You know its kinda sad that the code of samiel wasnt mentioned but i get it. For those interested,the code of Samiel,was created indirectly through saulots childer of the same name,as part of the road of heaven Those practicing the code of samiel are tought to seek enlightenment, through fighting the creatures of darkness,and often helping salubri aganst such threats. Oftentimes,the code of samiel was practiced exclusively by the salubri warriors,but it was theoretically possible to be tought the code if you found someone who knew it like any other road or path. In modern nights,the practicioners of the code of Samiel is rare,as few salubri warriors save the descendants of Adonai remain unliving,though it is still recognized by other faithful as being part of the road/path of heaven given it was made by one of the most legendary of salubri,save perhaps the first to achieve golconda himself. I would definitely recommend this path if you get to play salubri next time in v20 or hell honestly if you want to do a faithful kindred since its pretty nuanced and interesting tbh at least to me.
One thing that might be appealing for Vampires about the road of heaven is the idea of confession. Confessional confidentiality is absolute on pain of excommunication, literally a fate worse than death. Being able to gain absolution for sins would be a massive ‘blessing’ for vampires concerned about their humanity.
My main critique of the Road of Heaven is that (especially as a religious Jew), while it pays lip-service to other religions, I still find it very hegemonic-ally Christian. The rituals, the view on sin/G-d, etc., none of it really seems uniquely Jewish. And I’m sure and Muslim or Pagan person would have a similar opinion (or not, no group is a monolith). Which is actually why I started working on a totally unique path of enlightenment specifically for Jewish Kindred, I’m calling it the Derech HaYansuf (Road of the Owl in Hebrew).
Oh. I was just go to say you could roll play a new road but you were already doing it. Yeah sounds like a valid criticism. Any details on your own version of the road? Sounds interesting.
@@robertoleary5470 I do have a few ideas for the basics philosophy: -They value a diversity of opinions, thoughts and debate, so basically pretend that everything I write is prefaced with “most believe” or “some think that” -Pretty Anti-Book of Nod: They find the motive for Cain murdering Abel in the Book of Nod to be kind of incongruent with his reason in Genesis. Also there’s an old story that G-d wrote the Torah after Cain asked him “Am I my brothers keeper?” -Extremely pro-humanity. Followers of this path (called Estries) have a view on humanity that might even be more radical than the Via Humanitas: that Kindred and Kine aren’t really separate at all. This is justified through the actual Hewish concepts of Yetzer HaRa (the desire to do evil) and the Yetzer HaTov (the desire to do good). These desires are inherent to a person and are given more power only through your free will. Estries see the Beast as a more powerful form of the Yetzer HaRa, and the disciplines it’s opposite in the Yetzer HaTov -How Estries keep their humanity is through acts of Tzedakah (lit. Righteousness, it’s an actual thing in Judaism, but there it’s just performing acts of charity), good deeds done for their benefit and the benefit of others. Estries are also sometimes encouraged to use their disciples to aid in their acts of Tzedakah, within the bounds of the Masquerade, of course. -There’s also a strong sense of communalism and the desire for communal justice. Basically the logic goes that to be human is to be a social animal, and to have a good social system you need a just social system. As you can imagine, many younger Estries are also Anarchs. -And of course many Estries are observant Jews (though there are many who don’t believe fully in G-d). Some are firm consensual feeders, interpreting the commandment to not steal to extend to blood. Many observe the Sabbath, etc. And that’s the basic philosophy
@@robertoleary5470 Same. I also made a few sub-paths within it. One of my personal favorites being the Golem’s Bund: who can basically be described as “Hey, you wanna get something to eat? I heard a bunch of Neo-Nazis moved in across the block.”
Here’s hoping it pops up in the new book. Apparently they’re throwing in some new ones too so fingers crossed it wasn’t forgotten. My ex-hunter Pander is struggling with his humanity.
Ah the road of misplaced faith those who follow this road would have made for great setites Excellent and very informative video as always my nosferatu friend!
Can I request an episode of Road of the Hive/Via Hyron next please? (I assume you're already part way though making your next path video at this point but after maybe?)
(IC) Forgive an old monk for his frustration. We are beings of superhuman power who feed on human blood and quickly perish in the sun and yet, the idea of a God seems so alien to many people of this century. To say it bluntly: I fell into the path of heaven just as modern kindred fall into the path of humanity - because my mind wasn't clouded with this blasphemy "humanism". Kindred think they are special because they have the beast, but humans have the beast as well. It doesn't usually compel them to devour their fellow men, but it does compel them to sin. Yet, there is one who will free us from sin - and we just need to follow his teachings. Is it easy? No worthy endeavor is. Accepting the loss of humanity is way easier with a bit of perspective. The evil of man is legion, and yet we proclaim being "humane" to be a good person. As for calling feeding a second christening, this is mere heresy not unlike the path of divinity. Christ gave his flesh and blood willingly and so did my brothers - their kindness allowed me to flourish and I will always be grateful to their sacrifice. As for your closing words: kindred aren't modern angels. Where has the true road of heaven gone? Kappadocius and Saulot have been diablerized - and so has the majority of my clan. Now, the souls Giovanni, Tremere and their children have consumed guide them - often against their will. We are kindred no more.
(IC) OH, FOR THE LOVE OF WHATEVER, CAN YOU PLEASE SHOW SOME SELF-RESPECT? I simply cannot understand why someone think that our condition is something to which we must atone. "This" is NOT our fault. Do you want to blame someone? Here goes the list: - Caine, for his arrogance; - Lillith, for her blindness; - the Antediluvians, for their unsufferable shortsightedness; - and the most imbecile of them all, God, for allowing their henchmen to to what is meant to be HIS job; And do not dare to look at me as if I spoke the language of hell - you priests claim to pursuit wisdom, but are afraid of finding wisdom that will make you question what you believe - but lets be honest: why should I atone for the sins that are NOT my own? Why should I be the sin-eater of an angry farmer, a lousy mage, a bunch of monsters, and an uncaring being who NO ONE has heard or seen in I don't know how long? Do you want salvation? Forget it. And instead of being a saint, just try being a decent person - in this world, many kill and die because they believe that this will lead to heaven - and we forget that we were, once, Humans, and to merely BE that is, in the end, what this world needs: more gentleness, more kindness, more extended hands, instead of mea culpa or self-righteous suicide. The man there is right: Kindred are no angels. To deny this is to delude yourself. So, instead of whipping yourself or pray for forgiveness for something that had been imposed upon you, get out of this cloister, go feed, and help in the street kitchen, beat some rapists until they beg to be jailed, find some saucy evidence against the corrupt mayor and end his career, tell some Ventrue to f*ck off, and DO something decent for the world around you. It does bring salvation? Who cares? The world need help, and your prayers did nothing. And maybe THIS is a sign of god telling you to move your ass. And if your unlife ends, when you meet with god, you can have more to say about your deeds than "I prayed to you for forgiveness". Now, grab the ladle, monk. The soup is hot, the night is cold, and the line is long!
@@Jamhael1 (IC) Is Caine to blame, is Lilith to blame, are the Antedeluvians to blame, is God to blame? No. Nobody is to blame. If you want some self respect, stop blaming others for who you are. You say that I should get out of the mules saddle and fight evil? I will gladly fight evil. But do I fight evil by adding evil to it? Beating up a rapist feels good because the beast revels in wrath. It is not our place to enact vengeance. As for that hot soup… I look like a corpse encaptored in parchment. I’ll gladly help organize. Unmasking corruption is a very noble endeavor and one a dabble in. Unfortunately, my findings are not accepted in modern courts, so I can only point the people in the right direction. The only direct thing I can do is healing the sick. For everything else, I am merely a guide. And take this advice from someone who has known the Ventrue for some time: Speak truth of their mask and they will wither. Call them names and they will feel superior.
@@AlexBermann (IC) "Stop blaming others". The convenient excuse of the ones who are unwilling to accept that our condition is not something anyone of us here had EVER wanted. Do you think that I wanted to be like this, old man? To see everything and everyone that I loved and cherished to become dust in front of me while only I stay? Do you think that I enjoy this prision of darkness, forced to never again be capable of feeling the warmth and witness the glory of the sun? DO YOU THINK THAT I WANTED THIS AS EXISTENCE? The Embrace forced (YES, FORCED - don't you ever dare to deny this) upon us is not a sin for US to pay - and besides, you were once a monk, pious and contemplative, and then, one night, this was shoved down your throat, and someone told you to suck it. Do you think that I would just say "mea culpa" for the rest of eternity for something that I never asked? For something that I didn't even KNEW existed? So don't come at me with your "holier-then-thou" attitude - I am Brujah, and even we do not swallow the hypocrisy from the so-called "pious". You say that "fighting evil with evil iz bad". Then WHY God would flood the world then? Why God would command its Prophets to kill, murder, plunder and enslave entire peoples? Even the poor Job - a pious, faithfull, humble man - was made to suffer the worst JUST TO PROVE A POINT TO THE DEVIL! God also commit violence, my friend - and the excuse of it is the pathetic "deus vult". My violence is better? I do not believe it to be "better", only have a more worthy cause and an achievable result - the rapist will be sent to jail, and never again haunt that place, the woman will have safety, and this will bring stability, generating the proper terrain for the creation of business and economical development, helping improve the community life, which will grant more stable growth... See where I'm going? So, I do not fight for "vengeance" - which, lets be honest, it is a loaded term filled with bullshit for selfish pricks who think thay are the protagonists of some stupid story worse than the "Count of Monte Cristo" - but I fight for justice. For the ones who cannot fight. For the ones who can't fight. NEVER for me. But one thing I always keep on my mind: I AM HUMAN - the fools in the Sabbat and the Elders of the Camarilla forgot this because they go after the selfish and stupid games of upmanship and backstabbing simply because they confound the subject of "age" with "wisdom". Well, tell the contrary to ANYONE who met Hardestadt, and they'll kick you down till an inch of your unlife. About your appearence... do you not know Obfuscation? You know that is used not only to be invisible, don't you? And don't come at me with "my belief forbid me, blahblahblah" - as I've said before, WE ARE NOT ANGELS. So go be more Human - there is nothing more comforting to see and help someone having a belly filled and their bodies warmed in a cold night. That is something that keeps the fire of Humanity blazing within you, and let you never forget what is you now must be: the helping hand, the shield and sword of the weak and the oppressed, their voice against the corrupt and the tyrant. And about your "wise" assertion about the Ventrue: what do you think a "fuck you" to the Ventrue is, to us, Brujah? A good and propper Rebel do not rebel without cause - mind AND body must be honed to a sharp edge so whenever the attack is necessary, or defense is needed, you will go straight to the weak points and demolish the pompous Blue Blood exactly in their belief of "noblesse oblige". Tell them in were he/she failed, in what he/she could become better so they can rule better, and go straight towards the point of saying: "You want to RULE? So be a better SERVANT". The corruption part has its risks, no denial of that. But to be quiet in its face helps no one, and be mysterious by making cryptic announcements and oblique leading is just frustrating and led many a Neonate to give up the Good Struggle in face of the stupidity of such shenannigans - you see a problem, TELL ABOUT IT AS IT IS! There is no need to sugarcoat a hunk of shit and present it as something else, because the smell will denounce it before you even open your mouth. And believe me, open honesty works better with Neonates - the "Count-Dracula-mystery-shtick" is not only pathetic but also SO BORING - and you become surprised with how many of them take the problems head on if you just tell them about it in an open and frank way. But if you want to bemoan your existence, that's on you - and while I can point the way with neon and fireworks, only you must make the decision to take the path.
You know its kinda sad that the code of samiel wasnt mentioned but i get it.
For those interested,the code of Samiel,was created indirectly through saulots childer of the same name,as part of the road of heaven
Those practicing the code of samiel are tought to seek enlightenment, through fighting the creatures of darkness,and often helping salubri aganst such threats. Oftentimes,the code of samiel was practiced exclusively by the salubri warriors,but it was theoretically possible to be tought the code if you found someone who knew it like any other road or path.
In modern nights,the practicioners of the code of Samiel is rare,as few salubri warriors save the descendants of Adonai remain unliving,though it is still recognized by other faithful as being part of the road/path of heaven given it was made by one of the most legendary of salubri,save perhaps the first to achieve golconda himself.
I would definitely recommend this path if you get to play salubri next time in v20 or hell honestly if you want to do a faithful kindred since its pretty nuanced and interesting tbh at least to me.
One thing that might be appealing for Vampires about the road of heaven is the idea of confession. Confessional confidentiality is absolute on pain of excommunication, literally a fate worse than death. Being able to gain absolution for sins would be a massive ‘blessing’ for vampires concerned about their humanity.
My main critique of the Road of Heaven is that (especially as a religious Jew), while it pays lip-service to other religions, I still find it very hegemonic-ally Christian. The rituals, the view on sin/G-d, etc., none of it really seems uniquely Jewish. And I’m sure and Muslim or Pagan person would have a similar opinion (or not, no group is a monolith).
Which is actually why I started working on a totally unique path of enlightenment specifically for Jewish Kindred, I’m calling it the Derech HaYansuf (Road of the Owl in Hebrew).
The book State of Grace might be able to help you out
Oh. I was just go to say you could roll play a new road but you were already doing it. Yeah sounds like a valid criticism. Any details on your own version of the road? Sounds interesting.
@@robertoleary5470 I do have a few ideas for the basics philosophy:
-They value a diversity of opinions, thoughts and debate, so basically pretend that everything I write is prefaced with “most believe” or “some think that”
-Pretty Anti-Book of Nod: They find the motive for Cain murdering Abel in the Book of Nod to be kind of incongruent with his reason in Genesis. Also there’s an old story that G-d wrote the Torah after Cain asked him “Am I my brothers keeper?”
-Extremely pro-humanity. Followers of this path (called Estries) have a view on humanity that might even be more radical than the Via Humanitas: that Kindred and Kine aren’t really separate at all. This is justified through the actual Hewish concepts of Yetzer HaRa (the desire to do evil) and the Yetzer HaTov (the desire to do good). These desires are inherent to a person and are given more power only through your free will. Estries see the Beast as a more powerful form of the Yetzer HaRa, and the disciplines it’s opposite in the Yetzer HaTov
-How Estries keep their humanity is through acts of Tzedakah (lit. Righteousness, it’s an actual thing in Judaism, but there it’s just performing acts of charity), good deeds done for their benefit and the benefit of others. Estries are also sometimes encouraged to use their disciples to aid in their acts of Tzedakah, within the bounds of the Masquerade, of course.
-There’s also a strong sense of communalism and the desire for communal justice. Basically the logic goes that to be human is to be a social animal, and to have a good social system you need a just social system. As you can imagine, many younger Estries are also Anarchs.
-And of course many Estries are observant Jews (though there are many who don’t believe fully in G-d). Some are firm consensual feeders, interpreting the commandment to not steal to extend to blood. Many observe the Sabbath, etc.
And that’s the basic philosophy
@@dylanchouinard6141 sounds interesting. The debate part sounds very Brujah (one of my favourite clans)
@@robertoleary5470 Same. I also made a few sub-paths within it. One of my personal favorites being the Golem’s Bund: who can basically be described as “Hey, you wanna get something to eat? I heard a bunch of Neo-Nazis moved in across the block.”
Who needs heaven when you got hunger? Wonderful job again
Thank you kindly 😊
Coming home after working day and discovering Lore by Night podcast is amazing
Here’s hoping it pops up in the new book. Apparently they’re throwing in some new ones too so fingers crossed it wasn’t forgotten.
My ex-hunter Pander is struggling with his humanity.
Yes!! Yes, yes, yes!! As amazing as I knew it would be!! Thank you, Lorie!!
You're very welcome 😊
Ahh yes, yet another weekend is looming ahead. Thanks for the video.
Ah the road of misplaced faith those who follow this road would have made for great setites
Excellent and very informative video as always my nosferatu friend!
Going to enjoy this one
Let's go!
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These road videos are extremely helpful in my 15th century v5 chronicle. Ending for the video really landed. Well done.
Thanks 😊
Do all Gangrel go to heaven? I hope so.. or I’m in big, BIG trouble! 🤔
o.O
Are you sure your beast is a dog/wolf? It might be a big cat, bear or anything else?
Can I request an episode of Road of the Hive/Via Hyron next please? (I assume you're already part way though making your next path video at this point but after maybe?)
I have written quite a lot of episodes already (4 months worth in fact) but I will definitely add it to the list.
@@LoreByNightVtM Thank you for your consideration.
(IC) Forgive an old monk for his frustration. We are beings of superhuman power who feed on human blood and quickly perish in the sun and yet, the idea of a God seems so alien to many people of this century. To say it bluntly: I fell into the path of heaven just as modern kindred fall into the path of humanity - because my mind wasn't clouded with this blasphemy "humanism". Kindred think they are special because they have the beast, but humans have the beast as well. It doesn't usually compel them to devour their fellow men, but it does compel them to sin. Yet, there is one who will free us from sin - and we just need to follow his teachings. Is it easy? No worthy endeavor is. Accepting the loss of humanity is way easier with a bit of perspective. The evil of man is legion, and yet we proclaim being "humane" to be a good person.
As for calling feeding a second christening, this is mere heresy not unlike the path of divinity. Christ gave his flesh and blood willingly and so did my brothers - their kindness allowed me to flourish and I will always be grateful to their sacrifice.
As for your closing words: kindred aren't modern angels. Where has the true road of heaven gone? Kappadocius and Saulot have been diablerized - and so has the majority of my clan. Now, the souls Giovanni, Tremere and their children have consumed guide them - often against their will. We are kindred no more.
(IC) OH, FOR THE LOVE OF WHATEVER, CAN YOU PLEASE SHOW SOME SELF-RESPECT?
I simply cannot understand why someone think that our condition is something to which we must atone.
"This" is NOT our fault.
Do you want to blame someone? Here goes the list:
- Caine, for his arrogance;
- Lillith, for her blindness;
- the Antediluvians, for their unsufferable shortsightedness;
- and the most imbecile of them all, God, for allowing their henchmen to to what is meant to be HIS job;
And do not dare to look at me as if I spoke the language of hell - you priests claim to pursuit wisdom, but are afraid of finding wisdom that will make you question what you believe - but lets be honest: why should I atone for the sins that are NOT my own? Why should I be the sin-eater of an angry farmer, a lousy mage, a bunch of monsters, and an uncaring being who NO ONE has heard or seen in I don't know how long?
Do you want salvation? Forget it. And instead of being a saint, just try being a decent person - in this world, many kill and die because they believe that this will lead to heaven - and we forget that we were, once, Humans, and to merely BE that is, in the end, what this world needs: more gentleness, more kindness, more extended hands, instead of mea culpa or self-righteous suicide.
The man there is right: Kindred are no angels. To deny this is to delude yourself.
So, instead of whipping yourself or pray for forgiveness for something that had been imposed upon you, get out of this cloister, go feed, and help in the street kitchen, beat some rapists until they beg to be jailed, find some saucy evidence against the corrupt mayor and end his career, tell some Ventrue to f*ck off, and DO something decent for the world around you.
It does bring salvation? Who cares? The world need help, and your prayers did nothing. And maybe THIS is a sign of god telling you to move your ass.
And if your unlife ends, when you meet with god, you can have more to say about your deeds than "I prayed to you for forgiveness".
Now, grab the ladle, monk. The soup is hot, the night is cold, and the line is long!
@@Jamhael1 (IC) Is Caine to blame, is Lilith to blame, are the Antedeluvians to blame, is God to blame? No. Nobody is to blame. If you want some self respect, stop blaming others for who you are. You say that I should get out of the mules saddle and fight evil? I will gladly fight evil. But do I fight evil by adding evil to it? Beating up a rapist feels good because the beast revels in wrath. It is not our place to enact vengeance.
As for that hot soup… I look like a corpse encaptored in parchment. I’ll gladly help organize. Unmasking corruption is a very noble endeavor and one a dabble in. Unfortunately, my findings are not accepted in modern courts, so I can only point the people in the right direction. The only direct thing I can do is healing the sick. For everything else, I am merely a guide.
And take this advice from someone who has known the Ventrue for some time:
Speak truth of their mask and they will wither. Call them names and they will feel superior.
@@AlexBermann (IC) "Stop blaming others". The convenient excuse of the ones who are unwilling to accept that our condition is not something anyone of us here had EVER wanted.
Do you think that I wanted to be like this, old man? To see everything and everyone that I loved and cherished to become dust in front of me while only I stay? Do you think that I enjoy this prision of darkness, forced to never again be capable of feeling the warmth and witness the glory of the sun?
DO YOU THINK THAT I WANTED THIS AS EXISTENCE?
The Embrace forced (YES, FORCED - don't you ever dare to deny this) upon us is not a sin for US to pay - and besides, you were once a monk, pious and contemplative, and then, one night, this was shoved down your throat, and someone told you to suck it.
Do you think that I would just say "mea culpa" for the rest of eternity for something that I never asked? For something that I didn't even KNEW existed?
So don't come at me with your "holier-then-thou" attitude - I am Brujah, and even we do not swallow the hypocrisy from the so-called "pious".
You say that "fighting evil with evil iz bad". Then WHY God would flood the world then? Why God would command its Prophets to kill, murder, plunder and enslave entire peoples? Even the poor Job - a pious, faithfull, humble man - was made to suffer the worst JUST TO PROVE A POINT TO THE DEVIL!
God also commit violence, my friend - and the excuse of it is the pathetic "deus vult".
My violence is better? I do not believe it to be "better", only have a more worthy cause and an achievable result - the rapist will be sent to jail, and never again haunt that place, the woman will have safety, and this will bring stability, generating the proper terrain for the creation of business and economical development, helping improve the community life, which will grant more stable growth... See where I'm going?
So, I do not fight for "vengeance" - which, lets be honest, it is a loaded term filled with bullshit for selfish pricks who think thay are the protagonists of some stupid story worse than the "Count of Monte Cristo" - but I fight for justice. For the ones who cannot fight. For the ones who can't fight.
NEVER for me.
But one thing I always keep on my mind: I AM HUMAN - the fools in the Sabbat and the Elders of the Camarilla forgot this because they go after the selfish and stupid games of upmanship and backstabbing simply because they confound the subject of "age" with "wisdom".
Well, tell the contrary to ANYONE who met Hardestadt, and they'll kick you down till an inch of your unlife.
About your appearence... do you not know Obfuscation? You know that is used not only to be invisible, don't you? And don't come at me with "my belief forbid me, blahblahblah" - as I've said before, WE ARE NOT ANGELS. So go be more Human - there is nothing more comforting to see and help someone having a belly filled and their bodies warmed in a cold night. That is something that keeps the fire of Humanity blazing within you, and let you never forget what is you now must be: the helping hand, the shield and sword of the weak and the oppressed, their voice against the corrupt and the tyrant.
And about your "wise" assertion about the Ventrue: what do you think a "fuck you" to the Ventrue is, to us, Brujah? A good and propper Rebel do not rebel without cause - mind AND body must be honed to a sharp edge so whenever the attack is necessary, or defense is needed, you will go straight to the weak points and demolish the pompous Blue Blood exactly in their belief of "noblesse oblige". Tell them in were he/she failed, in what he/she could become better so they can rule better, and go straight towards the point of saying: "You want to RULE? So be a better SERVANT".
The corruption part has its risks, no denial of that. But to be quiet in its face helps no one, and be mysterious by making cryptic announcements and oblique leading is just frustrating and led many a Neonate to give up the Good Struggle in face of the stupidity of such shenannigans - you see a problem, TELL ABOUT IT AS IT IS! There is no need to sugarcoat a hunk of shit and present it as something else, because the smell will denounce it before you even open your mouth. And believe me, open honesty works better with Neonates - the "Count-Dracula-mystery-shtick" is not only pathetic but also SO BORING - and you become surprised with how many of them take the problems head on if you just tell them about it in an open and frank way.
But if you want to bemoan your existence, that's on you - and while I can point the way with neon and fireworks, only you must make the decision to take the path.
Sutekh revealed the path of the gates long before the myth of Cain even the Bible speaks of knowledge coming from the serpent.
Not so much knowledge as deception the knowledge in this context would have came from god
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