In this video, we tune a Cummins N-14 for mileage and extra power. Finding peak efficiency often means increasing HP so the engine doesn't have to work as hard pulling the same load.
This was my truck cat built the motor so they painted it cat yellow. The truck was getting 3.8 mpg when I took it them it clearly had a problem with it and instead of finding the problem they just tuned it come to find out it had a bad ecm on it so the outcome was it blew the turbo and fired the ecm they didn’t fix anything but Cummins did new ecm new turbo and the truck was running great and getting 5 mpg they will never get my business anymore. Chris Kelley MAK transport
If the ecm was bad at the time of the dyno, it would have shown. Quit looking for someone to blame. You willingly took your truck to them because you felt it had a problem. And I bet on the first hill you pulled leaving Saxonburg, you had a big smile on your face, and thought your truck was awesome.
@@jcsully, bullshit. My ecm had an issue with the plug pins shorting out and at the time I got it tuned, the data link detected nothing. I didn't have Pittsburgh Power do the tune, but it shows if the problem isn't there when on the computer, how can anyone find it. Kind of like telling your mechanic... "it goes chirp, ping, ping, bang when I shift" and the mechanic can't get it to replicate the problem. Who is to blame, obviously no one is. But don't come on here like some rest area gloryhole hero and call the guy a liar, it's a good way to get free dental care.
@@Baruch994 Didn't you see the license plate?? Idaho. Out west we've got MOUNTAINS. 5mpg is pretty darned good. I'm up in Washington, running a Pittsburgh box on a 2025 cpl, and have Dyno numbers similar to this. Biggest problem is keeping the water cool. Fuel is CHEAP give me more power.
Lol i wanna put yellow Cummins in my truck to trip everyone out😂. Then get a truck with a CAT n paint it red. Love that sound of that n-14 tho. Beautiful pete
What did the customer think of the tune and what did he gain that the real question . You need to put a review on here after the customer uses it for a couple months I want to know that !!! That will sell me faster then anything I worked on N14 for 16 years now I am a owner operator and building an N14 for my own truck now.
25 yrs out here and I guarantee I have more miles in reverse than you have going forward Good Buddy, and the n14 isn't badass. Valve coking issues, fuel pump problems, electrical issues, splayed main caps... junk.
Not going to be able to tell much on the dyno, not without spending a few hours on it anyway, which I'm assuming the owner wasn't eager to spend the money on.
As always, great material, you seem to get great numbers. I have a question (I've never ran a Dyno) why no BSFC( Brake Specific Fuel Consumption) numbers???
Are the piston crowns in that Cummins, steel top or aluminum top? One of the two piston materials doesn't tolerate heat as well as the other. You can assume its a potential issue as horsepower rises. Especially on long pulls.
Probably fooled with the fuel pump and computer. Basically raising redline and increasing fuel pressure and raising fuel cutoff rpm....among other things.....
Detroits can be tuned and built above 700hp, it's not difficult. There's guys in Pennsylvania who have working trucks that sled pull and they are over 800.
I would like to see it actually hold a given horsepower for a few seconds instead of using the rpm rise and drivetrain momentum spike and immediately dropping it.
Cummins factory calibration from the CPL 2592 525HP 1590 lb-ft engine is standard, moreover, the engine could not even develop these characteristics, most likely a test bench error or engine wear.
I can pretend that grill is not there but the yellow the yellow!!! Take pride on your Cummins wanna make look awesome, desert camel like the army color and bang looks like a KTA 600😪
Its crappy milage is because it thinks its a cat,i never had a cat that got as good of milage as a cummins they always got atleast 2 mpgs less,it might not be the truck it may be the driver
I just got my manifold and new Turbo from this people my Turbo was no biosting properly I was only getting 5.2 miles to the gallon now I get 5.8 this week I will take it easy maybe I guess 6.2 justtruking is my channel
I was gonna say wtf paints a cummins cat yellow???? until I saw other guys beat me to it..You can wish and hope all you want but painting it cat yellow isnt gonna make it run like a cat. If you wanna step in the left lane an break someones heart, yank that heap an set a 6nz in there with a new tune. All the power you'll ever need without having to beat it just to hang with traffic...I will say though for all you confused die hard cummins lovers out there, that cummins certainly has come a long way. My 16 pride and class does a pretty good job but its still pretty easy to tell its not a cat.
What about it?? It's still a Cummins. It builds decent power after you slam your fingers in the door an get mad at it all right before the pistons start to disintegrate. Huh. Car builds the same power, and more with only a little tweek. Even a bridge with a few changes an not have to beat the living fuck out of the rest of the truck.
Jeremy Wilson you know as well as I do, a kta will pullouts and destroy any 6nz scatterpillar. Guys in trucks shops like me will tell you. The caterpillar is a great engine, but it is also very overrated. Talked to cove truck sales last week and the said they fixed more cats than Cummins and Detroit together last year. I’m not bashing the c15, I’m just letting you know that you it does have serious competition. The original debate was about power, and my point stays. The kta would wrench the insides out of a 6nz without blinking
why does it have to be a 6NZ? why not an MXS or a 1LW ? people are hung up on the 6NZ and that's not more than a glorified 1LW or 2WS, a well tuned MBN is just as good as a 6NZ , same as any other Cat, I much rather have an acert and build it with lower compression and a tune and keeping the twins, than do the same with a 6NZ.
My built and tuned 12.7 makes yellow fuck boys cry across i80 all year long. Scatterpillar is a good engine but most of the good buddy's talking them up are reminiscing of their first ride at Werner in a castrated 475hp 3406E, lmfao. All you yellow babies talk big shit... I have 800hp... on a tune, gtfo. 😂
Bullshit, you're talking out your ass. My coronado glider 5 yr average is 7.2 mpg, pulling flatbed. Our 2000 classic consistently got 7+mpg with a 12.7 Detroit.
7.2 flatbed, how about dry van or refer that is taller than the cab, there's your at most 5mpg. Aero cabs looks generic but there is a reason for it. But for flatbed it's usually ok. I do appreciate the classic look and it adds a personal touch for each driver. It gets old seeing the same stuff on the road. Long nose and coe something unique.
@@OlegFL2010 meh.. qsk k9 CPL. One hx82 turbo. Cheap. ! I found the regular Signature had wayyyy too much power when roads were wet, and the box was empty.
Somebody was drinking hard when they painted their Cummins Cat Yellow. No wonder the mileage left, it forgot what engine it was😂
I saw that it was yellow and got really confused, happy I'm not the only one surprised by that hahaha.
Lost 2 mpg when they put that color on
@Rejected-From-Eve .Zero How so? My experience was they were very comparable in cost.
@Moniko Harris you said having a real engine are u inbred u don’t need to answer that I know the answer last time I checked cummins makes engines
A Cummins engine in yellowface!
N14 and Series 60 are the best on road diesels ever made.
C15's can handle 2000+ horsepower, n14 blocks split at 850 🤔
Never seen a cat yellow red top cummins before.
Maynard Reed I think that’s tan cummins uses...
I was thinking the same thing.
@@justinmartin8887 that's not cummins tan.
Yeah someone wanted a cat, that's far from a cummins beige
marc mo ok. Call me color blind I can’t tell 😂
Anyone that has been around those old N14 Cummins will tell you that 490 HP is pretty dang respectable.
Truth
👍 Agreed
Almost 500 hp on an mpg tune she’s a beast
You mean almost 600
This was my truck cat built the motor so they painted it cat yellow. The truck was getting 3.8 mpg when I took it them it clearly had a problem with it and instead of finding the problem they just tuned it come to find out it had a bad ecm on it so the outcome was it blew the turbo and fired the ecm they didn’t fix anything but Cummins did new ecm new turbo and the truck was running great and getting 5 mpg they will never get my business anymore. Chris Kelley MAK transport
If the ecm was bad at the time of the dyno, it would have shown. Quit looking for someone to blame. You willingly took your truck to them because you felt it had a problem. And I bet on the first hill you pulled leaving Saxonburg, you had a big smile on your face, and thought your truck was awesome.
@@Baruch994 lolololol
@@jcsully, bullshit. My ecm had an issue with the plug pins shorting out and at the time I got it tuned, the data link detected nothing. I didn't have Pittsburgh Power do the tune, but it shows if the problem isn't there when on the computer, how can anyone find it. Kind of like telling your mechanic... "it goes chirp, ping, ping, bang when I shift" and the mechanic can't get it to replicate the problem. Who is to blame, obviously no one is. But don't come on here like some rest area gloryhole hero and call the guy a liar, it's a good way to get free dental care.
@@Baruch994, you're smoking crack, 😂
@@Baruch994 Didn't you see the license plate?? Idaho. Out west we've got MOUNTAINS. 5mpg is pretty darned good. I'm up in Washington, running a Pittsburgh box on a 2025 cpl, and have Dyno numbers similar to this. Biggest problem is keeping the water cool. Fuel is CHEAP give me more power.
N14: So I'm pretending to be a CAT, I hope nobody will notice.
_Injectors start failing_
N14: *MY COVER IS BLOWN*
You are correct sir
Yes
N14 poop no power even 12 7 is better
Damn! That torque rise on the last tune
HE IS GONNA LOVE THE POWER.
Those are some dam good numbers they got out of it id be pretty dam happy with it 590 hp 1790 to the ground
Lol i wanna put yellow Cummins in my truck to trip everyone out😂. Then get a truck with a CAT n paint it red. Love that sound of that n-14 tho. Beautiful pete
Really enjoying this channel. I don’t hear much about diesel tubing and dynos.
Other then they say a 6nz cat is a n14 cummins lol
@@Bigstrapper it's an n14
British Cummins were Yellow...and looked , and sounded Superb !!!
First time seeing anything like this, but as far as i know, ecu tuning high horsepower lowers mpg generally
This video is surprisingly satisfying... thanks
Have to get some of my trucks up there for some tunes!!!!! Once I figure out this fuel problem on the m11
He painted the best Cummins engine ever Cat yellow. The disrespect 😲
Yes very disrespectful to the cat paint 😀
Looks more like baby poop yellow than cat yellow. Imo
CAT is King 👍👍👍
It’s a Cummapiller.
Tucker Bates N1406E
Tucker Bates looool😭
What did the customer think of the tune and what did he gain that the real question . You need to put a review on here after the customer uses it for a couple months I want to know that !!! That will sell me faster then anything I worked on N14 for 16 years now I am a owner operator and building an N14 for my own truck now.
Running one of Terry Chron's ECM's
Love the n14cummins
Good truck
Professional... good job guys.
All these internet gear jammers...😭😁... That n14 cummims is a truly badazz and well built unit.
There Dynamite motors just hard to find parts for em when shit goes south.
@@Tyler-xe1es They are fine until the ole main cap fretting issue bites you in the ass when you turn it up.
25 yrs out here and I guarantee I have more miles in reverse than you have going forward Good Buddy, and the n14 isn't badass. Valve coking issues, fuel pump problems, electrical issues, splayed main caps... junk.
What do you think of the Detroit Series 60?
@@TheRoadhammer379 and yet you’re here watching videos about n14 dumbass
There's mpg readout in the cab. One on your computer and probably another right on your dyno. Why Not show mpg , If that is the title of the video?
Not going to be able to tell much on the dyno, not without spending a few hours on it anyway, which I'm assuming the owner wasn't eager to spend the money on.
I wonder what kind of power you guys can get out of my 06 acert 475...she def could use more ufff
What was the end result Mpg improvement
As always, great material, you seem to get great numbers. I have a question (I've never ran a Dyno) why no BSFC( Brake Specific Fuel Consumption) numbers???
TA ..............the true efficient number to use for H P and M P G
Good job guys
Needs more of build biology and tested pulling a heavy load across 80
What gear is the dyno performed in?
Can you tune on a 97 M11 450 Celect Plus?
Are the piston crowns in that Cummins, steel top or aluminum top?
One of the two piston materials doesn't tolerate heat as well as the other. You can assume its a potential issue as horsepower rises. Especially on long pulls.
Steel pistons with aluminium skirts in all n14, big cams had aluminium in some
MPG TUNE??? What MPG was he getting before? What is he getting now?
I bet that john deere in the corner has a hot tune in it lol
wish my car could pick up that much hp & torque from a fuel economy tune.
How much does an mpg dynotune cost these days??
How do learn how to tune diesels and also what gears are you guys doing these pulls in
hello, what changes have you made to the engine to get this 590 horsepower result? noticed that the fuel pump was changed, the turbo remained standard
Probably fooled with the fuel pump and computer. Basically raising redline and increasing fuel pressure and raising fuel cutoff rpm....among other things.....
My old FLD 120 had an extreme loud turbo chirp/ scream N-14 1807cpl. But it was 8.2 empty 7.2 loaded.
Those are fantastic numbers.
@@willmann30 it never had the low NOX. cal. ran the overhead myself . thanks
I have a cat c15 in a 2005 peterbilt 387. How much you guys charge to dyno tune it?
I wish I had this job thsts awesome!
N14s go all fuckin’ day. Cant say a bad thing about them
Engine builder just like nah bro we only carry Catshit yeller
So u guys added 100whp without adding more boost??? Baseline pull was on 30lbs, final numbers 31lbs?!?!? Thru a stock turbo/manifold
Yeah something was up with their boost gauge. No way it only made 32 psi and jumped up that much on torque.
What can u get for a hp tune can it make 700 or more to the wheels
If a 1000 degrees or less is ideal after the turbo (the cold side) what should a pyro reading be if before the turbo, or, in the exhaust manifold?
1200 max before turbo. Past that you take your chances ,yoi might find out how big your wallet is!!
Now put the little deere on the dyno to show off some real torque!!!! :)
Unless it makes more hp than this, the tq number is worth less than toilet paper
Is that done with all stock parts & thru the tune or did you guys swap the manifold & turbo?
you tune a 12.7 Detroit and got 607 hp and u tune a n14 yellow cummins and got 534 hp ?
Detroits can be tuned and built above 700hp, it's not difficult. There's guys in Pennsylvania who have working trucks that sled pull and they are over 800.
I have to ask do you ever get Mack power ?
555 with a factory file?
So what is the MPG
Why in anybody's right mind would paint a Cummins yellow is beyond me
Look at the comment bellow yours
What does something like this cost for a 1999 Detroit
Where is the location ?
Where are this guys located?
That’s the only thing I like about computers you don’t have to take the motor apart to tune it
Why yellow?! BUT WHY?! 🤦🏻♂️
How much cost it ?
Question is can I swap a Detroit 60 12.7 out of a Freightliner Classic for a Cummins N14???? Does anyone have suggestions, thoughts?
Yes
I swap my c15 acert out of my freigthliner columbia for a 14.0 detroit
do y'all dyno tune 2014 isx cummins 500hp 1850tq? how much?
That's the numbers I want for my 12.7. that's good enough to not stress the rods, block and keep my egt down.
How much did that service cost?
I cant believe an HT60 makes 30 psi with that low of egt. Looks like it has an HT3B turbine housing.
I too was surprised, but ... apparently it's still well within it's compressor efficiency curve. I'd be interested to see how she's doing at 35.
I have a HT55 making 38psi..
I'm gonna assume this engine was either built on a early Monday morning or late on Friday evening before getting off work to be painted Cat yellow
What program do you guys use to do the tuning on the n14? You can't do anything like that with Cummins insite can you?
Unless it’s a different program, cummins calterm is what most use to modify calibrations
Is still on the stock turbo
What year was this truck??
That poor motor is all confused being CAT Yella!!! That's just wrong on so many levels!!! Paint it black and red and it will run better!!!!!!
Apperently you have never played with a c -15 cat lol
Jason Tate which Cat C-15 there was 3 versions of it. The 6nz C dash 15 which was a re named 3406b, the C15, C15 Acert.
Firebird 87622 3406b was all mechanical. Early c15s are basically a 3406e
So what where mpg?
Why is it yellow like
A caterpillar motor?
Low fuel mileage might have something to do with a front end that looks like a drive in movie screen.
And your not a real trucker if your hood is slanted like a hill
Cool
Thats a werid looking n14 cummins.
I would like to see it actually hold a given horsepower for a few seconds instead of using the rpm rise and drivetrain momentum spike and immediately dropping it.
It holds! Gotta watch the pyro on the long ones. 🧨 🏔️
Cummins factory calibration from the CPL 2592 525HP 1590 lb-ft engine is standard, moreover, the engine could not even develop these characteristics, most likely a test bench error or engine wear.
Try the 2025 or 2591 better pullers
I can pretend that grill is not there but the yellow the yellow!!! Take pride on your Cummins wanna make look awesome, desert camel like the army color and bang looks like a KTA 600😪
Everybody wants a CAT 🐈
Undercover cummins 😂
What is the boost and the hp of the truck. I think its 540hp or 720hp unless that is a scana.
That's not a f****** Cummins that's a f****** cat
Swewweet
Its crappy milage is because it thinks its a cat,i never had a cat that got as good of milage as a cummins they always got atleast 2 mpgs less,it might not be the truck it may be the driver
Caterpillar envy at its finest...
I know, yellow Cummins :) hey , guy owns it and he can paint it any color he likes!
Concerned about MPG but drives a brick through the air because it looks cool. OK.
😆😆😆😆😅
Keep being jealous, you would never get any pussy in Volvo
You Tube I guess I’m buying a Pete
Why not a 579?
Not so mean looking, but it's the best looking truck, streamlined and doesn't look weird like the VNL!
@@user-kl5gm8nm6r nobody wants that truck stop pussy you been getting anyways ahah
The qsk15L9 is 750hp with 2250tq k19 is jealous!
Lean is mean
There's no wind resistance on a Dyno so of course fuel economy will go up.
I just got my manifold and new Turbo from this people my Turbo was no biosting properly I was only getting 5.2 miles to the gallon now I get 5.8 this week I will take it easy maybe I guess 6.2 justtruking is my channel
What kind truck u got ?
Why the hell would you disrespect a Red Head like that SMH
them big pipes you lose exhaust scavenging
Wrong. Big diesels don't have scavenging effects like gas engines.
I was gonna say wtf paints a cummins cat yellow???? until I saw other guys beat me to it..You can wish and hope all you want but painting it cat yellow isnt gonna make it run like a cat. If you wanna step in the left lane an break someones heart, yank that heap an set a 6nz in there with a new tune. All the power you'll ever need without having to beat it just to hang with traffic...I will say though for all you confused die hard cummins lovers out there, that cummins certainly has come a long way. My 16 pride and class does a pretty good job but its still pretty easy to tell its not a cat.
Jeremy Wilson huh. Must’ve never heard of a kta
What about it?? It's still a Cummins. It builds decent power after you slam your fingers in the door an get mad at it all right before the pistons start to disintegrate. Huh. Car builds the same power, and more with only a little tweek. Even a bridge with a few changes an not have to beat the living fuck out of the rest of the truck.
Jeremy Wilson you know as well as I do, a kta will pullouts and destroy any 6nz scatterpillar. Guys in trucks shops like me will tell you. The caterpillar is a great engine, but it is also very overrated. Talked to cove truck sales last week and the said they fixed more cats than Cummins and Detroit together last year.
I’m not bashing the c15, I’m just letting you know that you it does have serious competition.
The original debate was about power, and my point stays. The kta would wrench the insides out of a 6nz without blinking
why does it have to be a 6NZ? why not an MXS or a 1LW ? people are hung up on the 6NZ and that's not more than a glorified 1LW or 2WS, a well tuned MBN is just as good as a 6NZ , same as any other Cat, I much rather have an acert and build it with lower compression and a tune and keeping the twins, than do the same with a 6NZ.
My built and tuned 12.7 makes yellow fuck boys cry across i80 all year long. Scatterpillar is a good engine but most of the good buddy's talking them up are reminiscing of their first ride at Werner in a castrated 475hp 3406E, lmfao. All you yellow babies talk big shit... I have 800hp... on a tune, gtfo. 😂
Classic trucks looks beautiful but zero aerodynamic the best they can do 4,5 MPG
Bullshit, you're talking out your ass. My coronado glider 5 yr average is 7.2 mpg, pulling flatbed. Our 2000 classic consistently got 7+mpg with a 12.7 Detroit.
7.2 flatbed, how about dry van or refer that is taller than the cab, there's your at most 5mpg. Aero cabs looks generic but there is a reason for it. But for flatbed it's usually ok. I do appreciate the classic look and it adds a personal touch for each driver. It gets old seeing the same stuff on the road. Long nose and coe something unique.
Who gives a shit what color it is if it’ll pull & get decent MPG... Paint it paisley for all I care.
WTH? He’s perpetrating
well ill tell ya rite now why it isnt getting any fuel milage is because the fucker is painted cat yellow
525hp is supposed to be 1850tq
Those numbers are to the wheels/ground so ad 25% drivetrain loss & you will get the engine power to the crankshaft like factory rating them.
@@OlegFL2010 do you know how to get 2250 out of a signature 600?
PDI performance stage 3 compound(twin turbo) but it’s not cheap.
@@OlegFL2010 meh.. qsk k9 CPL. One hx82 turbo. Cheap. ! I found the regular Signature had wayyyy too much power when roads were wet, and the box was empty.
I think they went the wrong way, maybe cut it back to a 300 horse would give it better fuel mileage?
No wonder it has low power its the wrong color
Please don drink that cheap wisky