HINSON vs REKLUSE - Which Clutch System is Better?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2024
- Wondering which clutch system is right for you? Today I talk about the differences between the two most popular clutch systems on the market and discuss the pros and cons of each based on my experiences.
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I just learned more in 10 minutes than my whole freshman year of high school 👨🏻🎓
Haha me to :)
Dang common core curriculum.
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I have read and watched many reviews on the Rekluse and Hinson and not one of the magazines or other testing guys has ever shown the wear and tear with the rubber gromets or explained the slippage that way. Very cool good job Jeff.
EXACTLY
Cause when the media guys start bashing companies or pointing out major flaws people are less likely to give them free stuff hence the “they’re all really great” statements in the bike shootouts
Well done man. 🤙
I couldn't agree more. I had no idea what damage a solid lockup could do. Bravo!
@@roostin I don't think that's the only reason, and not totally valid because if the testers have a major following it's free advertising for the brands even if the 'tester' doesn't 100% love the product because the 'tester' will always want to seem happy and positive to an extent or people literally turn off (watch the missenden flyer - both he and Zack of Revzilla find lots of positives and then add the negatives as a side note, on bikes they like even saying no bike is perfect so I must find some negatives. In fact TMF happily says he doesn't care if manufacturers don't give him bikes to test because there are always some that will!).
The bigger reason most testers won't go into detail like this is because they don't know! Some are clearly not mechanically minded at all, they won't think to look at the rubber dampers in the clutch housing, might not even know they are there as they just test bikes and hand them back and have their own serviced at a main dealer, probably for free.
Hey guys! I mis-spoke in this video when I said the Rekluse basket was one piece. The Rekluse basket is just like the Hinson and comes with the rubber dampeners which are replaceable, so that's a solid upgrade and I highly recommend it if you go that route! Also, I would like to point out that Rekluse offers 3 different clutch springs: silver (softest), gold (middle), and red (stiffest). I was using 3 red and 3 silver springs. Using 6 silver or a combination of silver and gold will result in a less aggressive clutch and can improve life-expectancy in the TorqDrive system. Thanks for reading!
so in a nut shell a rekluse system is more catered for pro's like you where you're more likely to replace a clutch after a race meeting or every other. i've known of pro's killing clutches per day or even getting new plate between races in world champs.
Heads up, dampers, not dampeners. Great video!
@@A1soldiersaint your biggest problem with an oe basket is they wont be as resistant to notching. You dont have to buy the meantioned clutches to have a good 1 there's plenty of great brand like mitaka.
Jeff Walker I’m in the middle of this replacement now so I’m glad you clarified. Definitely does have the rubber pieces and isn’t one unit.
Not to mention when u said the the inner hub connects to counter shaft... THAT IS WRONG... inner hub sits on the input (lay shaft) . The front sprocket does go on the counter shaft... nice job with description of how it works tho...
I KNOW I’ve been riding longer then you’ve been alive and I’ve NEVER heard/seen a better explanation of how the clutch, as a system, works! After the tons of clutches that I’ve replaced, THANK GOD, I never had to explain “how all of it works”....until now! Next up...explain the damn intricacies of SUSPENSION!!! 👍 I even own the suspension Bible and still can’t explain it!
Agreed. Would love to see a suspension video.
Great job explaining how a clutch works! I would love to see more of this kind of stuff on the channel.
This is currently the best example of how a motocross clutch works on the internet, I have never seen it explained to easily and well before, thanks Jeff
if you think this is best explanation, you haven't looked very hard
Nice breakdown in layman’s terms. Please keep them coming.
JW explained in 10 minutes what I learned over 30 years...lol. EXCELLENT job. EXCELLENT, easy to follow video.
Great video, I'm a 50's vet rider, intermediate level, I have a 2013 CRF450R with the Rekluse 3.0 with over 70 hours and no issues, have a 2019 CRF450WE with the Rekluse Radius CX with 30 hours and no issues. These are both the "Auto" systems which I like. I would say I'm pretty easy on a clutch as I had over 50hrs on the stock 2013 clutch. Congratulations on the new team and best of luck this motocross season.
Really good video, and definitely some good info. A couple things to note though for whatever it's worth:
1) The amount of pad area on each fiber doesn't directly affect the grip of that fiber. It merely changes the pad pressure, which can affect the life of the fiber material. In general, lower pad pressure = greater pad life.
2) The Rekluse has an option included in the TorqDrive kits to greatly reduce the clamping force, which would allow you to reduce the torque capacity down to the level of a Hinson or Stock if there is concerns about durability of the transmission, but with a much lighter lever pull than a stock clutch or Hinson.
3) The Rekluse basket is not a one piece gear on the back, it is similar to the Hinson in that it has dampers, and the basket is assembled with allen head bolts allowing the dampers to be serviceable.
4) There is some benefit to having the steel core thin fiber plates of the TorqDrive because they don't expand as much as the aluminum core fiber plates of the stock or Hinson.
5) Starts aren't typically what kills transmissions and basket dampers, whoops and landing hard on the gas is what does it. But it is true that a clutch with more torque capacity will be harder on the basket dampers and transmissions in those situations.
Great break down! But yes like somebody else said do a triple clamp vid and break down the difference in offsets. Keep up the good work man
Easily one of the best videos you've done Jeff. Led me to comment which I dont typically do. I felt like a really well informed rider and this video was an eye opener and one I think every serious and/or passionate rider should watch. Really, really nice work.
Nice job on the explanation of the 3 clutch systems and comparing their functions vs. performance. I think many readers got a clearer understanding from this video.
I've been riding for 25 year and have never truly understood the inner working of a motorcycle clutch. I do now. Thanks for taking the time to brake each function down and explain it in plain English. Looking for to more components like suspension & transmissions.
That was super informational and a lot of stuff I didn't know or even think about. Great job!
super informative and original content, never heard this explained this way before! was trying to decide between these two right now! more vids like this please! and more technique ones too please! Thanks
OUTSTANDING Video, Jeff!!!!! I really appreciate the extra time you took to demonstrate the stock clutch system to the Hinson / Rekluse systems. It provided for a clear understanding, and helps with deciding which route to go with the style of riding that I do. Thank you!!
What a great educational video! Thank you for taking the time to share this with us!
Yea, I hear yuh... I know a guy, first hand, that didn't check if his rubber was intact and did some serious damage.
That's how you end up paying child support! Haha.
That “basic” overview of how a clutch works just solved a 20 year mystery for me. Cheers
One of the best TH-cam videos on dirt bikes I’ve ever seen! I have a masters degree in engineering and I learned more in a few minutes from your video than in weeks of most classes. Nice job!
I have a rekluse i love it. I don’t beat on the clutch but i definitely slip it out of the hole a lot more. It’s got over 20 hours on it now and it still is good. I never even thought about the rubber parts but when i do my side cover I’ll replace it and see how they have held up. Definitely a light feeling unit for sure. Great video.
Barnett also makes very good clutch components, worth consideration, especially their clutch baskets and pressure plate with steel inserts in high wear areas.
I just wanted to hop on here and say thanks for doing such an informative video and explaining these 2 systems in a clear and concise way anyone can understand. I've had several guys try to explain this but your video allowed me to understand them 100%. Wish there was other videos explaining installs and such as good as this. Thanks a ton.
man you should totaly do more of these! for different parts and maybe other stuffs aswell?! rad video, wery well explained!
That was a really good explanation of how the clutch works. Good job mang.
Nice vid! Note: To those that might not know but different brand motorcycles have different rubber damping systems. Some motorcycle brands dampers are easer to maintain and replace than others.
Great job on explaining how a clutch works and the differences between stock, Hinson and Rekluse systems.
Woh, thanks for the heads up. God video. I just ordered my Rekluse Torque manual last week. I am no pro but, my bike is a 2010 Service Honda CR500af. So, I will be monitoring my Clutch more. Figures I see this video a week after I bought the Rekluse. Thanks Jeff Walker.
I understood how a clutch worked before the video, but was bouncing between these two clutch systems to buy for this season. This video was so helpful. THANKS JEFF!! keep up the great work.
Great informative video! Didn´t know it was such a different in systems between the two :)
The design intent of the increased friction surface in the Rekluse system is to afford lighter spring pressure (aka lighter lever pull force) for an equal amount of torque transfer through the clutch...so Rekluse uses lighter springs, not heavier. The deterioration of the basket dampers you showed was from thermal abuse, not physical abuse by dumping the clutch ...from my experience (P.Eng in failure analysis). Not saying you were abusively over heating your clutch through the lever, but most likely putting higher loads on the clutch because of its inherrent ability to handle the tongue in higher gears...which generates lots of slip and friction heat....these clutches can be ridden in higher gears because of their design, but doesn’t mean they should be. Yeah, I am a little bias toward Rekluse but hope this insight can clear up some of the confusing details given in the video...I agree with all other commenters that this video is a good start in putting clutch engineering in layman’s terms.
Larry J yeah that’s what I was thinking; it looks like the elastomeric material was overheated and thus hardened/embrittled.... shattering like hard plastic.
This is not an auto clutch which allows riding in the wrong gear. This is a standard manual clutch with better lockup allowing cooler runing temps based on lest friction. The rubbers look hammered not fried.
Eldon95084 You are correct, the auto-clutches due seem to encourage riding in the wrong gear with resulting more slip (and heat). However, any clutch slips and produces more heat when ridden a gear too high or lower revs...it’s just the nature of all clutches. Also, I agree it’s impossible to tell from a photograph about the failure mode of the cushions (not dampers or dampeners....they are just shock load cushions). Could be hammered or heat...or both. I’ve had experience with pro riders here in Canada where the failure mode was almost 100% heat related and looked fairly similar to the pic here. So it’s just an educated guess 😀
Cooler running temperatures are the result of the increased friction surfaces in the Rekluse design...I.e. more friction reduces slip and heat. Other systems have less friction and thus more heat.
@@kellybrown6988 Rekluse offers I think 3 different spring rates for their springs. You should contact their customer support for exact numbers. I am not affiliated with the company at all.
Super informative and helpful in understanding how clutches work and how aftermarket clutch systems vary. Excellent job Jeff!!
Great video! Always wondered about the difference between the two and stock.
How about doing a video on triple clamps and how the offsets make a difference?
Good stuff Jeff! Never tried a Hinson but the Rekluse system is next level as far as performance to the rear wheel.
Great stuff Jeff , the tech report is really useful ,much appreciated thanks
Outstanding video, man! Great way of making anyone understand it all! Got yourself a new subscriber! Keep it up!
Bro. Talk about research and giving an AMAZING detailed review. Amazing man forreal. Thank you bro I really really appreciate it.
Great knowledge and well explained. Thanks for sharing. Keep ripping, and making awesome videos.
Lots of good information in this video and learned something new. Thank you. Keep up the good work.
Very very informative! Learned a lot
Excellent review Jeff, great breakdown, cheers.
I am a self taught mechanic and I do all of my own motor and suspension work including revalving suspension using Race Rech equipment, your description of how a clutch works is spot on!! Very nice explanation and thank you for taking the time to explain it!! The Hinson system works best for this guy. :)
Awesome video brother. I thoroughly enjoy these informational videos like this
Thank's for this. I have decided to go with Hinson on my 18 KX450F! liked and subbed
Very very good and informative video!! I learned a lot in this video! Wouldn’t mind seeing more videos like this big man! Like the difference triple clamps make and how the offsets work!! Thanks man, ur killing it and keep up the amazing work and keep these amazing videos coming and have u started riding with FXR_chaparral_honda team yet that Michael lindsay asked u to come be on?!! And ur racing the outdoor series with this team along with Jerry Robin right?!
This about the first video on this topic i've understood haha, would be sick if you could do some other simplified comparisons aswell!
Super helpful! Great info and easy to understand
This video is awesome. Please do more of these!
I don’t comment on any videos but this was just too dang informative and explained so well I had to. Great video, keep up the great work
That was in-depth and very helpful.👍🏼 thanks man.
Awesome explanation of each clutch system. Great video Jeff.
Best explanation of a motorcycle clutch I've ever seen. Rad comparison, very helpful. I'm definitely going Hinson!
I'm new to the motorcycle world at 50 (should've done it sooner!) and this is by far is the best video I have seen that explains clutch and the mechanics behind it. Kudos to you, young man and thanks for the information.
We’ll explained! Thats college material dude keep the vids coming , this is awesome! Thank you
This was too good! You are the best!
Nice video Jeff! Thanks for the info 🤘🏻
It’s always good to your videos! 👍
Such a great and detailed video! Thank you Jeff!
Super helpful loved the vid!
This video wasn’t made to explain clutches yet you gave the best explanation I’ve seen of them👏🏻
Great video! Super informative
Great job explaining the differences, very helpful
Great video,Jeff!
Great video mate I’ve just purchased 2020 CRF450 this info is gold thank you !
Great Video and explanation of the working of a clutch system.
Great explanation Jeff now I learned something new! Thanks man
This is great, Jeff. Thank you for explaining it so well for someone like me who doesn't know the internal workings. If I drop a Hinson into my bike but run the Rekluse cover... will you tell?
This helps me out with my 2002 Honda cr125. I'm upgrading the fibers, plates and springs to Hinson with OEM basket.
Then my dad is wanting to put a Rekluse system into his 2005 RM250. Some of the stuff will help.
Fantastic... I learned a lot from this video of yours. Thanks!
Great information without a cheesy sales pitch. You give me hope in humanity Jeff.
After Purchasing A2021 YZ 125 I have been watching tons of videos on clutch and top end rebuilds. Just for fun I have been thinking about upgrading my clutch system and could not come to a conclusion as to what set up I was going to use. This video was more informative than any videos I have seen yet. And honestly I think I have seen just about all of them. I did subscribe to your TH-cam channel and I will absolutely be looking for more.keep up the good videos and I hope you can do one on pistons and top ends as well as performance pipes.
Thanks for all the information, very useful.
Best explanation of how a motorcycle clutch actually works I've seen yet. Great job!
Great video, technical information and so well presented.
Seeing your privateer video through red bull was sick!!! Your father is the man as well as you keep up the work AAND GOO FAASSTT BRAPPPP
Great break down on clutch operation, but sorry, I'm a stickler for misinformation, not entirely correct on basket, hub relation. Outer basket is only "connected" to the crank(kick starter if equipped, and water pump). Inner hub drives the primary shaft spinning the first set of gears. The second set of gears meshed with the first are connected to the counter shaft/sprocket and drive the rear wheel. I know I'm being a nit-picker, but let's inform accurately. Great channel and hope to see you at MX Express this spring/summer!
stfu
Exactly the clutch drives the trans.
Awesome video bro! Great feedback
This was amazing. Thank you
I got a hinson in my trail bike and it's pretty great. Been kinda trying to wear it out so I can try out one of the rekluse auto clutches. That hinson clutch is holding up great though!
Great info made understandable and useful. Thanks for sharing.
Best video thank you! Such great information! The way you explained it was awesome
Great job explaining the differences!
Amazing review. Extremely well explained
Gosh I've never watched a more thorough video and I never lost interest!
Great video, very well explained!!!!!
Great video Jeff. TH-cam just got a lot smarter. I’ll make sure to keep and eye on my dampers. Didn’t realize they could get hosed that quickly under abuse.
Teaching at the most organic level, good job Jeff.
This was thorough. Awesome video.
You might want to get on board with an r and d department for design decisions or a magazine for reviews. Great review. MD or DO is good though as a back up. Lol
Very useful info, thank you.
On point vid 👌 much appreciated bro!
Incredibly informative, glad I watched this
Great detailed but easy to understand clutch operation and the advantage of different friction plates.i don't think anyone could of explained it better. 👌 Thanks heaps! New subscriber. 👍
I will say, regardless of the topic the video itself, you just gave me the most comprehensive understanding of the clutch system in general. Thank you.
Great info, Thanks!
Great review! Very helpful thanks!
Awesome video Jeff.
Good job
Bravo 👍👍👍
Very informative, thanks!
Outstanding video. Very informative. - Thanks!