WORLDS BEST Filament Storage System.. IT SPINS!
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Pretty cool Idea.
Some suggestions from me:
- Seal up the doors
- Since you are useing a MCU to control this, you could assign a number to each shelf, so you only need to press a button and the wanted shelf comes to the front.
- Use a Inventory Management System, that knows which is the exact spool at the exact spot, maybe with locating LEDs like Smart Organizers and a web interface
How thight is the spacing? it looks like you can fit 1 or even 2 extra racks in there.
Probably a good idea to close that gap in between the doors. That gap is going to let a lot of outside air in, which then negates the drying effect of the dehumidifier.
Well yes, but you know he's still using wood that's just screwed together. It's not like it's airtight anyways. Also the dry wood on the inside is gonna suck up the humidity from outside too. I guess wood isn't the best material. But hey, it's working for him. Less than 30% RH in this big box is pretty good, I'd call that a win. Closing the gap may result in a slight decrease of power consumption to the dehumidifier.
Sounds like a good suggestion.
Maybe You could add some kind of silicon seal on the doors and it would also help a bit
Man at 4:05 I'm with you. Great combination of two rules: never hammer a bearing into position and everything is a hammer.
A few changes... Manual drive would be fine and probably more people would try it out. Make the whole system out of 2020 extrusion (frame and shelves) and cover with plexi making the outside dimensions a standard 24 inches so limited or no cuts needed. make files for the large gears so they can be 3d printed... I might try to do this myself
Very nice build. A note though... the dehumidifier will not "suck the moisture out of the filament". It will keep the box dry, and any filament that is already dry will certainly stay dry in there. But hygroscopic material needs heat to excite the molecules into giving up the moisture in the material. You're going to need a low temp heat source to dry any 'wet' filament. And keep in mind that different materials need different temps, and the temp required to dry some materials might be too high for others.
Better to have a separate dryer, they are inexpensive and you only have to specify the material when running it; the right temperature will be set automatically. Once it is dried, it will stay that way in the storage cabinet for a good while.
@@kaasmeester5903 the cercal box setup is perfect for 10 bucks... I see a few doing 30 of them lol...
Easy to put the dryer on a relay with a cheap pt100 to keep a constant temperature
THIS! This is what I keep coming back to when I try to figure out how to do exactly this kind of project myself. Nothing will DRY filament, except for a dryer with heat and air circulation, all other desicant and dehumidification only KEEPS or MAINTAINS dryness of dried filament. argh! /flipping out
wow, what a great build. Really nicely done
Impressive build! I love the way you laid out the video and the subtle humor! :-)
thank you for putting this video together !! im also looking to make something like this to hold my filaments as well.
I have build one like this 2 years ago, but mine has ceramic hearter lamps, it can heat the storage up to 45C and it's enought to dry any filament if you stay it there like for 8 hours
Dude! This is sick!
Please add a mirror to the back, it would add such a cool effect.
Love your videos man, been wanting to build something like this myself as I'm redoing my 3d printer cupboard so might actually be crazy enough try to do something like this on a smaller scale, it looks insane though, great work.
Great design Michael! Functional and polished look!
You have some pretty incredible projects. Very impressive.
Thank you! I was thinking about something almost exactly like this a couple nights ago!
i definitely wouldn't have the intake of the dehumidifier facing a wall. its going to restrict airflow, which usually leads to ice building up inside the dehumidifier. try make it face the side or anywhere away from a wall
need to add some heat to help "encourage" the moisture to exit your filament. You have the ESP32 already, so should be no problem to add a 100kNTC & a pair of 12v PTC "ceramic heater" units to keep the inside temperature right around 40°C (did similar with my single-shelf 7-spool drying cabinet & it helped TONS with eliminating my wet filament troubles)
Love this! maybe v2 could add some springs to the spools and feed a row through the enclosure to use them while they're in there
Looks great too
Really neat idea! - as mentioned in other comments, I would improve sealing - in my opinion the perfect humidity for storing filament is 10%, because the humidity meter can’t go any lower. To achieve this, I think you need silica and/or active heating to 50 degree Celsius for PLA and PETG.
Man I love this thing.. Well done you! 👏
Ok I have my next project 😀 nice idea!
Great project.. Well done
Nice build man!
This is sick! Nice work man
Nice work.
I've seen an IKEA veruson of this. But this is amazing! Impressive work dude!👊😍🔥
Great build, very interesting!
Another hint might be to install a temp and humidity sensor on the ESP and control the dehumidifier and/or the fans to turn them on or off based on the measured humidity automatically.... This would conserve energy
Awesome video and awesome build. I am very tempted to build this! BUT it should be pointed out that a dry box won't dry out wet filament, it will only keep dry filament dry. You need heat to release the moisture from already-saturated filament, *then* put them in the box.
PLA takes ~50C for 4-6hr
PETG takes 65C for 4-6hr
ABS/ASA 70C-80C for 4-6hr
Nylon (90C for 6hr) or (70C for 24h)
REAL polycarbonate takes 120C for 6 hrs!
ALSO: if you're primarily using PLA, ABS and PETG, your 30% RH is probably okay, but you might consider adding desiccant packs in front of the fans to get it down to
You have made something great. It is a cool storage.
I would love to see it equipped with a Rosahl dehumidifying membrane as well.
Love this! Did you have to use any kind of weather stripping or gasket material to make sure the outside humidity didnt get inside?
That is a very nice solution for filament storage! Nice video :)
My small studio does a whole lot of work with hatch box material. I have boxes and boxes and boxes of the material unopened. I may just attempt this in an effort to reduce my vertical footprint to a more horizontal footprint. I noticed the video didn’t say much about the weight tolerance per shelf. I’d be curious if it would also account for the additional bulk of each roll having a box. Awesome project man.
I’m pretty sure you can get at least two more racks in that assembly. Looks pretty nice, think I’ll try to make one as well, thanks for the inspiration!
Nice project, some suggestions from my side:
- Change the shelf design to rods (made of carbon or aluminium) to reduce the swinging masses
- Seal up all holes
- Connected the temperature and humidity measurements to the MCU
- hack the humidity device to controll it with the mcu :D
- Add fix programmed shelf positions so you just have to press the button once and not have to press it the whole time
When I was a kid, the local hobby store had something similar for displaying N-scale locomotives.
Nice. I would've over-complicated it by using a rod and hanging them off of it with custom hooks which would've involved a tiny rod through the spools to connect to the hooks. This definitely looks easier.
The next step would be an automatic transfer system with an airlock to minimize the air/moisture transfer..
Really cool thing!!
Just decreasing the size of the doors would be a good first step. Since he has the rotary mechanism, the shape of this whole thing can be better optimized. Having a single door just the height of one shelf will be better: easier to seal up and let less air exchange.
Also, the form factor is maybe not optimal. The door could be anywhere on the front, or even on the top. Instead of being a bench, this could instead be a tower to make better use of height. Manually making the chain is unnecessary and takes time: instead, choose a commodity chain and design a custom sprocket with every other tooth missing. With a chain and sprockets that are both an even number of teeth, you can keep them perfectly aligned. Then you can simply bolt through the chain links to mount the shelves, as long as you count the link spacing correctly.
This way you could easily make the whole thing tall and the shelves short, which could fit into some spaces better. It would also allow a smaller access door which would be good for efficiency.
@haphazard1342 good suggestions, I will incorporate a few of them in my attempt at it. 👍✌️
This looks Amazing!!!
I'm now subscribed, I can't wait to install this in my shop!
Do you happen to have a parts list?
Once I've finished setting up the shop for our grand opening next week this is the first thing I'm making when it's slow!
Thanks for the video. Actually I am somewhere on the similar journey, but I'm after a multi-spool dryer (S4 is not available in my country yet and it doesn't heat up to temperatures that tougher plastics require anyway).
Do you plan any temperature controls for your storage system? I've noticed you didn't insulate it at all and actually still have quite sizable holes in the spools "chamber" that allow your high-humidity air from the room to keep circulating. Not sure that small de-humidifier would be sufficient to cover up for it.
Kudos for demonstrating the closed loop storage system though. I think one day I might try that for my "long-term hoarder storage" with digital registry & motor controls (think something similar to magnetic tape storage system, but more framed around containers of items I need rarely enough to stash them in the garage).
Fantastic work, Michael! Brilliant design! 😃
Put some silica inside it, it's going to help a lot with the humidity. They sell this kind of stuff to put in dressers and stuff like that.
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
you can stop telling people to stay safe, everyone knows to stay safe. he's not going to forget and accidentally drive off a cliff because no one told him to sTay SAfe wITh hIS fAmILy
Nice setup, I kept mine simple but nice setup .
Love seeing the ACE Hardware screw bag 💪🏽
Dam bud this is amazing I would love to make it for my workshop also this reminds me so much of that scene from wall e where all of his parts were in that movine shelf. Btw I love your vids your the best also keep up the great work bud
neat. I agree with people saying the closet must be completely sealed, humidity creep in very fast.
It's great to see people that see that gap because it was also something that kinda bothered me aesthetically and practically since it lets outside air in. I don't know if anyone said this, but you should also make it air tight around holes you didn't seal other than the fans since they help cool and keep the filaments from getting too hot.
Great Video and well done, but i think there is at least one thing you can do.
Seal it and close all gaps and you will See a improvment in humitity.
And connect some sensors to let the system know what temp and humitity it is to auto turn on and off.
I really don't understand how u dont have more subs and views
Cool project. Well executed. I would probably just have two transparent drawers with the same depth as two of these shelves. Would be faster to get to and not need motors.
But again, this is a nice project and you probably learned something new.
i dont even have a printer myself (yet) but i kinda want to built like a miniature version that doesnt need a woodcutting table, a laser cutter and all the fancy equipment of yours. i think something fitting on a table would be awesome because acces would be alot easier.
Best is right. Winner!
incredibly cool build. do you have a spec sheet and sourcing links for the components, like the stepper motors, gearbox, etc. that you used in this build?
nice project, could you tell more about the dehumidifier, what kind of brand is it?
nice Paternoster lift. im building one for my electronic components. computer controlled and searchable naturally ;)
awsome.
One point: a dehumidifier does NOT suck the moisture out of the filament. It keeps more moisture from entering the filament, and is great for storage, but the only way you can liberate moisture from hygroscopic filaments is to heat them up.
Nice design; great idea, but WAY too small. Anyone serious enough about 3D printing to need something like this is going to have much more than 40 rolls of filament.
Hi really enjoy your videos I'm just wondering are you still working on the 3d printed 100mph rc car
For how slow things are rotating, you could have used bushing instead of ball bearings to save some money
I need this.
Hi Michael - Can you provide a parts list for all of the electronics? (ie.. motor / power supply / AC input plug / switch / motor controller, etc?)
I would add a door sensor that will turn the lights on when they are open and off when they are closed. I would probably also make it so the fan runs based on a timer or sensor instead of the switch.
That dehumidifier won’t pull moisture out of the filament, it will only keep filament from getting wetter. You need additional heat to pull moisture out of filament
Would it be worth optimizing the air flow a bit, sealing it up a bit better, etc?
Personally I would add like a 2kw space heater inside so you can actively dry all your filament if needed
Could you please share what mini dehumidifier that is please and where you purchased it please?
It'd be cool if you added a logging system so you could select a filament on a touchscreen and have it automatically go to the right shelf
Nice build; the only flaw is that it isnt many meters high; then youd actually get non-gimmick value out of that rotating system; but I guess itd be a relatively minor upgrade to extend the system in the future.
Also; I somewhat question the RGB leds. Even if you set them to a tone that wasnt as misleading in representing the colors of your filament, an old fashioned broad spectrum high temp halogen would be much more functional in an application like this, where youd want to quickly visually identify that particular tone of red you were looking for.
i have about as much filament as you do although most of mine have never been opened, i just like to have all the colors on hand, plus the stuff i'll actually use. most of mine is stowed away. it would take me about 3 minutes to grab any spool i want. considering how much time it takes to build this, that's the equivalent of me getting a lot of spools from my storage location, so for me it would not be worth it. on the other hand i have the benefit of having the space for other stuff, for example i could put 2 3d printers in the same space as your contraption. my guess is that most of the spools in your storage system sit around for years, at least that's what it would be in my case. now for the positive stuff: it makes for an excellent video and it also makes for an excellent backdrop for future videos, and i bet it was fun to design and build. you also seem to have plenty of space in your shop. with that in mind keep up the good work.
ps: i clicked on every ad in your video but probably best for you not to comment on that :D
i forgot to mention really nice work, very impressive and very much enjoyed watching the video :)
Can we turn transmitter with buttons to transmitter with potentiometer and receiver with servo motor please make a video
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what do you do for work? is it related to tech, honestly just wondering where you get all your knowledge from
Wow nice project. Prefer closed shelves so I can store more of them. This seems a bit overkill. But still nice job.
Pretty cool design. You should refine it and remake it from parts you can buy/make such as aluminum extrusions, and 3d printed part.
I'm considering building a small version of this with 3 racks that hold 7 spools each, with a single axle instead of a chain mechanism. I'll put it on top of the stack of IKEA Lack tables my Ender 3 is on
I"m SO CONFUSED. I've been searching for WEEKS for a way to not STORE but DRY a lot of filament, and every single thing I find says that these household dehumidifiers DO NOT dry out filament because they CANNOT get below 40% RH without HEAT. Yet Michael here and also Adam Savage are building cabinets with some air circulation and almost identical dehumidifiers as their humidity extraction method and having great results. THIS IS SO CONFUSING!!!!
I wonder how could you prevent the wobbling of the shelves when they move? 🤔
Seems like you could possibly add more shelves to this design. Is that possible?
Have the same type of machine at my job, except it is for automotive tires.
Question. Why use nuts on the chain instead of C clips?
i know what my next project is going to be now
hey i like to watch all of your videos it is a really nice project could you give me the parts list i also have some fillament and i am trying to start a 3d printing business and need somewhere to store the fillament i have thanks
NGL id def pay for one of these (assembled)
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Gaskets!
The Wall-E rack
Hi Michael, well four months down the track, can you give any feedback on how the filament dehumidifier is working please?
Works great!
@@michaelrechtin Thank you very much for taking the time to reply and for the drawings in Onshape! (I won't use them but it's nice that you are sharing. - I have been contemplating doing that for a few years! It looks like a very small (35w) unit - how do you remove the waste water?
Zack freedman aka father of gridfinity just released a video saying he wants to try to build a storage solution like yours. Maybe a collab?
Nice, but kind of half baked. Could you please add feeding system similar to Bambu Lab AMS, so it's going to automatically push filament selected in mobile app?
I have 75 spool and would need to of them
omg it looks like the thing in WALL-E's home it's so cute
i want to try and make something like this for my pokemon card display.. just without the dehumidifier
Very nice project. Could you share the code please. I would love to try to make a smaller one
can you post the file or drawing for the motor mount? its the only part i cant pull from the drawing.
Did you ever find it?
Is there a product of the market like this?
Are you going to release your code?
I would put easy access to the dehumidifier. Kind of scary having that right next to the power supply 😖
Wouldn't a better idea around all the electrics be to just you man power to turn the chain by having oversized hand grips?
Honestly looks like you could use 2 more with all that filament hahah
Elegant, like it. But to complex. I will keep using my plastic boxes. About 10 of them holding 40 rolls 😬
I mean, while it's cool, the minimalist in me just wants to use 2 tiered shelves instead, which removes the need for all the mechanical shenanigans. Oriented like visible at 9:18.