I want to point out, and I didn’t mention it in the video, but this was the “son” of a locksmith who’s father had rekeyed similar locks in the past for this customer. If that’s the case, the son likely did have some type of equipment (for key cutting) or at least one would assume that. Who knows 🤷♂️ Yes you can easily clip out a key with a inexpensive Lishi clipper. Maybe it wouldn’t have been “on spec” but it really wouldn’t need to be, you can clip out a key and use any key pins that worked.
I've talked to locksmiths that act like it is a cross between rocket science and some ancient mystical art. They are pissed that so much information is readily available on the Internet. They don't think mere human beings should have access to knowledge.
@@skygh That seems to be the attitude in Europe where lock companies freely accept feedback and laws and insurance company policies mandate a minimum level of pick resistance.
That looks like either a Russwin or Segal cylinder. Nothing interests me more than old locks and keys. Ever since I was about 4 years old I've been fascinated.
one off locks that don't need to be part of a system can be set to whatever pin specs a person can dream. May not be "right" but it can be done. As long as the key brings the pins to the shear line, the lock don't care.
@@georgeblair7129 True. That 2nd plug looked like the top was ground off to add some slop to the sheer line. Jason's reaction had me wondering if the 1st guy accidently dumped the top pins. (no spring or pins)
I embarrassingly almost had to tell a customer the same thing last week. RU46 mortise locks. I just happened to have extra blanks from one previous customer, but I don't have a code cutting machine or space and depth keys for the RU46. So I put their current key in my duplicator, cut the first two cuts more shallow, and the last 3 cuts deeper, and then trial and error'd the pins till I had a working lock.
I'm going to agree with everyone who said he likely either didn't have anything other than Kwikset and Schlage pinning kits and/or he didn't have an easy way to make the keys and just carries Schlage/Kwikset precuts with him and doesn't know how useful a file can be for a locksmith. I don't have any old old Russwin keyway cylinders in stock, but I would have at least offered a nice D1 or SC4 replacement if the cylinders were too far gone to rekey.
Hi Jason. Thanks for doing this video. I'm really surprised that a locksmith could not do a key for these locks. Unless they are auto,but they do Honda's. Or no pin kit,not it's in a right state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the pin kit. Easily done with a pin kit and correct tools. Thanks again for taking the time to do this video. Hope you didn't get too wet.
I can't wait until the end of this month. I'm going to get me a Borkey, a Mini-Mite, a Framon 2, and a Dang-It Wes-tinghouse. And they all look new and in prestine condition. It seems like today anyone with a screwdriver can call themselves a locksmith. If I don't know something or how to do something I'll inform the customer and refer them to someone else.
I had a similar issue and was told a lock could not be rekeyed one time. I assumed the guy was an idiot and went elsewhere to get it done. It was a simpler job then that one because it was a common keyway.
Would seem like to me if he was a locksmith he would have had the items that it took to do the job if he didn’t then he wouldn’t even have accepted it in the first place. Maybe he was a Maintenance Man locksmith that’s the kind of come in and talk to me. And they have done them for 35 years plus and have done them over and over again and they’re well qualified what they tell me. Lol 😂 On a more serious note Great job on the video Jason keep up the good work and will keep up the laughs.
I see a bunch of 1930's era Russwin 852 keyway (RU1 key blank) cylinders around here -- looks like exactly what you were working on. I even have a box of Original Russwin blanks - nice. I thought you were going to make a key that actually worked the existing pinning -- oh well
Where can u buy blank keys? Also how do u know what blank will fit? Also how do u make a master key? Are there any requirements for a master key to be possible?
Maybe they added other doors and couldn't key them alike to a more modern system. Any average half-a$$ "Locksmith" should have no problem making keys to them.
Be interesting to hear the back story but honestly, these mortise cylinders are so cheap, I usually have them brand new in pairs already keyed alike and they’re almost the same price as rekeying the old ones. If they had a set key they wanted them to match (like maybe the pinning was worn or they had so many worn duplicate keys being used I’d reuse/ rekey the old ones to match but if they’re starting over I’d probably go new and it’d be about the same price. Russwin isn’t a common keyway in my area but I do have blanks jic. Thanks for sharing!
I can only assume, for the guy to find one of our old Russwin videos and contact us and pay for shipping back and forth he wanted to maintain his original stuff. He did mention he had "other old Russwin's" so to him, it was worth it I reckon :)
Pretty bad that someone that's suppose to be a Locksmith couldn't rekey a cylinder and cut a key. Maybe they didn't know about shimming the plug from the rear or had another job that was going to pay more. Could have lazy and didn't want to deal with gummed up cylinders. If I can re-key those and code cut new keys with a rudimentary Foley Belsaw Model 200 (with tolerances of +/-0.01") then something is wrong with the so called "Locksmith" (they might not of had a key machine with them which would be stupid). About the only requests I've had that I cannot do is Biaxal keys, New Automotive keys, and programming fobs. Now if I dont need a key programmer I can sometimes manually program a fob. I don't have the money to spend on the equipment needed to do those tasks. I've been a Locksmith Apprentice for about 18 months. My mentor has taught me just about everything he knows and I've taught him about some things he's forgotten.
Speaking of key machines. Who do you know around the southern states who can repair HPC blitz? I have a couple that need parts from rotating through different locksmiths vans over the years and sending them to hpc is a 9 month ordeal right now.
It's up to 9 months now? So ridiculous. I've always mostly done my own (minor-ish repairs) so I don't know if anyone else is out there. I think they gotcha on the specific parts though.
@@selock Hey man! I called you the other day. Yeah..I calibrate all of ours but I've got one that has a screwed up needle assembly. Basically, cotter pin broke that holds the spacing shaft (the shaft that moves the vice horizontally) and the whole vice supposedly shot out and totally screwed up the needle gears 💩 ⚙️ 😳
I'm wondering if the son of the original Locksmith was able to remove the mortise locks from what was probably an old entry handle lock set. ( not sure what those are called actually) anyway... It doesn't look like any attempt was made to open the cams etc. That or Russwin looked foreign to him and no code machine to boot.
Maybe he didn't have a key machine or depth / space info/card or depth & space keys? Maybe didn't have another blank to reference off of, depending on his machine? Obviously, there are ways of getting around all of that. Who knows. Good job, Jason 🍷
mmm maybe, but if that’s the case they really shouldn’t be performing/responding for the service 🤷♂️ would be kinda like me responding to a sidewinder Honda AKL call really
@@selock Yeah, you wonder sometimes. I mean, I read somewhere else where you mentioned it was the son of the locksmith who had done it before, so presumably if he's calling himself a locksmith he has tools like you said. But really, even if you have nothing... Zero locksmith tools, zero reference material... Take the lock apart, stick the blank in the cylinder, make sure it's seated fully, stick a nail or a 1/8 inch (I think) drill bit in each pin hole, whatever you have to mark center. Then file, being mindful of your angles and to allow enough width for the root cut. Reuse the pins, just swap the position of 2 or 3. And like you said, doesn't even need to be on spec, so you could even file the pins shorter if you wanted to. If there's no working key, pick it. If you can't pick it, shim it. Don't have shims, go raid your DVD collection or buy a cheap one for one of those anti-theft thingies, and take it apart for the metal strips. They're not pre-curved, so a little fidgety, but they work. Use a drill bit or a rolled up business card for your plug follower. It's about as down and dirty as it gets, and the end result might not be pretty, but it'll work. Thank you for reading my rant 😆. As you said, if you can't do it, don't say that you can. But, everybody's new once, so the point is, there's nothing wrong with not knowing, just learn... From fine, instructive videos like this one 😉👍 Enjoy your Monday, Jason! 🍷
I want to point out, and I didn’t mention it in the video, but this was the “son” of a locksmith who’s father had rekeyed similar locks in the past for this customer.
If that’s the case, the son likely did have some type of equipment (for key cutting) or at least one would assume that. Who knows 🤷♂️
Yes you can easily clip out a key with a inexpensive Lishi clipper. Maybe it wouldn’t have been “on spec” but it really wouldn’t need to be, you can clip out a key and use any key pins that worked.
It's so hot and wet in Jackson that a locksmith beard melts off
I've talked to locksmiths that act like it is a cross between rocket science and some ancient mystical art. They are pissed that so much information is readily available on the Internet. They don't think mere human beings should have access to knowledge.
I am a locksmith. I don't think I could care much less. It should lead to better products
@@skygh That seems to be the attitude in Europe where lock companies freely accept feedback and laws and insurance company policies mandate a minimum level of pick resistance.
That looks like either a Russwin or Segal cylinder. Nothing interests me more than old locks and keys. Ever since I was about 4 years old I've been fascinated.
Wow, you take care of all kinds of antique locks Jason, even ones that other locksmiths can’t handle 😁
Well… sometimes you have to get a real locksmith to get it done….good jobJason!!!
I have rekeyed thousands of those in my 30 years career.
Maybe the guy who tried before is just a locksmi...not quite there yet.
Great video thanks Jason.
Great video! Always good to see the old stuff restored to good use!
Great video Jason, I've been watching Saturday live after it's posted, I've been working Saturdays but I enjoy them. Keep up the good work.
Another great video - fast and efficient locksmithing, and shows everything we need to learn. The bread and buttah work!
I'd probably say that the
"Locksmith" in question
Only had Schlage & kwikset
pinning kits... & a drill.
😁
Thanks for sharing.
That's what I was thinking.
one off locks that don't need to be part of a system can be set to whatever pin specs a person can dream. May not be "right" but it can be done. As long as the key brings the pins to the shear line, the lock don't care.
@@georgeblair7129 True. That 2nd plug looked like the top was ground off to add some slop to the sheer line. Jason's reaction had me wondering if the 1st guy accidently dumped the top pins. (no spring or pins)
I embarrassingly almost had to tell a customer the same thing last week. RU46 mortise locks. I just happened to have extra blanks from one previous customer, but I don't have a code cutting machine or space and depth keys for the RU46. So I put their current key in my duplicator, cut the first two cuts more shallow, and the last 3 cuts deeper, and then trial and error'd the pins till I had a working lock.
I am not a locksmith but I understand how it is done a little
Your video’s are very educational. Thanks. Must of been a maintenance person not a locksmith or just lazy and do’s not won’t to mess with old stuff.
I'm going to agree with everyone who said he likely either didn't have anything other than Kwikset and Schlage pinning kits and/or he didn't have an easy way to make the keys and just carries Schlage/Kwikset precuts with him and doesn't know how useful a file can be for a locksmith. I don't have any old old Russwin keyway cylinders in stock, but I would have at least offered a nice D1 or SC4 replacement if the cylinders were too far gone to rekey.
Hi Jason.
Thanks for doing this video.
I'm really surprised that a locksmith could not do a key for these locks.
Unless they are auto,but they do Honda's.
Or no pin kit,not it's in a right state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the pin kit. Easily done with a pin kit and correct tools.
Thanks again for taking the time to do this video.
Hope you didn't get too wet.
I can't wait until the end of this month. I'm going to get me a Borkey, a Mini-Mite, a Framon 2, and a Dang-It Wes-tinghouse. And they all look new and in prestine condition. It seems like today anyone with a screwdriver can call themselves a locksmith. If I don't know something or how to do something I'll inform the customer and refer them to someone else.
I had a similar issue and was told a lock could not be rekeyed one time. I assumed the guy was an idiot and went elsewhere to get it done. It was a simpler job then that one because it was a common keyway.
I have the same key machine I just got it I got it used from my foreman for 300 bucks I love the thing it’s awesome
That was a great deal!
It was a great deal he’s been trying to me locksmith
Would seem like to me if he was a locksmith he would have had the items that it took to do the job if he didn’t then he wouldn’t even have accepted it in the first place. Maybe he was a Maintenance Man locksmith that’s the kind of come in and talk to me. And they have done them for 35 years plus and have done them over and over again and they’re well qualified what they tell me. Lol 😂
On a more serious note
Great job on the video Jason keep up the good work and will keep up the laughs.
These locks are commercial used in front entry doors of apt buildings and also some commercial businesses .
I see a bunch of 1930's era Russwin 852 keyway (RU1 key blank) cylinders around here -- looks like exactly what you were working on. I even have a box of Original Russwin blanks - nice. I thought you were going to make a key that actually worked the existing pinning -- oh well
meh, no need to do that
Where can u buy blank keys?
Also how do u know what blank will fit?
Also how do u make a master key? Are there any requirements for a master key to be possible?
Maybe they added other doors and couldn't key them alike to a more modern system. Any average half-a$$ "Locksmith" should have no problem making keys to them.
some people never learned to even file out keys I guess?
right?
An almost shaven face -- Jason "cleaned up" his act, ha, ha -- what does Kim think?
I noticed that too.
Be interesting to hear the back story but honestly, these mortise cylinders are so cheap, I usually have them brand new in pairs already keyed alike and they’re almost the same price as rekeying the old ones. If they had a set key they wanted them to match (like maybe the pinning was worn or they had so many worn duplicate keys being used I’d reuse/ rekey the old ones to match but if they’re starting over I’d probably go new and it’d be about the same price. Russwin isn’t a common keyway in my area but I do have blanks jic. Thanks for sharing!
I can only assume, for the guy to find one of our old Russwin videos and contact us and pay for shipping back and forth he wanted to maintain his original stuff. He did mention he had "other old Russwin's" so to him, it was worth it I reckon :)
Pretty bad that someone that's suppose to be a Locksmith couldn't rekey a cylinder and cut a key. Maybe they didn't know about shimming the plug from the rear or had another job that was going to pay more. Could have lazy and didn't want to deal with gummed up cylinders. If I can re-key those and code cut new keys with a rudimentary Foley Belsaw Model 200 (with tolerances of +/-0.01") then something is wrong with the so called "Locksmith" (they might not of had a key machine with them which would be stupid). About the only requests I've had that I cannot do is Biaxal keys, New Automotive keys, and programming fobs. Now if I dont need a key programmer I can sometimes manually program a fob. I don't have the money to spend on the equipment needed to do those tasks. I've been a Locksmith Apprentice for about 18 months. My mentor has taught me just about everything he knows and I've taught him about some things he's forgotten.
Speaking of key machines. Who do you know around the southern states who can repair HPC blitz? I have a couple that need parts from rotating through different locksmiths vans over the years and sending them to hpc is a 9 month ordeal right now.
It's up to 9 months now? So ridiculous. I've always mostly done my own (minor-ish repairs) so I don't know if anyone else is out there. I think they gotcha on the specific parts though.
@@selock Hey man! I called you the other day. Yeah..I calibrate all of ours but I've got one that has a screwed up needle assembly. Basically, cotter pin broke that holds the spacing shaft (the shaft that moves the vice horizontally) and the whole vice supposedly shot out and totally screwed up the needle gears 💩 ⚙️ 😳
funny they must have been scammers
I have to wonder at what point is it more economical to simply replace the cylinder, in the UK Yale and euro cylinders can be had for sub £10 each
those old russwin will last well beyond the crap made in you know where yale stuff will
I could not see what you were doing for your hands.
I'm wondering if the son of the original Locksmith was able to remove the mortise locks from what was probably an old entry handle lock set. ( not sure what those are called actually) anyway... It doesn't look like any attempt was made to open the cams etc. That or Russwin looked foreign to him and no code machine to boot.
Maybe he didn't have a key machine or depth / space info/card or depth & space keys? Maybe didn't have another blank to reference off of, depending on his machine? Obviously, there are ways of getting around all of that. Who knows. Good job, Jason 🍷
mmm maybe, but if that’s the case they really shouldn’t be performing/responding for the service 🤷♂️
would be kinda like me responding to a sidewinder Honda AKL call really
also like I notated, I could have accomplished this with a $40 Lishi clipper (maybe not that great a key but still would have worked fine)
@@selock Yeah, you wonder sometimes. I mean, I read somewhere else where you mentioned it was the son of the locksmith who had done it before, so presumably if he's calling himself a locksmith he has tools like you said. But really, even if you have nothing... Zero locksmith tools, zero reference material... Take the lock apart, stick the blank in the cylinder, make sure it's seated fully, stick a nail or a 1/8 inch (I think) drill bit in each pin hole, whatever you have to mark center. Then file, being mindful of your angles and to allow enough width for the root cut. Reuse the pins, just swap the position of 2 or 3. And like you said, doesn't even need to be on spec, so you could even file the pins shorter if you wanted to. If there's no working key, pick it. If you can't pick it, shim it. Don't have shims, go raid your DVD collection or buy a cheap one for one of those anti-theft thingies, and take it apart for the metal strips. They're not pre-curved, so a little fidgety, but they work. Use a drill bit or a rolled up business card for your plug follower. It's about as down and dirty as it gets, and the end result might not be pretty, but it'll work.
Thank you for reading my rant 😆. As you said, if you can't do it, don't say that you can. But, everybody's new once, so the point is, there's nothing wrong with not knowing, just learn... From fine, instructive videos like this one 😉👍
Enjoy your Monday, Jason! 🍷
yikes
didn't even look like they tried to open them up. didn't know how to pick or shim? don't have a pin kit or a file?
i would be completely in the dark if i hadn't been picking for 20 years. never trained but know exactly whats happening.