Babe pointing to the dugout and telling them to shut up cuz he's about to hit a homer on the next pitch is an equally awesome story, a called shot and totally backed up by film.
It really doesn't matter whether Babe's *called homer" was true, or not. Neither Him, nor Cobb, with his "filed cleats" really matters. Neither can be replaced.
from what babe said on the article, i dont think he was even telling the cubs dug out that he would hit one , because he mentioned that he would be thrown at if he ever did something like that.
@@kendallevans4079 That is if you were actually at The Event when it happened. True, Ruth was the greatest home run hitter of all time. Yes, He did point out to where he hit that homer, however, I wasn't there & doubt The Legend behind it. Only my opinion.
Reading about Mickey Mantle when I was a kid, the big home run that Mickey hit was estimated at 565 feet, not 656. Mickey was so beloved that someone likely, and deliberately, transposed the numbers to embellish Mickey's legend.
Mantle's HR hit out of Griffith Stadium in Washington was April 17, 1953. No one was sure exactly where it hit. 565 ft was the distance to the spot where it was picked up.
An honorable mention: Bill Buckner cost the Red Sox the World Series in 1986. Everyone will have you believe that if Bill Buckner successfully fielded the ball, the Red Sox would have won the WS in that moment. The truth? The Red Sox already blew the lead thanks to Bob Stanley’s wild pitch and the out would have only preserved a tie for extra innings. Bill Buckner already had very bad knees and Mookie Wilson was fast so no guarantee Buckner gets the out anyway. Also, they played a Game 7 where the Red Sox also lead but blew again. But the myth has always placed blame solely on Buckner and that his error prevented them from winning in that moment. Finally Vin Sully’s call in that moment is still epic!!!!
You could also talk about Dave Henderson in the '86 ALCS. Most people believe that Henderson hit the HR in Game 5 and that was it, Red Sox win, Angels blew it. But they never talk about the fact that the Angels not only tied the game in the Bottom of the 9th, they had a chance to win it with a runner at 3rd and 1 out. Instead, the game went 11 innings and Henderson did knock in the winning run, but with a sac fly. But all you ever see is the home run...and the sad demise of Donnie Moore.
As a Red Sox fan I concur. Buckner did not lose game 6. The Mets WON game 6. 2 out and the lineup, starting with Carter, refused to lose. Sadest day as a Red Sox fan but I never hated the Mets, I admired their tenacity.
Had they replaced Buckner with Stapleton, as they usually did in later innings, the result would have been different. Gedman did little effort to block Stanley's outside pitch.
Bill Buckner did not cost the Red Sox the ‘86 World Series. Calvin Schiraldi gave up the three hits with two out that put the Mets back within one and left with runners on the corners. Bob Stanley then throws a wild pitch that lets Kevin Mitchell score from third. And on the fateful play, Buckner was so deep in the hole when the ball gets to him that even if he fields it cleanly, there’s no way he outruns Mookie Wilson to the base. Sure, Ray Knight only gets to third instead of all the way to home to win it but an out was not being recorded on that play in any capacity. Also they went and lost Game 7 so basically none of it mattered in the long haul.
Exactly: Bob Stanley & Calvin Schiraldi had that game blown long before Buckner's error. Besides, but the time the ball from Wilson rolled toward Buckner, the score was tied. So there would've been a 10th inning and with no guarantee that the Bosox would've won it that point.
@@robertkwiatkoski1292 Yes, there's a reason why the manager normally takes him out for defensive replacement late in the game. Just that he didn't for that particular game because he assumed the Red Sox will win and wanted Buckner to be on the field for celebration. The fact is Buckner had been playing through knee injury throughout that entire season!
Hey with the babe ruth story, my dad growing up knew Gabby Hartnett who was the Cubs catcher the during the "shot" game. He asked him about it and from his accounts Babe was flicking off the dugout like how it looks in the old grainy video.
One explanation of what happened is that the Babe was trying so hard to line a ball into the Cubs dugout that he mis-timed his swing and accidentally hit the ball into the outfield stands.
I was there in person for a game at the Seattle Kingdome when Juan Gonzalez of the Rangers hit a mammoth of a homer. Everyone in the stadium did a collective "ooooooooohhhh". You could feel the power as much as hear it in the impact and with how far it went. None of the Mariners Outfielders even moved. From where we were sitting, it looked like it was literally still rising as it cleared the center field fence. If asked, I would have sworn under oath it had to be a candidate for longest homer ever hit. Officially, it's not even in the top 25 (in fact I have no idea where it's ranked). Eye witnesses may not be completely useless, but there's a reason why you don't always get a consistent story from multiple eye witnesses to a crime or other type of event.
Juan Gone could really hit ... the bat crack had a louder sound when he really connected. i saw McGwire hit one in BP in Detroit that almost went OUT of Comerica Park to CENTER field - that was a shot as well.
Yeah but unfortunately human beings have shown time and time again that I witness testimony is unreliable. Especially when it comes to the size of animals and distance of things. Look at some of those monster home runs back in the '90s. McGuire hit one that was supposed to be around 5:40 as did canseco and when they use proper techniques to get the correct distance both home runs were not only much shorter but not even 500 ft coming in around 470 480 which is still a mammoth home run but back then we thought that if it was hitting the third deck it was in the 500 ft range but in reality the seats it was hitting were only 30 or 40 ft past the fence because of the way the stadium was built it was just very high in the air and the ball was hit. But the ball could easily be traveling back to the Earth and not continuing to go outward. We see balls these days with much better measuring techniques as far as distance, that look like they wouldn't be anywhere near as far cuz they don't hit the upper deck but in reality they are still going outward as they are hitting the seats and would have gone much farther. A perfect example is in a softball game I played right past the fence where three power lines one of them is about 40 ft off the ground the second one is about 50 and the third one is about 60. I hit a ball that went over the top power line. And if there were seats there it would have easily gone into an upper deck. But it landed just across the street over the second fence at the base of these plants. Probably about 330ft away. The second ball I hit went just under the second power line but it went over the base of those plants and into the lake probably about 370. If there had been seats like a normal stadium that would not have reached the upper Deck while the first one would have and everyone would have thought that the first one went farther because of the height when in reality the second one went much farther. We do the same thing with animals. Look how many great white sharks or anacondas are supposed to be 25 to 30 ft but when they actually get caught they are 16 or 17 ft. Unfortunately unless you have proper statistics eyewitness accounts are extremely unreliable and should be taken with a grain of salt without actual facts to back them up
I loved Juan Gonzales so much so that I didn’t even believe that Griffey was the best of all time. He is. Juan’s homers were loud as hell, but I don’t think as long as Canseco’s longest in Toronto.
About the impossible amount of beer story- Andre the Giant was known to approach triple digits of beer, which even for his size is not "normal." Boggs was not a non-functioning alcoholic so I dont think he would have been able to drink that much, but people can and have. The real problem is how much he'd have to use the bathroom on that flight.
You could literally feel the massive decrease in moral after the bartman incident. I remember that game very distinctly being a life long cubs fan and I was absolutely crushed by that series loss. Glad I got to see the cubs make a 3-1 comeback in 2016, I can go to my grave happy. Always remember Cleveland blew a 3-1 series lead🎉
For Bartman and Buckner......games are like plane crashes,there is virtually always more than one series of events that causes them.Same for games lost.
Boggs would have vomited several times if he drank even 50 beers just due to the amount of liquid. Cross country fright is also only about 6 hours so that’s about 10 beers an hour and I can understand that for for hours but at his size he would pass out way before 64 and probably around half that.
@@666mills666 I’m alcoholic as well and my usual on a drinking night was a 30 pack with shots. I didn’t even drink every day so i can’t even imagine some peoples numbers lol
There were two Alex Gonzalez shortstops in MLB at this time. One who played for the Marlins who was a great fielder but couldn't hit, and one who played for the Blue Jays then Cubs who was a good hitter, but a weak defender.
The ironic thing was that I believe 03 was the Cubs Gonzalez's best fielding season of his career to that point, and had made zero errors all playoffs up to that point.
Abner Doubleday's role in invention and growth of baseball is the oldest baseball fable. He was a real person, but had nothing to do with baseball (that 1907 report was riddled with fiction).
Kind of sad, really. Take away the baseball story, and Doubleday really had a fascinating life that nobody remembers. He fired the first return shot at Fort Sumter which started the Civil War, was pivotal in the battle of Gettysburg, and held the patent on the San Francisco cable car system, but all anyone talks about is something he didn't do.
The reason the fable caught on is even more ludicrous: Americans were desperate to prove that baseball was a uniquely American invention rather than an American adaptation of the British game Rounders. Ironically, the latter is also not entirely true, as baseball (by that name) had been played in Britain in the 18th century.
@@wvu05 Cartwright's name is usually brought up by those who want to counter the Doubleday myth, but the truth is, Cartwright had descendants who hyped him up. Cartwright was a member of the Knickerbocker club which is credited with codifying the rules, but most evidence suggests that he wasn't really in a leadership role. William Wheaton (not the Star Trek guy) and Doc Adams actually did most of the things Cartwright gets credit for, but neither of those guys got recognized by the Hall of Fame.
It is one thing to blame a long-deceased goat, but it takes a fan base with a special lack of class to scapegoat a person, especially a fellow fan. That's when the notion of mystical curses is no longer fun, but has gotten dangerously out of control. Glad it is over; here's to the next 100 years.
He isn’t known for drinking beers he’s known for being one of the best hitters ever, having one of the highest OBP ever, being impossible to strike out, and.. oh yeah, being in the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Having attended games at old Bovard Field where the USC Trojans played at the time, I would say that his homerun batting lefthanded could have easily traveled 600 ft due to the customary westward blowing winds off the coast at that time of day. 656 ft - No. Yes, get that big flyball off Mantle's bat up in the air, and the wind could easily pushed it @ 600 ft.
And you cannot expect a fan not to look up and reach for the ball, like every other fan was doing. I blame Moises Aloud for that mess, for throwing a temper tantrum.
Since Mantle's two very long home runs were in consecutive pre-season exhibitions, a reasonable hypothesis would be that he may have been experimenting with a loaded bat during that series at USC.
For all I know about Cubs fans and Bartman, I wouldn't put it past the other people around Bartman who also reached for that foul ball to blame him as well. One of the most disgusting injustices in the history of humanity.
Dusty Baker also left Mark Prior in that game too long. He had thrown well over 100 pitches, and while the '03 Cubs weren't exactly blessed with Mariano Rivera or Trevor Hoffman (I don't think Joe Borowski is a name that strikes fear in anyone's hearts), surely fresher arms would have given them a better chance as well.
Prior pitches long and that doesn’t change a thing you Cardinal scum Gonzalez booted that ball. That’s what changed everything, but never fear! We got through the cardinals to win the World Series! You lost the division SATAN!
@thedon1570 Yes. If Gonzalez had fielded that ball cleanly, a double play is turned and the Cubs have a 3-0 lead going into the 9th (at worst; who knows if the Cubs would have scored another run or three?). And no one would know who Bartman is. I hope he is well, wherever he is.
@@randyreiser1692 same bro, he was such a good guy off the field, but when he was hitting, he was a different man, I was shitting my pants when I saw him hit
Cub fans have always played the blame game for the years of incompetence. The “Curse of the Billy Goat” or “Steve Bateman”. Maybe the reason is simply you can’t win ballgames when your hands are clutching your throat…choke.
the Boggs one is easy to disprove by plugging some numbers into a BAC calculator... the highest recorded BAC recorded in a conscious person was .491, using only 64 beers and assuming they're light beers, Boggs' BAC would be 2.5 times that number. Using the 107 beer number and assuming normal beer, it would be around 5 times that. It seems impossible that anyone could ever develop that level of alcohol tolerance while able to hold down a job, let alone perform as a professional athlete. He'd have to be constantly so drunk he couldn't see the ball, let alone swing at it. And all those calories, he'd have to run around 7 or 8 hours a day to keep himself from becoming fat as fuck. Even if both of those things were possible, it seems like other people would notice that he was constantly going through dozens of cans of beer and then exercising hard for 8+ hours a day for years on end.
The Wade Boggs beer story started circulating after an Australian Cricket star named David Boon was reported to have downed 52 cans of beer on a flight from Sydney to London. Obviously that is a much longer flight (the better part of a full day back in '89 when it happened) than any flight that a baseball team would take in the US. The Aussie story was widely reported in the days after the flight with it surfacing that the beer record was the reason Boon missed practice sessions in London before the Aussies took on the English. When the Boggs story first started to appear is was pre-internet myth that Boggs embraced and amplified in the mid to late 90's, but it just doesn't stand up to any scrutiny. If you go with the lowest figure of 64 beers and the longest flight the Red Sox would likely have taken being around 6 hours that is 10 beers an hour. Boon, on the other hand had, a documented 16 hour flight with a lay over so we're talking about 3 beers an hour.
What I would like to see you do a video on is the Bill Buckner play. I’ve watched that footage many times. There’s a couple of reasons I believe that he should not have been blamed for losing that series. First of all, he caught that ball so far behind the back, and other than Vince Coleman, I think Mookie Wilson was the fastest man in baseball. I don’t see how he gets him at first, whether he try to take it himself, or get it to the pitcher. He basically was going to catch that ball on his heels a good 15 feet away from the first base bag and I think Wilson was further down the line than he needed to be in order to beat out the pitcher to the bag. Secondly, and Calvin Schiraldi, what is the real goat there (and I mean goat in the older sense of the word, basically the anti-hero) because that game was already tied. Even if Buckner picks up that ball and DOES step on first, the game is tied. People treated him as if the Red Sox win the World Series if he steps on the bag.
This is a good presentation. Thank you. But you might have included the biggest baseball myth of all, Fred Merkle's "boner" (meaning "mistake") that supposedly cost the Giants the 1908 National League pennant. In a late-season game, Merkle was on first base and another runner was on third base in the bottom of the ninth with the score tied. After a base hit that scored the winning run from third, Merkle ran off the field and did not touch second base. The Cubs' second baseman Johnny Evers got a hold of the ball that had been hit into the outfield, and touched second base, whereupon the umpires ruled Merkle out on a force, negating the run. The field was overrun by fans, who had initially been celebrating the apparent Giant victory, but who now were angrily converging on the umpire who had made the call, Hank O'Day. So the game could not continue, and would have to be replayed if it affected the standings. And did it ever affect the standings, as the Giants and Cubs finished tied for first place. The game was replayed at the end of the season, and the Giants lost, giving the Cubs the pennant. While calling Merkle out is correct under the rule, and while that would be the unequivocal modern interpretation, at the time the standard practice was to not enforce that rule after the winning run had scored. Every other player would have done the same thing as Merkle in that situation. Despite this, Merkle was referred to for the rest of his career with the derisive nickname "Bonehead". A happy postscript is that Merkle eventually returned to the Polo Grounds for an old-timers' day in 1950, and the Giants' fans gave him a warm welcome.
It wasn't quite that simple. The league sent out a letter notifying the teams around the beginning of September that they were going to start enforcing the "touch all bases" rule. A few weeks before the end of the season during a neck-and-neck 3-way pennant race was a pretty strange time to do that. There was one game a few weeks before where the new policy came into play, but the Giants were not involved, and their players were probably unaware of the change. It is unlikely Evers made the putout with "the ball," as Matthewson of the Giants saw what the Cubs were trying to do, got the ball first, and threw it into the left field stands. Maybe he threw it too hard. He had to pitch the replay game against the Cubs, and his arm was pretty dead that day and his breaking balls did not move as usual, so the Giants lost.
And in one of the weirdest ironies surrounding the 2003 NLCS, that blunder by shortstop Alex Gonzalez helped enable shortstop Alex Gonzalez to reach (and win) the World Series. Yeah. Both teams had a shortstop so named on their rosters. Both had really good MLB careers, too, with the then-Cubs' Gonzalez spending 13 seasons in the bigs and the then-Marlins' Gonzalez a whopping 17.
The hardest hit HR I ever saw (not longest - hardest hit) was in the summer of 1980 in an August game between the Royals and Yankees. I don't remember the exact date, but I was sitting about 20 rows up on the 3rd base side above the Yankee dugout (in those days, that was the visitor's dugout). Around the 7th or 8th inning, Quisenberry was facing Reggie Jackson and threw one of those sinkers that didn't sink. Reggie buried it in the sloping turf in straightway center and I'm not sure the ball was descending yet. It was a frozen rope that actually stuck in the turf out there. Post game in an interview, someone asked Quiz what he threw and he said, "I don't know. It's still burrowing to St. Louis." I've seen 400 foot moon shots, but this one probably never got more than 50 feet off the ground but seemed to get out of the park in less than a second. Insanely hard hit ball. I hated Reggie but that was the most impressive line drive I've seen.
So for the Wade Boggs one... Few questions that leapt out at me... 1. When people say flight, do they mean from the moment he got on the plane, to the moment he got off it in LA? I've seen people bring alcohol onto planes and drink on the way to their seat to get the party going and seen the same thing with a 2 liter soda or something, so to say the team brought beer on and opened it up before the plane pushed back from the gate and started taxiing to the runway, is plausible to me. Or do they mean when the plane was up at whatever the light was cruising at? To say the flight is 6 hours is correct, but you then need to add on the time spent on the ground which can ad up significantly. With something like FlightRadar24 nowaays it'd be easy to track a flight when it's in the air and being able to listen in to ATC and know what a plane is doing on the ground, which we didn't have as much of back then. 2. Was it a chartered or commercial flight, as athletes on charter flights can/do/have got away with stuff that would never well, fly, on commercial flights, not even Spiit. THe crews are just as bad, I've heard tales of, around that time, kicking the rudder violently if the athletes or singers or whoever it was were causing trouble for the flight crew, the pilot would stomp on the rudder and claim it was turbulence, this has come up more than once in tales from former pilots. Depending on who you ask, athletes are either loved or hated, depending on how much of a jackass they are to the whole flight crew. 3. When people say drink, do they mean he downed the whole can, or did he take a drink and then someone else finished the beer off? If he did down 64-100+ full cans of beer, that's one thing, but if he had a sip and got up to use the bathroom or example, and someone else swiped the drink and finished it off or just saw the open beer, thought hey, free beer and downed it, then went hey, Wade drank it, I can see how the number got up to where it was. that and the alcohol content of said beers, plus the effects altitude changing throughout the flight makes me wonder what the real number is...but Andre the Giant could put away 80+ beers on the ground though
I was reading something and it said there is a theory that some people’s physiology allows them to basically drink a crazy amount of alcohol without blacking out. It’s a very small percentage of people. I doubt it’s an unlimited amount but still, something to think about.
It's been a while, but I read an account somewhere in which one of the witnesses- Hartnett? (catcher) or Gehrig? (on deck) said that Ruth said "The next one's goin' right down your goddam throat", which seems in character and could not have been printed at the time. I did a college presentation on this event, and wrote to one of the only surviving players, Burleigh Grimes, and asked "Did Ruth Call his shot?" Grimes sent back my letter, which I still have, with NO written in large, decisive letters. Other notes: I think the hassle between the two teams involved a traded player that the Yankees felt the Cubs had cheated on his WS share. Also, Gehrig followed Ruth's homer with one of his own, and I think they both homered again a few innings later. Root, who hated this story, also agreed later that if Ruth had pointed to the fence he would have knocked him down. Whatever happened, it's extraordinary enough.
Right, I remember hittracker (RIP) calculating how hard someone would have to hit a ball just for it to go 600 ft at sea level, and it was so far beyond what we actually see that it's clearly impossible.
The Wade Boggs beer drinking story should be easy to check, ask the airlines how many cans of beer do they stock on a cross country flight. I'll bet it is less than the rumored amount.
As a Cubs fan, and a baseball fan, I believe Dusty Baker deserves most of the of the blame. Before I eleborate, let's take a quick review of who Dusty Baker is and was at the time. At that point he was known for two things - being a "player's manager" - and replacing Russ Ortiz with Felix Rodriguez in Game 6 of the 2002 WS - which ultimately led to his firing. From his own words, he felt like he, and his players were doing the Cubs fans a favor, and definitely blamed Bartman for his "betrayal". But even moreso, Dusty has absolutely zero managerial talent or skill. At best, he creates an environment where skilled players are more likely to work together, as he can appease those players with egos matching or exceeding the checks they cash. But he doesn't actually manage - at best he just sits there, unless he has to argue for one of his players, and at worst, he makes knee-jerk decisions for the sake of making a decision. For instance, when he got fired from San Francisco for pulling Ortiz with a 5-0 lead that Rodriguez blew, he decided the next time there was a similar situation, he'd leave the pitcher in - without regards to the situation itself. That's why Prior was still pitching with a pitch count of 120 after facing Castillo in the 8th, with nobody in the bullpen. The other thing worth noting - is that, regardless of fault, that foul ball obviously shook up the team. This is normally the situation where the manager holds a meeting on the mound to calm everybody down. But not Dusty - he had toothpicks to chew. Though he finally did get someone warming up in the bullpen, while Prior was throwing absolute beach balls, his final super intelligent managerial move was to replace Prior with Farnsworth, and have him come in to intentionally walk the first batter he faced. Then, after getting a first-pitch sac fly out - which only was a sac fly because of said intentional walk, Baker has him intentionally walk the pinch hittter. Unsurprisingly, with a pitcher who has thrown 9 total pitches since he warmed up, with 8 of them being intentional balls, the next batter he faces, hits a 3 RBI double on the 4th pitch. Now, I'm not one to put much faith in Kyle Farnsworth, but Baker didn't exactly give him the best opportunity here. You don't bring in a reliever to intentionally walk someone.
There is a problem... Felix Rodriguez was the Right Choice. Dude was one of the best in the league, in 2001 he placed 20th in MVP Voting, without a Single Save because he wasn't the Closer. That's utter insanity. Russ Ortiz wasn't anything special and was never known for pitching deep into games, only 9 complete games in his entire 12 year career. There were reasons to call for Felix Rodriguez...But Dusty Baker is still a worthless Manager.
The 656 ft homer that their talking about wasn't the one in Griffith statuim that went 565. He is talking about a exbition game that Mantle hit a homer over the right center field fence and went over a the width of a football field supposedly that travel 656.
two things about bartman. 1) they show his face and say his name but sometime later only show the shadow of the guy who actually caught the ball and dont say his name when he gives the "bartman ball" to be blown up! 2) i always felt they should have blown up dusty baker instead of the ball, watched both that game and the one wood pitched, both times i could see the marlins were starting to take batting practice off those guys, and kept hoping baker would pull them out, he actually went out to talk to wood went back to the dugout sat down and joked with another coach as wood proceeded to blow the game, most people seem to think he`s a great manager, i know he finally won a world series last year with the astros but honestly my grandfather could have managed that team to the series and he`s been dead since 1977
Here's another Mantle story to disbelieve, from a long-forgotten source, unfortunately; probably some book or magazine article. I had it in my mind as involving the 565-foot shot, but that couldn't be, because Washington pitcher Chuck Stobbs was older than Mantle. ANYWAY: >supposedly
64 beers is six gallons, 107 beers is just over ten gallons. Drinking even that much water during a cross country flight would be very difficult, and dangerous if you did.
I think it's reasonable that Mantle's homer could have come to rest 656 feet from home plate. However, I wouldn't count that as the official distance, which is distance in the air. If the surfaces outside of the baseball field were solid enough, it's not unreasonable that a 560 foot home run could bounce and roll another 95 feet if it wasn't interfered with.
The 700ft homer u mention by Mantle is misleading. The actual approximation by mathematicians using pie and other formulas estimated the ball he hit that went off the facade of the upper deck would have went between 600-630 ft. The reason for the ranfe is there are unknown factors. The wind, the speed of the pitch, the exit velo, soo assuming the ball was at its apex point in trajectory, you could calculate that the ball would have went at least 600 ft if the facade hadnt been there. The reason that number in some estimates is over 700 ft is because many eyewitnesses, including Billy Crystal & my aunt who worked for the Yankees through the 50s and 60s, swore that the ball was still rising when it hit the facade. Assuming thats true, they were able to estimate that the ball had a maximum of 20ft left to travel in height to reach its apex point, and using those numbers, you get the over 700 ft. I agree, 700 ft isnt possible. But if a guy in AAA hit a ball 575 ft, i dont think its out of the realm of possibility that Mickey Mantle on the right swing on the right day could have hit one 25 ft further.
Ruth’s home run didn’t knock Root out of the game. Root stayed in to face the next batter, who happened to be Lou Gehrig - who also homered which knocked Root out. A lot of people don’t remember this, but before Gehrig got up he said, “Babe thinks he’s the only one who can hit a home run, but he’s not.” So… …who called his shot?
On the Bartman issue, there are the people who were there for it and the people who only analyze the stats after the fact. You could feel the tide turn on that play, it was palpable. It's just baseball and the guy shouldn't have received death threats, obviously, but no one can convince me that that play was inconsequential to the series.
For the Mickey Mantle home run correct me if I’m wrong but I doubt they had any type of weight limit or restriction on the bat so he was probably swinging a heavy bat combined with the fact that we have no idea what baseballs were made like back then and how it impacted their distance. We have seen recently that a small change in the baseball can have dramatic effects on distance.
Mantle was also 5'11 185, not juiced up on steroids like 90% of the best homerun hitters that came after him. Outside of Ken Griffey Jr. None of them could of carried his jock without the roids.
So many people don’t point out, that if the Buckner made that play/out, the game would of still been tied. (it’s not like the Red Sox were winning by one run, just before that play, and the Mets score 2 runs to come from behind a win on that error) The Mets had already beaten incredible odds against them, by getting 3 hits, with two outs two strikes, and then the wild pitch and the error by the shortstop) So if Buckner made that play, the game would of remained tied, and it’s not inevitable that the Red Sox were going to win. It was a tie game where now any team have a 50-50 chance at that point and then the Red Sox blew a lead again, in game seven when they were up by a few runs.
I can actually believe the boggs story. You can “drink yourself sober” i know thats not legitimate but ive drank over 50 beers in a single stretch. Not a short time like a flight but pry over an 8-10 hour period.
Man i used to hear so many cubs fans crying/complaining about that Bartman catch like it was the last out of the game, And they always leave out the facts that the cubs essentially choked the rest of that game away and blew their game and series leads.
What set off the feud between the Yankees and Cubs was that Cubs shortstop Mark Koenig, who was an ex-Yankee, was voted by his Cubs teammates half of his World Series share which angered his former Yankee teammates. It was Ruth who got the feud going when he yelled at Koenig during a game about his teammates being bums. Another factor was Yankees manager Joe McCarthy who was still sore at the Cubs for firing him after he had taken them to the pennant in 1929.
What about "Bill Buckner's error cost the Red Sox the 1986 World Series." Before he made that error, two relief pitchers allowed 3 consecutive hits with 2 outs and also one of them threw a wild pitch that tied the game. And Mookie Wilson contends that he would have beaten Buckner to the bag had he made the play.
People never talk about height as potential factor, along w distance. Yeah it cant be pinned down accurately like distance but it could factor in in a vague sense ya know. None the less i factor it in (just in a naked eye sorta way) and doing so my fav hr is that cecil fielder bomb that hit the roof of the very top deck (either 3 or 4 high). Cant think of the stadium. But it was a monster and ive always thought it looked the biggest.
I remember that one, I watched the game on TV. When he first hit it they announced it as 573 feet. Then an inning or two later they changed it to 529 feet. I remember thinking right away that they changed it because they didn't want Mickey Mantle's record broken. You may know that Mantle is credited with the longest HR in an MLB game, 565 feet in a game in Washington. It was a bunch of BS.
@@Eddie-zk2qi yeah something like that they might treat as though its sacred, wouldnt surprise me. Or it may have been 530ish. I know theres not many that fall within that extra 45 feet thats for sure. 530 is still monster.
Regardless of how many beers Boggs actually drank you know it was a shitload if you put away so many beers on a flight full of guys drinking beers that they make up tall tales about it
You don't understand. Mickey Mantle hit them that far because he was Mickey Mantle. He could and did do this. I loved watching Mick bang baseballs off the upper deck seats throughout every pre-game batting practice. The bartender at Gallagher's Steak House in midtown Manhattan shared the most popular questions baseball fans asked him when they walked in. They wanted to know the score of the Yankee game, if there were any home runs and who hit them, and if it was Mantle, the question was: upper deck?
Babe admitted he never called that shot. The catcher for Charlie Root said the Babe pointed to Chicago's dugout just jawing, then said to Root "go ahead, put it in there and I'll knock it down your goddam throat!". Then the homer came. Also, Root's daughter many years later in an interview (she was in her late 70's at the time) said, with tears in her eyes, when her father was dying, he said to her "I gave my whole life to baseball, and I'm going to be remembered for something that never happened". He never called that shot, he knew it, and so did everyone else who was there. They always say though that when a legend becomes bigger than truth, print the legend.
Somehow, I heard a completely different version of the called shot. Ruth enters the batters box, he points at a flag pole out in the outfield. He lets the first two strikes go by as he keeps pointing. On the third pitch, he sends it directly to that flag pole. I think I read it in a book. Has anyone else heard that version? I know it’s not what happened, but I don’t know where I heard it.
Regarding Bartman, it is a minority of baseball fans that would not reach out to catch a foul ball that is nearly right at them. Yes, they are supposed to let the fielder make a play if it is possible for them to make it. But, in the heat of the moment, pumped full of adrenaline, the only thing in a fan's mind is "world series ball." To all the people who say, Bartman cost the Cubs the series, I say, "if you were in that seat, you would have done the same thing." And, as this video points out, it was just the first in a long sequence of misplays.
The Boggs rumor is maybe more doable then what people think. Miller Lite is only 4.5 ABV. He would have had to taken piss breaks like a mad man, and you would get tossed but it is only about 35 oz of alcohol over the course of about 6 hours. So beer can maybe get done, hard liquor no chance.
Bartman never moved out of Chicago at any point after this incident, although the Chicago Tribune, who owned the Cubs at the time had a bunch of writers who did their best to find out where he worked and lived, and tried to make it known to the public.
The Babe Ruth one is a classic misinterpretation based on a deceptive camera angle, then exaggerated and embellished( putting out a " narrative ", if you will)
Crazy thing about legends is you never know which way they’ll go. So become bloated, some shrink for more believability by the teller. In the American west, we know that two men meeting in the street at high noon, for a duel, actually never happened… but it did, once.
May want to start by getting the facts CORRECT!!! Mickey's shot off Chuck Stobbs back in 1953 was said to have traveled 565 feet and NOT 656. Moving on .....
The cubs were going to blow that lead the second Gonzalez muffed the double play. Bartman played a very minor part in the loss. If Alou doesn't freak out then the rest of the team doesn't either. Just like Boston in 86 they still had one more game to blow. Poor guy
@@666mills666 We may never know. What can be said I think much of the doubts was due to people using themselves as the measurement. The flaw of this is basically me assuming Usain Bolt can't have run that fast because I couldn't do it. That's my take on this.
I've always made the argument to those Northside (Cubs) fans you can't blame losses on farm animals and fans when it's the players who are the ones playing the games. But they don't listen. Of course I watched that series. Born and raised in Chicago. Always heard the Cubbie woes and excuses. Don't hear them from my Sox.
If I did my math right, and please correct me if I did not, the claim that Boggs drank 64 cans of beer is effectively the same amount as drinking 12- 2 liter bottles of pop. Even over a long period of time, that seems far fetched for a guy that is Boggs's size. If he were as big as Andre the Giant, I would believe it.
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Babe pointing to the dugout and telling them to shut up cuz he's about to hit a homer on the next pitch is an equally awesome story, a called shot and totally backed up by film.
It really doesn't matter whether Babe's *called homer" was true, or not. Neither Him, nor Cobb, with his "filed cleats" really matters. Neither can be replaced.
from what babe said on the article, i dont think he was even telling the cubs dug out that he would hit one , because he mentioned that he would be thrown at if he ever did something like that.
@@marcstevens8576 So facts don't matter in your world?
@@kendallevans4079 That is if you were actually at The Event when it happened. True, Ruth was the greatest home run hitter of all time. Yes, He did point out to where he hit that homer, however, I wasn't there & doubt The Legend behind it. Only my opinion.
I've always heard that after having 2 strikes and the crowd going crazy he was simply telling them that he still had "1 more" strike to give
Reading about Mickey Mantle when I was a kid, the big home run that Mickey hit was estimated at 565 feet, not 656. Mickey was so beloved that someone likely, and deliberately, transposed the numbers to embellish Mickey's legend.
Mantle did hit a 565 foot home run out of Griffith Stadium. It was the subject of a Topps baseball card. It was either in the 1960 or 1961 set.
Mantle's HR hit out of Griffith Stadium in Washington was April 17, 1953. No one was sure exactly where it hit. 565 ft was the distance to the spot where it was picked up.
@@deanmastrangelo I had that card!
I always heard that the 565 ft shot was at the Astrodome in that exhibition game
Thank you. Lifelong Yankee fan, I called BS on 656 when I heard it : )
An honorable mention:
Bill Buckner cost the Red Sox the World Series in 1986.
Everyone will have you believe that if Bill Buckner successfully fielded the ball, the Red Sox would have won the WS in that moment.
The truth? The Red Sox already blew the lead thanks to Bob Stanley’s wild pitch and the out would have only preserved a tie for extra innings. Bill Buckner already had very bad knees and Mookie Wilson was fast so no guarantee Buckner gets the out anyway.
Also, they played a Game 7 where the Red Sox also lead but blew again.
But the myth has always placed blame solely on Buckner and that his error prevented them from winning in that moment.
Finally Vin Sully’s call in that moment is still epic!!!!
You could also talk about Dave Henderson in the '86 ALCS. Most people believe that Henderson hit the HR in Game 5 and that was it, Red Sox win, Angels blew it. But they never talk about the fact that the Angels not only tied the game in the Bottom of the 9th, they had a chance to win it with a runner at 3rd and 1 out. Instead, the game went 11 innings and Henderson did knock in the winning run, but with a sac fly. But all you ever see is the home run...and the sad demise of Donnie Moore.
As a Red Sox fan I concur. Buckner did not lose game 6. The Mets WON game 6. 2 out and the lineup, starting with Carter, refused to lose. Sadest day as a Red Sox fan but I never hated the Mets, I admired their tenacity.
Had they replaced Buckner with Stapleton, as they usually did in later innings, the result would have been different. Gedman did little effort to block Stanley's outside pitch.
and Stanley threw Buckner under the bus for it .... !
@@marcstevens8576 yeah... Mcnamara wasn't real sharp. kind of reminded me of Grady Little ..... 😂
Bill Buckner did not cost the Red Sox the ‘86 World Series. Calvin Schiraldi gave up the three hits with two out that put the Mets back within one and left with runners on the corners. Bob Stanley then throws a wild pitch that lets Kevin Mitchell score from third.
And on the fateful play, Buckner was so deep in the hole when the ball gets to him that even if he fields it cleanly, there’s no way he outruns Mookie Wilson to the base. Sure, Ray Knight only gets to third instead of all the way to home to win it but an out was not being recorded on that play in any capacity.
Also they went and lost Game 7 so basically none of it mattered in the long haul.
Exactly: Bob Stanley & Calvin Schiraldi had that game blown long before Buckner's error. Besides, but the time the ball from Wilson rolled toward Buckner, the score was tied. So there would've been a 10th inning and with no guarantee that the Bosox would've won it that point.
And they were up 3-0 going into the 5th and blew that lead.
for some reason i think I've heard the Buckner was playing injured and that played a factor?
@@robertkwiatkoski1292 Yes, there's a reason why the manager normally takes him out for defensive replacement late in the game. Just that he didn't for that particular game because he assumed the Red Sox will win and wanted Buckner to be on the field for celebration. The fact is Buckner had been playing through knee injury throughout that entire season!
The most glaring omission is the whole legend of baseball being invented by Abner Doubleday in Cooperstown, NY.
Great catch!
Hey with the babe ruth story, my dad growing up knew Gabby Hartnett who was the Cubs catcher the during the "shot" game. He asked him about it and from his accounts Babe was flicking off the dugout like how it looks in the old grainy video.
That sounds more epic than the myth. "F*** you guys!"
BAM! Home run.
One explanation of what happened is that the Babe was trying so hard to line a ball into the Cubs dugout that he mis-timed his swing and accidentally hit the ball into the outfield stands.
I was there in person for a game at the Seattle Kingdome when Juan Gonzalez of the Rangers hit a mammoth of a homer. Everyone in the stadium did a collective "ooooooooohhhh". You could feel the power as much as hear it in the impact and with how far it went. None of the Mariners Outfielders even moved. From where we were sitting, it looked like it was literally still rising as it cleared the center field fence. If asked, I would have sworn under oath it had to be a candidate for longest homer ever hit. Officially, it's not even in the top 25 (in fact I have no idea where it's ranked). Eye witnesses may not be completely useless, but there's a reason why you don't always get a consistent story from multiple eye witnesses to a crime or other type of event.
Juan Gone could really hit ... the bat crack had a louder sound when he really connected.
i saw McGwire hit one in BP in Detroit that almost went OUT of Comerica Park to CENTER field - that was a shot as well.
Yeah but unfortunately human beings have shown time and time again that I witness testimony is unreliable. Especially when it comes to the size of animals and distance of things. Look at some of those monster home runs back in the '90s. McGuire hit one that was supposed to be around 5:40 as did canseco and when they use proper techniques to get the correct distance both home runs were not only much shorter but not even 500 ft coming in around 470 480 which is still a mammoth home run but back then we thought that if it was hitting the third deck it was in the 500 ft range but in reality the seats it was hitting were only 30 or 40 ft past the fence because of the way the stadium was built it was just very high in the air and the ball was hit. But the ball could easily be traveling back to the Earth and not continuing to go outward. We see balls these days with much better measuring techniques as far as distance, that look like they wouldn't be anywhere near as far cuz they don't hit the upper deck but in reality they are still going outward as they are hitting the seats and would have gone much farther. A perfect example is in a softball game I played right past the fence where three power lines one of them is about 40 ft off the ground the second one is about 50 and the third one is about 60. I hit a ball that went over the top power line. And if there were seats there it would have easily gone into an upper deck. But it landed just across the street over the second fence at the base of these plants. Probably about 330ft away. The second ball I hit went just under the second power line but it went over the base of those plants and into the lake probably about 370. If there had been seats like a normal stadium that would not have reached the upper Deck while the first one would have and everyone would have thought that the first one went farther because of the height when in reality the second one went much farther. We do the same thing with animals. Look how many great white sharks or anacondas are supposed to be 25 to 30 ft but when they actually get caught they are 16 or 17 ft. Unfortunately unless you have proper statistics eyewitness accounts are extremely unreliable and should be taken with a grain of salt without actual facts to back them up
I loved Juan Gonzales so much so that I didn’t even believe that Griffey was the best of all time. He is. Juan’s homers were loud as hell, but I don’t think as long as Canseco’s longest in Toronto.
we don't mention steroid cheaters in polite company.
“When the legend becomes fact, print the legend”.
About the impossible amount of beer story- Andre the Giant was known to approach triple digits of beer, which even for his size is not "normal."
Boggs was not a non-functioning alcoholic so I dont think he would have been able to drink that much, but people can and have. The real problem is how much he'd have to use the bathroom on that flight.
“Heroes get remembered, but legends never die.”
You could literally feel the massive decrease in moral after the bartman incident. I remember that game very distinctly being a life long cubs fan and I was absolutely crushed by that series loss. Glad I got to see the cubs make a 3-1 comeback in 2016, I can go to my grave happy. Always remember Cleveland blew a 3-1 series lead🎉
For Bartman and Buckner......games are like plane crashes,there is virtually always more than one series of events that causes them.Same for games lost.
Boggs would have vomited several times if he drank even 50 beers just due to the amount of liquid. Cross country fright is also only about 6 hours so that’s about 10 beers an hour and I can understand that for for hours but at his size he would pass out way before 64 and probably around half that.
Have you ever met an alcoholic?
Alcoholic here. I've managed 67 ipas. Never barfed. He was drinking miller lights too aka water. Australian for proof.
You'd be pissing on the dot every ten mins though.
@@666mills666 I’m alcoholic as well and my usual on a drinking night was a 30 pack with shots. I didn’t even drink every day so i can’t even imagine some peoples numbers lol
I'm an alcoholic too!! I just cut open Kegs and put a straw in it!!!! You guys sound kind of lame.... Jus' sayin'
There were two Alex Gonzalez shortstops in MLB at this time. One who played for the Marlins who was a great fielder but couldn't hit, and one who played for the Blue Jays then Cubs who was a good hitter, but a weak defender.
*sad Jeff Weaver noise*
Illuminati Confirmed
The ironic thing was that I believe 03 was the Cubs Gonzalez's best fielding season of his career to that point, and had made zero errors all playoffs up to that point.
Abner Doubleday's role in invention and growth of baseball is the oldest baseball fable. He was a real person, but had nothing to do with baseball (that 1907 report was riddled with fiction).
Kind of sad, really. Take away the baseball story, and Doubleday really had a fascinating life that nobody remembers. He fired the first return shot at Fort Sumter which started the Civil War, was pivotal in the battle of Gettysburg, and held the patent on the San Francisco cable car system, but all anyone talks about is something he didn't do.
The reason the fable caught on is even more ludicrous: Americans were desperate to prove that baseball was a uniquely American invention rather than an American adaptation of the British game Rounders. Ironically, the latter is also not entirely true, as baseball (by that name) had been played in Britain in the 18th century.
Lol my home town’s minor league team used to be the doubledays. They got dropped tho
Indeed. The closest to an inventor would have to be Alexander Cartwright, who wrote the first rules of the game that became baseball.
@@wvu05 Cartwright's name is usually brought up by those who want to counter the Doubleday myth, but the truth is, Cartwright had descendants who hyped him up. Cartwright was a member of the Knickerbocker club which is credited with codifying the rules, but most evidence suggests that he wasn't really in a leadership role. William Wheaton (not the Star Trek guy) and Doc Adams actually did most of the things Cartwright gets credit for, but neither of those guys got recognized by the Hall of Fame.
As a Cubs fan you got to dive in deep on the curse of the billy goat
You mean the _former_ curse.
It is one thing to blame a long-deceased goat, but it takes a fan base with a special lack of class to scapegoat a person, especially a fellow fan. That's when the notion of mystical curses is no longer fun, but has gotten dangerously out of control.
Glad it is over; here's to the next 100 years.
"...hall of famer Wade Boggs once drank between 64-107 beers on a cross country flight." That's...sad.
That is! And do you really wanna be known for that? Ever see someone die of alcoholism? It's ain't pretty!
Rest in peace Wade Boggs.
He isn’t known for drinking beers he’s known for being one of the best hitters ever, having one of the highest OBP ever, being impossible to strike out, and.. oh yeah, being in the Baseball Hall of Fame.
@@iamhungey12345 He’s still alive… he turned 65 today actually. 😂
@@itstheman0nthem00n Rest in peace.
This channels content has gotten way better over this season, good job
Having attended games at old Bovard Field where the USC Trojans played at the time, I would say that his homerun batting lefthanded could have easily traveled 600 ft due to the customary westward blowing winds off the coast at that time of day. 656 ft - No. Yes, get that big flyball off Mantle's bat up in the air, and the wind could easily pushed it @ 600 ft.
Mantle hit one off Chuck Stobbs in Washi ngton in 1953. It supposedly went over 500 feet.
Bartman absolutely did not deserve the backlash. So many critical plays happened after that one
And you cannot expect a fan not to look up and reach for the ball, like every other fan was doing. I blame Moises Aloud for that mess, for throwing a temper tantrum.
Regarding the Babe, I fall back on the wisdom that "Just because something didn't actually happen doesn't mean it isn't true!"
This sounds like a Michael Scott quote 😂😂
@@solo13th Or Yogi Berra.
Since Mantle's two very long home runs were in consecutive pre-season exhibitions, a reasonable hypothesis would be that he may have been experimenting with a loaded bat during that series at USC.
For all I know about Cubs fans and Bartman, I wouldn't put it past the other people around Bartman who also reached for that foul ball to blame him as well. One of the most disgusting injustices in the history of humanity.
... no one tell this dude about the Holocaust.
Bartmans grandmother was a holocaust survivor.
Dusty Baker also left Mark Prior in that game too long. He had thrown well over 100 pitches, and while the '03 Cubs weren't exactly blessed with Mariano Rivera or Trevor Hoffman (I don't think Joe Borowski is a name that strikes fear in anyone's hearts), surely fresher arms would have given them a better chance as well.
Prior pitches long and that doesn’t change a thing you Cardinal scum Gonzalez booted that ball. That’s what changed everything, but never fear! We got through the cardinals to win the World Series! You lost the division SATAN!
Yep. He had thrown 111 pitches, and Baker sent him out to the 8th inning, with no relievers ready
@@BrownBomber92181 what difference does that make he was in CONTROL. Nobody hit anything hard really, it was the lack of defense= Alex Gonzalez.. 🙄😒
@thedon1570 Yes. If Gonzalez had fielded that ball cleanly, a double play is turned and the Cubs have a 3-0 lead going into the 9th (at worst; who knows if the Cubs would have scored another run or three?). And no one would know who Bartman is.
I hope he is well, wherever he is.
Us old school baseball heads will always believe in our hearts that the Babe called his shot and then hit it where he said
He did, I was there. And he also told me he was gonna do it beforehand.
@@randyreiser1692 same bro, he was such a good guy off the field, but when he was hitting, he was a different man, I was shitting my pants when I saw him hit
@@z-shibe5960 You sound like a real brain surgeon.....
Cub fans have always played the blame game for the years of incompetence. The “Curse of the Billy Goat” or “Steve Bateman”. Maybe the reason is simply you can’t win ballgames when your hands are clutching your throat…choke.
the Boggs one is easy to disprove by plugging some numbers into a BAC calculator... the highest recorded BAC recorded in a conscious person was .491, using only 64 beers and assuming they're light beers, Boggs' BAC would be 2.5 times that number. Using the 107 beer number and assuming normal beer, it would be around 5 times that. It seems impossible that anyone could ever develop that level of alcohol tolerance while able to hold down a job, let alone perform as a professional athlete. He'd have to be constantly so drunk he couldn't see the ball, let alone swing at it. And all those calories, he'd have to run around 7 or 8 hours a day to keep himself from becoming fat as fuck. Even if both of those things were possible, it seems like other people would notice that he was constantly going through dozens of cans of beer and then exercising hard for 8+ hours a day for years on end.
The Wade Boggs beer story started circulating after an Australian Cricket star named David Boon was reported to have downed 52 cans of beer on a flight from Sydney to London. Obviously that is a much longer flight (the better part of a full day back in '89 when it happened) than any flight that a baseball team would take in the US. The Aussie story was widely reported in the days after the flight with it surfacing that the beer record was the reason Boon missed practice sessions in London before the Aussies took on the English. When the Boggs story first started to appear is was pre-internet myth that Boggs embraced and amplified in the mid to late 90's, but it just doesn't stand up to any scrutiny. If you go with the lowest figure of 64 beers and the longest flight the Red Sox would likely have taken being around 6 hours that is 10 beers an hour. Boon, on the other hand had, a documented 16 hour flight with a lay over so we're talking about 3 beers an hour.
What I would like to see you do a video on is the Bill Buckner play. I’ve watched that footage many times. There’s a couple of reasons I believe that he should not have been blamed for losing that series. First of all, he caught that ball so far behind the back, and other than Vince Coleman, I think Mookie Wilson was the fastest man in baseball. I don’t see how he gets him at first, whether he try to take it himself, or get it to the pitcher. He basically was going to catch that ball on his heels a good 15 feet away from the first base bag and I think Wilson was further down the line than he needed to be in order to beat out the pitcher to the bag.
Secondly, and Calvin Schiraldi, what is the real goat there (and I mean goat in the older sense of the word, basically the anti-hero) because that game was already tied. Even if Buckner picks up that ball and DOES step on first, the game is tied. People treated him as if the Red Sox win the World Series if he steps on the bag.
theres also game 7 that the redsox had 2 3 run leads in and blew or maybe just 1 3 run lead.
The Pat Burrell legends are a classic
This is a good presentation. Thank you.
But you might have included the biggest baseball myth of all, Fred Merkle's "boner" (meaning "mistake") that supposedly cost the Giants the 1908 National League pennant.
In a late-season game, Merkle was on first base and another runner was on third base in the bottom of the ninth with the score tied. After a base hit that scored the winning run from third, Merkle ran off the field and did not touch second base. The Cubs' second baseman Johnny Evers got a hold of the ball that had been hit into the outfield, and touched second base, whereupon the umpires ruled Merkle out on a force, negating the run.
The field was overrun by fans, who had initially been celebrating the apparent Giant victory, but who now were angrily converging on the umpire who had made the call, Hank O'Day. So the game could not continue, and would have to be replayed if it affected the standings.
And did it ever affect the standings, as the Giants and Cubs finished tied for first place. The game was replayed at the end of the season, and the Giants lost, giving the Cubs the pennant.
While calling Merkle out is correct under the rule, and while that would be the unequivocal modern interpretation, at the time the standard practice was to not enforce that rule after the winning run had scored. Every other player would have done the same thing as Merkle in that situation. Despite this, Merkle was referred to for the rest of his career with the derisive nickname "Bonehead".
A happy postscript is that Merkle eventually returned to the Polo Grounds for an old-timers' day in 1950, and the Giants' fans gave him a warm welcome.
It wasn't quite that simple. The league sent out a letter notifying the teams around the beginning of September that they were going to start enforcing the "touch all bases" rule. A few weeks before the end of the season during a neck-and-neck 3-way pennant race was a pretty strange time to do that. There was one game a few weeks before where the new policy came into play, but the Giants were not involved, and their players were probably unaware of the change. It is unlikely Evers made the putout with "the ball," as Matthewson of the Giants saw what the Cubs were trying to do, got the ball first, and threw it into the left field stands. Maybe he threw it too hard. He had to pitch the replay game against the Cubs, and his arm was pretty dead that day and his breaking balls did not move as usual, so the Giants lost.
And in one of the weirdest ironies surrounding the 2003 NLCS, that blunder by shortstop Alex Gonzalez helped enable shortstop Alex Gonzalez to reach (and win) the World Series.
Yeah. Both teams had a shortstop so named on their rosters. Both had really good MLB careers, too, with the then-Cubs' Gonzalez spending 13 seasons in the bigs and the then-Marlins' Gonzalez a whopping 17.
The hardest hit HR I ever saw (not longest - hardest hit) was in the summer of 1980 in an August game between the Royals and Yankees. I don't remember the exact date, but I was sitting about 20 rows up on the 3rd base side above the Yankee dugout (in those days, that was the visitor's dugout). Around the 7th or 8th inning, Quisenberry was facing Reggie Jackson and threw one of those sinkers that didn't sink. Reggie buried it in the sloping turf in straightway center and I'm not sure the ball was descending yet. It was a frozen rope that actually stuck in the turf out there. Post game in an interview, someone asked Quiz what he threw and he said, "I don't know. It's still burrowing to St. Louis." I've seen 400 foot moon shots, but this one probably never got more than 50 feet off the ground but seemed to get out of the park in less than a second. Insanely hard hit ball. I hated Reggie but that was the most impressive line drive I've seen.
When the legend becomes fact, print the legend...
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence...
So for the Wade Boggs one...
Few questions that leapt out at me...
1. When people say flight, do they mean from the moment he got on the plane, to the moment he got off it in LA? I've seen people bring alcohol onto planes and drink on the way to their seat to get the party going and seen the same thing with a 2 liter soda or something, so to say the team brought beer on and opened it up before the plane pushed back from the gate and started taxiing to the runway, is plausible to me. Or do they mean when the plane was up at whatever the light was cruising at? To say the flight is 6 hours is correct, but you then need to add on the time spent on the ground which can ad up significantly. With something like FlightRadar24 nowaays it'd be easy to track a flight when it's in the air and being able to listen in to ATC and know what a plane is doing on the ground, which we didn't have as much of back then.
2. Was it a chartered or commercial flight, as athletes on charter flights can/do/have got away with stuff that would never well, fly, on commercial flights, not even Spiit. THe crews are just as bad, I've heard tales of, around that time, kicking the rudder violently if the athletes or singers or whoever it was were causing trouble for the flight crew, the pilot would stomp on the rudder and claim it was turbulence, this has come up more than once in tales from former pilots. Depending on who you ask, athletes are either loved or hated, depending on how much of a jackass they are to the whole flight crew.
3. When people say drink, do they mean he downed the whole can, or did he take a drink and then someone else finished the beer off? If he did down 64-100+ full cans of beer, that's one thing, but if he had a sip and got up to use the bathroom or example, and someone else swiped the drink and finished it off or just saw the open beer, thought hey, free beer and downed it, then went hey, Wade drank it, I can see how the number got up to where it was. that and the alcohol content of said beers, plus the effects altitude changing throughout the flight makes me wonder what the real number is...but Andre the Giant could put away 80+ beers on the ground though
I was reading something and it said there is a theory that some people’s physiology allows them to basically drink a crazy amount of alcohol without blacking out. It’s a very small percentage of people. I doubt it’s an unlimited amount but still, something to think about.
It's been a while, but I read an account somewhere in which one of the witnesses- Hartnett? (catcher) or Gehrig? (on deck) said that Ruth said "The next one's goin' right down your goddam throat", which seems in character and could not have been printed at the time. I did a college presentation on this event, and wrote to one of the only surviving players, Burleigh Grimes, and asked "Did Ruth Call his shot?" Grimes sent back my letter, which I still have, with NO written in large, decisive letters. Other notes: I think the hassle between the two teams involved a traded player that the Yankees felt the Cubs had cheated on his WS share. Also, Gehrig followed Ruth's homer with one of his own, and I think they both homered again a few innings later. Root, who hated this story, also agreed later that if Ruth had pointed to the fence he would have knocked him down. Whatever happened, it's extraordinary enough.
I'm sorry but if anybody actually believes that any human being can hit a baseball 656 feet, that's on them.
Right, I remember hittracker (RIP) calculating how hard someone would have to hit a ball just for it to go 600 ft at sea level, and it was so far beyond what we actually see that it's clearly impossible.
"107 cans of beer in the galley, 107 cans of beer! Take one down, pass it to Wade, 106 cans of beer"
the tumbnail artwork has looked really good with that slight shadow, keep up the good vids
The Wade Boggs beer drinking story should be easy to check, ask the airlines how many cans of beer do they stock on a cross country flight. I'll bet it is less than the rumored amount.
Was it a commercial flight
As a Cubs fan, and a baseball fan, I believe Dusty Baker deserves most of the of the blame. Before I eleborate, let's take a quick review of who Dusty Baker is and was at the time. At that point he was known for two things - being a "player's manager" - and replacing Russ Ortiz with Felix Rodriguez in Game 6 of the 2002 WS - which ultimately led to his firing. From his own words, he felt like he, and his players were doing the Cubs fans a favor, and definitely blamed Bartman for his "betrayal". But even moreso, Dusty has absolutely zero managerial talent or skill. At best, he creates an environment where skilled players are more likely to work together, as he can appease those players with egos matching or exceeding the checks they cash.
But he doesn't actually manage - at best he just sits there, unless he has to argue for one of his players, and at worst, he makes knee-jerk decisions for the sake of making a decision. For instance, when he got fired from San Francisco for pulling Ortiz with a 5-0 lead that Rodriguez blew, he decided the next time there was a similar situation, he'd leave the pitcher in - without regards to the situation itself. That's why Prior was still pitching with a pitch count of 120 after facing Castillo in the 8th, with nobody in the bullpen.
The other thing worth noting - is that, regardless of fault, that foul ball obviously shook up the team. This is normally the situation where the manager holds a meeting on the mound to calm everybody down. But not Dusty - he had toothpicks to chew. Though he finally did get someone warming up in the bullpen, while Prior was throwing absolute beach balls, his final super intelligent managerial move was to replace Prior with Farnsworth, and have him come in to intentionally walk the first batter he faced. Then, after getting a first-pitch sac fly out - which only was a sac fly because of said intentional walk, Baker has him intentionally walk the pinch hittter. Unsurprisingly, with a pitcher who has thrown 9 total pitches since he warmed up, with 8 of them being intentional balls, the next batter he faces, hits a 3 RBI double on the 4th pitch.
Now, I'm not one to put much faith in Kyle Farnsworth, but Baker didn't exactly give him the best opportunity here. You don't bring in a reliever to intentionally walk someone.
There is a problem... Felix Rodriguez was the Right Choice. Dude was one of the best in the league, in 2001 he placed 20th in MVP Voting, without a Single Save because he wasn't the Closer. That's utter insanity. Russ Ortiz wasn't anything special and was never known for pitching deep into games, only 9 complete games in his entire 12 year career.
There were reasons to call for Felix Rodriguez...But Dusty Baker is still a worthless Manager.
I distinctly remember a back of a baseball card saying that Mantle’s record home run was 565 feet.
Mantle's shot was allegedly 565 feet, not 656.
The 656 ft homer that their talking about wasn't the one in Griffith statuim that went 565. He is talking about a exbition game that Mantle hit a homer over the right center field fence and went over a the width of a football field supposedly that travel 656.
I heard a rumor that in the early 80's Chuck Norris once hit 62 homeruns on one pitch to break Maris' homerun record!
As a White Sox fan, I can say that Bartman will always be a legend and always be welcome on the South Side
He is my favorite Cub fan. But they would have lost anyway, it was a stinking foul ball for Pete's sake.
two things about bartman. 1) they show his face and say his name but sometime later only show the shadow of the guy who actually caught the ball and dont say his name when he gives the "bartman ball" to be blown up! 2) i always felt they should have blown up dusty baker instead of the ball, watched both that game and the one wood pitched, both times i could see the marlins were starting to take batting practice off those guys, and kept hoping baker would pull them out, he actually went out to talk to wood went back to the dugout sat down and joked with another coach as wood proceeded to blow the game, most people seem to think he`s a great manager, i know he finally won a world series last year with the astros but honestly my grandfather could have managed that team to the series and he`s been dead since 1977
Here's another Mantle story to disbelieve, from a long-forgotten source, unfortunately; probably some book or magazine article. I had it in my mind as involving the 565-foot shot, but that couldn't be, because Washington pitcher Chuck Stobbs was older than Mantle. ANYWAY: >supposedly
64 beers is six gallons, 107 beers is just over ten gallons. Drinking even that much water during a cross country flight would be very difficult, and dangerous if you did.
1:17 that’s Tris Speaker, not Babe Ruth
I think it's reasonable that Mantle's homer could have come to rest 656 feet from home plate. However, I wouldn't count that as the official distance, which is distance in the air. If the surfaces outside of the baseball field were solid enough, it's not unreasonable that a 560 foot home run could bounce and roll another 95 feet if it wasn't interfered with.
What gets me about Bartman is that the guy in the gray jacket got off scott-free.
Everyone within 15 feet of Steve is standing up trying to get a souvenir.
1:18 “putting on a show at batting practice” - batter hits a routine groundball to short
The 700ft homer u mention by Mantle is misleading. The actual approximation by mathematicians using pie and other formulas estimated the ball he hit that went off the facade of the upper deck would have went between 600-630 ft. The reason for the ranfe is there are unknown factors. The wind, the speed of the pitch, the exit velo, soo assuming the ball was at its apex point in trajectory, you could calculate that the ball would have went at least 600 ft if the facade hadnt been there. The reason that number in some estimates is over 700 ft is because many eyewitnesses, including Billy Crystal & my aunt who worked for the Yankees through the 50s and 60s, swore that the ball was still rising when it hit the facade. Assuming thats true, they were able to estimate that the ball had a maximum of 20ft left to travel in height to reach its apex point, and using those numbers, you get the over 700 ft. I agree, 700 ft isnt possible. But if a guy in AAA hit a ball 575 ft, i dont think its out of the realm of possibility that Mickey Mantle on the right swing on the right day could have hit one 25 ft further.
Ruth’s home run didn’t knock Root out of the game. Root stayed in to face the next batter, who happened to be Lou Gehrig - who also homered which knocked Root out.
A lot of people don’t remember this, but before Gehrig got up he said, “Babe thinks he’s the only one who can hit a home run, but he’s not.”
So…
…who called his shot?
The Cubs also blamed a goat for not winning a World Series so...
Adam Dunn hit a homerun in Ohio that landed in Kentucky.
On the Bartman issue, there are the people who were there for it and the people who only analyze the stats after the fact. You could feel the tide turn on that play, it was palpable. It's just baseball and the guy shouldn't have received death threats, obviously, but no one can convince me that that play was inconsequential to the series.
Ah, Wade Boggs. Always goes down smooth.
Oh man Pudge, I forgot about him. He was one of my favorites as myself being a pudgy catcher.
For the Mickey Mantle home run correct me if I’m wrong but I doubt they had any type of weight limit or restriction on the bat so he was probably swinging a heavy bat combined with the fact that we have no idea what baseballs were made like back then and how it impacted their distance. We have seen recently that a small change in the baseball can have dramatic effects on distance.
Mantle was also 5'11 185, not juiced up on steroids like 90% of the best homerun hitters that came after him. Outside of Ken Griffey Jr. None of them could of carried his jock without the roids.
Hero’s get remembered but legends never die
So many people don’t point out, that if the Buckner made that play/out, the game would of still been tied.
(it’s not like the Red Sox were winning by one run, just before that play, and the Mets score 2 runs to come from behind a win on that error)
The Mets had already beaten incredible odds against them, by getting 3 hits, with two outs two strikes, and then the wild pitch and the error by the shortstop)
So if Buckner made that play, the game would of remained tied, and it’s not inevitable that the Red Sox were going to win. It was a tie game where now any team have a 50-50 chance at that point and then the Red Sox blew a lead again, in game seven when they were up by a few runs.
I can actually believe the boggs story. You can “drink yourself sober” i know thats not legitimate but ive drank over 50 beers in a single stretch. Not a short time like a flight but pry over an 8-10 hour period.
I think the catcher during that at bat with Babe Ruth said if he pointed his shot the pitcher would have hit him
Man i used to hear so many cubs fans crying/complaining about that Bartman catch like it was the last out of the game, And they always leave out the facts that the cubs essentially choked the rest of that game away and blew their game and series leads.
What set off the feud between the Yankees and Cubs was that Cubs shortstop Mark Koenig, who was an ex-Yankee, was voted by his Cubs teammates half of his World Series share which angered his former Yankee teammates. It was Ruth who got the feud going when he yelled at Koenig during a game about his teammates being bums. Another factor was Yankees manager Joe McCarthy who was still sore at the Cubs for firing him after he had taken them to the pennant in 1929.
What about "Bill Buckner's error cost the Red Sox the 1986 World Series." Before he made that error, two relief pitchers allowed 3 consecutive hits with 2 outs and also one of them threw a wild pitch that tied the game. And Mookie Wilson contends that he would have beaten Buckner to the bag had he made the play.
We already know the longest homerun ever is that Galarraga SLAM in Miami…We need new stat cast for that ball
People never talk about height as potential factor, along w distance. Yeah it cant be pinned down accurately like distance but it could factor in in a vague sense ya know.
None the less i factor it in (just in a naked eye sorta way) and doing so my fav hr is that cecil fielder bomb that hit the roof of the very top deck (either 3 or 4 high). Cant think of the stadium. But it was a monster and ive always thought it looked the biggest.
I remember that one, I watched the game on TV. When he first hit it they announced it as 573 feet. Then an inning or two later they changed it to 529 feet.
I remember thinking right away that they changed it because they didn't want Mickey Mantle's record broken. You may know that Mantle is credited with the longest HR in an MLB game, 565 feet in a game in Washington. It was a bunch of BS.
@@Eddie-zk2qi yeah something like that they might treat as though its sacred, wouldnt surprise me. Or it may have been 530ish. I know theres not many that fall within that extra 45 feet thats for sure. 530 is still monster.
Regardless of how many beers Boggs actually drank you know it was a shitload if you put away so many beers on a flight full of guys drinking beers that they make up tall tales about it
You don't understand. Mickey Mantle hit them that far because he was Mickey Mantle. He could and did do this. I loved watching Mick bang baseballs off the upper deck seats throughout every pre-game batting practice. The bartender at Gallagher's Steak House in midtown Manhattan shared the most popular questions baseball fans asked him when they walked in. They wanted to know the score of the Yankee game, if there were any home runs and who hit them, and if it was Mantle, the question was: upper deck?
Giving Bartman the ring was a really classy touch.
@@willzimjohn maybe not too little but definitely too late
I would believe the Boggs beer drinking story if it was Andre The Giant instead of him.
64 beers would be a warmup for Andre.
@@Burt1038 True! Andre was a prodigious beer drinker!
Babe admitted he never called that shot. The catcher for Charlie Root said the Babe pointed to Chicago's dugout just jawing, then said to Root "go ahead, put it in there and I'll knock it down your goddam throat!". Then the homer came. Also, Root's daughter many years later in an interview (she was in her late 70's at the time) said, with tears in her eyes, when her father was dying, he said to her "I gave my whole life to baseball, and I'm going to be remembered for something that never happened". He never called that shot, he knew it, and so did everyone else who was there. They always say though that when a legend becomes bigger than truth, print the legend.
The pitcher, Charlie Root, said it didn't happen. Root said that if Ruth had done that, he'd have knocked the Babe down.
Somehow, I heard a completely different version of the called shot. Ruth enters the batters box, he points at a flag pole out in the outfield. He lets the first two strikes go by as he keeps pointing. On the third pitch, he sends it directly to that flag pole. I think I read it in a book. Has anyone else heard that version? I know it’s not what happened, but I don’t know where I heard it.
It's called "Casey at the bat". It's not Babe Ruth, but a fictional child's poem/story
Regarding Bartman, it is a minority of baseball fans that would not reach out to catch a foul ball that is nearly right at them. Yes, they are supposed to let the fielder make a play if it is possible for them to make it. But, in the heat of the moment, pumped full of adrenaline, the only thing in a fan's mind is "world series ball." To all the people who say, Bartman cost the Cubs the series, I say, "if you were in that seat, you would have done the same thing."
And, as this video points out, it was just the first in a long sequence of misplays.
Good video. I enjoyed this.
Thanks.
It’s been nearly 20 years since Bartman, and it still pains me to this day lol. I just couldn’t believe my eyes that night.
The Boggs rumor is maybe more doable then what people think. Miller Lite is only 4.5 ABV. He would have had to taken piss breaks like a mad man, and you would get tossed but it is only about 35 oz of alcohol over the course of about 6 hours. So beer can maybe get done, hard liquor no chance.
Bartman never moved out of Chicago at any point after this incident, although the Chicago Tribune, who owned the Cubs at the time had a bunch of writers who did their best to find out where he worked and lived, and tried to make it known to the public.
The way he was treated was reprehensible.
You can make a series out of this. You should consider 1996 ALCS as you know why.
The Babe Ruth one is a classic misinterpretation based on a deceptive camera angle, then exaggerated and embellished( putting out a " narrative ", if you will)
I love how the title reads like he gots facts but the video is filled with “possibly” “maybe” “without concrete evidence” those aren’t facts
Crazy thing about legends is you never know which way they’ll go. So become bloated, some shrink for more believability by the teller. In the American west, we know that two men meeting in the street at high noon, for a duel, actually never happened… but it did, once.
8:40 well, it was miller light
Love these types of videos
I wonder if the mantle HR can be somewhat explained by where it ended up after rolling instead of where it landed
Plus it helped that the guy was known for moon shots which made it easier for people to believe he may have hit that far.
"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend"
May want to start by getting the facts CORRECT!!! Mickey's shot off Chuck Stobbs back in 1953 was said to have traveled 565 feet and NOT 656. Moving on .....
The cubs were going to blow that lead the second Gonzalez muffed the double play. Bartman played a very minor part in the loss. If Alou doesn't freak out then the rest of the team doesn't either. Just like Boston in 86 they still had one more game to blow. Poor guy
Boggs was hammered… why would we trust his word on what happened? 😂 I don’t think he drank 64 beers either, but still…
Miller lights though.. aka water.
I think he hit the milestone.
@@666mills666 We may never know.
What can be said I think much of the doubts was due to people using themselves as the measurement. The flaw of this is basically me assuming Usain Bolt can't have run that fast because I couldn't do it.
That's my take on this.
I diirected an interview with Mantle. Nasty guy.
The top of your preview picture reads "legends that became myths" but you've got that backwards.
I've always made the argument to those Northside (Cubs) fans you can't blame losses on farm animals and fans when it's the players who are the ones playing the games. But they don't listen. Of course I watched that series. Born and raised in Chicago. Always heard the Cubbie woes and excuses. Don't hear them from my Sox.
If I did my math right, and please correct me if I did not, the claim that Boggs drank 64 cans of beer is effectively the same amount as drinking 12- 2 liter bottles of pop.
Even over a long period of time, that seems far fetched for a guy that is Boggs's size.
If he were as big as Andre the Giant, I would believe it.
Mayer was also playing in Denver
Don Denkinger shouldn't get blamed for 1985. The Royals scored the winning run with 1 out. And the Game 7 meltdown wasn't caused by the umpires.