OLI: What was your biggest takeaway from the Vince McMahon Netflix Documentary? Let us know in the comments. The Fall of the McMahon Family 👉 th-cam.com/video/K-bCFZ4jxAs/w-d-xo.html More wrestling news on wrestletalk.com/ Unlock the secrets to working in professional wrestling, sign up to www.wrestlingmasterclass.com/ 00:59 - VINCE ADMITS TO HYPOCRISY 02:34 - VINCE & HIS FATHER 03:46 - VINCE & SHANE 05:15 - MONTREAL SCREWJOB 07:50 - VINCE MCMAHON STILL HATES PHIL MUSHNICK 08:41 - OWEN HART’S DEATH 09:53 - HOW VINCE FEELS TOWARDS WRESTLER DEATHS 11:06 - WHEN VINCE STOPPED HIS INVOLVEMENT WITH THE DOCUSERIES 12:09 - VINCE ON RETIREMENT AND HOW HE SEES HIMSELF
McMahon is a victim of his horrendous childhood. Not an excuse for anything but it's the truth. His karma is coming. As is karma for his pudding of a best friend. (the one who is bright orange, used to be president and who scalped Vince at WM23) You know what they say about certain types of people attracting certain types of people, right?
My thing is how this documentary kinda proves that the Shane hate over the last few years by fans was on the wrong McMahon. Cause Vince and others admit on here that he never listened to Shane about anything. But now he listened enough to let Shane book the Rumble leading to his big "Roman/Brock 3"?
Look brock winning is not made that rumble bad rest of the booking of the rumble is bad no big spots no pops just lads coming and holding its shane fault he made himself a big deal in that too lol
Remember when Vince booked December to Dismember over Paul Heyman? Heyman was the one who was scapegoated for it. I wouldn’t be surprised if the same happened with Shane in 2022
Shane had a few really good ideas that could fix a lot of WWF/E's blunders, like ECW becoming non-televised, internet-exclusive show shot in the original ECW Arena for local superfans and unrestricted by TV station owners. But he wasn't perfect and if you have an idea that Vince didn't like, Vince would use the smallest mistake as an excuse to burn effects of your efforts down and make you feel like a failure.
@xerael4659 I'm not a Vince defender, but Shane also had a lot of bad ideas Like Raw Underground, and his own royal rumble booking in 2022, or the World's greatest wrestler. The man considered himself on the level of a major main eventer even in his 50's
My favorite moment was in episode 5 where Paul Heyman said Vince had only had 1 monogamous relationship his entire life and that was with the company he created and in that relationship the business was in charge... basically saying in no uncertain terms Vince cared about the WWE more than anything else even his family
I cannot tell you how easy it is for me to see that show "Succession" as a story about Vince McMahon. Someone who is absolutely obsessed with the idea of competition and wanting to "win" more than anything else - even if it means trampling over friends and family.
I think people make too big a deal of this in terms of actual impact. He's a rat and it was a douche move for sure but realistically speaking there was never gonna be a union. It's been almost 40 years since and the fact noone has since tried speaks volumes. The top talent see it as against their best interests and the mid card guys see themselves as the future top tier. Add in the fact that between management and others wrestlers gunning for their spot wrestlers are some of the most paranoid and suspicious people on the planet, and it's DOA. ".They can't even agree on which waffle house to stop at, they ain't gonna be agreeing on a union. ". (paraphrasing)
A wrestlers union would have only hurt Hogan. The wrestlers would had to have been given fair treatment, so Hogans best weapon, backstage politics, would have become useless
The victims. The victims are right. Steroid scandal, buying off cops to cover for Snuka murdering his gf, ring boy scandal, SA a female referee, the case of Ms. Grant... ect.... ect.. no one has that much smoke without fire. He's scum. He made the wrestling world worse. I'm glad he's out.
Agree. I also thought it was funny how he invaded other territories to poach their best guys, but got mad when his wrestlers went to WCW. Basically when anyone did to him what he was doing to them, he played victim. He’s a conniving dirtbag. But there are no ethical billionaires, are there?
Vince is like Hogan from the point of spewing unimaginable ramblings to the media as poorly made damage control/denial, forgetting that the year is 2024 and internet exists. This fossil of a man is just evil. Hogan isn't evil, he just thinks it's the 80's and still believes in his own hype.
Yeeeeeah Hogan is evil. Lest we forget he was the rat who stopped them unionising, his billion and a half lies, his casual racism, his deep and powerful greed...
And he is thankfully not a super-dee-duper real-life Dirty Old Man either too. And speaking of Dirty Old Men, I felt like David Zaslav is also a Dirty Old Man too because of well, he is responsible for creating Toddlers and Tiaras and thus, he gets the Nickname of Dirty David.
@@maturanita You do realize "big titty blonde" was his type before Brooke was born, right. That's literally why she looks how she looks. Some conclusions require a smidgen of critical thinking, beyond "Whatever Simon Miller said"... maybe jot that down and try it later.
We all know that if we heard "No Chance In Hell" hit on Raw, we'd pop. Wrestling is one of those things where separating the character from the human is a requirement for good and bad reasons.
It's funny that Vince said you would have to get rid of him if he wouldn't go to Shane. Because I hundred percent believe that Stephanie is the one that leaked the information to the newspapers to begin with that started this whole ball rolling. I believe she was prepared to get rid of him because he wouldn't step aside. She just wasn't willing to put a knife in his chest or didn't get the chance.
When I heard Paul Heyman tell that story I was like well ofc Shane or Steph wouldn't put a knife to his chest considering yknow, you would go to prison and all that
Vince only regrets things that didn't give him more money and power. He regrets basically one thing, that he didn't think Ms. Grant would press charges if he didn't keep paying. Thats his only regret.
The fact undertaker and stone cold dont believe in cte should require them to have a conversation with dr bennet omalu (the man who discovered cte/the condition that occurs after all concussions)
@@RiBA__ just saying for people who deny cte. Should take time to read on Dr. Bennet Omalus discoveries on how concussions and cte can cause issues later in life.
@@RiBA__ those cuts were weird, simply because the question wasn't told to us. If the question was "do you think pro wrestling can cause CTE?" then them asnwering "i don't believe that" makes sense because they weren't concussed nearly as many times as benoit was, who everyone can agree was reckless. Also one time stone cold said he didn't really understand it and would like to talk to people idk
Yeah. Stone Cold just mentioning few concussions when the stories I've read about the research in response to football is all the "mini" collisions like punches, hitting the mat, etc contribute as well.
Vince’s father was a cold man who cared about business which affected Vince and he did the same thing to his son I hope Shane broke the cycle with his own kids.
Any time Vince is telling the story, and there is nobody to corroborate, a brick of salt is needed. He can tell all the stories about how tough it was being his dad's son, but it is just his word. He made a living telling stories.
He said he doesn’t believe you get CTE from professional wrestling, in his career he only had one from Owen, if you’re safe and do it properly chances are low…that’s different from you claiming he doesn’t believe in CTE in general. Get your facts straight.
The hypocrisy of Vince’s statement is too much! Remember the Ultimate Warrior DVD? How about the Bret Hart DVD that had both a “positive” and “negative” version to be released depending on whether or not the Hitman came on board with the project? It’s soooo rich that Vince (of all people) would consider criticizing someone for a skewed narrative in a documentary. Poetically, they should have titled the series “The Self-Destruction of Vince McMahon”!!!
He loves to play the victim. The funniest moment of the docuseries for me was him whining about Ted Turner and Eric Bischoff raiding WWF talent in the mid-90s 😂😂😂.
@@megamanxhunter It's so strange how his persona is hyper-macho tough ruthless businessman, but he whines the second he has any legitimate competition.
@@stevendchu He was whining about Bob Costas and the media about the 1st XFL, but he forgot he put himself in that position, because when he announced the 1st XFL back in 2000, he took shots at the NFL every chances he got.
Unbelievable that they would claim, "We didn't care about you, Bret. We were trying to make Owen a star." DISGUSTING lie. They did nothing more than use that wonderful man, husband, and father as cannon fodder. Smh
A friend of mine recently made a video on the Owen Hart accident and mentioned that Owen was waiting for his contract to end so he could retire to be there for his family
slight misquote on the Owen point, Brett said if it had been Shane who fell Vince would have called of the show, Vince then makes it about himself, probably because Brett is right, but it's easier to say keep going if I die than to keep going if your family member dies
Triple H claims he told Vince to screw Bret. Jim Cornette claims it was his idea. Vince Russo also claims it was he himself who suggested it. 2 of three are just outright lying, if not 3/3.
Something caught my attention which I didn't know about. It's not an excuse for Vince neither should it give people a sympathetic outlook at his depraved actions. He was physically abused by his step father and sexually abused by his own mother as a child. Alot of rapists and messed up people seem to share the same childhood trauma leading to them becoming monsters themselves. It's both interesting and sad to think about how such childhood trauma can mentally affect a person, to the point where as they become adults -- something in their psyche is altered/broken. Other people become objects, kids are so impressionable.. it's like the mental switch goes "I was used like a ragdol as if I meant nothing, so...The same applies for everyone else". People who haven't gone through this kind of trauma would likely not understand how different that experience makes you from everyone else. It almost alters a person's DNA in a way. Again, it's not an excuse for Vince and there's many who've gone through this kind of thing and live their lives as model citizens doing everything to prevent it happening again. But yeah, on the flip side there's those like McMahon who just never mentally make it to that point. I guess what's truly sad about this is Rape and abuse is still happening wildspread in the current day, and it's horrible to think about the mental hurdles those children have to overcome and potentially the wrong side of things where they'd end up as adults.
Yeah, it's the endless debate of nature vs. nurture, Vince is most likely a sociopath and what he did has no justification but if such an evil man who holds huge grudges has to block out his childhood I can't even begin to imagine what he lived.
What got me, where I had to pause... I didn't know Owen hart blood was still on the mat and they continued the show. I had to take a beat. That really got me. As much as I know about his tragic death I had no idea his blood was on the mat. That broke my heart.
He was asked about his son dying and how that would that affect the show. Then said "if it happened to me I would say continue" I died on that one. He just said he doesn't care about his own son...
part of the blood in the ring wasn't from Owen. It was from a houseshow days before, i think this was mentioned in the Dark Side of the Ring. Kinda strange that the mat wasn't changed for that Event.
so that was wild! I looked into it, and apparently that blood was due to a bloodbath during Sunday night heat. I refused to ever fully watch the PPV or the heat before, so I never knew. I couldn't wrap my head around the show continuing at all but with his blood on the mat?! AWFUL. It's a crime scene regardless. It doesn't make it right but I'm so glad that it wasn't his blood that stained the mat. Man oh man, the way the undertaker and pat patterson's facial expressions are chilling.
I honestly almost laughed while watching the documentary when people like Tony Atlas said Vince McMahon isn't racist and he always tries to give the fans what we want.
I feel journalists never asked Vince the right questions on how much responsibility he felt he had with wrestlers dying young. Perhaps they could have asked him if he looks back and feels maybe he overworked them, set the bar too high. He rewarded the most physically fit and gave them no time off to recover, which maybe pushed wrestlers to both take steroids and pain killers to perform on a consistent basis. Yes, he didn’t hold a gun to their heads. But later in life, he changed the work schedule and removed chair shots to the head, etc. His actions show he was taking into account the health of his talent, but long after the business took a toll on a number of wrestlers. I don’t think he would admit regret. But you could maybe weasel something out of him. Everyone seemed more interested in attacking him & never got anywhere in their interviews
I always found it weird that Vince would pitch that he or Shane feed the father of Stephanie's baby because would pitch such a crazy incest idea? Although, after finding out that he implies that his mother would sexually assault him, it really makes a lot of it come more into perspective.
I will never get over the fact that Vince handed Shane a knife & told him to stab him. I had to take s moment after that to run it back & then take a break because of how BATSHIT this was
Remember, he once dared Kofi Kingston to fight him on a plane to prove that he deserved to be a main event contender in the WWE. There are ZERO legit companies out there other than WWE where any situation like that would ever happen.
The Mr McMahon documentary completely missed his endeavors with Evel Knievel that nearly put him out of business most of the documentary was a rehash of the Monday night Wars that you can watch on peacock
And how she happily recalls Linda telling Vince that if he gave Steph a black eye she would divorce him on the spot. "And I thought my family was fucked up" - Baldur.
I thought one of the craziest things in this was Bret thinking they intentionally killed Owen to get at him. The f*cking ego on Bret to make his brother's death be about him.
When your Grieving you get angry and look for someone to blame. When people close to other's die they look for reasons or people to blame. People really struggle with accidents that take people close to them lives. I believe its because it makes the world feel less under control. Like how if one thing happens i lose someone close to me no real reason just they are gone. So i think it quite a common response to grief.
I dont think youre aware of how much he can squat.... if you did, it'd totally change your view bro!! Just look at how vascular that ripped hero is, I mean..... C'MON bro..... do some research
Netflix did a great job, The Mr. McMahon documentary series is absolutely phenomenal, found out a lot of different aspects of Vince’s life and the beginning of WWE I didn’t know before.
He’s not a denier of CTE he just stated that if you wrestle properly you shouldn’t be getting CTE. He only had one in his career and that was from a botched move.
Is this the first confirmation of Brock being alleged wrestler in the lawsuit? I know it was pretty much spelled out, but nobody ever said as much officially.
It went exactly how I thought it would, 90% fluff and only a little bit of criticism of Vince. As an aside, I was very angry when Stone Cold said he didn’t believe in CTE
Will depend on what court hes charged in. Only criminal cases can be streamed. It its civil or federal there is a system to call in and listen but its cant be recorded.
The most shocking thing to me was when Bruce Prichard said he had watched the previous 5 episodes and thought it came off like a hit piece. If you ask me, the documentary / interviewers didnt grill him enough about the past mistakes / crimes hes committed.
Either I'm desensitized from being a WWE fan since 98 but I didn't think it was that damning...or bias...I thought Vince was reserved and didn't really reveal much..
Same, I still have the last episode to go, but the first 5 show and tell pretty much what is common knowledge. But today’s society is as soft as hot butter so they see it differently.
@driver8703 yeah I think Vince is like a person that let the power go to his head, but we knew that, but he equally did care for Bruce Prichards wife...so, which I don't really see being mentioned anywhere on Wrestling news headlines because it doesn't get views. His other activities over shadow that and rightfully so.
Just finished the last one and still doesn’t change my opinion. Saw Bruce’s “review” of the series and his story about his wife, and I think he’s a bit wrong to call it a hit piece because of the title of the series and the way Vince describes his personal self and tv character. He and many say his character is “Mr. McMahon”, the title of the series. So I think the series showed just that, went into Vince’s younger days, but a majority of a man that lives wrestling to the bone, it sticks to the wrestling and all the facts of the past. It addresses all of the allegations, states them, details them, but doesn’t lead you to form an opinion one way or the other. The only really bad thing I didn’t already know was him dismissing so easily CTE with Benoit. Everything else is kind of common knowledge and still left to discover as the lawsuits work themselves through.
agreed, i think it was very well made and anyone saying it was a hitpiece only is looking at the badly taken out of context lines some people are pulling.
The audience didnt really see what happened? The man fell from the sky. Man that got me heated a bit. Then following up that with vinces and others take on concussions woof man just woof
The funniest/ironic thing was during episode 6 Bruce Pritchard was asked if he saw this series, and it was nearly, if not verbatim what Vince said in his post on X
Am I the only one who remembers that right after Bret left, before Owen became the Blue Blazer again, Owen walked into the ring in street clothes and confronted McMahon. If anyone wants to see where the Stone Cold vs McMahon thing started, I always felt there was a seed of it here. The crowd cheered Owen and booed Vince.... which is likely why that angle was shelved right quick.
Vince claiming that taker doesn't remember the match from the shock of losing the streak is insane. Taker 100% was concussed in the match and taken to the hospital because of it. He literally could not remember his own name when the doctors asked him and he tried to get Michelle (his wife) to cheat and tell him his name to try and pass their tests. Losing the streak isn't going to make you forget your name 😂
Nothing really shocking came from it honestly. I thought it was a pretty balanced piece. Nothing came out that pushed me further in either direction. Basically concludes that he's a flawed, but immensely successful person. Basically a businessman that hurt people on his way to the top. Seems to be par for the course for most successful business people. He was really good to some and really bad to others.
If, as Vince stated, the viewing audience was on blackout WHY was Owen already dangling on the line and capable of falling? It seems that Owen would have just waited until very moment when, on camera, he was ready to descend on camera to the ring. The fact it transpired differently is suspect and worthy of investigation as possibly hinting at actual intent on the part of WWE decision makers in orchestrating the whole thing.
I've seen the first 3 episodes so far, and have learned nothing new. I was really hoping to hear more personal details about Vince, but so far it's just the usual wrestling history talking points. I hope it gets more interesting, because so far it's mostly WWF/E history with touchstones on McMahon's role.
You realize the audience isn’t just you right? There are more ppl on Netflix that didn’t know of Vince or WWE in this light that now have more takes from stars and the man himself. Try to think outside of yourself Mr. Low IQ?
Doesn't change my love of wwe regardless it's okay to still like the product while really knowing what went down behind the scenes hope everyone that was affected by this gets help immediately ❤❤ heard a few months back he was even sending inappropriate messages to women
I watched every episode. I learned basically nothing new. This series was ***not*** for us, the wrestling fans. Also, I just want to confirm that at 39 years old, Bret Hart is still my fucking hero. 🇨🇦
Vince doesn’t hold responsibility for the wrestlers choosing to take steroids or the concussions these are adults that are choosing to take the drugs and take chair shots.
There weren’t any new revelations in the docuseries. Bill Simmons just reused old WWE documentaries to make this with some updated interviews that didn’t say anything new.
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00:59 - VINCE ADMITS TO HYPOCRISY
02:34 - VINCE & HIS FATHER
03:46 - VINCE & SHANE
05:15 - MONTREAL SCREWJOB
07:50 - VINCE MCMAHON STILL HATES PHIL MUSHNICK
08:41 - OWEN HART’S DEATH
09:53 - HOW VINCE FEELS TOWARDS WRESTLER DEATHS
11:06 - WHEN VINCE STOPPED HIS INVOLVEMENT WITH THE DOCUSERIES
12:09 - VINCE ON RETIREMENT AND HOW HE SEES HIMSELF
McMahon is a victim of his horrendous childhood. Not an excuse for anything but it's the truth. His karma is coming. As is karma for his pudding of a best friend. (the one who is bright orange, used to be president and who scalped Vince at WM23) You know what they say about certain types of people attracting certain types of people, right?
My biggest takeaway is that Vince is a rotten awful human being and always has been
Good dog you should join Vince in his prison cell, open your pants for him @@user-tk4bn6rn1f
@@user-tk4bn6rn1f Vince made himself look bad by doing bad things. Just accept it
Vince and his computers in his head
My thing is how this documentary kinda proves that the Shane hate over the last few years by fans was on the wrong McMahon. Cause Vince and others admit on here that he never listened to Shane about anything. But now he listened enough to let Shane book the Rumble leading to his big "Roman/Brock 3"?
Look brock winning is not made that rumble bad rest of the booking of the rumble is bad no big spots no pops just lads coming and holding its shane fault he made himself a big deal in that too lol
@@UltimateFarmer007 Again Shane's hands may have been tied by Vince saying "make sure nobody looks better than Brock pal".
Remember when Vince booked December to Dismember over Paul Heyman? Heyman was the one who was scapegoated for it. I wouldn’t be surprised if the same happened with Shane in 2022
Shane had a few really good ideas that could fix a lot of WWF/E's blunders, like ECW becoming non-televised, internet-exclusive show shot in the original ECW Arena for local superfans and unrestricted by TV station owners. But he wasn't perfect and if you have an idea that Vince didn't like, Vince would use the smallest mistake as an excuse to burn effects of your efforts down and make you feel like a failure.
@xerael4659 I'm not a Vince defender, but Shane also had a lot of bad ideas Like Raw Underground, and his own royal rumble booking in 2022, or the World's greatest wrestler.
The man considered himself on the level of a major main eventer even in his 50's
The way they casual talk about CTE and abuse is crazy
Disappointing to hear Stone Cold saying that he "Doesn't believe CTE exists".
@@adamgough9333 Exactly.
Rvd comments from 'Plane ride from Hell'.
@@adamgough9333 same! I was like wait..what.
FACTS.
My favorite moment was in episode 5 where Paul Heyman said Vince had only had 1 monogamous relationship his entire life and that was with the company he created and in that relationship the business was in charge... basically saying in no uncertain terms Vince cared about the WWE more than anything else even his family
I cannot tell you how easy it is for me to see that show "Succession" as a story about Vince McMahon. Someone who is absolutely obsessed with the idea of competition and wanting to "win" more than anything else - even if it means trampling over friends and family.
Seems like he sees himself in the show.
FACTS.
Mcmahon family drama is basically Succession but somehow even worse and sadder
@@johans3164 Coming soon to a streaming service?
Vince screwed Vince
A rumor that Vince Russo denies and said "trust me, never happened bro"
By Bret hart also F bill goldberg.
@@DamariJackson24goldberg isn't bothered what a nobody tramp thinks lol
Big thanks to you and Dave for watching it all in one sitting! There were actually a few things that I never heard about.
the statue of limitations comment was the most shocking thing i’ve heard in awhile
I did a spittle when I heard that!
Hearing that makes me think he’s lost a lot of mental acuity
@@wolfman210 For the record, when he made that comment it was from an interview byte from 2021. Back when he still believed he was untouchable.
@@DigiDestined55XI’ve got a feeling he still thinks that way. I so hope he takes the stand, doubt it though.
Hulk Hogan bragging about killing the wrestlers Union was a sight to behold.
I especially liked how he categorized it as "undermining Vince".
Just to think if he didnt tell Vince and the union came to be, maybe plenty of wrestlers would still be alive today
That’s cause it wasn’t gonna work for him, brother
I think people make too big a deal of this in terms of actual impact. He's a rat and it was a douche move for sure but realistically speaking there was never gonna be a union. It's been almost 40 years since and the fact noone has since tried speaks volumes. The top talent see it as against their best interests and the mid card guys see themselves as the future top tier. Add in the fact that between management and others wrestlers gunning for their spot wrestlers are some of the most paranoid and suspicious people on the planet, and it's DOA. ".They can't even agree on which waffle house to stop at, they ain't gonna be agreeing on a union. ". (paraphrasing)
A wrestlers union would have only hurt Hogan. The wrestlers would had to have been given fair treatment, so Hogans best weapon, backstage politics, would have become useless
The victims. The victims are right. Steroid scandal, buying off cops to cover for Snuka murdering his gf, ring boy scandal, SA a female referee, the case of Ms. Grant... ect.... ect.. no one has that much smoke without fire. He's scum. He made the wrestling world worse. I'm glad he's out.
FACTS.
Agree. I also thought it was funny how he invaded other territories to poach their best guys, but got mad when his wrestlers went to WCW. Basically when anyone did to him what he was doing to them, he played victim. He’s a conniving dirtbag. But there are no ethical billionaires, are there?
@@MishaLaurelanti hypocrites always are.
Don't forget Vince and WWE covering up Ashley's Massaro assault with the US army because they didn't want to impact their relationship
And yet you and millions of people watch every week 😂
Vince is like Hogan from the point of spewing unimaginable ramblings to the media
as poorly made damage control/denial, forgetting that the year is 2024 and internet exists.
This fossil of a man is just evil. Hogan isn't evil, he just thinks it's the 80's and still believes in his own hype.
Yeeeeeah Hogan is evil. Lest we forget he was the rat who stopped them unionising, his billion and a half lies, his casual racism, his deep and powerful greed...
@MultiCladi wouldn’t say Hogan isn’t evil, but rather that he is no way near as evil as Vince.
And he is thankfully not a super-dee-duper real-life Dirty Old Man either too.
And speaking of Dirty Old Men, I felt like David Zaslav is also a Dirty Old Man too because of well, he is responsible for creating Toddlers and Tiaras and thus, he gets the Nickname of Dirty David.
@@maxleon61702 isn’t he though? Marrying someone who looks disturbingly like your daughter qualifies at least as weird
@@maturanita You do realize "big titty blonde" was his type before Brooke was born, right. That's literally why she looks how she looks.
Some conclusions require a smidgen of critical thinking, beyond "Whatever Simon Miller said"... maybe jot that down and try it later.
So, basically, it seems this documentary shows Vince as a hypocritical Sociopath. Something we knew for decades. Nothing new, then!
Hey, at least we have him ON RECORD being a hypocrite and sociopath.
Pretty much
@@user-tk4bn6rn1f I wouldn't say long time fans don't care. We're just not surprised, sadly.
And yet WWE fans still loves him like a god
We all know that if we heard "No Chance In Hell" hit on Raw, we'd pop. Wrestling is one of those things where separating the character from the human is a requirement for good and bad reasons.
Wwe guilty of hypocrisy!!!?? What!!?
Shocked pikachu face
Why I’m SHOCKED🙄
@@user-tk4bn6rn1fgood dog , the Vince McMahon cell will have a opening ceremony for your kiss my ass club 😂😂
*Drone's Law:* As an online discussion criticising WWE grows longer, the probability of a WWE fanboy mentioning AEW out of nowhere approaches 1
@@user-tk4bn6rn1f Grow up 😂
Thanks for the video I was looking for something like this are you guys still doing jam that jam
FACTS.
It's funny that Vince said you would have to get rid of him if he wouldn't go to Shane. Because I hundred percent believe that Stephanie is the one that leaked the information to the newspapers to begin with that started this whole ball rolling. I believe she was prepared to get rid of him because he wouldn't step aside. She just wasn't willing to put a knife in his chest or didn't get the chance.
When I heard Paul Heyman tell that story I was like well ofc Shane or Steph wouldn't put a knife to his chest considering yknow, you would go to prison and all that
Vince only regrets things that didn't give him more money and power. He regrets basically one thing, that he didn't think Ms. Grant would press charges if he didn't keep paying. Thats his only regret.
The fact undertaker and stone cold dont believe in cte should require them to have a conversation with dr bennet omalu (the man who discovered cte/the condition that occurs after all concussions)
Austin is a fuckin tool
They believe in CTE man they just want to protect Vince so they’ll say silly stuff like that..
@@RiBA__ just saying for people who deny cte. Should take time to read on Dr. Bennet Omalus discoveries on how concussions and cte can cause issues later in life.
@@RiBA__ those cuts were weird, simply because the question wasn't told to us.
If the question was "do you think pro wrestling can cause CTE?" then them asnwering "i don't believe that" makes sense because they weren't concussed nearly as many times as benoit was, who everyone can agree was reckless. Also one time stone cold said he didn't really understand it and would like to talk to people idk
Yeah. Stone Cold just mentioning few concussions when the stories I've read about the research in response to football is all the "mini" collisions like punches, hitting the mat, etc contribute as well.
Vince’s father was a cold man who cared about business which affected Vince and he did the same thing to his son I hope Shane broke the cycle with his own kids.
Love how the Wiseman summed up Vince. " Vince does not own the business. The business owes Vince. It is his only love and passion"
Any time Vince is telling the story, and there is nobody to corroborate, a brick of salt is needed. He can tell all the stories about how tough it was being his dad's son, but it is just his word. He made a living telling stories.
Stone cold saying he doesn’t believe in CTE.. 🥴
He said he doesn’t believe you get CTE from professional wrestling, in his career he only had one from Owen, if you’re safe and do it properly chances are low…that’s different from you claiming he doesn’t believe in CTE in general. Get your facts straight.
@@jmb2467wife beating scum so who cares what he believes.
The hypocrisy of Vince’s statement is too much! Remember the Ultimate Warrior DVD? How about the Bret Hart DVD that had both a “positive” and “negative” version to be released depending on whether or not the Hitman came on board with the project? It’s soooo rich that Vince (of all people) would consider criticizing someone for a skewed narrative in a documentary. Poetically, they should have titled the series “The Self-Destruction of Vince McMahon”!!!
You know how long I been waiting for this 😮
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His lack of remorse about his questionable behaviors over the years is the worst part
He loves to play the victim. The funniest moment of the docuseries for me was him whining about Ted Turner and Eric Bischoff raiding WWF talent in the mid-90s 😂😂😂.
@@megamanxhunter It's so strange how his persona is hyper-macho tough ruthless businessman, but he whines the second he has any legitimate competition.
@@stevendchu He was whining about Bob Costas and the media about the 1st XFL, but he forgot he put himself in that position, because when he announced the 1st XFL back in 2000, he took shots at the NFL every chances he got.
Shane was spot on about the ufc. Damn
Watch Over The Edge 1999 Review on Reliving The War that was not Owen's blood on the mat
Unbelievable that they would claim, "We didn't care about you, Bret. We were trying to make Owen a star." DISGUSTING lie. They did nothing more than use that wonderful man, husband, and father as cannon fodder. Smh
Not trying to be harsh but Owen should have left. He made the decision to stay
@@onyxmiller6954 No, he didn't. They refused to let him out of his contract. He had no choice.
@@HennaG-y9x fuck that should have left with bret
A friend of mine recently made a video on the Owen Hart accident and mentioned that Owen was waiting for his contract to end so he could retire to be there for his family
slight misquote on the Owen point, Brett said if it had been Shane who fell Vince would have called of the show, Vince then makes it about himself, probably because Brett is right, but it's easier to say keep going if I die than to keep going if your family member dies
Vince Mcmahon is like a real life persona 5 villain
Triple H claims he told Vince to screw Bret. Jim Cornette claims it was his idea. Vince Russo also claims it was he himself who suggested it. 2 of three are just outright lying, if not 3/3.
Your fall of the McMahons video is better than Netflix doc. 👍
Kinda wish they mentioned Eddies death was the pivotal moment that eventually led to the Benoit tragedy
I was also expecting that part to be mentioned.
It's odd that goldberg wasn't mentioned nor even shown during the episode showing the rise and success of WCW.
Something caught my attention which I didn't know about. It's not an excuse for Vince neither should it give people a sympathetic outlook at his depraved actions. He was physically abused by his step father and sexually abused by his own mother as a child. Alot of rapists and messed up people seem to share the same childhood trauma leading to them becoming monsters themselves. It's both interesting and sad to think about how such childhood trauma can mentally affect a person, to the point where as they become adults -- something in their psyche is altered/broken. Other people become objects, kids are so impressionable.. it's like the mental switch goes "I was used like a ragdol as if I meant nothing, so...The same applies for everyone else". People who haven't gone through this kind of trauma would likely not understand how different that experience makes you from everyone else. It almost alters a person's DNA in a way.
Again, it's not an excuse for Vince and there's many who've gone through this kind of thing and live their lives as model citizens doing everything to prevent it happening again. But yeah, on the flip side there's those like McMahon who just never mentally make it to that point.
I guess what's truly sad about this is Rape and abuse is still happening wildspread in the current day, and it's horrible to think about the mental hurdles those children have to overcome and potentially the wrong side of things where they'd end up as adults.
Yeah, it's the endless debate of nature vs. nurture, Vince is most likely a sociopath and what he did has no justification but if such an evil man who holds huge grudges has to block out his childhood I can't even begin to imagine what he lived.
What got me, where I had to pause...
I didn't know Owen hart blood was still on the mat and they continued the show. I had to take a beat. That really got me. As much as I know about his tragic death I had no idea his blood was on the mat.
That broke my heart.
I’ll never forgive for Vince continuing on with the show after Owen’s death. With Owen’s blood still on the ring mat.
Oh please. Get over it you dork.
He was asked about his son dying and how that would that affect the show. Then said "if it happened to me I would say continue" I died on that one. He just said he doesn't care about his own son...
part of the blood in the ring wasn't from Owen. It was from a houseshow days before, i think this was mentioned in the Dark Side of the Ring. Kinda strange that the mat wasn't changed for that Event.
@@user-tk4bn6rn1f - You really out here riding Vince’s nuts huh? Wipe your knees
so that was wild! I looked into it, and apparently that blood was due to a bloodbath during Sunday night heat. I refused to ever fully watch the PPV or the heat before, so I never knew. I couldn't wrap my head around the show continuing at all but with his blood on the mat?! AWFUL.
It's a crime scene regardless. It doesn't make it right but I'm so glad that it wasn't his blood that stained the mat. Man oh man, the way the undertaker and pat patterson's facial expressions are chilling.
Thanks Olli, great video and great presentation style on these serious topics! You're the GOAT of wrestletalk, believe that ❤
I honestly almost laughed while watching the documentary when people like Tony Atlas said Vince McMahon isn't racist and he always tries to give the fans what we want.
I'm surprised Jimmy Snuka wasn't brought up more
Thank you for your great commentary on the videos you do so far on the Vince documentary
How about the part where Vince dropped Owen as revenge for Owen dropping Austin?
Ollie, cheers. This was IMO, one of the best segments you've ever done!
I feel journalists never asked Vince the right questions on how much responsibility he felt he had with wrestlers dying young. Perhaps they could have asked him if he looks back and feels maybe he overworked them, set the bar too high. He rewarded the most physically fit and gave them no time off to recover, which maybe pushed wrestlers to both take steroids and pain killers to perform on a consistent basis.
Yes, he didn’t hold a gun to their heads. But later in life, he changed the work schedule and removed chair shots to the head, etc. His actions show he was taking into account the health of his talent, but long after the business took a toll on a number of wrestlers. I don’t think he would admit regret. But you could maybe weasel something out of him. Everyone seemed more interested in attacking him & never got anywhere in their interviews
I always found it weird that Vince would pitch that he or Shane feed the father of Stephanie's baby because would pitch such a crazy incest idea? Although, after finding out that he implies that his mother would sexually assault him, it really makes a lot of it come more into perspective.
I will never get over the fact that Vince handed Shane a knife & told him to stab him. I had to take s moment after that to run it back & then take a break because of how BATSHIT this was
Remember, he once dared Kofi Kingston to fight him on a plane to prove that he deserved to be a main event contender in the WWE.
There are ZERO legit companies out there other than WWE where any situation like that would ever happen.
The Mr McMahon documentary completely missed his endeavors with Evel Knievel that nearly put him out of business most of the documentary was a rehash of the Monday night Wars that you can watch on peacock
My favourite part is that he calls Stephanie “selfish” because she wouldn’t let him put her wedding on PPV🤣
And how she happily recalls Linda telling Vince that if he gave Steph a black eye she would divorce him on the spot.
"And I thought my family was fucked up" - Baldur.
I thought one of the craziest things in this was Bret thinking they intentionally killed Owen to get at him. The f*cking ego on Bret to make his brother's death be about him.
@@wolfman210 "Maybe they murdered him to get back at me." Direct quote from Bret. Episode 4, @49:21.
When your Grieving you get angry and look for someone to blame. When people close to other's die they look for reasons or people to blame. People really struggle with accidents that take people close to them lives. I believe its because it makes the world feel less under control. Like how if one thing happens i lose someone close to me no real reason just they are gone. So i think it quite a common response to grief.
great video Oli
Great video! And review!
I can’t feel bad for Vince after all the awful things he’s done. He’s an awful person.
Facts and in spite of his importance, don't expect him to be added into the WWE Hall of Fame anytime soon as well, due to him being a Criminal.
I dont think youre aware of how much he can squat.... if you did, it'd totally change your view bro!! Just look at how vascular that ripped hero is, I mean..... C'MON bro..... do some research
Him explaining not being hypocritcal sounds like his Mr McMahon "character" speaking through Vince.
R.I.P Ashley Massaro, Owen Hart, And Chris Benoit's wife and son.
Another well done video guys!
Netflix did a great job, The Mr. McMahon documentary series is absolutely phenomenal, found out a lot of different aspects of Vince’s life and the beginning of WWE I didn’t know before.
Surprised you didn't mention Austin being a CTE denier.
He’s not a denier of CTE he just stated that if you wrestle properly you shouldn’t be getting CTE. He only had one in his career and that was from a botched move.
Is this the first confirmation of Brock being alleged wrestler in the lawsuit? I know it was pretty much spelled out, but nobody ever said as much officially.
Feels like he wont be back so soon
Paul Heyman's knife story was the most interesting thing across the six episodes.
I was gobsmacked when he told it, that shook me to my core
Thats just paul hayman being wonderful on the mic
It went exactly how I thought it would, 90% fluff and only a little bit of criticism of Vince. As an aside, I was very angry when Stone Cold said he didn’t believe in CTE
I was supposed to hate Vince but this documentary made him more of a legend 🐐
Triple H: "YOU DAMN RIGHT IT WAS ME BRET!!"
That's crazy. I didn't expect triple H to be the one that suggested it back then
Thanks to Netflix …90’s Wrestling love it….Best Documentary Ever Mr McMahon
Great video, Oli, absolutely loving all of your content :-)
Oli should had being the narrator of the documentary. 😅
You think, if Vince goes to court.. It will broadcasted?? I don't think it will get that far tho
Will depend on what court hes charged in. Only criminal cases can be streamed. It its civil or federal there is a system to call in and listen but its cant be recorded.
The most shocking thing to me was when Bruce Prichard said he had watched the previous 5 episodes and thought it came off like a hit piece. If you ask me, the documentary / interviewers didnt grill him enough about the past mistakes / crimes hes committed.
Either I'm desensitized from being a WWE fan since 98 but I didn't think it was that damning...or bias...I thought Vince was reserved and didn't really reveal much..
Same, I still have the last episode to go, but the first 5 show and tell pretty much what is common knowledge. But today’s society is as soft as hot butter so they see it differently.
@driver8703 yeah I think Vince is like a person that let the power go to his head, but we knew that, but he equally did care for Bruce Prichards wife...so, which I don't really see being mentioned anywhere on Wrestling news headlines because it doesn't get views. His other activities over shadow that and rightfully so.
Just finished the last one and still doesn’t change my opinion. Saw Bruce’s “review” of the series and his story about his wife, and I think he’s a bit wrong to call it a hit piece because of the title of the series and the way Vince describes his personal self and tv character. He and many say his character is “Mr. McMahon”, the title of the series. So I think the series showed just that, went into Vince’s younger days, but a majority of a man that lives wrestling to the bone, it sticks to the wrestling and all the facts of the past. It addresses all of the allegations, states them, details them, but doesn’t lead you to form an opinion one way or the other. The only really bad thing I didn’t already know was him dismissing so easily CTE with Benoit. Everything else is kind of common knowledge and still left to discover as the lawsuits work themselves through.
@driver8703 agree 100% mate, didn't agree with Bruce saying it was a hit piece either, I thought it was well made to be fair.
agreed, i think it was very well made and anyone saying it was a hitpiece only is looking at the badly taken out of context lines some people are pulling.
I think Vince means when he took other territories talents, he never used those talents to degrade the competition on wwf television, like wcw did.
The audience didnt really see what happened? The man fell from the sky. Man that got me heated a bit. Then following up that with vinces and others take on concussions woof man just woof
Sounds like it was tame compared to what I was expecting.
The funniest/ironic thing was during episode 6 Bruce Pritchard was asked if he saw this series, and it was nearly, if not verbatim what Vince said in his post on X
Can't wait to watch this!!
Am I the only one who remembers that right after Bret left, before Owen became the Blue Blazer again, Owen walked into the ring in street clothes and confronted McMahon. If anyone wants to see where the Stone Cold vs McMahon thing started, I always felt there was a seed of it here. The crowd cheered Owen and booed Vince.... which is likely why that angle was shelved right quick.
Yeah, Vince really thought the fans would see Bret as the bad guy, and then had to steer into the skid as Mr. McMahon.
Vince claiming that taker doesn't remember the match from the shock of losing the streak is insane. Taker 100% was concussed in the match and taken to the hospital because of it. He literally could not remember his own name when the doctors asked him and he tried to get Michelle (his wife) to cheat and tell him his name to try and pass their tests. Losing the streak isn't going to make you forget your name 😂
The show should not have gone on in 1999 following Owen’s passing. It was the wrong decision and unethical to continue the show. RIP Owen.
A lot of the takeaways for me were Vince's own words on this and that along with those who were interviewed were obviously loyal to him.
Nothing really shocking came from it honestly. I thought it was a pretty balanced piece. Nothing came out that pushed me further in either direction. Basically concludes that he's a flawed, but immensely successful person. Basically a businessman that hurt people on his way to the top. Seems to be par for the course for most successful business people. He was really good to some and really bad to others.
Vince sounded like a man who has been unburdened by what has been and what could be.
He didn’t really buy the company. He wants us to believe that. Everyone wants to be viewed as a self made man. He basically inherited it.
Jam that jam
They want to censor McMahon but not steroid use.
Each man made their own decision
Holy shit, that Shane/Vince stabbing interaction was wild ..
Glad I can watch this vs the 6 hour documentary. I much prefer Oli voice for this for sure
That explanation from Vince about why he was right, and Ted was wrong made my brain stop braining.
If, as Vince stated, the viewing audience was on blackout WHY was Owen already dangling on the line and capable of falling?
It seems that Owen would have just waited until very moment when, on camera, he was ready to descend on camera to the ring.
The fact it transpired differently is suspect and worthy of investigation as possibly hinting at actual intent on the part of WWE decision makers in orchestrating the whole thing.
This was crazy to watch 😂
Wasn't nothing new really
I’m surprised nobody is talking about how stone cold Steve Austin said he doesn’t believe CTE is real
I've seen the first 3 episodes so far, and have learned nothing new. I was really hoping to hear more personal details about Vince, but so far it's just the usual wrestling history talking points. I hope it gets more interesting, because so far it's mostly WWF/E history with touchstones on McMahon's role.
You realize the audience isn’t just you right? There are more ppl on Netflix that didn’t know of Vince or WWE in this light that now have more takes from stars and the man himself. Try to think outside of yourself Mr. Low IQ?
I haven't watched all of it yet, I have only watched episode 1. I can't sit through all six hours of that! But I'll find out, soon enough.
Watched it all the women and the men knew what they was getting themselves into.
@@wolfman210 In my opinion they certainly did until they got old and was not entertaining anymore.
@@wolfman210 Hell hath no fury like a women scorned.
Doesn't change my love of wwe regardless it's okay to still like the product while really knowing what went down behind the scenes hope everyone that was affected by this gets help immediately ❤❤ heard a few months back he was even sending inappropriate messages to women
The Mr. McMahon character existed months before Montreal. I will die on this hill
I learned something very cool while watching this documentary I am a super fan because I was not surprised by anything
I watched every episode. I learned basically nothing new. This series was ***not*** for us, the wrestling fans. Also, I just want to confirm that at 39 years old, Bret Hart is still my fucking hero. 🇨🇦
The word “splattered” was SO DISRESPECTFUL….
Vince doesn’t hold responsibility for the wrestlers choosing to take steroids or the concussions these are adults that are choosing to take the drugs and take chair shots.
Cornetter's gonna have a field day!
There weren’t any new revelations in the docuseries. Bill Simmons just reused old WWE documentaries to make this with some updated interviews that didn’t say anything new.
I had no idea Vince was on the same level of method acting as Daniel Day Lewis
The biggest shock is how so many wrestlers "don't believe" in CTE.
@@user-tk4bn6rn1fyou really look low IQ here who Stan’s for a company that doesn’t care about you. Note I couldn’t care less about either
"People just go nuts" is just more scientific