This is clearly a video for arborists already familiar with similar gear and with climbing experience. These negative comments from people with little knowledge of these systems are gross. Great video Dan, keep up the good work!
Thanks for the comment Ashton. I’m glad you see who the video is aimed at, unfortunately videos on TH-cam reach anyone, and each viewer assumes the video should be tailored to them. These videos (as you say) are intended for climbing arborists (or trainee climbers).
I know right, why do people waste time being negative when they’ve likely learned more from this channel than most other sources. Lol they obvious watched the video…. Because they know how valuable his content is perhaps 😯😂. I know it doesn’t even bother you Dan, keep up the awesome work; we appreciate you!
Most presenter are too eager to demonstrate their techniques on "how to climb a tree" but none actually realise that demonstrating the first stage for setup (as in this video) is the most important beginning for any would-be-starters. Good effort mate, ive finally found a useful video. On the side note, the video steps are too fast, perhaps an extended short video shoot from a low tree branch with step by step sequences will help to demonstrate how the pulley system is secured. Thank you
I'm not an aborist but I use a very similar homemade pulley saver, with this DMM "Pinto Rig" pulley in fact. 1 reason for choosing the video. Except mine is 2 layers of webbing stitched together with sewn loops around the top connection holes. It's used as the anchor point for a Manila climbing rope, attach static rope to a shackle on the end splice, pull it through/up and tie it off on a nearby branch. Not able to use a Prusik as seen here unfortunately (or the "snap") so instead need to use a separate length of rope installed above the loop/eye to release the pulley when finished to bring it down. In my case the pulley goes back around the limb, not ideal but I only use throwline to control the descent. Was still interesting to watch this example, thanks.
Hi Dan, Rather than using an extremely long climbing line, would it be, somehow, possible to use a second throw line for the installation and then pull the climbing line through the pulley very last? I'm just learning to climb and I used a pulley for the first time a couple of weeks ago. It makes a huge difference for double rope. Then yesterday, at Tafe, we used a cambium saver and it was crap. It made little difference (to the climb) than using natural crotches (They were silky smooth Blue Gums (Eucalypts Saligna)). I'm sure the tree appreciated the use of the cambium saver through. P.S I learned to foot lock yesterday. I was very happy to finally crack it.
This can be done with a throwline. It installs the pully and then the rope can be pulled up. That way you dont need 4 times the length of rope. A pilot line can be used for retrival if disired. It is better for installing rigging lines in a secondary tree that you dont want to climb. Then it saves time, if you are good with a throw line.
I'm interested in how to do this another way. Could you clearly explain the method, or post a video or a link to a video for me please ? I've just purchased a pulley saver, and I'm keen to know all about it's installation and use.
@@robthompson1399 I made a special weight with a nut and bolt. It does not pass through the pully but stays flat against it. It needs to be compact and heavy. You attach it to the throwline. First install your throwline over a single branch then one end goes through the pully and your bolt is attached. Then the other end feeds through the loop side of the pully saver. Second fase. The pully should begin to ascend as you pull the throwline and the loop end will also ascend, the throwline should still be inside the loop. Once the pully goes over the branch it will go inside the loop. Once that is done let the bolt come down. Take the bolt off and attach your rope. Pull the rope through the pully and ascend. Once up attach the part for retrival. I use this very rarely as I usually ascend in srt but it is useful when you need it.
@@robthompson1399 if you want the pully saver to come down without using the little ball retrival, attach a throwline to the retrival part and when you pull your rope down retrive the pully saver with the throwline.
@@75MalcolmX thank you for taking the time to do this, it seems better to be doing it all with a throwline in place of a rope. Why are you using the nut and bolt instead of a bag ? I'm trying to get my head around it, to visualise the process. I'm guessing that maybe the floppy throwbag hinders entry to the stiff eye ?
@@75MalcolmX it seems to be the standard method for getting a ring and ring saver up. Now that I've read it a few times ! I've got my Saturday head on, and it's a bit sore !
@@ClimbingArborist haha small world. I stumbled across an arborists (with a non Vancouver accent) video on rigging and I see the boat I race on in the background ... I thought it was a dream haha
47 years as an climbing Arborist and video even confuses me! And I been doing this for decades exact system...I trained many Arborists best to show on a symplified rig point or small tree to convey concept.... can be done without climbing line in pully...throw line instead...no need to have 4 lengths of climbing line just 2!.....
So, for this technique to work, you need to climb to the anchor, disconnect your line from your harness, and thread your splice through the retrieval ring. This is what you are talking about at about the 3:30 mark?
Don't think so, I was under the impression that he means to just thread your tail through the thimble. It does warrent a visit to the anchor point though...
Not an arborist, but a challenge course trainer and installer. This system looks unnecessarily complicated, but has some useful tips in it. What is really throwing me off is the retrieval ball. It didn't seem to serve a purpose - It looks as though it could have slipped right through that metal ring. Can someone shed some light on that?
Sorry brother you lost me. I just got a spiderjack 3 and it works wonderfully with a natural crotch. I. Guess I'm still not sold on the whole false crotch thing yet,just an old dog learning some new trick lol
Wow this is why I like the Single rope best. No friction saver is needed but you gotta have a 400 dollar climbing device after you've bought literally hundreds of dollars worth of rope, gear and climbing saddle. Why couldn't you just use a 2nd rope to drag the pulley up with your climbing line in the pulley? Ropes going over the branch right? Stop the pulley just short of the branch and tye that rope off ?
Not very clear what you are doing. I suggest first explaining the concept with some diagrams before moving to demo on a low branch that shows the entire set up.
That.s What I was thinking about😐. as al ways good presentation ever trier Richard mumford vidéos ( make sure you have food ne ar by before pressing the play button)😂
I use this pulley saver almost daily; I'm yet to get it snagged. No doubt it could happen, but actual experience says snagging is not the *likely* scenario, merely a possible one.
@@xpumax1 You seem to miss out something! For novices who are not familiar with the climbing techniques, they would not be able to visualize how to get the pulley in the tree. There are lots of other viewers having the same thought in the comments here! If I could place the pulley on top of the tree from the ground there would be no comments at all!!!!!
Absolute waste of time on the install. The retrieval is no more simple than hoping over a lower limb when descending to the ground , which will prevent the friction saver from hitting the ground. We are tree WORKERS and we are there to produce NOT play around.
@@r.j.martin1818 Crap the view was great. And he has a system that seems complicated. But the lad was using his brain in a really engaged fashion. Now he will for sure figure out there got to be a better way and create a better way. So my hat off to him.
WTF?! after watching many times, I understood finally how to get it into to the tree, but did anyone understand how to get it down out of the tree? really badly explained
He's a skiled and knowledgeable worker who makes great, informatie videos. However, I have to confess to sharing the same prejudice about pronunciation of the B word 😆
I believe the original term is "bow line" and "bolin" was a bastardised abbreviation that followed and is most probably American. You don't go around saying "throlin" or "stringlin". It shits me as much as people that say "tauntline", "I'm bias" and "could care less" 😂
@@user-wp5fe8ec6l it's a maritime knot. A sailor's knot. It's pronounced like you're going 'bowlin'. That's the correct pronunciation. All other are simply wrong and ignorant.
This is clearly a video for arborists already familiar with similar gear and with climbing experience. These negative comments from people with little knowledge of these systems are gross. Great video Dan, keep up the good work!
Thanks for the comment Ashton. I’m glad you see who the video is aimed at, unfortunately videos on TH-cam reach anyone, and each viewer assumes the video should be tailored to them. These videos (as you say) are intended for climbing arborists (or trainee climbers).
I know right, why do people waste time being negative when they’ve likely learned more from this channel than most other sources. Lol they obvious watched the video…. Because they know how valuable his content is perhaps 😯😂.
I know it doesn’t even bother you Dan, keep up the awesome work; we appreciate you!
That’s an awesome retrieval method! It took a few times of watching it to understand, but now that I do I want to use it!
Most presenter are too eager to demonstrate their techniques on "how to climb a tree" but none actually realise that demonstrating the first stage for setup (as in this video) is the most important beginning for any would-be-starters. Good effort mate, ive finally found a useful video. On the side note, the video steps are too fast, perhaps an extended short video shoot from a low tree branch with step by step sequences will help to demonstrate how the pulley system is secured. Thank you
This seems like a good way to install a pulley remotely to secure a shortwave wire antenna. That's what I'm going to try to use it for anyway.
Wow... !!! My best friend, It's always great. Your video is excellent quality. We liked and enjoyed to the end. Thanks
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I'm not an aborist but I use a very similar homemade pulley saver, with this DMM "Pinto Rig" pulley in fact. 1 reason for choosing the video. Except mine is 2 layers of webbing stitched together with sewn loops around the top connection holes. It's used as the anchor point for a Manila climbing rope, attach static rope to a shackle on the end splice, pull it through/up and tie it off on a nearby branch. Not able to use a Prusik as seen here unfortunately (or the "snap") so instead need to use a separate length of rope installed above the loop/eye to release the pulley when finished to bring it down. In my case the pulley goes back around the limb, not ideal but I only use throwline to control the descent. Was still interesting to watch this example, thanks.
Hi Dan,
Rather than using an extremely long climbing line, would it be, somehow, possible to use a second throw line for the installation and then pull the climbing line through the pulley very last?
I'm just learning to climb and I used a pulley for the first time a couple of weeks ago. It makes a huge difference for double rope. Then yesterday, at Tafe, we used a cambium saver and it was crap. It made little difference (to the climb) than using natural crotches (They were silky smooth Blue Gums (Eucalypts Saligna)).
I'm sure the tree appreciated the use of the cambium saver through.
P.S I learned to foot lock yesterday. I was very happy to finally crack it.
Nicely done! A bit complicated but a good system!
This can be done with a throwline. It installs the pully and then the rope can be pulled up. That way you dont need 4 times the length of rope. A pilot line can be used for retrival if disired. It is better for installing rigging lines in a secondary tree that you dont want to climb. Then it saves time, if you are good with a throw line.
I'm interested in how to do this another way. Could you clearly explain the method, or post a video or a link to a video for me please ? I've just purchased a pulley saver, and I'm keen to know all about it's installation and use.
@@robthompson1399 I made a special weight with a nut and bolt. It does not pass through the pully but stays flat against it. It needs to be compact and heavy. You attach it to the throwline. First install your throwline over a single branch then one end goes through the pully and your bolt is attached. Then the other end feeds through the loop side of the pully saver. Second fase. The pully should begin to ascend as you pull the throwline and the loop end will also ascend, the throwline should still be inside the loop. Once the pully goes over the branch it will go inside the loop. Once that is done let the bolt come down. Take the bolt off and attach your rope. Pull the rope through the pully and ascend. Once up attach the part for retrival. I use this very rarely as I usually ascend in srt but it is useful when you need it.
@@robthompson1399 if you want the pully saver to come down without using the little ball retrival, attach a throwline to the retrival part and when you pull your rope down retrive the pully saver with the throwline.
@@75MalcolmX thank you for taking the time to do this, it seems better to be doing it all with a throwline in place of a rope. Why are you using the nut and bolt instead of a bag ? I'm trying to get my head around it, to visualise the process. I'm guessing that maybe the floppy throwbag hinders entry to the stiff eye ?
@@75MalcolmX it seems to be the standard method for getting a ring and ring saver up. Now that I've read it a few times ! I've got my Saturday head on, and it's a bit sore !
installation from the ground is a cool trick. i like it.
rope work is so fascinating 👷🌲
Make sure I got the retrieval when from the ground? Or when I in the tree ,?
how did you like Vancouver
Look up the Jump sling. Legendary production arborist here in Cincinnati come up with the method. Great used as line redirect
Is this Vancouver? Just near rvyc?
It certainly is
@@ClimbingArborist haha small world. I stumbled across an arborists (with a non Vancouver accent) video on rigging and I see the boat I race on in the background ... I thought it was a dream haha
47 years as an climbing Arborist and video even confuses me! And I been doing this for decades exact system...I trained many Arborists best to show on a symplified rig point or small tree to convey concept.... can be done without climbing line in pully...throw line instead...no need to have 4 lengths of climbing line just 2!.....
Pls share your vid on how it's done.
Is it possible to have a zigzag while doing the installation or do you need to use a prusik?
I don't quite understand your question, but yes you can use a zigzag with this system
A zigzag is a mechanical prusik, I believe.
@@user-rn3rn6nl3h i think you also misunderstood lol. Hes made like 6 videos w zigzags lol
As a climber myself I’m pretty confused tbh. I think at this point I’m better off just installing it from the tree.
Yes, I think that is the best idea. This video is really just to show it is possible, but it is a bit much
@@ClimbingArborist Appreciate the video though. I've thought about posting videos on TH-cam forever but I'm just so damn lazy. Props to you brother.
Cool video
So, for this technique to work, you need to climb to the anchor, disconnect your line from your harness, and thread your splice through the retrieval ring. This is what you are talking about at about the 3:30 mark?
Don't think so, I was under the impression that he means to just thread your tail through the thimble. It does warrent a visit to the anchor point though...
Is it truly a safe retrieval when the pulled still smacks every branch on the way down?
Add a throw line to save the damage!....quite obvious ...same as a friction saver technique that has been around ..forever!
Now I’m sure I don’t ever want to use that system. Thanks however for some of your other videos.
kyle hawk it looks like so much work!
It's clever that someone figured out how to do this but I cannot see it being useful. A cool wee trick though.
Not an arborist, but a challenge course trainer and installer. This system looks unnecessarily complicated, but has some useful tips in it. What is really throwing me off is the retrieval ball. It didn't seem to serve a purpose - It looks as though it could have slipped right through that metal ring. Can someone shed some light on that?
Shut up Dillon
Better with pulley than branch.
This is the cuestion. The smooth in the work
Great video!
I'm assuming operating on my friend's injured foot while blood is gushing out would be a little harder than this maneuver...
Srt then rope guide on drt, simples
Great content. Looks like Hastings mill park.
thanks dan
Dude just stop. I've already pruned the tree. Let's go to the next job location. LOL
he's teaching mate. There's a speed increase function on youtube now if you like. I went for 2x speed lol
I just learned how to tangle my ropes lol
Sorry brother you lost me. I just got a spiderjack 3 and it works wonderfully with a natural crotch. I. Guess I'm still not sold on the whole false crotch thing yet,just an old dog learning some new trick lol
Waaaaw impresionante
Wow this is why I like the Single rope best. No friction saver is needed but you gotta have a 400 dollar climbing device after you've bought literally hundreds of dollars worth of rope, gear and climbing saddle.
Why couldn't you just use a 2nd rope to drag the pulley up with your climbing line in the pulley? Ropes going over the branch right? Stop the pulley just short of the branch and tye that rope off ?
Not very clear what you are doing. I suggest first explaining the concept with some diagrams before moving to demo on a low branch that shows the entire set up.
2:50 Oh,fuck this!
Me too. Just cant follow it
Couldn’t be arsed to be honest !
That.s What I was thinking about😐. as al ways good presentation ever trier Richard mumford vidéos ( make sure you have food ne ar by before pressing the play button)😂
i think i got it? bit prob dont' must be why im a groundy.
Wow video is keep skipping hard to see what you are doing
Using differents colors of rope would be easier to understand...
damn i would of been in the tree already
Smart idea but we all know that got snagged up while pulling it down, hence the cut in the video lol.
Even without the cut in the video, I figured that the pulley could easily get snagged up in the tree, in fact it should be the likely scenario.
I use this pulley saver almost daily; I'm yet to get it snagged. No doubt it could happen, but actual experience says snagging is not the *likely* scenario, merely a possible one.
maxfacta1
Thanks for the input. Experience is always the best teacher.
Wicked confused
This is the most overcomplicated process, terribly explained.
Poor demo and explanation!
Can be much better if the camera can clearly and slowly show the installation of the pulley saver in the tree!
Do it your self bro
@@xpumax1 You seem to miss out something!
For novices who are not familiar with the climbing techniques, they would not be able to visualize how to get the pulley in the tree.
There are lots of other viewers having the same thought in the comments here!
If I could place the pulley on top of the tree from the ground there would be no comments at all!!!!!
Absolute waste of time on the install. The retrieval is no more simple than hoping over a lower limb when descending to the ground , which will prevent the friction saver from hitting the ground. We are tree WORKERS and we are there to produce NOT play around.
Maybe the chap has all the time in the world. Occasionally, he has some good pointers. Let's not discourage the fellow, shall we?
@@r.j.martin1818 Crap the view was great. And he has a system that seems complicated. But the lad was using his brain in a really engaged fashion. Now he will for sure figure out there got to be a better way and create a better way. So my hat off to him.
id rather go up in get it' haha i can c tangles. rekon be good if i was cheers
always use pro gear for exstra safety
And I’m buying a lift
Normally love ya videos,but this is a far to complicated system to use and pretty much not needed
WTF?! after watching many times, I understood finally how to get it into to the tree, but did anyone understand how to get it down out of the tree? really badly explained
takes too long time..
That's : " Bo' - lin " not " bow - line' "
Maritime knot - mariner's pronunciation.
Nit-picking ? ....... Fine.
It does grate on the ears though .
Worked on the water.
He's a skiled and knowledgeable worker who makes great, informatie videos. However, I have to confess to sharing the same prejudice about pronunciation of the B word 😆
He's English bro what the bloody Hell yo
I believe the original term is "bow line" and "bolin" was a bastardised abbreviation that followed and is most probably American.
You don't go around saying "throlin" or "stringlin".
It shits me as much as people that say "tauntline", "I'm bias" and "could care less" 😂
@@user-wp5fe8ec6l it's a maritime knot. A sailor's knot. It's pronounced like you're going 'bowlin'. That's the correct pronunciation. All other are simply wrong and ignorant.
That’s so over complicated 🤮
Not to mention if it gets stuck in the crotch when installing then what..... I srt up drt down most times.....