Season 6 Leader Board Point structure is as follows: (+6 WINNER, +4 Second, +2 Third, +0 Fourth, +1 First Blood, +1 Archenemy). In ties, all players split the total points of the places evenly. Game 22: Crim: 80 + 0 (+0 Fourth) Richard: 104 + 5 (+5 First [Tie]) Seth: 106 + 2 (+2 Third) Tomer: 81 + 6 (+5 First [Tie], +1 First Blood) __________________________________________________ Final Scores: Richard: 109 [Lead Change] Seth: 108 Tomer: 87 Crim: 80
Yes Tomer this is what I wanted, Yes Tomer I am entertained! Oh my god what was even happening! Probably the most fitting end for this week, just beautiful!
18:45 I mean, he doesn't right now, but you KNOW that as soon as someone is comboing off the card will magically appear in his hand. Richard just believes in the heart of the cards and pulls it out of thin air.
Starting a bit after 59:00 Seth could've executed a pretty silly hold-priority chain. Tomer's Psionic Sliver + Seth's Spiteful Sliver means that each of Seth's slivers can tap for 5 damage to an opponent, and Darkheart Sliver will allow him to stop everyone else from responding. You hold-priority to tap a sliver to Psionic an opponent, then respond that that with the NEXT hold-priority Psionic effect down the line, with the last one ALSO being a hold-priority tap so that you can respond to that with a hold-priority sacrifice Reflex Sliver via Darkheart's added ability, that you can then respond to by sacrificing Darkheart itself. (Note that Reflex in this case won't get the Spiteful trigger, so plan accordingly - regardless, you'll want to kill Crim with the Psionic/Spiteful triggers.) (Note also that most of Seth's slivers are big enough to survive the Psionic backlash.) Because no one else has priority during this sequence, their creatures won't be able to take advantage of Reflex's granted haste, nor will they be able to be sacrificed to Darkheart to gain life. The end result of this sequence is Crim dead, with Seth at a huge life total (from Syphon Sliver + Essence Sliver) and a highly-sculpted hand, with Richard and Tomer left with only a small number of slivers vs Seth's enormous board of them, meaning that Seth will soon be able to take advantage of Telekinetic Sliver to Opposition Richard and Tomer out of the game. Also, Seth still has Dormant Sliver to stop a sudden Sliver Legion/Coat of Arms retaliatory strike (presumably, Seth has some other way to rid himself of Dormant Sliver for a future win). (It's also possible that it's correct to sac a few other slivers before sacrificing Darkheart in this sequence, like Screeching Sliver or possibly Dormant. Since Seth only _needs_ to kill Crim to ensure future dominance, keeping a few untapped slivers could be fine too.)
I mean, keeping track of power and toughness would be a pain in paper, but I thought of a way to keep track of the abilities; using paper or dry erase board, write a reference list for abilities all slivers have and a set of lists of abilities that are specific to each player (new slivers). When a sliver enters or leaves the battlefield, update the list. It’s not the easiest thing to do, but it seems doable.
You can't use Unnatural Selection to turn things into Walls because at the time it was printed (Onslaught block), Walls had special rules meaning (this was removed in Kamigawa with the creation of defender). The except-Wall-restriction is kept so the printed wording still matches the Oracle effect. (The original printing also prevented you from choosing Legend, as this was before that was removed as a subtype, also in Kamigawa.)
Perhaps the greatest MTG experience of my life was coaching my friend during a 8 person sliver free for all at my LGS, but due to first sliver shenanigans this surpassed even that. Can't remember when I last laughed so much at an EDH game
As for how to do this on paper, there's some catches. While the game was 8 person, due to being a store event there was about 16 other people just watching and comenting, plus we had banned some of the more chaotic trigger happy slivers (and unfun ones like queen, overlord and venomous) like constricting and diffusion, but we also still missed a bunch of triggers and by the end people had to set some d20 by their boards to count how much 1+/1+ they were getting from lords and banners.
In other words: It's possible, it's fun, and I would never wish for another soul to try and handle more triggers than about 20 people can even register at once in a single mtg game (Mind you that the store owner was playing, and he is one of the best judges I know, and even he kept forgetting some triggers every turn).
37:50 tomer could have cast the black sliver instead to be able to sac slivers for double black, then after the cascade he'd have another 5 mana black sliver to cascade, many more chances for the haste slivers or black slivers for more cascade than just casting the green sliver :P
Is this what we asked for? I didn't personally. Is this what I wanted? Oh yes, and I didn't even know it. This isn't quite there but I personally want to see a "break Mtgo" week where the winner is whoever is responsible for the game reaching a state that crashes and restarts Mtgo. If you do it fast enough you can even get multiple "games" in!
How come it was late going up? Got up at 6.30am GMT to watch ‘Clash before family woke up and no sign of this. Now going to have to watch it in bed. Don’t think the wife will be impressed with me giggling at the crew whilst she is trying to sleep....
I feel like I've never seen a Slivers deck as a one of in Commander type card play. You guys need to do a Sliver month, where you rotate the player that uses a Sliver Deck while the other players can use whatever they want. Let us see if Slivers can hold it's own against the jank, competitive, & just plain fair deck builds.
My money’s on Richard. If it’s a jank Tribal week (and if everyone is running Slivers, it’s definitely jank Tribal), you gotta trust in history repeating itself.
Pretty sure Tomer could've started to win if he had used his last land for black instead of green, casting the Basal Sliver. That way, if Basal Sliver failed, he could've sacced 2 slivers to cast his Plague Sliver, getting a whole other try xD
You all should of drafted the slivers and changelings with everyone being able to play all the five color slivers it how we do it at my group. Basically there only 2 of each once they both gone no other players can have that sliver. With exception of the Mana slivers.
I think Tomers line of casting Gigantic Sliver as opposed to Basal Sliver was wrong. He could have sacked into Plague Sliver and hadd a higher probability of hitting the haste sliver
I want to actually see the most competitive sliver decks with tutors etc and see people trying to win instead of just dicking around lol. It was entertaining though. That ending though...
horsemanship just means your creature can only be blocked by other creatures with horsemanship, like flying just re keyworded. Banding is a nightmare rules wise, but the basic idea is that you create a "band" when you attack a band consists of any number creatures with banding and one without, and a band must be blocked as a group and when it is blocked you get to choose the order your opponent's creatures deal damage and to what creature. but there are lots of asterisks.
The trick to understanding banding is to understand the _benefit_ of banding. If any attacking/blocking instance includes a creature you control with banding, then YOU get to decide how the opponent's creatures deal damage, not them, and you get the bonus of ignoring the normal damage assignment rules -- like how blockers were ordered or the whole 'you must assign lethal damage before moving on to the next creature' thing; instead, you just distribute the opposing damage however you want amongst your creatures (normally this would result in either all of your creatures surviving with just-less-than-lethal damage on them, or one of your creatures taking the fall so that all the others live). Since double/triple/etc blocking already exists in the rules, on defense you just need a single creature with banding to be block a creature in order for all of your other creatures involved in that block to benefit from banding. But 'multi-attacking' isn't a thing in normal Magic rules, so banding's secondary ability introduces a hack to allow you to 'multi-attack.' That's where the weird band rules come from. (Any number of creatures with banding, plus up to one without, and blocking any of them causes them all to become blocked.)
Tomer distractedly entering the creature type "herald" for Herald's Horn as he talks with his friends at 11:00 is my favourite part so far
It's Seth pithing needle his pithing needle all over again xD
When you were all trying to work out which sliver was giving flying, all your slivers had reach...
Sounds like us.
I love that Tomer typed "Herald" when selecting a creature type for Herald's Horn
Just like episode 19 herald tribal
44:02 this is where turn 6 starts...all the way up to 1:35:20!
Btw, Crim, is that a PARADOX ENGINE in your deck list? What is this, a pre-recorded game? :o
@@kaszael the games are recorded about a week before they're uploaded; so this was preban.
But crazy game ending things before turn 10 aren't in the spirit of the format kappa.
I can't believe the sliver player won the game.
You posted this before watching, didn't you?
Wow, spoiler!
Samuel Sumuel Spoilers!
Come on spoilers
It was so easy as a prediction but nonetheless it turned out wrong.
Did y’all seriously cut out crim yelling “420 BLAZE IT” when Seth’s clock hit 4:20? Seth’s clock jumps from 4:20 to 4:15.
Edit: time stamp @ 1:44:35
weak
We should adopt "Dies to MOTO" as how to describe Seth decks. Or maybe make a podcast, and have Vince as a cohost.
You guys could do an episode of running all the cards that break mtgo. First one to freeze the game wins and if you kill someone else you lose.
That actually could be pretty fun :)
Kogan13 Maybe make killing allowed with breaking mtgo as an alternate win condition?
Yes. It's definitely Richard with the Teferi's Protection. Definitely
Season 6 Leader Board
Point structure is as follows: (+6 WINNER, +4 Second, +2 Third, +0 Fourth, +1 First Blood, +1 Archenemy). In ties, all players split the total points of the places evenly.
Game 22:
Crim: 80 + 0 (+0 Fourth)
Richard: 104 + 5 (+5 First [Tie])
Seth: 106 + 2 (+2 Third)
Tomer: 81 + 6 (+5 First [Tie], +1 First Blood)
__________________________________________________
Final Scores:
Richard: 109 [Lead Change]
Seth: 108
Tomer: 87
Crim: 80
*Types “herald” into Herald’s Horn*
Yes Tomer this is what I wanted, Yes Tomer I am entertained!
Oh my god what was even happening! Probably the most fitting end for this week, just beautiful!
reading sleevers texts is like reading any yugioh card
sleevers.
*sleevers.*
why mate
OMG you all told you will never repeat this again XD
23:54 Crim just flushed his mana away instea of dumping everithing on mirror entitiy?
Yes he did.
Jesus christ. Seth's 6th turn took 40 minutes. That has to be a record.
Tomer: “Is this not what you wanted?”
Me: “... This is not what I wanted.”
Tomer playing all the creatures in his deck while Crim has a Living Death in hand? *chef's kiss*
I'm pretty sure this is what everyone was waiting for!
Yay, I spent all night waiting for this
18:45 I mean, he doesn't right now, but you KNOW that as soon as someone is comboing off the card will magically appear in his hand. Richard just believes in the heart of the cards and pulls it out of thin air.
I'm extremely entertained Tomer, that was the greatest ending to commander clash, part 3 when please
Plague Sliver seems like a natural first pick for all of these decks
And this is how we got our first timeout on Commander Clash!
I had time to cook diner, eat diner, shave and get dressed to go out while watching that long infamous Seth turn
I have never been more exited for a TH-cam video in my life!!!!!
You guys are real masochist
And I love it
The thumbnail with the baby slivers is adorable.
Watched it all the way through. Loved every moment.
Are we just going to gloss over the editing to censor Krim's 420 reference lmao
Ian Beattie timecode?
Starting a bit after 59:00 Seth could've executed a pretty silly hold-priority chain. Tomer's Psionic Sliver + Seth's Spiteful Sliver means that each of Seth's slivers can tap for 5 damage to an opponent, and Darkheart Sliver will allow him to stop everyone else from responding. You hold-priority to tap a sliver to Psionic an opponent, then respond that that with the NEXT hold-priority Psionic effect down the line, with the last one ALSO being a hold-priority tap so that you can respond to that with a hold-priority sacrifice Reflex Sliver via Darkheart's added ability, that you can then respond to by sacrificing Darkheart itself. (Note that Reflex in this case won't get the Spiteful trigger, so plan accordingly - regardless, you'll want to kill Crim with the Psionic/Spiteful triggers.) (Note also that most of Seth's slivers are big enough to survive the Psionic backlash.)
Because no one else has priority during this sequence, their creatures won't be able to take advantage of Reflex's granted haste, nor will they be able to be sacrificed to Darkheart to gain life. The end result of this sequence is Crim dead, with Seth at a huge life total (from Syphon Sliver + Essence Sliver) and a highly-sculpted hand, with Richard and Tomer left with only a small number of slivers vs Seth's enormous board of them, meaning that Seth will soon be able to take advantage of Telekinetic Sliver to Opposition Richard and Tomer out of the game. Also, Seth still has Dormant Sliver to stop a sudden Sliver Legion/Coat of Arms retaliatory strike (presumably, Seth has some other way to rid himself of Dormant Sliver for a future win).
(It's also possible that it's correct to sac a few other slivers before sacrificing Darkheart in this sequence, like Screeching Sliver or possibly Dormant. Since Seth only _needs_ to kill Crim to ensure future dominance, keeping a few untapped slivers could be fine too.)
Plague Sliver would do a number on Seth, but with so much life (10 gained per sliver tapped, minus a bit) it's possible it wouldn't matter.
@2:05:55 Seth: "I'm sensing an epic Tomer punt in the near future" hahahhahaha
I mean, keeping track of power and toughness would be a pain in paper, but I thought of a way to keep track of the abilities; using paper or dry erase board, write a reference list for abilities all slivers have and a set of lists of abilities that are specific to each player (new slivers). When a sliver enters or leaves the battlefield, update the list. It’s not the easiest thing to do, but it seems doable.
Seth "not a lot of crestures on the battlefield." In what world is 39 creatures not alot?
Thank you. This is exactly what we wanted.
For a second I thought it was 2 games in 1 video.. I should have known better.
You can't use Unnatural Selection to turn things into Walls because at the time it was printed (Onslaught block), Walls had special rules meaning (this was removed in Kamigawa with the creation of defender). The except-Wall-restriction is kept so the printed wording still matches the Oracle effect. (The original printing also prevented you from choosing Legend, as this was before that was removed as a subtype, also in Kamigawa.)
Lol the game this week how much damage can we do to mtgo. It suffered too much in this game
11:00 that moment when you type herald's horn in herald's horn
What did Seth say at 31:37?
I see that editing at 1:44:33
Seeing this with mana echos, prismite actually would have been a good inclusion to filter for colors.
Perhaps the greatest MTG experience of my life was coaching my friend during a 8 person sliver free for all at my LGS, but due to first sliver shenanigans this surpassed even that.
Can't remember when I last laughed so much at an EDH game
As for how to do this on paper, there's some catches. While the game was 8 person, due to being a store event there was about 16 other people just watching and comenting, plus we had banned some of the more chaotic trigger happy slivers (and unfun ones like queen, overlord and venomous) like constricting and diffusion, but we also still missed a bunch of triggers and by the end people had to set some d20 by their boards to count how much 1+/1+ they were getting from lords and banners.
In other words: It's possible, it's fun, and I would never wish for another soul to try and handle more triggers than about 20 people can even register at once in a single mtg game (Mind you that the store owner was playing, and he is one of the best judges I know, and even he kept forgetting some triggers every turn).
The greatest display of MTGO's power, to this date.
I was already grinning the first few sentences in ^^
37:50 tomer could have cast the black sliver instead to be able to sac slivers for double black, then after the cascade he'd have another 5 mana black sliver to cascade, many more chances for the haste slivers or black slivers for more cascade than just casting the green sliver :P
Unnatural selection doesn't let you choose wall as a type because it's from before defender existed. When "walls can't attack" was an explicit rule.
gophermanX I thought it was just because you can’t really turn into a wall.
Crim's wrath was the best thing I've seen in awhile
1:34:00 beard tribal commander clash?
Dismissing your revealed zone should help with the lag.
Is this what we asked for? I didn't personally. Is this what I wanted? Oh yes, and I didn't even know it.
This isn't quite there but I personally want to see a "break Mtgo" week where the winner is whoever is responsible for the game reaching a state that crashes and restarts Mtgo. If you do it fast enough you can even get multiple "games" in!
I think M15 Slivers should be banned. If you make another one be any chance.
EDH: The Movie. Get your IMDB credits
Showcasing and highlighting moto in the highest potential - Tomer 2019
55:04 Was that Neature Walk reference intentional? Either way, fugin loved it
11:04 what type was tomer searching for lol
Herald
I wonder who will have the first First Sliver?
I think after this week crim is officially my favorite season guest!!
modo lasted a total of 9 turns before exploding, and it only took over two hours!
Can I find the MTGGoldfish Commander ban list somewhere?
Standard with also: Cyclonic Rift, Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, and Sol Ring
I'm 100% sure this is what we wanted
For some odd reason I have the feeling that Crim is the actual winner. Except he didn't get food, so maybe he really, really lost.
You guys should do an all praetor week again and see how the decks will change with a ton of new sets that have been added
The madness. It's so satisfying.
@38:30 you could've just looped etbs and killed everyone but seth because of the lava belly and constricting sliver
Crim with the secret Paradox Engine, lol.
Fun Fact, at the time that enchantment was printed, defender didn't exist and the inability to attack was inherit to the wall creature type.
The more you know
How come it was late going up? Got up at 6.30am GMT to watch ‘Clash before family woke up and no sign of this. Now going to have to watch it in bed. Don’t think the wife will be impressed with me giggling at the crew whilst she is trying to sleep....
Chandra's Ignition deals damage to ALL OTHER creatures in addition to each opponent. The only creature not hit is the one you cast it on.
I feel like I've never seen a Slivers deck as a one of in Commander type card play. You guys need to do a Sliver month, where you rotate the player that uses a Sliver Deck while the other players can use whatever they want. Let us see if Slivers can hold it's own against the jank, competitive, & just plain fair deck builds.
If you just right click instead of zoom in I believe it will show the text full size???
My money’s on Richard. If it’s a jank Tribal week (and if everyone is running Slivers, it’s definitely jank Tribal), you gotta trust in history repeating itself.
In edh, slivers is very much not jank. People die very quickly
Slivers aren't jank...
Imagine casting a mirrorweave on a virulent sliver
It's kinda cool that no sliver deck actually won in sliver week
This is way funnier than game knights I love it
the game ended exactly as expected lol
Congrats on hitting 200 k subs!
Ego Erasure- 2 and a blue, Tribal Instant- Creatures target player controls get -2/0 and lose all creature types until end of turn.
This week on Commander Crash
Pretty sure Tomer could've started to win if he had used his last land for black instead of green, casting the Basal Sliver. That way, if Basal Sliver failed, he could've sacced 2 slivers to cast his Plague Sliver, getting a whole other try xD
Wait no homing sliver?
I think that you guys should do another jank tribal week.
The First Sliver: Exists
Commander Clash: am I a joke to you?
Seth VS Vince(PleasantKenobi)
Modern tribal
Slivers vs Elementals
GO....
You all should of drafted the slivers and changelings with everyone being able to play all the five color slivers it how we do it at my group. Basically there only 2 of each once they both gone no other players can have that sliver. With exception of the Mana slivers.
I think Tomers line of casting Gigantic Sliver as opposed to Basal Sliver was wrong. He could have sacked into Plague Sliver and hadd a higher probability of hitting the haste sliver
it would have also negated the living death.
I like Tomer’s Cowboy Bebop wallpaper
This would have been an awesome for Helix Pinnacle LUL
Okay. Next sliver week should be Hivelord v First v Queen v Legion
I'll be honest guys, a "X Minutes later" card once or twice on Seth's turn may have been the way to go
That was beautiful all around.
I want to actually see the most competitive sliver decks with tutors etc and see people trying to win instead of just dicking around lol. It was entertaining though.
That ending though...
Crim getting cut at 420 was so dumb 😂
next week on commander clash esper control
Well. I never saw the sliver win coming.
If tomer hadnt paid 2 w for the constricting sliver he could have played harmonic sliver
That was horribly beautiful~
Tomer should of gave richard or Crim a spirit every time saffron casted just to add to the lag
1:58:22 we are still here tomer 😭
welp, just looking at the title you know they will regret this later.
Hey I learned what flanking is, now just to learn horsemanship and banding
horsemanship just means your creature can only be blocked by other creatures with horsemanship, like flying just re keyworded.
Banding is a nightmare rules wise, but the basic idea is that you create a "band" when you attack a band consists of any number creatures with banding and one without, and a band must be blocked as a group and when it is blocked you get to choose the order your opponent's creatures deal damage and to what creature. but there are lots of asterisks.
The trick to understanding banding is to understand the _benefit_ of banding. If any attacking/blocking instance includes a creature you control with banding, then YOU get to decide how the opponent's creatures deal damage, not them, and you get the bonus of ignoring the normal damage assignment rules -- like how blockers were ordered or the whole 'you must assign lethal damage before moving on to the next creature' thing; instead, you just distribute the opposing damage however you want amongst your creatures (normally this would result in either all of your creatures surviving with just-less-than-lethal damage on them, or one of your creatures taking the fall so that all the others live).
Since double/triple/etc blocking already exists in the rules, on defense you just need a single creature with banding to be block a creature in order for all of your other creatures involved in that block to benefit from banding. But 'multi-attacking' isn't a thing in normal Magic rules, so banding's secondary ability introduces a hack to allow you to 'multi-attack.' That's where the weird band rules come from. (Any number of creatures with banding, plus up to one without, and blocking any of them causes them all to become blocked.)
(Mentioning horsemanship is more on the obvious-joke side, but it's just different-axis flying.)