/'Xbox' windows app store, they're moving the chess pieces to eventually try for a complete domination of an industry sector or two. At least linux is so good and easy now that if you just want to run regular PC web/doc/email/media use, something like Ubuntu is easy enough for pretty much anyone to get by with.
@@thorrollosson Good analysis. I agree that Apple now is far worse than Microsoft was in the 90s. Regarding Linux, that has kind of already happened. I've been running Linux exclusively since the late 90s, and it used to be only on a relatively small percentage of servers and enthusiast computers. Now? Everybody has Linux on their Android phone. On their smart watch. On their router. On pretty much every server on earth. On SpaceX rockets. Sure, Linux on the Desktop didn't happen, but the Desktop itself is dying. If you look at PC gaming, it is going to be all-Linux within 10 years. Steam is pushing hard for that to happen, and AMD is helping a lot with quality drivers. The game devs also sea de appeal. Most apps have already moved onto the web, so people that just used their computers for text processing and spreadsheets don't really care about what OS they use as long as it can access Google Drive. The only thing tying some people to Windows are specialized applications, such as CAD, Photoshop, etc, and those are the most obvious candidates to be ported. Those people need performance, and Windows doesn't really handle a threadripper very gracefully.
@@user-sn8oe5sb1b
It's all going to be linux in 10 years? Lol. That's a good one.
@@harkovdent5707 Oi. We can dream. Windows Comes with so much bloatware and background telemetry it's not even funny anymore, but because I play direct x games and proton doesn't properly support all of them, I have to use windows. Hopefully nvidia pulls their head out of their ass and cooperates with the Linux kernel in the future.
Incredible how none of those criminals were jailed.
Law don’t get updated unless shit hits the fan
Come on. It's scummy but not prison worthy. America already has some of the highest incarceration rates in the world lmao
@@miguelzavaleta1911 I'm very sure there are laws against these practices and that's another problem. The incarceration rate is LOW for white color crime.
@@deathdoor *white collar. But yeah, I guess you're right. This is more of an issue where we should ease the other laws, though, not make these tougher to make up for it.
Possibly the only illegal conduct was building monopoly and competition got 200 mil., but better ask Legal Eagle.
Microsoft still hasn't changed their tactics. The May 2019 windows update included malware (openly admitted to, but spun positively of course) to prevent the use of the most overused bluetooth handshake codes (I forget what the proper name is). Normally they warn hardware manufacturers 2-4 months in advance so they can make the needed changes and push out a patch. This time they didn't warn 4 months in advance, or even 2 months. They didn't even warn 1 day in advance. The day the update came out people's hardware just stopped working (unless it used rarer codes).
Even worse it caused blue screen of death (on Win 8.1 at least). The shitty walmart-exclusive company that made my wireless mouse just skipped town rather than deal with programming fixes for 100% of their product line while 100% of their userbase was tying up customer support with angry calls.
Luckily for me I was able to argue at walmart's customer support desk that "since it was a walmart-exclusive brand that made it walmart's problem since the actual manufacturer had gone dark". Walmart does such a bad job of cultivating worker loyalty that the people at the returns desk don't take much effort to convince.
Huh, this explains why my laptop just suddenly no longer functioned with my headset and why I couldn't find any info relating to the headset and windows... it was a new error. Welp, good job windows! as that was the last straw before I switched its OS. Windows10 on it was extreamly slow and buggy anyway, fucking lagged just trying to watch a video at 60 FPS no matter the browser. Linux console shit is annoying to have to deal with(I don't use linux on my main PC so yeah, it was new to me lol) but that's SO much better then dealing with the lagging, glitching, and crashing that cursed install had
This was in a time when I wasn't paying anything for dos or Windows. It was just shared between friends. Watching this, I have no regrets for my business model at that time.
So do you pay for Windows now?
You do know that you pay Microsoft with your personal data, do you?
As we pay google...
@@jpt3640 That is true. Microsoft does it twice. I bought windows 10 after building a new pc, and I pay with my data.
Microsoft: "Why doesn't anyone like us?"
Also Microsoft: "Let's crash people's computers on purpose!"
And encrypt the code to prove that it was intentional and malicious
To be fair, it didn't crash anything. I simply flat out lied with the intention to deceive in Microsoft's favor. That's just as bad, morally, but not technically. It's important to stick to the actual facts, because otherwise the next generation who does something illegal like this may actually cost someone their data and they'll believe they're not doing anything new when in fact they are.
Except I recall when the Microsoft haters bought into Google's "don't be evil" bs and held Google as angelic darlings. But now Google is the one being sued right and left for bad business practices. So I don't pub a lot of regard in the views of the MS haters, I've read too much slashdot over the years to not know you guys are full of your own baloney and hypocrisy. lol
@@babybirdhome Windows ME crashed a lot.
@@Dumb_Killjoy there a difference between intentionally creating instability, and your code just being crap.
Windows Me is the latter.
Now the self destruct code is called Window's Update.
"Do not try and trace into this routine, you will die."
Good stuff.
What is this quote from?
@@Guts-the-Berserker 17:41
My disappointment that this isn't pronounced "Doctor DOS" knows no bounds.
1+
That's what we called it back then anyways
He could of got of got a +1 nolstagia boost...
No one ever called it D R DOS in my day. It was always Dr DOS
@@sergeant5848 Back in the day, even I knew enough about it to say D-R DOS. Digital Research created the awesome CP/M operating system for pre-IBM PCs, they also created versions for x86 PCs, then moved on to make it MS-DOS compatible. DR returning to the PC OS game was a big thing.
I used MS-DOS 6 and it had a GUI and QBASIC which was a modular version of BASIC. All and all not a bad package.
"Self destruction code" = Windows Update
Right. I received several "updates" after the end of support for Windows 7; these updates carried some serious malware,......
@@fairwinds610 er, if it was after EoL there would be no updates
@@fairwinds610 Your windows update probably got hacked
are updates even needed ?
@@white_african_9731 Just like how your apps and phone gets updates your computer needs those updates too. Apps, Operating systems and many more are written by humans and humans tend to make mistakes that needs to be fixed asap. As for Windows the first thing to fix is the broken ass update system that we have since XP or so.
Contemporary example of MS's unscrupulous tactics: Firing almost all update & beta testers (approx 9000) and just hastily shipping out updates using end-users as testers. Saving bulk $$ in the process while creating headaches for anyone running Win 10. Source: Barnacles YT channel (Ex MS employee)
Windows 10 literally is an prealpha in eternal early access
It would be unscrupulous if they didn't build another process to replace those beta testers, which they did. It would be unscrupulous if they weren't working to improve on that process (I don't know if they are, and I also don't know if they aren't). But one thing this results in is that problems get fixed faster and bugs don't exist for as long. And when done correctly, they also impact fewer people. What the cost is to the end user is dependent entirely upon whether or not those end users are using well known best practices or whether they're flying by the seat of their pants with no safety harnesses.
The worst part about this approach is that, due to the overall greater impact to enterprises when bugs hit their networks, ordinary consumers are the ones who wind up doing the testing. And those consumers are the ones least likely to know or understand, or even be able to afford to follow those well known best practices. The unscrupulous part is that the testing now rests on the shoulders of those in the least privileged position to be able to shoulder that burden, all to benefit others who are in a far better position to be able to do so. That actually is pretty repugnant.
Yes, they call it "windows/M$ insider program": A smart way to have people working for big multinational corporations for free. With the advent of fast internet, millions of people, called "enthusiasts" are eager enough to become guinea-pigs for them. More and more companies are implementing this method in their work strategies.
I decided to install a feature upgrade at least 3 month after it becomes available for my home machine. As for my work: at least 6 months if not a year.
@@NBDY-lp9vp not just those on the the insider program, ALL Windows 10 users. Every Windows error and crash is sent back to MS as you can't turn off telemetry and bug reporting fully without some pretty low level "modifications" or use an app like O&O Shut Up 10. Obviously MS get bombarded with errors so they have to get a significant hit of one specific error for them to address it. If you're using some obscure old legacy program or hardware then you're probably fresh out of luck.
Why pay for R&D when you can get paid by testers to do R&D for you?
as i sit here next to a tshirt compressed in 97 from PakTites advertising beter compression. i wondered what had happened to my old beloved friend, Novel Dos 7. thank you for helping my bad memory relearn history
Disgusting. Low life tactics. Typical really.
@Skyler Yarger And these days, Epic is openly copying that approach. Things never change, do they?
Don't hate the player, hate the game
Microsoft has always had extremely predatory business practices.
Low life is tbe future and vice versa
But hey lets trust the founder of this bs with vaccines. #what-can-go-wrong.png
Many of us suspected that Soundblaster used similar incompatibility tricks to get ahead.
I even suspect a bit nvidia too. I recommended to a few friends to buy AMD cards, and they cursed me how could I recommend that shit of a product. I reinstalled their computers (I wanted to DDU, but they wanted a clean install anyway) and guess what, it works flawlessly!
I don't know whos fault it is, but f everyone involved! MS for making this possible, that one driver breaks the other, nvidia for not making a proper uninstaller, and amd for not making a proper installer. Why do we need to reinstall a computer or use third party tools to clean up junk?
@@SzDavidHUN I've always been an android+windows+nvidia+Intel guy.
But i gotta say that nvidia and Intel have gone waaaaay overpriced and downhill.
AMD currently sweeps Intel completely under the table in CPUs, and they've made insane gains in GPUs.
heh, creative. they had some fine businessmen, that's for sure.
@@fake12396 You could say they were a bit _creative_ with the rules.
Oh rly?
Wow what a memory lane that was. I remember driving all over Phoenix AZ to get a copy of DRDOS in 1990 or so to bring back to Canada with me because of its great memory management stuff. Poor old Gary Kildall was the ultimate loser in this. I found a somewhat ragged biography of his online a few years ago , such a sad ending to a promising individual.
If you check MP/M and its multi tasking/multi user serving capabilities you will be surprised. Of course, Xenix (UNIX) from MS existed but it was a very high end workstation OS requiring very good hardware.
Sweet goodness! A Non-fatal Error Occurred!
Read the Rues for the giveaway. "To qualify to enter this competition you must be resident in the United Kingdom and aged over 18 years" . "By entering this prize draw, you are providing your data, including contact details, to Fasthosts which may be used for marketing purposes".
A resident outside of the UK will just be giving their contact information to Fasthosts for marketing purposes with no chance of winning the "prize".
I wonder how many "confidential" emails were exchanged in setting up this "Contest"?
Honestly, a warning about it being UK only should be pinned in comments or mentioned at the start, was kinda pissed when I knew the answer without looking up just to find out it's region restricted... given the fact it was asking only for postal code without country was a red flag.
Oh and the drawing will be 02/11/2020 nice LOL
@@bull24471_va whats wrong with the 2nd of November?
Brexit
Their Ts & Cs also say, "Your information will not be shared with third parties. If you do not wish to receive marketing emails, you will be given the opportunity to unsubscribe. We will not contact you for marketing purposes unless you have given us your prior consent." ... "Entry into the competition will be deemed as acceptance of these terms and conditions."
I've been usng the same email for 15 years, I'm not that fussed at this stage :D
I used to hear rumors that at Microsoft it was said that new versions of DOS weren't finished until Lotus 123 stopped working.
'Notes: Do not try and trace into this routine, you will die.'
love it
I SAW THAT TOO IM LAUGHING SO HARD
And people wonder why most tech people hate Microsoft and see them as evil
Hated: Fixed - Today Microsoft is a totally another company
@@jamesjameslee8217 why fixed? I don't think so.
Why? They're just maximising profits BY ANY MEANS. That's what companies do, every single one of them
How is this any different from what other companies proudly label as "vertical integration" today?
@@jamesjameslee8217 Microsoft still practices slimy underhanded tactics... Let me give a small example that I've recently encountered. Microsoft Office no longer has autosave unless you use One Drive... Want to use Google drive but keep your documents continuously saved? Tough shit. Office used to autosave to any folder.
When I was a kid I knew that Windows 95/98 were just glorified DOS applications! I was incredibly upset when Windows XP pretty much got rid of DOS as I suddenly could not play several DOS games or use certain DOS utilities.
Not only can you now un DOSBOX, a lot of old games on Steam are bundled with their own pre-configured copy of it.
of course you would skip windows me :))
When a software company dedicates itself to the pursue of pure greed instead of building the best software possible, it's not really surprising that they resort to this filthy tactics. A business dedicated to build good software wouln't fear the competition, they would push themselves into making better code.
I have no doubts that if microsoft, with their gigantic resources, cared about making good products, today they would be infinitely better. Instead, they choosed to be world-class assholes. They never cared about optimization, or security, or respecting their users.
A pity that people like this thrives in this world. A clear signal of how fuck'd up it is.
Well said, I completely agree with you.
Steve Jobs may have been an asshole, but at least he cared about his software and would have been embarrassed to release anything that wasn't as good as possible. While he didn't invent the GUI, he took concepts that Xerox engineers would have abandoned and refined them into something special. He forced his software engineers to come up with better ways of utilising hardware to create as seamless an experience as possible.
Then Bill Gates came and made a half-baked copy which became Windows, and we're stuck with his horrible legacy to this day. He didn't even copy all the good bits, only just enough to make it barely usable.
Just imagine how advanced humanity would be now if Gates hadn't made it his own personal mission to destroy every single great idea that Microsoft couldn't copy? Makes me sad thinking about it.
@@Microwave_Dave What a crock of crap. Apple shafts it's customers in many and varied ways for financial gain. Want to repair an apple product - nah, not allowed. Want to have your device rendered obsolete by a software upgrade? Choose Apple. Want to run Windows10 on a 12 year old Sony Vaio laptop with 2Gb RAM - no problems, installs just fine. Want to run IOS on thae same device? I don't know why anyone would want to, but you can't do it anyway.
They choosed, did they? How about you learn to spell before expectin anyone to take your twisted view seriously.
@@einfelder8262 "it's" = "it is". Learn to use apostrophes before criticising somebody's spelling. Also "expecting" has a "g" at the end.
I never mentioned what Apple does now, only what Steve Jobs did in the past. I already said he's as asshole, what makes you think I was praising Apple now? All the horrible business practices Apple do now were copied from Microsoft's playbook of how to run a locked-in monopoly.
Without Steve Jobs perfecting the earlier Xerox ideas, Windows would never have happened. Android wasn't originally intended to use touch screens, but then changed tack after the iPhone was released. Apple do lots of shitty things, but they definitely innovated where Microsoft didn't, unless you count their failed Windows Mobile platform.
Your example of a 12 year old Sony VAIO couldn't be more wrong. I have one here that Windows 10 turned into a useless brick. The Win 10 installer overwrote its Recovery partition without warning, erasing its original Win 7 install and custom driver repository. Win 10 doesn't have drivers for its GPU, webcam, or fan controller, so the thing runs like absolute crap with the fans at full blast and can't be used for its intended purpose. Even if you can find drivers for the GPU and webcam, they won't install on Win 10. Can't easily revert back to Win 7 because Win 10 erased the recovery partition and drivers.
Stop being a fanboy who praises mediocrity. When you're older you'll realise how pathetic it is.
@@Microwave_Dave it's is 100% correct for possessive so pull your head in.
My father was an OEM during the early 90s and he installed DR-DOS instead of MS-DOS because it was cheaper and equivalent, unless the client specifically asked and paid for the later. Until Windows 3.1 came along. He also installed Novell Netware (DR-DOS successor) for corporate clients for it's networking support as it was just better than standard DOS and Win 3.11 wouldn't become the standard for servers for quite some time.
Novell Netware is not actually a successor. It was a different product, but many parts were included in DR DOS after thd acquisition. Netware was a filesharing solution based on IPX.
@@gbraadnl Well it was a really long time ago and I was a kid so memory may have betrayed me. But Novell did have the same features as MS-DOS (with some differences) + networking. Maybe I'm thinking about a different product of theirs.
@@trinidad17 netware 3.x was a big competitor to lan manager, but yeah... No worries, my memory ain't what it used to be either ;-).
Afterwards, Novell did NDS what caused Microsoft to scramble and add Active Directory. It has been a game of catch-up between them for quite some time.
Even on win 3.11, I ran Novell ip drivers. They seemed to work better and had less networking issues at the time.
I used i386/Windows 3.1 combination. The underlying DOS and the free sub 640KB was really important and I am sure DR-DOS was better.
Very slick transition into the advertisement for your sponsor.........was half way through watching it before I released what I was watching lol.
Microsoft: Let's annoy people so they decide to pirate DOS out of spite. LOL
They would rather you pirate their product than legitimately have a competitor's product (free or paid).
Microsoft’s domination was due to people bringing copies of Windows and office back home. Without that type of causal copying of Microsoft products, things may well have looked very different.
Same thing with video game and DVD region locks...it make the illegal pirated version have more utility than the legit version so more people copy it.
@@brentfisher902 The region locks also won't stop big pirates with resources and know-how for defeating such measures -- they just hurt individual consumers who just naively expect that they can freely use what they paid for.
@@Lucius_Chiaraviglio Statism is slavery.
I seem to recall, while I was in University, another student being happy when DOS 6 was coming out since it had the drive compression tool which would effectively double the amount of capacity on the drive (I'm pretty sure you'd get less than double depending on what it actually contained). After DOS 6 came out I asked him about it and he said it had been a mess and he was busily trying to revert his system to how it had been previously.
I did that on a Windows 95 computer, because I was a kid and wanted more space for games. It worked great.... for about a week. Then it corrupted tthe C Drive.
DBLSPACE.COM (I think it was a .com file instead of a .exe) gave us close to double. We had a 180 MB HDD with a bit over 300 MB of capacity.
Disadvantages? Well, of course performance took a hit and you better not have too many power outages without running a "scandisk" in between.
@@GemmaLB Wow, that must've been interesting... we only used compression on Win 3.1 over Dos 6. My dad and brother (my mom had more Amiga experience during the 90s) weren't adventurous enough to use compression with Windows 95. It was already running on a knifes-edge of stability.
90s era drive compression was like playing Russian roulette with your hard drive. I tried it for a few days and got infuriated with the performance degradation; I decompressed the drive and everything went back to normal. Several of my friends weren't so lucky and had total drive corruption.
Could have known before. After all, it was a ms product.
As a kid i bought a 2.88 floppy drive.
Since I couldn't find floppies i just used 1.44 punching a hole.
Used to be a great data grave, especially when compressed using arj because it used solid compression. A single flipped bit would render the remainder of the archive garbage, even spanning multiple disks.
Listening to this about windows running unnecessary calculations if MSDOS is not detected, makes me think they just wanted to make sure their code appeared fastest, ie windows with ms-dos would bench mark faster than windows with dr-dos. And I'd bet there was a full page glossy ad somewhere describing exactly that.
I got into so many arguments about whether Windows 95 was an operating system or a shell. Almost nobody agreed with me then, that since changing a 1 to a 0 in CONFIG.SYS meant Windows 95 did not load and left you in MS-DOS that Windows was a shell. Not only was I right, I was on to Microsoft's evil schemes!
2 B specific, Windows 95 was a rather poorly-engineered mishmash of a thinly-veiled ripoff of the Apple Macintosh GUI, an easily-upset hybrid of the 16-bit Windows 3.x engine + a newer version of Win32s (older versions of which were already in circulation B4 Windows 95) plus an embarassingly unstable software implementation of Plug And Play hardware resource / driver management -- all running on top of MS-DOS 7.0 (which early releases of Windows 95 would correctly identify as such if U ran VER from the command prompt). I've run installations of Win3.11 + Intel PnP Manager + Win32s that ran *far* more smoothly than the inital release of Win95; the only real substantial difference is the Windows GUI & the device driver issue (since Win3.x & Win95 drivers R usually not interchangeable).
The amazing thing isn't that Windows 95 users encountered so many OS issues upon its launch; the amazing thing is that Win95 ever managed 2 run @ all (@ least until Win95 OSR2 came out).
@@zenkim6709 I'll need to disagree with you, the real difference is that preemptive multitasking was brought to Win32 applications.
@@eDoc2020 ... yes, the Win95/98 preemptive multitasking system was a nice improvement.
...WHEN IT WORKED.
A major issue Windows users soon encountered following the debut of Win95 was that the preemptive multitasking model had a major Achilles Heel: it was literally powerless if 1 or more Windows processes were 16-bit Win3.x apps & *any* of them either locked up or simply "hogged" the system.
This was only compounded by the fact that Microsoft's initial minimum recommended system specs were *far* too optimistic, resulting in countless PC users discovering the "joys" of swapfile thrashing as Windows 95 kept trying 2 juggle its virtual memory manager w/ constrictive amounts of system RAM. Combine this w/ unstable Win95 applications & wonky device drivers ... & what U got was either Welcome To Crash & Burn City or the world's most infuriating staring contest as U waited 4 an apparently unresponsive Windows process 2 just *do anything*.
@@zenkim6709 I used to write Win16 apps on Windows 98SE and with my programming skills that indeed led to many system crashes. Once I switched to compiling for Win32 most of my problems went away. Rather, most of the system crashes went away. I still got many illegal operation messages.
All Win9x operating systems are kinda both a shell and an operating system.
Only when XP and 2000 when Windows fully turned into a GUI-based OS and no longer just a GUI shell for a DOS backend.
Therefore, Windows 95, 98, and Me are kinda still shells.
I thought it was DoctorDOS this whole time, and thought "Wow, Dr. Mario has his own OS?"
The more I hear about MS doing garbage like this the less I feel bad about what Netscape did to them. It's not fun when you are on the receiving end, yes?
What did netscape do?
@@700gsteak Netscape sued MS for including Internet Explorer in the operating system, giving them an "unfair advantage". Personally, I didn't really agree with that, because most all internet browsers were free, and it just seemed silly at the time. But the government raked them over the coals for it.
There were plenty of other things MS/Bill Gates did that were worth going to jail for, but never did!
They finally wised up and realized that the reason the government went after them was because they weren't paying for lobbyists to sit in DC and advocate against consumer interests.
Don't get me wrong, I am not against capitalism, but I detest "crony capitalism", which is where big business gets big government to help them destroy small businesses.
@@daninraleigh
It sounds like Netscape lost. IE has always been included with Windows, since Win 95 OSR2. I had heard that in Europe, it was decide that MS should remove IE and MS responded with that is not possible since it is part of the OS.
These days, the only people who use Edge and IE are corporations. They are a little slow in the head. They can't set aside MS products or Intel products.
@@jbird4478
It's not difficult for MS to design a file explorer that is not related to IE. If Apple can do it, if the Linux community can do it, then so can MS. I think the MS executives were smart and new that there was going to be an upcoming court case. After all, MS spends most of their time in court cases, so they have built up immunity.
@@jbird4478
Even if there is going to be the same functions in 2 applications, there is no technical reason to have iexplore.exe around and to claim that it is an integral part of the OS. The goal was for MS to claim that IE had to be shipped with Win 95 and all subsequent versions since they didn't have a choice.
VICAR: But it says something about filling my mouth in with cement.
MR. DEVIOUS: Oh well, that's just insurance jargon, you know.
-- _Monty Python,_ s2e4
This sneaky tactic sounds similar to how Google does not allow LBRY (a TH-cam competitor) in its playstore since TODAY.
Hm....
I smell antitrust lawsuit.
@@ThZuao i hope so. I also hope this will popularize LBRY more too
Good.
or Apple not allowing Steam's in-home game streaming app because it competes with their game store
@@judaspreistvlct LBRY is just a TH-cam competitor
When I learned how DOS6.xx was far more powerful than Windows, I finally broke that weird wall between good times as a gamer, and frustrating disappointments with Win games ^^ as long as you understood IRQ conflict resolution, you finally had access to the world of awesome(at the time), all those batch files, and 'pseudo fast' display cards, optimization was the key, getting every last kb of code put somewhere safely, and trying to keep it that way...that might have been the real fun, lol.
"Call Apogee Say Aardwolf" takes on a new meaning with this information. As a kid looking through Wolfenstein 3-D's sprites in debug mode, I used to think it just sounded vaguely like something the enemies would yell. Now I wonder if it was referring to this. Sounds like a joke a 90s programmer would have made.
2megabytes should be enough memory for you no matter what happens in the future🤣🤣
Ah yes. Good old Microsoft of Borg.
Scum all the way down. Ironic that they've now managed to become the lesser evil.
Still, never forget their mission statement:
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
The shattered corpses of their competitors certainly remembered.
I have a huge problem with that "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" mentality as it was the motivation for the old Microsoft to handle things, not necessary the new one.
The whole Linux community seems to act like we are still in the early 90's in that regard, being ultra paranoid about MS, totally against anything that could harm their beloved system and super conservative.
It's true that Bill Gates' actions lead to what the PC market eventually became - including Apple to some extent - but nowadays the market changed so much that even they sometimes struggle to keep up.
@@MegaManNeo WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEB
the lesser evil? They are STILL the same bastard monopolists. Take off your pink tinted glasses and do a reality check.
@@ximrade4287 what?
At least MS only wanted to control your computer. Today's evil companies control so much more of your life and are every bit as ruthless and underhanded.
DR-DOS = Digital Research DOS, originally was going to be called "Concurrent DOS 286"
Nothing really changed... Ms as well as many other companies do still use these artificial errors to force users into using some specific software or hardware configuration.
Apple is really good at that and still considered the good guys because of it
Like some Internet Explorer devs complaining how Google did sabotage internet compatibility with Chrome browser.
@@XantheFIN Those guys should have moved on from IE years ago, even work doesn't support IE anymore
@romaneeconti02 I work for a health insurance company, nothing we use is supported on IE anymore, there may be a few external sites some need but we have Citrix for that. we only support Chrome/Edge and Safari
@romaneeconti02 We do that everyday plus faxing to cities, states and providers, all on Win10 and macOS, everything has migrated to Chrome/Edge, unfortunately we still need java for some systems, and don't see it going away soon.
Microsoft have always been petty in relation to competition. I remember when it was physically impossible to download the netscape installer through internet explorer for years. It makes it even more funnier that the microsoft website was hosted on linux servers for a few years before people started to take notice and they changed it back 😁
They still do... Their entire Azure line of products runs on Linux. Not a secret.
Any proofs of that?
@@IkarusKommt www.zdnet.com/article/linux-now-dominates-azure/
@@IkarusKommt I'm pretty sure that it's mentioned on Microsoft's own website in the Azure set up documentation.
Microsoft has been pretty vocal about their support of Linux and other open source projects. They are one of the Linux Foundations biggest donors, in terms of money and actual code.
They've restructured the company and changed their business model.
Likely because Microsoft's IIS was such a mess ... those were a popular target in the 90s/early 2000s for hacking/backdooring so one could install a FTP service on those machines to host warez.
that was a great video man, I like the document displays so I can pause and read them.. I'm glad you have the time to do this because it is very interesting to me- and obviously, others :)
"To qualify to enter this competition you must be resident in the United Kingdom and aged over 18 years." - might have been worth saying that in the promo
It's a data mining scam. Revealing that would be counter-productive.
microsoft when they thought they could lose some money: "HELL YEAH LETS MAKE OUR PRODUCT WORSE!"
TOMORROW NEVER DIES (released 1997, at 19:30 into the film):
Elliot Carver: Mr Jones, are we ready to release our new software?
Mr Jones: Yes sir. As requested it's full of bugs; which means people will be forced to upgrade for years.
Carver: Outstanding.
You explained one of the reasons why I've completely banned Micro$oft Window$ from all of my computers with one exception: some VMs.
I run everything on Linux Mint or Ubuntu Unity.
I thought the Windows self-destruct code was
..well just using Windows, lol
Back in those days, it really was. You reformatted yearly. LOL
Remember when you could reformat your own computer? That was nice.
@@tsm688 you still can. why wouldn't you? just don't have to.
haven't had to reinstall win10 since it came out, keeps working fine.
@@miwoj not the same for me. I have to reformat every year, haven’t had much luck with windows 10
I remember this, we had DR DOS, seeing that scary error message and thinking wtf!
Having lived through this time like most it is fascinating to get the picture of what was really going on, most of it is just a distant memory. And you are correct what a time to be alive
About the contest: "To qualify to enter this competition you must be resident in the United Kingdom"
thx
UK only giveaways
Meh, I don't bother then... I could really use a faster desktop setup though :-/ I don't even need 5000$, just like 500$ for it...
I'm sure they will keep your private data anyway :)
Otherwise they would have prevented you from entering them in the first place.
@frionx ow lol, dont mind me. This is something else entirely.
Ill be taking my leave..
Ah, indeed... The Aard code...
The ancestor of the greatly famous Vark code.
And it is strangely similar to the Ant code and it's descendant Eater code, yet is actually completely unrelated.
DR-DOS: exists
Windows: *I WILL INITIATE SELF DESTRUCT*
Remember the ACPI Bios "bug"? The one that someone discovered that the computer motherboard checked to see what OS was running on their hardware. If it was running older versions of WIndows it would give out faulty lookup tables (or something like this) for telling the OS how to suspend, talk to sensors, etc. so when users contacted support they would be told to upgrade their OS. BUT!! If you ran Linux it would deliberately send false data to the OS attempting to crash the kernel. The guy programming the code that helped laptops in Linux suspend and hibernate got suspicious and would make his ACPI client tell the hardware it was Windows. That worked for a while and then glitches started again. Turned out the Bios eventually was actively looking to see if it was running a Linux kernel and try to crash it. Once someone discovered this he made a simple one or two line fix to the bios and people could patch their board to disable this check but that was not the end. As I recall the Federal Industry regulators moved in fast as in order to be considered a ACPI compatible motherboard, you had to follow very strict policies that this clearly breached. Board manufacturers had updates within a few days because they were that spooked that they would be sued massively for this.
Anyway, I managed to google the original thread that started this whole thing. ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
Holy crap, I had a weird bug in my dual boot computer back then that drove me crazy. When I booted in Linux, it ran alright except hibernate and suspend did not work. But then when I boot Windows, the OS would full on freeze within 5 minutes, then run properly again after a reboot. I was expecting something fucky happening in the hardware that back fired into Windows.
Welp, that contest lost me at "enter your phone number"
Gates, who is retiring from his day-to-day role at Microsoft Corp. on June 30, also insisted in a 2001 interview with U.S. News & World Report that he hadn't made the comment. "Do you realize the pain the industry went through while the IBM PC was limited to 640K? The machine was going to be 512K at one point, and we kept pushing it up," he told the magazine. "I never said that statement - I said the opposite of that."
I was working in the industry during these events and in fact I discovered this code myself at the time... Microsoft's behaviour here, and their behaviour during the browser wars that followed, ultimately lead me to decide that I didn't want anything to do with them moving forward, and Windows 95 was the last version of Windows I used. I migrated to Linux in 1998, and I have never looked back... have not used Windows since, and it has never presented an issue.... I cant imagine a reason I would want to use Windows now.
Although I agree with your perspective, expressions of satisfaction from the Linux side does not make any more sense with Windows addicts than satisfaction from the Apple side. Windows addicts are case studies in despair, driven by the impulse to spend more money with Windows because of money already spent with Windows. They know there probably is something better, but find it more convenient to surrender to old habits.
@@bobgreene2892 I don't think it has anything to do with money, but more with intellectual capital. Windows is not free, but most people don't know that the system is set up so that the price they pay for a new PC includes the price of Windows.... and Linux actually is free, but most people don't understand how, or why and so perceive it as a lesser OS because of that. Also, most Windows users immediately try to run Windows programs on Linux and unsurprisingly discover that is not as easy, and sometimes does not have great results.... it's almost as if the ability to run some Windows programs confuses them and they think that's what it's for! I'm sure this is not an issue when switching to Mac, as they are not aware that the same tools that allow some Windows programs to run on Linux, also work on Mac! It's a little bizarre, obviously both platforms have their own native apps, and Windows cannot run Mac or Linux programs making it immediately less functional than either of those platforms.
In any case, tho,.... it's about intellectual capital, not money... People feel that they know Windows and so they will be better off sticking with it.... probably all of them know someone who is more experienced with Windows than them so they feel like they have some support in the event of problems. True or not... I don't see any benefit in persuading someone who doesn't have reason to switch, that they should use Linux. I content myself with highlighting the fact that there are options, after all some people would reject Mac on price alone, Apple computers are much more expensive than standard PC's.
@@JamesLewis Thank you for that. My mention of the financial factor is its prominent role in choosing Windows over Mac and other operating systems, especially in the early years. Money began to dominate the decision when OEMs, under Microsoft pressure, optioned only Windows for their hardware. For even the majority of consumers, to leave a Windows computer and its suite of applications to migrate to any other system became synonymous with abandoning their Windows investment. Microsoft struggled through people like Steve Balmer to persuade the budget-minded that Windows was the only option of practical value.
Youve also likely not used any of hundreds of programs that dont run on linux, or are running virtual windows to do so.
Its easy to say you dont run windows when all you need is a TI82, not a computer thats useful for any work that requires literally any advanced editing software, or playing 90% of games these days.
Look, i get you, its nice, but it doesnt get the job done, i cant spend hundreds of hours writing programs just to simulate windows so i can use the programs i need to use, i want it to just work when i press a button.
@@drawapretzel6003 Honestly, you don't surprise me with that response... it's absolutely typical of the response I often get from Windows users. If I didn't think about it, I might make the same comment from the opposite perspective, since there are a great many amazing tools I use on Linux that aren't available on Windows... I will absolutely grant you that since the bulk of "desktop" users are on Windows, it did take longer for certain applications to develop, and editing video specifically has not always been great, but my personal requirements have always been met, and many of the tools created on Linux initially are now ubiquitous on Windows too (and probably some are the tools you are referring to that you think I don't have access to!)... Tools such as OBS, Ardour, Shotcut, Audacity, and many others. Personally OBS and Shotcut meet my needs for Video, and Audacity combined with some Linux native real time effects software meet my needs for Audio... If my needs became more professional I could look to Blender and Lightworks among others (Please do search "Spring - Blender Open Movie" on TH-cam). I do not run Windows under emulation, although the API translation layer "wine" (analogous to, but much more advanced than Cygwin) , and other related tools now integrated into Steam Play (and other tools) have allowed me to play non-native games for MANY years, also, speaking of games... perhaps this screenshot I made will bring home how capable these tools are:- twitter.com/NetLore/status/1283553850415251459. On the other side however, you should recognise that Linux absolutely dominates virtually every space other than desktop.
So, while I am quite open that ideology has become a factor in my sticking exclusively to Linux, there was a time when I had both Windows and Linux on the same machine... and I found myself gravitating towards Linux over time, because it better met my needs, was considerably more stable, and made much better use of my hardware than Windows. I did not make a conscious decision to switch, I simply realised that I had not booted Windows for 6 months... and when I found myself needing more disk space at some point, it got deleted and I've never looked back.
I also do not advocate that others switch to Linux, I do like to make people aware that they have options other than Windows.... because as you highlighted so well, there is a lot of misunderstanding, and misinformation out there, and simply dumping a Windows user on Linux will result in a culture shock that will be a negative experience for that user if they are not prepared to put in some effort and research.
Ahh, so modern Intel and Nvidia clearly learned from how Microsoft became incredibly successful and used the same tactics.
Guess you don’t make billions by playing fair.
Amd is better at cpu market hopefully they re Much better on gpu market
@@johnryu9385 Oh yeah, AMD is absolutely killin' it right now. They still only have a fraction of the overall market but I'm hoping they can continue gaining fast while not allowing the success and money corrupt them like Intel. Also... hope they don't get lazy like Intel.... haha. Only reason they've pulled ahead is due to Intel not needing to innovate without competition.
And yeah.... I'm really, REALLY hoping they can finally catch up in the desktop/datacenter GPU market. I think that's going to be a much harder fight, though. Nvidia, while shady and greedy have at least been doing good work pushing technology forward.
It is not playing unfair. It is making your hardware and software only work with your products or legally licensed products. They dont need to give out their APIs to their competition.
And don't forget apple/ google
@@common_c3nts Not sure if you're being a troll, but that is grounds for an anti-trust lawsuit according to Microsoft's own government. So yes, it is playing dirty.
I was very disappointed how windows stopped with the eye candy themes that had originally setup with windows 7. When they included those visual features, I thought to myself, "this is what truly makes Windows! It's like a nice car with a beautiful body to show its elegant performance and show how advanced it is."
So dirty. And also preventable. If Microsoft had just been upfront and listed MS-DOS as a requirement for Windows, instead of trying to force it not to run, they would have faced way less trouble in regards to public perception I think, while still having a similar effect. OEMs wouldn't want to sell computers with an incompatible software configuration, whether it works or not. Instead they had to shoot themselves in the foot. And then do similar things over and over again for decades.
No one "forced it not to run". It was an informational message in the beta build, which gives clear instructions about its nature.
@@IkarusKommt uhm yeah, totally. Just a very upfront and honest message... no bad intentions here.
@@littleloner1159 It tells beta users to contact the beta tech support, so they would know non-genuine DOS was used. What bad intentions again?
@@IkarusKommt did you watch the video?
They didn't do what you suggest because it is illegal.
13:28 It is if you don’t have effective free-market competition.
In a situation where the users lack detailed knowledge of the quality of the product, a “market for lemons” effect takes over as they go for the (perceived) safe option, and mediocrity prevails over innovation.
"market for lemons". I had to look this up to see if it wasn't something you made up. It's not. Interesting read. Thanks.
There's no such entity as a free market. MS grew unfairly dominant in the real world of a capitalist society.
The "free market" is a corporate trick
Nice video, i had no idea of this. Really bold move to hurt DR-DOS...
I wish they released the WinGlue/WinBolt tooling, would love to restore a bit of justice and have my retro system run on DR-Dos to see how well it would work :D
it would work fine. DR DOS never was UNABLE to run windoze. the error message was a fake.
I remember jimall getting up on stage at our org all hands in 2002 and, after playing a pretty decent guitar riff, screaming 'Linux is the devil' over and over again. Glad to know it had precedent.
I also always wondered why Microsoft tried so hard to hide that Windows 95 still ran on DOS, even though it was now bundled. I guess this is why. It also may have brought up similar monopoly issues to what they faced later with IE if they would have marketed Windows 95 as including DOS 7 rather than as a standalone OS.
A couple of hundred million in a settlement was just a drop in the ocean to Microsoft. Leave you to wonder what else is baked in to the latest Windows 10.
3:24 should have been “... try and purchase Novell ... but to no-a-vell.”
The first computer I bought came with DR-DOS, and I loved it. I spent many hours reading the massive manual included. Sadly, the Windows 3.1 fiasco forced me to switch to MS-DOS, if I'd know about this whole AARD chicanery I would have used it longer.
So...going by Microsoft's own history and current practices, we need to be worried about the Linux Foundation and the Linux kernel.
The Linux foundation is meant for good deed. Microsoft never said that
i believe microsoft is somewhat funding the linux foundation (just like many other tech giants are).
MS has realized three things:
1 the Linux Kernel is here to stay, and no amount of meddling will change that.
2. MS themselves depend on Linux to do business with other companies, heck, OneDrive is probably run on Linux servers lol.
3. because of the FOSS nature of GNU Linux, even if they somehow manage to corrupt Linus Torvalds himself, the project can simply be forked and begin anew.
@@lightningvini Thank you for that mental image of Linus Torvalds as a cyborg, or should I say, an Android.
The steam deck , running Linux will crush windows , most windows users are locked into direct x and Microsoft , valve ,hopefully will change that forever
average microsoft employee: "lord gates it turns out dr dos can run windows 3.1. what should we do?"
bill gates: "fair competition?! we're the only game in town. engineer an error that stops dr dos from running and make it look like it's genuinely incompatible! we will bury all who stand in the way of our monopoly! all hail the DOS!"
😮
darth gates
KILL THE MONOPOLY! KILL OFF MS DOS!
This is a contributing factor why I don't trust his philanthropic pursuits to this day. Many will make excuses, "wouldn't any other business do the same?" The just like the fiction more, I guess.
It's not even like I latched-on to any of the the "mark of the beast" conspiracy theories. Who needs any of that noise when reality is perfectly damming on it's own when it comes to BG.
when I read 'windows secret self destruct code' I immediately screamed 'HOW DO I BLOW UP MY LAPTOP'
Microsoft Edge staring into your windows at 3am. Breathing heavily.
You may be on to something.