Why Sending Messages to Extraterrestrials Could Be Risky (Dark Forest Hypothesis)

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  • @georgeharrisonOK
    @georgeharrisonOK 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +734

    Maybe the civilization we were looking for was the friends we made along the way

    • @Sebastian-gf2fk
      @Sebastian-gf2fk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      Maybe the enemies we want are just not there.

    • @DneilB007
      @DneilB007 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Um… you know that is literally the point of SETI, right? Meeting new friends?

    • @sion8
      @sion8 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      So, none?

    • @UnionYes1021
      @UnionYes1021 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      What if we are the alien civilization that we’ve been looking for all along?

    • @terrafirma5327
      @terrafirma5327 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@DneilB007 Meme references go way over your head it seems.

  • @Beryllahawk
    @Beryllahawk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +196

    Honestly I think Contact did a decent job presenting the basics of this whole idea. Sagan really had a good way of explaining the ways that inter-species communication could work. (That was a good movie, too. I know it mostly focused on what us humans would do, and how badly we'd handle any proof of other life, but the science was well presented.)
    Larry Niven pointed out that humans are in fact EXPERTS at communication with aliens: because we talk to each other, because we can communicate with babies, and animals, and these days even get at least a hint of what ants and plants are "saying." And in among that notion of "we can't know what aliens are like, their biology, how they sense the universe," includes some pretty wild implications you know? What if aliens never see their own young until they're grown, or what if the baby alien is SO vastly different from an adult that they literally can't interact or communicate? Imagine a butterfly trying to talk to a caterpillar: could they even do that? Do caterpillars have the biological equipment to receive, interpret, and respond to adult-butterfly pheromone? It's not like butterflies guard their young, or teach them - something that we humans almost take for granted. (I'll leave the lovely vision of a seven foot tall insect for other imaginations to play with. Or for fans of Jack L Chalker, hehe.)
    I will say it's highly likely that any star faring civilization WOULD have some kind of vision, though. Again from Niven's thoughts on the matter, what made humans explore the universe was, and to an extent continues to be, that we LOOK UP. We see, and we have questions, and science leads us to new ways to ask those questions and to learn.
    Yet another point that's worth considering: what will it look like when we DO get a response? "Cranky Joe" had a point, what if there are geniuses on another planet - but they're cephalopods. Or whales? They could make telescopes and maybe develop the tech to receive our signals, and even respond: but they're not necessarily gonna come visiting. It might end up being a literal long distance friendship, but the Earth would at least be...safer. I won't say safe, look what we've done to ourselves, but still.
    Excellent video!

    • @jjhggdcqz
      @jjhggdcqz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Maybe it's like Star Trek, where the true key to contact with another civilization is faster than light travel, i.e. us going to them or vice versa.
      When it comes to faster than light, scientists are divided; some say it's completely impossible, but others say it will happen.

    • @jonasga
      @jonasga 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Contact was really silly and naive. More advanced civs are going to know more about us than we know about ourselves. The way people think about advanced extraterrestrials is almost like a coping mechanism. Look how small we have made computers and sensors in just a few years. What are an interstellar race going to be using? People who have been developing their computers and sensors for tens of thousands or even tens of millions more years? It's comical to think they wouldn't be able to immediately communicate with us.

    • @Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-db2ff
      @Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-db2ff 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@jonasgado you realise how unlikely it would be for a civilization to last any more than a few thousand years? Let alone a million without incredible luck!

    • @Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-db2ff
      @Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-db2ff 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It reminds me of all tomorrows a little bit. When the humans are separated by thousands of light years, they still manage to communicate and form an alliance for the common good

    • @shramanadasdutta3006
      @shramanadasdutta3006 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@jonasgai always question the bit where we assume the other life form will be smarter than us. Why tho? Cant it be that we are the smart life forms already and those we meet are just coming onto their own?

  • @davidroddini1512
    @davidroddini1512 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +153

    If, as implied at the end, we turn out to be the most advanced species in our general region... Then I feel sorry for any other lifeforms in our general region of space.

    • @Splarkszter
      @Splarkszter 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      It's not all lost yet, everyone needs to contribute, stop the distopia we are already in one. Embrace FLOSS.

    • @davidmccarthy6061
      @davidmccarthy6061 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      @@Splarkszter My dentist always says that too.

    • @pratyakshkumar1003
      @pratyakshkumar1003 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      god forbid if we find oil there.

    • @miguelmalvina5200
      @miguelmalvina5200 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      there has to be a story out there where the humans are the dominant apex predator of space man.

    • @eiheioh2050
      @eiheioh2050 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Venus-Billiards commemorates the Draconians who pushed Venus into the solar system, miscalculated its orbit, and tore Tiamat
      Golf - Moon 🌕 Commemorative invention curve positioning, pushing the moon into the solar system and precisely
      After the fall of Tiamat, it was reincarnated as Thoth, the Black Eight Gods

  • @ronkirk5099
    @ronkirk5099 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

    It would be the greatest event in our history if we received an extraterrestrial signal, but unless there is some bizarre physics we haven't discovered yet, the vastness of space makes the event very improbable. It is doubtful that we are alone in the universe, but we will be forever isolated in our little corner of it so we better take better care of it.

    • @I.____.....__...__
      @I.____.....__...__ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Confirming alien is indeed the biggest, most revolutionary, most life-changing thing that can happen to an intelligent spices, and it's a universal notion that would apply to aliens as well. After that, only confirming what, if anything happens after death (and again, universal). Sadly, you KNOW even if it happened, the whole world would lose interest within a week and news would move onto the latest war or celebrity-scandal du jour, especially since nothing day-to-day practical comes of them. 🤦

    • @nathanberrigan9839
      @nathanberrigan9839 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      The book Pushing Ice has one possible solution to this. In the book, the first advanced species eventually determines they are alone in the galaxy and given not just the vastness of space, but also the vastness of time, it's unlikely they will ever meet another intelligent species. So they create a Dyson Sphere and send probes throughout the galaxy. When a probe encounters a sufficiently advanced species, it captures them. Then it uses near light speed travel and associated time dilation shenanigans to make all the different probes arrive at the Dyson Sphere at the same time billions of years in the future. Then they can all do a giant meet and greet.

    • @The1stDukeDroklar
      @The1stDukeDroklar 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      At sub-light speeds, it would only take a few million years to colonize every star in our galaxy.

    • @abstract5249
      @abstract5249 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nathanberrigan9839 "When a probe encounters a sufficiently advanced species, it captures them."
      I'm gonna stop you right there😂

  • @A.Filthy.Casual
    @A.Filthy.Casual 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    Saying this is for sure nothing novel, but let's be real: any species capable of interstellar or even intergalactic travel has most certainly overcome resource scarcity and labor needs

    • @SioxerNikita
      @SioxerNikita 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Neither is necessarily true...

    • @abdullahmalik267
      @abdullahmalik267 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tbh, j can't agree, if an interstellar civilization exists, it has a VERY HUGE population, and larger the race is more food and supplies it needs, so i feel in a situation like this an Interstellar civilization SHOULD be seen expanding

    • @SioxerNikita
      @SioxerNikita 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@abdullahmalik267 Interstellar civilizations doesn't necessarily have a very large population.

    • @abdullahmalik267
      @abdullahmalik267 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@SioxerNikita tbh after writing that statement, and reading yours I've just realised that neither of us are apart of an interstellar Civilization so we have probably have no idea what we are talking about... they are guesses without any based observation

    • @SioxerNikita
      @SioxerNikita 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@abdullahmalik267 That's why I said... "doesn't necessarily"... There is no inherent property of an interstellar civilization that says it HAS to be a very large population. Especially if they have a lot of automation.

  • @cavemann_
    @cavemann_ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    "Would you feel bad about squishing an ant?"
    Yes, in fact I would. Call me crazy, but I would.

    • @aprilmeowmeow
      @aprilmeowmeow 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      there are at least two of us 😅

    • @dangerfly
      @dangerfly 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      You'd care for that one ant but the thousands of bugs you hit with your car are only a statistic.

    • @cavemann_
      @cavemann_ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@dangerfly True

    • @abdullahmalik267
      @abdullahmalik267 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dangerfly didn't Comrade Stalin say smth like that?

    • @icinnalatte
      @icinnalatte 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@abdullahmalik267I’m not sure who said it but I think the more popular saying is “one death is a tragedy, a thousand is a statistic”

  • @theoneknownasghost
    @theoneknownasghost 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

    I think it would be depressing if alien life responded to the radio messages we sent out, but the speed at which it traveled was slow slow that our sun already reached the end of its life cycle.

    • @Freakhealer
      @Freakhealer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Only if we are still alive

    • @user-dh6bj2me5p
      @user-dh6bj2me5p 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      😅all radio signals travel at same speed/speed of light

    • @I.____.....__...__
      @I.____.....__...__ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@user-dh6bj2me5p Yes, but space is sooooo big that even light takes forever to travel its vast distances.

    • @123FireSnake
      @123FireSnake 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      it's another 4 billion years for our sun, that's still millions of large GALAXIES within range.
      Besides if we're around that long, we could easily prolong the life of the sun, it's not all that difficult as far as mega engineering goes it just takes time and a few large asteroids worth of building materials. If we've got any emotional capacity left for the next few hundred to thousand years earth and the sun will be very well taken care of.

    • @I.____.....__...__
      @I.____.....__...__ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Stonehenge took over 1,200 years to build. The people who started it probably knew their great-grandchildren wouldn't even get to see it finished, let alone themselves, but they still began it anyway. 🤷

  • @brianroberts783
    @brianroberts783 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +92

    An interesting thought to consider is what if there's not some super advanced alien civilization out there? What if we are some of the first intelligent life in the universe?

    • @IHateUniqueUsernames
      @IHateUniqueUsernames 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Then perhaps we can guide younger species along their path to reach for the stars, and hope we can help prevent any major disasters that may come their way, natural or otherwise.

    • @timauth
      @timauth 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Great question. What if we are the most advanced beings in this universe? Or are we like children in a dark forest that have been playing very loudly and just now realizing that something might be listening? And we're purposely trying to talk to them with an assumption that it doesn't want to eat us. Or maybe nothing is there. It's exciting either way but I really hope WE aren't the smartest thing or that we're kids blindly dancing in front of cosmic wolves. lol

    • @-Subtle-
      @-Subtle- 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Or what if the other intelligent species have already gone extinct.

    • @davidmccarthy6061
      @davidmccarthy6061 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@-Subtle- Yes, more likely that there have been millions of them but at different times and places, and given the vast distances it is easy enough to stay relatively local and have everything you need.

    • @lowwastehighmelanin
      @lowwastehighmelanin 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Terrifying: we're not as smart as we like to think we are

  • @LegendConsole
    @LegendConsole 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    It's always better to try and fail than to never try at all.

    • @I.____.....__...__
      @I.____.....__...__ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ALWAYS? 🤨 There are definitely some occasions in which the cost of failure is higher than the reward of success. I certainly wouldn't try tightrope-walking across the Grand Canyon to get a bit of fame for a couple of days and fall. 😒

    • @arifbagusprakoso2308
      @arifbagusprakoso2308 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I don't mind if you're the one funding it. For most people though, there are many other worth to focus.

    • @Charlys787
      @Charlys787 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      not in war and that's the fear it's all about

    • @aedwards4496
      @aedwards4496 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You might end up poking a hornet's nest by "trying" the consequences might not be as you'd wish for

  • @Sal-T
    @Sal-T 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    It could be that there is some method of communication that requires a level of understanding of physics that we don't have yet, and that level of understanding would mean that we're advanced enough to be worth communicating with, and once we discover it, we'll see that there's all sorts of activity out there, but until we do, it all looks so quiet.
    Kinda like the 'first warp-capable ship' prompting first contact in Star Trek.

    • @kieranbailey5394
      @kieranbailey5394 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      gravitational wave communication.

  • @thegamingdogwr
    @thegamingdogwr 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    6:32 : “ We get ......... ”
    Me : “ Rick rolled ”

  • @fizola88
    @fizola88 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I think there are two possible scenarios: We will find some contact, we will even be able to comunicate (40 years waiting for response and such, but still) but vast distances in our universe will never allow us to see each other in person.
    Or we will be the ones to go out and explore, maybe we will be some ancient myth in far away civilization in stone age that we will find and try to teach (or most likely enslave... which is sad)

  • @brianfox771
    @brianfox771 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Yes, space is vast and huge. And radio signals grow very weak even over relatively short distances within our solar system. Also, given the distances we're dealing with, the speed of light is quite slow.

  • @ArturoBazeIV
    @ArturoBazeIV 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love it how the only reason to put on the hoodie at the end was to cover for you hugging yourself 😂❤

  • @John-zz6fz
    @John-zz6fz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I get the general point of SETI and METI and SETI does pretty good science so I definitely support them. To me the resounding silence is definitely a clue to something and is useful for bounding a lot of our probability calculations. We still have way too many variables at play to rigorously refine the Drake equation let alone to start applying the thing. So the science continues and we will just have to wait and see.
    Things to consider for this topic:
    1) The speed of light just might be ABSOLUTE which will be incredibly limiting for the spread of intelligent life let alone the exchange of ideas
    2) Technology very likely follows a logistics curve and isn't exponential, so we assume we are headed for Star Trek but maybe the best we can do is the Matrix
    3) Radio technology just might be a transient technology, we may be attempting to contact the gods with pictographs on the hillside
    4) We might not be an interesting place to visit because the earth's gravity would make us a nice place to visit but not a nice place to live (too low)
    5) Maybe we are being monitored and evaluated as a threat, I mean we use any and all technology we get our hands on to kill each other. What would we do to aliens if given the chance?

  • @coondog7934
    @coondog7934 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Must be the first time in history someone actually saying sorry for rick-rolling someone.

  • @-Thauma-
    @-Thauma- 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Brilliantly made 😄 Thanks, Joe!

  • @kenzemuhammed5719
    @kenzemuhammed5719 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Honestly, this is one question that has been haunting me for soo many years. As much as I can think, any audio or visual communication in our common knowledge won't be an effective way to communicate, since even the fundamental things which we "discovered", are something which we assigned symbols for our understanding. But as Joe said if we can communicate via radio wave or anything that is fundamental thing of universe, as the basic medium (i.e encode our message in radio wave and transmit it to space, for the alien to pick it up and decode it in their understanding ) that can be a method, but let's be honest, what are the chances an extra terrestrial knowing the exact way of decoding the message we sent, in the end, what we send is our way of perceiving things it can be text, visual or even sound. Sure scientists have found ways to encode messages in visual format from binary in form of radiowave but, think of this, for an alien to decode the message, first it needs a radio receiver, and hope that they perceive radio waves in the same form of graphs as we do, then it needs a screen or any such sorta thing to lay the foundation of the binary code in color format (that is if they know binary and have the visual privilage to understand the visual spectrum of light) and then visually understand it!! what we know as fundamentals of universe, are stuff we assigned specific ideology and symbols to, for example they might know what a zero is but, it might be in a way which we do not know or understand. There are a lot of "if" and "hope" in this quest to communicate to aliens. I know it's frustrating and that's why it haunts me this much, there is no way we can communicate unless those guys have same sensory organs as we do and have the knowledge and resources to decipher what we say. Which have a lot less probability, but we have to consider something! our sample space is big enough to have hundreds or thousands of favourable outcomes who can understand us in the way we intend to, but out of billions or even trillions (size of sample space). SAD :"(

    • @timharig
      @timharig 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You are overcomplicating things -- a lot. If we restrict ourselves to radio transmission, which is a very reasonable given the distances, then we begin with a very limited palette to begin with. There are only two fundamental ways that we can modulate a carrier wave: amplitude modulation and frequency modulation (phase modulation is a special case of frequency modulation).
      The very simplest modulation that ANYBODY with a radio receiver should be able to interpret is continuous wave amplitude keyed modulation. That is we turn the the signal on and off. Then we broadcast a simple series of beats that kindergartener should be able to understand.
      We broadcast one pulse then wait. Then we broadcast two pulses in succession and wait. Next we broadcast three pulses and wait. Maybe we go all of the way up to ten pulses.
      Any intelligence that can detect radio waves should be able understand an increasing sequence of pulses whether they hear, see it, feel it, or smell it.
      From there we start to build a vocabulary of the numbers. We perhaps give the numbers a more a more efficient binary representation and we send the translation table. Since we have established the pulses as numbers, we can send one pulse and our representation for one. Then we send two pulses and the representation for two. And so on.
      Then we create names for the mathematical operators and send them a few lines from an addition table using the number representations that we have already established. An intelligent being should be able to figure out that the new symbol stands for addition.
      Then we keep going from there gradually building a common vocabulary and understanding one little step at a time.

    • @kenzemuhammed5719
      @kenzemuhammed5719 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@timharig hmmm interesting that's a really good way to express yourself, to a planet who interpret things just like us humans do. what I'm trying to say is, what you said is just soo "human". we are communicating with aliens! and the fact that they even think, what we are trying to do in the initial stages of transmission is to create a base of interpretation is just soo not likely, there are millions of ways to interpret it, and not just as numbers as you said (the human way!). oh well you can argue if they can't figure it out it's okay, I mean we are in the quest of intelligent life forms after all, aren't we? As I said, it's just we are expecting/hoping things. We humans created binary we say it exists as a universal language because we saw patterns, but for an alien it might have an entirely different forms of communication and understanding of symbols, which could be influenced by their unique biology, environment, and technological evolution. Hey I'm no expert in this, and I might be wrong; oh wait! it's that what I've already said, it's just "if" and "hope" mathematically knows as probability, which is quiet low at this point, sadly.

    • @joelsavoie8641
      @joelsavoie8641 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@kenzemuhammed5719 I mean, it's kinda because the whole endeavor hinges on the anthrocentrism of aliens wanting to talk. Like, any information we encode into a transmission received by an alien civilization (assuming we're the first to talk to them) is just an extra on top of the main point of the message which is to say: we're alive, we're here, and we can send radio signals like you. But as you say, even that much depends on a pattern being noticed in a way potentially particular to humans. Even if theyre very human-like, perhaps our radio transmissions in millions of years will be recieved by alien scientists intially logged as a junk signal, only for their observatory to get defunded and the research lost before its unusual contents could be dug into. That is to say, even an anthopic alien could very well miss a signal, since well, when have we anthropoids been perfect? Man. Time and space are big huh.

  • @XSaebaYRyoZ
    @XSaebaYRyoZ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    What if alien were listening but all they heard was:
    "Never gonna give you up..."

    • @brianfox771
      @brianfox771 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Then you better get ready for Rick Astley being our new global supreme leader. 😉

    • @ShlokParab
      @ShlokParab 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What is they heard , say- a death threat?

    • @The1stDukeDroklar
      @The1stDukeDroklar 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😆

  • @mkkundal
    @mkkundal 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    One of the best science channels. Funny and informative! I loved your character work and the way this video was shot, making it more conversational when exchanging ideas. If only people with different perspectives could sit down and have a discussion like that. Anyways, you have got some serious acting chops! Keep it up Joe! And thanks for helping us learn!

  • @jinkiesjess155
    @jinkiesjess155 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Love how the message here was basically "Maybe the real treasure was the lessons we learned along the way." 😂❤

  • @Aditya_Nambiar
    @Aditya_Nambiar 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    What a wholesome ending!

  • @kimbersal1
    @kimbersal1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You twins keep me curious and make me smarter. Thanks.

  • @hamidrana085
    @hamidrana085 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "we underestimate how alien aliens can be"

  • @jasminemagee410
    @jasminemagee410 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This might be my favourite Be Smart video. Love the topic and love how it was filmed ❤❤❤

  • @KrystalBraveheart
    @KrystalBraveheart 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    did this get reuploaded? i am like 90 percent sure i have watched this entire video before, i could just be having weird deja vu but yeah its confusing me

  • @dondelapongo
    @dondelapongo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Child: are we alone?
    Oracle: yes
    Child: so there is no life out there in the stars?
    Oracle: yes there is, they are alone too.

  • @Monika007
    @Monika007 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love your way to explain ❤

  • @NewMessage
    @NewMessage 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    So... Carefully.

  • @KaiseruSoze
    @KaiseruSoze 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I'm always asking myself - when will dolphins send us a semi-prime encoded bit string!!??

  • @SurinderSingh-pl4qc
    @SurinderSingh-pl4qc 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You are creating AWESOME videos.
    Plz Make them longer.... atleast 25 to 30 minutes.

  • @user-hj7uc4mu7r
    @user-hj7uc4mu7r 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Of many vdo I've watched on this channel, this one is among the best.

  • @FishOutOfWaterToronto
    @FishOutOfWaterToronto 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Brian Cox has a great video on all the differing hypotheses about why we haven't heard from "ets"

  • @sidepunch
    @sidepunch 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Definitely wasn't expecting that rick roll 😂

    • @4roronoazoro
      @4roronoazoro 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And I wasn’t expecting Stephan hawking 😭😭

    • @anasreza782
      @anasreza782 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not from this channel 😂

  • @StellarLimpkin
    @StellarLimpkin 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Maybe the real long-lived civilization was the one we made all along…

  • @jooniespie
    @jooniespie 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    honestly, contemplation of extraterrestrial life, sending audio and visual signals to help it and then theorizing that the extraterrestrials are afraid to reach out upon not getting a response is such a human thing to do lmao 😭

  • @YoungGandalf2325
    @YoungGandalf2325 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    The Arecibo Message looks like a game of Space Invaders. I think we might be giving the wrong impression about humans.

  • @piyushsahu6045
    @piyushsahu6045 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I didn't know I was gonna get rick rolled in alien this morning

  • @I.____.....__...__
    @I.____.....__...__ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    - The Arecib message presumes they lay it out correctly as 23×73 instead of 23×73 and figure out what those Atari-2600 sprites mean (which most humans can't do).
    - You didn't account for attenuation. The signals aren't coherent and spread out and diminish so NONE of our signals reached far enough to get to anywhere that intelligent life is located, and we haven't gotten any back for the same reason.

  • @CrashingThunder
    @CrashingThunder 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    It's all fun and games until the Wraith start sucking the life out of your chest /s

  • @mr.johnson3844
    @mr.johnson3844 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like the use of the hoodie to keep the bit going.

  • @Jim-Stick
    @Jim-Stick 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video as always. The vastness of space is something that is often overlooked. Our signals can only travel at the speed of light. We are constantly looking into the past in our local galaxy. I feel that sending these signals is a great thing to do. Chances are, if someone hears them, we will be long gone.

    • @dl2839
      @dl2839 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There's nobody that can hear anything. By the time it reaches the distances that are required to contact, the signal will be too diffuse to actually detect, let alone decode.

  • @Orrsmen
    @Orrsmen 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ive always had the philosophy of we are not alone, because the universe is vast and if it happened here, it can happen anywhere. I just didnt think too much about how we could be the "ancient civilization" that we were looking for, but for someone else. I liked how you set this video up and your conclusion! It definitely made me think differently.

  • @leonardofontenelle3560
    @leonardofontenelle3560 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    "The Dark Forest" happens to be the sequel to "The Three-Body Problem", by Liu Cixin

    • @JohnnyJacobGO
      @JohnnyJacobGO หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I mean the theory is named after the book

  • @d.-_-.b
    @d.-_-.b 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    If we've been sending signals for a hundred years, then the closest capable planet to respond for us to receive it now would only be fifty light years away. That's an infinitesimally small area of the universe. Our own milky way galaxy is a hundred THOUSAND light years across. Given the amount of time involved we can't even ask "is there life out there?", we can only ask "was there life out there x amount of years ago?"

    • @brianfox771
      @brianfox771 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And keep in mind, those signals weren't very strong to begin with. Like, you couldn't pick them up with a radio the next state away, let alone the nearest neighboring star system. Those 100 year old signals are so weak they are drowned out by even the slightest background radio frequencies.

    • @SioxerNikita
      @SioxerNikita 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@brianfox771Next state over has bigger issues than the next satellite over, you are aware, right? There is this thing called "Earth" in the way

    • @brianfox771
      @brianfox771 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @SioxerNikita radio signals from 100 years ago, even with relative line of sight, would be difficult to pick up just a few East Coast counties away. Unless there were some really good conditions with the ionosphere.

    • @SioxerNikita
      @SioxerNikita 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@brianfox771 More an issue of receiver than transmitter. And a few counties away... The earth is still in the way. You are aware how "close" the horizon is, right?
      You are at that point relying on reflections to get you further...

  • @JHaven-lg7lj
    @JHaven-lg7lj 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s never necessary to apologize for a RickRoll.
    Going to forward this to my grandson now 😄

  • @AdorianDelmore
    @AdorianDelmore 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thats why i love the Arrival movie because communication is the key to understanding.

  • @midnightrambler8866
    @midnightrambler8866 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If we do get a response it would be terrifying if they said "shhhhhh! They're listening! "

  • @jeremiahwollander7364
    @jeremiahwollander7364 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I legitimately thought that was going to be a whole Joe/Anti-Joe thing at the end... And when they went in for the hug they were going to eliminate each other and end the video with an explosion 😅

    • @berrybannanas
      @berrybannanas 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      that would have been way cooler

  • @just_sum_punk
    @just_sum_punk 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Anybody else formed a parasocial bond with Joe and the Green brothers? I know my science nerd self has. I always appreciate videos that explain things NASA has done in the past and how we try to innovate those trials. Great content everybody!

  • @adamwishneusky
    @adamwishneusky 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The dark forest trilogy by Cixin Liu is so goooood 📕

  • @takumi2023
    @takumi2023 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The other reason is time as well. Just because we're alive now doesn't mean everyone else is too. With vast distance and time, maybe intelligence in life hasn't evolved yet

  • @jaimel88
    @jaimel88 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That Monty Python stomp was class.

  • @true_cnstntn
    @true_cnstntn 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The three body problem book series is all about this idea. I'm surprised it was not mentioned after talking about the dark forest

  • @Myrtlecrack
    @Myrtlecrack 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent episode! Thank you!🤔

  • @chadjmoore
    @chadjmoore 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I expect that other civilizations will be at a different level of advancement, a faster than light species. I am excited and hope to see the answers to our differences, all we can learn and how we communicate. I think Star Trek provides a good basis for why we haven't made contact as of yet. We're not ready as a species, we haven't master FL travel. There is so much chaos and violence on our planet could you imagine spreading it beyond our solar system. If I were on the other side I wouldn't want our ignorant violence, not in my system (NIMS).

  • @Jesse-cw5pv
    @Jesse-cw5pv 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The fermi paradox is one of the most interesting topics to ponder

  • @skd
    @skd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They probably came and said: "We went there, we didn't see any signs of intelligent life on this planet. Moving on."

  • @markoposavec9240
    @markoposavec9240 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I think the most probable thing is that there is a lot of life out there and the ones we get in contact with will be extremely advanced. When we discover something this big it's usually a surprise, something totally unexpected! Usually the universe gives us a big wake up slap! Then we realize how ridiculously wrong and stubborn we were as the truth reveals itself right in front of our nose.

  • @Glenn.Cooper
    @Glenn.Cooper 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes, absolutely. We have a lot to learn from them.

  • @allaware1971
    @allaware1971 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Imagine this: youre the only last human alive and everyone else is an alien.
    You meet someone online, a ufo drops them off with a car to meet you.
    Everything is an alien simulation to see how you use your mind and body to save the world.

  • @Mrnotpib
    @Mrnotpib 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    8:59 the question I have for this personally is, how do we know when we’ve failed at searching the cosmos? If the cosmos is that infinitely big, how do we know where the point of failure is?

    • @attepatte8485
      @attepatte8485 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      There is no point of failure and we keep going

    • @SilortheBlade
      @SilortheBlade 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      The answer is we won't know. You can't prove a negative.

    • @lobachevscki
      @lobachevscki 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Failure is our default position. Even if there is a civilization out there but we were incapable of contacting them then we would have failed because from our perspective it is not different than assuming we are alone. The success condition is that we have sufficient evidence we contacted or were contacted by another civilization so anything else is failure.
      Failure is not based on a reality we cant know about (thats the point of the searching) but in the goal we are setting.

    • @I.____.....__...__
      @I.____.....__...__ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You don't know. You just keep trying for fun and curiosity until you get bored and quit and leave it to others to try for fun and curiosity and so on. It's no different than most stuff, you go until you lose interest and others pick up where you left off.

    • @CarFreeSegnitz
      @CarFreeSegnitz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We should do an exhaustive search out to a distance where it becomes pointless. A distance of a few tens of thousands of lightyears after which distance guarantees there will be no meaningful exchanges, good or bad.
      There is no failure mode. Knowing there is life, or no life, is beneficial either way. Not knowing and then being confronted by an immediate existential threat would be abject failure.

  • @gailaltschwager7377
    @gailaltschwager7377 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you!

  • @RythmGkwd
    @RythmGkwd 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:52 Is that "The Mask" 😂

  • @Psykoses
    @Psykoses 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That ending was absolute gold

  • @cfromnowhere
    @cfromnowhere 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    1:26 This footage is from 2010. Hawking later changed his idea on SETI and co-signed the open letter that launched the Breakthrough Listen project in 2015, which is the most extensive SETI project to date ("In an infinite Universe, there must be other life. There is no bigger question. It is time to commit to finding the answer."). So his opinion shown in the documentary is not his final view.

    • @corbalord
      @corbalord 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He also liked to watch little people solve equations on a big chalk board

  • @MBMCincy63
    @MBMCincy63 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Aside from the current video (thumbs 👍🏻), I saw you Dr Joe, on a medical TV info video about being well, and taking care of yourself. At least I think that's what it was saying...

  • @nano_sweet
    @nano_sweet 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think that the biggest issue in communicating with extraterrestrial life is one of scale. Sentient terrestrial life is physically constained both spatially and temporally to about one to a couple meters and a few tens of years of lifespan respectively. It might be that our messages are too short/long both spatially and temporally even if there were to be a sentient life form listening. I'm sure someone's been playing around with this kind of reasoning but it's fun to think about.

  • @alywi
    @alywi 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I appreciated The Big Lebowski reference.

  • @dguibff
    @dguibff 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great video as always

  • @dubsar
    @dubsar 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it."

  • @SendFoodz
    @SendFoodz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    listening to this without the visuals, is just Joe reallllly second guessing himself for 10 minutes

  • @dainbramage9508
    @dainbramage9508 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Andy Weir did a great job proposing what first encounter with an alien lifeform would be like especially (SPOILERS)
    ones that didn't evolve electromagnetic wave sensing organs such as eyes

    • @SkaveRat
      @SkaveRat 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      agreed (although I'd say it's a massive spoiler if you say wich book includes it)

  • @TheAlchemistZero1
    @TheAlchemistZero1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Earth is the Florida of our Universe, genuinely intelligent beings will avoid cosmic pariahs. Nothing for us to worry about, except humans being humans.

  • @amehak1922
    @amehak1922 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    This is how you greet aliens: 🖖🖖🖖🖖🖖🖖🖖

    • @Feefa99
      @Feefa99 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      🖖

    • @gunsmokeandghouls
      @gunsmokeandghouls 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You're gonna get us all killed with that BS

    • @erikeriks
      @erikeriks 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No it goes more like boioioioioioioioioi

    • @helldronez
      @helldronez 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      _🖖_

    • @JenOween
      @JenOween 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Live long and may the force be with you.

  • @cob571
    @cob571 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2:38 what the heck is wrong with this foot?! those toes are OUT OF THIS WORLD

  • @oO0catty0Oo
    @oO0catty0Oo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ah, something nice and light for January.

  • @halonothing1
    @halonothing1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Protip: if you ever find yourself struggling to communicate that you're intelligent to an alien, just start tapping out prime numbers with your finger,. The first few will get the point across. 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13. Everybody knows primes. And counting how many times you tap on something should be simple enough to figure out, even with some time if necessary.

  • @Aragorn7884
    @Aragorn7884 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    No need to worry: Fermi Paradox 😅

  • @DJSteenkampMusic
    @DJSteenkampMusic 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Aliens would probably choke on our stupidity

  • @collins_channel8643
    @collins_channel8643 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow a dark forrest video? Im impressed

  • @ImperatorisAurei
    @ImperatorisAurei 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is 2 possibilities:
    One: Be prepared for unforeseen consequences.
    Two: Chill in Minceraft with alien homies.

  • @lh3540
    @lh3540 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Aliens are going to discover all our adorable animals and use us as a PetSmart.

  • @CadenButera
    @CadenButera 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love this

  • @user-em8fq2ev4b
    @user-em8fq2ev4b 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Skirting around the topic of the great filters without mentioning them...i was waiting and waiting...

  • @Vicioussama
    @Vicioussama 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Never be sorry at Rick Rolling anyone.

  • @TopFix
    @TopFix 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If aliens give us their number, should we wait 3 days to call them?

  • @yanina.korolko
    @yanina.korolko 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    an Extraterrestrial?
    Оn the floor laughing my ass off🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

  • @dango4ever719
    @dango4ever719 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If “The Three Body Problem” has taught me anything, we probably shouldn’t.

  • @ryanmcintyre3616
    @ryanmcintyre3616 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'd be incredibly depressed if we searched the entire universe and didn't find any other life at all....

  • @tomlxyz
    @tomlxyz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One thing I'm wondering about there (apparently) being no signals from aliens but us sending out signals for decades: if there are higher intelligence aliens, wouldn't they also at one point go through the phase of sending out radio signals? What's the chance they never use long range wireless technology but advance far? They can't even start unmanned space travel.
    And if that's the case shouldn't we already heard of any alien civilizations that also can hear us (given distance is the same both ways)?

  • @anibarukyouran1145
    @anibarukyouran1145 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I believe is worth the try, even if we are the only ones broadcasting right now that would be huge! imagine be the first? then again we have to live long enough and that's a bigger challenge than transmit between stars

  • @KuruGDI
    @KuruGDI 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    6:35 The OG for Rick Rolls. Should be some kind of exam for every physics/cryptography class! 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

  • @AndyJP
    @AndyJP 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Could we even have stopped our radio and tv signals from leaving the planet?

  • @gonderage
    @gonderage 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i thought it was weird he randomly put his hood on, but then i realized he was probably hugging a mannequin with that hoodie on

  • @jeroenrl1438
    @jeroenrl1438 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think the only alien sentence we're ever going to understand is: "Hmm, tastes a bit like chicken."

  • @FusionDeveloper
    @FusionDeveloper 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It would be funny if aliens lived by the motto "eat whatever makes noise".

  • @levi12howell
    @levi12howell 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    In order to decode that message wouldn’t they need to be in base 10?

    • @SioxerNikita
      @SioxerNikita 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Prime is independent of base

  • @jakegordz101
    @jakegordz101 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Was that whole thing with aliens in the US real? 😂😂😂 Maybe we've already made contact

  • @MariaMartinez-researcher
    @MariaMartinez-researcher 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That's why Star Trek is so relevant in real life. The best part of that franchise is that proposes an idealistic yet achievable model for a future human society, that can be built from the now. It is being built now, by all the Trekkies who have become astronauts, engineers, scientists, politicians, and the ones who are trying to make the most outlandish props into actual tech, like warp drive is the Alcubierre drive. But, most importantly, Star Trek presents a society in which money is not the difference between life and death anymore, and where discrimination and wars are behind in the past. That can be achieved by us even if we never travel to Alpha Centauri.
    On the anecdotal side, The Original Series departed from a future in which United Earth was already a founding member of the United Federation of Planets (any similarity with the USA and the UN is merely intentional), but the later series Enterprise depicted the first adventures of the first human starship capable of going into deep space; the seeds from which the Federation would grow. Thing is, according to the plot, the other future founding planets were in deep conflict against each other. It was the humans, the new kids in the block, who had barely any alliances and weren't know by almost anyone, the only ones neutral enough and adaptable enough as to serve as mediators and negotiators - based on their (our) long and painful experience with internal wars, they knew how to compromise and find a middle ground.
    That was what humankind added to the incomplete interplanetary equation, the special talent that nobody else had.
    Yup, the world needs more Star Trek. 😁