I have difficulty getting my head around this one. Presumably anything ingested will be broken down through digestion so all you are getting is the constituent amnio acids rather than collagen absorbed through the gut. Assuming that this is true then if you eat a healthy diet with lots of complete protein (a complete protein is one that contains all the essential amino acids) then your body can synthesize what ever amino acid it needs anyway, i.e. your diet should contain all the raw material it needs to make collagen without extra collagen supplements. Therefore I can't really see how ingesting a collagen supplement (basically containing a few specific amono acids, most of which are none essential and can be synthesised by the human body) helps in any way or form. This sounds more like a myth taken from Chinese folklore. Just don't mention rhino horns (also a source of collagen) and its reputed effects! Have anyone seen any study on the ingestion of collagen? I am a bit out of date on my biochemistry but I dont things has changed that much. Hit me up with the research (even by projects sponsored by companies with a commercial interest) and I will gladly read up and reconsider my opinion. I am open minded to good science.
I could not agree more. The evidence supporting the efficacy of this supplement and its health benefits is tenuous is best. TrainerRoad, you really should have started this segment off with a disclaimer about the low level of evidence supporting the claims presented in this video.
I am also interested in this, as they mention collagen synthesis and the need for vitamin C, which is confusing since why are they discussing synthesis when consuming the actual end-goal product. I have seen other discussions that suggest ingesting gelatin with vitamin C to produce collagen. So, yeah, I'm wondering if there is any benefit to ingesting the end-product of collagen versus the building blocks themselves.
I haven't been able to find one study not done by the supplement industry that proves topical or oral collagen supplementation enhances collagen production!
FYI, this is the correct TrainerRoad Forum link for this podcast. www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/stage-racing-insights-multi-sport-training-camps-collagen-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-248/30608
Also amino acids absolutely do get absorbed in the gut and travel in the bloodstream. It is the protein that needs to be hydrolyzed. If you break down amino acids any further they will no longer be amino acids.
Huge help. I just got some collagen in France and will now take it 1 hour before my workouts. Thank you for your helps guys. My father also just started taking glucosamine. Should he switch?
I have a training question. What type of training is best for a sprinter? I am a sprinter and can put down 1700w power but can’t hold on to be there till the end (40-60 miles). Which part of training would be best to focus on? Z2? SS? Threshold? Thanks in advance and the Vids are great, keep them coming.
This video is concerning collagen. Your question is not related, so I am not sure why you posted it? Furthermore, your question is not unique, you can find a plethora of answers to this question with a simple Google search.
@@TrainerRoad but I mean, do the 25g of total amount still apply for the digesting limit. Or would Collagen fall into a different category? Like 25g of Whey protein + 15g of Collagen within one meal. Or should it be 25g in total
Sorry gents this one is gross. I’ll get my aminos from food and let my body build up all collagen it needs. Eating Rocky Mountain oysters ain’t gonna make you a bigger bull.
I have difficulty getting my head around this one. Presumably anything ingested will be broken down through digestion so all you are getting is the constituent amnio acids rather than collagen absorbed through the gut. Assuming that this is true then if you eat a healthy diet with lots of complete protein (a complete protein is one that contains all the essential amino acids) then your body can synthesize what ever amino acid it needs anyway, i.e. your diet should contain all the raw material it needs to make collagen without extra collagen supplements. Therefore I can't really see how ingesting a collagen supplement (basically containing a few specific amono acids, most of which are none essential and can be synthesised by the human body) helps in any way or form. This sounds more like a myth taken from Chinese folklore. Just don't mention rhino horns (also a source of collagen) and its reputed effects!
Have anyone seen any study on the ingestion of collagen? I am a bit out of date on my biochemistry but I dont things has changed that much. Hit me up with the research (even by projects sponsored by companies with a commercial interest) and I will gladly read up and reconsider my opinion. I am open minded to good science.
I could not agree more. The evidence supporting the efficacy of this supplement and its health benefits is tenuous is best. TrainerRoad, you really should have started this segment off with a disclaimer about the low level of evidence supporting the claims presented in this video.
I am also interested in this, as they mention collagen synthesis and the need for vitamin C, which is confusing since why are they discussing synthesis when consuming the actual end-goal product. I have seen other discussions that suggest ingesting gelatin with vitamin C to produce collagen. So, yeah, I'm wondering if there is any benefit to ingesting the end-product of collagen versus the building blocks themselves.
@@pronag marijuana data suggesting it has ANY positive side effects is tenuous at best too right?
I haven't been able to find one study not done by the supplement industry that proves topical or oral collagen supplementation enhances collagen production!
Robert Markle it’s like thinking eating eyeballs will help your vision.
Bob Morris exactly!
@@BobMorrisWI well said
Bob Morris 🤣🤣🤣🤣😆😆😆😆
FYI, this is the correct TrainerRoad Forum link for this podcast. www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/stage-racing-insights-multi-sport-training-camps-collagen-and-more-ask-a-cycling-coach-248/30608
Also amino acids absolutely do get absorbed in the gut and travel in the bloodstream. It is the protein that needs to be hydrolyzed. If you break down amino acids any further they will no longer be amino acids.
Huge help. I just got some collagen in France and will now take it 1 hour before my workouts. Thank you for your helps guys.
My father also just started taking glucosamine. Should he switch?
Not one study that proves Glucosamine produces any better results than a placebo!
Glucosamine is made from dead animal parts, how can that not cure you u of something right? Smfh!
@@cyclingfreak56 Placebo works and Glucosamine works just as well. You are correct!
I have a training question. What type of training is best for a sprinter? I am a sprinter and can put down 1700w power but can’t hold on to be there till the end (40-60 miles). Which part of training would be best to focus on? Z2? SS? Threshold? Thanks in advance and the Vids are great, keep them coming.
cajun2577 sign up at trainerroad and you can plan builder your goals. It’s actually pretty good.
This video is concerning collagen. Your question is not related, so I am not sure why you posted it? Furthermore, your question is not unique, you can find a plethora of answers to this question with a simple Google search.
Collagen really helped with my knee when I was still playing basketball. Didn't notice anything else performant wise tho.
My own research says powder doesn't work but bone broth is by far the best
What journal is your research published in?
Your "research" and, by extension, your conclusion, is illogical
could I drop 15g of collagen powder into some orange juice to give me the vitamin C required?
you guys r good. great video on vo2max. collagen great, my knee is starting to give me pain, will try that,the vegan kind, tx
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If I am adding Collagen to my protein shake, would I have to still stick to the 25g of total protein per serving? or is Collagen additionally to it?
Totally depends upon your brand, look at the overall ingredients of your recovery shake with all the ingredients considered. :)
@@TrainerRoad but I mean, do the 25g of total amount still apply for the digesting limit. Or would Collagen fall into a different category?
Like 25g of Whey protein + 15g of Collagen within one meal. Or should it be 25g in total
If your goal is 25g total, it should account for both.
Sorry gents this one is gross. I’ll get my aminos from food and let my body build up all collagen it needs. Eating Rocky Mountain oysters ain’t gonna make you a bigger bull.
1. How is this "gross"?
2. No one said, suggested, or even implied consuming testicles, bull or otherwise.