According to the animator, the alternative scenarios are just things he animated that he asked to put into the video. "I asked DJ If we could do those, as an excuse to animate stuff I didn't get to animate in the fight itself because it was not a thing at the time of the animation production"
Characterization of Bowser caring for his minions is fantastic Holds them in place to protect them from infinite Gets the classic "dad power boost" when jr gets hurt Stands in front of the SUPER DEATH LAZER to protect his minions
That’s a big reason why he won. Eggman is the leader of his army. He doesn’t have loyalty or a big command chain like bowser. If bowser goes down he has MULTIPLE weaker people who can take his place. And he’s their trump card.
It's Canon, In New Super Mario Bros DS, in the final fight against Bowser & Bowser Jr. If you beat Bowser Jr first Bowsers becomes harder to beat. (All though it's just that his fire breath gets a little harder to dodge.)
So for context on Solaris, Sonic could beat the god alone, but due to the nature of Solaris himself, the three super hedgehogs had to individually beat him at three different points in time (one in past, one in the present, and the last in the future).
4:56 He favors physical brawn and Fire breath but a has been a dark magic sorcerer since day 1. The Super Mario Bros Manual proves it. Regardless he has had plenty of magic across the entire series.
While I understand wishing someone from existence is OP and Eggman didn't really have a counter, it's not an end-all be-all, sonic also had the ability to wish anything from existence and still lost to Wally
The main issue with that comparison is wally. DC is even more busted, wally can literally will himself back into existence through the speed force, or flat out outrun or overpower the wish lol Plus like you said, eggman doesnt have a counter for this. His tech doesn't do the best against magic fighter, let alone one on bowsers level
@blitz4779 I know, I was just pointing it out because he kept bringing it up lol, just saying that there are characters out there where being able to wish for anything wouldn't affect them
No, its canon. Otherworldly Comedies are canon to the Sonic franchise and games, but unfortunately Eggman has to take down the magic users immediately before they steal his macguffins
Yessss I was WAITING for you to react to this. The animation and music I felt would be right up your alley lol EDIT: 17:54 Well yeah, don't you know? Science IS magic. Genuinely. Science literally allows humans to access things they would normally have no business being able to do. Flight, fast travel, heating and generation of electricity. Science is just magic with math. I've been saying that all my life XD
The metal zombies is a comic line made by IDW genuinely Darnell read it it is genuinely amazing also Jim Carrey going Super Eggman would literally just be him going back to his days as the mask
SEGA vs Nintendo is one of the highlights of the video game part of my life, so that with the animation, the background music, and the info on Bowser and Eggman that is straight up new to me makes this in my top 3 favorite death battles.
Wish you from existence quote is kind of covered in the alternate scenarios. Dreamy Bowser and Star Rod Bowser were used in the small pictures. They just used other methods in the Death Battle itself
Btw man, Infinite is supposed to be broken, yet he got beat by a thwomp 💀; he's actually washed man Fr tho, amazing reaction as always; I hope you're doing well
Yup. Not to mention, compared to King Boo, Infinite IS a fraud. His laughing wasn't strictly at the Koopa Troops misery, its more how silly it was they fell victim to what he saw as nothing more than a mere pretender, and befitting his Trickster personality, he had to go for the ironic kill.
It's even funnier cause he was using his power to increase the gravity to crush Bowser's army, so King Boo used a thwomp so the increased gravity made it more deadly.
Bowsers brother is just some weird blue version of Bowser from The Lost Levels, he doesn't sbow up in any other games and a common theory is thst he's dead
When it comes to death battle for this one I'm choosing King Bowser because Mario is a true op broken game just like all the other games too I would basically call these a tie because both King Bowser and Eggman both have powers and abilities to destroy the universe so I basically call this a tie but Bowser is the winner 🥇 fire 🔥
33:04 While I do think Bowser was genuinely gonna take this I call BS thinking one grand star out scaled the Chaos emeralds but I guess they had a point when mentioning how much more plentiful they are
aunque bowser pueda desaparecer alguien de la existencia, no puede hacerlo facilmente si este tiene buen nivel de poder o inmunidad a magia avanzada como mario, pero aunque seas igual de poderoso puede arrastrarte por dimensiones y poner trampas o hacer bucles etc
Sucks they basically used the most OP composite Bowser snd never touched the Archie comics for Eggman. They did the IDW, sure, but if you're gonna use the comics why not go all in? The Super Genesis Wave would be enough to match all of Bowser's Hax and then some.
@Guzana69 Apparently not because "Yoshi can destroy star clusters" despite that obviously being a joke feat and Yoshi not actually destroying any stars. The guy Yoshi best just exploded into stars. It was such a a weird wank feat
@david_cool427YT "Stop crying" you're the one getting offended over me bringing up Archie dude. Also, the IDW comics aren't canon either but they used those lol
@@david_cool427YT 1. All I remember saying is it's based on the game series and takes place after forces, not that it's directly controbuting to the game continuity. 2. Eggman is far from my favorite character and I've played more Mario than Sonic 3. You're "calling me out on my BS" for just suggesting they use Archie Eggman? And you're saying you aren't offended? If you weren't you wouldn't be getting this needlessly aggressive over a suggestion dude.
Things that Eggman had for straight up wins- 1. Infinite: Straight up stated by Eggman and Sega themselves to be thousands to millions of times more powerful than any villain of the past, which would include beings like Erazor Djinn who was powerful enough to destroy hundreds to thousands of worlds, The Timer Eater which turned all of time and space to nothing and was consuming all universes, and Solaris who was so powerful that his mere presence instantly destroyed the whole universe on a spacetime level and this dude was going to consume every single universe, timeline, dimension, and reality throughout all of existence. Infinite is straight up 1,000 to a MILLION TIMES MORE POWERFUL than a God that was going to reduce the entire Sonic FRANCHISE into nothing. Also, Death Battle themselves admitted Solaris was superior to ANYTHING Bowser could pull out with or without his army. 2. Metal Sonic: Powerful enough to keep up with and even beat down Sonic and his friends to the point Sonic himself gets stressed and nervous any time Metal shows up to fight, not to mention his CopyCat system which can actively copy anything he sees (potentially even Bowser's own magic), and his Neo form which is supremely more powerful, alongside his Metal Overlord form which was so powerful even Super Sonic, Super Knuckles, and Super Tails thought he was invincible, add on the Master Emerald and Chaos Emeralds and he's easily one of the strongest things in general in this fight regardless of sides, he clears. 3. Sage: The most tactical and intelligent person in this whole fight regardless of sides besides MAYBE Eggman himself but I doubt even he beats her out. Sage may not be the most powerful, but her mind is one of the most powerful things in this fight regardless of sides, her tac and intelligence alone make her one of the most dangerous things in this battle. If she got the Phantom Ruby, she would potentially be the single most powerful and intelligent thing here. And besides all that, Eggman has so many things that just gap Bowser in power, the King Koopa may have a ludacris amount of things at his disposal, but the Doctor is an Egg he just can't crack with how much more raw power Ivo has over Bowser. Metal could blitz through Bowser's whole army on his own, Infinite could handle any of Bowser's big players (the ruby also controls actual reality the whole illusion thing isn't true despite what Tails says in Forces), Sage could coordinate and plan beyond Bowser's ability to keep up, and Eggman just has more power than even Bowser's sea of items and magical tricks can deal with. Again, The King may have an ocean of tricks, but in the end, The Egg wasn't the one to crack.
1: infinite might be said to be so much more powerful, but since his feats didnt back that up, its obviously not true. 2: they adressed that, Kamek could stop his power copying, and also simply steal anything he might use to power up, like the chaos emeralds 3: Sage had miscalculated things before (as they point out in the explaination) and no matter how smart you are, there is no preperation in a death battle. Even if she could think of something to defeat Bowser (wich is unlikely to begin with) good luck executing it in the middle of battle, especially with Eggmans bad leadership. Its also weird how to you, the statement that infinite is thousands of times more powerful then anything before is obviously true, but the statement that the ruby makes illusions is obviously false. Take a good look at the battle and especially the bits where they analyse the powers of everyone, and you will see that everything you have said has been adressed, and overpowered by bowser and his minions
@Triforce4ever 1. You're really just gonna disregard Infinite being so powerful just cause, what? We didn't see him pull another Franchise wipe? Or him destroying all of history? Bro we can't just keep having all of existence get murdered just to make people like you believe it to be true, especially when both the irl authors and in universe Eggman straight up state it clearly. 2. They seemed to only be using abilities once, and pretty simple fix, just take out Kamek, also it doesn't particularly matter when Super Neo Metal should be powerful enough to solo Bowser's whole team, and I highly doubt Kamek somehow would have the power to steal the chaos emeralds when he's never been shown to be anywhere close to Super form tier, much less Super Neo. 3. Sage didn't miscalculate,, its pretty set that Sonic isn't bound by fate or destiny, it's not that her calculations were wrong, it's that calculations just don't work with Sonic, he is a variable you can't pin certain loss on, which is something Bowser doesn't have. Again, Infinite solos, Super Neo Metal solos, quantity in abilities may get Bowser pretty far, but it can't do much when Eggman's quality is just so much higher than anything Bowser or Kamek or Jr could pull out. They actively lied and lowballed Eggman's goons as much as possible while giving Bowser everything they could, they rigged the fight to have Eggman lose, but that's not surprising when they barely if ever actually scale Sonic characters properly.
@@mastermalice4705 Sonic struggled at least somewhat against all of those previous enemies who are supposedly thousands of times weaker then infinite. yet its still believable that he can fight infinite? that makes no sense. If the creator says one thing, but shows something completly different in his creation, then what actually happened is a more trustworthy source. Show Infinite be that impressive as the creator claims, and then you might have a point. But at the moment, he is all hype and not much else compared to the rest of Eggmans lineup. Also, dont forget that the fight in the video is simply a visual representation of the outcome, not the definitive thing that would happen. You believing what Kamek can or cant do means nothing, he has shown to be capable of teleporting items away from people regardless of their power, so thats what he can do, there is even a fairly reasonable argument to be made that he can prevent metal sonic from transforming into stronger forms. No lies, no lowballing, just you not being willing to accept that things arent like you believe them to be
i said this on another video, but i gotta comment it again: realistically, eggman should have won 😭 they left out sooo much stuff like metal sonic's copy ability, metal overlord, also nerfing infinite, and SO MUCH MORE!! they also gave bowser items that he shouldn't have access to anymore, as well as removing the bowser's item's limits, causing eggman to have an unfair disadvantage. i don't think they have a bias though! i just believe they got some incorrect information. this was still my favorite episode of death battle, the animation was super clean and good altogether!!
i wanna add that they mentioned metal sonic's copy ability, but they never used it. most of what they said bowser would counter would not have been able to be countered by anything bowser had!
According to the animator, the alternative scenarios are just things he animated that he asked to put into the video. "I asked DJ If we could do those, as an excuse to animate stuff I didn't get to animate in the fight itself because it was not a thing at the time of the animation production"
Characterization of Bowser caring for his minions is fantastic
Holds them in place to protect them from infinite
Gets the classic "dad power boost" when jr gets hurt
Stands in front of the SUPER DEATH LAZER to protect his minions
he's the KING FOR A REASON
That’s a big reason why he won.
Eggman is the leader of his army. He doesn’t have loyalty or a big command chain like bowser.
If bowser goes down he has MULTIPLE weaker people who can take his place.
And he’s their trump card.
It's Canon, In New Super Mario Bros DS, in the final fight against Bowser & Bowser Jr. If you beat Bowser Jr first Bowsers becomes harder to beat. (All though it's just that his fire breath gets a little harder to dodge.)
See people be forgetting that bowser was literally RAISED by a evil wizard, ofc he got crazy magic
The song is called Game Over by Brandon Yates, with the guy that sang bury the light from DMC 5
No wonder it sounds so good
His name is Victor borba btw
Bowser may have conquered the universe but has he pissed on the moon while cussing out Obama
Hey didn't I see you comment this on WhatItDoDave?
I mean you're right, it's just funny
I also watch both XD
@@ValianceGames same
Thanks for the snapcube reference lol
At least he doesn't have a wife for Shadow to piss on.
So for context on Solaris, Sonic could beat the god alone, but due to the nature of Solaris himself, the three super hedgehogs had to individually beat him at three different points in time (one in past, one in the present, and the last in the future).
Don't forget they had to erase him from the timeline too
@kaimattermanipulation8585 yeah, and due to how tough his body was, they had to utilize mental attacks.
@@Magma-Idiot-2001 Actually they had to attack Solaris' Core
my favorite battle so far
4:56 He favors physical brawn and Fire breath but a has been a dark magic sorcerer since day 1. The Super Mario Bros Manual proves it. Regardless he has had plenty of magic across the entire series.
While I understand wishing someone from existence is OP and Eggman didn't really have a counter, it's not an end-all be-all, sonic also had the ability to wish anything from existence and still lost to Wally
The main issue with that comparison is wally. DC is even more busted, wally can literally will himself back into existence through the speed force, or flat out outrun or overpower the wish lol
Plus like you said, eggman doesnt have a counter for this. His tech doesn't do the best against magic fighter, let alone one on bowsers level
@blitz4779 I know, I was just pointing it out because he kept bringing it up lol, just saying that there are characters out there where being able to wish for anything wouldn't affect them
@@grimrobin696 tbf it is a very powerful ability and on the rarer side for characters to have, especially for video game characters like bowser
@@blitz4779 yeah I can't believe nintendo made their characters so op like gah damn 😭
@@freshjoonyuh bowser is just built like that
Super Eggman wasn't actually canon, it was just an official artwork made for fun - but it's definitely a possibility now and that is how he'd look.
No, its canon. Otherworldly Comedies are canon to the Sonic franchise and games, but unfortunately Eggman has to take down the magic users immediately before they steal his macguffins
Yessss I was WAITING for you to react to this. The animation and music I felt would be right up your alley lol
EDIT: 17:54 Well yeah, don't you know? Science IS magic. Genuinely. Science literally allows humans to access things they would normally have no business being able to do. Flight, fast travel, heating and generation of electricity.
Science is just magic with math. I've been saying that all my life XD
Lowkey wish Kamek had stolen Metal Sonic instead of the Phantom Ruby, it would've been so funny
"Team Autobalance"
The metal zombies is a comic line made by IDW genuinely Darnell read it it is genuinely amazing also Jim Carrey going Super Eggman would literally just be him going back to his days as the mask
“Shadow’s character assassination” the plot line
what comic is it from
@@colossaldoomyt9953it is the IDW comic company Sonic run so you'd have to look for those comics and it would start with Issue Number 8
Dude, Super Eggman saying iconic Bighead lines from the comic or even just the classic "SSSSSSSSSSSMOKIN!" would be the best shoutout ever.
SEGA vs Nintendo is one of the highlights of the video game part of my life, so that with the animation, the background music, and the info on Bowser and Eggman that is straight up new to me makes this in my top 3 favorite death battles.
Eggman: this land will be my eggland 2
Bowser: huh? * wishes eggman out of existence for annoying him *
Wouldn't be that easy. Else there would be no Mario series. All the protags would be gone lol.
You wanna see super eggman too? A man of culture
Jim Carrey already went Super Saiyan. In the second live-action movie, no less
Don’t ask about why bowser has all his powers unless you want HOURS of summaries for MULTIPLE GAMES
Awesome!
Wish you from existence quote is kind of covered in the alternate scenarios. Dreamy Bowser and Star Rod Bowser were used in the small pictures. They just used other methods in the Death Battle itself
Can we get some icy hot for Metal. His back must be hurting carrying his team!
Btw man, Infinite is supposed to be broken, yet he got beat by a thwomp 💀; he's actually washed man
Fr tho, amazing reaction as always; I hope you're doing well
best part is that since infinite was increasing gravity to crush everything, the thwomp was perfect
@shadowthief19 oh, so he cooked himself 😭
Yup. Not to mention, compared to King Boo, Infinite IS a fraud. His laughing wasn't strictly at the Koopa Troops misery, its more how silly it was they fell victim to what he saw as nothing more than a mere pretender, and befitting his Trickster personality, he had to go for the ironic kill.
It's even funnier cause he was using his power to increase the gravity to crush Bowser's army, so King Boo used a thwomp so the increased gravity made it more deadly.
@christopherjones7196 crazy
Bowsers brother is just some weird blue version of Bowser from The Lost Levels, he doesn't sbow up in any other games and a common theory is thst he's dead
Chance time is from Mario party series yes
When it comes to death battle for this one I'm choosing King Bowser because Mario is a true op broken game just like all the other games too I would basically call these a tie because both King Bowser and Eggman both have powers and abilities to destroy the universe so I basically call this a tie but Bowser is the winner 🥇 fire 🔥
33:04 While I do think Bowser was genuinely gonna take this I call BS thinking one grand star out scaled the Chaos emeralds but I guess they had a point when mentioning how much more plentiful they are
Chaos Emeralds need a living user to maximize power output.
MØRO DID THE ANIMATION HE HAS A TH-cam
NO One Cares!
aunque bowser pueda desaparecer alguien de la existencia, no puede hacerlo facilmente si este tiene buen nivel de poder o inmunidad a magia avanzada como mario, pero aunque seas igual de poderoso puede arrastrarte por dimensiones y poner trampas o hacer bucles etc
11:29 Just wait, Eggman has equally crazy Trump cards
Eggman could have used the eggrobot from forces which had the ruby.
Correct me if I’m wrong but the dream stone CAN be destroyed
Ngl I love sonic but til the day I die I'm always gonna be on mario gang bruh 😂
Amoung us vs fall guys is dangerously close to being the dumbest deathbattle idea. But Bieber vs Friday will always be their worst video.
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Sucks they basically used the most OP composite Bowser snd never touched the Archie comics for Eggman. They did the IDW, sure, but if you're gonna use the comics why not go all in? The Super Genesis Wave would be enough to match all of Bowser's Hax and then some.
Shouldn't the death egg actually killed Bowser and his minions? Like is the death egg with the full powers of the esmeralds
@Guzana69 Apparently not because "Yoshi can destroy star clusters" despite that obviously being a joke feat and Yoshi not actually destroying any stars. The guy Yoshi best just exploded into stars. It was such a a weird wank feat
@david_cool427YT "Stop crying" you're the one getting offended over me bringing up Archie dude. Also, the IDW comics aren't canon either but they used those lol
@@david_cool427YT 1. All I remember saying is it's based on the game series and takes place after forces, not that it's directly controbuting to the game continuity.
2. Eggman is far from my favorite character and I've played more Mario than Sonic
3. You're "calling me out on my BS" for just suggesting they use Archie Eggman? And you're saying you aren't offended? If you weren't you wouldn't be getting this needlessly aggressive over a suggestion dude.
y’all both sound goofy
Things that Eggman had for straight up wins-
1. Infinite: Straight up stated by Eggman and Sega themselves to be thousands to millions of times more powerful than any villain of the past, which would include beings like Erazor Djinn who was powerful enough to destroy hundreds to thousands of worlds, The Timer Eater which turned all of time and space to nothing and was consuming all universes, and Solaris who was so powerful that his mere presence instantly destroyed the whole universe on a spacetime level and this dude was going to consume every single universe, timeline, dimension, and reality throughout all of existence. Infinite is straight up 1,000 to a MILLION TIMES MORE POWERFUL than a God that was going to reduce the entire Sonic FRANCHISE into nothing. Also, Death Battle themselves admitted Solaris was superior to ANYTHING Bowser could pull out with or without his army.
2. Metal Sonic: Powerful enough to keep up with and even beat down Sonic and his friends to the point Sonic himself gets stressed and nervous any time Metal shows up to fight, not to mention his CopyCat system which can actively copy anything he sees (potentially even Bowser's own magic), and his Neo form which is supremely more powerful, alongside his Metal Overlord form which was so powerful even Super Sonic, Super Knuckles, and Super Tails thought he was invincible, add on the Master Emerald and Chaos Emeralds and he's easily one of the strongest things in general in this fight regardless of sides, he clears.
3. Sage: The most tactical and intelligent person in this whole fight regardless of sides besides MAYBE Eggman himself but I doubt even he beats her out. Sage may not be the most powerful, but her mind is one of the most powerful things in this fight regardless of sides, her tac and intelligence alone make her one of the most dangerous things in this battle. If she got the Phantom Ruby, she would potentially be the single most powerful and intelligent thing here.
And besides all that, Eggman has so many things that just gap Bowser in power, the King Koopa may have a ludacris amount of things at his disposal, but the Doctor is an Egg he just can't crack with how much more raw power Ivo has over Bowser.
Metal could blitz through Bowser's whole army on his own, Infinite could handle any of Bowser's big players (the ruby also controls actual reality the whole illusion thing isn't true despite what Tails says in Forces), Sage could coordinate and plan beyond Bowser's ability to keep up, and Eggman just has more power than even Bowser's sea of items and magical tricks can deal with.
Again, The King may have an ocean of tricks, but in the end, The Egg wasn't the one to crack.
1: infinite might be said to be so much more powerful, but since his feats didnt back that up, its obviously not true.
2: they adressed that, Kamek could stop his power copying, and also simply steal anything he might use to power up, like the chaos emeralds
3: Sage had miscalculated things before (as they point out in the explaination) and no matter how smart you are, there is no preperation in a death battle. Even if she could think of something to defeat Bowser (wich is unlikely to begin with) good luck executing it in the middle of battle, especially with Eggmans bad leadership.
Its also weird how to you, the statement that infinite is thousands of times more powerful then anything before is obviously true, but the statement that the ruby makes illusions is obviously false. Take a good look at the battle and especially the bits where they analyse the powers of everyone, and you will see that everything you have said has been adressed, and overpowered by bowser and his minions
@Triforce4ever 1. You're really just gonna disregard Infinite being so powerful just cause, what? We didn't see him pull another Franchise wipe? Or him destroying all of history? Bro we can't just keep having all of existence get murdered just to make people like you believe it to be true, especially when both the irl authors and in universe Eggman straight up state it clearly.
2. They seemed to only be using abilities once, and pretty simple fix, just take out Kamek, also it doesn't particularly matter when Super Neo Metal should be powerful enough to solo Bowser's whole team, and I highly doubt Kamek somehow would have the power to steal the chaos emeralds when he's never been shown to be anywhere close to Super form tier, much less Super Neo.
3. Sage didn't miscalculate,, its pretty set that Sonic isn't bound by fate or destiny, it's not that her calculations were wrong, it's that calculations just don't work with Sonic, he is a variable you can't pin certain loss on, which is something Bowser doesn't have.
Again, Infinite solos, Super Neo Metal solos, quantity in abilities may get Bowser pretty far, but it can't do much when Eggman's quality is just so much higher than anything Bowser or Kamek or Jr could pull out.
They actively lied and lowballed Eggman's goons as much as possible while giving Bowser everything they could, they rigged the fight to have Eggman lose, but that's not surprising when they barely if ever actually scale Sonic characters properly.
@@mastermalice4705 Sonic struggled at least somewhat against all of those previous enemies who are supposedly thousands of times weaker then infinite. yet its still believable that he can fight infinite? that makes no sense. If the creator says one thing, but shows something completly different in his creation, then what actually happened is a more trustworthy source. Show Infinite be that impressive as the creator claims, and then you might have a point. But at the moment, he is all hype and not much else compared to the rest of Eggmans lineup. Also, dont forget that the fight in the video is simply a visual representation of the outcome, not the definitive thing that would happen. You believing what Kamek can or cant do means nothing, he has shown to be capable of teleporting items away from people regardless of their power, so thats what he can do, there is even a fairly reasonable argument to be made that he can prevent metal sonic from transforming into stronger forms.
No lies, no lowballing, just you not being willing to accept that things arent like you believe them to be
i said this on another video, but i gotta comment it again: realistically, eggman should have won 😭 they left out sooo much stuff like metal sonic's copy ability, metal overlord, also nerfing infinite, and SO MUCH MORE!! they also gave bowser items that he shouldn't have access to anymore, as well as removing the bowser's item's limits, causing eggman to have an unfair disadvantage. i don't think they have a bias though! i just believe they got some incorrect information. this was still my favorite episode of death battle, the animation was super clean and good altogether!!
i wanna add that they mentioned metal sonic's copy ability, but they never used it. most of what they said bowser would counter would not have been able to be countered by anything bowser had!
@@Lesbo_Latte I believe they mention that Kamek can disrupt the copy ability in the post fight explanation
They litterally mention kamek Blocks metal sonics copy ability
Tell me you paid no attention to the black boxes and explanations without telling me
@@Avajsb-rv7gwIkr?!? Man Sonic fans can be so annoying sometimes.