On Hartlepool in 1963
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Unemployed but still smart dressed and kept their streets clean. O how we've fallen from grace.
It's the consequences of diversity
It’s no longer “we” and that’s the problem
They wouldn't have owned clothes that weren't smart They didn't have the throw away wardrobe of clothes we have now.
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@@Stuffandstuff974 It's the consequences of several million people and their areas being left to rot for decades after the neoliberal threw them overboard in the early 80s. Think about it: you close down industry, fire up the casino economy, blew billions from the North Sea oil money on social security and policing for these areas and then you use your media to say it's their fault! Ok some people became degenerate - but that's always going to happy to people if you leave them to fall long enough
The whole rancour about "benefits" could be removed overnight if we brought back full employment
Amazed at how well dressed they were just to go for a pint at the local. They seemed to have a lot more self-respect than now.
It was Sunday Best attitudes whenever you went outside and met people. You made sure you were well scrubbed and groomed, your clothes were repaired even if they were in tatters. Terry Pratchett had a phrase for this working class sensibility; "too proud to whitewash. Too poor to paint".
My dad always wore his best when he went out for a pint. It probably contrasted with his job where he spent most of it covered in oil and crap. Then he came home and spent more hours in blue overalls underneath the car swearing profusely. It was a different era that no longer exists.
This is the second documentary you've shown from 1963 that looked better than 2023.
I'm envious of my grandparents lives once they got back from WW2. Not rich but not dirt poor unlike their own parents. My boomer parents never valued that stuff - never tended the garden etc.
Why weren't your parents taught that? The WW2 Generation was a bunch of dunces.
Nonsense, you have “nostalgia for a time that never existed”. Ignore the old film reels, they will soon be digitised and new films will be produced to reflect the contributions the Windrush generation made(they invented Britain and the NHS). Zephaniahs incredible poetry will be narrated over this , to remind us all how awesome being British is!
@@cannibalholocaust3015 The Protocols of Zion
@@cannibalholocaust3015 "No one has ever been happy. Life has always sucked. This is the best it has ever been. Don't you dare ask for it to get better."
That's your boomer parents not everyone else's
We are taught to despise our past in Ireland. And it has been going on forever.
The prevailing view and accepted narrative now is how did we survive such a boring and stultifying and backward existence.
I was born in 1972. I remember family trips to the beach, and endless games of football on the road and trips to Dublin on the train and it is all pretty marvellous in my memory
Literally zero drawbacks to having a monocultural society. Higher trust. Everyone speaks the same language. Less resources spent on forcing people to "integrate." Lower crime. Better schools. Better art and music. I could go on and on...
yeah but the native population of men (and a lesser extent women) are mixing this out of existence. It's the relationships, silly.
They look happy and carefree . It’s great to see. I want those days again.
They are gone forever. Maybe we can rebuild a different high trust society.
They didn't know what was coming. Some a still alive today. Wonder what they would say?
@@matthewcobley125 I hope so Matthew. I’m not giving up that’s for sure! . Happy Christmas.
@@oswulf3142 have you ever seen any of the recent interviews of WW2 vets choking up about how "this isn't what we fought for"?
Sobering stuff.
@@IHavAnAkimbonr not recently. I've had enough family members who served share their despair as the state of the country.
"They didn't know what they had...."
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Amazing diversity in those old BBC films as well. Diversity is truly a strength...
Young and old, men and women, Bankers, Butchers and Candlestick Makers, Factor Workers and Office Clerks, Nuns and Clergy, Doctors and Bar Tenders.
Ooo, i forgot Builders, Bakers (and Candlestick Makers).
the bipocs were too busy building the country to waste time at the pub
@@maverickstclare3756 Which country?
You wait until the remake comes out as a revisionist triumph of diversity.
My dad spent his whole life as a "musical entertainer" playing piano and singing and aside from teaching a few students he didn't work another job for the last 60 years of his life. Seeing him perform as a kid and watching the audience, I knew that what he was doing was no less important than what the banker, lawyer, business manager etc. did, but society, in general, increasingly failed to recognize the value of this form of entertainment... although he actually had a lot of local fans even when he was 80. Sadly, few of us have and will probably never experience anything like that pub. That old bar scene with singalongs requires the kind of traditional and broadly known songs that we have disposed of since the 60s. "Traditional" songs, all those songs by "anonymous", etc. that were passed down from generation to generation gave continuity to a culture. You knew your great great grandfather had probably been at a similar pub singing similar, if not the same, songs even if you never met him. Songs related to various old professions that reminded blue collar workers of their ancestors. In addition, it wasn't so loud that conversations were impossible and the combination of the music, the ale, and kind of conversations people tend to have in that atmosphere helped people form stronger bonds with their friends and neighbors. They aren't all staring at their phones scrolling endlessly to ear piercingly loud bass and most of them aren't slamming shots and getting sloppy drunk (though I'm sure there's a guy in that crowd who will end up passed out on the sidewalk...).
Unifying centres are important. The Hartlepool video depicts a strong sense of communal support, of being poor yet belonging. Of sharing what little you had, knowing that others would share with you if they were able. Emotional buoyancy via the community. Unfortunately, much of the social cohesion has been fractured in the UK. Find the unifying centres and you find a way to unite people. There is much power in numbers. And there are many forms of wealth.
By design.
The 'New Model Society' sees such cohesion as nothing more than castles of resistance against their diabolical plan.
And they seek to deconstruct any and all resistance.
The layman blames the fracturing on technology. I think that's far too convenient. Can't have block parties if nobody on your block speaks the same language. Helicopter parenting is somewhat to blame for how this has affected the younger generation, but I believe that's a direct result of letting god-knows-who into communities.
Like my granny always told me, class has nothing to do with money. Standards, decorum, behavior - nothing to do with money. You might have been poor, you might have been unemployed, but you had respect from others because you acted in a way that proved to the community you deserved respect.
Yes but all those norms were undermined by the increasing individualism and liberalism - this is the tension within the New Left AND the New Right. Once the underlying norms had atrophied an under class appeared after Thatcher shut down the industry in entire areas of the country and left them to rot for... well til now. People have short memories, it was the John Major government who started the trick of shifting people onto Incapacity Benefit to massage the unemployment numbers in the early 90s. Those issues were never resolved and Labour then opened the floodgates
I would also argue drugs were deliberately allowed to proliferate
Reminds of when I was watching Brazil and I had to wait for more than half the movie for the Dystopia to arrive and even then…
Lol😂....looks quite nice in comparison to contemporary London.
Ashes of Civilization revival?
As you said in the stream, homogeneous, rooted in society, high-trust and thus resilience to hard times. Primarily because diversity was not yet their demise.
The demise actually started with deindustrialisation and the "free market" - diversity has only been imposed across the country in the last 25 years, prior to that it was very localised to certain areas
We need to transcend this Left-Right BS on economics and find a model which works for the whole nation
it began centuries before and made the bank of 'england', privately run
it just got worse after this due to contraception use
I just got a free over 75 TV Licence after years of not wanting to pay a single penny to the BBC. Didn't know about From The Archives on the iPlayer. Some really interesting stuff there.
My mother would have been 18 in '63; my father, 24. This is very much the world they grew up in....
They had solidarity. I know that makes me sound like a commie, but they did.
Correct, they had local communities. People often wrongly assume the polar opposite of 'communism' is the kind of atomised, rootless hyper-individualism we see today. This may be a libertarian dream, but it is impotent and not the antidote to state socialism. Some alternatives to central government programs (funded by taxpayers at gunpoint) are voluntary co-operatives, charities and more decentralised decision-making at the local level. We have seen these eroded as we head towards a more centralised corporatist and technocratic system of government.
Or nationalism ..
Commie? No, a nationalist
Nothing wrong with that - patriotism is the only possible socialism since it resolves class differences through national solidarity. There will never be equality but we do have it within our gift to make a system which works for the whole ship
@@Roxnolds Libertarianism was always a money elite ideology anyway, the ultimate divide rule. A tiny organised minority ruling over atomised individuals, it's not as if the architects of that world view didn't know what they were doing. Central government programs are perfectly legitimate as long as they aren't abused i.e by deliberately leaving millions unemployed and filling the country with migrants (both free market policies). Voluntarism when it comes to money always results in some being left to rot. The people in this video had voluntary social institutions AND a basic National Insurance based social security system - the value of which was higher than JSA today. And we know it is entirely feasible because the Germans and Dutch(Christian Democracy) and the Scandanavians, French and Belgiums (Social Democracy) have made it work. The free market obsessives of the Anglosphere are as deadly to our people as the Left
We were poor, but we were happy
Well dressed people.
Pride was a thing back then. You didn't have all the consumer goods, what you had you looked after.
My gran - despite living through the Great Depression - always told me it was one of her fondest periods because they didn't have much but forged the strongest friendships. That's something I don't think the zoomers could boast of unless things change, um, well dramatically
Another useful vid Mr AA.
Just occurred to me that an excellent cultural metaphor for the manufactured dissent of the establishment right/containment is the Left Twix vs Right Twix commercials from the 2010s.
There is an “in-fiction” debate that exists purely to get you invested and buy more Twix.
should see Hartlepool today :(
How do we bring these kinds of things back?
It's completely organic. You can't invent that sort of thing. That's why they can't make multicultural societies work!
Financial/Social protection.
I know that isn't going to be popular around these parts, but that's the reality.
Have to remove technology that keeps people isolated. Say goodbye to your televisions, smart phones and computers.
We can't
@@Canadish we have that
This is the sort of stuff Alternative Hypothesis had gone over to death 10 years ago.
What a marvelous people they were.
All wages now go on rent, mortgage and to service debt. No social support anymore.
Quite pleasant
You should look at the documentarys on how they destroyed a community called Byker in Newcastle. Tore the whole thing down and promised not to split the community up but didnit anyway. It was a slum like but the community was destroyed.
Theres a scene where they are all in a pub singing together. And womennare swapping cigarettes for chips to feed the bairns but still had an actual community
I've watched some of these, the London Post war docs are heartbreaking, where they destroy old communities
Take me back
Hopefully things got better for them later. Harold Wilson with ' white heat of technology' C of E had influence back then.
Imagine having people who looked like who talked like you and enjoyed similar pastimes around you.
Once the nuclear bomb was invented our elites culled the working classes once and for all.
Look what they took from us...
I remember the good ol days when you could go to Hartlepool and buy some exploding trousers.
At least you could afford a drink and a cigarette in those days
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They call McDonald's workers minions now?
No.
AA was being tongue in cheek
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Unrelated but I really hate those hairstyles on women, bad trend!
The problem is smoking.people used to smoke together. Smoking Brought people together. It was the basis of community. Make tobacco cheap again and we will renter that social golden age. This explains why the system has done everything in its power to demonise smoking.