Highlift jack vs Bottle jack vs Exhaust jack
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- Highlift jack vs Bottle jack vs Exhaust jack
SKIP/JUMP POINTS
0:01 Intro
0:47 Crash course
4:42 Terrain Sand
6:11 Terrain Mud
6:57 Terrain Hard ground
7:40 Terrain Rocks
8:39 Terrain General use
9:15 Base Plates
10:04 Pro's and Con's HIGHLIFT Jack
13:52 ARB JACK pros Cons
15:33 Pro's and Con's Bottle Jack
19:48 Pro's and Con's Exhaust Jack
22:03 The most Important Item of ALL
22:28 Conclusion
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Hi-lift jack, or as the say in Scottsdale, "A Hood Ornament"
DesertFernweh Lmao people love to put them i their hoods and roof racks with their stickers and no paint scratches on it.
@@cablenowadays6586 We call those, Pavement Queens or FTNs Fake Tits on a Nun.
Yay middle class soccer moms
@@cablenowadays6586 Yep! Also, the bro-dozer pickups with a massive hitch with no scratches on it.
@@DesertFernweh lmao the Concrete Cowboys
Americans all carry Hi Lifts mounted outside on bull bars or roof racks BECAUSE IT looks COOL when parked at Krogers, getting groceries!
Fester Adams Aussies’ favourite are the awning and bright orange recovery boards. Gotta let everyone know how hardcore you are.
No, we just carry fully automatic death ray machine guns to deal with the Safety Sally nose in the air blokes like you.
Filing this away under "Sad but True"
as an american who thinks its stupid, i can confirm
Agreed, I can't stand how people just have them for appearances...
Hell, i go off roading so often, but damn the looks I get if I use my truck for something other than mudding, rock crawling, and sand cruising. It's the only vehicle I have, but I wouldn't have it any other way. I love my baby.
When using a farm jack I chain the suspension to limit travel. That way you don’t have to lift the jack as high to get a wheel up
You also refer to it by its proper name. I would wager that 85% of owners don't know more than 2-3 uses for this tool. I stunned the whole camp when I pressed a ujoint into a driveshaft still on the truck with it
Smart
@@jackwagonsplaylists holy shit I'm not the only one?!? I mean I did it on an axle shaft not a driveshaft, but I pressed a U joint nonetheless
There’s thinking.
The release valve on the bottle Jack has to be closed when storing it on it's side or the fluid will leak out.
Great video.
Take a look at the Hi-Lift LM-100 Lift Mate! You can attach your Hi-Lift Jack to your wheels and lift your wheels. If you have jack stands, you can even change your tires! And it's always a good idea to use wheel chocks on the wheel diagonally opposite where your jacking. I hope this is helpful!
Yes exactly. I use this since years. Works perfectly and reduces a lot of the danger points (no proper fixing points, need to lift it up the whole chassis travel,...) and you can use it like a "small winch". The best thing to reduce the risk, working with all the jacks is, take time, no hurry and think what you do.
Fantastic video! I once used an exhaust jack to hold my vehicle from rolling over on its side when it was sideways in a ditch till someone came to winch me out. It also provided some support, preventing the car from rolling while it was winched out.
I always carry around an old phone book for a jack plate & paper to light my fires.
thanks bud...good idea..i'll use it..cheers!
What’s a phone book ???? Lol 😂
@@mtnboy6201 🤣🤣🤣 Showing my age aren't I?
Cool idea, but Can't find a phone book, so I'll have to use a full reem of a4 printer paper from my works stationary cabinet...ha ha
I use Victoria's secret catalogues
One of the best presentations I’ve seen on any subject. Thank you for taking the time to do a great job.
bless your heart for kindly providing the jump links
My Hi-Lift Jack was used once on the vehicle, 2004 Xterra. Most often used for pulling many fence posts embedded in concrete out of the ground. Once a group of us were removing a long run of old wood fence. After removing all the rails and pickets next came pulling out the posts, so they began digging around the first post. I stopped them, connected a strap around the post then using the Hi-Lift jacked it out, they were amazed how easy it came out. Then using the jack we went from post to post; too cool. It saved us much time and back breaking work.
Really glad I found your channel Ronny! As a complete noob to off-roading your vids explain things very completely and in a way a noob like me can get! I will be watching a lot of your stuff!!
We still carry a scissor jack as well as a couple of bottle jacks because the scissor will get under when there is very little room
It will get under when a small bottle wont. Great advice on the vid.
That's the combo I'm thinking of sticking with.
For someone getting into 4WDing i like your channel, PCOR and 4WD Action. I like yours for all the tips and getting into more detail about things I actually have questions about. Cheers!!!
Very informative. Thanks. Cons of exhaust lift - it's CO not CO2. Bigger risk. Prolonged diluted exposure can be potentially fatal. Stay upwind when possible and minimise close exposure to higher concentrations.
I'm glad you mentioned having solid jacking points for the high-lift. I have seen many plastic SUVs driving around with those jacks mounted to roof or spare tire racks.
I looked at the ARB jack at Overland Expo and once I saw the price $795, I decided that it is not the jack for me. Great review on all of the different types of jacks. So much knowledge and experience on what to and what not to use. Thank you
Awesome video dude, extremely informative as always. When I first heard of the exhaust Jack, I thought “what a joke, I can think of millions of reasons why that would never work in any application “but it was interesting to see that there are in fact a few uses for it
I just picked up a bottle jack buddy. They are back in stock and now powder coated. Great video!
A hydraulic bottle jack should actually be stored in a basically upright position for longer term storage. Juss saying...
Thanks to your vids I’ve ditched the HiLift and only use a bottle jack (or 2); mainly because my vehicle doesn’t have adequate lift points. Don’t regret it! Thanks Ronnie!
Very good vid. Noticed several folks asking for this type of comparison and you hooked it up.
Bottle jacks are awesome. I've even used it inside my steel-tray tool box, so Hi-Lift jack could lift the Cruiser by the tool box without crushing it.
Really comprehensive explanation, good info, sound advice, well done - thanks. 😊 I agree that highlift has limited use for most, and bottle is the most versatile. I rarely go sand and do not have a gasbag, but I see there value for others. Pressures and shovel are the bomb!
In my case, I'm the gas-bag!! lol
Good video, I will just say though the exhaust jack can be used as an actually very useful tool when fitting accessories, we where using one to lift a rear bar into right position and holding it there while we bolted it in, made it very easy to maneuver it and get it in place
Excellent ,very useful video ! Thanks Ronny !
My Ford Expedition has a stock bottle jack and long trips I take the High Lift as well as a secondary only as a precaution. High lift we are super careful and very methodical with holding it firmly. Thx for the Vid Ronny
Hey Ron, just letting you know at 5:52 you said "this is where the bottle jack is superior" while you're putting the exhaust jack under the ranger :P
Opps 😬
That's a land rover
Personally I use a high lift jack with an adapter on the wheel so no need to lift the body first
I always enjoy your videos brother
Great video as usual, very useful information
I bring a bottle jack and hi-lift. I also carry a jack stand just in case. The jack stand helps when winching others up hills. I place it under the bumper. It keeps the suspension from taking the load and adds a level of predictability. Thanks Ronnie for another great video.
Mate thanks heaps for the vid , just in time as I was deciding what to get ad you helped out heaps , bottle wins for me cheers keep up great work
Always informative Ronny. Thanks mate 👍🏼
I keep a bottle jack and a hi-lift jack in my Hummer H3 always. The Hi-Lift has got me unstuck in the past. Thanks Ronni, you are a fountain of useful information. Happy New Year, bro :|
Good intro to all jacks ..... thanks Ronny
Great info as always, and very timely, I've been looking at what jack to get to compliment my stock scissor jack. Thanks!
Lol this comment sounds like it was written by a 40 yr old virgin who just got his first car there is no complimenting a stock jack either use it for flats like it was meant for or throw it out
I'm a Canadian geologist and use farm jacks, usually a 48" Jackall as most of our work trucks are non lifted Toyota hiLux rentals.
You can drive off a Jackall if you've lifted from the bumper but I find it usually damages both the bumper and the jack. But in an emergency when time is a factor I do it.
For vehicles without proper bumpers you can attach a screw on set of wheel spoke hooks onto the jacks jaw and lift a wheel. This works well if you are stuck in a hole, just lift the wheel and fill in the hole with rocks. If it's a flat then you have to lift the wheel then block up the vehicle with timber or if you are smart, the axle stand that you brought with you.
Agreed.
Shovel, bottle jack and base plate.
I have seen a trolley jack used before on a 78 for ease - but they have weight limits and take up a fair bit of space.
I've only just started using a bottle Jack, love it. My high lift is used on a stock vehicle so I have some equipment to bolt onto it so I can use it better, I'd always carry a High lift and a bottle on trails.
Super helpful and a little scary. Thanks for putting it together!
Great and informative mate🔥🇿🇦🚜😎 love the pros vs cons
For my mild occasional off roading in a 2005 4Runner that's my unobtrusive gray man bug out vehicle, i chose an 8 ton hydraulic jack and the fairly capable (if slow) factory screw bottle jack, based largely on the comparison in this and your other Hi-Lift jack video.
I yhink I'll carry a good come along to use instead of a winch, along with the receiver shackle, axle straps, traction track mats, etc.
Thanks for the GREAT information.
Another outstanding video mate. enjoy you and ASPW s no bull honest videos
something not mentioned regarding the bottle jack how small the head is - you can get adapters to sit on top to help lifting an axel or just to spread out the load, safe jack makes a whole kit including extensions and base plates, its been a huge help and made the bottle jack even more useful/safe
Great point. I was going to mention that scissor jacks at least have a notch that fits certain lift points on certain vehicles, but such an adapter for a bottle jack could work even better.
Yep I have the Sargent kit...
Thanks for the tip.
Ronny, you can use the Hi Lift by lifting on the tire by either using the Hi Lift Lift Mate or a tree strap in a basket congratulation around the tire. You can also cast cast with the Hi Lift. Similar to as what you were saying about the bottle jack.
This is extremely comprehensive, thank you
Heya Ronny - love your stuff. You didn't mention the X-Jack option which is exhaust or compressor. Everyone has a compressor, is much easier to regulate (start/stop lift) and takes this back to a one-man operation. Also no exhaust fumes on deflation!
I love the Hi-lift and you can drive off those or jack the truck up and push it off to the side. You have to have points to jack from but for trail rigs with armor no problems. We also always throw in a 5 ton aluminum floor jack and 2 stands, for fixing and bigger salvage projects.
Very informative video Ronny! Thanks Man!
Great info as always. Agree 100% with everything you said. If you said you can only take one jack, for me it would be the exhaust jack - mainly because you can use it everywhere. The other types of jack, the terrain is hugely limiting. Sand, mud, swamp and hard ground = exhaust jack. Thanks for the vids and advice mate - awesome.
Great explanation Ronny Thank you mate ! I totally agree with you Bottle Jack all the way !
Make sense to use bottle jacks thanks for the in depth info.
Hey Ronnie thanks for all the tips and tricks anyway mate merry Christmas and a happy safe new year to you and your family mate see you out on the tracks next year
Fantastic video for off roaders. I have ofteb carried "floor jacks" with me, that would be an interesting addition here, also using the exhaust jack with a compressor (of course wont work if engine wont start) Pneumatic bottle jacks are interesting as well.
Total agreement ....with you guys. I have a 2 ton and 6 ton. Greetings
Great video, Ronny, as always. The hilift jack gets a lot of criticism, but I find it very effective even on sand if used correctly and with a base plate. I don’t have a bull bar, but use the wheel hooks which are very effective. Agree, depends on rims, so need to test in advance.
Another idea for a topic for you: drinking water. Eg sterilizing water tanks, using inline filters, emergency water purifiers, etc
Found a guy stuck to his station waggon by a highlift on I-35 one night. Something just looked wrong when I passed so I went back. His car rolled forward just a bit and it caught his hand against the back door. He had been standing there pulling on that jack, trying not to lose his fingers for a long time. He was pretty badly hurt. I have used Highlift jacks for 30+ years, YES- they are dangerous,. YES they can kill you. The old truckers used to call them a "Widow maker". My well used Highlift jack is mounted on the front bumper of my 4x4 camper truck. I also carry a pair of Bottle jacks & stands, it is a big truck. :)
Great video. Very informative.
I 've been watching your vids recently, great stuff. Highly appreciated.
Here is one more way to lift a vehicle provided that the vechile has a winch. It is in Arabic, however you would be able to get the point and the working mechanism.
Great tip on using a bottle jack to drive out of an obstacle! 👍
Great informative video - Thanks a lot !!!
It is best to have all of these various Jacks for each situation that might occur. Like have a Bottle jack{s} and then also have on hand an Exhaust or Pillow Air lift jack and then lastly the Farm Jack or High Lift jack can get you out of pretty much any situation that you might Encounter out in the back country.....but as Ronny has mentioned you will also need a Good sturdy Base Plate, as well as I have made an extension handle for my bottle jack so I wont have to be so close to the thing and possibly be underneath the vehicle hen using and lifting with the bottle jack. An extended handle really come sin handy. And also a Shovel or spade to help you dig out to be able to even use one of these jacks. and lastly a Good thick TARP. You will be laying on the ground in pretty much any situation where you will need a jack. A Tarp to lay on will come in handy Big Time !!!!
When I was a tour guide in the Top End and Kimberley we were constantly having issues with the supplied hydraulic jacks. The mechanics suggested that I always throw in my factory Toyota bottle jack as they are mechanical and cannot have any issues compared to the hydraulic jobs. Food for thought. Lighter to boot.
Great episode, as always
THANK YOU FOR YOUR DETAIL VIDEO
For me it's a Bottle jack, thanks Ronny for this very nice video.
I have new 2023 Bronco, I have a bottle jack, and a Hi-Lift Extreme. I have used both at the same time. The Hi Lift to get a little extra height for my Bottle jack, I put it on my MaxTrax as a base, and slid it under the axel so I didn’t have to get under the vehicle.
Having been a volunteer FF, I can tell you that the exhaust jack was born from the similar idea of what we use to stabilize a car/truck in an accident, so that we can get patients extricated from the vehicle safely. However, our lift bags use compressed air, with a switch box held at a distance from the lift bags. The bags we use are kevlar coated steel upper and lower plates, which flatten out to a square footprint. These bags are designed to lift anything from a tiny car, up to large farming equipment, depending on the size and rating of the bag we use. We also use cribbing blocks, but the main stability comes from the lift bags. We highly trust them, considering they are used to keep us safe, as well as the patient we are trying to help. The exhaust jack was created with a similar idea, but cheaply executed design. If you have access to compressed air, a reliable lift bag with controller will cost less than that ARB paperweight you have there.
Do you know the manufacturer's name of the bags you describe?
@@klokstop Paratech is the big one. The system runs off the compressed air bottles that firefighters use to breathe from so it might take some doing to set the system up to work off a normal vehicle air compressor. Unless you have a tank attached that reaches 4500 psi that is :)
@@dirtpro06 I would think that those that have a Powertank CO2 setup, like I do, could use that to inflate the bags easily.
I’ve used an exhaust Jack on wet slimy. Mud and found as it inflated the base was slipping out, but mechanically it was a piece of cake to use. Gave it to my brother when I sold my Nissan Terrano, I’ve now got a Jeep XJ, so going to get it back off him & the recovery straps that were packaged with it.
Replayed the intro 3 times... I though I saw the light explode... then apple.
I always keep a bottle jack, in my last vehicle I kept the factory scissor jack mostly for a jack stand, but I always take my old farm jack when I go off road
If I had to choose just one, gotta be High-Lift. Hands down. Most versatile. The wheel-lift adapter plus jack stand solves the suspension droop issue. Add a bag of goodies to winch with it and stuff. Yeah, there are dangers, but a bit of training and technique can mitigate them.
Once that kit is sorted, I'd add bottle jack(s) or a bottle and scissor for all the reasons you stated.
Bloody awesome video I've 4x4 in the past but never used exhaust or high lift Jack and now setting up a 80 series and thinking what to put in it.
MY hi-lift saved the day as a replacement tie/Trackbar. on the trail when my Heim joint broke drove over 100miles on it no problems.
The problem with 2 bottle jacks is that you have to go under the “jacked” vehicle to set the second jack
Greatest vid on jacks!
Grew up with "Highlift" jack's. They were OE on cars and trucks up until the late 70's (that's what those little vertical cuts in old bumpers are for).
Awesome video, thanks!!
Great video Ronny
pros and cons would also be cost the arb jack wold be a lot more expensive then a normal high lift or bottle jack
I always carry two a good bottle jack for anything involving taking a wheel off and a high lift for track building etc.
Thanks for the video
I purchased the car tyre valve adapter for my exhaust jack, takes longer to inflate but I had the same problem with a twin exhaust, unless you have an extra person to help block one exhaust side ( only works to bulk fill the bag )👍
Tons of information .. Cheers
I love the versatility of the hi lift and if I had to carry one that would be the one. however I much prefer to carry a bottle jack also and use it whenever possible because of safety.
I do mostly solo vehicle trips
I spray paint my high lift jack mechanism and the bar with a graphite dry film lubricant which keeps it working with consistent pin engagement and indexing. It is the key to living with one of these rather ominous devices!
Excelent video, thanks
Great! Just what I needed.
Cool vid, I got a high lift on my utv in Hedland.. I use a strap attachment you can find on line that lifts from the wheel or other parts of the chassis that aren’t normally designed for lifting… normally stuck on the salt flats after high tides… 👍👍 defiantly heavy to carry though, gotta setup the rig to cart everything round to make sure you get home eventually 😂
Gotta add a bottle jack to by shopping list, I haven't ever really considered factors like these. Cheers Ronny
I carry with me a 48" hi-lift and 2 6 ton bottle jacks. extended base plates for all 3 and height extensions for the bottle jacks.
We have floor jacks here in the U.S that are the best of all three. High capacity, naturally large surface area, safety of hydraulics. The most popular ones are the aluminum 3 tons from Harbor Freight, which people add large wheels/or replace the wheels with a giant skid plate. They are by far the best out for all around use.
Farm Jack (mine is a Jackall from Canada, but the original HiLift brand jack can do the same thing), you showed the jack handle flying up and smashing an apple, nice demo, but over here in the UK, we've found that these jacks have a tendency to 'hydraulic' if someone lets go the handle when lowering the vehicle, i.e. they don't stop with one lift of the handle, but the weight of the vehicle (I have one in my Land Rover Defender 90!) keeps them cranking and at an increasing speed, like the 'rocket lift' on modern trolley jacks in reverse!! And that can be bloody scary!!
Over here the reason they are so popular is that Land Rover supplied a HiLifting jack as standard for all the Defender models until around 2007 when they moved on to the Ford sourced Tdci engine and moved to the hydraulic bottle jack as used in the Discovery! Luckily, or not, adapters are available to allow the HiLift and Jackall to lift a Defender using the factory tubular lifting points on each side, both front and rear. I however fitted a pair of early Southdown Rocksliders to my 90 and found that using the adapters fitted to them was extremely awkward due to the vehicle angle constantly leaning away from the level ground of the base plate; also a side lift far increasing the probability of the motor tipping off the jack, forwards or backwards!
For the last reason above, wheel chocks, TWO of them became virtually mandatory to prevent the motor rotating off the jack! My Td5 Discovery comes with 2 reasonably small ones, but the Defender had none as standard!! For that reason, I now carry a pair of large plastic Lorry chocks, which can be used to chock the wheels when winching, as a secondary benefit!
Your videos are great, despite the fact that we here in Scotland do not have much access to sand, and what sand there is tends to be pretty wet due to our climate of all 4 seasons in a couple of hours!! Keep the videos coming, as a professional 4x4 Trainer, I can say that they are well researched and structured and are both visually and verbally articulate (and you get to do them in much better weather than we get!)!
Very nice info
Holmatro air jacks not metioned combine the joy of bottle jack safety (when sundry valves are used) with exhaust jack footprint on muddy or sandy ground. no pitfalls other than price $$$ (two or more sandwiched to provide height required) stores almost flat 25-50mm. ideal for 4x4. - i'm not affiliated with holmatro. just a really good product. used for under axle jacking and other things. surprised it isn't mainsteam yet... probably price tag...
hit them up for a couple of demo or media priced units Ronny to show the peeps. make sure you get enough to provide sufficient lift.
top channel keep up the good work and remain non biased and viewer focused. its a winning formula.
regards
Hi-Lift jack for me; I'm always thinking of the stability of the system when the truck is in the air, and while operating the lever. For me, it feels a lot more safe than a bottle jack because you can jump out of the way if you are standing next to a Hi-Lift, but you are stuck if you are laying under your truck trying to jack it up a little more with a bottle jack.
i dont love the scissor jacks but I keep an impact gun in my truck (battery powered power tool) so I put a bolt in the side so I use the impact to lift it. I just do it on the slow setting works pretty good for me. Not as fast but the bottle jack is probably the best IMO.
im convinced on bottle jacks!!
Ronny!!!!...... I bought a jack last year that I love!! It’s a bottle jack and a jack stand in one.....and it has a plate on the bottom. It’s a Powerbuilt all in one I paid $32 for it on Amazon and it’s pretty awesome. I have a Ram 1500 on 34” tires and a 3” lift and it has no trouble getting my truck off the ground. Definitely better than the stock jack, and much safer with the built in jack stand.
OUTSTANDING AWESOME
Bottle jacks are available in a double ram (a.k.a. 2 stage) design where the piston portion lifts almost twice as much as a standard bottle jack.
Lifts twice as much weight or Lifts twice as high? I always thought they just had a longer stroke.
@@ronfox5519 They lift almost twice as high.
@@davidgates1122 thanks for the response . The 2 stage is a useful option that I had forgot about. I'm going to look for a stubby one while I'm at it.
I agree with you. The highlift Jack is dangerous and the bottle jack is the best and very versatile.
On my own with the help of a bottle jack, I moved big logs.