Why are Harley Davidson Motorcycles So Loud?
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Straight off the line today, Harley exhaust systems can emit noise as high as 80 decibels (dBs), give or take depending on the model. For reference, a typical car when idling emits noise at about 35-45 dB and in the high 50s to low 60s decibel levels at freeway speeds. Even something like a 2008 Ford F-450 truck only gets as loud as 51 dB when idling and 68 dB when traveling at 65 mph.
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netural how stunner
Lol
They sound better, but too loud can be annoying.
May your shorts catch fire you leftwingnut, LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES, point. As noted before your stating the obvious, no true explanation is offered here only leftwing biker bashing, one must wonder how may "accidents" you have been in with those pesky invisible motorcycles?
It"s a man thing, it don't matter how much desi-bells it produces as long as it sounds like a Harley and not the so annoying....ding ding..ding ding ding...Dinnnnnnggģ..that you hear on other moto..cycles...The sound of a Harley is iconic to the American culture..Boka Boka..Boka.Boka.
Loud pipes don't do anything to save lives, skill saves lives.
what if you are in the blind spot of a vehicle. They will hear a Harley. Blind spots tend to be where cars run into motorcycles, especially in traffic.
Ufphen why would you allow yourself to be in a vehicles blind spot? That's were you would need more skill.
take for instance traffic where you cant evade an idiot driver or in Cali where lane splitting is legal and cars may change lanes and run into you. Skill will most undoubtedly not save you from crashing just like a car pulling out in front of you and you didn't see it coming. Skill cant save you forever.
I'm taking you've never ridden.
I lived in cali for 15 years, just the sound let them know I was there, and a fucking CHP actually thanked me for those loud pipes. cop bikes have standard exhaust. And I totally agree Eric Gudzinas. Nothing but skill saves lives. but on that day, on the 405, it did. Ive been around enough retards to know that cages kill us.
So you said they are loud, which we all know. You did not answer the question WHY they are so loud, which is what your title implied you would do.
shadowmihaiu well he did, but briefly and not in depth.
The real answer is that a lot of motorcycles, Harley or otherwise, are modified to put on louder exhausts. It's the first thing a lot of people do with their bikes, supposedly for performance benefits.
Realistically, it's not a huge difference, and it hurts the hobby as a whole by pissing off the public at large and reinforcing the stigma against motorcycles.
Exactly, I want to know the science behind it, not why they make it that way.
This video is horrible
Because the mufflers aren't very good
In my very best Samuel L. Jackson voice, *clears throat* "Say deci-bell one more time motha fuka!"
WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER MY HARLEY.
Perhaps you have a dick in your ear,🤔
Harley Davidson, the amazing ability to turn petrol into noise and heat without the by-product of power
murica
Exactly. That's why they are all pieces of shit. Lol
No truer words were ever stated.
considering most harleys produced are not meant to create lots of power and are in fact meant to cruise and be comfortable (kind of why they are called "Cruisers")...your statement is pretty ignorant
+eddyt One of those people that take shit too seriously, ay..? It's all good.
Also, I don't understand how deafening myself would make me comfortable... "your statement is pretty ignorant."
Those statistics about motorcycle accidents are misleading because they do not account for demographics. The vast majority of those accidents in which the biker was responsible involved sport bikes, NOT Harleys or Harley style bikes. It's not that Harleys or Harley style bikes are safer, it's that dangerous riders are attracted to faster, more agile sport bikes. These sport bikes tend to have more and smaller cylinder, leading to higher pitch, lower volume exhaust notes, as opposed to V-Twin bikes which have longer, thicker cylinders, resulting in lower pitch, louder volume exhaust.
What's more, you out right omitted non-fatal accidents, which are far FAR more common. Out of non fatal accidents involving more than one vehicle, the vast majority of the accidents are caused by the driver of the vehicle with 4 or more wheels not paying attention properly, either because they're on their celphone or they're just glancing instead of looking and thus not noticing the oncoming motorcycle before turning in front of them.
Please don't try to report on motorcycles anymore, since 5 minutes of google searching doesn't really suffice as a substitute for knowing what you're talking about.
I agree with you, but to be the devils advocate, loud pipes saving lives kinda is only applicable to preventing fatal accidents.
To be fair, loud pipes save limbs doesn't have the same ring to it though
Jason W. Morningwood
Well, I think loud pipes DO save lives, but only on the interstate... Basically, cars are a LOT less likely to change lanes into you if you have loud pipes. It's hard to hear loud pipes coming from within a car, but once they're beside you, you can't miss'em.
Right... or loud pipes protect your beautifully kept and loved bike, and maybe your legs.
There are stats about demographics and bike types, motorcycles deaths are roughly 50/50 between cruisers/sport bikes..
www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/motorcycles/fatalityfacts/motorcycles
Felipe Gutierrez
I can't find that statistic anywhere on the page you linked. It doesn't even make sense that the statistic you cited would even be there considering it's the IIHS, and they published the following, which contradicts it.
www.iihs.org/iihs/news/desktopnews/popularity-of-high-performance-motorcycles-helps-push-rider-deaths-to-near-record-high
What we see here is 22.6 fatal accidents per 10k miles among supersport bikes, 10.8 fatal accidents per 10k miles among sport and naked sport bikes, and 5.6 fatal accidents per 10k miles for cruisers.
The reason for per 10,000 miles is to normalize the numbers. If we look at total accidents on this style of bike and total accidents on that style of bike, we aren't accounting for ownership rates, or even the rate at which people ride them... For instance, someone who owns a motorcycle, keeps it registered, and never rides it will never generate a fatality statistic for that style of bike. So the only way to normalize the numbers to get a real picture of which bikes are more likely to generate a fatality if you ride them is through the 10k mile figure.
However, even then the number is not entirely fair because it doesn't take into account things like the rider taking risky behavior. Though let's be honest here, while nobody buys a motorcycle out of safety mindedness, nobody buys a sport bike expecting to ride it at the speed limit, or ride it in a safe manner.
The simple fact of the matter is that sport bikes attract inexperienced riders.
Let's look at Question number 9 on: www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/motorcycles/qanda
_9. Do rider characteristics differ by motorcycle class?_
_Yes. Different types of motorcycles tend to attract riders in different age groups. Riders of supersport, sport and unclad sport bikes tend to be younger than riders who choose standard, cruiser and touring motorcycles._
_Fatally injured rider characteristics are similar within each motorcycle class, but differ across classes. Speeding and driver error are bigger factors in fatal crashes of supersport, sport and unclad sport bikes compared with other classes of motorcycles. Speeding was a factor in 56 percent of supersport riders' fatal crashes in 2014 and 48 percent of the fatal crashes of sport and unclad sport riders. Speeding was a factor in 25 percent of fatal crashes among riders of cruisers and standards, 26 percent of riders of sport-touring motorcycles and 22 percent of riders of touring motorcycles. Sport and supersport riders were more likely to have been wearing helmets than many other motorcyclists. Seventy-seven percent of supersport riders who died in crashes in 2014 wore helmets, compared with 54 percent of cruiser and standard riders._
So not only do we see that young, inexperienced riders are attracted to sport and supersport bikes, but that you're far more likely to die on one in an accident, even while wearing a helmet compared to cruisers.
This of course does not mean that the bike style itself is explicitly responsible. Rider inexperience likely plays a huge role in that.
However, what likely also plays a huge role is the fact that on a sport or supersport, in the event that you hit something, you're effectively launched head first, which is more likely to result in a broken neck. Also, such bikes are more likely to be breaking the speed limit during an accident, as the riders are more likely to be major risk takers. So there are multiple factors at play, and while probably the biggest part of it is rider experience, it's not the only thing that makes sport and supersport bikes more dangerous.
In conclusion, if you're going to link to a source in support of your argument, make sure that source actually agrees with your argument.
Or in short... learn to read.
What makes a HD motorcycle so loud? The rider!
I had a neighbor who waited months for a custom-colored HD Ultra Glide to be delivered to him. He paid a huge sum of money to acquire this new bike, and the next weekend I was startled to hear a loud banging noise coming from the street. I looked out to find him hammering a long metal shaft into his exhaust, to knock out the baffles! This kept the EPA stamp intact, but made the noise loud enough to set off the car alarms as he rode down the street... Loud pipes annoy neighbors... And yes - I ride too.
A lot of them you can’t do that with the baffles now
I think that man is a legend
Stock(off the line) they aren’t loud at all. It’s the stage 1 exhaust or aftermarket slip on mufflers that make it loud.
They should be restricted or banned.
@@ColonelMarcellus wah put on fucking ear plugs then.
@@ColonelMarcellus So should you !
@@dannymccollum1708 Harley rider here.
Nah Danny, just don't be an insecure bitch that needs attention from the noise.
I underestimated the number of bikers that watch your channel...
Jim Piver Just by saying something like that, you show how low your own intelligence is.
Jim Piver If you think grammar is an image of one's "brightness" as you put it, then you show your own intelligence. (Or lack there of.) (See, I can be pretentious too. If I so choose...)
biker vs cager war let's go boys
Noahs Ark eh came up in my recommend
Robert Dobbs 3 bikes still no car lmfao
dude....loud pipes save lives
So do helmets, but many Harley riders don't wear those. ;-)
That was the best response I've ever read.
Perfect response!
He's got a point.
How is this the perfect response? it really isn't.
2 safety options is better than one after all.
Wow, i just wasted 6 min. of my life that I'll never get back..
Thanks! You just saved me 6
NO SHIT!
You waste more than that everyday.
Harley Davidson's are the fastest way to convert petrol to noise without the side affect of horse power
Hey Will, go back to third grade ,please. The hyphen you added is made to show possession in the English language. What are you trying to say here? It is suppose to read Harley Davidsons, that means plural or more than one Harley.Just explaining so you can understand and not stay up all night thinking about it.
John Dyer When you try and roast someone's punctuation errors and end up sounding like a complete dumbass because you called an apostrophe a hyphen.
It's like a contest with them to see if they can create more db than HP.
My Chevelle is over 550hp and practically has open exhaust and side exit boom tubes and I can easily stay quieter in town, but then again my engine is properly tuned and I feel no urge to rev the engine constantly at every stop light. What make it even more ridiculous are the people with 1000hp turbo LS rides that are even quieter than my car.
Good for you.If a motor vehicle has a loud or obnoxious muffler, it is the job of the local police to enforce the law.Drag pipes and pulling the baffles falls into this class. A state trooper spent a whole summer nailing people going to the Harley dealer and quieted down the area a lot.That's the way it should be.Remember, it si not the Harleys that make the noise., it is the people riding them. Just like banning guns will stop gun related deaths.
John Dyer Where I live the sheriffs office has harleys just as loud.
and loud pipes have saved my life. cars just don't give a shit about bikes safety and don't look or expect to share the road with bikes. now with all the texting and driving hear the bikes and look up
Ernie Desjardins Let's face it, loud pipes weren't what saved you, luck did.
Nicholas Hatala Luck??? I have rode bikes and driven trucks my whole life, and you will not remain alive on the highways relying on luck. Defensive driving coupled with driving sensibly yourself is necessary. And I am guilty of having "loud pipes" on one of my two bikes, a Harley that had those pipes on it when I bought it. Solution is that I do not hammer the throttle or do high rpm's around people. Loud pipes need help to be loud. If people would just respect one another, a lot of these problems would go away. So let's try giving one another a break. Live to ride, ride to live.
Yup, I am so tired of having to lean on my horn as people try to merge and left turn without looking.
James Hardy i got a loud ass pipe so i just rev the fuck out of my engine and scare em shitless
o fcourse cars dont care they are inanimate object, now do not try to lump all drivers of those cars together, I have to say I see motorcycles usually, sometimes you dont expect them and sometimes they are wearing such dark clothing on dark motorcycle on dark pavement you dont see them right away. takes a moment for hte brain to register that your there. I do care by the way about all life especially human lives.
I think South Park answered the question more accurately. I ride motorcycles too.
Fuck was that episode funny!!
"A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." Atlanta Contitution 1916
Saw this quote on the wall of a Harley dealership.
Single individual crashes have nothing to do with sound levels . Use Your horn switch they say. as You move to locate the cleanest switch on Your handle bars, it's over. Since My hand is already on the throttle a good snap of the wrist will in fact be a much quicker response than fumbling towards the switch as Your grip tightens and you may advert your eyes to locate the horn switch, which most riders have not acquired muscle memory for. The Crack from loud pipes will Penetrate the cabin of a tank as the driver may be distracted as They decide to take your lane. The Stock pipes Harley sales sounds like a sewing machine on purpose. After a buyer has his first near death experience as he is jamming the hor repeatedly while losing blacktop from a suv immediately returns to Harley to check the prices on a newer louder exhaust system. Why else is a whole wall dedicated to pipes? They know. Loud pipes do save lives in certain situations, but no one calls the police and says, "I was almost hit! But My loud pipes got their attention!" What you do get is , "I didn't See Him" and " I didn't hear them". I'll take the ticket for the seconds of discomfort to these poor souls ears so I can come home to loved ones.
A person could have a normal conversation standing next to my BMW while it was running. I've heard all the arguments that noise saves lives but I prefer to be aware of my surroundings and that works fine for me.
Harold Bullock great comment
I also have a very quiet bike. While I respect your choice to focus on your surroundings, I find that i cannot hear a thing over wind noise and through my full face helmet. That said, I don't see the need to have obnoxiously loud exhausts, but can see the benefit of being heard and respect those who chose to ride with loud pipes.
Harold Bullock i disagree. While you need to be aware of your surroundings at all times and ride like everyone is trying to kill you, sometimes you cant do anything about a situation. Loud pipes have saved my ass a few times, but i respect your opinion.
But do you know what a turn signal is?
:P
+Harold Bullock See, I have trouble with that. When you describe the way your bike sounds and how you can carry on a conversation standing next to it...I have visions of you standing next to something that sounds like a sewing machine. No offense, but that's not how a motorcycle should sound to me.
You're better off adopting changes in your lighting. Trains are much louder than motorcycles, and the railroad industry solved most of their accident problems by the introduction of the mars light, not by making the train louder. I'm still using a 4 blink per second device in my headlight during daytime riding. It automatically triggers the human mind's attention. With no additional noise, and not riding like an idiot, no cop has stopped me in last 30 years. I've been riding now for 40 years.
Makes sense. This is not legal in all countries though, unfortunately
D.E.B. B good point , rider
Sensimilla Obsessions headlight deal noticed by guy coming towards you, good idea. Tail light deal noticed by guy behind you, good idea . loud pipes, noticed by EVERYONE ! not a good idea. better to be seen , not heard, there are plenty of those morons
Uh, the headlight modulators which blink high beams are used IN THE DAYTIME to get other driver's automatic attention; it happens without thinking, your eyes are drawn to it. That's why the it blinks so fast.. Nobody's getting blinded.
very true !! i had a blinking red light on top of my front wheel and one on my plate all was well didnt have as many close calls. unfortunately last year i was pulled over and told i could not have the lights as im a distraction to other drivers.. even after i explained why i needed to have those light and how i was trying to make my riding safer i was given a ticket and told to remove..... bunch of bullshit if i ever die on my motorcycle im having an invitation for my funeral sent to that cop, kept his name and badge number.
It's to insure those *"idiots in cages"* know we're there!
I won't hear you in my car while listening to the car stereo anyway regardless,so quit stayin in the blind spot.
Wayne Rowe agreed. Loud pipes do not save lives. Loud colors and high visibility does.
What's the first thing the car driver says after hitting a bike? "I didn't even see him!". Or"He came outta nowhere!".
No... The cager just didn't notice the motorcycle.
Buy a car. It is far more useful. Can be used to carry many goods from one place to another. That noise does not make up for any usefulness, just a lack of self esteem.
Kyn Chan I don't think you know why people choose to ride motorcycles, or that not all motorcycles are loud, obnoxious Harley Davidson types.
@@kynchan3332 My Harley is also my grocery getter.....and gets three times the fuel economy as my car does.....and is a hell of a lot more fun.
You didn’t explain why their so loud, just the decibel system and society hating it
4:19
@@nuclearwinter21 oohhhh that still didn’t explain why. -_-
@@rockerboxghoul9560, Then, watch this:
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"I need to ride around, wearing a leather vest, open face helmet and sunglasses, making enough noise to wake up small children two blocks away. If I don't show off how little of a fuck i give about how people perceive me, then how can I be sure they'll even notice me? Also, I love to imagine that they think I'm super dangerous and that I have a massive dick. That gives me the necessary confidence boost I need to hang around other burly bald men without feeling like I'm a giant, unintelligent cliche. Also, the vibrations tickle my butt hole, which I love, but which also unsettles me."
- What I imagine goes through the head of every Harley rider that goes by my building.
LMAOOOOO. I'M WEAK 💀💀💀💀 it's true though 😭
PS: I absolutely MUST wear Harley: shirts, pants, boots, shoes ,gloves , sunglasses, cologne, underwear, dewrags, watches , jewelry ,hats , and any other bullshit they market to show everybody I'm a biker, even when I drive my mint 1975 AMC Pacer.
Wow... your jealousy is sickening.
+Biker Tramp well judging by your other comment, I assume you're a Harley rider of course. Get a real bike
Teh StyLz --- You must be joking... I have been riding Harley's longer than you have been alive, so fuck off...
As someone who has been rear ended while on a motorcycle and would've been killed had I not been wearing a helmet (seriously, my helmet was destroyed, split near in half. I don't even wanna think what would've happened to my head) I feel uniquely qualified to comment on this.
My bike didn't have extraordinarily loud pipes, but they were loud enough that I got the occasional complaint (they were stock on a Suzuki cruiser, so any replacement would have probably been louder). The guy who hit me had to have heard them, but he still hit me. People who don't watch for motorcycles aren't going to register hearing one till it's too late. That's why seasoned riders are always looking out for the idiot who's about to kill them (and there's always at least one). I don't believe that loud pipes save lives. Nor do I relish the thought of more hearing loss than I've already inflicted upon myself as a less-than-wise young man.
Completely agree. Rather than loud pipes (which have the added problem of annoying the neighbors if I decide to set off in the early hours for an all day ride out), I have fitted an air horn. Not measured it yet, but pretty sure it is in excess of 100dB, and will always gain more attention than my engine.
With that said, I ride like I have a target on my helmet, and everybody else is driving with their eyes closed. The number of cagers I have avoided over the past 15 odd years is disappointingly high. On the other hand, life on a bike undoubtedly makes for a better car/truck driver...
thankyou
I disagree. The noise is a passive feature. When I filter with a stock exhaust bike vs an aftermarket one I can see the difference in car behaviour. It's important to ride defensively and wear protective gear too.
Harley Davidson motorcycles with factory exhausts actually sound good and have a deep mellow sound which is not annoying to the ears and loud enough to be heard by motorists.
After market ( illegal exhausts ) are another matter , and are far too loud !
Riding correctly and obeying traffic laws will do a lot more toward a safe ride from a to b , than knocked out baffles with a length of re-bar, or an aftermarket exhaust exceeding more than 130 decibels in some cases .
I've owned 16 motorcycles, the last three have been Harleys and I leave the stock mufflers on. When others run without mufflers their Harleys may sound fast, but the truth is they gain very little power by running without mufflers. Some say loud pipes save lives. I laugh at this because even when others run their Harleys without mufflers you can barely hear them coming. It is after they pass you when you hear all the noise. I guess if they were to run backwards down the highway it might frighten deer off the roadway.
I ride, but not a harley. I can tell you right now that im getting a loud muffler because im tired of drivers not seeing me and cutting me off.
Great idea, to give it a chance at being effective you are going to need to point your exhaust straight out in front of your bike. If you use some flexible tubing you might be able to run it between the front forks so you don't inhibit turning.
+r. decline haha!
Someone who gets it! Best comment thus far!
you are an idiot. there is zero evidence loud exhaust saves lives. on the contrary. exhaust noise is non directional and 75 % of you losers crash by striking a vehicle not by the vehicle striking you. dickwad.
+r. decline lol good answet.
what is an "answet"?
I live on a state highway and every morning for the past two years around 3am some fucker on a ninja passes in front of my house at over 100mph, then comes back within 20 minutes. As my head faces the road and is in front of a large window, it sounds like he is in my room. When I finally get back to sleep, I invariably end up dreaming/fantasizing about him hitting an animal or some big rocks in the road . I hate him for making me hate him.
rummy98 why by a house along a highway if you can't deal with road noise? That's like people who by houses by drag strips then petition the city to put noise restrictions on the race events.
Likewise I hate dogs that bark for no reason and wake me up. At least a bike has a function in life. I don't mean to laugh at your pain but your story is funny.
That's not nice. You want to end someones life for shaking your tree? I probably say the same thing about barking dog owners.
Do you ever get big rigs that engine break by your house as well? Also not a Harley rider you are complaining about. I think Harley riders would have some respect for peoples sleep at 3 a.m. Because majority of Harley riders are blue collar and like sleep I hear.
Harley's don't cost that much to begin with since they were last made in the 60's. If I were to make my own line of bikes people would buy them. But I would probably end up like Harley 20 years down the road. My suggestion. If a certain year tickles your funny bone just right. Go for that year.
The most dangerous motorcycle is a quiet motorcycle. The Karens complaining about loud motorcycles are the same Karens who pull out in front of or merge into motorcycles because they're too busy calling the cops to complain about excessive smoke coming from the barbecue at the park. Loud motorcycles save lives.
This comment needs to blow up!
Reminds me of something I learned at my first job - the most dangerous knife is a blunt knife.
The most dangerous motorcycle is one with a rider. Motorcyclists cause most motorcycle deaths, not other drivers
Loud motorcycles drive me crazy. Especially when they rev the crap out of their bike in a residential area where people just want to enjoy their backyards
Lol. Harley guys preaching about safety is Hilarious. Not one of them wearing a helmet as they weave through traffic going 20 over the speed limit. It all boils down to micro penis syndrome
"Why are HDs so loud." Im not gonna tell you, Im just gonna whine about it. And, I take it he's never heard a sport/supersport with a full exhaust, they are quite loud, if not, sometimes louder.
More annoying that’s for sure
I don't understand why motorcyclists always need to compare their antisocial behaviour to other antisocial behaviour as it that somehow rectifies it. Yes, you are an asshole if you produce the sound of a helicopter taking off in a residential area when there is no need for it. It doesn't matter what machine you use, you are an asshole in any case.
@H H actually I LOVE the sound of a uh1 Huey helicopter and it would be a privilege to hear one anywhere at anytime ! Lol so im 100% supporting your reaction to all these complainers .
They're loud because HD riders are shit cunts with no respect for the general public.
@@opiumtrailz the general public are a group of brain dead animals that don’t respect themselves half the time.
"..warning that straight pipes can lower horsepower..."
Lol, as if Harley riders give a crap about horsepower. If they did, they'd buy a sport bike.
Before all the fanboys get riled up, there's a 2004 Heritage Softail in my garage.
Or just any bike with a similar engine displacement. I actually think that when Harley decided to make bikes "powerful enough" they were on the right track, at least for what Harleys are designed for.
@@BillyJoe1305 or a cheaper more reliable bike with half the displacement and equal or greater power.
yep
You can get much more HP out of a new Harley they all have some hidden HP waiting to be opened up
all these people complaining how they hate loud pipes.
yet, they'll go through the neighborhood with their "vtec" and fart exhaust, while blaring hip hop over their broken subwoofers.
Nope. Loud exhaust is bad on every vehicle. Quite is good.
*****
You've heard twin turbo V6 indie cars right?
What about Nascar?
I'm pretty sure there's a few exceptions
I don't know of a lot of people running tiny cars with big exhausts, and know literally none that do have that kind of car that complain about loud pipes. Do you happen to know a lot of people like that? If so, I'd recommend addressing their hypocrisy directly.
MrPs103
They all have the same attitude. One that I don't necessarily like.
The most of them also have some sort of record.
I also don't like being involved in fisticuffs.
Eli Butterfield Nah let's face it, ricers are just as immature
Loud engines save lives? Sheeyit. I can't hear a police siren, ambulance siren, or even my smoke detector in my house with one of those noisy machines nearby.
Crotch Rockets are loud also but nobody says anything. Only about Harley. And drag pipes you LOSE low and mid range power they are just for sound. Best performance and loud sound is a 2 into 1 pipe
2 into 1? Why would you want that restriction?
They (H-Ds) aren't loud unless one makes them loud. All bikes can be made to be loud with an exhaust change. I know, captain obvious, but surprisingly some people don't know this.
That is a good point as a Brand new H-D comes with pretty quiet pipes. So it isn't the manufacturer that make them loud. We do.
People do this shit with their riced out economy cars too, all it does it make the car sound like mechanical diarrhea. I never understood why people think it's cool for your car to sound like trash. The best engine sound is the way the manufacturer intended it to sound.
Harleys have a different loudness it's a lot deeper
warhawkjah people make bikes loud so people can fucking hear and hopefully see them...
Then smaller bikes need to be even louder? And why have a horn then?
5:10 I'm not sure where you got those statistics, they might be true, however, that's only accounting for fatal crash statistics, where as if you look at the statistics for all motorcycle crashes, the car was at fault 80% of the time. And, as you might have guessed it, the number one reason for motorcycle crashes is that the car claimed to not have seen the motorcyclist. So yes anything that can draw attention to the motorcyclist, whether it be loud pipes, turning brights on, or having high vis gear, can and will reduce the chances of an accident. Loud pipes save lives.
He stated plainly that he got the stats from a 2007 report by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, at 5:18. Short attention span? Just answer me one question - would your final statement there make a difference if the loud pipes weren't also considered a defiant gesture to the civilization the biker lives in?
puncheex2
I do realize what Simon had stated, very clearly, but having read the report as both you and Simon should have done, I can't grasp how he can make the claims that motorcyclists are at fault the majority of the time.
To start off with, the report in no way ever claims who is responsible, but does go into related driving factors, and who of the two vehicles struck the other vehicle. At 5:33 Simon claims that 75% of all motorcyclists are deemed responsible, and having gone over the report I can only conclude he was referring to this statement from the report,
In two-vehicle crashes between a motorcycle and a passenger vehicle in 2005, in 1,334
(74%) of the crashes the motorcycle was recorded as the striking vehicle, compared to
470 (26%) of crashes where the passenger vehicle was recorded as the striking vehicle.
This indicates that of the two-vehicle crash between a motorcycle and a passenger vehicle,
nearly three-fourths of the time the motorcycle is the striking vehicle.
On page 21 figure 3.2.6,
However, literally right below that paragraph the report makes this statement:
Note: “Striking” in the above paragraph does not imply fault but only describes the relationship
of the vehicles in the crash as recorded by police.
Now if you or Simon actually read the report, maybe you guys would have been I little more careful to make claims and done more homework before making a statement. Simon attempts to make this claim citing only one source that relates to his claim being the NHTSA 2007 report, all other sources are either; noise ordinance laws, which do not apply to the claim that motorcyclists are more at fault in a crash, or news and blog articles, which have no scientific proof of the claim, and are more or less just people complaining that everyone is too loud. This article in his sources, www.noiseoff.org/motorcycles.php , was definitely interesting in that in the summary section, paragraph 7, is worded a lot like the statement Simon made.
Now let's dig a little deeper into this report shall we. On page 29-30 section 3.2.16 Driver-Related Factors, we have all factors that were a contributing factor to the crash but does not imply fault, however in this section from the report,
Failure to yield right of way was a related factor in the crash for 4 percent of the motorcycle operators compared to 35 percent for passenger vehicle drivers in the crash. This indicates that in two-vehicle
crashes involving a motorcycle and a passenger vehicle, more than one-third of the related
factors for the passenger vehicle driver were not yielding right-of-way to the motorcycle
operator.
we can start making assertions based on the data. One being that, of all the data, the above statement is mainly where the "Loud pipes saves lives" argument comes into play. Being that 1/3 (630 fatalities) of all fatal crashes of motorcyclists with one or more vehicle, passenger vehicles fail to give the right of way to the motorcyclist, being louder and more noticeable would have been a contributing factor of whether or not the crash could have been avoided. So, going out with loud pipes (or anything that draws attention to yourself) potentially reduces 1/3 of your risk of dying. So I still fail to see why your argument that loud pipes does not saves lives is even a valid claim.
"would your final statement there make a difference if the loud pipes weren't also considered a defiant gesture to the civilization the biker lives in?", you ask, the simple answer is no, it makes no difference to me since it does not apply to my reasoning or morals on this topic. However, I will say that asking me this is equivalent to asking someone who owns a gun, "Does your thoughts on owning a gun change knowing criminals own guns too?" and makes no sense in the context. Finally, I have no idea as to why you worded that statement as you did, when you could have just said rebel or degenerate, instead of wording it in such a way as to be cryptic, probably to either a.) assume that the person you are targeting is of lower intelligence than you and want to confuse and trip them up or b.) appear to be of higher intelligence than you are and impress your peers. I assume it's b.) but that's just my opinion, if so, take my advise and next time ACTUALLY READ THE FUCKING REPORT!
It will never happen. The low rumble of a Harley is the best sound ever!
I've always ridden crotch rockets and finally got a v twin and I get it, so awesome with the vibration and roaring sound of the engine, now I'm hooked.
Fully agree
@@nathanielsexton7337 Same here. I had hyabusas and a zx14 for most of my riding life. I've had plenty fun on them but I have way more fun just crusing on a Harley.
You 4 must hate the south park episode "The F word"
@@tony1954 Probably not. I love south park.
the sooner LOUD motorcycles are gone the better
Fuck that.I don't believe that shit at all.because you're probably not a group rider.Also, that's the reason why we do it sometimes.Is because of people like you leftist.Don't care, what you say gonna protest your loud truck then, or rice-burner engine then.
Don't care
@@rickhardrollmitchell602 clearly you do care enough to want the right to annoy the fuck out of everyone around you.
Never mentioned that a Harley motor fires both cylinders at the same time, thus producing more noise. Would have been nice to see an animation of that.
Yeah I always thought that was kind of a dumb design decision
I ride a Harley in a club with over 300 members. No one I ride with rides with straight pipes. So I call bullshit on that one. Air-cooled, radial engines will be naturally louder than a similar sized water-cooled engine. The Harley engine is from a time when America kicked ass and made things happen.
That said. the majority switch out their mufflers for aftermarket brands like Reinhardt or similar. Those mufflers are louder than the OEM but are still under EPA noise limits, and most that switch do it for the same reason people swapped mufflers on muscle cars: they do it first because the bike breathes better, and better breathing equates to more efficiency, and second, they like the low base note that most aftermarket add. Almost everyone I know that has swapped out the pipes also changed the cams and air cleaner and had their bike dyno-tuned for maximum performance. Not noise. So they aren't a bunch of dweebs that don't understand what they're doing. With over 80,000 miles on my Roadking, I can attest that anyone that is depending on their mufflers to save their lives are idiots. Most of the exhaust noise is behind you. (Although it is pretty fucking awesome to hear 20 or 30 Harleys rolling down a road. Gives me chills just thinking about it.) Training, gear, and situational awareness saves lives. I have to laugh at guys that use the loud pipe argument, but then don't wear a helmet, as if the noise is some kind of protective force field. They probably text while driving, too.
A Harley touring model that hasn't been re-piped is actually pretty quiet. Several police forces use them, and don't have any issue at all with noise, so I'm gonna call bullshit on you initial point as well.
Finally, I don't disagree that there are some out there that run with obnoxiously loud exhausts. Those people are the type that don't respond well to lame-assed authoritarian fucksticks telling them what to do. Threaten with noise restrictions and they get louder. Kind of like the Original American spirit, you know, before the pussies took over.
Radial engine ? Huh ? Harleys are 45 degree V Twins. Radials used to be used in aircraft, powered by Pratt and Whitney radial engines. Do a little thinking before you post next time.
Gerald Frieberg Let me ask you this: if I cut two cylinders out of an 8 cylinder (yes, they existed) radial engine, what air cooled twin cylinder motorcyle engine awould it be very similar to? Hmm? What would be the major similarities of that and a Harley V twin? What would the cylinder angle be? Or, if I were to add, say, 6 more cylinders around the crankshaft of my v-twin, what type engine would it closely resemble? Maybe some practice in creative, lateral thinking would help you before you post next time.
EnsignSuder I think bikers should get into the gun thing. Its a great sport and then they can make all the noise they want. But I also think moderately loud pipes are acceptable, especialy when accompanied by a confederate flag.
and by the way, just so the ignorant arsehole killjoy bunny boilers of this world are aware, ANY ENGINE is loud .. if I took the pipes or mufflers off my Peugeuot 207 or Toyota Prius, IT WILL MAKE 90 < 100 dB of noise! So get a life and live the dream! and yes, I'm a parent, whose has to put babies to sleep, with dudes and me with noisy bikes... and I've not fuckin lost my hearing either... fucktards!
i feel like y'all just want the attention from the noise
I’m not sure that you should have included the pie chart....
That doesn’t offer adequate evidence for how many accidents are actually prevented because the motorcycle was heard....
Also in the single vehicle accidents, how often did the cyclist swerve to avoid an ...idiot and wreck only to have the car drive off like nothing happened. Or, have the car driver be absolved from blame because the motorcyclist “was probably being unsafe.” This happened to a person I know, btw, he was driving the car.
Turn the pipes forward, Dude
Last time I checked(when researching air compressors), a 10 dB increase is a DOUBLING of the sound emitted.
Or they just like the sound.
This guy clearly doesn't know how invisible riders are on the road.
I own one with stock pipes. The reason why we upgrade pipes is to notify the cars next to us that we are beside them. I'm 50 years old, former engineer, have ridden over 30 years. With the recent advent of portable information devices the attention span of a growing number of drivers is increasingly diminishing. Since I've nearly been clipped more than once by distracted drivers that didn't see or hear me right next to their door I've decided to upgrade the sound of my bike to hopefully reduce such instances. Stay tuned, if you don't hear back from me you will know the result of my experiment.
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Use revving or the horn. Just like a normal person who aren't stuck up their own a**hole.
Mots. BS. If you're soooo worried about being safe on the road here's a few suggestions that will enable you to be seen as much as is practicable given the various circumstances vehicle drivers find themselves in. 1. Slow down. 2. Headlight on and wear a flouro vest. 3.Don't speed between cars like an idiot. In fact don't speed at all if you're worried about an accident. 4. Allow for drivers not to see you at all times. I rode for a few years so I know they sometimes cannot see you even when their head turns to look in your direction (Windscreen side pillars). Has happened to me but I "worked it out" and avoided an accident. So, Mots, how about you back off on the noise angle ("An empty drum makes the most noise". Not complimentary.) and take a much more non-hero style approach to motorcycling, huh?
@@747fa Nah, you can take your fairy advice and shove it. Thanks.
Loud pipes saves lives
I just want to know why the hell the harley davidson shop right next to my work can have motorcycles revving loudly so that you can hear them for at least a mile in every direction whereas my car needs a bloody muffler.
Same laws apply, most remove their pipes because they like the sound and a lot do it because well if you hear us while driving then you know we're there
They are loud because unlike a car, they dont have headers and mid pipes and catalytic converters. They are usually installed with mufflers and baffles, but that's pretty much it. The sound of the engine differs from the size and shape of the engine and also an offset in pitch by the number of pistons. 2 piston engines which Harley's and most Street bikes use have a hard, abrasive, low tone sound. While sports bikes with 4 pistons have a higher pitch and consecutive sound.
Factory stock exhausts will be equipped to have the quietest efficiency, but if your a true rider you will cut those restrictions off because LOUD PIPES SAVES LIVES. In a common motorcycle accident, louder bikes will be more noticeable and easier to avoid, rather than a quiet mosquito that would be a serious hazard on the road. Removing mufflers will also increase the horse power because the amount of air being intaked by a car/motorcycle needs to come out of the engine just as much, therefore this video is a bust. Harley's are fine just the way they are.
I don't believe the calculations about decibels are correct. Yes, the scale is logarithmic, but in base 2. That means that an increase of one bel, or 10 dB, is doubling of sound. Therefore, 80 dB is *twice* as loud as 70 dB, not ten times as loud.
Bob Bell
You are both incorrect. Decibels are calculated on logarithms to the base 10. He is correct that an increase of 10 decibels is 10 times the acoustic power, but then immediately afterwards he errs by saying that it is also 10 times the sound pressure level. Power is 10*log10(x), pressure is 20*log10(x).
Bob Bell
I think you are confusing (deci)Bel with (deci)Neper, the latter of which is based on the natural logarithm, or about 2.78 if my memory serves me right.
The name Neper, by the way, is derived from Charles Napier who either "invented" or popularised the natural logarithms. (I can't be aresed to look it up) ;P
I've blundered into a discussion I do not understand. I'll take my leave now.
80 decibels is 2 times louder than 70 decibels
That is incorrect. It depends if you are measuring sound pressure or sound intensity. One is 10log(X/R), the other is 20log(X/R), where X is the measured quantity, and R is the reference (all dB measurements are ratios). 10log(X/R) implies a doubling every 3 dB. 20log(X/R) implies a doubling every 6 dB (approximately). For example, if you are talking sound power (10log calc), 83 dB is twice as loud as 80 dB... and all of this depends on distance. Standard measurement distance is one meter (metric) or 3 feet (English). Sound pressure for an omnidirectional source falls off as a spherical function (10log of the distance), so the further away you are, the lower the sound pressure. BTW, if you want to check the math, the reference pressure for air is 1 Pa.
With the stock mufflers, my Harley put out 67db. With it's current pipes, it puts out 81db. My Honda CL350 puts out 84db. Both are blown away, db wise, by the guy up the road with his Kawasaki (98db from 100ft away when going up the road.)
It's a good thing you don't know what goes through people's minds in regard to "little, scared boys who, because of their infantile nature", can't grasp the fact that making a loud noise makes them look as described above. "An empty drum (mentally challenged) makes the most noise." Where noise making motorcyclist's are concerned this saying most definitely applies.
this guy would pee his pants if someone with straight pipes hammered the throttle beside him
I have harleys hammering the throttle behind my house all the time. It sucks
I was involved in a collision which the driver of the passenger vehicle just plain didn't notice me on my little quiet 150cc bike. It caused long term damage to my left arm, multiple surgeries, hundreds of thousands of dollars (due to lack of coverage by the individual responsible), and a whole host of other problems. Fuck your statistics. If they had heard me, they would have seen me.
Personally, I'm more interested in how even a single harley makes it past any noise restrictions. In Australia The Ducati 888 actually required a new rear sprocket to pass the 60Kph driveby test. A bike by far quieter at any speed than a harley at stock.
I will also point out that most accidents blamed on bikes are the result of "He came out of nowhere." A phenomenon well known amongst even casual bikers where a driver sees them (In some cases even looks them in the eye) and the brain writes them off as not a hazard as they're smaller and less able to do damage, effectively blanking them from the brain. If you take this into consideration most bikers will tell you that any accident they were involved in was caused by a car that did not take any notice of them, and the bike had to avoid allowing the car to get off scott free.thus not being included in the survey. Bikers are aware that an accident, or moment of inattention can end their life, and while there are still accidents caused by bikers pushing to hard, quite often while having fun. I suspect that your statistics on biker caused accidents are "massaged" to fit a political narrative. Bikers are regarded as less important in many political narratives, and thus the statistics sought by many organizations that would seek such surveys, the questions asked and statistics sought regularly avoid asking the questions of who is actually at fault.
BS. I have been a motorcycle rider for a few years and I learned very quickly that drivers, even when they looked in my direction, did not see me because of the windscreen side pillars. So, Mr. motorcycle rider, how about you SLOW DOWN, STOP ACTING LIKE YOU OWN THE ROAD and take a more realistic and safe approach to motorcycling? Always wear a bright coloured safety vest, always have your headlight on, never weave in and out of cars, never speed (THIS is mandatory if you want to be "safe" on the roads.) and ALWAYS be alert that drivers may not see you because of circumstances BEYOND their control. Or be smart and drive a car. I did, after 3 falls, 2 from oil spills and one, a drunk pedestrian whose habit it was to try and commit suicide (He succeeded a bit later with a car.) and it's far safer. Common sense.
It's just marketing the mechanical equivalent of a primal scream for attention. Look at me look at me! I'm a middle-aged lawyer by day but still a badass as I wake you up at 3AM...
So instead of a loud motorcycle all you need is a 9mm to be a badass. Congratulations!
no a 9mm is for h.d. cunts ...
if i wanted to be a bad ass i would have a 44 mag
Pussy!
lol, they make mufflers for those too!
and if you watched the fake h.d. cunts for 30+ years come to daytona bike week , tow there '' made in usa '' bike behind a bmw , stick on the fake tats ,every one dressed alike with patches declaring how bad ass they are , ride drunk crashing with out helmets, packs going below the speed limit , rev their no muffler bikes at every light so people will look and them .. pissing on lawns ,going nuts when some old sagging tit hoggette flahes them.. then going home shaved , removed tats ,washed to the office like nice little cunts ,.ya then you will know h.d. riders
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It's also the size of the engines, they're large displacement and the large combustion Chambers create a throatier sound and the exhaust only echos this signature deep noise.
They made a South Park episode about this
I was thinking about the same thing !
So for anyone saying it is pointless having a loud exhaust because they only hear it once the rider has passed them, following that logic you wouldn't be able to hear ambulances or police until they were in front of you...it doesn't make sense
I ride a sports bike and don't have an crazy loud exhaust fitted, no matter which way the sirens are coming from you will still hear it, same with an exhaust, although I understand it will be louder head on, I get that people don't want to hear them around their homes and that's fair enough but it's only for a short time while starting up our bikes and pulling away then we are gone, on the road I don't see it as any inconvenience to another driver, if it is then that's your problem
that guy is an idiot
@@2wheeledseal687 agreed. I have a Harley and I don’t have it loud to be a nuisance I got new pipes when people started not noticing me in my town. Merging into my lane almost hitting me, pulling out in front ect. Got super loud pipes and so far a lot more people notice me
I don't mind loud bikes but be a half decent human being and please don't wake me up at 3am with your midlife crisis on wheels.
3am and midlife crisis? 3am I'm sleeping.
In that case I’d rev the guts out of my bike just to piss u off buddy I’d ride past and be like “your welcome have a nice day” jk dude I’d be asleep to
I'm in my early 30ies and I have fartpipes on my bike
I wanted to know how the actual engine made that unique noise, not just because it’s noisy
Its the crank degree and bore x stroke configuration
I don't ride Harley, I ride a Yamaha, but I still have to rely on the loud revs of my engine to be noticed on the road. People who don't ride bikes may think that riders rely on their sound just for fun or to attract attention, but that old saying "loud pipes save lives" is true. Motorcyclists only have a thin layer of leather beetween them and 2 ton machines on the road, and these days everyone in their cars are texting and checking their phones. Number one reason given in a 2 vehicle fatal collision involving motorcycles when it was car's driver fault: "I just didn't see them".
They'll work better if they're turned forward
Lol, yeah, I was riding down a road that was perfectly straight and level for about ten miles, as I start coming up on a cross street a woman in a fire engine red car pulls up to the stop sign, looks directly at me and pulls out. If I had simply applied my brakes I would have been a hood ornament on her car. I applied my brakes and turned the bike sideways, I stopped with my leg up against her driver side door. To add insult to injury she rolls down her window and starts yelling at me to watch where I'n going and such. Luckily I had traffic behind me who saw it all and started to yell at the women. The lesson here is don't assume a car driver see's you, sometimes they can be looking right at you but the bike just doesn't register.
Yup. Those types of people shouldn't be allowed to drive cars. They think just because their car is safe that they shouldn't have to pay attention. after all, if they kill someone, they aren't going to die. I believe in several sayings. "Look twice, save a life", "loud pipes save lives", "drive like everyone is trying to kill you", and "All the gear, all the time".
James Hardy I drive like everyone is trying to kill me every time i get on my bike. seems to have some truth behind it, seeing as I haven't been killed by one of these idiots lol
Josh Davis same... Well if im riding with a group i gotta admit sometimes i become squidward
Benjamin Wilson it happens. always will. it seems no matter how comfortable you are with the bike no matter if you've been riding it for 5 months or 5 years you'll always have moments where you get a little sloppy. I've had my electra glide for about 6 months, I like to think I've mastered it but one misstep reminds me I dont
Benjamin Wilson it happens. always will. it seems no matter how comfortable you are with the bike no matter if you've been riding it for 5 months or 5 years you'll always have moments where you get a little sloppy. I've had my electra glide for about 6 months, I like to think I've mastered it but one misstep reminds me I dont
These precious little princesses drive up and down our main road on weekends, I'm sure they get a kick out of waking everyone up.
I'm sure you can do without your two hour nap on a sunday afternoon ;)
Besides, who doesent love the sound of a harley? honestly?
Chris, please tell me where you live so that I can park in front of your home and make loud noises. Oh, I'm sorry, your mommy will probably call the police on me.
Are lawn mowers loud? how about trash garbage trucks? How come we aren't going to ban them? If you try and ban loud bikes, you have ban other loud things that make noises.
Jim Morrison if people were intentionally modifying their lawn mowers are garbage trucks so that they would be as loud as possible then I think it would be reasonable to take a look at trying to stop that practice
Cody Bratschi wouldn't that also mean you didn't get much sleep either?
I can start my VMax and ride up the street and not bother anybody.
My neighbor and his Harley will wake you from the dead and like every child who buys one of these, he makes sure that we know he has a twist handle for an accelerator.
And I can leave him revving in the dust, because he can't touch me on the low, mid or high range. I can pull a tire burning wheelie at 120, BUT.........I don't feel the NEED to.
Could it just be that Milwaukee's customers are obnoxious?
About 5% of Harleys on the road still have the factory muffler system in place. The rest have modified and much louder exhaust.
He used "powerful" and"Harley" in the same sentence lol
Team Neudimensions do you even own a bike?
to be fair they are kinds powerful in the sense that mine has a 1.7L engine
94 horsepower on a bone stock road glide pretty damn powerful considering it is somewhat of a cruising bike not made for a dumbass 20 something to kill themselves on. That is more horsepower then a lot of economy cars... Harleys also make a ton of torque that when geared the way they are make the bike pretty damn fun to ride and you don't have to wing the engine at 10000 rpm to feel it either.
They aren't an 1973 Kawasaki H2 but they were never meant to be either....it is sort of like a Rolls Royce, it makes more power then anyone ever needs and in announces it's presence as an authority.
Grieg Ragen no Greg you are wrong, and clearly you didn't look it up as I did and these are just a few examples, and yes you can up option some of them but that isn't the point... the fiat 500 makes as little as 101, Nissan versa makes 109, the Prius makes 99, the Yaris makes 106 and it wasn't until really recently as in like the last eight to 10 years that they started making these power numbers it wasn't that long ago that they made in the 70 to 80 horsepower range when you consider horsepower to weight ratio Harley-Davidson makes a ton of power for what it is and what it is designed to do. Now argue with me again TH-cam know it all.
i disagree with your conclusion that the motorcyclist is usually at fault more often then not its actually the driver of the car, they forget to check their blind spots and instead of actually looking over their shoulder before pulling out just take a quick look in their side view mirrors then pull out leaving their blind spots unchecked. every accident involving a motorcyclist except one was the fault of the driver in the car, the one time it wasnt the motorcyclist ran a red light. im not saying motorcyclists are perfect many are idiots and cause accidents but alot of the time the motorcyclist was blamed when it was the driver of the car, ive witnessed it myself.
As a one time regular motorcyclist myself, I can say I've seen all that as well, and don't even necessarily disagree with you here. (It is one of the reasons I don't ride anymore- also I broke my street bike and back then couldn't afford to fix it ;-)) Heck, as someone who used to regularly drive a little Toyota Tercel, I can say people don't see that car either. Can't tell you how many times I've nearly been run off the road driving that from people who just don't see me at all. It's almost like driving a motorcycle. I don't have that same problem in bigger cars. However, when reporting stuff on this channel, we have to rely on what (valid) studies say, regardless of our own personal opinions- everything must be backed by hard data. In this case, the data we have available says what we said in the video about the accidents.
As a corollary, I've also seen studies clearly showing big rig drivers generally being at fault in accidents. But as someone whose father drove truck for a living for many, many years (thankfully never getting in an accident in like 1-2 million miles), I can say that there were an amazing number of times people would dart in front of him in traffic and slam on their brakes.... He was leaving that gap for a reason, of course. But cars in traffic don't ever seem to grasp that.
Had he hit them (close call countless times owing to simple physics of how long it takes a fully loaded rig to stop, even at lower speeds), it would have been considered his fault for rear ending them. It would not have been his fault.
Lots of examples like this. But even so, were I to do a video touching on such a subject, I'd have to go with the hard data available or not mention it at all. And this isn't a bad thing. There are an amazing number of times where our anecdotal experiences lead us to making incorrect assumptions and conclusions. My dad was a great driver; many other truck drivers may not be or for various other reasons may be causing a lot of accidents.
Similarly, a lot of you may be great motorcycle drivers and are only thinking of the experiences where drivers don't see you and almost cause an accident (or do). But there are also an awful lot of motorcyclists who drive extremely recklessly out there. (I've seen many of those as well.) Just because it's not you, doesn't mean it's not happening. Or maybe it it's not, and the DOT is incorrect in their study. But the way to argue that is not to point out anecdotal accounts, but rather to find the flaw in their methodology and expose it. Are they counting some accidents as the motorcyclists' fault, like the motorcyclist being run out of their lane by one car, ultimately causing them to hit another car or the like? What percentages are accidents like this, if they are indeed happening and being counted against the motorcyclist? Etc.
Today I Found Out i agree with you, it just bothers me when ive seen really safe riders die because of cars and its labeled their fault, when it really wasnt, i wish i could do the research to prove if the studies are right. i have a feeling the numbers are alot lower then the say, i can also say the same about car accidents involving cyclists, however i did not mean to offend you and i hope i did not. i just happen to feel that there is a flaw with these studies, im not sure if they are just flawed by a margin but it still swings that way anyways or if it truly is more often the fault of the car. ultimately since i cant prove it i cant really debate off any hard data, i do understand where you're coming from you do have to present the facts as they are and you cant let a person bias get in the way. i apologize
my uncle drives a harley the good thing is though he is a very large man, hes about 6 foot 5 and built like a slightly over weight body builder or a wrestler hes huge and its kinda hard to not notice him but hes also been riding for like 40 years so he knows how to avoid most issues. his bike isnt very loud either it does sound rather lovely though has a nice deep sound he put custom pipes on but they arent any louder then the stock ones i find. my other uncle on the other hand is a really small guy and he used to have a small car, he upgraded to an suv for his next vehicle, but with his car ither people in cars still didnt notice him, i cant remember exactly what is was but it wasnt the tiniest car, i was always kind of surprised by how many times it seemed like people just didnt notice him.
i also understand traffic laws themselves can be flawed in many ways, but i personally think every car should have a dash cam so when accidents do happen footage can be examined, any on board computers data can be examined and the person truely at fault should be held accountable. i dont think its gonna happen any time soon but i wish it would.
i agree there are many very dangerous motorcyclists on the road, and they give a bad name to all the good ones. i understand there are terrible drivers from all walks regardless if you drive a motorcyclist a vespa a car an suv a truck whatever it is. even a cyclist can be a danger, ive seen a cyclist basically cause a head on crash as the first person swerved to avoid him darting out and then him swerving into someone elses way as they try to get out of the way the two cars hit head on thankfully they were going fairly slow by the time they connected and no injuries resulted but the person responsible rode away.
i do have to disagree with you that harley's are loud as they arent very loud stock, and any bike can be made loud any vehicle can be made loud shit my uncle knew a guy with a fucking corvette 454 in i believe a firebird and it apparently used to set off alarms shake cars, couldnt hear the person beside you in the passenger seat talking. ive also seen an electric car in my city with false exhaust system used speakers and such to make the car sound like another car. There are also sport bikes that are way louder, they sometimes sound quieter as they have a higher pitched sound more whiney vs the throaty sound of many harleys. ive tested this, my uncles bike versus my friends sports bike the sports bike is louder decibel wise but a few of those present at the time agreed my uncles sounded louder. neither bike is all that loud compared to the honda or yamaha(not sure what it is other then a cruiser) a street over or the guy up the street with his harley even the triumph down the street is louder then my uncles bike. i can assure you that 2 of those bikes do have custom pipes not sure about the triumph though, but my uncles bike also has custom pipes the two guys who have fully custom harleys with crazy ass paint and literally aftermarket everything neither of their bikes is all that loud, lol i just realized theres alot of people in my childhood neighborhood with motorcycles.
Today I Found Out lol but those people can be fun to screw around with, i usually just troll them.
Yea ive heard the iposite of this guys claim. Hes twisting the wording to get his idea to sound right. Like mentioning twice the single rider accedent stats
levi leitaker he also targets a brand of motor cycle that isnt inherently loud knowing many riders dont like harleys because of the stigma that the people who ride them are wanna be bikers and assholes and treat people on any other type of bike like shit. i know stock honda's that are louder then my uncles harley which has custom pipes. i know crotch rockets that whole being louder decibel wise sound quieter because of the pitch and tone of their engine and exhaust deeper sounds carry better then higher pitched ones
Ok. . .but why are Harley Davidson motorcycles so loud?
they dont have to be. Some of their owners make it that way because they want to compensate for something. plain and simple.
@@mattlindsayb9856 Haha, that's BS. Nothing to compensate for. It's just the thrill of hearing a machine alive.
Vance & Hines short shots are some of the best if you want to get loud. I personally use Vance & Hines Big Shots staggered. They have a crossover as well. So the gas is can crossover between the pipes. So you get both performance and sound enhancement
I just swapped a set of V&H big radius on my RK absolutely love it!
“Decibells”
I always thought it was decibles
...more cowbell!
I prefer hellsbells
They have to make the exhaust loud to cover the horrible internal engine noise and to make them sound like they have power
Well Tom, If I had to describe what their exhaust sounds like, It'd be like the sound of a *blown head gasket* ...
Actually,it's not that.A car makes more noise than a bike.If they are customized.such as rice burner motorcycles.
and shit bugs had to breed and fuck hatching out little trolls like you who dont have any business saying a goddamn word about another man's ride when you dont know a goddamn thing about them
Take a shot every time he says decibellls 😃
People don’t know you’re there unless your audible because no one pays attention on the road.
Buy a car with a seat belt if you want to be safe. Pretty simple.
I hate hearing this shit at night.
Especially when some small needle dick asshole thinks hes cool and wakes up my toddler and infant at 2-4 am.
I can say I was one of those that was ran into by a kid not looking in the dark of the morning and quickly backing out of his driveway without paying attention. If a lil more noise got his attention then maybe I wouldn't have spent months recovering from multiple torn ligaments in both knees and a nearly dislocated right knee.
That's why the smart money knows "noise" is not the real answer. (Noise is usually associated with fools and idiots that seem to have something to prove, similar to a child.). Driving a car is a better option if one understands their wellbeing and being able to walk, talk and generally live a far better life is more important. But, if one wants to persist in the riding of a motorcycle, one needs to wear a bright coloured vest, headlight always on, ride slowly along suburban streets, do not weave in and out of traffic, do not speed at any time and anticipate drivers may not see you and they, not being perfect, may make mistakes. I learned years ago.
@@747fa holy virtue signaling
South Park - The "F" word episode always comes to mind. s13e12
The EPA fined Harley Davidson 12 million Because the dealer was selling illegal exhaust parts to make it loud and it bypassed the pollution control, Yes they put out 50 times more toxic pollution when loud.
Everything I think of Harley Davidson's I can't help but think about the south Park episode on bikers && gay men lol
That's what I think about every time I see and hear them hahaha ffffaaaaaaggggg
Sometimes, when I pull up to people smiling I start doing the “brblbrlbl” and shaking violently.
Must be a child. Because what man watches cartoons. Go ride your scooter after mom makes dinner for you little boy
Every complains about Harleys because they can’t afford them. If we have to explain it, then you don’t understand. New Harleys don’t shake or leak.
@@chrisrocker1108 ' can't afford one?' 🤣🤣🤣 these are the super expensive bikes that cannot be left out in the rain because they will be rusty the next day? The type that noone steals? The type of bike that has an agricultural engine and loose tolerances? The bike that has a stereotypical homosexual type cult following? The type that turns petrol into noise heat and no power?
Oh god i am so jealous
So... not a single answer to the question "why?" Just 6 minutes of "Nobody likes how loud Harley's are."
Except for that bit about people intentionally increasing the volume of their rigs. Video should have been called "Why Harley Davidson motorcycles are usually louder than other motorcycles."
Not sure if he specifically said it but they change their exhaust pipes, the ones from the factory are not loud
I guess that was more of a how not why, alot of riders like the loudness
if you had the attention span to make it all of 1:55, he talks about it
The main reason why people do it to Harley's, is because they can.Yes, it does sound better than the" rice burner" bike's.Because we don't always rev-bomb, unless our bike isn't idling like it should.I should know, I have 10 bike's.Mostly harley, but have a hayabusa and it definitely ain't gonna sound like my favorite harley.
I didn't know Moby knew about exhaust pipes. Who would have thought?
Take a shot Everytime he says decibels
Wanna run straight pipes on your Harley without having problems with the cops? Move to Texas...
+situationmoney Easy ;)
not entirely true. DPS is known to write tickets for straight pipes.
lol Yup, in Austin u will here Harley's from a mile away
anyone who rides or know someone who rides knows how dangerous it is because most drivers dont pay enough attention. i've had people pull onto the road right in front of me because they're not looking for bikes. the noise makes sure people know we're there. a lot of riders are just being obnoxious motor heads who want attention, but the noise DOES help protect against distracted drivers
+SirGeeeO NNNNNnoo it doesn't, unless you can cite specific studies or results of studies that show motorcycle volume to be a positive attention getter, you're only spreading misinformation and rumor. Today's cars are soundproofed so well and the drivers so distracted/oblivious that any amount of sound coming from a bike is wasted energy. That's why ANY studies done in this area agree that obnoxious and ugly bright yellow gear is the only thing to help a biker out. Loud pipes are for one thing: the motorcycle owner.
Ryan McIntyre cars aren't sound proof and if the noise doesnt help then i guess those police and ambulance sirens are useless. All i'm saying is that the STOCK parts provide enough noise to help get noticed. people who customize for noise are doing it for attention, but i also hear people complaining about the noise of stock bikes
SirGeeeO
True enough about bikes. And when it comes to sirens, you're speaking my language - I've been in the field since 1999, and it's a well-understood fact (documentation for studies confirming this have been in my manuals since college, not sure if I could find it online) that sirens are basically useless. Glad you mentioned that! At 45mph/66fps you lose enough sound energy to decay and absorption and have compressed the leading soundwave enough that you essentially "outrun" your siren. Those same studies also found that 50 feet and farther away, even a 180dbA siren is under 70 in the cab of a modern auto (modern in 1999 btw) - that is the speaking volume of a human.
Summary: the extra noise does not help, motion and bright colors do. I'm not parroting opinion, only facts from people much smarter than I.
SirGeeeO
I realize I went on the reply warpath there, I just cringe when people spread the ol "loud pipes save lives" crap. I love loud exhausts, all my cars and bikes and anything else I own with an engine is loud because I like it. But I'm honest enough to know that it's not saving mine or anyone else's life.
I've been on the highway with a bike in my blind spot. Didn't see him and would have changed lanes, but I heard him. Yes, loud pipes can save lives.
Very scientific, yet quite understandable by the “man on the street” - pun intended. Pipe down, folks❗️😆
Its not the exhaust that leaves my ears ringing. It's the wind rush that does it. See, the pipes are directing all the noise backwards. I can hear myself in a normal voice when riding.
Do you all know the difference between a Harley and a Hoover?-- The position of the dirt bag...
I'm a biker - I ride customs and I've had Harleys and Honda Valkyries etc. In my experience louder pipes usually accompany power increase up to a point and after that decrease it. Straight or shot-gun pipes with no baffles make enough noise to waken the dead but normally drop the power from what would be possible with some baffeling as the engine needs some back pressure from baffles to run correctly and such pipes can cause long term engine damage. Also louder pipes i.e. freer flowing ones usually accompany carb i.e. fuelling mods and sometimes cams, timing gear etc. But a quiet but extremely powerful engine is still possible, for example the Suzuki Hyubusa which has terrifying power compared to stock Harleys. Harleys are a V-twin design with linage back to the 1930's and while modern ones are stuffed with computers they are an old-fashioned engine design compared to multie cylinder designs. A nice tone is preferable to sheer volume and personal experience says loud pipes are not pleasant to live with at all. But the bottom line is that many Harley owners would fit loud pipes even if the power dropped substantially as it is all about presence and intimidation of other road users and pedestrians. South Park summed it up best in 'Southpark Harley Fags pt2'.
You missed a LOT of the reasons H-D bikes are loud. The exhaust is just one component, and if you've ever heard a Road King with factory pipes, you'll note that the exhaust isn't the noisy part. The bikes being air cooled, having small air filter boxes, and the big one, *the firing order*, have a lot to do with the reason they're so noisy.
I like the sound of a Harley (stock)
When Harleys come out of factory they sound like a fart in baggy trousers.
I choked on my spaghetti just now XDDDDDDD
Jasper Rasper at least it is a silent fart😄
Jasper Rasper they still do after they're modified
Jasper Rasper stock pipes sick for the most part. usually you can cut the baffles or take them out and get a better noise
Thus mimicking their customer base.
Loader sounds draw attention. They said loud pipes save lives comes from that phenomenon: the most common thing car drivers say after an accident is: SMIDSY (Sorry mate I didn't see you).
I do advanced training, ride defensively wear full protective gear, high vis stuff and have an aftermarket exhaust.
according to a more /Recent/ study most motorcycle accidents with other vehicles are rear end collisions due to bikes being stopped in traffic and not allowed to split lanes
You picked some weird colors for that pie chart
Bias DB readings! You Cant take a Wide open Throttle Peak DB measurement and Compare it to 20% Engine load of a F450. You Ever heard a Stock F450 Under full boost? They are louder then Stock Harleys under WOT.... Thats ( Wide Open Throttle)
Gladius Jon exactly
That is true of all stock exhaust system motorcycles. A very large percentage of motorcycles have modified exhaust systems that are louder.
Gladius Jon lol, you wish
Not only harley had loud pipes.
But sry for saying. But why not critique a modified skyline or evo 10. Who make a sound exhaust of 999999 mega db.
Loud pipes save lives.
Oper your eyes in the side mirrors and we dont need a loud pipe.
Continue closing your eyes and ears and keep crashing us and we will get a cannon in stead of pipes.
I can barrley hear my exhaust while riding and so do my friends.
And yes a long term exposure will damage.
But 10 sec till we pass the bystanders will do no harm.
Don cry. Respect and get respected.
2 wheels are always judged.
Pace✌️✌️
you know, they probably won't do much good if they still can't see your ass. They might know you're there but that's not doing shit when your leather fetish-mobile is in someone's blindspot.
People sometimes pull out in front of motorcycles because they have a harder time evaluating their approaching speed and then suddenly realize the motorcyclist is not going as fast as they assumed, get frustrated and pull out, but by then it's a dangerous move.
Its not just Harley's. My wifes Honda VTX1300 is as loud as any HD Ive heard. Its the exhaust.
I hear something along the lines of: " harleys are good at turning gasoline into noise, without the byproduct of power." Not sure how that factors..
hell yeah
So... I just beat an M5 to 110 2 days ago. Good enough for me.
No attention growing up...this is compensation.
Loud pipes save lives that's why you hear a bike you look for the bike you see it and you are aware of it before you see it
Edit: at 5:15 you mentioned that most collisions where caused by the biker you do have to remember that to obtain a license to ride there are further tests you must undergo to be able to ride, furthermore two of the most common reason for car collisions in America are texting and driving and DUIs a lot of bikers have been killed as a result of less protection than a closed off vehicle, as a direct result some bikers will have patches that say things such as 'loud pipes save lives' 'texting kills bikers' or others.
It's because the adolescent jerks who usually ride them have have "look at me syndrom." They sound good from the factory. ( although they still tend to be fly apart junk.)
Did he just say loud, *powerful* motorcycles are signature to this brand? He's kidding, right?
all 60hp out of a 1200cc lol
64hp. Get it right! That's almost 10% of that motor you're dulling down. Lmao!
Cameron Lapha harley are heavy and slow lol and i thought my zx7r was heavy and slow
I'm two minutes in. Say "decibel" one more time. I dare you.
+Qui Quae Quod DECIBEL.
+Today I Found Out Oooo! Now you've done it.
@@quiquaequod322 i take it you ride huh
Why are they so loud? Merica....that's why. Enough said.
The other thing about (most) Harleys is they're air cooled, so there's no water jacket to quieten the mechanical noise; even with perfect mufflers the cams, pushrods and valvegear sounds like skeletons shagging on a tin roof.
Loud: yes - powerful: no
Wrong. They can be powerful.
You doing it all wrong then. Get it dyno tuned.
@Tony in Tasmania Its all in what you want to do with your money.
Aaaaah another power ranger. Can’t wait to see you splattered on a windscreen 😊
Ride a Vrod.