Will This Tiny British Seagull Outboard Engine Run After Decades In The Garage?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ย. 2024
- Believe it or not, Mopars are not the only mechanical contrivances that I find interesting. In fact, I have a profound love for small engines manufactured in decades long since past, and specifically engines that previous generations used to motor around the waterways. So today, I'm lighting off another bomb in my TH-cam channel's performance to bring you this little gem - a British Seagull Silver Century outboard. This engine appears to hail from the 60s or 70s, but they were built in almost exactly this form for many decades. This one supposedly makes about 4 horsepower, which I find incredible. I have big plans to slap this unit on a tiny, ancient plywood boat built from a kit eventually - but today, let's see if this little two stroke will make smoke.
Old outboard mechanic here. I've worked on these, and they are stupid simple because they were designed to be repairable anywhere on the planet. The push-pull fuel valve uses a ring of cork for a seal, which can be whittled from a wine bottle stopper. The reason they use such heavy oil mix is that there is not a single ball or roller bearing anywhere in them. Sleeves and bushings; they literally will run until the rings are so worn that you have to start them out of water and lower them in. Head gaskets can be made from cereal box cardboard coated with shellac. If you're up the Ganges without a paddle, a Seagull is your best friend...
I would love to know where the impeller is and how you can find one so Jamie can make this a ideal putt putt.😂
why does he not use Starting Fluid?
@richardkeller4234 starting fluid is very lean and dry and can score cylinders and pistons plus no lube to the bearings on the crank and rods which are needle bearings. Also with newer engines a backfire can break the reeds. Hope that helps you understand why to never use it on a 2 stroke.
My grandfather swore by those little Seagull engines,loved em
I’m not into boats, but unique engines are cool no matter what they are for. Plus it’s a two stroke, even better.
Little 2 stroke motors are awesome.
I think you need SAE140 oil in the gearbox. I have a British Seagull engine, bought it because it looked cool - I don't own a boat yet.
Next to excellent content & your sense of humor, I really dig the fact that we don't have to wait a whole week for another video. Keep crankin' em out, Jamie.
Seagull outboards are amazing! You can practically fix one with a pocet knife and a rock. In many ways more reliable than some modern ones. I hope to see more.
We had a 1914 Evenrude. Water cooled, and mostly cast iron. What a tank. It even has reverse. Free tip - if you let the rope get wet, then wrap it around the flywheel when your fishing adventures are done, remember to uncoil it off the flywheel first, before trying to restart it. We found out that the “knot” at the end swells up and won’t pull loose from the flywheel. If the motor starts, you have a lethal weapon at the end that will smack you repeatedly. Also, a 55 gallon drum works great when working on these.
My family had a camp on a lake in FAR northern Vermont and under the stairs was a 1926 Caille (kay lee) outboard that RAN. It had a straight shaft and needed an external coil to work. We used one from a model T (period correct!) You flung the flywheel to start it and mixed a pint of oil per gallon of what they called gas back then. It smoked like Kuwait on fire.
Also, two strokes can't really die.
That engine is a neat find, don't see them everyday that's for sure. It will be good to see it in action!
Love it! The first time I’ve actually seen a Sea Gull in operation, if you wait long enough. I used to see them hung on the wall in a long gone street of boat chandlers down on the water front. All the aluminum looked great, and I seem to remember cylindrical polished brass fuel tanks. All the working parts exposed, unlike all the others, I’m sure it was the mechanical parts that got my attention.
I'm into old marine engines as well. Out in the shop, I've got a 1927 Johnson 2.7hp outboard, a 1952 Johnson Twin 3hp, and a 1942 75 hp Palmer flathead six with shaft-driven generator and water pump. Future projects...
Cool! With no clutch it reminds me of the old movies where someone is trying to start it and it finally starts and they flip off the boat and it runs circles around them!🤣👍
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Pretty neat, haven't seen one of those in a long time.
Little outboards are very cool!
I'm not a boat guy, but this is pretty cool. And it runs!
Hi, I'm Jamie and this is the Motorboatin Mechanic
My Dad used to have a Gray marine one lunger kicking around the shop, I never saw it running but looked cool.
Bicycle ! Bicycle ! I want it on my Bicycle right Now !😊❤
Love all these different videos keep making them! You learn so much working on a verity of engines I've got a bunch of different engines also, some that vary the timing and don't have throttle controls it's always satisfying to get them running even if you just "display them" and never run them again. If you only have the skills to work on one type of engine or car you're not a well-rounded mechanic.
Thats a cool little engine! sounds awesome brap brap.... Tried the DDG brake bleed method on my w150 today and all I can say is ty for the wisdom. I watched the first half of the vid pumping lol. CHEERS DDG!
Nice,you never cease to amuse. You do put that on your plywood boat make sure you have a paddle,don't wanna be stuck up that creek.😅
Oh... I'll have a paddle. Haha.
A different kind of paddle.
Excellent choice in hats! I mean, besides your own merch of course...
Some unit ....sure does shake around...🔧🔧👍
I'm a die hard. If you film it...I will watch.
I had one of these. They produce a surprising amount of thrust for their HP rating.
vintage boat content👍
Aww! Cute wittle engine. You find the coolest stuff dude.
Cute little motor....
Nice change of pace video!
You've gone over board DDG, not the Goldie hawn, Kurt Russell version.
Cool that you can get an engine you know very little about up and running.
This was wonderful! I'm the kinda guy that will work on and fix anything with a spark plug in it! LOL!
It's Jamie, the youtube sensation and a Washington Wonder!
That engine is cool! It reminds me of fixing up and selling trash picked mowers with my grandpa when I was a teenager. We made an “electric starter “ out of a stove bolt and a 1/2 drive socket to turn the flywheels with an electric drill instead of pulling the rip cords. It was always fun to find the socket in the yard after it flew away when the engine started.
Just as I was thinking to myself…..how can there not be a choke?…..you found the choke 👍 little devil sounds pretty good!
Very cool little motor!
If it quacks like a duck! It's time for afternoon tea :-)
So cool!! I drug a tiny little 2hp Johnson seahorse outboard motor out of my dad’s barn and got it unseized and running. So satisfying, even if I don’t have anything to put it on yet.
The way you have sitting there, technically, you're working on a slant one.
Nice 🤣
Cool little motor
I have a late 60s or early 70s ish Chrysler outboard motor that is a 2 cylinder 2 stroke. It has both the pull rope clutch and a rap around rope for the top for redundancy. Took me for ever to thing to idle and run. Fun times lol.
I usually take my father out fishing with it.
I've never seen or heard of on either also.
Thanks for the video 👍
In the early 70s my dad was buying and selling small boats and outboard motors to get a rig that he liked .
He bought a 12 ft aluminum lightweight semi-vee boat that came with a trailer and 6 horsepower Chrysler outboard .
The Chrysler outboard was great in lakes where there was no current .
As we found out in the Delaware River between Northern NJ and Eastern PA , it wasn't so good going back up stream against the current.
We had to be towed by another fisherman.
Needless to say the Chrysler and the lightweight boat went up for sale the next day.
Good Times
The engine you have was built prior to 1979 because of the 10 to 1 oil mix. Later engines were 25 to 1.
I read that! I did figure out that it must be an early 70s engine but I don’t remember what the tell was. The carb type perhaps? In any case, it’s new enough to have the larger crank bushing, which means it is safe to run on 25:1.
That thing is so freaking cool nice video
That's cool as hell
I’ll always watch boat videos! I’m a fan!
Mustie1 got one of these. His was totally seized so he had to pull it apart to get it working. Might want to watch that video. Will give you a chance to see the internals and how it all goes together. It is titled "seized British silver seagull Engine, Any Good?" From a month ago. :)
Thexe little seagulls run them regularly they can be reliable super easy to fix cool
Old engines are always interesting to me.
Those Seagull outbards engines were popular, be more surprised if somebody wasn't making gasket kits and other basic parts for them.
I was more into aircraft engines, the oddball W, H, and X cylinder bank layouts- the bluepirints(all hand drawn!) were wild, too bad no running examples are left.
Still have some of those model airplane engines and a run stand
British stuff and Whitworth fasteners- 1/2"W is 12 threads per inch, US is 13, so that was a issue, but the rest were OK.
Have Fun!
I would love to play with goofy aircraft engines too. That sounds expensive…
@@DeadDodgeGarage Antique Aircraft Engines- So rare, so expensive, so shovel cubic boatloads of cash at 'em!
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Dude, that little thing is cool as hell. I have a hard bottomed inflatable that needs that lol.
Kewl little 2 Sickille
Hello small revival
Pretty cool lil motor....!! 🙂
Simplicity Rules.
That is the best spark and fuel makes fire
...The Washington Bumble Bee!
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Sounds like a old 50cc dirt bike when it's revving down.
That’s what I thought!
The lower units on these have no seals- oil replacement is every 10 hours. Yes, the oil will be milky every time you drain it.
Very interesting. Good to know.
Cool
That’s the weirdest magnum 360 I’ve ever seen
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Im just waiting for your Amphibious Plymouth Belvedere.
Yes. A Plymouth Belvedere. Why a Plymouth Belvedere?
Because, Amphibious 1966 Plymouth Belvedere, lets make this happen.
😂😂😂
English trolling motor? Being Briitish you have to say "Al-u-min-e-mum". Righto, ol' chap! Carry on now!
You’re totally right, I dropped the ball there 😅
@@DeadDodgeGarage British seagull....the London version of a 170 commando
That was definitely some British trolling. 😁
no more smiles per gallon than with a 2-smoke...I think it needs to power a skateboard
Well that worked out! Thats the best $25 garage sale find I've ever had.
Oh hell yeah!
Of course it’s going to work it’s British.
Come on people watch this video....I wanna see part 2.
Yeahhhhhh it ain’t happening. Lol
Stick a magnet on the outside to re magnetise it..
That’s interesting.
If you get a chance check out Allen millyard he’s a great guy and I’m sure you will like his stuff that he has built. That’s where I got the magnet idea from so credits to Allan.Regards Roy
It's British, is it really good to keep that one near or in water ? but it may not be J Lucas ignition though so maybe ok
You were in town and didn’t stop by? Thank you.😂
You’re welcome, I think 😅 but if you need five C-bodies to park in your yard I know a guy.
@@DeadDodgeGarageNot me and my city sized lot, but my hillbilly sisters would love it I’m sure
Lol that thing is cool
Not that it would be half as exciting as a pull rope but could you use a battery powered drill on that hex bolt to start it?
Used my impact. Barely turned it and I didn’t want to ruin stuff.
@@DeadDodgeGarage interesting.
Instead if the rope, you could spin it over with a battery powered impact wrench.
Tried it during filming actually. It did turn it slowly, but I feared for the tiny threads on that nut.
I think Mustie1 just had one of these
He did!
Mustie 1 did one
I heard!
Then put it on one of those plastic Little tike boats
Omg I’ve seen a couple of those and I love it
Excellent engine they use mineral oil not two stroke
Ok Jamie it's been more than 30 seconds
Oh?
The only thing this engine needs is a Holley 1920.......
Fffftttt
@@DeadDodgeGarage okay then, how about nylon strings on a Les Paul?
A friend of mine had something very similar it was called a cruise n carry ۔ it was air cooled weighed if I remember right ،،،Twelve lbs and we figured it to be one and a half horse power maybe more not sure now that you say that was five the joke was a weed whacker w a propeller and we were not far off lol nice little piece of history there but I knew it had to be water cooled as there is not a cooling fin anywhere to be seen
That’s pretty much what this is, just a slightly bigger weed whacker at 35 pounds. Haha.
@@DeadDodgeGarage I thought he said the cruise and carry was made and sold by Sears and robuck back in the seventies
I can see hemi swapping that motor
How though? Haha
@@DeadDodgeGarage hook it up to that large exhaust pipe
I'm not nobody & I watched it....
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It's 2 hp at most. Cute. Sounds like my chainsaw.
Actually, according to the spec sheet, different variations made 3-4.5 HP.
Ohh will this be another contender for the least watched video? I can't wait to find out. P.S. It's so cute.
BIG TIME, lol. It probably won’t be as bad as the Lemons video, but still…
Should have been a rich and lean lever on it
This style carb doesn’t have one. But they used several different types of carbs over the years.
Your slowly turning into me ❤😂 however don't do it 😂. I believe that motor makes 1.5 hp to 3. I will check for ya.
Hi Rooster
@@kennethflusche7900 well hello there. I have to go play with outboards lol
Century silver series - the horsepower “category” according to an ancient brochure is 3-4.5 HP.
@DeadDodgeGarage well then you have a beast. I don't know where the impeller is but you can bet it's cooked. Old and dry and you ran it with no water. There may be a guy I know that can get you one. Doug Penn. I can right him if you want. He knows things lol
So make me understand: You live on the Washington coast. Sea gulls are everywhere! Yet you went out of your way to fly one over from across the pond??? Well ok I know when this left the other side of the pond you weren't even a twinkle in your papa's eye. And yes I concede that you only went as far east as Spokane.....but really????? Ok just kidding. Cool little motor.
Yeah... it's all very silly. Haha.
I just stilck my weed-wacker over the side
Basically the same idea
Dead Seagull Garage! (Needs a turbo and EFI)
I disagree 😅 someone else said to supercharge it
Stick it on a valiant and drive past a car show full of gm cars.
I like where your head’s at. My neighbor also said I should put it on a car.
@@DeadDodgeGarage put it on the turbo slant car because "the slant 6 is just a boat anchor" Gotta have some shits and giggles once in a while
Since you are into boats, you should know about the marine 440. The gross SAE ratings of automotive engines back then was grossly optimistic, but not so for marine engines. You would know right away if your 200 claimed hp was real or not because in a boat you can go wide open and still only do 30 knots. So, the 440's 330 hp rating at 4000 rpm was close to reality. 330 hp net, 375 hp gross, not bad. A 375 hp chevy would barely do 220 hp back then.
I happen to have marine 440 exhaust manifolds, flywheel, bellhousing, special distributor, reverse rotation camshaft, mounts and more in a pile.
@@DeadDodgeGarage I bet the gas passages are similar to the log 440 manifolds. I saw a dyno test somewhere on the internet of a 440 with the log and HP manifolds, and there was no power difference all the way to 5000 rpm. Perhaps at 5500 the HP manifolds would do a bit better, but I think the main reason for the HP exhaust manifolds was gimmick. Cheers.
It need a belt driven Super Charger
The tiniest one ever made.
I have a 1.2hp NEPTUNE 1939 year. Look a little different but similar carb. That throttle is exactly the same as a bsa,triumph motorcycle choke lever!!! lol