I really appreciate this podcast. I am a Christian but I can say I’ve felt “off” in my walk. After many many years God helped me realize that I was walking and relying on my own strength in my pursuit towards Him. John 15 which speaks of abiding in Christ and He’s True Vine helped me realize I can do nothing spiritual for Him ON MY OWN. When we try to work with our own effort and strength leaves us tired and broken down. You never feel like you can do enough! When the guest spoke about all the money, vision quests, sweat lodges she went through to ascend , it made me realize that this is the New Age’s version of works based salvation. Always looking to DO MORE which in the end never satisfies. I’m so thankful that Jesus Christ lets us KNOW Him and approach Him!! If we seek Him, He WILL be found by us. No need to look further, He’s our answer ❤ God Bless
This was a great podcast! Truly amazing how God leads people out of this stuff, completely transforming them to His Glory alone! People being saved from the slavery and death of sin by what God has done is the most amazing story ever told!
It’s very encouraging to hear. I left the prosperity gospel and it that in itself was a cult. I can relate. Gives me hope for my friends who are still stuck in that false gospel.
1 Corinthians 15 KJV 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Ephesians 1 KJV 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Romans 3 KJV 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
@@MrSdejoy ♥️ Galatians 1 KJV 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
@@MrSdejoy Paul is the author of Galatians and Corinthians. is Paul your apostle? Or do you deny Paul gospel that you will be judged by? Romans 2 KJV 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Many years ago before I went into the occult and new age I went to yoga and I didn’t realize it at the time, but I had spiritual discernment to NEVER do it again. I felt extremely sick and uncomfortable and was adamant to never do it again even though I didn’t know why. Flash forward 25 years I get completely deceived and end up involved in psychedelics, new age, witchcraft, reiki etc Praise Jesus for pulling me out and saving me 🥹🤍🙏🏼🙌🏼
This was a beautiful testimony. Thank you for sharing. I have been following Christ for 10 years but only in April of 22 did I get baptized. Since my baptism I have felt so convicted to renounce new age practices that still had a hold on my life. While watching this video I felt a compulsion to go through my jewelry box and get rid of things I once treasured and gave honor to- idols. I got rid of many crystals, half burnt sage, locks of my hair and anything that I felt convicted to get rid of. Thank you for your encouragement.
I saw you mentioned burnt sage. I remember seeing a clip of Rachel Hollis saying she does that now. Sounds like a total Christian mommy blogger thing to do, right??
@@hannahmcmillan5712 we need to pray for Rachel Hollis. And have u ever heard of Alisa Childers? You should check her out on youtube. I have one of Alisa's books called Another Gospel. It's a very good book. I'm glad she speaks out against progressive Christianity.
Resonate with her testimony of new age practices, I did a lot of these things without even searching for it. Didn't put labels to it, did Reiki, meditation, and manifestation without even putting a label to it. Really just proves how demonically influenced these things are. Would like to see a cultish on heartful meditation
I asked an Indian pastor who came to Christ from Hinduism - Do Christians in India do yoga? He was slightly alarmed and said, "Oh, no ma'am! Only Hindus. It is religious practice."
Woah!! That ThetaHealing she's talking a about is slightly reminiscent of Bethel's Sozo. Essentially, you are getting permission to enter people's traumas and "pulling things" out to replace them, like she said. Sozo calls the traumas "the lie we are believing". Mind blown!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I went into yoga teacher training too. The so called teacher was one of the most toxic and manipulative person that I met. She didnt care about health at all, she only cared about Instagram aesthetics and she admitted that she injured her own knees doing all these photo friendly poses. Thanks to her toxic personality I woke up early and left and saved my knees.
I've looked up Yoga poses online, I've never been to a class. When I looked them up online, it just had the poses, nothing else. I easily did it at the gym without any instructor or outside spiritual influence. I don't do them in order, I just do them mixed in with other things, I didn't even know there were different types of Yoga.
I would be so grateful for this as well. It was the last thing I held onto but I eventually cast it at the foot of the cross. I still don’t fully understand why or how it was so effective.
@@poolahpot may I ask why/what doesn’t seem right about it? Myself and my family and some very close friends (all of us Christians) found it and use it and we truly believe the Lord led us to homeopathy. We also learned the basics of it from a Christian. We’ve found incredible healing and actual answers/resolve to health issues that we weren’t getting from western medicine. Not saying that we are right, we could be wrong (although we’ve prayed constantly about it), I would just like to hear your perspective ❤️
@@oliviabosma4465 I would like to know as well. I use homeopathy as a Christian and ir works. Haven't felt convicted about it....but open to learn and be guided by the Holy Spirit
Hey, have y’all ever done any shows on ‘Noahide’? It is a form of Judaism based on the seven laws of Noah. I have a nephew that is pretty messed up in this stuff, and would like to hear what you think about it. From what I know, it’s pretty abominable.
Could Cultish address qigong? I have a close family member that has been practicing it for years and I’m having trouble finding a resource that calls it out specifically.
Iyengar founder and teacher of western yoga teachers says there is no separating of the spiritual effects from the assana/yoga postures, just assuming the posture regulate the breath with out conscious effort or will, this is what opens one to the gods or demonic deities associated with each posture.
I'm reposting my comment because I'm hoping it was a computer glitch and not that Cultish can't tolerate a dissenting point go view. If you wan't to refute my arguments please do it in the comments instead of deleting my comment. The hypocrisy of Cultish is sad. I purposely watched the martial arts show and the yoga show back to back. The lack of biblical reasoning and logic is shocking and irresponsible. The martial arts show plays like an informercial guide on how to find a good class and thankfully teaches how to avoid the energy work that can leave you open to demonic spirits. Then the yoga show comes across as under no circumstances is there to be anything gained from the physical exercise of yoga. Both martial arts and yoga are built on eastern thought and energy work. They are practically "sisters" so to speak, so how can you be in favor of martial arts and against yoga? It makes no sense. Durbin did a good job of explaining that the physical exercise can be separated from the spirit/energy work. Durbin argues there is much to gain for our military and law enforcement in the protection martial arts provides. I'd make that same argument for yoga in that it has much to offer the elderly, those suffering with chronic injuries, and limited mobility. I understand your guest is a new believer and is very much afraid of what she just escaped. But it is very similar to the drunkard finding Christ and yet is still fearful to take a sip unbelieving that they have truly been set free. (Your example in your video on AA, not mine.) She also explains that the whole point of the workout is to get you to a euphoric state at the end as if that is a bad thing. Now I need to be afraid of 'runners high'? I need to avoid the endorphins that are a natural consequence of most exercise? God made our brains to work a certain way and it's pretty simple science that can be found in a high school biology book or health class. Your show needs a disclaimer that a lot of opinions will be given and those opinions are not necessarily rooted in biblical truth. I am in agreement about staying away from energy work (i.e. reiki, remote viewing, meditation that's not to our Lord) and anything that will leave your spirit open and unprotected. Your guest claimed that even the stretches and postures leave you open because that's how thy worshipped their gods...as if their gods are real. They aren't! I won't live in fear of Vishnu or Ganesh, just like I don't live in fear of Apollos or Athena. Because they aren't real. Demonic spirits respond to an open vessel not a name we pick out or a stretch we do. The best protection is to not be an open willing vessel for demonic possession period! Fill your heart and mind with the Holy Scriptures and pray to the Lord. Elijah called on the Lord and the lesser gods (demons) were defeated. He is the same now as he was then. Call on the name of the Lord for protection. I will not live in fear that if I stretch a certain way I'm opening some sort or portal (it's just not that easy guys, ladies in the gym or pilates classes would be opening portals all day long). It comes down to the posture of your heart, not the posture of your body.
So many Christians I know actually justify their yoga practice and tell me they are focusing on God while practicing yoga. Ive questioned them over and over but they are determined to continue as they believe because they have Jesus they don't have to worry about it. I know first hand the damage of the spiritual practice of yoga.
Leave them to God. My sister used to attend this church that I found to be a bit legalistic. They were nice people. They helped me when I was going through a rough patch, but that didn't change the legalism of the church and it was also a "pentecostal" church with the speaking in tongues and prophecy thing. I remember having a conversation with her about it, mainly the dress code thing, and she said she felt convicted by God to do it. I said to myself who am I to tell her what convicts her, so I prayed to God and said if it was wrong he would show her and get her out. It took a few years, but eventually she left. Just pray to Jesus and leave it to him and his timing.
I do planks to strengthen my core muscles. Do a lot of stretching. But I don't think any if it us yoga poses. I don't do any if those classes or sequences. We can't let the devil have our exercize.
1 Corinthians 15 KJV 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Romans 3 KJV 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Unfortunately I am not hearing her freedom from these. In this interview that her testimony or Christian conviction could be refuting these experiences but this interviewers are captivated with her experiences in these demonic traditions. More revealing would be to ask her what in these traditions deceived her caught her, more importantly what saved her soul. For me 40 yrs had been on the same path till the LORD saved me, I feel this interview is too involved with the practices not what about them is not of God or Biblical and what she has learned about these, how she has been convicted since her salvation. It's encapsulated at the end some of her statement of faith. It's hell to be part of that past, praise God and bless her for leaving the new agism! I have filled dumpsters with traces of idol worship from practicing yoga, Tibetan Buddhism, Reiki, Catholism.... as the LORD God would convict me my layers of false traditions and religion the parafinalia of worship and ritual, and years of books would be dumped. Nothing remains not of God, its so freeing.
Yes Connie F I agree with wanting more that speaks to what is not biblical. I wanted to use it as outreach to someone but not sure it would be sufficient. I do SO appreciate her though. Love all my sisters in Christ!
I apologize. I really don't mean to be a jerk but I've been in Indian restaurants with the same statues/idols, candles and incense. Is eating Indian food a spiritual thing. By the way those restaurants do make me a little uncomfortable.
really good point there my friend. my advice, ask God for guidance, go with the Spirit's leading with a scriptural basis! Lord Jesus please help us understand this we pray, thank you for hearing and loving us, in Your Name Jesus we pray amen.
I think you can do "yoga" and be christian because it's just stretching if you don't believe the yoga bs ur just stretching in very efficient ways it's just a way to relax if you give it thought you give it power
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I really appreciate this podcast. I am a Christian but I can say I’ve felt “off” in my walk. After many many years God helped me realize that I was walking and relying on my own strength in my pursuit towards Him. John 15 which speaks of abiding in Christ and He’s True Vine helped me realize I can do nothing spiritual for Him ON MY OWN. When we try to work with our own effort and strength leaves us tired and broken down. You never feel like you can do enough! When the guest spoke about all the money, vision quests, sweat lodges she went through to ascend , it made me realize that this is the New Age’s version of works based salvation. Always looking to DO MORE which in the end never satisfies. I’m so thankful that Jesus Christ lets us KNOW Him and approach Him!! If we seek Him, He WILL be found by us. No need to look further, He’s our answer ❤ God Bless
God is so loving and He cares so much for us wretched people.
This was a great podcast! Truly amazing how God leads people out of this stuff, completely transforming them to His Glory alone! People being saved from the slavery and death of sin by what God has done is the most amazing story ever told!
Thank you for truth about yoga. The church now does" holy yoga." Syncretism indeed
It’s very encouraging to hear. I left the prosperity gospel and it that in itself was a cult. I can relate. Gives me hope for my friends who are still stuck in that false gospel.
1 Corinthians 15 KJV
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Ephesians 1 KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Romans 3 KJV
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
I’m not sure about what cult you were in. But Gods promise of prosperity is all through scripture.
@@MrSdejoy ♥️
Galatians 1 KJV
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
@@MrSdejoy Paul is the author of Galatians and Corinthians. is Paul your apostle? Or do you deny Paul gospel that you will be judged by?
Romans 2 KJV
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Many years ago before I went into the occult and new age I went to yoga and I didn’t realize it at the time, but I had spiritual discernment to NEVER do it again. I felt extremely sick and uncomfortable and was adamant to never do it again even though I didn’t know why. Flash forward 25 years I get completely deceived and end up involved in psychedelics, new age, witchcraft, reiki etc Praise Jesus for pulling me out and saving me 🥹🤍🙏🏼🙌🏼
This was a beautiful testimony.
Thank you for sharing. I have been following Christ for 10 years but only in April of 22 did I get baptized. Since my baptism I have felt so convicted to renounce new age practices that still had a hold on my life. While watching this video I felt a compulsion to go through my jewelry box and get rid of things I once treasured and gave honor to- idols. I got rid of many crystals, half burnt sage, locks of my hair and anything that I felt convicted to get rid of. Thank you for your encouragement.
I saw you mentioned burnt sage. I remember seeing a clip of Rachel Hollis saying she does that now. Sounds like a total Christian mommy blogger thing to do, right??
@@hannahmcmillan5712 we need to pray for Rachel Hollis.
And have u ever heard of Alisa Childers? You should check her out on youtube. I have one of Alisa's books called Another Gospel. It's a very good book. I'm glad she speaks out against progressive Christianity.
Resonate with her testimony of new age practices, I did a lot of these things without even searching for it. Didn't put labels to it, did Reiki, meditation, and manifestation without even putting a label to it. Really just proves how demonically influenced these things are. Would like to see a cultish on heartful meditation
I asked an Indian pastor who came to Christ from Hinduism - Do Christians in India do yoga? He was slightly alarmed and said, "Oh, no ma'am! Only Hindus. It is religious practice."
This is one of the best explanations I've heard about yoga I've heard.
Woah!! That ThetaHealing she's talking a about is slightly reminiscent of Bethel's Sozo. Essentially, you are getting permission to enter people's traumas and "pulling things" out to replace them, like she said. Sozo calls the traumas "the lie we are believing". Mind blown!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bethel seems super new agey
I didn’t even catch that!! That is so true!
I went into yoga teacher training too. The so called teacher was one of the most toxic and manipulative person that I met. She didnt care about health at all, she only cared about Instagram aesthetics and she admitted that she injured her own knees doing all these photo friendly poses. Thanks to her toxic personality I woke up early and left and saved my knees.
Ballet is really great for exercise !
30:20 theta healing, thank you for articulating this!!!! You shared so well, bless you sister
Jan markell has a great video on this topic too!
When the East Seduces the Church - jessica smith
I've looked up Yoga poses online, I've never been to a class. When I looked them up online, it just had the poses, nothing else. I easily did it at the gym without any instructor or outside spiritual influence. I don't do them in order, I just do them mixed in with other things, I didn't even know there were different types of Yoga.
Will you please do a video on homeopathy and homeopathic medicine?
I would be so grateful for this as well. It was the last thing I held onto but I eventually cast it at the foot of the cross. I still don’t fully understand why or how it was so effective.
@@julietleblanc9197 yes, I don’t use it either. Something just doesn’t feel right.
Yes please!!!
@@poolahpot may I ask why/what doesn’t seem right about it? Myself and my family and some very close friends (all of us Christians) found it and use it and we truly believe the Lord led us to homeopathy. We also learned the basics of it from a Christian. We’ve found incredible healing and actual answers/resolve to health issues that we weren’t getting from western medicine. Not saying that we are right, we could be wrong (although we’ve prayed constantly about it), I would just like to hear your perspective ❤️
@@oliviabosma4465 I would like to know as well. I use homeopathy as a Christian and ir works. Haven't felt convicted about it....but open to learn and be guided by the Holy Spirit
Hey, have y’all ever done any shows on ‘Noahide’?
It is a form of Judaism based on the seven laws of Noah.
I have a nephew that is pretty messed up in this stuff, and would like to hear what you think about it. From what I know, it’s pretty abominable.
Could Cultish address qigong? I have a close family member that has been practicing it for years and I’m having trouble finding a resource that calls it out specifically.
I agree
Thank you so much for this.
Mindfulness has become a big thing in public schools. They are calling it social emotional Learning.
Iyengar founder and teacher of western yoga teachers says there is no separating of the spiritual effects from the assana/yoga postures, just assuming the posture regulate the breath with out conscious effort or will, this is what opens one to the gods or demonic deities associated with each posture.
I'm reposting my comment because I'm hoping it was a computer glitch and not that Cultish can't tolerate a dissenting point go view. If you wan't to refute my arguments please do it in the comments instead of deleting my comment.
The hypocrisy of Cultish is sad. I purposely watched the martial arts show and the yoga show back to back. The lack of biblical reasoning and logic is shocking and irresponsible.
The martial arts show plays like an informercial guide on how to find a good class and thankfully teaches how to avoid the energy work that can leave you open to demonic spirits. Then the yoga show comes across as under no circumstances is there to be anything gained from the physical exercise of yoga. Both martial arts and yoga are built on eastern thought and energy work. They are practically "sisters" so to speak, so how can you be in favor of martial arts and against yoga? It makes no sense.
Durbin did a good job of explaining that the physical exercise can be separated from the spirit/energy work. Durbin argues there is much to gain for our military and law enforcement in the protection martial arts provides. I'd make that same argument for yoga in that it has much to offer the elderly, those suffering with chronic injuries, and limited mobility.
I understand your guest is a new believer and is very much afraid of what she just escaped. But it is very similar to the drunkard finding Christ and yet is still fearful to take a sip unbelieving that they have truly been set free. (Your example in your video on AA, not mine.) She also explains that the whole point of the workout is to get you to a euphoric state at the end as if that is a bad thing. Now I need to be afraid of 'runners high'? I need to avoid the endorphins that are a natural consequence of most exercise? God made our brains to work a certain way and it's pretty simple science that can be found in a high school biology book or health class.
Your show needs a disclaimer that a lot of opinions will be given and those opinions are not necessarily rooted in biblical truth. I am in agreement about staying away from energy work (i.e. reiki, remote viewing, meditation that's not to our Lord) and anything that will leave your spirit open and unprotected. Your guest claimed that even the stretches and postures leave you open because that's how thy worshipped their gods...as if their gods are real. They aren't! I won't live in fear of Vishnu or Ganesh, just like I don't live in fear of Apollos or Athena. Because they aren't real. Demonic spirits respond to an open vessel not a name we pick out or a stretch we do. The best protection is to not be an open willing vessel for demonic possession period! Fill your heart and mind with the Holy Scriptures and pray to the Lord. Elijah called on the Lord and the lesser gods (demons) were defeated. He is the same now as he was then. Call on the name of the Lord for protection. I will not live in fear that if I stretch a certain way I'm opening some sort or portal (it's just not that easy guys, ladies in the gym or pilates classes would be opening portals all day long). It comes down to the posture of your heart, not the posture of your body.
So many Christians I know actually justify their yoga practice and tell me they are focusing on God while practicing yoga. Ive questioned them over and over but they are determined to continue as they believe because they have Jesus they don't have to worry about it. I know first hand the damage of the spiritual practice of yoga.
Leave them to God. My sister used to attend this church that I found to be a bit legalistic. They were nice people. They helped me when I was going through a rough patch, but that didn't change the legalism of the church and it was also a "pentecostal" church with the speaking in tongues and prophecy thing. I remember having a conversation with her about it, mainly the dress code thing, and she said she felt convicted by God to do it. I said to myself who am I to tell her what convicts her, so I prayed to God and said if it was wrong he would show her and get her out. It took a few years, but eventually she left. Just pray to Jesus and leave it to him and his timing.
Awesome information
I don't do yoga but weight lifting and running are painful as well
I do planks to strengthen my core muscles. Do a lot of stretching. But I don't think any if it us yoga poses. I don't do any if those classes or sequences. We can't let the devil have our exercize.
The splits?
My daughter is trained in that ick
I've taken a half dozen yoga classes. They would relieve pain in a shoulder. Was that simply a physical benefit or was it somehow a spiritual benefit?
One is attending worship service when they attend yoga classes, so it was not purely physical.
1 Corinthians 15 KJV
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Romans 3 KJV
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
What about the splits? Calisthenics, ballet? Touching your toes is a yoga pose usasana. I love jesus but i still touch my toes
Jesus is Lord!
Reiki is pure evil. Will open one up to the demonic.
Unfortunately I am not hearing her freedom from these. In this interview that her testimony or Christian conviction could be refuting these experiences but this interviewers are captivated with her experiences in these demonic traditions. More revealing would be to ask her what in these traditions deceived her caught her, more importantly what saved her soul.
For me 40 yrs had been on the same path till the LORD saved me, I feel this interview is too involved with the practices not what about them is not of God or Biblical and what she has learned about these, how she has been convicted since her salvation. It's encapsulated at the end some of her statement of faith. It's hell to be part of that past, praise God and bless her for leaving the new agism!
I have filled dumpsters with traces of idol worship from practicing yoga, Tibetan Buddhism, Reiki, Catholism.... as the LORD God would convict me my layers of false traditions and religion the parafinalia of worship and ritual, and years of books would be dumped. Nothing remains not of God, its so freeing.
Yes Connie F I agree with wanting more that speaks to what is not biblical. I wanted to use it as outreach to someone but not sure it would be sufficient. I do SO appreciate her though. Love all my sisters in Christ!
Yeah..do you think the splits is off limits? Like touching toes is a yoga pose and so is the splits. But calisthenics and ballet also do these
What about schools doing poses with our children?
Fasting for 4 days(not eating or drinking) is uncomfortable for anyone.
3HO kundeluni I went uncomfortable psychic
What about all these tattoos?
The burning stuff bit reminds me how me and my friends burn christians books so no one can be hurt by its ideology.
Wow, did you delete my comment?
I worked with a woman who talked about Reiki! I was no honey that is not GOD!!
I apologize. I really don't mean to be a jerk but I've been in Indian restaurants with the same statues/idols, candles and incense. Is eating Indian food a spiritual thing. By the way those restaurants do make me a little uncomfortable.
really good point there my friend. my advice, ask God for guidance, go with the Spirit's leading with a scriptural basis! Lord Jesus please help us understand this we pray, thank you for hearing and loving us, in Your Name Jesus we pray amen.
I don't eat or order food from restaurants who practice idol worship or beliefs that are not of God. Very particular who prepares my food.
Romans 14 and 1 Corinthians 10 are good chapters on this subject.
This is 100% religious.
Uh, yes, this is a Christian podcast, religion is discussed. I have no idea what you were expecting.
I think you can do "yoga" and be christian because it's just stretching if you don't believe the yoga bs ur just stretching in very efficient ways it's just a way to relax if you give it thought you give it power
Such narrow mindedness and paranoia.
You didn't even let your experience complete itself.
Experience with discernment