The Best Winter Cycling Tech | GCN Tech Show Ep.150
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- Winter is coming! But, just because the weather has started to worsen and the days are getting shorter, it doesn't mean you have to stop cycling. Thanks to modern bike tech you can ride in relative comfort all year round - whatever the elements throw at you. In this weeks Tech Show, Ollie and Alex discuss the best bits of winter cycling tech.
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Do you have a dedicated winter bike? Let us know in the comments below!
Ollie- get yourself into some Pearl Izumi AmFib bibs. Toasty down to 0F without a base thermal layer.
Winterbike formula: 84-86 Miyata/Univega/Shogun/etc. road frame with full metal fenders, wide drop bar, TRP front caliper w/ KS salmon pads, 3/32” fixed gear, cartridge bearing hubs laced to deep V alloy rims (for slicing through slush), cartridge bb, older Arione saddle, spd pedals, frame pump, full lights. I will not use tubeless in the winter. That’s silly. GP5K’s with tubes are fine. They grab onto ice as well as you’d need them to. Using gears in winter is silly.
I moulded some "seals" out of beeswax to cover the headset bearings, gaps, and holes, and to plug the seat pillar on an old steel bike I have. It's ugly, but it keeps things out. And probably deters thieves from it looking strange.
Yep, a CX bike on 25mm slicks.
Ye, i have dedicated winter bike .. but it is very similar to my summer bike .. no, that's a lie, it's the same bike.
Have a commuter bike here in Montreal, use it year long. Swap out smooth for winter tires when becoming sub zero. At the country house, nothing yet but planning for a fat bike.
It's always cute when GCN does a winter tips video for us here in Canada. Keeps us laughing all winter long. :)
Yep, their winter is our September. Lol
They should start GCN Canada. Then talk about real winter gear. Wimps.
True, but since I moved to Osoyoos, in BC, I haven't really felt winter.
For sure, here Quebec has rough winters, but I'd like someone compare UK winter to Winnipeg winter. They'd be probably speechless.
I live in winnipeg!...i want to here some tips on how to ride in -40degC.. lol!
I think Ollie bullied the poor guy into approving aero over lightweight
Or the sponsors
Yeah the bike industry probably threatning him lmfao, so fucking sad
also who's going to buy the aethos now?
@@lechprotean dentists
@@lechprotean weight weenies?
Ollie, “Alex, we’re sponsored by a bike manufacturer that can’t even get under 7kgs with rim brakes and the world’s lightest wheels. You can’t say that lightweight is more important than aero!”
Alex, “Oh, sorry, I’ll retract that statement next week,”
Alex. Stick to your guns. If you like light weight, don't let the crowd force you into denouncing your preference,
Don't think you understand how sponsorship works
@@Soda88 :-)
That was weird.
Can you imagine the awkward conversations behind the scenes with the sponsors re lightweight over aero preference...must have been pretty heavy to need a public reversal like that
What is he apologising for, may be for looking like a Muppet and puppet, who told he to do this , has done the viewer an injustice for a sponsor with no viewers no gcn very poor judgment
Couple of notes :
1) *Lightweight over Aero all the way* :
Pretty much all of the resistance while riding comes from the drag caused by rider. Get into a more aero position, or get clip-on aero bars. Wear tighter clothing and helmets. Simple as that. At the most get some faster tires if you're bothered about resistance even after this.
Making the bike lightweight makes it fun and lively and , not just easier to climb, whereas making it aero makes it relatively less lively, harder on climbs, painful on crosswinds and overall is much more expensive than losing weight off the bike and rider.
Besides, everyone except a hardcore , top-line pro should be more worried about being _careful_ on the descents and _fast_ on the climbs. In both scenarios , a lighter bike is better (brakes more easily, climbs better).
Leave it to the pros to worry about the bike being aero - it is immaterial for everyone else, and maybe even them. At that point of marginal gains, it's probably better to just improve your game.
2) *Real Winter Tech is Mudguards*
Pretty much self-explanatory. Ride with full mudguards, and make sure your pedals, tires and handlebars are still grippy when wet. That's more than enough.
You could wear a light little rain vest if you you were touring or commuting but otherwise its not worth the hassle.
If you're so allergic to the rains even after full fenders and adequate grip on contact points and tires, then you should just toughen up.
Despite boatloads of comments decrying the invisibility of a black winter jacket (albeit with a couple light strips that may or may not be working...), Ollie defends the sponsor basically saying it's better to get run over in a stylish black colorway.
My pet peeve - winter cycling jacket design. With all the cycling jackets I've worn in cold winter weather, I've found that my core overheats, and I get sopping wet on my torso. My arms meanwhile get cold (ditto my legs and, to some extent, my head). I don't notice this much while I'm riding; I feel fine. But I've consistently experienced something puzzling. I return home, still feeling warm, take off my biking kit, and put on warm, dry clothes. At first, everything seems perfect, but fifteen to twenty minutes later, I start feeling cold. Before I know it, I'm shivering and miserably cold.
I believe that what's happening is that while cycling my core is overheated, explaining why I feel fine then, even though my extremities are cold. When I'm home and no longer exercising, warm blood from my core is circulating through my extremities, warming up the tissues in the extremities while cooling the blood. The cool blood returns to my core, lowering my core temperature and triggering the shivers and discomfort. Make sense?
I've tried putting on arm warmers under the bike jacket and base layer, but that's awkward and uncomfortable. It seems that the easy solution would be to make winter cycling jackets with a little less insulation at the core, some venting in the back, and a lot more insulation in the arms. I wish manufacturers would catch on.
19:00 you can tell Alex is the new guy due to the lack of stickers on his laptop compared to Ollie!
Not sure I heard the comment from Alex correctly when Ollie brought up how wearing the GCN cap flipped up reminded him of a Wesley Snipes movie. Alex said "Different people", Wesley Snipes did sport a Colnago and Time cap in a few scenes.
"I used to be a scientist" Once a scientist, always a scientist, Ollie! ^_^
Winter riding is fun in Minnesota(US) on a SS w/ Studded tires!
Changes mind from explicitly lightweight > aero to explicitly aero > lightweight in a week... did the sponsors have a word? 😉
Such an awkward and weird backflip!
I really like lightweight. no question. also i love disc brakes? this dude is literally doing what hes told it feels like. you can almost see dan reading sponsor obligations and moving his lips for him.
It’s a bit lightweight on his part, that’s for sure🤷♂️
I was gonna say exactly the same thing. 🤣🤣🤣
Totally agree. Super awkward. If you prefer lightweight over aero then stand your ground. Concerns me how in the pocket of Canyon and Castelli GCN is.
My biggest advancement in winter bike kit was moving to Hawaii!
That's a strategy we can get behind
“I was wrong about what I like. You viewers reminded me that I actually like something else.”
Fired. Bring back Manon.
was it the viewers that reminded him or GCN's sponsors?.....
Short sleeve gabba and arm warmers. Pull 'em down on the climb, pull 'em back up for the descents!
Good tactic!
When those Oakleys come out they'll be sold out within hours!! 😂😂
Haha Californian winner of winter kit bundle, reminded me of when they used to give out Boats as a prize on Bullseye to guys from Birmingham! :)
Gabba: short or long sleeve?
Long definitely, for warmth.
I have best of both!
The sleeves on my Castelli Perfetto convertible zip off!
Worth £30 extra.
Love the shed - it's amazing, but rescuing a bike from having tri bars on it is the work of saints.
I am all for technical winter clothing, but the single best kit for winter is a bike with mudguard mounts. That is a game changer.
Winter commuting, Schwalbe marathon tires. 5 years summer and winter, 7000 km commuting per year, zero punctures and still lots of tread. Schwalbe studded for the odd week of snow and ice.
For the record on the BMC, it was in the 30’s (Fahrenheit) that day!
I have bought a pair of seal skin gloves. They are so aewsome for commuting even in wet weather.
Glad to see Ollie finally got his hair back on point :)
I once fitted mudguards, which psycologically changed the bike into a shopping bike
You need to credit Matt Stevens’ hands and feet in that retro foil feet wrap clip 🥶
Yes Ollie Di2 is best for winter bikes! The ease to clean and maintain is spot on. The best winter set up is actually a combo. Di2 with 105 cassette, and chain rings, plus a KMC chain.
Nice, good recommendations there for sure! Any winter set up that you can keep clean is a good one to us
The biggest things I've seen evolve over the last 20 years have been lights and brakes. Compared to halogen with NiCd batteries from days of yore the LED lights with lithium batteries are hugely brighter and longer running. Disc brakes are the second huge improvement. Compared to rim brakes in crap conditions, disc is hands down hugely safer.
Love your videos
From South Africa 🇿🇦
#GMBNTech After seeing #GCN rocking the Pirelli tires I decided to try them. I’m rolling the Cinturato tubeless and it’s been the best winter tire I’ve used. Has great feel and I trust it whole heartedly set up with a little extra sealant. Thanks #GCN.
I've ridden a single speed fixed gear bike as a winter commuter 2 years running. Super bright Nite rider Pro LED front and rear blinker! I think last year I only didn't ride 3 days due to heavy snow! I was also using a fixed Aerospoke rear wheel with reflective stickers.
I had the same issue when trying to decide on long or short sleeve for my gabba.... So went convertible and is still my favourite piece of cycling clothing.
Agree with Ollie, the SS version is much more versatile. On days where it’s chilly in the am and possible rain, wear it with an undershirt and arm warmers. If it dries out and gets warmer, stow the arm warmers and unzip the front. Amazing piece of kit.
My winter bike is my all season bike. We have two season: hot and rainy and dry but less hot.
Foil doesn't work, it just brakes up into 100's of little pieces in your shoes
Could use an old foiled lunch bag or insulated blanket. It can be cut up and sewn. But they wouldn't fit into your shoes...
Yepp - same here
Works once, maybe twice if you take care (and don't have werewolf feet).
A little warmer, but not sure how it compares to cling wrap.
As I've said before - wrapping your feet in heat conducting metal is just about The most stupid thing you can do. Why not dip your feet, shoes on, in water before going out?
As fascinating as it is to dream about the ideal "Winter Bike"...the chosen one is usually a previous summer bike that is now lowest on the totem pole.
Foot placement (ball of foot, midfoot, etc.) depends on terrain. On the flat, ball of the foot is probably better. It you're gutting your way up a steep short hill, midfoot placement gives a little more power and control. That's one reason I like using flat pedals if I'm just out and about on the bike: you can move your feet to suit the circumstances.
A clean bike is the way to go!
Best Winter Tech ? Zwift ;-)
Hi Olly and Alex referring to your Gabba short or long sleeve debate , Castelli do a Gabba with removable sleeves , I've got one and its the best money I have ever spent on cycling gear and use it all year round.
Dedicated winter bike for sure. Reynolds 531, mudguards, nice easy downtube shifters 7 speed. Perfect absolutely love it. I put it in the bike vault and buy upgrades, give me a super nice lol
I have a steel winter bike ,it’s really a wet weather bike that can come out anytime of year
@@okantichrist definitely, really enjoying my winter bike atm, taking it out even on dry days. Can't beat a nicely set up steel bike
As far as running goes, regarding the ball of the foot, the legs are used more as springs to take advantage of the momentum given by your full bodyweight landing on each leg, rather than just pushing from a fixed body position such as sitting in the saddle. Think of cycling as a sort of alternating single leg press and running as a sort of alternating single leg hops.
That bike cave was featured previously as well I guess
Unless you've got money to burn, then leave those fancypants ceramic bearings in the shop :D
My winter bike has 4 lights, mudguards, 2.25in tyres, front suspension and flat handlebars 🤭
amazing
Those plastic zip bags we use to keep our phones dry, mentioned during the £19.99 advert for the Muc-Off tube bag, are NOT one-use throwaway. I have used mine now for 18 months and it is still OK, and I didn't even buy it - it was full of peanuts to start with.
That was a quick switch to aero... wait are those bruises you're covering up?
I'm very happy that gcn has finally someone who likes mudguards. I have long mudguards installed on my bike, and obviously I have also brake shades installed, to protect mechanical disc brakes from mud and salty water falling down from mudguards. I don't have winter specific bike. I have "do it all sport universal bike", except I can't do everything with it, because I can't leave it unattended in town. I would be too worried something happens with it. So can't use it to go shopping or anything like that.. but I can go to forest, because.. it's unlikely some deer, or frog would ride away with my bike, or take some parts from it.
Hi! I've a Triban RC 500 with Sora set with 9 speed. It works on 11-32 cassette. Can I use Deore XT 9 speed derraileur on my road bike. XT has more smooth shifting I guess. Thanks.
I carry a CO2 pump. If I have a puncture I use it to quickly fill the tube. It gets me home. You just have to remember that the CO2 will dissipate in a couple of days. When I get home I fill the tire with my floor pump.
What about doing a video on road bike mudguards in all their various guises? What options work best for certain bikes/frames etc?
5:28 I think Olie wants to hide the real reason to chose short sleeve Gaba, getting that tan line on the arms, admit it Olie!
Always a good show.
With you on the ultegra di2.. ran all last winter including LeJog.. Bulletproof 😀
9:58 the return of Dr Oliver Bridgewood the chemist
Downtube shift levers, non-indexed are the best.
I'm sure Di2 are nice but I really think it's overkill for a winter bike. Brake lever shifters with the extra cabling can get wet and start to drag after just a couple of rides and the only way to fix them is with new cables and housing. Even then they won't shift as smoothly as a downtube lever, it's just a simpler system.
Good downtube levers are very smooth and reliable because there is very little cable housing and no corners to pull the cable around. Unless you need really quick response in a race it's not going to be an advantage to have shifters on the bars so for a winter ride where you are just trying to get out of the house, levers are more than adequate. I am using Dia-compe levers with a Shimano 11 speed crankset and casette. Very smooth and simple to set up, and I can also swap in a Campy Chorus hub and cogset if I want different gears, no issues. Try it, you'll see what I mean.
I think the solution for winter riding isn't a more complicated setup, it's a simpler one.
I think I saw that smart watch at the Bristol Handmade bike show a couple of years ago.
So can you slam dunk Ollie “Billie Ho” Bridgewood?
WMCJ is one of the funniest films ever. Love it!
There is nothing more satisfying than the massive strokes you can get out of those humongous inflation devices.
Winter bike = Trek Crockett with Ultegra Di2, disc brakes, 37mm tyres and full mudguards. Indestructible.
beast!
Wasn't that Matt Stephen's baked potato feet we were glimpsing?
Looks like he is a keeper!!
I rode to 4 miles to work last week with eight inches of snow on the ground. That is bad weather for sure but thanks to the handlebar pogies my hands were nice and toasty.
In the interest of transparency I was riding my GT hard tail hybrid.
When it is really cold and you do long rides (+4hours) heated gloves and socks are very good. Try Therm-Ic they are really good.
Chrome Sworks?!?!?
DOPE.
MID FOOT CLEAT!! That's what I've been looking for! Cleats under the ball of the foot leads to numbness for me that why I put flat pedals back on my road bike. Ooh well. Getting my new platforms today. 😁. NPD (new pedal day)
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Good winter project: GCN does science, mid-foot cleats vs. traditional cleat placement?
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These two might just be my new favorite presenter combo
Riding with a forward foot position sounds great, until your toes scrape the ground when pedaling and turning. Motorcyclists should never ride with their heels on the pegs and toes pointing down. You will catch your toe on the ground, your foot will roll under and you could break your foot.
In defense of winter kit in California. San Francisco and northern California can be proper cold and rainy. We have mountains with snow. This morning in LA it was it was 1c when i headed out on my ride. Im sure he'll make great use of that kit.
Feet wrapped in cling film is a great winter hack. Keeps you feet toastie warm
Over or under the socks?
@@okantichrist under the socks 👍
#askgcntech today I got my first turbo trainer and was wondering, is a specific tire for the turbo really necessary? I prefer riding outside but when the weather is bad I want to jump on the trainer, but without the hassle of changing tires. An extra rear wheel is not a possibility unfortunately, as I am on a tight budget.
Would there be any chance of doing a quick cleat position comparison video, seeing as shoe companies are making mid mount shoes. Cheers.
Winter boots. My northwave goretex are a game changer.
I've used several types of waterproof clothing, including different types of castelli (gore tex and stuff too), but i never found them close to waterproof beyond a slight drizzle..
Castelli perfetto convertible jacket - both short sleeve and long sleeve in one jacket. Problem solved 😁
Alex, Don’t change on lightweight vs aero. I get aero should get better efficiency; however, responsiveness is in the lightweight stiff bike. Also speed matters for aero, below certain speeds it does not really matter. Lightweight always matters.
Also when you standup to power up the hill aero does not matter there but lightweight does.
Would love a deeper piece on midfoot cleats. My understanding is that the calf does not contribute to propulsion (only to stabilise the foot) so bringing the cleat back reduces unnecessary effort. Would be great to hear more on the science
I do! And it's got a 105 drive train. Question though... What is the best chain lube for rainy weather? Specific brand choices? I know wet lubes but i'd like to know the specific one you use. Also, what is the best thing to do once you've arrived at work and your is soaking wet?? I'm trying to minimize rust/corrosion by drying the chain as well as I can... But it's never perfect and I don't have the same machinery at work as I do at home to dry the bike...
My bobbin daytripper with 3 speed nexus... Schwalbe Winters studded and pink chain.. Might not look right... But It was a $50 unit that takes trickle down parts from my Opus Zermatt.. That's now on sealed bearing wheels WTB BYWAY40/47 and 11-40 widerange..
Sold my 2020 TREK XCaliber8 that wasn't able to handle cold with the 12spd SRAM freezing in easy gear
Like the new guy, entertaining episode.
Hi love the videos 👍
is it just me or has this shed been in the GCN Tech show already a couple of months/years ago?
Having just moved to the UK from Cape Town, where winter riding is minimal, I’d love to see a video on the details of winter clothing and how to layer up. I find the abundance of different clothing confusing: rain proof, waterproof, wind resistant, soft shell, hard shell 🤯. Isn’t there a jacket that does it all? And of course is aero, because AERO is everything!
Its crazy to hear you talk about northerners being more hearty and used to the cold. The world isnt so different in different places. We do the same in the US.
Yes it's on the kinetic.
im all set for rain and cold!!
Nice!
If you could have only one Gabba style jacket 5:15 then you should have a convertible type! Removable sleeves so it can be converted to short sleeve.
You need to do a bit more research on Mid foot cleat position. It does not increase the amount of force or increase engagement of the calf muscle. The further back the cleat goes the less work the calf has to do to stabilise the ankle. It has many benefits for endurance cycling, very little to no down sides. It is of great benefit to triathletes who can run much better off the bike with fresh calf muscles, and pedal with lower seat and bar position for increased aero.
Still never found a pair of winter gloves for the worst weather that are both warm and waterproof, whilst not being bulky.
geordana gloves are ace
@@Bri-bl2nc Thank for this and will give it a try!
@@brown264 Brilliant! Thanks Leon, will check them out!
#askgcntech what’s the best way to dispose of disc brake mineral oil after a bleeding service? And what’s the best way to clean the syringe/bleed kit after it’s done? Just soapy water or do you recommend any specific product? Tks!
I think Eco Friendly Bike Cleaning Product is the biggest winter tech. As Cycling is all about is being green. Do you agree.
For sure it's really important and it's great to see more brands bringing out greener products for bike cleaning - good point!
@@gcntech Hoping for brands making more eco friendly tech like biodegradable wrapers for gels and bars and maybe some fully functioning and good looking bamboo bikes and some more green invention like connondale for packaging bikes.
Thank you. I'll be using the aluminium here in Truckee California at 6,000 elevation.
Everyone has a misconception of California thinking it’s all beaches. There are dozens of ski resorts in California.
I've been quite pleased with 45nrth boots and gloves over the last 5 years. I may spring for some of their jackets .... if I hit the lottery. :-)
If you freeze a banana with liquid nitrogen and hit it with a hammer it shatters like glass. That's why gel manufacturers are working on special compounds.
And why we recommend investing in good winter kit - no one wants a frozen banana after all...
I don't think I've ever seen blacker hair than Alex has! Impressive.
You should get a more visible gabba in the GCN shop like a bright red one or something, that would match GCN color and would be safer than black :)
Bright colours aren't really any more safe unless they have reflective strips on them - the black gabba jerseys have plenty of reflective material on them and are pretty visible when it's dark. If you'd feel safer in a brighter coloured jersey then go for one for sure, but lights are by far the best option to remain visible out on the road
@@gcntech I agree for when it's completely dark where they don't make any difference, only the reflective part matters. I find them a bit more visible during autumn day light when it's not night yet and car don't always have their light on to make the reflective part shine. Fluo colors are then very visible. Good lights might just be enough though.
@@gcntech And I agree that the GCN kot looks great all in black with the arms and legs warmers and everything but I still prefer to have a more flashy color on top. I already bought everything else from the GCN kit but got a yellow gabba to complete it. If there is ever a brighter one in the GCN, I'll get it too :)