The original video is 55 minutes. For some bizarre reason, when it was uploaded, it terminated at 50 minutes (maybe the file was too large?), and this was not known to me until the video already received many views. I'll post the last 5 minutes as a separate video (together with the Q&A), but meanwhile, here is the missing text until the lecture's end: >
This is the first time that I've listened to you on YT. You're a real treasure, it's about time that I discover your channel. Thank you kindly for this powerful presentation. Viva Cristo Rey.
My family and I joined the TLM in February of 2022 after months of not being allowed to receive Communion on the tongue. We joined a small parish and never looked back. Prior to this switch I had been longing for something deeper in my faith for quite a long time. Since joining the TLM I have had so much of my mind, heart, and soul filled that I feel closer to God and Jesus than ever before. The rituals are so beautiful to watch and the preaching is solid and truthful which challenges me to think about the sins I commit and what I need to do to be a better wife, better mom, etc., The altar is decorated so beautifully and Confession is always available. I love the feeling of love in my heart when I’m praying and when I receive the Eucharist.
He absolutely never offered the Novus Ordo for the simple reason that he died in 1968 and the Novus Ordo was not released until 1969! The reason some get confused is that Padre Pio was forced to say Mass "versus populum" at the end of his life. He did so out of religious obedience but fortunately God took him from the world before he was subjected to the humiliation of giving up the Mass of the Ages.
Since the 60s in the Catholic Church there has been nothing but chaos and confusion about our faith. And I agree with you about Francis and his idea of rigidity and tradition. Francis is mocking faith filled people. Sad sad sad for him.
He is a backwardist to the 1960s, as if nothing has changed since then. For example, "The Council" was oblivious to the rise of Islam, the fall of the Soviet Union, the rise of China, mass abortion and drug abuse, the emptying of the churches, among others.
Tomorrow morning I am attending the first Latin Tridentine Mass at the Immaculata in St. Mary's, Kansas. Anyone who loves the Traditional Catholic faith can find daily Latin Mass here in St. Mary's and a Catholic community to live in.
Erik. The Traditional Latin Mass was "gone" after Vatican 2 and the 1969 Novos Ordo sect. God raised up one prophet to restore the Mass of All Ages. Without Archbishop Lefberve there would be no SSPX, FSSP, ICK and other traditional communities. Pray for SSPX Priests and financially support.
The last two minutes of the (truncated) talk are so important for all Catholics to hear. This short passage brings home the necessity of the Traditional Latin Mass.
On the matter of active participation, I think of the Novus Ordo and the TLM as Martha and Mary respectively. While Martha was distracted with preparations, worried and upset, Mary sat at the Lord's feet listening to Him. Such is the difference between busyness and contemplation. Only one thing is necessary and Mary chose the better part.
The TLM and surrounding tradition convinced me of the supernatural truths of the faith, and more importantly the moral teachings. I am a convert because of it, and it is what keeps me a Catholic. The glorious paradox that is Christianity can only be understood through tradition
I too am a convert. N O Masses I occasionally attended were less holy than my high Anglican Church. My conversion happened at age 80 because, and only because of TLM!
@@marydolan6953 As a child, I loved the Gregorian chants sung by an all male choir. I heard the message of Jesus in the music, and when they abandoned the choir when I was 13, I lost all connection to the church. Many Gregorian chants are in the Solfeggio scale, a sacred scale, some say has healing qualities, and unifying qualities. I loved it, particularly beautiful is the Gregorian chant, St. John the Baptiste. Perhaps, Satanists are afraid of these songs.
Commenting so the video will have more reach. I’ve found your articles clear and helpful, Mr Kwasniewski. I was lapsed for most of my life but rediscovered the depth of the faith through exposure to the liturgical tradition. A very common story, as you noted. God bless!
I'm a Trad and I make a daily devotion to The Precious Blood of Jesus Christ. If you know the Chaplet you would be familiar with the petitions. They clearly address the problems that are happening in the Church. An example is the third mystery "Cover the foundation of the Catholic Church against the plans of the occult kingdom and evil men." This is right before our eyes. Reparation and deliverance prayers are very important to pray during these dark times. We are being attacked from within the hierarchy of the Church, and I consider them the enemies of God and the body of the Church. Another powerful devotion is The Holy Face of Jesus. It is a powerful prayer against the outrages of the Bergoglian papacy.
Angel. Father recently gave me penence in Confession to recite the Litany of the Precious Blood of Jesus. Glad because I was not familiar with this prayer. Had to look it up.
This is a truly fabulous presentation.(I don’t believe I’ve ever said that before about anything on TH-cam.) Dr. Kwasniewski quotes a young person explaining why the TLM is flourishing, and says “Young people do not need a watered-down, easy faith.” This statement is key in understanding the magnetism that the old Mass, the Mass of the ages, has upon young Catholics today. Although I myself am just a bit younger than Bergoglio and other modernists, I have come to totally understand the irresistible pull of the TLM, and I think I also understand the loyalty of modernists to the novus ordo mass although I personally love the TLM. Many people as they age recall the fervor of their youth for certain ideologies, for certain movements in art, literature, politics, or scientific discoveries that for them heralded a new age of hope. The fact that that age of hope never materialized is irrelevant to them and they continue to champion the same beliefs they did in their youth. That, coupled with the fact that many old bishops seem to not even believe in the Real Presence or in the faith itself, makes the TLM so much more desirable to young people. The TLM is also the true form of Catholic worship that the Lord wills for the true Catholic Church. It is not watered-down or easy. One must work at it; one must read, study, sacrifice, face suffering and mortification. I guess I went off on a bit of a tangent. My original point is that Dr. Kwasniewski has done a tremendous job with this talk and the bishops should listen to ideas like the ones presented in it. Soon their generation (and mine) will pass away and younger people who love truth and tradition will lead the Church.
Growing up, attending the latin mass, I could go anywhere in the World and follow it. It gave me my love of latin leading to it's secular cultural advantage.
Absolutely correct; which is why the mandating of the VERNACULAR BY V2 IS SUCH A BACKWARD STEP. How is it that popes since V2 in 1962 have ALREADY been declared saints?
Oh wow. A Latin scholar ? I assume you don’t need the English translation when attending TLM. However, you can actually follow the NO liturgy in any language anywhere in the world if you are a real Catholic. Most mature Catholics who attend mass regularly pretty much know this by heart.
@@melarrow6202 As a young primary schoolboy, I was taught the latin mass, by heart, by my nun headmistress, in order to become an altar boy. my love of latin, began there. However, I am no longer a believer and attend mass no more. I do not rejoice in this, but will believe again, when someone can prove to me, the existance of God.
And it was evil, profoundly evil. A form of iconoclasm, in fact, as I talk about at my Substack "Tradition & Sanity": traditionsanity.substack.com/p/modern-iconoclasm-and-the-most-beautiful
Born 1951 I remember the the Latin Mass I had my first communion ... it was beautiful ... There was so many people there where no seats ... They kneeled on the concrete floor in the back. In their best suits.
If, after all that has happened until now, Catholic bishops who are faithful to the Faith handed down over the ages still cannot understand that Francis needs to be identified as an apostate and deposed, then God help us! Divine Intervention still needs human cooperation on the part of the bishops.
I agree with everything you are saying and have experienced all of that myself and I have to travel 28 miles to attend and it is most certainly worth the effort Saturday mornings at 10 a.m. and sometimes have to stay a night nearer to be there on tme as I depend on buses x2 or a bus & train and walk. It is beautifully Spiritually so maybe because over the last 50/60 years people have lost a great deal of their actual Spirituality by hellivision and poor Teaching of the Faith. Thank you for this deep explanation God Bless you and protect you. I agree the Holy priests and nuns were hurt and still are and some of us are hurt by clergy who now oppose us receiving Jesus on the tongue and tell us things we do not believe, I was told by my Baptism and Confirmation at the Sanctuary that I am worthy to receive the Eucharist in my hands!! I saw a soldier kneeling and told don't start a revolution in here by the 89 year old priest who when the soldier humbly asked for a Blessing instead received JESUS violently shoved into his mouth as he kneeled waiting for a Blessing!!
When I heard about this and the unnecessary and malicious actions of the Pope, I, a lifelong Protestant, immediately found a Latin Mass near me and started attending. Conversion could be next.
Peter K nailed it. His knowledge is extensive and his analysis is great. The man is a true, genuine and convincing Roman catholic. May our beloved Lord bless him abundantly.
Mr. Kwasniewski this was an amazing speach and hit many great points. I tried fighting the battle with local priests here in the Boston area and quickly realized who they are working for. Its not a mistake that the Mass that will turn people into Catholics is rejected by the Modernist. Keep fighting the good battle and if you have not read "Work of Human Hands" I would suggest doing so.
It would be gigantic!! There are already some nice books like this: tanbooks.com/products/contra-mundi/ever-ancient-ever-new-why-younger-generations-are-embracing-traditional-catholicism/ www.amazon.com/Love-Ruins-Modern-Catholics-Ancient/dp/1892331667/ www.amazon.com/Priest-Seventeen-Independent-Priests-Celebrate/dp/1892331268 (Though this last one is out of print...)
I do not presently plan to publish the entire transcript as such, but I will likely share some of it on my Substack "Tradition & Sanity," which you can subscribe to for free here: traditionsanity.substack.com/
@@DrKwasniewski thank you! I will happily copy the entire text from the video for myself, maybe even translate it in French for my family. They must learn all this!
Is Orthodox Christianity the same as the Traditional Latin Mass? I was born and raised Catholic but being born in the 60s I was exposed only to NO mass (pun intended). I haven't been to a Catholic mass in decades and am feeling the need to go back to the church. I ended up attending a Russian Orthodox church and much preferred this mass over the NO mass that I am familiar with. It had a feeling of sacredness that I never experienced before. Thank you Mr. Kwasniewski for a very informative video.
I would recommend that you try to visit a Traditional Latin Mass -- a sung Mass or solemn Mass if possible. You will find there the West's equivalent to the Divine Liturgy.
Peter Kwasniewski, I believe you were on the roster of speakers at Fr. Nicholas Gruner's Conferences in the 1970's and 1980's. Do you recall an author who wrote a book mentioning that the Southwest was chosen as an early "testing ground" for the modernist errors to be forced on the people of faith, namely Hispanics, because they were taught to never question the priest? I remember reading the book but remember neither title nor author. Would you know? (I attended all conferences, including those in Rome. Sir, you seem very familiar.) I remember Michael Matt, John Vennari, Michael Davies, Chris Ferrari, and others who attended and spoke at the conferences. (My pastor is much interested in obtaining the book.)
You might have confused me with someone else; since I was born in 1971, I couldn't have been part of those conferences! And I haven't heard of the "testing ground" theory.
According to experts, a huge part of our communication is non-verbal: th-cam.com/video/BtJvqzXS3aI/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUfa3dhc25pZXdza2kgbm9uLXZlcmJhbCBsYW5ndWFnZQ%3D%3D This has obvious liturgical implications, since the old liturgy makes a heavier use of symbol and gesture, while the new liturgy is mostly talking.
As I understand, The Vatican II Council began in 1962. I was 12 and I remember Catholics were saved by being baptized even as a baby. You confessed sin to the priest and he forgives you and gives you pentance. You say that the Vatican II Church is a new religion. What was the 50' Church like and how was one saved? Because, what I wrote above is nowhere in the Bible for the Bible says, we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus who did the finished work on the cross for our sake and of course, He is merciful.
@@DrKwasniewskiI apologize for the lack of clarity. I wrote my comment as you we’re talking about the lack of enthusiastic commentary for the NO reforms. “Reason & Theology” is a relatively large channel here on TH-cam that attacks and mocks Traditionalists (especially Taylor Marshall) or anyone to the right of EWTN who struggles with the abuses and dare I say, the neo-Gnosticism that has permeated the Church. Thank you for all you do Dr Kwasnieski! I finished reading the “Once and Future Roman Rite” it reinvigorated my faith to stand and man the battlements no matter the odds. +Ave Christus Rex+ ❤️🔥✝️🙏🏻
Any man can be elected pope: a layman, a deacon, a priest, a bishop, a cardinal, it doesn't matter. That has always been church law. However, as the college of cardinals solidified over the centuries, it became customary to elect one of their number.
Finally someone tells me why the TLM is better without saying "because the NO Mass has all these problems..." If someone had said " The TLM is contemplative " then I would have understood.
As a cradle Catholic of 70+ years I have lived both the Latin and the Novus Ordo Masses. Both are beautiful and inclusive when done in the manner intended. I usually attend the Novus Ordo because our priests are very traditional with respectful and traditional hymns. I prefer this Mass as I can understand and participate more fully. Several months ago I went to a TLM and was very disappointed because I found it hard to follow, the priest wore no microphone so I could not hear and the readings for the s ruptures did not follow my missal and the priest’s homily was very short and very academic. I was disappointed because I had not felt that way growing up. I think that either form of the Mass can be done reverently or be done either way out there or as a Montana to be completed. Putting that aside, what I think is more important is that we as individuals understand that the basics in both forms is the same. Our participation is dependent upon how much we understand what is happening and our willingness to participate in the prayers. The Mass of the 400s looks more like the Novus Ordo and the TLM. Looks more like that of the 1500s. Both are the Mass- Christ becomes present in the Holy Eucharist and the priest and, we the people offer ourselves to God. Fr. Chris Alar has a podcast on TH-cam that explains the biblical aspects of the Mass and goes through each prayer and explains the actions of the priest during the Mass. Understanding the basics unites us with God and the sacrifice and resurrection of Christ in the same sacrament in both Mass orders. . We both receive Our Lord present in the Eucharist. I do not understand the dispute over which some are trying to divide us. We are One True Holy and Catholic Church. I do not agree with the Pope nor the magisterium who are trying to eliminate the TLM and I do not agree with those who prefer the TLM insistent that that is the only form of Mass recognized. The bottom line is that when we go to Mass, it is our responsibility to adore OurLord in the fullness of whatever way we can best serve and adore Him. Once one understands what is happening during the Mass and understands where and why our prayers and responses come from we can attend Mass anywhere in the world and praise and adore God as Christ and the early fathers taught us. Our intent and participation in what is occurring on that alter is way more important than what form is used. Just my personal thoughts. Would attend TLM from time to time if it were closer to where I live. God bless. With the pressure being placed upon Catholics in this country it is important that we remain United as division is what the powers to be want.
I’d like to direct you to the Mass of the Ages documentaries(both on TH-cam). That may go a long way in showing you why Dr. K and many others embraced the Latin Mass and never looked back. These are beautiful documentaries and you seem an admirer of beauty.
The funny thing is that as an NO attendee I 100% agree with the assessment that the TLM will speak more effectively to Catholics In my experience, LifeTeen for instance, was a failed attempt at speaking to the younger generation “on their level”. Many of my friends and fam who went through it, despite being quite excited at the time, no longer attend church regularly. But the traditional movement puts the Vatican in a pretty tough position: ‘accept our terms or watch the Church wither’. Even if that ultimatum is simply a statement of fact, where do you go from there? I just have trouble seeing this fight end with Papal Authority in tact. Maybe I’m missing something; would very much like to hear other’s perspectives on this.
I may be misunderstanding your comment but I really don't think the traditional movement is really doing much to threaten the church as you have said, in my personal experience (living in an intensely novis ordo town) is that the church just seems to rot by itself. The only reason I am still catholic is because of the Latin mass. To everyone else in town who hasn't experienced TLM, they treat their religion like an annoying ritual to do so we don't upset grandma rather than an actual communion with God. Many people I know will just outright say some of the stuff (like Joshua invading the holy land) as actions not inspired by God. They have no theological argument for things like this other than random basic Jesus quotes like "turn the left cheek" when Jesus also said things like, "Sell your cloak and buy a sword" Jesus frequently quotes the old testament and people just are picking what they personally think is divinely inspired like it's a restaurant. People like that usually just convert to some protestant denomination. And most people who defend novis ordo and call me a "holier than though person" will not defend their faith. This post Vatican II catholicism is an unsustainable religion. The fact that the Vatican put themselves in this situation is not any living traditionalist's fault. If anything it's like watching somebody bang their head against a wall saying and saying "If you do that too much you will suffer brain damage" Those are my thoughts, I would like to hear your response.
@@timmyjimmy7413 Thanks for the reply. A lot to respond to there but I’ll try to be succinct: 1)To clarify, I didn’t mean that the TLM is actively hurting the Church or threatening her -I was just saying that they’ve proposed a kind of ultimatum to Rome. (An Ultimatum= ‘I demand _____ or _______ will happen’) 2) on The Novus Ordo Churches ‘rotting’ by themselves. -I think you probably have a point. But lemme point out that today’s wandering Catholic isn’t truly choosing between The Novus Ordo (NO) and the Traditional Mass (TLM) alone. The secular world has been beckoning the whole time and is only getting louder. My guess is that there’s a portion of the Church that would be on its way out no matter what and the NO can’t fully take the blame for an entire culture. The remaining question then is what’s the best way to keep the people who are still on the Fence (and even to attract new converts)? I think we both agree here-Tradition is the best way to go. One of my main points though is that the Papacy is a part of that tradition and (even though YOU haven’t been too abrasive) many trads I come across speak about Pope Francis with an attitude ranging from indignation to ‘he’s a false pope’ to ‘I’m okay with schism’. 3.) The TLM itself is not the same as the TLM *Movement*. -I’ve never been to a full high mass yet, but I know from everything I’ve seen that it is beautiful. Even elements of the TLM that have started to come back at the local NO parishes have been a real gift to our weekly Masses. But the online trad movement is quite another thing altogether. Mr. Kwazniewski says that the crackdown has nothing to do with bad behavior from traditionalists, but maybe that depends on your perspective. The aggression I’ve seen from some towards the pope (not to mention a host of other questionable political affiliations is disturbing) 4) There are plenty of non-trad resources that are doing plenty of good for the Church: Bible in A Year, Catechism in a year, Trent Horn, to name a few. The Internet has been 5) You’re really not gonna like this but, here it goes): I think in a lot of ways we’re asking too much of priests. A priest is there to perform the mass, and deliver the sacraments. Never EVER was there a Church consisting of all perfect clergy. I only say this because the bulk of reasons I hear for people leaving the NO or Church are about the hypocrisy of people or priests. Mmh 🫤 Now, I perfectly understand if a person wants the TLM to be the form the priest says. But even scandal isn’t a great reason for not studying your faith deeper and reflecting it back out to the people around you.
Specifically with regard to papal authority: I think that one side benefit of this crisis may be a more thoughtful view of papal power. A lot of conservative Catholics attack the traditionalists for defying or criticizing the pope, and I don't think that it's just the rude tone of some of us (regrettable though that may be). There is a perception that the pope is above any criticism, and whatever he says goes. This mentality is a recent development since Vatican One. I don't mean that infallibility is wrong, but some people think that any judgment the pope makes is so. At that council, one of the strongest supporters of papal authority was a Spanish bishop. He said that a pope could fall into material heresy out of misinformation, but not out of malice. That's a far cry from the conservative position. Every crisis in the Church causes problems but leads to some more doctrinal clarity.
Such a shame that a Pope would suggest such; it seems to me to be like shooting the Church in the foot by denying some of it's more dedicated, or simply seaching, a voice.
Dr. Kwasniewski is as always excellent. He should be happy to see my letter which i have recently sent to our NO Bishop. You will be laughing at the same time. God bless 🙏🎉🙏
That's true. I suppose I should have made more clear my implicit claim that the reason the FBI is interested in traditional Catholics is analogous to the reason Francis is obsessed with them: they represent a "creative minority" that is a threat to the establishment.
But yet Bergoglio is siding and aiding SSPX. He just appointed a SSPX Bishop in Pennsylvania. SSPX is the most traditionally ardent group that fought against this heresy only to be called “schismatics.” Bergoglio says they are not “schismatics,” but the other traditional groups are schismatics? What is up his sleeve with his duplicitous behaviors? Is he about to hit the SSPX?
Having just watched the Coronation of King Charles, it was steeped in tradition and passive. Pope Francis highly respects first nation traditions and participates in their ceremonies, e.g. in Canada, in South America, in Africa etc. Pope Francis just allowed the Anglican tradition to celebrate their traditional liturgy in St John Lateran. So it seems highly hypocritical then to eradicate our own tradition!!! But having read Dr Warren Carroll's Church History, it was John Knox's and William Cecil's goal in the Protestant Reformation to eradicate the Mass and any belief in the Real Presence. Now our leader's do it themselves. No wonder Our Blessed Mother asks us to pray the Rosary and to make sacrifices for the conversion of poor sinners.
IT SEEMS THAT THE PLAN WOULD BE TO REACH AS MANY AS POSSIBLE. THIS SEEMS POLITICAL. This is antithecal to the "claimed" cause of the Church. Preference, in this, should be supported; we should never close a door to Faith. That said, God Bless the Church and The Pope.
Comes to my mind and heart when Jesus Christ was chastised because he entered the home into of a gentile and shared a meal. We are being told by the pope that it is ignorant and backward to enter the sacred sacrament of mass if it is said in Latin. Did our Lord say we should pray together, but he did not designate any language. The apostles were by the Holy Spirit given the knowledge of other languages, so they could tell all peoples of our Lord, and again no specific language was designated. I love the Latin Mass because it closes the outside world and focuses my mind on the adoration of The Holy Trinity. My faith is with me constant in God in any language, but I more and more question the changes that have taken within the Catholic Church. I know my faith is simplistic, but has been steadfast throughout all the trials of life.
9:30 “..not the majority who float along with the spirit of the age.” I’m completely for the return to tradition but I think this is where the biggest oversight lies. The Spirit of the Age is the Internet. Increased awareness of the TLM has been great but it’s a little obtuse to ignore where it’s come from. (Again the Internet) People online are returning to many different traditions (some good and some questionable), the Church has really only gotten a slice of the pie. (A big and beautiful slice, yes🙏 ) But if we uncritically accept all opposition to the Vatican’s agenda, we might be biting off more than we can chew.
Why exactly is it a problem to say that knowledge of tradition has come via the internet? God can make use of Noah's dove or Balaam's donkey to communicate his message; why not photos of a solemn Mass on New Liturgical Movement? In any case, no intelligent traditionalist "accepts ALL opposition to the Vatican's agenda" (not even sure what that means).
I don't understand. Latin Mass growing. Young families joining and expanding their faith. My church, new order, is getting older and declining during mass. Seems the younger families are growing faster and increasing donations. Makes sense to encourage not reduce the Latin Mass.
Yes, I didn't realize that until after the video was posted. I just posted in a comment the missing text, and I'll post the last 5 minutes in video form later.
If you are "being passive" at the Traditional Latin Mass, then, I would argue that you are doing it wrong, Pick up a missal. Learn the liturgy. Pray the prayers mindfully during the mass. Allow yourself to be fully present and to be moved by the spirit.
It's because sadly he needs to convert. He is not Catholic. An unrepentant and arrogant soul is a tool of Satan. Satan HATES the true sacrifice of the Mass.
Some people make the comment is pope Francis, the pope; I will ask a serious question, Not a joke; is pope Francis a Catholic, the weight of evidence says unfortunately NO.
One big error of trads is that they preserve the faith. NO brothers grow in faith, catechise, have gifts of the Holy Spirit (profecies, tongues, gift of knowledge...) a d
All Catholics rites "have the Eucharist in both species," as the priest must always consecrate and consume both. But since Our Lord is really, fully, substantially, personally present under EACH species, it is more than sufficient for a layman to receive under one form (or the other - as with a celiac who cannot receive a host but can receive the precious Blood). Those who do not preserve the Faith will end up losing it.
Every reason you propose for the bishops to adhere to the errors of VII is probably correct and no one can be more imperious than the bishops who believe they are princes and who exercise absolute power in their dioceses. However, your reasons do not explain the pope’s destructive actions. His actions emanate from evil. There can be no other explanation of pachama, the Chinese agreement, the appointment of morally compromised men, his love affair with the LBQXYZ agenda, communion for abortion promoters, etc.
See this lecture, which explains both why Latin is the best language for the LATIN-rite Church, and why other sacred languages are appropriate in their own contexts: rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2022/06/why-latin-is-right-language-for-roman.html
Traditionalists are not a creative minority. The big problem with traditionalists is that despite you all being mostly correct about liturgy you are unfortunately coupling your understanding of liturgy with a toxic conservative ideology that has little Catholic way of thinking. For example, Peter sites Francis and his cohorts love of liberation theology, but thats typical traditionalist reply without knowing about what JPII said in 1987 about liberation theology. Perhaps more of us need to read Hillenbrand and better understand the connection between good liturgy and Catholic social action as one good starting point.
This seems like a red herring. Either traditionalist are correct about liturgical matters, or they are not, independently of their particular social commitments. After all, one could be a monarchist or a democrat, a capitalist or a socialist, and from either point of view advocate for either traditional rites or modern ones. Indeed, examples can be found historically. However, I would say that the Catholics who are most seriously interested in Catholic Social Teaching are the traditionalists, because they take the preconciliar Magisterium seriously, and that Magisterium was nothing if not serious about politics, ethics, and culture. The liberals do not have a monopoly on social ethics or care for the poor.
@@DrKwasniewski traditionalists are correct about many things pertaining to liturgy but not everything. Historically I don't see many trads who advocate for socialism though, but there are problems with so-called Catholic socialism. And why not also take the post conciliar magisterium seriously? From observations, there aren't many trads who take CST seriously, they treat it as if it's a liberal pipe dream. Nevertheless it would help if more trads took CST more seriously, from Rerum Novarum thru Fratelli Tutti, not just RN and Quadragesimo Anno. Also, I'm not saying liberals have a monopoly on social ethics or caring for the poor, the problem is that not enough trads and conservatives care about social justice and ethics and social charity, and would rather just only talk theology. It's like they're actually allowing liberals to have a monopoly on social ethics and caring for poor. It starts with trust. More trads need to trust what the magisterium has said about subsidiarity, solidarity, property rights, universal destination of goods, authentic development of people, care for the environment, just wages and workers rights, otherwise liberals will continue to run roughshod on social ethics and justice with their messed up ideology.
@@MontfortracingYou are better read and more informed than me. My main reason for attending the Latin Mass is to save my soul through traditional Catholic teachings and Doctrine. This commitment flows into following Church social teachings. I help folks, particularly with car repair. I donate to a traditional order of Nuns who educate poor children. And I am on the board of directors for a Catholic prolife organization. Many trads help others in their own way. This work is done for the glory of God. My thoughts.
@@marccrotty8447 what you do is quite commendable and that's great you attend the TLM to preserve your soul, because that's where you feel you can be more Christ-like. I just hope that more traditionalists embrace the full breadth of Catholic social doctrine and not just pick and choose the ones they like. But that goes for Catholics on the left as well.
Though the history perhaps is accurate, you are not making any argument for the TLM other than “new mass bad” like a liberal claiming “orange man bad” in the case of Trump. I’ll have to look more into this since the heady knowledge reeks of casuistry to me.
You can find ample resources on this question not only in my other lectures but in scholarly works by other authors like: www.amazon.com/Traditional-Mass-History-Theology-Classical/dp/1621385248 www.amazon.com/Roman-Mass-Christian-Origins-Tridentine/dp/1108832458/
I was hoping you weren't going to obscure the jew issue commonality also. Then you used the "woke" euphemism for the takkun olam behavior agenda of the historic enemies of the church.😮 You had the opportunity to step ahead and make a difference by appealing to cause but, by sticking to effect citations you didn't.
@@DrKwasniewski Fair enough. There's a great deal of collective naieve acceptance of terms (and narratives) at the surface level even though they have an occult intent. Simply that "woke" is the next euphemism acceptance segue from the current judaio-masonic "post-Christendom" materialist usurping human-centric order (i.e. democratic republics) that replaced Christ's kingdom of Church-corrinated kings, to the actual inverse/opposite talmudic or satanic order. I hope that's helpful.
Even if you think that pope Francis I is a bad one, which you have every right to believe, I do hope that you are not sedevacantists? (Believing, that pope Francis "is not a legitimate" pope?) That would be a heresy, you know.
@@DrKwasniewski thank you, that's a relief to hear. I unfortunately came across American Catholics that are... They claim, that for example Luminous Mysteries added by saint pope John Paul II are not "real" mysteries, because all popes after Vatican II, are not real popes, called me "a modernist" for explaining, that a pope is a pope, although I perceive myself as conservative. It was first time, I've encountered such thinking. I didn't even expect someone could come up with something like this. One thing is saying, that pope makes bad decisions, or is having bad intentions, but the other is claiming, that he is not a real pope. In our history we had popes, that were adulterers, were vain, and extremely greedy, some of them might have had very little or no faith in God, and we still acknowledge them as popes. Why would we reject our current popes? It would be against the words of Jesus, that saint Peter is a foundation of His Church and the gates of hell, will not prevail it. There is no Church if there is no structure. Especially if there is no head of it. No matter what moral status that person would posess. If there would be no head, it would mean that "the gates of hell" indeed had prevailed it - which we know from Jesus, would never happen, because He said so. So - there is a head present. There always was and will be. Till the end of times.
@@greyhoundmama2062 such a poor try. Jesus specifically said, that His Church will last, and gates of hell will not prevail it. To exist the Church needs to have a structure. Especially the head. If you believe that our pope is not a pope, then you don't believe what Jesus said. That is heresy.
In point of fact, I wrote no such thing. Only that his pontificate included severe problems that we could objectively identify. onepeterfive.com/lessons-church-history-papal-lapses/
There was a time when I would have thought such a statement absurd. Now, with what I've learned, I regret to say that at the very least, he is hardly "St JP 2 the Great" that they claim him to be.
"The issue is not whether Biden is pro-abortion or pro-life; it's one of obedience to the Commander in Chief." "The issue is not whether Hitler is pro-Semite or anti-Semite; it's one of obedience to the nation's Leader." "The issue is not whether a Pope is pro-tradition or anti-tradition, pro-Catholic or anti-Catholic; it's one of obedience to the Head Bishop." I have a book you might be interested in: www.amazon.com/True-Obedience-Church-Discernment-Challenging/dp/1644136740/
Obedience to a leader regardless if he is right or wrong is the definition of a Cult. Is that what Jesus would have one do...? If you think so, why did He slam the Pharisees ...
I thought we obey truth, which Christ, and His revelation. Papal idolatry is a sin, worshipping a man as God is a sin, blind obedience to error is not a virtue.
@@TruthSeeker-333 the pope is His vicar, His Vice President on earth. No idolatry is there unless one has an autistic insistence that these be conflated (Protestantism). However, there does come a time when we need to remember Who the President is and follow Him and His Tradition should the vicar abrogate his duties as main shepherd on earth
still i don't understand. I have to call 'papa' 'pope' to the person who offers my soul to hell? why you all knowing that this man nothing but pagan shaman you call him 'pope' not 'anti-pope? do you show weakness of fidelity? are you loyal to Christ or imposters? Pope is a vicar of Christ, can not be a pappa-pachamamas.
Your objection is based on a false conflation of the Vicar of Christ and Christ Himself. A vicar can, of course, be a failure; he can abuse his office; he can fail to represent the one whom he is supposed to represent. The Church guarantees that the pope will be right ONLY when he speaks "ex cathedra" on a matter of faith and morals, or when he speaks in unison with the universal ordinary magisterium of the episcopacy.
The original video is 55 minutes. For some bizarre reason, when it was uploaded, it terminated at 50 minutes (maybe the file was too large?), and this was not known to me until the video already received many views. I'll post the last 5 minutes as a separate video (together with the Q&A), but meanwhile, here is the missing text until the lecture's end:
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This is the first time that I've listened to you on YT. You're a real treasure, it's about time that I discover your channel. Thank you kindly for this powerful presentation. Viva Cristo Rey.
If I may: it is worth pinning this comment of yours so that it is visible at the top.
great talk and attention to otherwise abysmal state of the church under this so called woke/progressive 'pontificate'.
Done! Thanks for prompting me to do that.
My family and I joined the TLM in February of 2022 after months of not being allowed to receive Communion on the tongue. We joined a small parish and never looked back.
Prior to this switch I had been longing for something deeper in my faith for quite a long time.
Since joining the TLM I have had so much of my mind, heart, and soul filled that I feel closer to God and Jesus than ever before. The rituals are so beautiful to watch and the preaching is solid and truthful which challenges me to think about the sins I commit and what I need to do to be a better wife, better mom, etc.,
The altar is decorated so beautifully and Confession is always available. I love the feeling of love in my heart when I’m praying and when I receive the Eucharist.
We've had enough exhortations to be silent. Cry out with a thousand tongues - I see the world is rotten because of silence.
👏💪🙏St. Catherine of Siena
I can't think of any other layman I'd rather listen to. Such an awesome defender of The True Catholic Faith Our TLM
Thank you
God bless
Tremendous presentation! You are not only a scholar, but a loyal son of Holy Mother Church. I offer my most earnest and prayerful support.
I could listen to you all day, the first time I attended a TLM I cried also, I was home.
Francis is stuck in the '70s. I want the same mass Padri Pio gave, the same mass Joan of Arc went to, and all the greats.
He's also stuck in the Peron era.
@@earthangel3234 oh yes. Francis is a Peronist for sure !
I love Padre Pio. as well. Did you know that, although he preferred the TLM he also had offered the Novus Ordo.
@@katiedid8192 That is quite disputed.
He absolutely never offered the Novus Ordo for the simple reason that he died in 1968 and the Novus Ordo was not released until 1969!
The reason some get confused is that Padre Pio was forced to say Mass "versus populum" at the end of his life. He did so out of religious obedience but fortunately God took him from the world before he was subjected to the humiliation of giving up the Mass of the Ages.
Since the 60s in the Catholic Church there has been nothing but chaos and confusion about our faith. And I agree with you about Francis and his idea of rigidity and tradition. Francis is mocking faith filled people. Sad sad sad for him.
He is a backwardist to the 1960s, as if nothing has changed since then. For example, "The Council" was oblivious to the rise of Islam, the fall of the Soviet Union, the rise of China, mass abortion and drug abuse, the emptying of the churches, among others.
Tomorrow morning I am attending the first Latin Tridentine Mass at the Immaculata in St. Mary's, Kansas. Anyone who loves the Traditional Catholic faith can find daily Latin Mass here in St. Mary's and a Catholic community to live in.
I lived in Manhattan KS for 29 years and never knew what a gem I had 30 miles away, until I moved to the Wichita Diocese. 😢
It was an impressive 5 hours long. 🥰☘
How was it?
@@leejennifercorlewayres9193 It is on TH-cam. 51/2 hours. That is true dedication. ☘️
Erik. The Traditional Latin Mass was "gone" after Vatican 2 and the 1969 Novos Ordo sect. God raised up one prophet to restore the Mass of All Ages. Without Archbishop Lefberve there would be no SSPX, FSSP, ICK and other traditional communities. Pray for SSPX Priests and financially support.
The last two minutes of the (truncated) talk are so important for all Catholics to hear. This short passage brings home the necessity of the Traditional Latin Mass.
Fantastic talk! I couldn’t stop listening. Michael Davies is smiling down. God Bless you Peter🙏💕✝️!
John Venari too. ❤
When a pope can laugh at a spiritual bouquet especially when offered by children, you know there is a deep spiritual decay within his soul.
Its called evil
He did that ? 😮 that definitely is evil !
Yes, a streak of censure and malice. Have no illusion, he will use his power to repress and constrain. Actually he already has.
Unless he's not really Pope. Then it's understandable.
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then it wouldn't be a problem
On the matter of active participation, I think of the Novus Ordo and the TLM as Martha and Mary respectively. While Martha was distracted with preparations, worried and upset, Mary sat at the Lord's feet listening to Him. Such is the difference between busyness and contemplation. Only one thing is necessary and Mary chose the better part.
That is beautiful.
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But if Martha had emulated Mary, who would have prepared Jesus’ meal?
Thank you so much for your talk which gave the listeners a full picture of what is going on in our Church. May God have mercy on us.
The TLM and surrounding tradition convinced me of the supernatural truths of the faith, and more importantly the moral teachings. I am a convert because of it, and it is what keeps me a Catholic. The glorious paradox that is Christianity can only be understood through tradition
I too am a convert. N O Masses I occasionally attended were less holy than my high Anglican Church. My conversion happened at age 80 because, and only because of TLM!
Well put.
God Bless you.
The Latin Mass united the world so that no matter where you went to Mass you understood what was happening.you understood the language
@@marydolan6953 As a child, I loved the Gregorian chants sung by an all male choir. I heard the message of Jesus in the music, and when they abandoned the choir when I was 13, I lost all connection to the church. Many Gregorian chants are in the Solfeggio scale, a sacred scale, some say has healing qualities, and unifying qualities. I loved it, particularly beautiful is the Gregorian chant, St. John the Baptiste. Perhaps, Satanists are afraid of these songs.
Commenting so the video will have more reach. I’ve found your articles clear and helpful, Mr Kwasniewski. I was lapsed for most of my life but rediscovered the depth of the faith through exposure to the liturgical tradition. A very common story, as you noted. God bless!
Fantastic. Love this. The truth is spoken. ❤
I'm a Trad and I make a daily devotion to The Precious Blood of Jesus Christ. If you know the Chaplet you would be familiar with the petitions. They clearly address the problems that are happening in the Church. An example is the third mystery "Cover the foundation of the Catholic Church against the plans of the occult kingdom and evil men." This is right before our eyes. Reparation and deliverance prayers are very important to pray during these dark times. We are being attacked from within the hierarchy of the Church, and I consider them the enemies of God and the body of the Church. Another powerful devotion is The Holy Face of Jesus. It is a powerful prayer against the outrages of the Bergoglian papacy.
Angel. Father recently gave me penence in Confession to recite the Litany of the Precious Blood of Jesus. Glad because I was not familiar with this prayer. Had to look it up.
This is a truly fabulous presentation.(I don’t believe I’ve ever said that before about anything on TH-cam.) Dr. Kwasniewski quotes a young person explaining why the TLM is flourishing, and says “Young people do not need a watered-down, easy faith.” This statement is key in understanding the magnetism that the old Mass, the Mass of the ages, has upon young Catholics today. Although I myself am just a bit younger than Bergoglio and other modernists, I have come to totally understand the irresistible pull of the TLM, and I think I also understand the loyalty of modernists to the novus ordo mass although I personally love the TLM. Many people as they age recall the fervor of their youth for certain ideologies, for certain movements in art, literature, politics, or scientific discoveries that for them heralded a new age of hope. The fact that that age of hope never materialized is irrelevant to them and they continue to champion the same beliefs they did in their youth. That, coupled with the fact that many old bishops seem to not even believe in the Real Presence or in the faith itself, makes the TLM so much more desirable to young people. The TLM is also the true form of Catholic worship that the Lord wills for the true Catholic Church. It is not watered-down or easy. One must work at it; one must read, study, sacrifice, face suffering and mortification.
I guess I went off on a bit of a tangent. My original point is that Dr. Kwasniewski has done a tremendous job with this talk and the bishops should listen to ideas like the ones presented in it. Soon their generation (and mine) will pass away and younger people who love truth and
tradition will lead the Church.
what amazing speech!
Growing up, attending the latin mass, I could go anywhere in the World and follow it. It gave me my love of latin leading to it's secular cultural advantage.
Absolutely correct; which is why the mandating of the VERNACULAR BY V2 IS SUCH A BACKWARD STEP.
How is it that popes since V2 in 1962 have ALREADY been declared saints?
Oh wow. A Latin scholar ? I assume you don’t need the English translation when attending TLM. However, you can actually follow the NO liturgy in any language anywhere in the world if you are a real Catholic. Most mature Catholics who attend mass regularly pretty much know this by heart.
@@melarrow6202 As a young primary schoolboy, I was taught the latin mass, by heart, by my nun headmistress, in order to become an altar boy. my love of latin, began there. However, I am no longer a believer and attend mass no more. I do not rejoice in this, but will believe again, when someone can prove to me, the existance of God.
Beautifully articulated! I was born in 1953, and watched the demolition of the Mass. Even as a young child I knew it was evil.
And it was evil, profoundly evil. A form of iconoclasm, in fact, as I talk about at my Substack "Tradition & Sanity":
traditionsanity.substack.com/p/modern-iconoclasm-and-the-most-beautiful
Born 1951 I remember the the Latin Mass I had my first communion ... it was beautiful ... There was so many people there where no seats ... They kneeled on the concrete floor in the back. In their best suits.
9:00 Very well said!
If, after all that has happened until now, Catholic bishops who are faithful to the Faith handed down over the ages still cannot understand that Francis needs to be identified as an apostate and deposed, then God help us! Divine Intervention still needs human cooperation on the part of the bishops.
Agree absolutely 💯.
Everytime i hear Dr Peter, one hears calm, peaceful thought provoking wisdom. He calms my soul and to pray for the Pope! Thank you!
I used to think the frustration of contemplative prayer in the NO was an accident.
Outstanding and brilliant talk. Thank you and God bless you! I couldn't agree with you more. Deo gratias!
I long for the day where we will come back to the Pax Liturgica experience like that under Pope Benedict XVI, of happy memory.
❤️🙏❤️
If the Pope is infallible then why is Francis directly contradicting and undermining the work of his predecessor? Is he saying Benedict was wrong?
I agree with everything you are saying and have experienced all of that myself and I have to travel 28 miles to attend and it is most certainly worth the effort Saturday mornings at 10 a.m. and sometimes have to stay a night nearer to be there on tme as I depend on buses x2 or a bus & train and walk. It is beautifully Spiritually so maybe because over the last 50/60 years people have lost a great deal of their actual Spirituality by hellivision and poor Teaching of the Faith. Thank you for this deep explanation God Bless you and protect you. I agree the Holy priests and nuns were hurt and still are and some of us are hurt by clergy who now oppose us receiving Jesus on the tongue and tell us things we do not believe, I was told by my Baptism and Confirmation at the Sanctuary that I am worthy to receive the Eucharist in my hands!! I saw a soldier kneeling and told don't start a revolution in here by the 89 year old priest who when the soldier humbly asked for a Blessing instead received JESUS violently shoved into his mouth as he kneeled waiting for a Blessing!!
Pope and the FBI condemning seems like quite an honor
When I heard about this and the unnecessary and malicious actions of the Pope, I, a lifelong Protestant, immediately found a Latin Mass near me and started attending. Conversion could be next.
Thank you from Sacramento/Shingle Springs. I posted the video in my blog.
Peter K nailed it. His knowledge is extensive and his analysis is great. The man is a true, genuine and convincing Roman catholic. May our beloved Lord bless him abundantly.
Thank you! Pax tecum!
Amen! Couldn’t have said it better nor many others.
Fantastic presentation!! Thank you!!
Wonderful discourse.
Thank you, Dr. K.
Mr. Kwasniewski this was an amazing speach and hit many great points. I tried fighting the battle with local priests here in the Boston area and quickly realized who they are working for. Its not a mistake that the Mass that will turn people into Catholics is rejected by the Modernist. Keep fighting the good battle and if you have not read "Work of Human Hands" I would suggest doing so.
Fr Cekada's work is indispensable and excellent (except for his chapter on the "invalidity" of the new Mass, which is very flawed).
Bravo! 🙏🏻✝️🙏🏻
IDEA for Dr. Kwasniewski: publish a book of collected profound thoughts, comments , stories and experiences related to the Latin mass.
It would be gigantic!!
There are already some nice books like this:
tanbooks.com/products/contra-mundi/ever-ancient-ever-new-why-younger-generations-are-embracing-traditional-catholicism/
www.amazon.com/Love-Ruins-Modern-Catholics-Ancient/dp/1892331667/
www.amazon.com/Priest-Seventeen-Independent-Priests-Celebrate/dp/1892331268
(Though this last one is out of print...)
Wow! Absolutely brilliant! I'm oddly proud to know that I am now considered by the FBI to be a terrorist. Look out for granny!
So brilliant! Is there a transcript available for this entire conference ? I would need to « sip » it bit by bit…
I do not presently plan to publish the entire transcript as such, but I will likely share some of it on my Substack "Tradition & Sanity," which you can subscribe to for free here:
traditionsanity.substack.com/
@@DrKwasniewski thank you! I will happily copy the entire text from the video for myself, maybe even translate it in French for my family. They must learn all this!
Brilliant presentation, thank you!!
Is Orthodox Christianity the same as the Traditional Latin Mass? I was born and raised Catholic but being born in the 60s I was exposed only to NO mass (pun intended). I haven't been to a Catholic mass in decades and am feeling the need to go back to the church. I ended up attending a Russian Orthodox church and much preferred this mass over the NO mass that I am familiar with. It had a feeling of sacredness that I never experienced before. Thank you Mr. Kwasniewski for a very informative video.
I would recommend that you try to visit a Traditional Latin Mass -- a sung Mass or solemn Mass if possible. You will find there the West's equivalent to the Divine Liturgy.
Peter Kwasniewski, I believe you were on the roster of speakers at Fr. Nicholas Gruner's Conferences in the 1970's and 1980's. Do you recall an author who wrote a book mentioning that the Southwest was chosen as an early "testing ground" for the modernist errors to be forced on the people of faith, namely Hispanics, because they were taught to never question the priest? I remember reading the book but remember neither title nor author. Would you know? (I attended all conferences, including those in Rome. Sir, you seem very familiar.) I remember Michael Matt, John Vennari, Michael Davies, Chris Ferrari, and others who attended and spoke at the conferences. (My pastor is much interested in obtaining the book.)
You might have confused me with someone else; since I was born in 1971, I couldn't have been part of those conferences! And I haven't heard of the "testing ground" theory.
16:34 wow! This statement resonated with me! 🌳 ❤
When we watch a stage play? When I watch a stage play I may not DO anything but I DO hear the words that accompany the actions
According to experts, a huge part of our communication is non-verbal:
th-cam.com/video/BtJvqzXS3aI/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUfa3dhc25pZXdza2kgbm9uLXZlcmJhbCBsYW5ndWFnZQ%3D%3D
This has obvious liturgical implications, since the old liturgy makes a heavier use of symbol and gesture, while the new liturgy is mostly talking.
"The Vatican II Church"; yes, that's exactly what it is, a new church with a new religion. Not the one i grew up with in the 1950's.
As I understand, The Vatican II Council began in 1962. I was 12 and I remember Catholics were saved by being baptized even as a baby. You confessed sin to the priest and he forgives you and gives you pentance.
You say that the Vatican II Church is a new religion. What was the 50' Church like and how was one saved? Because, what I wrote above is nowhere in the Bible for the Bible says, we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus who did the finished work on the cross for our sake and of course, He is merciful.
Every time this man speaks he is spot on
Unfortunately “Renewal and Insanity” exists. It’s called “Reason and Theology”.
I was thinking the same
Can you fill me in on what you are trying to say? I'm not sure what the "it" you are referring to is.
@@DrKwasniewskiI apologize for the lack of clarity. I wrote my comment as you we’re talking about the lack of enthusiastic commentary for the NO reforms.
“Reason & Theology” is a relatively large channel here on TH-cam that attacks and mocks Traditionalists (especially Taylor Marshall) or anyone to the right of EWTN who struggles with the abuses and dare I say, the neo-Gnosticism that has permeated the Church.
Thank you for all you do Dr Kwasnieski! I finished reading the “Once and Future Roman Rite” it reinvigorated my faith to stand and man the battlements no matter the odds.
+Ave Christus Rex+ ❤️🔥✝️🙏🏻
Got it, now I understand. Yes, I'm aware of that dreadful channel, with its so-tidy-rationalism and refusal to see the elephants parading in the room.
@@DrKwasniewski Exactly! Unfortunately it reminds me far too much of a family member who hides abuse behind reputation.
Dr. K.: is it possible for you to discuss the possibility of the Conclave considering Bishop Schneider for Pope? Thank you.
Any man can be elected pope: a layman, a deacon, a priest, a bishop, a cardinal, it doesn't matter. That has always been church law. However, as the college of cardinals solidified over the centuries, it became customary to elect one of their number.
Well said.
Knowing this I’m gonna start Latin mass, we’re at end times so if they are saying no Latin Catholics allowed then that’s where I need to be
Finally someone tells me why the TLM is better without saying "because the NO Mass has all these problems..." If someone had said " The TLM is contemplative " then I would have understood.
As a cradle Catholic of 70+ years I have lived both the Latin and the Novus Ordo Masses. Both are beautiful and inclusive when done in the manner intended. I usually attend the Novus Ordo because our priests are very traditional with respectful and traditional hymns. I prefer this Mass as I can understand and participate more fully. Several months ago I went to a TLM and was very disappointed because I found it hard to follow, the priest wore no microphone so I could not hear and the readings for the s ruptures did not follow my missal and the priest’s homily was very short and very academic. I was disappointed because I had not felt that way growing up. I think that either form of the Mass can be done reverently or be done either way out there or as a Montana to be completed. Putting that aside, what I think is more important is that we as individuals understand that the basics in both forms is the same. Our participation is dependent upon how much we understand what is happening and our willingness to participate in the prayers. The Mass of the 400s looks more like the Novus Ordo and the TLM. Looks more like that of the 1500s. Both are the Mass- Christ becomes present in the Holy Eucharist and the priest and, we the people offer ourselves to God. Fr. Chris Alar has a podcast on TH-cam that explains the biblical aspects of the Mass and goes through each prayer and explains the actions of the priest during the Mass. Understanding the basics unites us with God and the sacrifice and resurrection of Christ in the same sacrament in both Mass orders. . We both receive Our Lord present in the Eucharist. I do not understand the dispute over which some are trying to divide us. We are One True Holy and Catholic Church. I do not agree with the Pope nor the magisterium who are trying to eliminate the TLM and I do not agree with those who prefer the TLM insistent that that is the only form of Mass recognized. The bottom line is that when we go to Mass, it is our responsibility to adore OurLord in the fullness of whatever way we can best serve and adore Him. Once one understands what is happening during the Mass and understands where and why our prayers and responses come from we can attend Mass anywhere in the world and praise and adore God as Christ and the early fathers taught us. Our intent and participation in what is occurring on that alter is way more important than what form is used. Just my personal thoughts. Would attend TLM from time to time if it were closer to where I live. God bless. With the pressure being placed upon Catholics in this country it is important that we remain United as division is what the powers to be want.
I’d like to direct you to the Mass of the Ages documentaries(both on TH-cam). That may go a long way in showing you why Dr. K and many others embraced the Latin Mass and never looked back. These are beautiful documentaries and you seem an admirer of beauty.
The funny thing is that as an NO attendee I 100% agree with the assessment that the TLM will speak more effectively to Catholics
In my experience, LifeTeen for instance, was a failed attempt at speaking to the younger generation “on their level”. Many of my friends and fam who went through it, despite being quite excited at the time, no longer attend church regularly.
But the traditional movement puts the Vatican in a pretty tough position: ‘accept our terms or watch the Church wither’.
Even if that ultimatum is simply a statement of fact, where do you go from there?
I just have trouble seeing this fight end with Papal Authority in tact.
Maybe I’m missing something; would very much like to hear other’s perspectives on this.
I may be misunderstanding your comment but I really don't think the traditional movement is really doing much to threaten the church as you have said, in my personal experience (living in an intensely novis ordo town) is that the church just seems to rot by itself. The only reason I am still catholic is because of the Latin mass. To everyone else in town who hasn't experienced TLM, they treat their religion like an annoying ritual to do so we don't upset grandma rather than an actual communion with God. Many people I know will just outright say some of the stuff (like Joshua invading the holy land) as actions not inspired by God. They have no theological argument for things like this other than random basic Jesus quotes like "turn the left cheek" when Jesus also said things like, "Sell your cloak and buy a sword" Jesus frequently quotes the old testament and people just are picking what they personally think is divinely inspired like it's a restaurant. People like that usually just convert to some protestant denomination. And most people who defend novis ordo and call me a "holier than though person" will not defend their faith. This post Vatican II catholicism is an unsustainable religion. The fact that the Vatican put themselves in this situation is not any living traditionalist's fault. If anything it's like watching somebody bang their head against a wall saying and saying "If you do that too much you will suffer brain damage" Those are my thoughts, I would like to hear your response.
@@timmyjimmy7413 Thanks for the reply. A lot to respond to there but I’ll try to be succinct:
1)To clarify, I didn’t mean that the TLM is actively hurting the Church or threatening her -I was just saying that they’ve proposed a kind of ultimatum to Rome. (An Ultimatum= ‘I demand _____ or _______ will happen’)
2) on The Novus Ordo Churches ‘rotting’ by themselves.
-I think you probably have a point.
But lemme point out that today’s wandering Catholic isn’t truly choosing between The Novus Ordo (NO) and the Traditional Mass (TLM) alone. The secular world has been beckoning the whole time and is only getting louder. My guess is that there’s a portion of the Church that would be on its way out no matter what and the NO can’t fully take the blame for an entire culture.
The remaining question then is what’s the best way to keep the people who are still on the Fence (and even to attract new converts)?
I think we both agree here-Tradition is the best way to go.
One of my main points though is that the Papacy is a part of that tradition and (even though YOU haven’t been too abrasive) many trads I come across speak about Pope Francis with an attitude ranging from indignation to ‘he’s a false pope’ to ‘I’m okay with schism’.
3.) The TLM itself is not the same as the TLM *Movement*.
-I’ve never been to a full high mass yet, but I know from everything I’ve seen that it is beautiful. Even elements of the TLM that have started to come back at the local NO parishes have been a real gift to our weekly Masses.
But the online trad movement is quite another thing altogether. Mr. Kwazniewski says that the crackdown has nothing to do with bad behavior from traditionalists, but maybe that depends on your perspective. The aggression I’ve seen from some towards the pope (not to mention a host of other questionable political affiliations is disturbing)
4) There are plenty of non-trad resources that are doing plenty of good for the Church: Bible in A Year, Catechism in a year, Trent Horn, to name a few. The Internet has been
5) You’re really not gonna like this but, here it goes): I think in a lot of ways we’re asking too much of priests. A priest is there to perform the mass, and deliver the sacraments. Never EVER was there a Church consisting of all perfect clergy. I only say this because the bulk of reasons I hear for people leaving the NO or Church are about the hypocrisy of people or priests. Mmh 🫤
Now, I perfectly understand if a person wants the TLM to be the form the priest says. But even scandal isn’t a great reason for not studying your faith deeper and reflecting it back out to the people around you.
@@timmyjimmy7413 sorry for word wall
Specifically with regard to papal authority: I think that one side benefit of this crisis may be a more thoughtful view of papal power. A lot of conservative Catholics attack the traditionalists for defying or criticizing the pope, and I don't think that it's just the rude tone of some of us (regrettable though that may be). There is a perception that the pope is above any criticism, and whatever he says goes. This mentality is a recent development since Vatican One. I don't mean that infallibility is wrong, but some people think that any judgment the pope makes is so. At that council, one of the strongest supporters of papal authority was a Spanish bishop. He said that a pope could fall into material heresy out of misinformation, but not out of malice. That's a far cry from the conservative position. Every crisis in the Church causes problems but leads to some more doctrinal clarity.
Glory to God!
Thank you amen
Good Bishops, like Bishop Barron, are making sure that the Pope's efforts to cancel the Latin Mass are not successful in their dioceses. . .
Still at the end of 2024??
His policy is called
“Maximum Destruction “
He is succeeding!
Such a shame that a Pope would suggest such; it seems to me to be like shooting the Church in the foot by denying some of it's more dedicated, or simply seaching, a voice.
Modern FBI so far to the left they make Joseph Stalin blush
Dr. Kwasniewski is as always excellent. He should be happy to see my letter which i have recently sent to our NO Bishop. You will be laughing at the same time. God bless 🙏🎉🙏
FBI wasn’t touched upon too much.
That's true. I suppose I should have made more clear my implicit claim that the reason the FBI is interested in traditional Catholics is analogous to the reason Francis is obsessed with them: they represent a "creative minority" that is a threat to the establishment.
@@DrKwasniewski No worries. I've done the same, myself. There's always tomorrow!
I love it. Let's not go back to the 1970 past. Let's be the progressive Church of taking our beautiful traditions into the future
But yet Bergoglio is siding and aiding SSPX. He just appointed a SSPX Bishop in Pennsylvania. SSPX is the most traditionally ardent group that fought against this heresy only to be called “schismatics.” Bergoglio says they are not “schismatics,” but the other traditional groups are schismatics? What is up his sleeve with his duplicitous behaviors? Is he about to hit the SSPX?
"He just appointed a SSPX Bishop in Pennsylvania." Can you elaborate on this?
Hes got a plan for sure
Having just watched the Coronation of King Charles, it was steeped in tradition and passive. Pope Francis highly respects first nation traditions and participates in their ceremonies, e.g. in Canada, in South America, in Africa etc. Pope Francis just allowed the Anglican tradition to celebrate their traditional liturgy in St John Lateran. So it seems highly hypocritical then to eradicate our own tradition!!! But having read Dr Warren Carroll's Church History, it was John Knox's and William Cecil's goal in the Protestant Reformation to eradicate the Mass and any belief in the Real Presence. Now our leader's do it themselves. No wonder Our Blessed Mother asks us to pray the Rosary and to make sacrifices for the conversion of poor sinners.
You might enjoy this article at my Substack "Tradition & Sanity":
traditionsanity.substack.com/p/the-coronation-a-lesson-in-the-value
Thank you!
NBPJCH God bless you
IT SEEMS THAT THE PLAN WOULD BE TO REACH AS MANY AS POSSIBLE. THIS SEEMS POLITICAL. This is antithecal to the "claimed" cause of the Church. Preference, in this, should be supported; we should never close a door to Faith. That said, God Bless the Church and The Pope.
Is the saint caught up in ecstasy not in active participation with God? Thank you; God bless and protect you.
Thankyou
They are in need of absolute control to try and prove they are relevant to the world and yet do not see the contradiction .
No, they don't even want that. Communists that hate you are destroying the Church incrementally on purpose.
Comes to my mind and heart when Jesus Christ was chastised because he entered the home into of a gentile and shared a meal. We are being told by the pope that it is ignorant and backward to enter the sacred sacrament of mass if it is said in Latin. Did our Lord say we should pray together, but he did not designate any language. The apostles were by the Holy Spirit given the knowledge of other languages, so they could tell all peoples of our Lord, and again no specific language was designated. I love the Latin Mass because it closes the outside world and focuses my mind on the adoration of The Holy Trinity. My faith is with me constant in God in any language, but I more and more question the changes that have taken within the Catholic Church. I know my faith is simplistic, but has been steadfast throughout all the trials of life.
9:30 “..not the majority who float along with the spirit of the age.”
I’m completely for the return to tradition but I think this is where the biggest oversight lies.
The Spirit of the Age is the Internet.
Increased awareness of the TLM has been great but it’s a little obtuse to ignore where it’s come from. (Again the Internet)
People online are returning to many different traditions (some good and some questionable), the Church has really only gotten a slice of the pie. (A big and beautiful slice, yes🙏 )
But if we uncritically accept all opposition to the Vatican’s agenda, we might be biting off more than we can chew.
Why exactly is it a problem to say that knowledge of tradition has come via the internet? God can make use of Noah's dove or Balaam's donkey to communicate his message; why not photos of a solemn Mass on New Liturgical Movement? In any case, no intelligent traditionalist "accepts ALL opposition to the Vatican's agenda" (not even sure what that means).
Is there any such thing as a TLM universalist?
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I don't understand. Latin Mass growing. Young families joining and expanding their faith. My church, new order, is getting older and declining during mass. Seems the younger families are growing faster and increasing donations. Makes sense to encourage not reduce the Latin Mass.
Yes, of course - unless you actually hate the Faith and the faithful. Then you would want to crush them.
Unfortunately the final part of your talk is missing in the end.
Yes, I didn't realize that until after the video was posted. I just posted in a comment the missing text, and I'll post the last 5 minutes in video form later.
@@DrKwasniewski : thank-you so very much! God love you! 🙏
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If you are "being passive" at the Traditional Latin Mass, then, I would argue that you are doing it wrong, Pick up a missal. Learn the liturgy. Pray the prayers mindfully during the mass. Allow yourself to be fully present and to be moved by the spirit.
I agree that it is very helpful to follow a missal, at least much of the time, until it becomes second nature.
Excellent presentation, but the ending was disquietingly abrupt.
Yes - I explained what happened in my pinned comment above, where you can read the last few paragraphs of the talk. My apologies for the glitch.
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for some reason current pope has a dislike/distaste for the Latin Mass. one wonders why that is.
It's because sadly he needs to convert. He is not Catholic. An unrepentant and arrogant soul is a tool of Satan. Satan HATES the true sacrifice of the Mass.
Stop believing that the "church of the new advent" begins with Francis.
I don't believe that at all. But he is the most extreme bad fruit of modern theology.
Some people make the comment is pope Francis, the pope; I will ask a serious question, Not a joke; is pope Francis a Catholic, the weight of evidence says unfortunately NO.
I'm going to start the renewal and Insanity I will start that
Someone beat you to it (and it's hilarious!):
insanityrenewal.substack.com/
One big error of trads is that they preserve the faith. NO brothers grow in faith, catechise, have gifts of the Holy Spirit (profecies, tongues, gift of knowledge...) a d
and the Eucharist in both species.
All Catholics rites "have the Eucharist in both species," as the priest must always consecrate and consume both. But since Our Lord is really, fully, substantially, personally present under EACH species, it is more than sufficient for a layman to receive under one form (or the other - as with a celiac who cannot receive a host but can receive the precious Blood).
Those who do not preserve the Faith will end up losing it.
Every reason you propose for the bishops to adhere to the errors of VII is probably correct and no one can be more imperious than the bishops who believe they are princes and who exercise absolute power in their dioceses. However, your reasons do not explain the pope’s destructive actions. His actions emanate from evil. There can be no other explanation of pachama, the Chinese agreement, the appointment of morally compromised men, his love affair with the LBQXYZ agenda, communion for abortion promoters, etc.
If you call yourself the universal church then why is Latin superior to other languages?
See this lecture, which explains both why Latin is the best language for the LATIN-rite Church, and why other sacred languages are appropriate in their own contexts:
rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2022/06/why-latin-is-right-language-for-roman.html
Traditionalists are not a creative minority. The big problem with traditionalists is that despite you all being mostly correct about liturgy you are unfortunately coupling your understanding of liturgy with a toxic conservative ideology that has little Catholic way of thinking. For example, Peter sites Francis and his cohorts love of liberation theology, but thats typical traditionalist reply without knowing about what JPII said in 1987 about liberation theology.
Perhaps more of us need to read Hillenbrand and better understand the connection between good liturgy and Catholic social action as one good starting point.
This seems like a red herring. Either traditionalist are correct about liturgical matters, or they are not, independently of their particular social commitments. After all, one could be a monarchist or a democrat, a capitalist or a socialist, and from either point of view advocate for either traditional rites or modern ones. Indeed, examples can be found historically.
However, I would say that the Catholics who are most seriously interested in Catholic Social Teaching are the traditionalists, because they take the preconciliar Magisterium seriously, and that Magisterium was nothing if not serious about politics, ethics, and culture. The liberals do not have a monopoly on social ethics or care for the poor.
@@DrKwasniewski traditionalists are correct about many things pertaining to liturgy but not everything. Historically I don't see many trads who advocate for socialism though, but there are problems with so-called Catholic socialism.
And why not also take the post conciliar magisterium seriously? From observations, there aren't many trads who take CST seriously, they treat it as if it's a liberal pipe dream. Nevertheless it would help if more trads took CST more seriously, from Rerum Novarum thru Fratelli Tutti, not just RN and Quadragesimo Anno. Also, I'm not saying liberals have a monopoly on social ethics or caring for the poor, the problem is that not enough trads and conservatives care about social justice and ethics and social charity, and would rather just only talk theology. It's like they're actually allowing liberals to have a monopoly on social ethics and caring for poor. It starts with trust. More trads need to trust what the magisterium has said about subsidiarity, solidarity, property rights, universal destination of goods, authentic development of people, care for the environment, just wages and workers rights, otherwise liberals will continue to run roughshod on social ethics and justice with their messed up ideology.
@@MontfortracingYou are better read and more informed than me. My main reason for attending the Latin Mass is to save my soul through traditional Catholic teachings and Doctrine. This commitment flows into following Church social teachings. I help folks, particularly with car repair. I donate to a traditional order of Nuns who educate poor children. And I am on the board of directors for a Catholic prolife organization. Many trads help others in their own way. This work is done for the glory of God. My thoughts.
@@marccrotty8447 what you do is quite commendable and that's great you attend the TLM to preserve your soul, because that's where you feel you can be more Christ-like. I just hope that more traditionalists embrace the full breadth of Catholic social doctrine and not just pick and choose the ones they like. But that goes for Catholics on the left as well.
Though the history perhaps is accurate, you are not making any argument for the TLM other than “new mass bad” like a liberal claiming “orange man bad” in the case of Trump. I’ll have to look more into this since the heady knowledge reeks of casuistry to me.
You can find ample resources on this question not only in my other lectures but in scholarly works by other authors like:
www.amazon.com/Traditional-Mass-History-Theology-Classical/dp/1621385248
www.amazon.com/Roman-Mass-Christian-Origins-Tridentine/dp/1108832458/
A tour de force.. wow
MAGA culpa MAGA Maxima culpa 😀
I was hoping you weren't going to obscure the jew issue commonality also. Then you used the "woke" euphemism for the takkun olam behavior agenda of the historic enemies of the church.😮 You had the opportunity to step ahead and make a difference by appealing to cause but, by sticking to effect citations you didn't.
Honestly I have no idea what you are talking about.
@@DrKwasniewski
Fair enough. There's a great deal of collective naieve acceptance of terms (and narratives) at the surface level even though they have an occult intent. Simply that "woke" is the next euphemism acceptance segue from the current judaio-masonic "post-Christendom"
materialist usurping human-centric order (i.e. democratic republics) that replaced Christ's kingdom of Church-corrinated kings, to the actual inverse/opposite talmudic or satanic order.
I hope that's helpful.
Even if you think that pope Francis I is a bad one, which you have every right to believe, I do hope that you are not sedevacantists? (Believing, that pope Francis "is not a legitimate" pope?)
That would be a heresy, you know.
I am not a sedevacantist and have written quite a bit against that error.
@@DrKwasniewski thank you, that's a relief to hear.
I unfortunately came across American Catholics that are... They claim, that for example Luminous Mysteries added by saint pope John Paul II are not "real" mysteries, because all popes after Vatican II, are not real popes, called me "a modernist" for explaining, that a pope is a pope, although I perceive myself as conservative. It was first time, I've encountered such thinking. I didn't even expect someone could come up with something like this.
One thing is saying, that pope makes bad decisions, or is having bad intentions, but the other is claiming, that he is not a real pope.
In our history we had popes, that were adulterers, were vain, and extremely greedy, some of them might have had very little or no faith in God, and we still acknowledge them as popes. Why would we reject our current popes? It would be against the words of Jesus, that saint Peter is a foundation of His Church and the gates of hell, will not prevail it. There is no Church if there is no structure. Especially if there is no head of it. No matter what moral status that person would posess.
If there would be no head, it would mean that "the gates of hell" indeed had prevailed it - which we know from Jesus, would never happen, because He said so.
So - there is a head present. There always was and will be. Till the end of times.
How about believing that a non-Catholic can be the Pope? That's heresy, you know....
@@greyhoundmama2062 such a poor try. Jesus specifically said, that His Church will last, and gates of hell will not prevail it. To exist the Church needs to have a structure. Especially the head. If you believe that our pope is not a pope, then you don't believe what Jesus said. That is heresy.
@@e.zalewska2285 "If you believe that our pope is not a pope" Sedes say that Begoglio does not have papal authority.
Kwasniewski once wrote in One Peter Five that JP II was one of the worst popes of all time. Let that sink in for a while.
In point of fact, I wrote no such thing. Only that his pontificate included severe problems that we could objectively identify.
onepeterfive.com/lessons-church-history-papal-lapses/
There was a time when I would have thought such a statement absurd. Now, with what I've learned, I regret to say that at the very least, he is hardly "St JP 2 the Great" that they claim him to be.
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Please stop being silly! The issue is one of obedience to the Pope and not the Latin Mass.
"The issue is not whether Biden is pro-abortion or pro-life; it's one of obedience to the Commander in Chief."
"The issue is not whether Hitler is pro-Semite or anti-Semite; it's one of obedience to the nation's Leader."
"The issue is not whether a Pope is pro-tradition or anti-tradition, pro-Catholic or anti-Catholic; it's one of obedience to the Head Bishop."
I have a book you might be interested in:
www.amazon.com/True-Obedience-Church-Discernment-Challenging/dp/1644136740/
@@DrKwasniewski : it's a most excellent book! Thank-you again!
Obedience to a leader regardless if he is right or wrong is the definition of a Cult. Is that what Jesus would have one do...? If you think so, why did He slam the Pharisees ...
I thought we obey truth, which Christ, and His revelation. Papal idolatry is a sin, worshipping a man as God is a sin, blind obedience to error is not a virtue.
@@TruthSeeker-333 the pope is His vicar, His Vice President on earth. No idolatry is there unless one has an autistic insistence that these be conflated (Protestantism). However, there does come a time when we need to remember Who the President is and follow Him and His Tradition should the vicar abrogate his duties as main shepherd on earth
still i don't understand. I have to call 'papa' 'pope' to the person who offers my soul to hell? why you all knowing that this man nothing but pagan shaman you call him 'pope' not 'anti-pope? do you show weakness of fidelity? are you loyal to Christ or imposters? Pope is a vicar of Christ, can not be a pappa-pachamamas.
Your objection is based on a false conflation of the Vicar of Christ and Christ Himself. A vicar can, of course, be a failure; he can abuse his office; he can fail to represent the one whom he is supposed to represent. The Church guarantees that the pope will be right ONLY when he speaks "ex cathedra" on a matter of faith and morals, or when he speaks in unison with the universal ordinary magisterium of the episcopacy.
Very articulate and moderate! Congratulations! The Catholic hierarchy should hear you, for their personal aggiornamento.🩵🩵🩵