How to Kill a God
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For how much reverence humanity has for the divine, it's interesting how much of your fiction is about killing them.
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Dude, you probably want to pin this to the top of the comments. Right now, it's already several pages down-and almost nobody scrolls down this far.
make cronos(from a fictional novel) angry at the god he would die forever
*Hitchhuiker* < god killed by logic
or the game Black and White. where gods die by lack of followers
or the game Popolous 3 where a merely human becomes a god by the faith put into her
Honestly, I have the same feeling as you do. Why kill a god, and even try to? According to stories and records, gods are the reason why we are here! But I mean, it would feel good to kill a god.
Gods' immortality varies depending on the mythology. Norse gods were ageless but could 100% be killed
With Idunn’s apples at least
@@mayosmayo4738 Was about to write that
Yeah I mean those gods were literally destined to die. Jormungandr was destined to kill Thor, Odin is destined to be killed by Fenrir in Ragnarok, Baldur by Loki, etc.
Norse god aren't ageless. They're very susceptible to old age, as Thor has once wrestled with the personification of old age and lost. They use Idun's apples to stave off old age.
The question is, how much of that is christianization? Christian recordings of pagan stories often limited the power of the gods so they would be comfortably lesser to the Christian god for their audience.
Imagine the opposite of this: A god of secrets that no one is aware of, which becomes more powerful the less people know about it?
Reminds me of Necoho, the god of atheism, from Warhammer. Unlike other gods, he gets weaker if more people worship him.
@@KarlKristofferJohnsson a god of atheism? Does he manage the concept of atheism? Surely he'd just get weaker if anyone worshipped ANY god. And how does he square the fact his very existence nullifies the concept he is a deity of? There wouldn't be a need to reject a claim that gods exist if...gods clearly exist.
Why would anyone worship a god of atheism? I have so many questions.
@@blackcitadel9 god of atheism AND paradoxes
... stealing that.
Many early deities were originally human kings with cults of personality built around them. When the people themselves died, their names and personalities lived on in the institutions of their temples. Some cultures even say that the way to become immortal is to live on in legend. These are social phenomena, which change how people act and as a result shape the world around them.
There are many social phenomena which grow stronger when people don't realize how they actually work - or that they exist at all. Systemic oppression generally grows stronger the more people deny its existence and attribute its effects to other things - ignorance doesn't cause it to cease existing. If the spirit of neuro-abelism were to be personified as a deity it would probably enjoy anonymity as its unwitting adherents failed to believe that it exists, attributing the actions comming from " neurotypical people are superior, neurodivergent peopel are inferior" to things that are usually good like "Having standards" , "Protecting people from creeps" , "Valuing work ethic" , "Being a mature adult" , "Keeping an eye out for suspicious activity" , etc.
It simply, blends into the woodwork. In a sense you could argue that its followers DO believe in it - just mistakenly mixed into thousands of assumptions they perform reflexively as they go about their day (no different from how religious beliefs are integrated into any adherent's worldview). But they don't have a concept of the deity as an entity. In a sense - this insulates the god from atheism being used as a weapon to erase it. In the 21st century it can enjoy its existence, shaping the world without people having the words or the mental framework to dismantle and abandon (or slay) the god.
The character of Talebot is very special. Lines like "I don't have guts, but..." really put into perspective how fleshed out his writers have made him.
He is definitely his own character, but he reminds me of a narrative/genre savvy C-3PO or B1 battle droid. God bless Matthew Wood.
@@BGThinks lol... wood
Fleshed out. Hehehehe
@@joolding6022 Nice one. Missed it xD
@@FrankCosbyNo-Relation Funny flesh joke
I remember playing Okami, one of the few times fiction got me to sympathize with a God. The whole game you'd get more powerful by getting people to have faith in you, and at one point I thought "this would be a really frustrating existence."
oh my god you reminded me of this magnificient game
i used to play it after school and yea i felt a bit bad because no matter how many people you get to have faith in you, there will always be someone who doesnt comply, and you cannot change that
i once read a story where a character asked "how does a human kill a god?" and a god replied "how does a machine kill a human?" and it really opened my eyes to the possibility that humans can have aspects or attributes that their creaters lack which allow them to overpower their creator
Think about it, to the ancient people we looked more like the gods to them. Their gods may blew up mountains, but we can just destroy the entire world if we carelessly flinging nukes.
That's an interesting comparison. Humans build machines to accomplish tasks that we are too weak to do on our own, but we have the ability to learn where a machine does not. I wonder what that would mean for a god.
Something I’ve seen in many stories is that humans are variable creatures that can change their nature and behavior, but a god cannot change and must stay true to their nature. So a god could be tricked, trapped, or even killed if their nature was taken advantage of.
that's not how it works.
we need a machine to help us do the stuff , but does god need to?
@@user-fu4wy5il5v it doesn't matter, what matters is the fact that machines have traits that we don't have despite the fact we created them, are we invincible compared to machines? No
Therefore why would God be invincible compared to us? Maybe just like how machines have the durability and strength that beats us then we have a trait or power that is able to kill our creator
"you do not get to kill your gods without destroying the version of the universe they held up" That is one nice statement right there, very well said.
I remember God of War did that in a very literal way. Killing some of the minor Gods had effects but where barely noticeable. Killing Charon and Thanatos had issues but nothing that couldn’t be fixed by Hades, however once Hades died the wall between Life and Death was shattered and spirits and souls flooded out, of the underworld. Poseidon died and the ocean raged out of control, Apollo died and the sun fell out of the sky and the sky was filled by storms, Hermes died and disease ravaged the world, Hera died and so too did the plants. As Kratos would say in later games “theirs consequences for killing a god”
"My son, to kill a God of anything takes three things. Great courage, a mighty mighty weapon, and great stupidity." -Arien father of Dorian to his son before he went on the adventure that got him the title of great then turned into a serpent
@@ingavarhall I lack is a mighty mighty weapon
To me that dosen't make sense universally, and it's defenatly not a thing in lots of mythologies anyway. Like if i am an artist and i make a drawing and then i die the drawing i made dosen't just dissapear into the void with me, also i think gods would make more sense if weather they exist or not or are dead or alive things would be the same in the world, beacose we all know from atheists that it is defenatly possible for nature to take care of itself whitout gods, and it should be. Ussualy if a god would make a world it would make it so that it can exist just fine without it's creator or creators all on it's own and function just fine.
But also in greek mythology for example something people always miss is that the gods can do whatever other gods can do, like Zeus(god of lighting) made someone fall in love with someone else one time, instead of Aprhodites(goddes of love) doing that, so a god could just take the extra job of a god that died, or multiple gods could take turns to do what the god that died was doing before.
So then the title of a god would be more of a hobby or job description, something they enjoy to do or have to do often or just simply do more often then anything or anyone else, but it's not the only thing that they can or could do. So if you kill the god of war, war won't stop from happening, and if you kill the god of light, light won't dissapear, best case scenario it dissapears temporarely untill someone else takes the job.
or simply update the universe to a new version ourselves, plus some bug fixing so people don't glitch through doors like we witness nowadays, and then delete some packages named god(s) and implement a new user interface for every player so they get to see their own stats such as their own heart rate in form of HUD
I love how in Asura’s Wrath he literally just has a bare handed beat down with Chakravartin
Sometimes you just gotta buckle down and go to town
@@elizabethdrinkwine939thats the most cowboy thing i have ever heard and i agree with it
Will you be my pardner @@KfcOwner
@@dirkjensen969 I'm sure
Asura in mythology have just a bit lower status then him, defenetly not mere mortal.
10:32 I like to think about the Radiance from Hollow Knight as a great example of this! In the lore of the game, the ruler of Hallownest, the Pale King, shows up and converts the people who follow the Radiance to follow him instead with the addition of giving them a mind. because of this, the Radiance almost ceases to exist because everyone has forgotten about her, until she used the last of her strength to appear in the dreams of bugs and infect them with her light, stripping them of their free will and mind.
What really bothers me, about Frederick Nietzsche's quote, "God is dead, and we have killed him." is that's where people stop. They neglect the following thought, "And nothing can ever wash the blood away."
He wasn't celebrating the death of God. He was mourning it.
Thank you for addressing that.
tbh, i've always thought of it as a mournful saying because i mostly see it used when a person hears someone say something really outlandish and unholy
Usually, when I hear it misused, it's in celebration of atheism, or a desperate justification for terrible behavior.@@duckified.
He also goes on to say in "Beyond Good and Evil" even if there are no gods or higher order, belief in something higher than yourself is better than belief in nothing at all. Belief in nothing just leads to apathy and stagnation, belief in something better gives you the strength to move forward.
@@Brainflayerbelief in thyself is all they need, there is no higher power that will answer your prayers
You're your own god, let no heretics wrong you
That which can be destroyed by the truth, should be.
I love how most stories have this macguffin that you need to get to kill a god, but in Terraria all you need is a copper shortsword, some track and some time
"Gun and if that don't work use more gun."
Technically that’s a eldritch horror at the end of the game that had his legs stolen by grass women but you could count that and if that’s not good enough then play calamity mod
@@DayInShinnyArmor i feel like i should understand this but i dont
@@brokenbraincells765 He fancies himself a god, that's good enough for me, also it wasn't just his legs, an eye, part of his skeleton (that includes the eater, it's not his dick it's his spine) and they locked him in the moon with the pillars.
@@Mitrthegreat Wait, are you calling Yharim a Sans cosplayer? Because if so... that's one of the funniest things I've heard today XD
"Gods are immortal"
Kratos: Are you sure about that?
Hecate: *laughs in the mortal cycle”
I was about to comment that
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I genuinely love how many of the methods of defeating gods translate almost one-to-one into ways to defeat tyrannical leaders and abusive parents (especially narcissists)
I…never really thought about it like that
I don't know why people think God is able to be get killed
Because in the rule God Must
Be:
Unkill able
Creator of everything
Never get old
Never even break bleed or sick
Can destroy anything without even trying
@@dumpanimator the rule of what
@@mcjavabelike8320 well sorry if you don't understand in muslim Godhave some characteristic that only God have in total it was 20
@@dumpanimator im pretty sure its 99
As a goblin once said, “do you know what the people wanna see more than a hero prevail, is to see a hero fail”.
There's a quote from an odd WH40k book where Tzeentch says to a character who had left chaos 'what we need aren't more servants but traitors' to perpetuate the great game.
", fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you"
Ive always cringed at this saying its such a edgy lonely alpha anime villian saying god i hate it
@@antx_soulsborne_meat_rider but is it wrong tho?
I believe the movie Labyrinth kinda illustrates your point of loosing faith in a god in order to defeat it with the line “You have no power over me.”
That’s something that practically never happens in hollywood
6:08 Dagoth-Ur looks so sick rendered in your art style!
In the words of my favorites cracked out wizard principal from DnD: "You can't kill a god, unless you kill all of their followers"
“Unless you’re the Lady of Pain, of course.”
Ah yes, genocide
@@sarko3220It’s only a 100,000 people, light work.
I played a campaign where to kill a god you have to either be a god or use a gods soul as a weapon, then I went to town on the god of shadows while using the god of madness as a blade.
bro trust me The trinity will seek vengeance upon this, this is the only religion that actually does not care after all their children have died on earth and butchering the entirety of earth.
Another Good example in videogames is the Radiance in Hollow Knight, a deity that was almost completely forgotten in the kingdom of Hallownest in favor of revering the Pale king, and the associated infection ravaging Hallownest, turning bugs savage and hostile being the result of the Radiance influencing the inhabitants through their dreams as a desperate survival bid not to be forgotten
Ngl, even as an hk fan, i was not expecting the Radiance to be brought up.
Imagine no-one thinks of you so you just stop existing lmao
@@doog462 reminds me of a scene in Percy Jackson
@@doog462 that's another philosophical idea I've heard a lot, and it applies to humans too--the idea that people forgetting you is a more permanent death than simply your body dying
@@SirPogsalotCreates well yeah but in the moment its just kinda desperate to me
Also didn’t expect you here
Your intro mentioned an interest in killing gods even though we create them. I think this speaks to the human desire to be problem solvers, plus the curiosity and determination to test our own limits. Solving a problem feels good internally (and due to praise from others) so even if there is no problem to solve we will created problems out of boredom.
I loved this contemplation of the death/murder of gods. One of my favorite videos I've seen was this video talking about the relationship between Japan and Religion to explain why killing gods is such a common trope in their RPGs.
To put that excellent analysis into as short a form as possible, Japan's government(s) for a very long time saw religion as a tool to consolidate power. That's why they hated newer religious movements (like Christianity) that put the rules of worship and virtue in the hands of individuals.
Japan even had created a government sanctioned version of Shinto at one point that while not practiced widely today, still heavily influences their traditions and festivals.
But as time went on, and governments swaped, the government sanctioned religions eventually died, giving way to the Emperor as their living God. To die for your God was the highest honor, so when Japan began to industrialize and seek new lands to continue that growth, many soldiers fought for their God-Emperor.
But in the end, this would stop, too, with the end of World War 2. The Emperor was forced to state publicly he was not a God, and while the institution of the Japanese Monarchy lives on today, just like those Shinto traditions they are shadows of their former heights.
With this, America brought with them a new God for Japan to worship... Capitalism. This system which brought great prosperity and wealth to the country. Emperors and Gods and spirits where replaced with bosses, executives, shareholders, Corporations.
The God-Corporation is central to this analysis. An organization of massive influence and control and capital that the Japanese, just as with their Emperor, swore their lives to, not for promises of heaven, but heaven on Earth. And for a while the promise was kept, but with the crash of the 90s and the lost decade turning quickly into the lost 30 years, many Japanese people suffer in disgruntled silence with no end to the culture of working oneself to death.
But in their stories, this rich and storied tradition of Japan murdering its own Gods with ruthless efficiency echoes over and over as a reminder that these God Corporations aren't immortal and aren't invincible. That they can be beaten. And I think that's a takeaway that America desperately needs as well.
It's the Moon Channel video isn't it? That was a great video. In terms of my view on the issues besetting Japan, I don't necessarily think the corporations are 100% to blame. At the very least, they don't seem to be as egregious in their lobbying of the government to preserve their monopolies as the US' big corporations are. Rather, the mix between the job market and Japanese culture and ideals of productivity can be somewhat detrimental to their well-being. Japanese see productivity as a function of hours worked, when what productivity really means is output per amount of time worked. It isn't really culturally ingrained there that one can be just as committed and devoted to their job and contributing society even if they work less hours, just by being more efficient. That's why East Asian countries don't really tend to be that much more efficient even though they work way harder. Which isn't necessarily a bad value - it certainly has its merits. But it's taken to an extreme there, where workers are practically forced to take vacations through government mandates because they wouldn't take paid leave otherwise, due to the culture of again, less hours worked = less productivity leading to some feeling shame for taking breaks or retiring early. In a sense, you can say that the real God of modern day Japan is the job culture. Outside of that, corporations in Japan practically ensure job security, like they'll give you offers straight out of university and don't lay off employees too much. The main gripe I have is that Japan's job market isn't that flexible, like it's hard to quit one company to transfer to another.
I love talebot's personalty being explored more with each video!
I'm on the other side of things. It's really not my vibe and distracts me quite a bit from focusing on the topics being discussed.
Is that his name? I always thought of him as The Talesmith.
Recently discovering him, its very charming to have a story teller thats not quite human but has a developing personality, almost like as he learns of our tales he develops himself, its really cool
@@AyyyyyyyyyLmaoI’m with you. I think a little personality is enough - commentary with personality keeps the content fresh and not rote and boring. But I personally don’t come to these videos for Talebot lore
The character building is LOVELY for sure
My favorite way a god can die, story-wise, is when everyone forgets about them by (intentionally or not) removing everything that being represents, thus causing them to cease to exist
Yes, that's the way
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For a 2nd class god those who are not creators merely byproducts of creation, kinda pathetic if you think about it.
Ah, so like Hollow Knight.
@@quentonfrancis2616Exactly like Hollow Knight. Radiance is the prime example of this, I would think.
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I like the theory of a circular relationship. Gods give humans the essentials for life (like rain, animals, reality itself), what if humans gave Gods something in return for their lives?
It also stands to reason that severing this relationship would theoretically kill a God, but also kill the humans that relied on it.
So that makes godslaying a session of "fuck around, find out" then 😂
I once tried writing a suicidal goddess character. She was a goddess of betrayal. Her nature forced her to always turn on those she was supposedly working with. She hated this, but there was no way around it. Eventually, she decided she'd rather die than carry on like this. In her story world, she can't really be killed by normal means, and her power will be passed on to the nearest person when it happens, and because she's doing it to help her family not have to deal with her problems anymore, she can't do it herself. So she sets up a series of tests on a world populated by humans, meant to lead them to the way to kill her and make sure the one who does it meets her moral standards - without her being involved so directly that her nature forces her to abort the project. Then she settles down and waits.
She doesn't succeed. Another god who needs her alive intervenes and misleads the humans following her trail.
That's pretty cool,.
Ok now write her giving birth
@@Gabrielfromuktrakill Would be a neat scenario, but I don't really see her getting into the sort of relationship necessary, since she knows she'll end up backstabbing the other guy eventually.
@@greenapple9477 Thanks!
i’d love to read this !! is such a great idea
JPRGs have been training me in the art of God-killing since I was a child! The SMT series is pretty famous/infamous for it's "ONE MORE GOD REJECTED" reputation, and having you even fight *record scratch* at one point by defying their claims to divinity.
A meaningless jesture the amala system guarantees an endless supply, lol.
Yeah. I have recently started Persona 5 Royal. Can't wait to get Satan to shoot a god in the head.
I was kinda disappointed that FFXVI made me kill *god* *AGAIN* still loved the game tho
remember when in doubt megidolaon if that doesnt work use more megidolaon.
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My favorite series, Practical Guide to Evil, has two types of gods. The divine, the ones that created the world, and mortals, who attain a deeper understanding of how the world works, coupled with great power. The story never really features the divine type, but there are many of the latter. There are variations within the second type, and some of the lesser gods are naturally forming, but in this world, the characters can generally perform a ritual or some such and attain a godhead. The main character, who's killed multiple of the second type, became one briefly, and then became high priestess of one (two), mentions that you kill the latter type by creating a new one. A person who can stand on equal footing with your target. That makes sense. Of course. Destroying power with equal or stronger power. But in this story, there is an instance about two fifths of the way through, where she vows to end the King of Winter. With the help of a very intelligent character, she tricks the Queen of Summer to marry the king, and in that way, their nature, is changed fundamentally, and their previous versions, the rulers of Winter and Summer, are considered to be dead. This has been a very meandering comment that I made. But I'm obsessed with this series. And it's interesting, the thoughts that came to me while typing this that I didn't include here.
Bro, made an eight paragraph essay
Never thought I would see Catherine's Foundling's enthusiast on a TH-cam comment. I'm pleasantly surprised. How she handles the Fae became my favourite way of dealing with forces larger than your self. Just the lore and power of stories was so unique through out. One of the best stories I've ever read, can't wait till enough time has passed and I've forgotten most of it so I can reread it again.
@@ericjames7753 Right? That's why I talk about the Guide everywhere it can even be remotely connected with. I love the series so much.
I thought Amadeus explained how to kill gods ? At least he explained that there were gods and Gods.
And the middle divine gods were featured and thouroughly forked with. Keep going you magnificient cripple !!. ( The choirs are somewhere between creation and empowerd beings )
She was also one of the protagonists with the best reason to put down gods. .. Stop pissing me off or I have to come for you ..
One of my favorite stories is the tweet from Alex Hirsch.
During the development of the last season of Gravity Falls the production team were brainstorming how the protagonists (two normal children) could defeat Bill Cipher, who basically was an all powerfull interdimensional being who could destroy entire galaxies with a snap of his fingers.
So for months everytime someone came visting the Disney studio they would see a large whiteboard with a large chart written on it: “HOW TO KILL GOD?”
And the idea they came up with wasn't very logical
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl A con man conning the being with the biggest ego ever? Pretty logical to me.
@@ThyBigCheddar yeah but bill is even a bigger con man. And he has God powers
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl And has a giant ego, basically already won and is overconfident in believing that Stan is the same as him.
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hlL + ratio
For the life of me I cannot picture Tale Foundry’s voice as human
Me neither 💀
I hope they never do a face reveal, it would be very confusing
I doubt the person/team behind this talks like in every day situations.
@@oida10000 yeah all youtubers have a youtube voice
The voice reminds me of Shadow Weaver from She-Ra, and the funny thing is that the character always wears a mask where only the eyes have expression.
"One of the best way to kill a god is ignoring them"
Radiance: "mind control over people who forget me goes brrtrrrr"
"If you want to kill a god, you must forget about it."
"I WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN"
"well shit."
Theres just something so... Human, about creating something and then being afraid of it and wanting to kill it.
Since you referenced Theros from Magic: the Gathering, I think I found another way to Kill, or at least alter, a god in fiction, that is depending on the laws of your world. One of the big reveals at the end of Theros, beyond Death, is that though you can’t necessarily neglect a god into non-existence, if you build enough of a following, you can become a god and slay one. You can also weaken a god to if you get more faith than it, and if you can corrupt the perception of a god than you can corrupt the god itself. At the End of TBD Elspeth literally takes her shadow spear and convinces everyone that her spear is the real Spear of Heliod (the Sun God), and Heliod’s spear just becomes a normal spear. And in March of the Machine, when the Phyrexians invade Theros, the “compleat” the population (think, turn into I have no mouth and I must scream monstrosity), they compleat the gods, and turn them into evil phyrexian deities.
Sounds a lot like the Deer God of SCP. The Foundation does a series of "rituals" to keep the god sealed away, but in reality, it's completely useless. The god, however, BELIEVES the rituals are very powerful, and so it remains contained.
@@Torriotorres then commented and went on to like your own comment? eesh
The novel my vampire system has a same thing where if you have enough people that remember / worshipped someone they become a God that can be reincarnated as long as even 1 person remembers them
I just realized the grammar here is painful.
I love how talebot can be so robotic but emotional and meaningful at the same time.
He isn't very robotic at all though... and the kayfabe is kinda tedious.
It's just a dude with a cartoon avatar but ok
@@FrankCosbyNo-Relation r/wooosh
@@VoxTheUkrainianComrade you're misusing that, but good try
@@FrankCosbyNo-RelationR/wooosh
Krato’s search history be like:
Thanks, I use this in my day to day life!
You’d absolutely adore the SCP “Metagnostic” which very much dives into things like the murder of Gods and it’s consequences.
The DEER pokes at this too, though it's more about the containment of Gods at mortal hands- it's less about how the ritual actually accomplishes containment and more about the DEER believing it's working, implying that the divine operates on ideas and the abstract.
There is also this organization in the scp universe known as "awcy" who tried to kill scp 001 the scarlet king with a giant middle finger.
@@gideonbentula9418a LITERAL giant middle finger?
@@RyanAlpha yes a giant middle finger that says "f*ck you scarlet king!"
There are much more SCPs that do this. SCP-001, the database, is the Foundation realising it's fiction and trying to kill the Authors, who they believe to be gods. SCP-3309 is another attempt, as is SCP 5999. Metagnostic is probably the lamest way the Foundation has tried to kill gods, because they're only trying to kill fictional gods. Stories where they think they're killing our universe's "Gods" are the most interesting. It really feels like we're peering into another world trying to interact with us (and kill us)
That's why this phrase always affects me "you don't die when you're buried, you're killed when you're forgotten
I always heard it as "You die two deaths. Once, when you are buried, and forever once you are forgotten." Hits hard, regardless.
@@0Rookie0 I always remember the phrase "people die if are killed", which really resonates with me, because people do in fact die when they are killed.
@@m1lkr1ce24archer class made out of archers, isn't it?
"know that the god killing sword has a double edge, take caution that you do not end yourself in the prosess" has such a powerful meaning!
if there is a god, or if there isn't, it is certainly more comforting to believe that there is somebody out there to take care of you, and made an afterlife for you!
Until it gives you cancer I guess
Your intro is so beautifully animated!
I remember reading a really interesting Percy Jackson fanfiction where the gods can only die if they think they're about to die. Kinda a strange weakness, but it's definitely an interesting one .
Imagine a pantheon ends because of a con artist
10 bottles of Jack Daniels and a needlessly intense theme park ride later...
reminds me of maryanne, the maenad from true blood. she could only die willingly, so they had to trick her into it
That reminds me of Schrodinger* from hellsing. As long as he believes that he can survive it, he will. But if he wants to or believes he can die, he might just die from that alone. It's a very interesting method of immortality that fits very well for gods formed of human belief. They were made by belief, and their own belief ends them.
*stupid autocorrect.
There are couples of ways to kill gods (objectively making Egyptians shamans the strongest faction considering they can technically genocide all pantheon in their world if they wanted to)
Probably my favorite story of gods potentially being killed is once again from Discworld by Terry Pratchett in The Last Hero. In it a bunch of old barbarians, annoyed at how their lives have ended up and wanting one final adventure before passing on, decide to kill all the gods of the Discworld, annoyed at them for always playing with their lives in their celestial games. They do this by climbing Cori Celesti, the mounting at the centre of the Disc where all the gods reside, with a bomb.
Most of the books is them climbing the mountain, another band of characters trying to catch up with them to stop them, and the gods themselves watching them and betting with one another on how far they will come. When both parties get to the top of the mountain, Cohan, the head barbarian faces against the gods, threatening them with their explosive. The gods all grin back saying no mortal device like that could harm them. Cohan just nods and says yes, I don't think it will either. But it will destroy most of the moutain... and every person on the Disc is going to see the home of the gods errupt into a fire ball. What do you think people will believe then? Since belief is what keeps gods alive, there is a wonderfull penny drops moment when the deities all realise that they are in fact in very real danager. In it is the great line from the Gods "... sometimes forgot what happened if you let a pawn get all the way up the board."
And..... How isn't that everyone else would think that the gods are false not that the explosion is them fighting against each other or simply them destroying the barbarians?
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hlI believe the notion is that they'd think they're dead, and I mean. It's discworld. It wouldn't be that weird.
@@The_Bird_Bird_Harder making your story inconscient in its weirdness is just used to cover up for plot holes.
If the gods followers are so willing to jump at first conclusion that is against them.
How did they even gain and keep their following?
Also it lacks understanding of nature of deeply rooted beliefs and how people are willing to even accept out right lies to maintain said beliefs
Not jump at first possibility that contradicts them
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl It's discworld my guy. It's meant to be comedic. There's a magically radioactive veritable graveyard behind a college full of extraordinarily lazy mages.
It's for fun, and the notion of someone threatening the gods with a bomb, is fun. Them being gods is just a matter of fact, not necessarily of awe, death has a granddaughter named Susan after all.
@@The_Bird_Bird_Harder the funniest part is that all that is perfectly accurate to the discworld, but sounds like complete gibberish if you haven’t read it. Hit ‘em over the head with the hard facts (and in the ankh-morpork fashion, kick ‘em inna fork afterwards).
I love how Path of Exile does its cosmology, essentially making it so you can ascend to godhood trough sheer power, making it not just a backstory for ARPG where you kill gods (by acquiring sheer power), but also a philosophical commentary on the concept of power itself, with how those who ascended to godhood are often total sociopaths of just beasts. There's no sort of check of whether any god is good or whether any god "should" have the power, they just do and things like sociopathy or insanity are possibly even helpful in that process.
Deicide is one of my favorite tropes ever. Even if it's hopeless, fighting against something so absolute. And then WINNING.
I think the idea of killing a god via forgetting/lack of belief is super interesting. One of the most well known Japanese bullet hell franchises, Touhou, uses that idea for 90% of its characters. Every yōkai and god, aside from a small handful, that still exist have to live within Gensokyo because if they don't they will quickly disappear due to lack of belief. If I remember correctly one of the fighting game spin-offs, Urban Legend in Limbo, actually kind of played with it even more by giving characters a chance to visit the "Outside World" (Earth) by connecting them to various urban legends, and thus giving them enough "belief" to exist outside the Gensokyo barrier for a short time.
I knew there was going to be this type of comment. Ye I do find it interesting that Youkai's and Gods rely on since it's not something you can find in most fiction. I haven't play ULiL much but I guess I should play it more often for the story
Rick Rordian's Percy Jackson does this as well with Grover meeting the God Pan who's only alive because of Grover's unwavering belief in him.
It that why this gods keep having kids
@@henreymichelsonI don't think Pan has kids.
@@henreymichelson Canonically they just have trouble keeping it in their pants
@@Beulraeki isn’t he barely alive only because of one guy who really believes in him
@@henreymichelsonno, I think he willed himself to stay alive long enough to meet the one who was most devoted, and give him his final message.
It reminds me about dnd where an archmage killed the goddess of magic to take her place, but that led to magic collapsing and many many floating cities losing their magic that kept them floating which... wasn't good for whatever was living there or beneath it haha
The guy that did this got cursed and is the great old one now, and became a warlock patron
His curse is the nearly endless amount of blood he spilled. He sprays fountains of blood from his body permanently, and if you get near him you will do the same if you have any wounds, or even through closed skin if you stay nearby for a few minutes.
Just wanted to infodump lol
I absolutely love this channel. The thing discussed in the video is so easily understandable and it's not simplified either. The voice is also quite soothing.
I love how Japanese games and light novels tend to have a lovecraftian god as the final boss, there's nothing greater and more threatening than this, and it's a wonderful visualisation to show how far the heroes have come and how they've grown. I recently played Final Fantasy XIV and the final battle was like that too, the visual presentation and storytelling was phenomenal - in the end, the hero couldn't win without his friends and the cheesy light of hope lmao. Guilty pleasure.
What I find funny is FF XIV takes place in a world where the scientist/wizards have QUANTIFIED the power of prayer, exactly what souls are made of, and what is necessary to create and unmake various godlike beings. lol
If it can be killed, it was never truly Lovecraftian.
The elder gods represent natural forces that are inevitable and beyond humanity's reason.
Cthulhu will rise up when the world ends. The Earth will die in a few billion years, and there is nothing we can do about it. Cthulhu isn't even a real god, he's just the high priest.
In the case of Azathoth, the ignorant sultan, killing him is just lunacy. Waking him from his eternal slumber will cause the universe to have never existed in the first place. Hero tries to kill Azathoth, well congratulations, now the hero never existed in the first place. Azathoth is the ultimate "it was all just a dream" trope. Hero does something epic, but it doesn't matter since it was all just a dream, quickly forgotten by the idiot god. The best way to help is to write a lullaby to keep him asleep.
Now, if the universe is trapped in perpetual suffering, waking the slumbering old one to end the nightmare could be seen as a noble tragedy.
Now, there are many amazing stories about killing powerful gods that are really fun, emotional, meaningful and memorable, I have read quite a good amount myself. Just be cautious throwing around the term "lovecraftian" when describing gods. The greatest victory in Lovecraft's stories was when humanity was outright ignored by the old ones.
Is the Final Fantasy series a good one?
@@stephaniet1389 if it exists it can be undone, we can probably stop or at least delay almost permanently the end of earth as an example, even the end of the sun could be stopped outright with technology such as star lifting, in that same way who is to say that Cthulhu couldn't be bested by humanity, those stories were writen even before the concept of nuclear weapons or quantum mechanics existed
one of the things that i personally dislike the most about so called "eldritch horror" is how much it diminishes humanity's very real power over the universe that we live in, the reason why climate change is a thing is because of us and its a problem that we have the power to fix, the earth being consumed by the sun in billions of years is something that we could theoretically stop, even the end of the universe is not necessary to be an absolute
ultimately if you bring a modern tank to a medieval world you would be an unstoppable unkillable god, right now we are discussing if such machines of war have been left behind by advancements in technology, as we progress and advance further and further what we consider invincible and incomprehensible changes and gets pushed farther and farther away
because while we may be just a microscopic spec of dust in an endless sea, we are a spec of dust that has learned to care for others specs of dust, we have learned how to change the tides and affect the coastlines, who is to say where our limits lie
*laughs nervously in smt*
It's important to note that Dagoth Ur was essentially an Elven dude who stole an actual god's wifi, and you beat him by severing his connection to that god's heart with divine instruments. Lorkhan's heart then teleports away, since it was held in place by Dwarven enchantments for several millennia. No actual gods were harmed during the adventures in Morrowind, just pretenders and avatars, like Hircine's avatar.
Except for Vivec, he technically is a legit god
@@JohnBrown-tw2qi: Vivec, Sotha Sil, Almalexia and Dagoth Ur are all the same thing: Chimer who sucked power from the Heart of Lorkhan like a bunch of babies squabbling over a sippy cup. The Elder Scrolls lore contains at least 4 different types of being which are worshipped as "gods" of different kinds (Lorkhan being among them somewhere), and even then they are simply derivatives of the primary forces of Anu and Padomay...
So no... Vivec is not a legit god... or it wouldn't be so easy to kill him with sufficiently advanced Dwemer technology... or a custom spell... or a sufficiently strong sword... and steal his soul with Azura's Star... and use it to enchant a butter knife.
@@SotiCoto except Vivec achieved Chim and is fully aware that he’s in a game, making him a reality warper even without the heart.
@@JohnBrown-tw2qi: It was a direct consequence of the heart's power, but it isn't like achieving Chim grants power in and of itself. Only awareness. In a manner of speaking all Elder Scrolls protagonists, or at least those who aren't playing the game completely blind, have some measure of Chim... and apparently even though Vivec could see through time non-linearly, he didn't understand the basic physics of what he did with the Ministry of Truth... and he certainly failed to account for his being soul-trapped and enchanted into a butterknife by someone with vastly more combat potential than himself (at least at that point in time).
@JohnBrown-tw2qi
I thought part of Elder Scrolls was that in-universe lore was subjective to let players come up with their own ideas of what happened or not? What I mean is, while Vivec says he got most of his power and wisdom from CHIM, if you go with the idea that the Tribunal betrayed and/or killed Nerevar, some might think he's making CHIM up.
Holy heck, you guys are getting close to one million. I wish I could subscribe and help you get there, but I've already been subscribed to your channel for a while.
I've never seen your videos or channel before today but that intro animation is mesmerising.
“I’m a god! How can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence!”
Seriously though, this is a fascinating topic and I sure hope to see more of it.
Edit: Hahaha, of course, Dagoth Ur is in this. Perfection.
also didn't he litterally kill gods himself before becoming one?
I clicked on this video just to find or type this
@@clintonbehrends4659uh.. maybe
@@clintonbehrends4659 that doesnt matter, his line is just makin fun of you like saying "look at the audacity of this mf"
Gods when I pull out Cosmic worm that summons the devourer of gods: 😱😱😱
Not enough people give credit to Jacob wrestling with a cosmic-level being to a standstill way back in Genesis. He hurt his leg in the process but got a fancy new name referencing the feat and a blessing out of it so, you know, pretty good by god-fighting standards.
He wasn’t fighting HaShem though, he was fighting his brother, who he thought was an angel.
@@totallyrealnotfakelifeadvi7547 Hmm, never heard that one, most traditional Jewish commentaries state that it was Esau's angel, or possibly the Satan, and Rambam (who generally takes the rationalist approach) says it was a dream. I guess you're taking it from a more modern approach?
But anyway, angels totally count as "gods" in this context. They're conceptually on the level of polytheistic gods in terms of power, Judaism and its spin-offs are just opposed to worshipping them because it's "worshipping the servants in place of the master".
@@indigofenix00 literally no Jewish commentary, especially Maimonides, has ever said that he was fighting Satan. I think you don’t know what you’re talking about, as everything you say from there on out is rubbish.
@@totallyrealnotfakelifeadvi7547no he wasn't, he was fighting an angel or... someone
*interesting* with great power. Jacob and Esau were passed their sibling quarrel arc at that point
@indigofenix00
Yeah. The idea that in Abrahamic religions, the Polytheistic/Pagan gods are often seen as "Fallen Angels" and/or Nephilum, makes a lot of sense.
"Godly power", but not truly God Himself.
One of my favorite god killing stories is Dragon's Dogma. The story is a never ending cycle to hone and temper a person with the will to keep the world turning. To be the world's steward. It takes many tries. Many many failed candidates but eventually someone rises and takes the mantle. Its a beautiful story
Sounds similar to Dark Souls, though its a little less about stewardship and beauty in that game
gosh i wish your channel wouldn't be a rare exception
the quality of the stuff you put out is amazing
I was working on a setting once where gods were beings that existed in another plane of existence, and their ability to manifest in our world was essentially like casting a shadow on a wall. Could mortals kill this avatar? Absolutely, but not easily. But if someone stabs your shadow, will you die? No. So, if you did kill a god, he'd be coming right back, angry, with friends, and in a form a lot less humanoid and a lot more Lovecraftian, ready to let you know how he felt about it.
What you are talking about isnt a god.
I am a bit confused by how many people in the comments think of gods as killable. Or even able to be angry at mortals. Gods are supposed to be the creator type deities of the world. Those who are perfect, stand above all, observe at best and influence at worst. If you piss off a god who created your world, you may as well simply vanish on the spot, the god doesnt need to be vindictive about it cause they are all powerful. Whats the point for a god to toy with a mortal? Cause they are bored? Then they arent a god either.
What you guys, all of you, are creating are for all intent and purpose cosmic beings of immense power. But if you even are able to actually kill it for even a moment (and I mean ACTUALLY KILL IT and it needs to reform and take shape from the attack or heal) then that simply isnt a God.
As for the "Lovecraftian" form: What you mean is Cosmic Horror. And Im glad you bring it up cause Lovecraft has ACTUAL GODS in his stories. Such as the sleeping god Azathoth, who is the soul reason why our world supposedly exists in the first place as our world is part of its dream. And here are two key aspects of Azathoth: It can create a world outside of its influence and also it cannot be reached nor killed by us. THAT is what makes this thing, this being, this monster: A god. It is untouchable, unreachable, unkillable.
Thats the cristian approach,quite the novelty approach for most of history gods could be killed
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I disagree.
Not all gods are creator gods. There are several polytheistic religions where gods aren't omnipotent but represents and influence certain aspects of the world.
Also, while we developed the thinking, that gods can't absolutely not be killed, it doesn't change that the people from the past had gods who could be killed.
Take the Germanic gods or even the Japanese kamis. Both are gods and surpass humanity with their powers and influence the world.
And still, they can die. Not by humans, but still by other gods and god-like creatures.
This is what people have believed in, and so, they are true gods.
Also, there are religions like the Hellenism and Hinduism (at least I think the Hinduism has this system too), where gods are parts of the universe itself and so, are influenced by its nature.
And because of that, they can be angry, sad, empathic, vicious, righteous and kind. It's part of the universe.
Chaos and order are natural things which exist in this world. In the end, it is all about balance.
Also, you think "true" gods, would never feel angered because they are perfect. The mortal part aside. Why would a god perfect if he or it, has never emotions?
To lack emotions is in my eyes, a weakness too because you will be unable to comprehend why certain living beings act like they act.
Irrationality would become a concept which such a god could never understand and because he or it wouldn't understand it, it lacks in perfection.
And a god who or which is always in stagnation can't be perfect, too.
He or it, wouldn't even be interacting with the world, at least not cautiously. If you always stand still, are stocked in stagnation, unable to feel or to do anything, then you are limited and can't be perfect.
Of course, emotions can also be a hindrance, hence, they can also help to understand what the creations feel.
DnD and DnD based games may have changed the former understanding of gods, because what in the Germanic religion gods are, are demi-gods or lesser gods in the DnD system. Nevertheless, it doesn't change the fact, that the Germanic tribes who believe in their gods, still have viewed them as true gods.
Not to forget that Outer Realms in ancient religions were pretty rare. The only former religions where I think they could have something like this would be the Hellenism and Hinduism, as they have conceptual entities who exist on a whole another plane than the Olymp pantheon which is more connected to the mortal realm than the conceptual entities like Nix or Aether who *are* parts of the universe.
And in Hinduism there is a god who is all and everything which exist.
He is male and female, man and woman, life and death, existence and non-existence, he is me and you, he/she can die and in the same time can't die.
That's the god/goddess what he/she is.
What is weird though is, that he/she exist on a whole other plane than our universe but is still the universe and all universes which he/she creates.
And nope, that's not Marvel/DC-fiction but a "real" god from a real religion.
Anyway. In short: there are many several religions and every religion has their own system. Some are just reduced to our universe, others have several different realms, and then there are others which possess outer realms too.
In some religions the gods can die and in other religions they cannot.
But in the end they have all in common, that their gods are true gods. And they are true gods because they have in common that they cannot die and are invincible against the mortals.
@@GikamesShadow What's the point for a god to toy with a mortal? The Sims. I rest my case.
@@GikamesShadow no you got it wrong, god is the supreme leader of the universe, he is not omnipotent...
One of my favorite instances of a god being destroyed in fiction is in Zelda: Link Between Worlds. While not a literal "god," the Tri-Force is the essence of the Divine in Hyrule and, as we find out in the game, Lorule as well. Wars were fought for control of the Tri-Force, so the people of Lorule destroyed it to put an end to those wars. They quickly realized their mistake, as their world started falling apart. The Tri-Force is the very foundation of their world.
This is one thing I don't often see addressed in Maltheistic fiction, or otherwise in stories about killing gods. Socrates said that the Greek gods were personifications of natural forces. They, basically, govern those natural forces. So, if they die, what happens to those natural forces? Do they fade with the gods? Do they grow out of control and behave wildly? This is an even bigger question when dealing with a Monotheistic God. A Monotheistic God is, usually, the creator of all that exists. This begs the question, can anything exist without that God?
Well, some Greek gods govern same things, or different aspects of same thing, so there is margin of safety. Also some things appear before birth of their god, and some just control their god, not other way around. Like Aphrodite, goddess of love, constantly falling in love even when its turn out terrible for her.
They're doing a pretty good job of it right now... so I'd say so. Yeah. But then the idea of all instances of some natural force everywhere being contingent on some bloke sitting on a cloud or whatever and suddenly collapsing if he kicks the bucket strikes me as a little... bizarre. I mean presumably, in the way of anthropomorphism... if one killed a god of thunder, for instance... wouldn't another god of thunder just take his place?
I agree. I think that if you were to kill a god, you either mantle them and take their place, or a new one forms.
Alternatively...nothing happens at all. Perhaps even gods aren't as important as once thought.@@SotiCoto
I've always thought the natural force becoming chaotic once their god dies is an underexplored trope in fiction
Maybe it causes physical changes in the real world, and the way humans react to it changes the pantheon of gods.
For example, killing the god of Harvest causes mass-famine, and people turn to other food sources like fish or tubers. Some cities collapse, taking their patron gods down with them. Eventually the lesser-known god of Millet becomes the new god of Harvest.
This could work well as a climate-change analogy.
Thanks for the tutorial I've been looking for a tutorial about this topic. Really appreciate it
This was one of the best videos I have seen in a while. Keep up the good work.
This channel has helped me so much with my writing, thank you so much
lmao they should use this channel for my english writing class lol
thanks for the tutorial, it helped alot
I really like the idea of gods dying by being forgotten.
Heavy Elder Scrolls spoilers:
In ESO's Necrom DLC, you join Hermaeus Mora in keeping the forgotten god Ithelia chained by literally keeping the memories of her out of everyone's minds. The moment someone remembers her- ironically by pulling the memory out of Hermaus himself- she is unchained.
"a tarnished cannot become a lord...not even you
A man cannot kill a god"
-sir Gideon ofnir
Elden ring
Elden Ring's lore and cosmology is so endlessly fascinating. The dynamic between Demigods and the role of Empyrean, like Malenia's cruel inhabitation by the God of Rot, is a rich breeding ground for tragedy and meditations on free will.
Kratos : do you know how many of them I’ve killed?
Ultima in FFXVI is an example of a godly figure who underestimates his creation and can’t fathom why humans continue to suffer on despite facing the inevitability of their demise as a species
My God will never die 💪
I LOVE LOVE LOVE the intro sequence that you use for your videos!
I feel that another reason is simply to show sheer power, the idea of a mortal destroying something above them on so many levels is inspiring it’s like a super version of the underdog troupe.
Although, often times these gods aren’t presented as holy, but more so as Demiurge or a False God. A way to justify this murder.
My own personal world I’m building for my DND game is very much revolves around the question of what gods are and their death. I’ve been really inspired by this video and funny enough, The King in Yellow as well. Thank you!
What's the mechanic?
In Lost Carcosa.
Man i love these documentaries
Thx for the advice,really need this 😊
My favorite author who touches on a god's (or other imortal creature) death, is Rick Riordan and his books.
For the greek/roman stories (Percy Jackson, Heros of Olympus, Trials of Apollo, side stories) it is said very clearly that, you cant really "kill" a god, monster, or related creature. You can hurt them, to the point where they might even be unable to act, but you cant stab a god and expect him to perish. However, they can "die" usually by either A, like said in the video, simply being forgoten to a point where existance is meaningless. Think, the hundred handed ones, of whom only one remains, or Harpocrates, a god who was willed into being by the belief and misunderstanding of the mortals, who ends up hoping that, soon enough people will forget him so that he can pass. Or, by destruction of their domain. Think Pan, who dies in the labranth before passing his power to the nature spirits because his domain has been destroyed so much, or Posiedon, who although doesnt end up going away, is shown to be greatly weakened as his domain is under threat.
For the Norse story (Magnus Chase), most of the gods arn't able to die, because their fate is already fortold. You cant kill Odin until Fenrir is set free and eats him. You cant kill Loki or Heimdal, because they are destined to kill eachother. Can you hurt these guys in the mean time? Yes. Several foes are greatly hurt to the point where they are nolonger a threat for the time being, even in the mythology it's self.
For the Egyptian story (Kane Chronicles), we are shown that gods need hosts to do stuff in our world, and these hosts can die, we have a few examples. But the gods themselves, dont. Sure you can cast them into to Duat and make their existance misrible, and other gods such as apofis and Set can potentially absorb the powers of other gods, but they couldn't really "die". They could grow weak by being forgoten or without purpose or some other form maybe even fade, but we arnt sure. Or so we first beleve. There is a way, destroying their shadow, essentially the part of a soul that shows your impact on the world, if you cast no shadow at all, whats the point of your existence. This is shown when, at the climax of the final instalment, Apofis is destoyed after his shadow is.
And there is of corse much more that I havent written, such as how gods could be brought back, even in limited form. But I think this is still good enough to sufice (:
pls continue
Thanks for your thoughts, and I was a big fan of Rick Riordan's work when I was in Middle and High school (I still think they're good books I just haven't read a new one in a minute). I think it is kind've similar to God of War (GoW) in a way. As Kratos kills the Greek Pantheon there are immediate and massive changes to the environment such as flooding and surges after Poseidon dies and an eternal eclipse after Apollo dies (if I am not mistaken). I think it would be cool to see a deception of a creator god who does not even need to speak; and that if they can imagine the idea of something and will it to be, it will happen or exist. They just will things in their heads and they happen so the idea of war is unthinkable, because how do you fight a being who can simply will you into non-existence? Please tell me your thoughts and have a good night.
i kinda was looking for this comment
@@jamesbao1111 What do you think?
I love Magnus Chase. Very good books, love the humor.
I like what they did in 'Death of the Outsider', where they had to figure out what the Outsider is, then how to kill him (well, Daud did anyway)
And then we find out there's more than just the god everyone's been afraid of in that world, and the Outsider was someone's effort to make magic more human.
Or rather an attempt to put a face to the void itself, a representation of the abyss that the inhabitants of the ingame world both reviled and worshiped. He was meant to serve more as a cross between a sacrifice and a patron god that few managed to directly interact with.
Been working on the idea of " what if man became a god "
While the body and soul begin to transcend time and space the mind is very much human and cannot handle it's new existence and the new experience so in a subconscious defensive mechanism forces his way " down " through time/space/reality/dimension etc.
Condensing themself as much as possible.
After some time being a spec of nothing in an empty void a new universe begins to form based on the lingering human concepts not just in reality but fiction creating a universe of fantasy and realism combined into a chaotic symphony of life.
All the while this new god has taken a more " physical " form and seems to have no memory before the new universe but can always feel something itching at the back of its infinite and unknowable mind.
First video of your I watched, INCREDIBLY UNDERRATED, animation was INCREDIBLE, I cannot express it.
I love love LOVE stories about mortals challenging the gods, because it can happen for so many different reasons. It can be about the hubris of man, or about defying fate, or about love. One of my favorite examples of this is the story of Orpheus and Eurydice, how Orpheus loves her so much that he’s willing to defy the order of nature and the gods themselves to bring her back (even though he ultimately fails). We create gods to give meaning to the terrible unknown and then we spit in the face of that unknown, almost as a way of taking that power back. It’s so very human.
I did NOT expect a Boondocks mention, but I was delighted by it. And by Terry Pratchett's 'Small Gods', too.
One of my favorite interpretation of how gods, or beings on par if not greater than them are born/created, is by how powerful their story is. Meaning what they have accomplished during their time existing or alive as a mortal. And what that establishes is that anyone or anything can become a god by acquiring for themselves multiple powerful stories or one giant story which impacts the entire world and ingrains itself into history. A human can be as powerful as a god but they still remain human. Whether or not they can become a god is their choice, and by that logic, if anyone is willing to kill a god, they must have stories that can rival that of a god.
That's literally the best animated intro to a video I've EVER seen
This video is so helpful because I am currently trying to write a story and one of the key lore in it is that humanity became so powerful that they evolved into gods( not in a divine way but in a POWER way) and humanity became split into good and bad, and thus after a war the good humans won and diminished the power of evil humans and imprisoned them, but many eons later humanity became extinct and the creatures that the humans ruled over (like humanoid and smarter forms of animals) worship the humans as gods for their power, but the evil humans returned and is trying to steal the life energy of the creatures to stay alive and regain their power, and thus the creatures are forced to fight back and defend themselves
So thanks for making this video I learned a lot and keep making them I love your channel!
Knew as soon as I saw the title that Gaiman would be in here somewhere. The number of characters in The Sandman who have to struggle with the dynamic of faith makes it an especially common theme there. Even the Endless are subject to human whims. As Dream tells Desire at the conclusion of Dolls House, "we do not control humanity. If anything, they control us."
This dude loves Gaiman lol
Great tutorial man gonna test this out for myself
My favourite example of a god being killed is in Percy Jackson, when pan is killed because humans neglected the forest life and killed most of it
Something I'd love to see more of in fiction is the mechanic of a god dying as part of their job. Comes up all the time in Egyptian mythology, with Osiris ruling in the land of the dead after being assassinated by his brother, or Ra making nightly journeys through the afterlife.
Closest fictional equivalent I can think of atm is GRR Martin's Drowned God in GoT. "What is Dead May Never Die!"
Death in Supernatural was like this. Death is unquestionably the strongest being because as Death he will be all that’s left in time and even says no god or even the Christian God is beyond his reach for in time even God himself will eventually die. He not malicious nor is he unfeeling, he’s just extremely cold because he knows everything he’s talking to and seeing will eventually die and it’s job to make sure that happens. The consequences of keeping a life going beyond what it was destined for will create problems and even gave one of the main characters a chance to play his role. The MC decided to spare a little girl who should have died and the consequences unforeseen from this rippled and led to events that would harm others and eventually through tears in his eyes the MC claimed the soul of the 10 year old girl. Death has been through that same sad event countless times and has the professionalism to not let emotions cloud his judgment. His theme song tells everything about him “no wealth, no ruin, no silver or gold, nothing satisfies me but your soul. My name is Death and the end is near”
End of The Sandman. Not gonna spoil it here, but its a doozy. The entire last volume is The Wake of a major death, that was necessary to progress.
@@fist-of-doom487and he dies pathetically by his own wepaon
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Supernatural fell off a long time before that if I’m being honest. That show wanted to end so many different times but was constantly being dragged around and revived.
Why not norse mythology, where gods had an afterlife, which meant gods were supposed to die at a certain point.
I like to think that gods while not being unkillable, can be restrained or weakened to the point that they can’t affect things the same way. In my narrative there is a god that is chained, constantly being weakened by his captors. He came for a visit in mortal form (he has a lady friend) and was captured using demigod restraining methods with a touch of help from an opposing god
this is basically how Morpheus is restrained in The Sandman. Magicians use weird occult magic with the help of an escaped nightmare and capture Dream for 100 year.s
Kind of like Sauron from LOTR. I know he isn't a god, but basically the same concept applies, even though he never truly dies, he basically can't do anything to Middle Earth anymore.
Ah, the “Dogma” approach.
Just wanna say the intro is amazing the artist did a wonderful job
Thanks bro I needed this tomorrow
It’s a long story but basically it’s something I can not let slide
I remember that line in the anime noragami that goes around this
"If they just forgot us gods, like having no shrines and prayers, we simply just fade away and cease to exist"
It still baffels me that this channel doesnt have a million+ subs. Absolutely amazing video and thought provoking, plase keep up the fantastic work!
This intro is some of the best animation I've ever seen! Well done!
Thanks for the tutorial, following this has been incredibly helpful. 10/10 guide.
If you haven't read the webcomic Kill Six Billion Demons, it taps into a lot of the themes of this episode. From Heaven being the built upon and within the corpses of dead gods that still wander around the landscape, to the seven current god-kings as they approach the end of the world, knowing that one of them will rise up to end it all. The series is in its final arc, but the world-building is fantastic. So many of the pages are accompanied by mythic sutras below it that flesh out so much of world that is left nebulous in the pages itself. I was going to provide more examples, but that would have stretched into spoiler territory.
More importantly, it addresses the consequences, especially in the final volumes, of what happens when God's die.
Norse gods: "just be strong enough and you should be able to do it, but watch out for prophecies"
Greek Gods: "you cannot kill them, especially the major ones (many minor ones are often just mortal as we are), but you can trick, hurt and contain them or make them powerless with certain weapons"
Egyptian gods: "you can kill them, but they are able to come back and they are actually more powerful when they are dead, but have less influence on earth. Make sure nobody prays to them, that makes them have less influence, but they could still create other gods that could kill you"
Semetic gods: "you can kill them, but they can come back, you need to overthrow them. Angels and capital G God are a bit more tricky, you can defeat angels with sorcery or if you are a human of faith. For the big G, maybe let him demonstrate paradoxes (like making him create a being stronger than him)"
Summerian gods: "they can be killed, but make sure to dissmember them and use the bodyparts to form something"
Indian Gods: "Depends what type of god. Devas are quite killable, many bodhisattvas already died and were sometimes mortal, the Isvaras are a bit more tough. Delete all of existence or something (not destroy, I mean delete for they are creation, preservation and destruction)"
Shinto and Daoistic Gods: "you can kill them, but make sure to block the underworld"
Traditional african gods: "they can die, but can come back. Maybe let them eat the food of the underworld"
Mesoamerican gods: "don't let anyone sacrifice to them and the kill them, but even if they are dimembered, they could still attack you"
Australian gods: "transform their bodies into something"
North american gods: "convince them to sacrifice themself"
Yet the Devourer of Gods still solos all of them neg diff
I'm missing Jesus, in his case it would be if you want to kill him, go ahead, do it, it's not difficult at all and he won't oppose it, but he will make sure that none of his followers stop you.
But killing him will be of no use as he will become even more powerful and loved and he will be able to continue interacting with his followers and with the world.
Just send Kratos and be done with it.
Australia has gods??
@@InfiniteGreninja yes, many actually. I don't know much, but there are as examples the sun goddess and a god of spirits. The gods from australian myth are quite overshadowed by the rainbow serpent
Thanks for the tutorial, really needed it.
I didn't not expect this to be this enjoyable and the animation was so good
One of my favorite instances of a godlike being getting "defeated" is in my absolute favorite game, the stanley parable. In it, you play a man named stanley, as an omnipotent "narrator" is telling you what to do with a script, but you can simply just... not do what he says.
Within the game, there is also a way for him to die. In the skip button ending in the ultra deluxe dlc, the narrator reads negative reviews for the original game and he is absolutely distraught. One of the reviews says that there should be a skip button implemented, so, he makes a skip button. But he discovers over time that the skip button starts skipping more each time it is pressed, starting by skipping a few seconds, then half an hour, then 3 hours, then a week, and more and more.
Eventually, with no one to hear him talk, he slowly goes insane and dies.
Damn realy intense for a game that has an emotional support bucket.
I think an example of the first way to kill a god is the tapestry. In that book there are two weapons created by a god, that is like a normal weapon but it never heals. The Tapestry is a pretty good fantasy book so reading it is worth it!
An interesting aspect of the original God of War trilogy is that the death of each god results in some sort of calamity. Poseidon's death results in massive flooding, killing Helios results in an overcast that completely blocks out the sun, etc.
what an excellent video. great work!