Not everyone is welcomed in “certain fields”…. Wether it be because of family reputations, school reputations or your personality, mental and physical capacity - even your core values. Example: My husband has a hard time working with others because of his autism. He’s “stuck” with one employer who saw this and decided to put him on the job they had the hardest time keeping people on because of the isolation. He’s tried multiple time to get a higher paying job but he’d just burn out quickly because of all the social interaction. So he happily “stuck” with this one employer because they treat him with respect for doing the hardest job in their corporation.
Worked at a company and realized the new employees I was training were making more than me. I immediately asked for a raise and they promised me one in a few months. When a few months passed I asked where my raise was and they told me that actually they can’t give me a raise that high and sudden because it’s against their policy so I gave my two weeks notice right there and got another higher paying job lined up almost immediately. This is why you should always talk about each other’s salaries and don’t be loyal to a company that doesn’t respect you.
Plus unionize if your field allowed, unions help with creating system that rewards long term employment and push for raises for the whole category they represent
There was actually one place I worked at for just a week (because I got a better offer) which makes you sign a waiver to never discuss your salary. Very sus
I am quoting what my mom said to bring others to the "Job Hopper" path. "Once you stay at the same company for 10+ years, and you never ask for a promotion (or get one), your manager starts to feel like, 'Oh, nice. This person doesn't give a singular damn about if we promote them, so if we don't promote them, they'll still be loyal!'." She quit her job because she felt undervalued for her work. If you guys feel like you are undervalued at the workplace, speak up. If they don't promote you, switch jobs. No one wants to be undervalued.
I partially agree you .... Well that depends on which position you are and your situation , there are some job which is really hard to get and you don't want to left them ... Also in some situation like families issues and debt or pandemic you don't want to lose what you have ..
if you don't ask, they assume you're happy where you are. That's why it's important to keep mentioning your aspirations and speak with your boss's boss and other depts heads about growth opportunities. If you just sit there, they think you WANNA just sit there. They can't read minds.
I’d also add that sometimes staying in a place can be worth it beyond the money if the people are just that amazing. Some of my old jobs made more money but life was miserable because people hated each other. My current workplace is smaller and is “lower value” but the people have been genuinely so kind and loving. They helped me out of really tough life situation that they had no obligation to help out in. I made many lifelong friends.
@@brandondunstan4952i think you took this quote the wrong way I know I’m paraphrasing but i think he meant it in a more general way, as to say that “You should never settle” or that “You should strive for more” hope this helps
@@AlexeiLjanej Stop taking thinks on the internet too seriously, because I have not interest in this topic. I just wanted to disagree with his/her quote.
I try to teach my kid and nephews. Be the best employee your company has, but be loyal to you and your family. Always keep an ear out for something better.
@@owoflux6025 why would it be that? Some people don't know what a family is because we don't get to have that kind of luck to have good people around you. Any other part still is just as true
One of my many regrets now that I'm older is not switching jobs sooner. People from my old job would make fun of the people who switches jobs often by calling them grasshoppers but then I had to switch jobs due to my pregnancy and gotten almost double the monthly salary I was getting. Switched job again due to the pandemic and gotten the same increase. DO NOT SETTLE. You're just a number to them anyway.
This really changed my outlook on being loyal to a company and was the switch in my head. I made the jump and I’m so happy I did to a place that pays more!
There is no guarantee that you will get hired somewhere else tho, also the interview stress is really something else.. And after a specific age you also get discriminated and ignored..
@@Apricot90 you can go to a job interview while you still have a job. You can quit your job if you get accepted. And most of the times it a job offer, not just a random job you found that pays more.
@@Apricot90 The stress of wages not keeping up or exceeding inflation is more stressful long term than short term interviews. And like the other person commented, interview while still employed then give notice once you accept an offer you like. You can always turn offers down.
@@Apricot90 interview stress and stress of learning a new job, and starting over with a new company, proving yourself all over again and again and again. At some point you do decide that stability is important enough to stay. Even job hoppers settle down and give up the raises in favor of stability.
That’s the vast majority of employment. If every electrician gets a promotion to management, who’s doing the work? If every teacher gets promoted to administration; who is teaching the kids? It’s the lack of raises/benefits that have vanished in the past 20 + years.
Definitely the case in software engineering. I actually switched every year though and received an extra 15k-25k each time. Highly recommend it if your field allows
I've worked for the company for 15 years BUT I've jumped from Department to Department getting promotions. I love what I do and have quadrupled my salary. I definitely believe it's smart to move around and make sure you take your 401Ks with you.
Its good advice because its true if you are in a field that is competitive like being a attorney you can literally switch jobs and leverage your skills for higher pay. If your current employer doesn't want to match or compete with the other employer they lose their employee. The only thing is some people are happy making less because they like where they work but if money is your sole focus then this is a good idea.
Promotions are the only real jumps in salary most places also need a higher up job on the resume to pull off this job hopping strategy. But my current company is great I took a 40% cut to join out of an extremely toxic company and accidentally got a promotion and make what I did before working 20-30 hours less a week 😂
@@voguehaven5154 Sure. But a lot of people also suffer burnouts. The problem is that most people are not really interested in work but in money and even willing to do BS work if the money is big enough. But it is way better to work what you really like and can do and with people you like to work with and of course for some decent money. Finally, money is important, but it is not everything.
Yeah... Screw all that. My mission in life is to have just enough to let me enjoy my spare time, and to do a job that doesn't involve reports, meetings, brown-nosing or back-stabbing. 😊
I have a friend who got turned down from a place because they said they didn't like his history of job hopping and knew he'd take the next best offer. So keep that in mind too.
@@AlanisonYT Depends. If you are job hopping within the same sector and your profession involves a lot of company secrets? Ye, you might get denied due higher risk of industrial espionage.
@@Helveteshit true, it’s very industry dependent, but that doesn’t mean people can’t and shouldn’t try. Especially if it means a significantly higher wage. That’s why employers would prefer they forget about it.
Can and have sir I’m only 20 and thanks to my knowledge of pay differentials between fields I can say I can go to any business and start at least entry level or I can easily find mid even some high level management positions all because of job hopping now I’ll be secure no matter where k go and I’ll stress it to everyone I meet capitalism is meant to take advantage of those who don’t understand economics and the capitalist system itself and being “loyal” to one company unless there is nepotism involved will always screw the employee
Yes you can. You just have to get creative with the way you hop. Don't get stuck in any mindset. You have to think outside the box. Where else does your experience matter? Can you start your own business? Can you sell a unique product, tutor a student, or expand your bosses business and reap commissions?
There are so many "it depends" with this. It obviously depends on the individual and what they're happy with. Depends on the actual job. Some people are fine staying at the same job for a long time because of stability and maybe they're okay with just small raises. They have a stable job and get a raise every year - there's no reason to shame that. Not everyone is out there chasing all kinds of money. Nothing wrong with chasing it either, but let's not make that the only normal. What's normal is that you're in a job you like and it pays the bills, and then some. For some people $50k or $90k is enough.
It's true, i was at one company for 4 years and all they gave me in that time was a 1% pay rise. When i left they advertised my role for 25% more than what i was on. Needless to say, loyalty doesnt pay
I don’t even get annual pay raises where I work. Not because I’m a bad employee, just because nobody does. Why would I stay loyal to a company who won’t invest 3% a year in its employees.
Unfortunately one needs to switch roles, even within the same company in order to get a noticeable raise. You need to be doing at least 10% more work than the productivity goal set by the company in order to even get the 3% annual raise remaining in the same role, which requires a freeloader on your team whose work you are absorbing. You are better off doing courses on company time which would give you the opportunity to apply for a different role.
@@le0_kun They do in their rhetoric. Only the employer can be greedy, the employee is expected to be the dumb, loyal one. They will try to gaslight you if you start using the language that they themselves use. Have you not heard the "We are family" mantra that the corporations are pushing? Well, family or not, they can fire you tomorrow without blinking an eye.
fr people that are loyal need to see their own worth becouse the company sure does but they dont respect it. my wife worked at a company and when it came to negotiate a raise the boss was postponing. this was during covid. then her firend told her to search or a other job she did and she found a job that literaly payed double. the company she worked at was only gonna give her like 200bucks more and the other job literaly payed her like 30% more and now she makes double know your worth becouse your company does and should reflect that in pay @@v1das007
As someone who doesn’t have a job since I’m in high school and I help my mum with her business. my father has stayed at the same company for 18 years got promoted a few times and is good mates with his boss and the work place has always given me and my sisters presents for Christmas and let us borrow there shack near the beach for free every 2nd year.
This worked for me. Been with a company 6 years and they barely gave raises and when they did, it was a slap in the face. Went with another company that gave a 20 percent. Been with them almost two years. I am about to move to another company. Let’s put it this way. I’ll be able to pay off my home in 10 years. Goals. You have to be a too performer and have excellent negotiation skills. It won’t work the same for everyone. FYI: I am in sales.
I’m 27 own a half million dollar house free and clear my car is paid off and I never went to school lol. My sister is 21 at college with close to 140k of debt that I know she will never be able to pay off. Her mom is still trying to pay off her loans and she’s like 55 lol.
Lol, loyalty for what? I work, you pay for that time and effort. That's the deal, neither parties are required to be "loyal" unless it breaks contract.
It really is disheartening to work hard at a company for a long period of time only for them to hire someone brand new that’s making 95% of what you’re getting paid
As someone who is comfortable with their pay, actually likes their coworkers, and the fact that they are no longer overworked with long, strange hours like they were before, I am happy to be a company loyalist. Money matters, but having a good work life balance matters way more for me. If I can pay my bills, put money into savings, and go on vacation once or twice a year comfortably while not dreading going to work, then I'm good.
Exactly, spot on. I don’t like the way she black and whites it here. If all you care about is money then fine, but I would suggest work-life balance is more important. You work to live, not vice versa.
Oh absolutely. I think the moral of it is to job hop until you're in the pay bracket you want, then job hop to find the actual work you want, then settle in. Money has diminishing returns in terms of comfortability, but there is always no more than 24 hours in a day. How you spend that time becomes relevant once comfortable financially.
@@cesarpereira1625 As he said. Less pay more free time > higher pay but more overtime. Often, if you change the payment to hours worket the less payed actually got more per hour. So who is really underpayed in this scenario?
@@grisgrame15 I got paid really well at my first job, but the hours sucked. We all called it the “golden handcuffs”. We were salaried and didn’t qualify for overtime, we would often times be working till 2am with work the next day at 8am. It was terrible. I’m now working in the same field, hourly, for less pay. However, I now have a pretty sweet work schedule (Panama) and work remotely. Yea I get paid less, but I’m comfortable with my current pay and still able to save for retirement. And I do this all in the comfort of my own home. So “job hopping” isn’t necessarily about who makes the most money. In my opinion, it’s what gives you the best work/ life balance and still allow you to live comfortably.
As a truck driver for the last 3 years I've been making 120k a year, no college degree, or debt, got my first investment home last year and got tenants paying me 1,200 a month for rent, plus I got brokage accounts and a ira account, and money in crypto I should be a millionaire by the time I'm 30 and I'm 25 rn
Woah, must feel good not to have suffered through college 😌 Though I imagine your first years weren't without struggle either until you found the tenants and opportunities. Ngl it's hard to believe, but good for you if it's real.
I’m 27 never went to school but own a half million dollar house and my car is paid off. 0 debt. My sister is 21 in school with close to 140 k worth of student loans. She will end up like her mother. Paying those loans off until retirement lol
Damn, congrats! I didn’t know truck driving paid so well but I suppose it isn’t for me anyway 🤗 You should make videos and teach about personal finance though!
@@nastyscaper What I think they mean is that the career-loyalist isn't even really getting a raise. Their pay rises are only keeping up with inflation, nothing more.
@@Martinikarlo not always true actually sometimes a job appreciates you and can simply not have the funds to provide a raise if asked so the employee looks for a new job. hope this helps :)
Everyone by now should know that job raises aren't keeping up with inflation. I always give my boss an ultimatum that either I get the raise I deserve or move on to the next company. Almost always have to switch companies every few years but it's worth it because the benefits and pay get better.
This definitely seems like it works, but in certain fields only. My dad is in IT (not sure which field tho) and he said when he was younger, he often switched jobs a lot and ended up making very little money. Now he stuck with one company and he got promoted to manager or team leader(again, he doesn’t talk about work much so idk) This is probably valuable advice for certain fields, but you should do research on what is more advantageous based on the field you’re in!
@@unicornpoo7441 You can easily get that as a junior full stack dev, this is as entry level as it get for example. Unless you're filling paperwork all day, you can get that amount of money if not more.
@@unicornpoo7441 That is less than the market price for most comp sci graduates from my little town in Southern Ontario (Canada). By the time I found my first job in Ontario, we were started at $60K.
@@urmom-vo5le that's possible, but also other companies can offer more based on your experiences, more experience the better.. and that experience is appreciated more by a new company that wants to hire you compared to the company you're already with.
Agree with this for the most part. There comes a point though where you can only job hop to a certain point. You either cap out as an individual contributor or have to go up the ladder to more responsibility which not everyone wants because of work life balance issues
@@mpklub It depends entirely on the job sector. Marketing, tech, corporate level work in retail as a buyer or brand educator or some other national or regional role, finance, telecommunications, and I'm sure a few others all have successful people job hopping every 3-5 years depending on the job and what's happening. I've known people who went from representing one major cosmetic brand as a trainer, to another, then to a regional level retail trainer, then back to individual brand and they make more than they could've dreamed if they had stayed with the first or second company. Sometimes upward movement requires such moves. Again, it's trade specific, and none of the folks I know who have been successful at it have mentioned burn out because the changes keep things interesting and challenging. Some people need that to thrive. Of course, others need stability and don't like change. 🤷♀️ Personally, I would love a change, but it's a hard thing to manage even you lose momentum from a health crisis.
@@trancd822 It doesn't mean it's ridiculous. It's just different priorities. The person with the lower pay may enjoy the stability or like their job well enough not to want to move. Likewise, the person who moves more may be more adventurous or value the challenge and increased responsibilities more. They may both be happy with their choice.
Depends on the profession and the company. Early in my career I changed jobs every 1-2 years. My last job change offered me $60k more. My previous job changes have all given me about a $10k-30k raise. Went from graduate $60k salary in 2015 to $200k in 8 years.
I believe loyalty to the company only works when the company is loyal and just to you too. If they recognise your talent and give proper hikes and promotions. It’s time to switch when you start feeling there is no more growth left for you in the company.
I was just telling my son that while money is important obviously, there are lots of factors to consider. You spend a lot of time at work so you don’t want to have the only positive be the money.
Agreed. I could work for a for-profit and make a six-figure salary, but there's no guarantee that I would like the culture. If I needed the money, then I would go for it. As of now, the money I'm making is a comfortable amount, and I don't have the stress of dreading coming into work
Sadly this is true, and it wreaks havoc on firms, with constant turnover that severely degrades the quality of products and leads to a constant flow of untrained junior engineers who leave as soon as they're trained, but boss knows best, so it will continue thus.
I found a stable job at 35 and live very, very near to my office (less than 8minutes drive and no traffic jam). But the salary isn't that really high. Have been thinking to jumping ship but I don't think I will change anytime soon. My manager has been a great mentor, helpful, knowledgeable and very flexible. Sure I want more money but if jumping ships means having the probability spending more time driving on the road, spend more on fuel and might be experiencing unfavorable working conditions, I might stay in my current company and strive to climb the ladder gradually with hardwork but smarter.
Somebody else in a comment a bit further up points out at ppl like you had better to work hard in getting certified at different stuff within your field (that's another 8 hours of studying hard in your own time). With those certifications, then you can ask being promoted to a different department within your company (if that would be possible for you and your company). New departments with new responsabilities means higher pay grades. So that's the route, study hard and get those certifications. Otherwise it's a very tough decision to make, your company sounds like a good balance btw salary & responsibilities and daily hassle. Also, if you ever consider that in the benefit of getting a higher pay grade you'd be ready to spend 3 hours/day driving back and forth and more stressful work environment, then it follows that, anyway, in order to get those higher paying grades you still neeed to get yoru extra certifications/qualifications. Hope that helped clear some ideas for you, best of lucks!
Changing jobs does not have to mean external moves. I’ve been with my company since I graduated college 8 years ago. In that time I’ve made a conscious effort to change roles every 1-2 years and been fortunate in that it has always been for growth opportunities. Next month I start my 7th position with the same company. On average, my compensation raised 20% annually. To me, this is far more optimal than bouncing around, as I’m able to make meaningful connections that can help drive future growth. I’d advise to seek career growth within your company first, and only after you’ve exhausted all options there look outside.
I did the same thing, hopped jobs for years. Just some advice for people who want to do the same thing. Make sure you are in a field where there is alot of job opportunities in your country. I'm in finance and there are jobs everywhere. If you "job hop" in something else, you might run into questsions like " what's the reason you don't stay in a job for long" and some companies don't like that.
@@thatmoviegirl3814 I always say I’m looking for a growth opportunity. Or point to something specific in the job description I’m excited about. Example: “I’m looking for an opportunity to learn xyz skill” or “I’m looking for the opportunity to move into a management role with more responsibility” or “I’m excited about xyz industry because…”
@@MicahMadrudepends on the time frames at those companies. If you didn’t give 3-4 years minimum at each, you’re a job hopper and your resume should be binned immediately.
It’s been my job for a few years now to go through resumes/job replies for car dealer ships all over usa for salesmen, engineers, mechanics ect to people who worked at Burger King to be a car dealership greeter or front desk. If someone’s been a job hopper atleast 3 times with less than 2 years each have to be declined, where as job loyalty for 4 years or more is what really gets them the job as a lot of places don’t want to risk job hoppers. this is definitely not the same for every company ofc, a lot of them don’t care. just be sure your job hopping for the right companies. Some companies will make you a more if you stay, some will make you more if you keep hopping.
Good advice and it’s true throughout the world. I kind of had advance idea of this when a person I knew who worked in another company asked for a raise , was denied , resigned and the new hire was at 40% higher. I guess better be like do your own thing if you can and be on your own boss. Hopefully you’d treat employees better than the way you were treated
@@irmaktemel7171I would assume that it is a very interesting field of engineering. I coulf also imagine that a downside would be to have less options when it comes to employers?
@@irmaktemel7171 thirding this. i'm graduating high school next year and i'm looking into aerospace engineering. is aerospace manufacturing différent? similar? how so? i'd love to hear from the op!
You're joking, but it's legit. What you can be getting paid at entry level jobs chances all the time too. My cousin started working at 16 at Wendy's for minimum wage (7 something bucks) then went to Walmart and made $9.50, then went to a moving company and made $12 an hour, then went to pest control and made $16 an hour and then went merchant seaman and makes $60k his first year. He's still merchant seaman and makes $100k a year. No schooling besides high school. I started working at Walmart for $9, I went to 7-11 for $10.50 then went to target for $15 and then went to a warehouse for $20 hr and I now make $25 an hour and again, no higher education but just job switching. I made $29k working at Target and 7-11 7 days a week ~55 hours a week to making $60k my first year at the wearhouse working 3-5 days a week 10-12 hour shifts (I averaged 48 hours a week my first year) and literally doubled my income. I made more in 2022 the 2020 and 2021 combined and I worked a lot more 20 and 21. I worked even less last year at the same wearhouse, no promotions just raises, and made $69k. Again, I work no more than 5 days a week, I'm guaranteed at least 2 days a week and 4 days off a week if I don't want overtime. 10-12 shifts and my checks are between 1,585 and $1,6something every week before tax. So yes you can move around on the entry level and still level up, it just so happens I've been at every job I mentioned for about 2-3 years each.
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@@steveh5307 Part-time, freelance, contractual works are still jobs, you get paid for a service provided or work done its a job. Regular employment are not the only type of job there is.
Many years ago, I quit a job I liked for another one offering me a 30% pay increase. It took me two days to realize why they offered so much more: the job, environment, and people were horrible. The stress was so high that in the one week I managed to stay there, my hair started prematurely graying. At the end of the week, I got my old job back, and will be retiring from there in ten more years. When I went back to my old job, my hair quickly returned to its normal color. There is WAY more to a job than just the paycheck.
This is true sometime is not worth dealing with new people that could be assholes towards the newbie. Also more stress because they have their own way of doing thing. Commute could be farther too
This is generally true - and this is because corporate budgets for hiring are significantly larger than corporate budgets for raises, to allow for more negotiation. This is why you keep noticing new hires making just as much or more than you despite working for the same company for decades. Always shops around every 2 - 3 years to see what is available. If they aren't offering more, then you don't have to take the position.
I work at a bank. I started as an entry level teller in 2020. Got to a banker position in 2021 with 30% raise. Got promoted again this year to a low supervisor position for another 30% raise. Next step is another 30% raise sooooo it depends what company you work at.
But it is considered a raise when your responsibility also increased? Wouldn't that mean you are just being paid for what you are doing now? I mean I work in customer service and my new job which also is under the same category now has more responsibility as I do handle company cash and other tools that require more responsibility on my side. I'm being paid well? Yes, compared to my last CC job. Would I consider a raise? No, I would if they paid me more than what is required for someone doing my work which is quite different from basic customer service.
@@yogurLAPIZ if you get more money it's a raise. After all we call a yearly pay increase by let's say 3.6% a raise even if the yearly inflation is 3.6%
@@gamebox8980 I would call that pay adjustment. Since it's not something related to your work or skills but more that the state or country you live in has raised the minimum pay to adjust to the price increase. I only consider a raise when they pay more for the same skills or job, like an offer from the company to you. You won't expect to be paid the same as an apprentice then when you are a manager. Otherwise people would not accept high responsibility jobs as you still would be paid the same as the people under you. For example in my company you have a raise yearly. Meaning you are still under the same job title but they do increase your pay depending on how they see your profile and contributions. This I would consider as a raise. Otherwise if the Spanish government decides to raise the minimum wage and so by doing this it will raise my pay I do not consider it as a raise because the company is abiding by law. It's my right not that they appreciate my job or work ethic. I think it is best to keep the differences because again, at the moment I'm being paid more than my prior job but I also have more responsibility and need more experience and need knowledge to use diverse tools. I would not be expected to be paid the same as before. If I start looking for new jobs I would not look into the same job title or requirements because now my profile has changed. If this person who made the comment decides to change company or bank they would be searching as a manager and even if they decided to post for a lower job title they would still be paid more than the current workers as they have experience on their belt as manager. If they apply as manager they would probably offer more as they have to settle some base for you to put their company above the others and this can only be done by money or benefits.
For me, regardless of being loyal or hopper, high or low salary, or what kind of a job it is, what's ultimately more important is if you're happy with your life ☺️
@@cleigh3796 If I actually end up happy working in your company, then I won't mind having a low salary. But if I actually feel "underpaid" and unappreciated, then I doubt I'll be happy and I would certainly quit 🤷♀️ Again, the keyword is HAPPY. Have a nice day ☺️
Exactly. A freakin' men. Wish more people were as kind, understanding and open minded as you are in this world. I certainly need WAY more of that in MY world right here!
my dad has stayed with the same company for 18 years now, and he’s been promoted to area president in our area and the closest one over. he’s being considered for a regional president job too. i don’t know how much he makes, but i know it’s WAY more than the starting salary, and it’s at least 6 figures. the second option works too!
I’ve found that this just isn’t true in my profession. Unless you’re seeking a senior management position, most jobs have a pretty similar pay range - meaning once you hit the ceiling, you must select management or you’re stuck at the high end of the range. As a consultant, I’m seeing rates from 20 years ago. It’s maddening!
America is so strange, how do you secure 15% raise EACH TIME you change jobs ?? In Europe you have a salary range for every job and it's really rare to top it
I was wondering that too. I would probably say that if you're happy to stay with the same employer, it's probably less risky to switch departments or roles within the same company so that you broaden your skillset and avoid having to learn new systems, work culture, etc. It doesn't hurt to search whether other vacancies are available and what they offer to new hires where you're currently working, and negotiate your wages/benefits to suit.
It’s easy earlier in your career for sure and will depend on your industry. If I wanted a 15% raise I’d need a promotion, so either I’d get promoted at my current job or switch companies and get a new title there. I’m being paid on the high end of my current title now (Assistant), so with a 15% raise I’d be getting paid on the mid-range of the next step up (Associate). And so on and so forth. At a certain point though it will end if you don’t move into management or become an executive
depends on the job. if you are low skill worker... it does not pay well to switch job. if you are like IT worker..that 3-5 years you skills will be increased and early much more in different position.
This is true. My dad graduated in engineering and is job hopping as an entrepreneur and tech engineer for 30 years and he earns about $200k now. His many jobs allowed him to diversify his skills to be more hireable to any job in the tech industry. Being able to quickly learn and do anything is the key trait to companies offering you a job at a higher rate.
This has been true for my career to a point. Earlier in my career I was hesitant to job hop bc I really wanted to climb the ranks in a single company. Then I realized the only people climbing were relatives of higher ups. Lots of nepotism. Now if I’m not getting promoted every 2-3 years I start looking. My current company is amazing and has given me timely promotions. If they keep this up, I’ll retire with them.
Yes she did better on the front end switching jobs often BUT she screwed herself on the back end as she never stayed in one place long enough to get a retirement from her employer. The 2nd girl will retire from her company and still be drawing a check from the while she is at another job earning more money or maybe she wont have too with her retirement check. I messed up and never stayed in one place long enough for a pension and now I am paying the price for that. People are always trying to escape "Bad Jobs" because they do not know how to handle stress. These 35 and under types were coddled by the school system and protected from the very things that taught us older types how to handle stress. We developed critical thinking as we had to come up with plans to deal with bullies and other bad behavior. We had to think on the fly as we dealt with these situations. All the younger crowd learned was how to hold up a stress card or tell a teacher about the big bad bully. When you coddle too much you end up with people who cannot deal with the harsh reality of the real world.
It's all about life balance. If you're happy with where you are stay but keep an eye out for opportunities that help you grow. Often times you can use offers that come your way to leverage a better outcome if you choose to stay.
What type of engineer? I know a software engineer who went from making $70,000 a year to $120,000 moving to another job because his boss wouldn’t give him a raise.
I'm an Engineer II. My first job out of college was 70k. After 2 years I was making 73k even with a promotion to E2. New hires were now getting 76k so I decided to look for work. I switched jobs and was offered 90k. This absolutely happens to engineers.
@@Losmerengues1902 this. I'm in Cloud Engineering and every time I change jobs it's at least a 20% raise. If I lie about the salary, it's 30+. It's the best way to make money: build a solid career for 2 to 3 years, change companies, keep going.
Is this real though? Like over time, would a company not look a bit weird at the person not being able "to hold a job". Statistically? Like realistically, you can not progress like this, obviously, it is not possible to get 15% every time, sometimes you land incredibly, and hopefully stick it out, I get it. But wont companies care about how long you have been able to hold a job?
I’ve was fortunate to apply to jobs at weird times pretty often. In my first job while in highschool I got over 20% raise in my first month (cost of living adjustment plus a general pay increase totaled to like $2. In my most recent one I ended up getting slightly over a 30% raise in my first year from moving up their pay scale due to hours worked, cost of living adjustments, and an overall bump to pay in an attempt to get more people to work there.
that’s a very nice table you have there, only that the job loyalty doesn’t always work like that plus often times you won’t find a new job with a 15% raise. This is highly theoretical and only works for some people as well as only some fields.
I experienced the same thing. It’s wild how ingrained it is… problem is “back in the day” companies offered way more on top of your salary. Now you are under the impression “thankful to be here”. I witnessed so many people leaving my company of all ages and circumstances made me change and boom the grass got greener.
Some companies are gonna take one look at your cv and notice you keep hopping jobs and ask you about. Remember to have an answer ready that explains why you keep leaving jobs consistently after a couple years
What would an example be? Because "I know my worth" isn't something I could ever imagine an employer wanting to hear. "I was caring for my sick mom" wouldn't work here either.
@@llamawalrushybrid How about I purposefully chose companies that would ask for short term employees in order to diversify my skills and enhance my technical know how? and from there cite a bunch of nonsense of what you've achieved with each job and how you were looking for a more long term prospect were you can put those skills to use.
"I think other companies were awsome, coworkers friendly, supervisior was such a nice guy, yet it wasn't for me and i decided to end my career there in healthy manor and so here i am"
Like another comment said, this only works in certain fields. Some jobs are high enough demand that you get offers even when you're still working at the job.
Whenever I was bored or unhappy with a job Id quit and go to another. I gained many diff skillsets this way. Spending time with my kids is paramount. Not work. *You are a leader!! Keep it that way Erika!❤*
I make 40 cents above minimum wage ($14.40) at a job I've been loyal to for 12 years. I have perfect attendance and I get 45 cents an hour more than the people we just hired..I also work multiple days in a row, I just worked 20 days without a day off because of the summer holiday season...I'm 60 years old so I can't just quit and get another job
It doesn't hurt to try. Send in an application. I always say, they still aren't charging for looking at your CV. I don't know what line of work you're in, but I've known some employers who prefer older, more experienced workers, even if it means they only get to work there for a few years. You can train a lot of new people in a few years.
My longest job was 13 months long and I've been unemployed since 2007 because of the deeply ageism in Spain, and because IT companies don't hire anyone over 35. I had 12 jobs in my career and was bullied in *ALL* of them.
Try grocery stores too, there are a lot of different positions there. Look for the fancier stores that offer higher wages. If you are ok standing for long periods of time, look into cake decorating- lots of stores are desperate for skilled decorators and they often pay higher than the stores min wage. I have a friend in her 30s who works as a decorator and is making $22/23hr, she has a number of autoimmunities and arthritis all over but she loves it and can do it with pleasure! Grocery stores also offer raises every year and you can look for independent bakeries from then on that pay more.
I'm sorry. Age discrimination is a real thing and they bet on the person's fear of not being able to work elsewhere. It is still worth looking around quietly to see if the job can be replaced with higher pay. Promote your experience in life and don't disclose your current pay.
I assume you work in retail based on your comment? If so, I would second the advice of someone above me. Fancier stores pay better, especially if they are big companies (like Whole Foods, luxury retail or specialty shops like perfume, jewelry or electronics). Definitely don’t quit until you have secured another job. But it never hurts to look. It can be nice to visit some of these shops and ask if they are hiring and how the employees like working there. I did this and was given the direct contact of the manager who was impressed at my level of interest and quickly offered me the job. So yeah, it’s worth a try, it’s your life after all :)
This is very true I didn't realize the stats behind it but I am 8 years into my career. I have moved on to different companies every 2-3 years and I make more than double what I did 4 years ago.
I have no problem switching jobs for a better paying job. My husband can’t stand it when I do that. He’s the loyalist type. My only locality is to my family.
the problem is that companies who "got" you already, quickly forget about your value...then you leave and they are looking for somebody to fill that same position for the pay you asked for. it's crazy.
I know this doesn’t work in every field but it definitely does in most. I worked at the same company for 17 years. I loved my job and the people and the projects (I worked in visual effects on movies, tv and commercial) worked on stuff like X-men First Class and Ready Player One. I got some bumps and promotions but finally things just weren’t going well so, I got a better offer and I left. I shit you not, within the next two years, I worked up quickly and had gotten what amounted to a 40% raise over those next two years. I wish I’d done it sooner as EVERYONE who left before me has done better financially. It was definitely hard and stressful but so worth it.
It pays to stay loyal sometimes. Some of the people I worked with who were loyal at one of the large banks are all operations managers or project managers now, where they started in roles as customer service reps. They now command a salary of over 100k a year. With their new found management experience, they can jump to other roles with salaries closer to 200k.
This works in CERTAIN fields, not all.
Yeah, I work in non profits... Our sector could never 😂
Not everyone is welcomed in “certain fields”…. Wether it be because of family reputations, school reputations or your personality, mental and physical capacity - even your core values.
Example: My husband has a hard time working with others because of his autism. He’s “stuck” with one employer who saw this and decided to put him on the job they had the hardest time keeping people on because of the isolation. He’s tried multiple time to get a higher paying job but he’d just burn out quickly because of all the social interaction. So he happily “stuck” with this one employer because they treat him with respect for doing the hardest job in their corporation.
in which fields does this work??
@@jacob-sp6zkmostly tech. It's very common in the tech industry to job hop, but it's also an industry where they take advantage of their workers.
does this work in nursing?
Worked at a company and realized the new employees I was training were making more than me. I immediately asked for a raise and they promised me one in a few months. When a few months passed I asked where my raise was and they told me that actually they can’t give me a raise that high and sudden because it’s against their policy so I gave my two weeks notice right there and got another higher paying job lined up almost immediately. This is why you should always talk about each other’s salaries and don’t be loyal to a company that doesn’t respect you.
Plus unionize if your field allowed, unions help with creating system that rewards long term employment and push for raises for the whole category they represent
There was actually one place I worked at for just a week (because I got a better offer) which makes you sign a waiver to never discuss your salary. Very sus
@@kh07gl I had a job at a nursing home right out of high school that did this too; wish I knew back then it was illegal.
@@kh07gl If they punish you for talking about salary, that is almost certainly illegal. Talk to an attorney if that happens.
@@kh07glthat might be illegal. I’d check your local regulations on stuff like that.
I am quoting what my mom said to bring others to the "Job Hopper" path.
"Once you stay at the same company for 10+ years, and you never ask for a promotion (or get one), your manager starts to feel like, 'Oh, nice. This person doesn't give a singular damn about if we promote them, so if we don't promote them, they'll still be loyal!'."
She quit her job because she felt undervalued for her work. If you guys feel like you are undervalued at the workplace, speak up. If they don't promote you, switch jobs. No one wants to be undervalued.
My mom had the same problem with her boss and she quit but she still got a huge bonus
You have a really wise mom 👍 Lucky
I partially agree you ....
Well that depends on which position you are and your situation , there are some job which is really hard to get and you don't want to left them ...
Also in some situation like families issues and debt or pandemic you don't want to lose what you have ..
if you don't ask, they assume you're happy where you are. That's why it's important to keep mentioning your aspirations and speak with your boss's boss and other depts heads about growth opportunities. If you just sit there, they think you WANNA just sit there. They can't read minds.
I made a stink and put my foot down recently and got a pay increase worthy of my being the absolute best. Guess ill stick around a while longer.
I’d also add that sometimes staying in a place can be worth it beyond the money if the people are just that amazing.
Some of my old jobs made more money but life was miserable because people hated each other. My current workplace is smaller and is “lower value” but the people have been genuinely so kind and loving. They helped me out of really tough life situation that they had no obligation to help out in. I made many lifelong friends.
This, this point is absolutely valid, something that people overlooked often though.
“Your job is to find a better job” - Scott Adams
Nope it's not
Facts
Listen to him about career advice maybe, just don't listen to his opinions on race mixing 😑
@@brandondunstan4952i think you took this quote the wrong way
I know I’m paraphrasing but i think he meant it in a more general way, as to say that “You should never settle” or that “You should strive for more”
hope this helps
@@AlexeiLjanej Stop taking thinks on the internet too seriously, because I have not interest in this topic. I just wanted to disagree with his/her quote.
I try to teach my kid and nephews. Be the best employee your company has, but be loyal to you and your family. Always keep an ear out for something better.
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Very well said! Never neglect your family, don't be that much of a workaholic and find time for yourself and the people you love
What's a family? I heard those are nice always keep your ear out for something better especially since nobody but yourself cares only for yourself
@@divergentthg7925Really hope you're just trolling.
@@owoflux6025 why would it be that? Some people don't know what a family is because we don't get to have that kind of luck to have good people around you. Any other part still is just as true
One of my many regrets now that I'm older is not switching jobs sooner. People from my old job would make fun of the people who switches jobs often by calling them grasshoppers but then I had to switch jobs due to my pregnancy and gotten almost double the monthly salary I was getting. Switched job again due to the pandemic and gotten the same increase. DO NOT SETTLE. You're just a number to them anyway.
This really changed my outlook on being loyal to a company and was the switch in my head. I made the jump and I’m so happy I did to a place that pays more!
This is literally me and everyone calls me a job hopper and I am happily hopping all the way to the bank! 😂
There is no guarantee that you will get hired somewhere else tho, also the interview stress is really something else.. And after a specific age you also get discriminated and ignored..
@@Apricot90 you can go to a job interview while you still have a job. You can quit your job if you get accepted. And most of the times it a job offer, not just a random job you found that pays more.
@@Apricot90 The stress of wages not keeping up or exceeding inflation is more stressful long term than short term interviews. And like the other person commented, interview while still employed then give notice once you accept an offer you like. You can always turn offers down.
@@Apricot90 interview stress and stress of learning a new job, and starting over with a new company, proving yourself all over again and again and again. At some point you do decide that stability is important enough to stay. Even job hoppers settle down and give up the raises in favor of stability.
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Imagine staying at a company for 17 years and never getting promoted
That happens to the career loyalists lol
That’s the vast majority of employment. If every electrician gets a promotion to management, who’s doing the work? If every teacher gets promoted to administration; who is teaching the kids? It’s the lack of raises/benefits that have vanished in the past 20 + years.
With the way companies lay people off, it's difficult making it to 17 years.
I know someone like that
Yeah and lots of job positions cap out.
Definitely the case in software engineering. I actually switched every year though and received an extra 15k-25k each time. Highly recommend it if your field allows
“You may be loyal to your company, but your company isn’t loyal to you.”
-Koncosmic.
Imagine having a friend you see once in a while to get income updates.
They have people like that...but they're not your friends. They just check to make sure you haven"t advanced ahead of them.
PEOPLE ARE VILE
Woman☕️
I tried... Could only get to the friend part
@@dylanhamilton9524LOL SAME
I've worked for the company for 15 years BUT I've jumped from Department to Department getting promotions. I love what I do and have quadrupled my salary. I definitely believe it's smart to move around and make sure you take your 401Ks with you.
What is your company?
@@athenachenxs I work for the government.
@@lashawnawilliams2056😂
Staying loyal to a company whoch is fair to you as well is not bad
@@prachikalkar2493 yessss I totally agree and I love my work life balance, the time off, and my supervisors.
Its good advice because its true if you are in a field that is competitive like being a attorney you can literally switch jobs and leverage your skills for higher pay. If your current employer doesn't want to match or compete with the other employer they lose their employee. The only thing is some people are happy making less because they like where they work but if money is your sole focus then this is a good idea.
I change jobs every year or 2. 😂 definitely figured this out without college I’m 11 years into my software development career 👩🏻💻
market is so bad rn
Been with my company for 8 years now. Been promoted 3 times in that period. I make over twice what I started at salary wise.... loyalty has its place.
Promotions are the only real jumps in salary most places also need a higher up job on the resume to pull off this job hopping strategy. But my current company is great I took a 40% cut to join out of an extremely toxic company and accidentally got a promotion and make what I did before working 20-30 hours less a week 😂
@@drewidlifestyle7883 Well congrats man!
In 8 years.. you could've been at 5x of your starting
I job hopped. I make over 6 times my initial pay. My initial pay was 53k
Only if your company values you, most don't and you would be lucky to get a cost of living wage increase every year.
Gonna try this in every local McDonald's branch and become the richest burger flipper.
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It's not always just about the money. It's also about the work and the environment.
many are willing to sacrifice a positive work environment with no growth, for a higher paying job.
@@voguehaven5154 Sure. But a lot of people also suffer burnouts. The problem is that most people are not really interested in work but in money and even willing to do BS work if the money is big enough.
But it is way better to work what you really like and can do and with people you like to work with and of course for some decent money. Finally, money is important, but it is not everything.
And stability IMO
Yeah... Screw all that. My mission in life is to have just enough to let me enjoy my spare time, and to do a job that doesn't involve reports, meetings, brown-nosing or back-stabbing. 😊
I have a friend who got turned down from a place because they said they didn't like his history of job hopping and knew he'd take the next best offer. So keep that in mind too.
Lmao that just means they weren’t able to meet his requirements. Next company!
I’ve been honest about this in the past. Of course no employer “likes” it, but I’ve found they understand.
honestly my approach to that situation would be "if you treat me like I'm worth keeping, then I won't go anywhere"
@@AlanisonYT Depends. If you are job hopping within the same sector and your profession involves a lot of company secrets? Ye, you might get denied due higher risk of industrial espionage.
@@Helveteshit true, it’s very industry dependent, but that doesn’t mean people can’t and shouldn’t try. Especially if it means a significantly higher wage. That’s why employers would prefer they forget about it.
As a job hopper. This only works up until a certain point. Unless you were VASTLY underpaid to to start. You can’t indefinitely do this.
definitely can't do it up to 195k per year
Depends on the field.
I was gonna say the same thing...this video is very silly.
Can and have sir I’m only 20 and thanks to my knowledge of pay differentials between fields I can say I can go to any business and start at least entry level or I can easily find mid even some high level management positions all because of job hopping now I’ll be secure no matter where k go and I’ll stress it to everyone I meet capitalism is meant to take advantage of those who don’t understand economics and the capitalist system itself and being “loyal” to one company unless there is nepotism involved will always screw the employee
Yes you can. You just have to get creative with the way you hop. Don't get stuck in any mindset. You have to think outside the box. Where else does your experience matter? Can you start your own business? Can you sell a unique product, tutor a student, or expand your bosses business and reap commissions?
There are so many "it depends" with this. It obviously depends on the individual and what they're happy with. Depends on the actual job. Some people are fine staying at the same job for a long time because of stability and maybe they're okay with just small raises. They have a stable job and get a raise every year - there's no reason to shame that. Not everyone is out there chasing all kinds of money. Nothing wrong with chasing it either, but let's not make that the only normal. What's normal is that you're in a job you like and it pays the bills, and then some. For some people $50k or $90k is enough.
“Don’t be rude to someone on your way up, because you might just pass them again on your way down.”
- some darr man actress
It's true, i was at one company for 4 years and all they gave me in that time was a 1% pay rise. When i left they advertised my role for 25% more than what i was on. Needless to say, loyalty doesnt pay
You just proved loyalty pays very handsomely!
... For the company
I don’t even get annual pay raises where I work. Not because I’m a bad employee, just because nobody does. Why would I stay loyal to a company who won’t invest 3% a year in its employees.
They lost you then realized how important the role is, but couldn’t find anyone willing to work your salary.
Unfortunately one needs to switch roles, even within the same company in order to get a noticeable raise. You need to be doing at least 10% more work than the productivity goal set by the company in order to even get the 3% annual raise remaining in the same role, which requires a freeloader on your team whose work you are absorbing. You are better off doing courses on company time which would give you the opportunity to apply for a different role.
Yep, but there is a line which you cant cross)
If you work for big corporations who have no loyalty to you there is no reason to have any loyalty towards them
Yeah but in this scenario the big corp was loyal. Hence they have been there 17 years and if it had a pension they are more than likely vested.
Do corps even expect you to be loyal?
@@le0_kun They do in their rhetoric. Only the employer can be greedy, the employee is expected to be the dumb, loyal one. They will try to gaslight you if you start using the language that they themselves use. Have you not heard the "We are family" mantra that the corporations are pushing? Well, family or not, they can fire you tomorrow without blinking an eye.
fr people that are loyal need to see their own worth becouse the company sure does but they dont respect it. my wife worked at a company and when it came to negotiate a raise the boss was postponing. this was during covid. then her firend told her to search or a other job she did and she found a job that literaly payed double. the company she worked at was only gonna give her like 200bucks more and the other job literaly payed her like 30% more and now she makes double know your worth becouse your company does and should reflect that in pay @@v1das007
This
As someone who doesn’t have a job since I’m in high school and I help my mum with her business. my father has stayed at the same company for 18 years got promoted a few times and is good mates with his boss and the work place has always given me and my sisters presents for Christmas and let us borrow there shack near the beach for free every 2nd year.
This worked for me. Been with a company 6 years and they barely gave raises and when they did, it was a slap in the face. Went with another company that gave a 20 percent. Been with them almost two years. I am about to move to another company. Let’s put it this way. I’ll be able to pay off my home in 10 years. Goals. You have to be a too performer and have excellent negotiation skills. It won’t work the same for everyone. FYI: I am in sales.
Surgeon: I switch hospitals every 3 years and im still in debt
You’d be surprised…
Congrats! I’ve been in debt for 20 years now. Every 3 years I go 3% more in debt!
I’m 27 own a half million dollar house free and clear my car is paid off and I never went to school lol. My sister is 21 at college with close to 140k of debt that I know she will never be able to pay off. Her mom is still trying to pay off her loans and she’s like 55 lol.
@@billyshears2032 Who asked?
I did @@somethingelse9228
It's sad that job loyalty doesn't mean what it used to.
It’s sad that companies never take care of you and underpay you
Lol, loyalty for what? I work, you pay for that time and effort. That's the deal, neither parties are required to be "loyal" unless it breaks contract.
Most companies will fire employees and hire someone cheaper if they can.
Hopefully create more entrepreneurs with people switching jobs more often
True!
It really is disheartening to work hard at a company for a long period of time only for them to hire someone brand new that’s making 95% of what you’re getting paid
All of your videos are 🔥. Leaving a trail of gems for everyone to pick up
I love how she puts it as if that would work with every job even though it definitely doesn't
You'd be surprised with how many jobs that works for.
Ofcourse it doesnt work for every single job. But it does with manyyyyyy
Or every person. Not everyone has an easy time getting hired.
@@EskChan19so based on her math she’ll be making 500k after a few more years and job hops 😂
In teaching it's the opposite 😂
As someone who is comfortable with their pay, actually likes their coworkers, and the fact that they are no longer overworked with long, strange hours like they were before, I am happy to be a company loyalist. Money matters, but having a good work life balance matters way more for me. If I can pay my bills, put money into savings, and go on vacation once or twice a year comfortably while not dreading going to work, then I'm good.
Exactly, spot on. I don’t like the way she black and whites it here. If all you care about is money then fine, but I would suggest work-life balance is more important. You work to live, not vice versa.
Well if you like being paid less than others, go on
Oh absolutely. I think the moral of it is to job hop until you're in the pay bracket you want, then job hop to find the actual work you want, then settle in. Money has diminishing returns in terms of comfortability, but there is always no more than 24 hours in a day. How you spend that time becomes relevant once comfortable financially.
@@cesarpereira1625 As he said. Less pay more free time > higher pay but more overtime. Often, if you change the payment to hours worket the less payed actually got more per hour. So who is really underpayed in this scenario?
@@grisgrame15 I got paid really well at my first job, but the hours sucked. We all called it the “golden handcuffs”. We were salaried and didn’t qualify for overtime, we would often times be working till 2am with work the next day at 8am. It was terrible.
I’m now working in the same field, hourly, for less pay. However, I now have a pretty sweet work schedule (Panama) and work remotely.
Yea I get paid less, but I’m comfortable with my current pay and still able to save for retirement. And I do this all in the comfort of my own home.
So “job hopping” isn’t necessarily about who makes the most money. In my opinion, it’s what gives you the best work/ life balance and still allow you to live comfortably.
i love how all these financial solution problem skits are so nice entertaining at the same time
As a truck driver for the last 3 years I've been making 120k a year, no college degree, or debt, got my first investment home last year and got tenants paying me 1,200 a month for rent, plus I got brokage accounts and a ira account, and money in crypto I should be a millionaire by the time I'm 30 and I'm 25 rn
good for you 😁
Woah, must feel good not to have suffered through college 😌
Though I imagine your first years weren't without struggle either until you found the tenants and opportunities.
Ngl it's hard to believe, but good for you if it's real.
I’m 27 never went to school but own a half million dollar house and my car is paid off. 0 debt. My sister is 21 in school with close to 140 k worth of student loans. She will end up like her mother. Paying those loans off until retirement lol
Damn, congrats! I didn’t know truck driving paid so well but I suppose it isn’t for me anyway 🤗 You should make videos and teach about personal finance though!
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@@nastyscaper What I think they mean is that the career-loyalist isn't even really getting a raise. Their pay rises are only keeping up with inflation, nothing more.
@@griffinmiddleweek5198 Precisely. Although, it seems like only the lucky ones have wages that are keeping up with inflation.
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Yep… very true. New hires make more than loyal employees
If they were worth something they would still have their old job
@@Martinikarlo not always true actually sometimes a job appreciates you and can simply not have the funds to provide a raise if asked so the employee looks for a new job. hope this helps :)
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Everyone by now should know that job raises aren't keeping up with inflation. I always give my boss an ultimatum that either I get the raise I deserve or move on to the next company. Almost always have to switch companies every few years but it's worth it because the benefits and pay get better.
This definitely seems like it works, but in certain fields only. My dad is in IT (not sure which field tho) and he said when he was younger, he often switched jobs a lot and ended up making very little money. Now he stuck with one company and he got promoted to manager or team leader(again, he doesn’t talk about work much so idk)
This is probably valuable advice for certain fields, but you should do research on what is more advantageous based on the field you’re in!
Literally who in real life gives you a 3% raise every year, and a 15% raise when you switch a job.
are those numbers too small or too large?
@@zjschrage too large, also a starting salary of 50k is not realistic either. No junior is pulling 50k unless theyre doing something very specialized.
@@unicornpoo7441 You can easily get that as a junior full stack dev, this is as entry level as it get for example. Unless you're filling paperwork all day, you can get that amount of money if not more.
@@unicornpoo7441 That is less than the market price for most comp sci graduates from my little town in Southern Ontario (Canada). By the time I found my first job in Ontario, we were started at $60K.
@@wolvesfang271 That's like 40k in USD, that's not out of the question but 50K usd is almost 70k CAD
This is very true. Stayed at job 3 yrs, got $3k-$5k in raises for every year... as soon as I switched... $10k-30K raise. :)
What field?
how does that work? I don't really understand why you get a 10-30k raise, is it only because the other job pays more?
@@urmom-vo5le that's possible, but also other companies can offer more based on your experiences, more experience the better.. and that experience is appreciated more by a new company that wants to hire you compared to the company you're already with.
@@le4864 Digital Design
That's so true! Companies hold their loyal employees underwater while they keep raising the starting wages. Been there, done that!
Love your take on this!
Agree with this for the most part. There comes a point though where you can only job hop to a certain point. You either cap out as an individual contributor or have to go up the ladder to more responsibility which not everyone wants because of work life balance issues
Exactly! Ridiculous video ...
@@biochemica2that has nothing to do with what I said, so I'm not sure what point you are making.
Well said!
@@mpklub It depends entirely on the job sector. Marketing, tech, corporate level work in retail as a buyer or brand educator or some other national or regional role, finance, telecommunications, and I'm sure a few others all have successful people job hopping every 3-5 years depending on the job and what's happening. I've known people who went from representing one major cosmetic brand as a trainer, to another, then to a regional level retail trainer, then back to individual brand and they make more than they could've dreamed if they had stayed with the first or second company. Sometimes upward movement requires such moves. Again, it's trade specific, and none of the folks I know who have been successful at it have mentioned burn out because the changes keep things interesting and challenging. Some people need that to thrive. Of course, others need stability and don't like change. 🤷♀️
Personally, I would love a change, but it's a hard thing to manage even you lose momentum from a health crisis.
@@trancd822 It doesn't mean it's ridiculous. It's just different priorities. The person with the lower pay may enjoy the stability or like their job well enough not to want to move. Likewise, the person who moves more may be more adventurous or value the challenge and increased responsibilities more. They may both be happy with their choice.
A 3% increase every year for three years would actually put that person at about $54,600
After three years she's ends up being on her second raise, not her third.
Actually at 82.5k
@@unnervingly1504 are you sure you're not thinking 30%? Please show your math.
@@unnervingly1504 85k actually
Who left the bag of idiots open? $50k × 1.03^20 = $90k.
Depends on the profession and the company. Early in my career I changed jobs every 1-2 years. My last job change offered me $60k more. My previous job changes have all given me about a $10k-30k raise. Went from graduate $60k salary in 2015 to $200k in 8 years.
I believe loyalty to the company only works when the company is loyal and just to you too. If they recognise your talent and give proper hikes and promotions. It’s time to switch when you start feeling there is no more growth left for you in the company.
I was just telling my son that while money is important obviously, there are lots of factors to consider. You spend a lot of time at work so you don’t want to have the only positive be the money.
Agreed. I could work for a for-profit and make a six-figure salary, but there's no guarantee that I would like the culture. If I needed the money, then I would go for it. As of now, the money I'm making is a comfortable amount, and I don't have the stress of dreading coming into work
Job hunting is a job in itself. If youre happy where you are or want to priorities friends and family or travel or hobbies its fine.
I hate when they talk about rate and it's like okay but what about pto, insurance, etc.? that stuff matters.
The Murican mentality seems to be 'screw the work culture, every comapny sux!!!!!'
Exactly. Loyalty is never paid. Find the work where you are paid for your worth.
Good luck finding a boss who accept your looooooooooong list of jobs you had and left.
well she got a raise every year that's a lot
Smarter with your money* no retirement plan no kids and has depression*
Sadly this is true, and it wreaks havoc on firms, with constant turnover that severely degrades the quality of products and leads to a constant flow of untrained junior engineers who leave as soon as they're trained, but boss knows best, so it will continue thus.
And then move on in 3 years
I found a stable job at 35 and live very, very near to my office (less than 8minutes drive and no traffic jam). But the salary isn't that really high. Have been thinking to jumping ship but I don't think I will change anytime soon. My manager has been a great mentor, helpful, knowledgeable and very flexible. Sure I want more money but if jumping ships means having the probability spending more time driving on the road, spend more on fuel and might be experiencing unfavorable working conditions, I might stay in my current company and strive to climb the ladder gradually with hardwork but smarter.
Somebody else in a comment a bit further up points out at ppl like you had better to work hard in getting certified at different stuff within your field (that's another 8 hours of studying hard in your own time). With those certifications, then you can ask being promoted to a different department within your company (if that would be possible for you and your company). New departments with new responsabilities means higher pay grades. So that's the route, study hard and get those certifications. Otherwise it's a very tough decision to make, your company sounds like a good balance btw salary & responsibilities and daily hassle. Also, if you ever consider that in the benefit of getting a higher pay grade you'd be ready to spend 3 hours/day driving back and forth and more stressful work environment, then it follows that, anyway, in order to get those higher paying grades you still neeed to get yoru extra certifications/qualifications.
Hope that helped clear some ideas for you, best of lucks!
Changing jobs does not have to mean external moves. I’ve been with my company since I graduated college 8 years ago. In that time I’ve made a conscious effort to change roles every 1-2 years and been fortunate in that it has always been for growth opportunities. Next month I start my 7th position with the same company. On average, my compensation raised 20% annually. To me, this is far more optimal than bouncing around, as I’m able to make meaningful connections that can help drive future growth. I’d advise to seek career growth within your company first, and only after you’ve exhausted all options there look outside.
I did the same thing, hopped jobs for years.
Just some advice for people who want to do the same thing. Make sure you are in a field where there is alot of job opportunities in your country. I'm in finance and there are jobs everywhere. If you "job hop" in something else, you might run into questsions like " what's the reason you don't stay in a job for long" and some companies don't like that.
Even in an industry where job hopping is common, what do you usually tell new employers who ask why you left your old position?
Wondering the same as the person above me, im 17 and im stocking up on as much info as i can get to secure a steady income for myself
@@thatmoviegirl3814 I always say I’m looking for a growth opportunity. Or point to something specific in the job description I’m excited about. Example: “I’m looking for an opportunity to learn xyz skill” or “I’m looking for the opportunity to move into a management role with more responsibility” or “I’m excited about xyz industry because…”
@@thatmoviegirl3814”my previous company had strict sexual assault policies, it wasn’t for me”
a lot*
You don't have to switch companies, you can also switch positions or get promotions. Same 15% raise and looks better on your resume.
Multiple companies on a resume showing growth look better on a resume.
You must be a boomer to think switching jobs is looked do upon now.
depends on the company. at AT&T, IBM, GE, something like that, maybe, but not at an SMB.
@@MicahMadrudepends on the time frames at those companies. If you didn’t give 3-4 years minimum at each, you’re a job hopper and your resume should be binned immediately.
Promotions are always better. If you're gonna leave a job, let it be to take a promotion.
It’s been my job for a few years now to go through resumes/job replies for car dealer ships all over usa for salesmen, engineers, mechanics ect to people who worked at Burger King to be a car dealership greeter or front desk. If someone’s been a job hopper atleast 3 times with less than 2 years each have to be declined, where as job loyalty for 4 years or more is what really gets them the job as a lot of places don’t want to risk job hoppers.
this is definitely not the same for every company ofc, a lot of them don’t care. just be sure your job hopping for the right companies.
Some companies will make you a more if you stay, some will make you more if you keep hopping.
Ps. Job hopping or loyalty won’t fully make up your job acceptance, it’s the resume. Always be sure to make the best written resume possible.
Good advice and it’s true throughout the world. I kind of had advance idea of this when a person I knew who worked in another company asked for a raise , was denied , resigned and the new hire was at 40% higher. I guess better be like do your own thing if you can and be on your own boss. Hopefully you’d treat employees better than the way you were treated
I’m not a job hopper, but I know a good opportunity when I see one.
You don’t have to hop jobs. You can use offer letters to demand a raise, or you take the job if not
@@jacobbell1934that’s true, but sometimes you want a fresh start, a new opportunity, new projects, etc.
True, I’m in aerospace manufacturing and job switching has always increased salary.
Can I ask you what you do in aerospace manufacturing? Is it an interesting job?
@@bradyntaylor8113seconding this because I am curious as well!
@@irmaktemel7171same
@@irmaktemel7171I would assume that it is a very interesting field of engineering. I coulf also imagine that a downside would be to have less options when it comes to employers?
@@irmaktemel7171 thirding this. i'm graduating high school next year and i'm looking into aerospace engineering. is aerospace manufacturing différent? similar? how so? i'd love to hear from the op!
*As Borat would say:*
Imagine if men did this in relationships and hopped onto women that treat them better with "sexy time"..
😂😂😂
Love the uniforms. I do the same
After a 6 hours shift, Tom switches from McDonald’s to KFC and got a 15% pay bump
You're joking, but it's legit. What you can be getting paid at entry level jobs chances all the time too.
My cousin started working at 16 at Wendy's for minimum wage (7 something bucks) then went to Walmart and made $9.50, then went to a moving company and made $12 an hour, then went to pest control and made $16 an hour and then went merchant seaman and makes $60k his first year. He's still merchant seaman and makes $100k a year. No schooling besides high school.
I started working at Walmart for $9, I went to 7-11 for $10.50 then went to target for $15 and then went to a warehouse for $20 hr and I now make $25 an hour and again, no higher education but just job switching. I made $29k working at Target and 7-11 7 days a week ~55 hours a week to making $60k my first year at the wearhouse working 3-5 days a week 10-12 hour shifts (I averaged 48 hours a week my first year) and literally doubled my income. I made more in 2022 the 2020 and 2021 combined and I worked a lot more 20 and 21.
I worked even less last year at the same wearhouse, no promotions just raises, and made $69k. Again, I work no more than 5 days a week, I'm guaranteed at least 2 days a week and 4 days off a week if I don't want overtime. 10-12 shifts and my checks are between 1,585 and $1,6something every week before tax. So yes you can move around on the entry level and still level up, it just so happens I've been at every job I mentioned for about 2-3 years each.
we're talking about real jobs here. not temporary gigs.
I was literally thinking to comment a similar funny comment, I look up into the sky to think, look back down to my phone and there you are with your comment 😂 well played Sir, well played 👏🏽🏆
@@steveh5307 Part-time, freelance, contractual works are still jobs, you get paid for a service provided or work done its a job. Regular employment are not the only type of job there is.
15% is better than nada lol
Many years ago, I quit a job I liked for another one offering me a 30% pay increase. It took me two days to realize why they offered so much more: the job, environment, and people were horrible. The stress was so high that in the one week I managed to stay there, my hair started prematurely graying.
At the end of the week, I got my old job back, and will be retiring from there in ten more years. When I went back to my old job, my hair quickly returned to its normal color.
There is WAY more to a job than just the paycheck.
This is true sometime is not worth dealing with new people that could be assholes towards the newbie. Also more stress because they have their own way of doing thing. Commute could be farther too
Lol. No hair does not turn back to normal color. 😂😂 seriously. It does not
True but on contrary, sometimes people get a new job and also ends up in better work environment. I personally experienced it.
im glad for you and your hair
@@carlosmelendez394 google it, I can regain its original color if the graying was caused by stress.
This is generally true - and this is because corporate budgets for hiring are significantly larger than corporate budgets for raises, to allow for more negotiation. This is why you keep noticing new hires making just as much or more than you despite working for the same company for decades. Always shops around every 2 - 3 years to see what is available. If they aren't offering more, then you don't have to take the position.
There is a lot of truth to this. Loyalty is not rewarded as much as people think.
I work at a bank. I started as an entry level teller in 2020. Got to a banker position in 2021 with 30% raise. Got promoted again this year to a low supervisor position for another 30% raise. Next step is another 30% raise sooooo it depends what company you work at.
Thats great which bank do you work at?
so you went from 30k to 40k to 53k, is your goal to be a branch manager or a banking director ?
But it is considered a raise when your responsibility also increased? Wouldn't that mean you are just being paid for what you are doing now? I mean I work in customer service and my new job which also is under the same category now has more responsibility as I do handle company cash and other tools that require more responsibility on my side. I'm being paid well? Yes, compared to my last CC job. Would I consider a raise? No, I would if they paid me more than what is required for someone doing my work which is quite different from basic customer service.
@@yogurLAPIZ if you get more money it's a raise.
After all we call a yearly pay increase by let's say 3.6% a raise even if the yearly inflation is 3.6%
@@gamebox8980 I would call that pay adjustment. Since it's not something related to your work or skills but more that the state or country you live in has raised the minimum pay to adjust to the price increase. I only consider a raise when they pay more for the same skills or job, like an offer from the company to you. You won't expect to be paid the same as an apprentice then when you are a manager. Otherwise people would not accept high responsibility jobs as you still would be paid the same as the people under you.
For example in my company you have a raise yearly. Meaning you are still under the same job title but they do increase your pay depending on how they see your profile and contributions. This I would consider as a raise. Otherwise if the Spanish government decides to raise the minimum wage and so by doing this it will raise my pay I do not consider it as a raise because the company is abiding by law. It's my right not that they appreciate my job or work ethic.
I think it is best to keep the differences because again, at the moment I'm being paid more than my prior job but I also have more responsibility and need more experience and need knowledge to use diverse tools. I would not be expected to be paid the same as before. If I start looking for new jobs I would not look into the same job title or requirements because now my profile has changed.
If this person who made the comment decides to change company or bank they would be searching as a manager and even if they decided to post for a lower job title they would still be paid more than the current workers as they have experience on their belt as manager. If they apply as manager they would probably offer more as they have to settle some base for you to put their company above the others and this can only be done by money or benefits.
For me, regardless of being loyal or hopper, high or low salary, or what kind of a job it is, what's ultimately more important is if you're happy with your life ☺️
Wow, if I were a person who owned a company and wanted to underpay my employees, I'd sure like to hire people with your mentality!
@@cleigh3796 If I actually end up happy working in your company, then I won't mind having a low salary. But if I actually feel "underpaid" and unappreciated, then I doubt I'll be happy and I would certainly quit 🤷♀️ Again, the keyword is HAPPY. Have a nice day ☺️
Exactly. A freakin' men. Wish more people were as kind, understanding and open minded as you are in this world. I certainly need WAY more of that in MY world right here!
@@Vandicoupdamn, I guess we actually found a guy who underpay his employees 😂💀
I am 100% of time been happier with my life with a high salary doing the work I like to do lol
This is so motivating!
my dad has stayed with the same company for 18 years now, and he’s been promoted to area president in our area and the closest one over. he’s being considered for a regional president job too. i don’t know how much he makes, but i know it’s WAY more than the starting salary, and it’s at least 6 figures. the second option works too!
I’ve found that this just isn’t true in my profession. Unless you’re seeking a senior management position, most jobs have a pretty similar pay range - meaning once you hit the ceiling, you must select management or you’re stuck at the high end of the range. As a consultant, I’m seeing rates from 20 years ago. It’s maddening!
This is what I am thinking. This really only works at the beginning of your career.
@@mormrilagreed, but it’s better to be making more money earlier than later
America is so strange, how do you secure 15% raise EACH TIME you change jobs ?? In Europe you have a salary range for every job and it's really rare to top it
You don't. This lady's product is "advice" and the video is the sales pitch.
I was wondering that too. I would probably say that if you're happy to stay with the same employer, it's probably less risky to switch departments or roles within the same company so that you broaden your skillset and avoid having to learn new systems, work culture, etc. It doesn't hurt to search whether other vacancies are available and what they offer to new hires where you're currently working, and negotiate your wages/benefits to suit.
Negotiate your pay
It’s easy earlier in your career for sure and will depend on your industry. If I wanted a 15% raise I’d need a promotion, so either I’d get promoted at my current job or switch companies and get a new title there. I’m being paid on the high end of my current title now (Assistant), so with a 15% raise I’d be getting paid on the mid-range of the next step up (Associate). And so on and so forth. At a certain point though it will end if you don’t move into management or become an executive
Confirmed. Plus if you time your exit well, you can get even more % change every time with little effort
I've been doing this for 13 years in software. It may not work everywhere but it works great here. Usually pay jumps are closer to 20-30%
If this were true. My dad would be a millionaire
Ask him why he didn't
depends on the job. if you are low skill worker... it does not pay well to switch job. if you are like IT worker..that 3-5 years you skills will be increased and early much more in different position.
Your dad had to pay for you
Depends on how u choose it uk
This is true. My dad graduated in engineering and is job hopping as an entrepreneur and tech engineer for 30 years and he earns about $200k now. His many jobs allowed him to diversify his skills to be more hireable to any job in the tech industry. Being able to quickly learn and do anything is the key trait to companies offering you a job at a higher rate.
If you stay at your job for 17 years and you are Happy and live a great life it is also great
Until it’s not great anymore and too late to do anything about it 😊
Yeah as long as you ignore that your company makes even more money off your back because you are to "happy" to demand it from them.
This has been true for my career to a point. Earlier in my career I was hesitant to job hop bc I really wanted to climb the ranks in a single company. Then I realized the only people climbing were relatives of higher ups. Lots of nepotism. Now if I’m not getting promoted every 2-3 years I start looking. My current company is amazing and has given me timely promotions. If they keep this up, I’ll retire with them.
Yes she did better on the front end switching jobs often BUT she screwed herself on the back end as she never stayed in one place long enough to get a retirement from her employer. The 2nd girl will retire from her company and still be drawing a check from the while she is at another job earning more money or maybe she wont have too with her retirement check. I messed up and never stayed in one place long enough for a pension and now I am paying the price for that. People are always trying to escape "Bad Jobs" because they do not know how to handle stress. These 35 and under types were coddled by the school system and protected from the very things that taught us older types how to handle stress. We developed critical thinking as we had to come up with plans to deal with bullies and other bad behavior. We had to think on the fly as we dealt with these situations. All the younger crowd learned was how to hold up a stress card or tell a teacher about the big bad bully. When you coddle too much you end up with people who cannot deal with the harsh reality of the real world.
Safe to say one of these jobs isn't acting
LMAO SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT 😂
but what if all the others are?
It's all about life balance. If you're happy with where you are stay but keep an eye out for opportunities that help you grow. Often times you can use offers that come your way to leverage a better outcome if you choose to stay.
Yup, "so and so is offering me X, what can you offer me?"
After the “WhaAtT?” At the end I died of cringe on the spot
That “ what’’ was personal.
Me, an engineer: what sorcery is this
What type of engineer? I know a software engineer who went from making $70,000 a year to $120,000 moving to another job because his boss wouldn’t give him a raise.
This video applies perfectly to engineers.
I'm an Engineer II. My first job out of college was 70k. After 2 years I was making 73k even with a promotion to E2. New hires were now getting 76k so I decided to look for work. I switched jobs and was offered 90k. This absolutely happens to engineers.
@@Losmerengues1902 this. I'm in Cloud Engineering and every time I change jobs it's at least a 20% raise. If I lie about the salary, it's 30+. It's the best way to make money: build a solid career for 2 to 3 years, change companies, keep going.
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Is this real though? Like over time, would a company not look a bit weird at the person not being able "to hold a job". Statistically? Like realistically, you can not progress like this, obviously, it is not possible to get 15% every time, sometimes you land incredibly, and hopefully stick it out, I get it. But wont companies care about how long you have been able to hold a job?
Teach me more
If I could only have heard this back in 1999. 🥺🥺
She is a waste of time, not realistic and she is just pushing a pyramid scheme. 🤣
Andrew Tate is better
I’ve was fortunate to apply to jobs at weird times pretty often. In my first job while in highschool I got over 20% raise in my first month (cost of living adjustment plus a general pay increase totaled to like $2. In my most recent one I ended up getting slightly over a 30% raise in my first year from moving up their pay scale due to hours worked, cost of living adjustments, and an overall bump to pay in an attempt to get more people to work there.
That’s gonna help when I work for the NHS!
that’s a very nice table you have there, only that the job loyalty doesn’t always work like that plus often times you won’t find a new job with a 15% raise. This is highly theoretical and only works for some people as well as only some fields.
I experienced the same thing. It’s wild how ingrained it is… problem is “back in the day” companies offered way more on top of your salary. Now you are under the impression “thankful to be here”. I witnessed so many people leaving my company of all ages and circumstances made me change and boom the grass got greener.
yeah, companies tend to be way more exploitative now. job hopping is the best way to get paid your worth
Erika be education-shaming people into subscribing. GENIUS LOL
It's cute when content creators cosplay at what they imagine day jobs must be like.
Some companies are gonna take one look at your cv and notice you keep hopping jobs and ask you about. Remember to have an answer ready that explains why you keep leaving jobs consistently after a couple years
"I was looking for competitive salary and all my previous employers can't provide it"
What would an example be? Because "I know my worth" isn't something I could ever imagine an employer wanting to hear. "I was caring for my sick mom" wouldn't work here either.
@@llamawalrushybrid How about I purposefully chose companies that would ask for short term employees in order to diversify my skills and enhance my technical know how? and from there cite a bunch of nonsense of what you've achieved with each job and how you were looking for a more long term prospect were you can put those skills to use.
"I think other companies were awsome, coworkers friendly, supervisior was such a nice guy, yet it wasn't for me and i decided to end my career there in healthy manor and so here i am"
Like another comment said, this only works in certain fields. Some jobs are high enough demand that you get offers even when you're still working at the job.
Whenever I was bored or unhappy with a job Id quit and go to another. I gained many diff skillsets this way.
Spending time with my kids is paramount. Not work.
*You are a leader!! Keep it that way Erika!❤*
Ok but, as an average person i can say that swutching jobs, is risky because you are not sure to find one immediately
Find the new job before quitting the old one
“Hey old friends!”
- trickery
I'm a job hopper, it works 😂
I make 40 cents above minimum wage ($14.40) at a job I've been loyal to for 12 years. I have perfect attendance and I get 45 cents an hour more than the people we just hired..I also work multiple days in a row, I just worked 20 days without a day off because of the summer holiday season...I'm 60 years old so I can't just quit and get another job
It doesn't hurt to try. Send in an application. I always say, they still aren't charging for looking at your CV. I don't know what line of work you're in, but I've known some employers who prefer older, more experienced workers, even if it means they only get to work there for a few years. You can train a lot of new people in a few years.
My longest job was 13 months long and I've been unemployed since 2007 because of the deeply ageism in Spain, and because IT companies don't hire anyone over 35. I had 12 jobs in my career and was bullied in *ALL* of them.
Try grocery stores too, there are a lot of different positions there. Look for the fancier stores that offer higher wages. If you are ok standing for long periods of time, look into cake decorating- lots of stores are desperate for skilled decorators and they often pay higher than the stores min wage. I have a friend in her 30s who works as a decorator and is making $22/23hr, she has a number of autoimmunities and arthritis all over but she loves it and can do it with pleasure! Grocery stores also offer raises every year and you can look for independent bakeries from then on that pay more.
I'm sorry. Age discrimination is a real thing and they bet on the person's fear of not being able to work elsewhere. It is still worth looking around quietly to see if the job can be replaced with higher pay. Promote your experience in life and don't disclose your current pay.
I assume you work in retail based on your comment? If so, I would second the advice of someone above me. Fancier stores pay better, especially if they are big companies (like Whole Foods, luxury retail or specialty shops like perfume, jewelry or electronics). Definitely don’t quit until you have secured another job. But it never hurts to look. It can be nice to visit some of these shops and ask if they are hiring and how the employees like working there. I did this and was given the direct contact of the manager who was impressed at my level of interest and quickly offered me the job. So yeah, it’s worth a try, it’s your life after all :)
I was waaaaay ahead of my time. That you for putting those demons to rest.
This is very true I didn't realize the stats behind it but I am 8 years into my career. I have moved on to different companies every 2-3 years and I make more than double what I did 4 years ago.
I have no problem switching jobs for a better paying job. My husband can’t stand it when I do that. He’s the loyalist type. My only locality is to my family.
the problem is that companies who "got" you already, quickly forget about your value...then you leave and they are looking for somebody to fill that same position for the pay you asked for. it's crazy.
I know this doesn’t work in every field but it definitely does in most. I worked at the same company for 17 years. I loved my job and the people and the projects (I worked in visual effects on movies, tv and commercial) worked on stuff like X-men First Class and Ready Player One. I got some bumps and promotions but finally things just weren’t going well so, I got a better offer and I left. I shit you not, within the next two years, I worked up quickly and had gotten what amounted to a 40% raise over those next two years. I wish I’d done it sooner as EVERYONE who left before me has done better financially. It was definitely hard and stressful but so worth it.
It pays to stay loyal sometimes. Some of the people I worked with who were loyal at one of the large banks are all operations managers or project managers now, where they started in roles as customer service reps. They now command a salary of over 100k a year. With their new found management experience, they can jump to other roles with salaries closer to 200k.