This was nice to see. I just ordered a set of the petzle in canada and its being brought over to vietnam by my family when they visit. I might try and get a set of camnals for the shop here. Id love to see another video in a year or two on the compsrison of wear and tear. comparison
I WANT TO MAKE A CLIMBING WALL - MY HOUSE'S TALL SIDE IS A 5 METER WALL/ CINDER BLOCK - I WAS GIVEN 2 WEDGE BOLT STAINLESS 12 MM WITH ANCHOR HANGER -- CAN I DO THIS ?
From Camnal, no. But from some other guy I found making removable bolts too, he has 8mm, 10mm, and 12mm available in 60mm and 80mm long. (8mm only available in 60mm). Videos coming soon.
The links and how to search for it on Taobao are in the description. Pretty much everything will be in Chinese. It's currently only being sold in China, but they will ship to outside countries. You'll need someone who knows Chinese, or pay an agent to help you order things from Taobao and ship to wherever you are located.
Great video, id actually prefer the chinese version, i mean its pretty obvious its a knock off of a petzyl cam bolt but its a excellent knock off and looks like a great product so id buy it. I don't live in china btw im in southern New Zealand. Great review❤
The poor quality of Chinese steel in building materials (e.g. adulteration with boron) is well documented, and can make steel brittle. Not sure I'd gamble with peoples' lives to save a few bucks, let alone the ethical issues with buying knock-offs from a country with basically no regulatory standards.
China is the world's largest steel exporter. If there's a genuine consistent concern, then why is it still being purchased? Boron is intentionally added to steel to increase hardenability. If it's not a desired element to have or only wanted in a specific concentration, that's what composition tests are for. Companies who have more strict tolerances for the materials they purchase should be doing inspections anyway. American companies are already importing Chinese steel products, it's hard to compete with the cost.e-rigging.com/collections/quick-links/products/stainless-steel-quick-link?variant=39721882386505#popup1 Click on the picture icon that says "IMPORTED" True, these removable bolts are a copycat of Petzl's design. Not the best practice, but it's also how innovation happens today, building off of another's idea. Whatever the case, China has over a billion people, and plenty of internal need for products like this, they're definitely self-sufficient. And you're wrong about them having "no regulatory standards", they do. But some might not be as developed as other countries or as strict. Whatever the case, you're welcome to think what you want as I am too. I'm not selling these, but just wanted to share what's happening in other countries and how they're thinking. It's interesting how a lot of us buy things that make us feel like we're in control, whereas equipment failures are pretty slim, the reality is most accidents happen from poor human judgment and decisions.
@@climbingtaiwan Fair enough. As an American, I'd love to see China develop and have the same quality standards as any western nation. But I'm also a bit sore about what happened to my country's manufacturing base thanks to free trade, cheap labor and practices like reverse engineering and American manufacturers forcing engineers to train their new Chinese workforce before being "retired". China's products are not only for the internal market, but have for decades monopolized 2nd- and 3rd-world export markets with blatant theft of design/engineering patents and substandard products. I saw this happen firsthand - American corporations and "venture capitalists" bear the heaviest blame. But hey - as long as it's cheap!
@@IronJohn755Thanks for writing and expounding more on your thoughts. I do understand where you're coming from. I'm also American and have been living in Asia for the last decade. 3 years were in China where my wife and I did factory inspections of commodities for oversea clients. And the rest here in Taiwan. The whole China situation is a bit complex. Their people put in crazy hours of hard work, and not all are properly compensated for it. Conditions and standards could improve, and some factories are able to attain it, but it isn't universal. China can accomplish things other countries cannot, or more to the point, DO NOT want to do. A lot has to do with money. Why are American farmers having laborers from other countries come in to harvest crops? MONEY. You can pay lower wages which in turn keeps the end cost lower. Same thing here in Taiwan, we have tons of workers from the Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam working in factories here. Do you think their situation and living conditions are better than the local Taiwanese? It's pretty messed up sometimes. I digress… I'm not disagreeing with you about the theft of intellectual property and ideas that happen, which some companies in China definitely do. Maybe for their own benefit within their country, and/or to make profit overseas from it. Whatever the case, it's sorta challenging waters to navigate as a consumer. I do try to better understand why others do what they do, though it's not agreeable. American companies are no better in some cases, though they feel free to shout from their "podium" and criticize others. This whole situation is way bigger than some Chinese equipment manufacturer making a copy of removable bolt primarily for use in their own country. Whatever the case, we as consumers have (sometimes) the purchasing power to decide what we wanna do with our dollar. And there are pros and cons that come with that decision.
Your comment shows a lack of appreciation for research and development costs as well as the economic considerations of a company located in the Western economy vs. China. Your financial situation may be that you lack resources to support a company like Petzl but you are mistaken about them robbing their customers. Quality gear won't be the cheapest.
@@512dude Petzl don't make all of their own gear, so the R&D is often done by other companies (but yes I'm aware of Petzls efforts in that regard - I've read their history "book"). Also, if you're familiar with the Corse, it's an extremely simply "device" - no R&D is even required, google it... Chk the price while you're at it - do you honestly think that's reasonable for what it is!? It's not even a rated piece of gear, thus no expensive testing etc. Many people successfully use a variety of rubber bands/skinny cords to fill the same function, so again, it's not rocket science nor should it have a price tag representative of such. Rated gear is another matter - I'm happy to pay more for gear that's supposed to hold my bodyweight or a fall.
Good video!
Thanks Ryan
This was nice to see. I just ordered a set of the petzle in canada and its being brought over to vietnam by my family when they visit. I might try and get a set of camnals for the shop here. Id love to see another video in a year or two on the compsrison of wear and tear. comparison
I WANT TO MAKE A CLIMBING WALL - MY HOUSE'S TALL SIDE IS A 5 METER WALL/ CINDER BLOCK - I WAS GIVEN 2 WEDGE BOLT STAINLESS 12 MM WITH ANCHOR HANGER -- CAN I DO THIS ?
Hi. Are the cinder blocks filled with concrete or have hollow centers? This would definitely affect your anchor choices.
Are there other shaft length options?
From Camnal, no. But from some other guy I found making removable bolts too, he has 8mm, 10mm, and 12mm available in 60mm and 80mm long. (8mm only available in 60mm). Videos coming soon.
To buy for Europe? Link please
The links and how to search for it on Taobao are in the description. Pretty much everything will be in Chinese. It's currently only being sold in China, but they will ship to outside countries. You'll need someone who knows Chinese, or pay an agent to help you order things from Taobao and ship to wherever you are located.
Great video, id actually prefer the chinese version, i mean its pretty obvious its a knock off of a petzyl cam bolt but its a excellent knock off and looks like a great product so id buy it. I don't live in china btw im in southern New Zealand. Great review❤
The poor quality of Chinese steel in building materials (e.g. adulteration with boron) is well documented, and can make steel brittle. Not sure I'd gamble with peoples' lives to save a few bucks, let alone the ethical issues with buying knock-offs from a country with basically no regulatory standards.
China is the world's largest steel exporter. If there's a genuine consistent concern, then why is it still being purchased? Boron is intentionally added to steel to increase hardenability. If it's not a desired element to have or only wanted in a specific concentration, that's what composition tests are for. Companies who have more strict tolerances for the materials they purchase should be doing inspections anyway. American companies are already importing Chinese steel products, it's hard to compete with the cost.e-rigging.com/collections/quick-links/products/stainless-steel-quick-link?variant=39721882386505#popup1 Click on the picture icon that says "IMPORTED"
True, these removable bolts are a copycat of Petzl's design. Not the best practice, but it's also how innovation happens today, building off of another's idea. Whatever the case, China has over a billion people, and plenty of internal need for products like this, they're definitely self-sufficient. And you're wrong about them having "no regulatory standards", they do. But some might not be as developed as other countries or as strict. Whatever the case, you're welcome to think what you want as I am too. I'm not selling these, but just wanted to share what's happening in other countries and how they're thinking. It's interesting how a lot of us buy things that make us feel like we're in control, whereas equipment failures are pretty slim, the reality is most accidents happen from poor human judgment and decisions.
@@climbingtaiwan Fair enough. As an American, I'd love to see China develop and have the same quality standards as any western nation. But I'm also a bit sore about what happened to my country's manufacturing base thanks to free trade, cheap labor and practices like reverse engineering and American manufacturers forcing engineers to train their new Chinese workforce before being "retired". China's products are not only for the internal market, but have for decades monopolized 2nd- and 3rd-world export markets with blatant theft of design/engineering patents and substandard products. I saw this happen firsthand - American corporations and "venture capitalists" bear the heaviest blame. But hey - as long as it's cheap!
@@IronJohn755Thanks for writing and expounding more on your thoughts. I do understand where you're coming from. I'm also American and have been living in Asia for the last decade. 3 years were in China where my wife and I did factory inspections of commodities for oversea clients. And the rest here in Taiwan. The whole China situation is a bit complex. Their people put in crazy hours of hard work, and not all are properly compensated for it. Conditions and standards could improve, and some factories are able to attain it, but it isn't universal. China can accomplish things other countries cannot, or more to the point, DO NOT want to do. A lot has to do with money. Why are American farmers having laborers from other countries come in to harvest crops? MONEY. You can pay lower wages which in turn keeps the end cost lower. Same thing here in Taiwan, we have tons of workers from the Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam working in factories here. Do you think their situation and living conditions are better than the local Taiwanese? It's pretty messed up sometimes. I digress…
I'm not disagreeing with you about the theft of intellectual property and ideas that happen, which some companies in China definitely do. Maybe for their own benefit within their country, and/or to make profit overseas from it. Whatever the case, it's sorta challenging waters to navigate as a consumer. I do try to better understand why others do what they do, though it's not agreeable. American companies are no better in some cases, though they feel free to shout from their "podium" and criticize others. This whole situation is way bigger than some Chinese equipment manufacturer making a copy of removable bolt primarily for use in their own country. Whatever the case, we as consumers have (sometimes) the purchasing power to decide what we wanna do with our dollar. And there are pros and cons that come with that decision.
I have a Camnal rip off of a Petzl Corse.
Quality is good. Good price.
Petzl rob us blind, so screw em.
Your comment shows a lack of appreciation for research and development costs as well as the economic considerations of a company located in the Western economy vs. China. Your financial situation may be that you lack resources to support a company like Petzl but you are mistaken about them robbing their customers. Quality gear won't be the cheapest.
@@512dude
Petzl don't make all of their own gear, so the R&D is often done by other companies (but yes I'm aware of Petzls efforts in that regard - I've read their history "book").
Also, if you're familiar with the Corse, it's an extremely simply "device" - no R&D is even required, google it...
Chk the price while you're at it - do you honestly think that's reasonable for what it is!?
It's not even a rated piece of gear, thus no expensive testing etc.
Many people successfully use a variety of rubber bands/skinny cords to fill the same function, so again, it's not rocket science nor should it have a price tag representative of such.
Rated gear is another matter - I'm happy to pay more for gear that's supposed to hold my bodyweight or a fall.