To be fair, the thing is a few syllables off a popular cooking sauce, and I'd rather not get into the verbal spaghetti that results. I doubt Jingles wants to get into the weeds on that one either.
Actually Jingles the Deutschland was renamed to the Lützow in 1940. She was bombed and sunk by the RAF, raised by the Soviets in 1947 and sunk as target practice. So the headline would've been "Germany bombed, sunk raised by the Russians, only to be sunk again." (This is the edited version, thank you all who replied who corrected me, mixed up Lützow and Admiral Scheer, whoops...)
Sorry dude - but wrong. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Deutschland - Lutzow (ex Deutschland) was sunk by the Russians in the Baltic in 1947 after being used as a gunnery target.
And another ACTUALLY JINGLES! the Lutzow was sunk using 12,000 grand-slam bombs and one which missed failed to detonate. it was found a few years back and the German Bomb disposal had the pleasure of blowing it up. It's available to watch on u-tube.
@@lunsmann actually he's correct, after the RAF sank her she was used as a stationary gun battery to the end of the war, then raised by the Russians and sunk again as a gunnery target.
the captain of the Graf Spee is a legend, a tragic legend. he ordered the scuttling, returned to monte video, signalled his actoins to hitler who had wanted him to run his ship and escape, lay down on the german flag and ended himself rather than live with the shame. he earned so much respect that the captains of the two british warships and the english ambassador came to his funeral to pay their respects. he had ignored hitlers orders and had put his men lives before the country, making sure they got of the ship safetly and ferried by ship to safe harbors. in effect he refused to make a suicide run just for hitlers propaganda.
To be fair there was genuine thought put in by Captain Langsdorff and his officers to possibly make a running retreat to a more friendly port if they were only to face Harwood’s Cruiser force which were waiting outside for them. They thought it possible given the enemy’s own damage that the Spee could at least either out run or loose the cruisers if they left under the cover of night. Yet given the false flag reports that both HMS Renown and Ark Royal were rapidly approaching alongside Langsorff not being given the necessary time to properly repair his ship to make it sea worthy in concordance to article 14 of the Hague Convention (“A belligerent war-ship may not prolong its stay in a neutral port beyond the permissible time except on account of damage.") he was running out of options. It didn’t help him either that both the British representatives and the Uruguayan government were also pushing articles 12 (“A belligerent war-ships are not permitted to remain in the ports, roadsteads or territorial waters of the said Power for more than twenty-four hours.") and 16 (“A belligerent war-ship may not leave a neutral port or roadstead until twenty-four hours after the departure of a merchant ship flying the flag of its adversary.") that Langsorff had vertically no other options left besides either one final battle he believed he had no chance of winning or to scuttle his ship. And of course, he chose the latter; saving his crew.
He actually wasn't capable of making a run for it the ship was too damaged to make it back to Germany. Her oil purification plant, which was required to prepare the diesel fuel for the engines, was destroyed and her desalination plant and galley were also destroyed, which would have meant no fresh water could have been made (for engines or crew) and her galley was destroyed (so difficult to make hot food for a whole crew) A hit in the bow would also have negatively affected her seaworthiness in the heavy seas of the North Atlantic during winter. She couldn't be repaired in Montivideo due to the time restrictions. Actually this was an error by Langsdorf - if he had gone to the nearby port in Argentina rthar than Montivideo he would have received a much more pro-german welcome and the British would have had much less cooperation from the local authorities. It's quite likely he would actually have been defeated if he had put to sea too - Cumberland Ajax and Achilles would have been unlikely to do it alone (although Graf Spree only had ammunition for 20 minutes firing) but they could have shaddowed her and enabled Force H (Ark Royal, Renown etc.) to have intercepted her on the way back to Germany, not guaranteed but likely. This actually validated the RN's build strategy pre war of building lots of relatively light curisers (to stay within treaty limits) that could do some damage to surface raiders but also mainly just shadow them and call in heavier units. The problem with the "surface raider" concept is that you don't need to do much damage to a warship to make it incapable of long ocean voyages so it needs to be able to runaway from anything that it encounters, Langsdorff could actually have atempted to do this but the curisers were so aggressive when they encountered him that he believed they were deliberately trying to drive him into a larger force and so was trying to fight through them to escape the other side - this belief only being reinforced by the british intellignece campaign to convince him there were larger ships waiting for him outside the River Plate as well as the false signals Ajax and Achilles made smoke whilst sailing just over the horizon so it could be seen from ashore.
I was coming here to post that quote and am glad someone beat me to it. Even when the French use a pre-existing cartridge, the 5.56mm, they did so in a way where their rifle can only reliably feed French made ammunition as seen in the Famas. Because they wanted to support their own arms industry and also because they're French!
Except that's not really true. The French are willing to copy ideas from other people. And other people have copied good ideas from the French. After all a good idea is a good idea, no matter where it comes from. The french used/copied the Berdan primer and adopted the metallic cartridge concepts developed in the US and Britain for the the 11mm Gras 1874 rifle. And everyone copied the French when they introduced smokeless powder for the 8mm Lebel in 1886. Its more a matter of not every one agrees with the French about what constitutes a good idea.
Dear Jingles, someone who pronounces Worcestershire the way you and your compatriots pronounce it has no business telling the French how to pronounce Dunkerque. Sincerely, a Dane (from the country of the illustrious city of Middelfart).
The French also pioneered helicopter warfare. Helicopters were used to a limited extent in Korea, but the French recognized their value quite quickly in the late 1950s after Indochina as gunships and transports to quickly drop troops into key terrain. They were using US helicopters like the H-34 and the H-21.
I do like the film rendition of the Battle of the River plate ( except for the Graf Spee ....... ). The best bit, IMHO, is set up nicely before the battle starts when Commodore Harwood asks Captain Bell ( HMS Exeter ) for a list of spare parts he needs during the meeting of captains on board the HMS Ajax. After the battle , when the Exeter has no guns left, no Bridge, is on fire/smoking and virtually sinking - Harwood sends the signal "Can you make the Falklands ?" to the Exeter. The reply is very British. "Can make Portsmouth is ordered to" and then "Request permission to revise list of spares" LMAO
Just start replacing HMS with MN in front of British ship's names, like say MN Dreadaughte. Bonus points if you can turn the name into a joke name like MN Fifi Le Fume, MN Dickherass, MN Repulsive, or MN Hoerion. After all, turnabout is fair play. 😉
@@jonathanflugge3557 Marine National. Basically means it is a French navy ship. HMS Repulse becomes MN Repulsive. HMS Fiji becomes MN Fifi Le Fume. HMS Icarus becomes MN Dickherass. Etc... Because Jingles loves the French navy so very much...
Actually Jingles, at 9:00 that cartridge was in fact the 7.62x39 (not the 7.62x54R, which was the full battle rifle cartridge used in the Mosin Nagant), used by the famous AK-47 and AK-M, inspired by the German Stg 44 (also called MP-43 and '44).
Also, NATO was told to use the 7.62x51 or .308 Winchester, used for big game here in the States. Only fires 100 feet per second slower than a 30-06 but uses a short action instead of a long action so its a bit faster to reload in a bolt action rifle.
Inspired? Nah... H. Scmeisser was taken by the soviets (including the entire family of his) in their version of Op. Paperclip, then in the USSR worked with Kalashnikov. It was the americans who basically copied that rifle. Look at the insides of the M4/M16 and then do the same with a StG 44. Also AK is longstroke gas operated, while both the M4 and StG is short stroke gas operated.
@@FazekasPK Except the M4 is actually using a direct gas impingement system. Only some variants like the HK416 use a short-strike gas piston and that was a clone of the version on the American AR-18. The M16 actually was based on the AR-10 and M1941 Johnson rifles.
Actually Jingles, you were nearly right. One ship of the Deutschland Class was named Deutschland and renamed in 1940, but she was named Lützow and not the Graf Spee. While the Graf Spee is the most famous of the 3 ships, the Deutschland/Lützow was the leadship. Trying to deny allied press teh propagande by sinkinf Deutschland there was also another reason for naming her Lützow. The original Lützow was a cruiser of the Hipper class, who was sold unfinished to the Sovietunion. Admirality hoped to disguise the sale by having a Lützow still on their navy roster.
when trashtalking the frensh, i always think of sir Rowan Atkinsons liveshow where he is the devil(Toby) and introducing new guests to hell..murderers,layers,fornitacors and the frensh
The Deutschland Class were called "pocket battleships" by the british press but they weren't battleships - basically just overgunned heavy crusiers with large guns on a 10,000 ton cruiser hull. They were germany's early atempt to get around the treaty restrictions that had been put on them after ww1
Yeah, Jingles is tired of trying to classify pocket battleships and large cruisers and the Dunkerque class, plus he knows that folks like you get wound up when he gets it wrong
Wich the Yoshino player so ample proved. Why are they all so obsessed with their torps, that you always spot long before they reach your ship, when it has somewhat decent guns.
@@Harte74 - Lutzow is correct on a USA qwerty keyboard. We don't have an umlaut on hand to insert in the proper place. My user name should have an umlaut on the u, but doesn't for the same reason.
@@lunsmann usually in Germany when we don't have the possibility for Umlauts we use an e after the vowel, so Lützow becomes Luetzow, your username would be luensmann then
The Deutschland class was named after the large cruiser/pocket battleship that was named Deutschland, commissioned in the early 30s. Her name was changed to Lutzow in 1940 because of propaganda reasons
When they announced the French ships I was really hoping they would have put in the compartmentalised turrets so you technically got 4 turrets the way they were actually set up on the Dunkerque and Richelieu classes.
As mentioned elsewhere, it was the 7.62 x 39 cartridge that's the intermediate. 7.62 x 54R(immed) was from the 1890s I think? Used in the machine guns of the time, the Moisin Nagant rifle and still used today in the SVD. IIRC The other bit not mentioned was not only was the intermediate cartridge under consideration, it was the Enfield .280 and we were planning on using the EM2 chambered in it. The FAL was agreed upon as a common rifle as a compromise, then the 7.52 x 51 cartridge then the USA went with the M14 anyway before finding out it wasn't fit for purpose and going to the M16 in 5.56 instead. I may have misremembered some bits, hell I sometimes can't remember what I had to eat 3 hours ago!
The M14 was a rifle that was 20 years outdated the day it was adopted, too. Hardly a great showpiece for the performance of the cartridge, especially when it’s replacement(the early Armalite AR-15’s) was being developed and tested while it was still being phased into service.
1:31 The lead ship Deutschland was laid down in 1929 and christened in 1931 by German Chancellor Brüning, quite a bit before the Austrian PFC had any say in her naming. It was renamed to Lützow in 1940 because said Austrian PFC had the vapours or something. The whole class was proposed, designed and the first two ships, Detschland and the Admiral Scheer, where laid down and named before Jan 30 1933.
Because of Captain Langsdorff decision I am alive today, maybe the Graf Spee could have outrun the Brits and get away, but in the end they would have been sunk another time. The crew including my Grandfather owes him their lives.
Deutschland was built had an uneventful first voyage before returning to port and being renamed Lutzow and the class were redesignated as Heavy Cruisers from Panzerschiffe. Keep on being you Jingles, and by the way I love those Big City Little Kitty videos.
The 7.62 NATO standard thing is even funnier when you consider that 7.62 NATO is practically the same as 7.5 French cartridge, which the French developed alongside their own semi-auto battle rifle that had been in development since the interwar period. So the French (reasonably imo) stuck with their Mas 49 type rifle in 7.5Fr for the looongest time while everyone else went with 7.62 NATO... only the Americans insisted on not adopting the FN FAL and instead adopting the M14. Which was just a full auto detachable magazine Garand. Even though the Italians had already done a better version of that with the BM59. And the cherry on top was for the US to finally realize the M14 was poorly implemented and obsolete even before adoption... but only after a years-long temper tantrum by the Army ordnance department.
Post world war 2 Britain developed the EM2 .280 rifle that was going to be the standard NATO caliber, but the US killed it (Suspicously IMHO) by insisting on 7.62mm before discovering in Vietnam that that was too big. The EM2 looks very much like the SA80 that later arrived (but probably better built!) it survives today as the rifle held by the british green plastic soldiers as it was due to be adopted when they were developed.
@@tomriley5790 Yep. And that would have been fine. 7mm-ish bullets are objectively better than .30s in almost every way. They wanted to make the Garand in 276 Pederson back when it was being adopted in the early 30s but MacArthur overruled it purely for logistics reasons. Choosing to stick with a .30 when you're designing a new cartridge anyways made no sense.
There’s a letter from General Willard Wyman, commander of US continental army command, to General Maxwell Taylor, army chief of staff at the time, specifically telling him not to overcommit to the M14, because they were just about to start testing the SCHV competitors(the AR-15 and a really bad Winchester prototype) for evaluation for the infantry board, and Wyman was certain that they would outperform the M14. Taylor didn’t listen. Wyman was right, even the early AR-15’s were found to be superior in every category that mattered over the M14, and the Air Force had to spend months trying to convince Congress to let them adopt this cool new gun that General LeMay liked so much he ordered 80 thousand without even asking for DOD approval.
For all your 'I've never seen anybody get ten kills in a match before', I still recall at least two videos where someone does, because I remember it bringing up the thought that you absoltuely deserve to earn two Kraken Unleashed medals, but it doesn't give you them.
The AK-47 was/is chambered in 7.62x39, not 7.62x54. the bigger 54r cartridge is the iconic artillery round from Mosin-Nagant fame. The NATO round is 7.62x51 (.308 Remmington).
Don't forget the submarines get a higher multiplier for EXP if memory serves. meaning, They have to work significantly less to get huge exp gains compared to surface ships. Well done WG. fair and balanced indeed. /s
Well actually Jingles (finally I get to say it!), you posted a video a couple years ago of a Massachusetts with 10kills. I think (not 100% sure) the title was "Show Off?" - - or something like it.
Jingles, with the legendary upgrade the Republique's main battery guns have a reload of just 20 seconds (at the cost of some range). This has caused Stats to call the ship his favorite "cruiser killer"
Looking at the gameplay, to be honest, if the enemy didn't show constant broadsides and he didn't do as much dmg his team could have called him out for being a BB camping in no mans land. Well, even with his damage they could do it honestly. Don't think it was winable overall but you could have used your armor and HP early on for the team. He was basically on full HP with no allied ships left - which tells you alot about the team and his positioning
As all of it's team is ripped appart in less than 8 min, that's not him camping but his teamates throwing their ships away in crossfires or being shot at by multiple ships at the same time. Being in the 6/7 lane all the game is not camping and he got a perfect line to cover middle and provide crossfire on the other side of the map.
Oh damn I didn't know Roasted France was on the menu today we are feasting today! I know, Jingles poking the french every time he has a chance to is a tale as old as time, but it will never not be funny 😂
"You can't sink us because we sank ourselves." made me think of the pirates in Asterix. At one point they scuttled their own ship simply at the sight of the Gauls on an approaching vessel. The Japanese named their biggest ship Yamato which is the name of the clan/kingdom that formed Japan around 300 AD or so. Might be one of the reasons why she was also known as "Hotel Yamato" as she spent much of her service life in harbour. Also it has 18.1" guns. Drachinifel has some good videos on French battleships. Or "floating hotels".
7.62x54? That's.... I think you mean the 7.62x39 for the AK 47. Not a rimmed cartridge either. 54R cartridge went back to the Mosin as well. Dragunov, SKS was still in the 54R round. From memory. May have it wrong. Yes, I know, someone cue the shotgun sound.
9:05 I'm assuming you meant 270, not 223. And it gets better. After adopting 5.56 and finding it lacking, the US developed the 6.8spc, which is essentially .270 British that they wanted in the first place.
I am a simple man - I see a Jingles WoWs video, I click play and I click like, one right after the other... No piont in waiting after the video, I know it will be good. 🥰
See this is why I think the japanese naming their superbattleship Yamato was just the final nail in the coffin for that thing. You can never allow it to be sunk, and it now has a giant target painted on it for both practical, and propaganda reasons.
The false comms was only part of Admiral Langsdorff decision to scuttle his ship. He had 2 other problems, his ship fuel refining system was destroyed meaning he only only had about 15 hours fuel on board making impossible for him to escape, and secondly he had expended most of his main battery ammunition. Had the Germans come out to fight all the British need to have done was stay out of range (which the HMS Ajax and HMS Achilles were faster) and radio her position to other assets like the heavy cruiser HMS Cumberland that was on its way at full speed. By scuttling his ship Langsdorff spared his crews life.
Jingles needs to do a bit of fact checking lol the intermediate cartridge was 7.62x39...not 54r...also America adopted the .308/7.62x51...not the 30.06...post WW2 us army adopted the M14 in 7.62x51 because it was the NATO standard cartridge... In the 50's there were many calibre tests done that resulted in the 5.56/.223 cartridge in the M16
Jingles? Love you, man, but stick to naval information. 7.62x54 was the Russian Mosin Nagant cartridge comperable to the .30-06 and British .303 (7.62x51). AK used/uses the 7.62x39. Postwar, Britain was getting ready to adopt the .280 (7mmx43). US forced NATO into the .308, which the then ordnance dept considered intermediate, because it is, in fact shorter than it's older brother. At the time, 5.56 was considered okay for hunting jackrabbits, but not warfare. The rest of NATO did get even with us, though. When America told NATO they needed to go 5.56x45, the counter deal was that, sure, they'd go to the 5.56, but WE would have to get rid of our beloved .45acp and adopt the weedy 9mm.
You mean the side of the road EVERYONE used, EVEN the French, until Napoleon forced them all to drive the side HE wanted after they were conquered. You are the ones driving on the conquered side of the road. The unconquered (and free from that Corsican prirates influence) drive on the correct side of the road, the left. 🙂
Jingles, the US adopted the 7.62mm NATO cartridge in 1953 after WW2, forcing the UK to drop the 7mm Enfield (.280 caliber). It was an intermediate cartridge based off the .30 Savage cartridge. The AK-47 fires the rimless 7.62x39mm M43 Soviet cartridge, not the rimmed 7.62x54mm M91 Russian rifle cartridge. The 5.56mm NATO wasn't popular with the US Army Ordnance Department, who tried to scuttle its adoption. The M16 was assigned to the US Air Force and Army light infantry units and was the standard service rifle in Vietnam beginning in 1965. US forces in Europe and the continental United States used the M14 until 1970. NATO didn't consider adopting it until the mid-1970s, leading to the heavier FN SS109 SAP cartridge. Most European nations adopted 5.56mm rifles rather late. Britain rechambered the Enfield SA80 for it.
5.56 NATO spec didn’t exist until the 70’s, wasn’t finalized until 1980, and wasn’t adopted by the US military until 1982. The US Army never used the M16 in any decent number, in 1964 they initially purchased 85 thousand Colt AR-15 model 603’s, initially designated as XM16E1, and adopted as the M16A1 in February of 1967. Two contemporary rifles, one created because the army wanted a way to close the bolt manually if the rifle wasn’t properly in battery.
The "Panzerschift" Deuchland was renamed Lützow. She was a sister ship of the other two in the class, the Admiral Scheer and the Admiral Graff Spee. The last one ended his days in South América, like the man for who was named, the commander of a squadron of the "Hochseeflotte" (High Seas Fleet) of the "Kaiserliche Marine" (Imperial German Navy) in the Great War.
Deutschland, Graf Spee and Admiral Scheer were the three ships as launched. Deutchland was renamed Lutzow in 1940 after almost 10 years as Deutschland.
Actually Jingles, i'm here to enjoy you smashing great English humour and the English accent 😅😅 you put a smile on my face every single time a watch you're video's. The french BB are a handful but I love there gameplay. Difficult to master, awarding in killing 😂 if RnD doesn't kill it 😅😅
For anyone why the reload was so short while not having the usual 26km reach: this crazy man uses the legendary module available for 19200 research points that gives you 12% less reload time with the downside of-18% main battery reach
Jingles just remember that the champagne is the only other french battleship at tier 8 with 406 mm guns and they out preform many other 406s mounted on other ships
Mangling French names like England has everything nice and simple. Worcester, Leicester or Gloucester slipped your mind? I hope you at least remember High Wycombe? Dunquerque is nowhere near their level of ridiculousness. If you don't remember, then make peace with your dementia. ;-)
Jingles, I just had a similar experience in my U.S.S. Gato: over 220,000 damage, 4 kills, earned over 100,000 credits, and just over 3,000 base XP on a loss. I just couldn’t carry the rest of my team.
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I still love it how Jingles pokes fun at the Dunker-que's spelling, but totally won't admit the same for the name "Worcester"
To be fair, the thing is a few syllables off a popular cooking sauce, and I'd rather not get into the verbal spaghetti that results. I doubt Jingles wants to get into the weeds on that one either.
What's to admit?
@@petermgruhn It looks like it should be pronounced "Were-Sess-Ter" when it's actually pronounced "Woo-Ster."
@@Myomer104 Or, in the lands east of the Connecticut River, Wuh-Stah.
Actually Jingles the Deutschland was renamed to the Lützow in 1940. She was bombed and sunk by the RAF, raised by the Soviets in 1947 and sunk as target practice. So the headline would've been "Germany bombed, sunk raised by the Russians, only to be sunk again."
(This is the edited version, thank you all who replied who corrected me, mixed up Lützow and Admiral Scheer, whoops...)
There was also another hipper class named lutsow. She was never finished and sold to the ussr, she was renamed Tallin but never finished
Sorry dude - but wrong. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Deutschland - Lutzow (ex Deutschland) was sunk by the Russians in the Baltic in 1947 after being used as a gunnery target.
ps. It was her sistership Admiral Scheer that was buried. ;-) 😇
And another ACTUALLY JINGLES! the Lutzow was sunk using 12,000 grand-slam bombs and one which missed failed to detonate. it was found a few years back and the German Bomb disposal had the pleasure of blowing it up. It's available to watch on u-tube.
@@lunsmann actually he's correct, after the RAF sank her she was used as a stationary gun battery to the end of the war, then raised by the Russians and sunk again as a gunnery target.
the captain of the Graf Spee is a legend, a tragic legend. he ordered the scuttling, returned to monte video, signalled his actoins to hitler who had wanted him to run his ship and escape, lay down on the german flag and ended himself rather than live with the shame. he earned so much respect that the captains of the two british warships and the english ambassador came to his funeral to pay their respects. he had ignored hitlers orders and had put his men lives before the country, making sure they got of the ship safetly and ferried by ship to safe harbors. in effect he refused to make a suicide run just for hitlers propaganda.
To be fair there was genuine thought put in by Captain Langsdorff and his officers to possibly make a running retreat to a more friendly port if they were only to face Harwood’s Cruiser force which were waiting outside for them.
They thought it possible given the enemy’s own damage that the Spee could at least either out run or loose the cruisers if they left under the cover of night. Yet given the false flag reports that both HMS Renown and Ark Royal were rapidly approaching alongside Langsorff not being given the necessary time to properly repair his ship to make it sea worthy in concordance to article 14 of the Hague Convention (“A belligerent war-ship may not prolong its stay in a neutral port beyond the permissible time except on account of damage.") he was running out of options. It didn’t help him either that both the British representatives and the Uruguayan government were also pushing articles 12 (“A belligerent war-ships are not permitted to remain in the ports, roadsteads or territorial waters of the said Power for more than twenty-four hours.") and 16 (“A belligerent war-ship may not leave a neutral port or roadstead until twenty-four hours after the departure of a merchant ship flying the flag of its adversary.") that Langsorff had vertically no other options left besides either one final battle he believed he had no chance of winning or to scuttle his ship.
And of course, he chose the latter; saving his crew.
He actually wasn't capable of making a run for it the ship was too damaged to make it back to Germany. Her oil purification plant, which was required to prepare the diesel fuel for the engines, was destroyed and her desalination plant and galley were also destroyed, which would have meant no fresh water could have been made (for engines or crew) and her galley was destroyed (so difficult to make hot food for a whole crew) A hit in the bow would also have negatively affected her seaworthiness in the heavy seas of the North Atlantic during winter. She couldn't be repaired in Montivideo due to the time restrictions. Actually this was an error by Langsdorf - if he had gone to the nearby port in Argentina rthar than Montivideo he would have received a much more pro-german welcome and the British would have had much less cooperation from the local authorities. It's quite likely he would actually have been defeated if he had put to sea too - Cumberland Ajax and Achilles would have been unlikely to do it alone (although Graf Spree only had ammunition for 20 minutes firing) but they could have shaddowed her and enabled Force H (Ark Royal, Renown etc.) to have intercepted her on the way back to Germany, not guaranteed but likely. This actually validated the RN's build strategy pre war of building lots of relatively light curisers (to stay within treaty limits) that could do some damage to surface raiders but also mainly just shadow them and call in heavier units. The problem with the "surface raider" concept is that you don't need to do much damage to a warship to make it incapable of long ocean voyages so it needs to be able to runaway from anything that it encounters, Langsdorff could actually have atempted to do this but the curisers were so aggressive when they encountered him that he believed they were deliberately trying to drive him into a larger force and so was trying to fight through them to escape the other side - this belief only being reinforced by the british intellignece campaign to convince him there were larger ships waiting for him outside the River Plate as well as the false signals Ajax and Achilles made smoke whilst sailing just over the horizon so it could be seen from ashore.
@@liamc9998 a true captain.
There were surprisngly few casualties on boths sides during his voyage as well.
And i i remember correctly he strictly abbided by prizerules. Noone was killed during his merchand raiding campaign.
As Ian on Forgotten Weapons said, "the French copy nobody, and nobody copies the french" 👍🏻
A good display of that is French inter-war bomber design.
I was coming here to post that quote and am glad someone beat me to it. Even when the French use a pre-existing cartridge, the 5.56mm, they did so in a way where their rifle can only reliably feed French made ammunition as seen in the Famas. Because they wanted to support their own arms industry and also because they're French!
Gotta love gun Jesus 😂
Except that's not really true. The French are willing to copy ideas from other people. And other people have copied good ideas from the French. After all a good idea is a good idea, no matter where it comes from. The french used/copied the Berdan primer and adopted the metallic cartridge concepts developed in the US and Britain for the the 11mm Gras 1874 rifle. And everyone copied the French when they introduced smokeless powder for the 8mm Lebel in 1886. Its more a matter of not every one agrees with the French about what constitutes a good idea.
Sounds like something a self- imagined 17yo edgelord without any relevant knowledge in military or history of technology would claim
That is some of the best positioning I've ever seen a BB do in such conditions. Kudos to Rex.
Yes! The positioning! Underrated comment!
Dear Jingles, someone who pronounces Worcestershire the way you and your compatriots pronounce it has no business telling the French how to pronounce Dunkerque. Sincerely, a Dane (from the country of the illustrious city of Middelfart).
Actually, Dunkerque is a Flemish name: the church of the dunes.
I was about to type the same thing, haha. And I'm French :p
Tushie ... Or touché
My sides are currently in orbit LMFAO
Isn't that pronounced as wash your sister?
The French also pioneered helicopter warfare. Helicopters were used to a limited extent in Korea, but the French recognized their value quite quickly in the late 1950s after Indochina as gunships and transports to quickly drop troops into key terrain. They were using US helicopters like the H-34 and the H-21.
I do like the film rendition of the Battle of the River plate ( except for the Graf Spee ....... ). The best bit, IMHO, is set up nicely before the battle starts when Commodore Harwood asks Captain Bell ( HMS Exeter ) for a list of spare parts he needs during the meeting of captains on board the HMS Ajax.
After the battle , when the Exeter has no guns left, no Bridge, is on fire/smoking and virtually sinking - Harwood sends the signal "Can you make the Falklands ?" to the Exeter.
The reply is very British.
"Can make Portsmouth is ordered to"
and then
"Request permission to revise list of spares"
LMAO
"HMS IOWA"????? Angry freedom noises*
Just start replacing HMS with MN in front of British ship's names, like say MN Dreadaughte. Bonus points if you can turn the name into a joke name like MN Fifi Le Fume, MN Dickherass, MN Repulsive, or MN Hoerion. After all, turnabout is fair play. 😉
Ssssh! Nobody tell the old man they lost!
@@jkirschyMN?
@@jonathanflugge3557 Marine National. Basically means it is a French navy ship. HMS Repulse becomes MN Repulsive. HMS Fiji becomes MN Fifi Le Fume. HMS Icarus becomes MN Dickherass. Etc... Because Jingles loves the French navy so very much...
@@jkirschy 👍 gotya.
Actually Jingles, at 9:00 that cartridge was in fact the 7.62x39 (not the 7.62x54R, which was the full battle rifle cartridge used in the Mosin Nagant), used by the famous AK-47 and AK-M, inspired by the German Stg 44 (also called MP-43 and '44).
Also, NATO was told to use the 7.62x51 or .308 Winchester, used for big game here in the States.
Only fires 100 feet per second slower than a 30-06 but uses a short action instead of a long action so its a bit faster to reload in a bolt action rifle.
The AK family is more based on American M1 Garand using the same action.
Inspired? Nah... H. Scmeisser was taken by the soviets (including the entire family of his) in their version of Op. Paperclip, then in the USSR worked with Kalashnikov.
It was the americans who basically copied that rifle. Look at the insides of the M4/M16 and then do the same with a StG 44.
Also AK is longstroke gas operated, while both the M4 and StG is short stroke gas operated.
@@FazekasPK Except the M4 is actually using a direct gas impingement system. Only some variants like the HK416 use a short-strike gas piston and that was a clone of the version on the American AR-18. The M16 actually was based on the AR-10 and M1941 Johnson rifles.
@@emberfist8347 LOL. Sure dude. The intermediate round, the detachable box magazine, even the general appearance, all Garand! 😂
Actually Jingles, you were nearly right.
One ship of the Deutschland Class was named Deutschland and renamed in 1940, but she was named Lützow and not the Graf Spee.
While the Graf Spee is the most famous of the 3 ships, the Deutschland/Lützow was the leadship.
Trying to deny allied press teh propagande by sinkinf Deutschland there was also another reason for naming her Lützow. The original Lützow was a cruiser of the Hipper class, who was sold unfinished to the Sovietunion. Admirality hoped to disguise the sale by having a Lützow still on their navy roster.
when trashtalking the frensh, i always think of sir Rowan Atkinsons liveshow where he is the devil(Toby) and introducing new guests to hell..murderers,layers,fornitacors and the frensh
There was a minor uproar when USS America was turned into an artificial reef from a sink ex.
Jingles decided to be a true Englishman today lampooning French and "their ways" back to back. Never a dull moment.
always fall back to your ignorance when unsure. It's the British way.
We should all take a moment to marvel at the sheer brilliance of the title. 😂😂
Yes indeed 👏👏👏👏👏
Lol. Jingles is being Jingles. Don't ever change bc we love ya ❤
9:00 ACTUALLY, Jingles, that would be the 7.62x39mm, not the 54mm rimmed that was in service with the Mosin-Nagant and the Maxim.
Yeah, you know, the intermediate cartridge, as opposed to the full size one. (Facepalms) 'These damn brainless gnomes.'
Also, the interesting intermediate cartridges the Europeans developed were .264 and .277, not .223.
@@wstavis3135.280 British was the original British tomfoolery with intermediates. It was bad but it was cool.
As a french guy, please keep talking french, it's funny !
(and stop driving on the wrong side of the road, rosbif!
As a french guy.... maybe you can explain why the French just voted for Le Pen's ultra right fascist party??
@thomasneal9291 they didn't in the end
But, Gnome Lord, Alsace *does* have a rear turret.....err, Jingles, put the shotgun down....
Isn't the Alsace Italian? Jingles pronounced it Alsachie.
@@charliedontsurf334 It should be pronounced Elsaß. :P
@@Schnittertm1 Wunderbar!
The Deutschland Class were called "pocket battleships" by the british press but they weren't battleships - basically just overgunned heavy crusiers with large guns on a 10,000 ton cruiser hull. They were germany's early atempt to get around the treaty restrictions that had been put on them after ww1
Yeah, Jingles is tired of trying to classify pocket battleships and large cruisers and the Dunkerque class, plus he knows that folks like you get wound up when he gets it wrong
Sadly, this video just represented 99% of the playerbase in 2024.
Wich the Yoshino player so ample proved. Why are they all so obsessed with their torps, that you always spot long before they reach your ship, when it has somewhat decent guns.
Your thinking panzershiff deutchland being renamed to lutzow after the battle of river plate
A classic Jingles moment :P
Lützow, not Lutzow
Deutschland, not Deutchland
@@Harte74 - Lutzow is correct on a USA qwerty keyboard. We don't have an umlaut on hand to insert in the proper place. My user name should have an umlaut on the u, but doesn't for the same reason.
@@Harte74 renamed "wreck" later....
@@lunsmann usually in Germany when we don't have the possibility for Umlauts we use an e after the vowel, so Lützow becomes Luetzow, your username would be luensmann then
With that title, I was expecting this video to feature at least one Brest.
Loving my alsace. On the grind
The Deutschland class was named after the large cruiser/pocket battleship that was named Deutschland, commissioned in the early 30s. Her name was changed to Lutzow in 1940 because of propaganda reasons
I had a round where I got 5 citadels and 63,000 damage in one volley with Georgia. Couldn't believe it.
When they announced the French ships I was really hoping they would have put in the compartmentalised turrets so you technically got 4 turrets the way they were actually set up on the Dunkerque and Richelieu classes.
As mentioned elsewhere, it was the 7.62 x 39 cartridge that's the intermediate. 7.62 x 54R(immed) was from the 1890s I think? Used in the machine guns of the time, the Moisin Nagant rifle and still used today in the SVD. IIRC The other bit not mentioned was not only was the intermediate cartridge under consideration, it was the Enfield .280 and we were planning on using the EM2 chambered in it. The FAL was agreed upon as a common rifle as a compromise, then the 7.52 x 51 cartridge then the USA went with the M14 anyway before finding out it wasn't fit for purpose and going to the M16 in 5.56 instead. I may have misremembered some bits, hell I sometimes can't remember what I had to eat 3 hours ago!
The M14 was a rifle that was 20 years outdated the day it was adopted, too. Hardly a great showpiece for the performance of the cartridge, especially when it’s replacement(the early Armalite AR-15’s) was being developed and tested while it was still being phased into service.
My Grandfather served on the Deutschland. I had a model kit of it which sadly got lost when I moved.
"Whatever mate. You help yourself". 😂😂
The ships of the class, Deutschland, Admiral Scheer, and Admiral Graf Spee, built between 1929 and 1932
1:31 The lead ship Deutschland was laid down in 1929 and christened in 1931 by German Chancellor Brüning, quite a bit before the Austrian PFC had any say in her naming. It was renamed to Lützow in 1940 because said Austrian PFC had the vapours or something. The whole class was proposed, designed and the first two ships, Detschland and the Admiral Scheer, where laid down and named before Jan 30 1933.
Because of Captain Langsdorff decision I am alive today, maybe the Graf Spee could have outrun the Brits and get away, but in the end they would have been sunk another time. The crew including my Grandfather owes him their lives.
"...i hope you all enjoyed watching him suffer." how delightully 'Jinglish'!
Well played and a showcase for the ship. Excellent effort.
Deutschland was built had an uneventful first voyage before returning to port and being renamed Lutzow and the class were redesignated as Heavy Cruisers from Panzerschiffe.
Keep on being you Jingles, and by the way I love those Big City Little Kitty videos.
KMS Deutschland was renamed to Lützow.
7.62x54r was used in the moist nugget, svd and pkm. What you mean is 7.62x39 that was used in the AK
Phenomenal game Rex, and amazing video as always Jingles!
The 7.62 NATO standard thing is even funnier when you consider that 7.62 NATO is practically the same as 7.5 French cartridge, which the French developed alongside their own semi-auto battle rifle that had been in development since the interwar period. So the French (reasonably imo) stuck with their Mas 49 type rifle in 7.5Fr for the looongest time while everyone else went with 7.62 NATO... only the Americans insisted on not adopting the FN FAL and instead adopting the M14. Which was just a full auto detachable magazine Garand. Even though the Italians had already done a better version of that with the BM59.
And the cherry on top was for the US to finally realize the M14 was poorly implemented and obsolete even before adoption... but only after a years-long temper tantrum by the Army ordnance department.
Post world war 2 Britain developed the EM2 .280 rifle that was going to be the standard NATO caliber, but the US killed it (Suspicously IMHO) by insisting on 7.62mm before discovering in Vietnam that that was too big. The EM2 looks very much like the SA80 that later arrived (but probably better built!) it survives today as the rifle held by the british green plastic soldiers as it was due to be adopted when they were developed.
@@tomriley5790 Yep. And that would have been fine. 7mm-ish bullets are objectively better than .30s in almost every way. They wanted to make the Garand in 276 Pederson back when it was being adopted in the early 30s but MacArthur overruled it purely for logistics reasons.
Choosing to stick with a .30 when you're designing a new cartridge anyways made no sense.
There’s a letter from General Willard Wyman, commander of US continental army command, to General Maxwell Taylor, army chief of staff at the time, specifically telling him not to overcommit to the M14, because they were just about to start testing the SCHV competitors(the AR-15 and a really bad Winchester prototype) for evaluation for the infantry board, and Wyman was certain that they would outperform the M14.
Taylor didn’t listen. Wyman was right, even the early AR-15’s were found to be superior in every category that mattered over the M14, and the Air Force had to spend months trying to convince Congress to let them adopt this cool new gun that General LeMay liked so much he ordered 80 thousand without even asking for DOD approval.
Love the history stuff jingles, its wonderful.
AK-47 fires a 7.62X39 round. The Moisen Nagant bolt action rifle uses the 7.62x54R cartridge.
For all your 'I've never seen anybody get ten kills in a match before', I still recall at least two videos where someone does, because I remember it bringing up the thought that you absoltuely deserve to earn two Kraken Unleashed medals, but it doesn't give you them.
I believe the saying is: "the French copy no one, and no one copy the French".
I was bored until my phone notified me of a Jingles WoW upload. Best day ever!
The AK-47 was/is chambered in 7.62x39, not 7.62x54. the bigger 54r cartridge is the iconic artillery round from Mosin-Nagant fame. The NATO round is 7.62x51 (.308 Remmington).
Don't forget the submarines get a higher multiplier for EXP if memory serves. meaning, They have to work significantly less to get huge exp gains compared to surface ships. Well done WG. fair and balanced indeed. /s
Funny match, mrjrex101 has a tendency to underlead his shots, but he smacked some nice juicy cruiser boardsides.
Nothing says it’s going to be a good day more than watching a jingles video on my daily commute 😁
Good morning Gnome Overlord. We eat freedom fries in this house, and freedom kiss.
The ricochet at 10:11 is pretty cool!
jangles got his history lesson wrong twice today...
He should concentrate on World of Warships ship details instead of constantly making himself a fool with "historylessons" and "language lessons".
Well actually Jingles (finally I get to say it!), you posted a video a couple years ago of a Massachusetts with 10kills. I think (not 100% sure) the title was "Show Off?" - - or something like it.
Clearly the French pronunciation would be "Honhonhon baguette".
The title made me laugh more than it should have! Thanks Jingles
Jingles taking any chance to take the piss out of the French is always fun to listen to lmao
Oh God. Jingles has noticed French nouns have gender, and he couldn't even say it without sniggering.
Dutch nouns have gender too, I guess we stole that from the French 😉
@@montro2220 Almost every European language has gendered nouns. English is the exception, not the norm.
hell of a great game way to go down swinging my dude!! made them earn it!
Hey there Aurorik! Good to see you here! You had a very good, if weird game that the gnome uberlord featured in his latest WoT replay video!
Jingles, with the legendary upgrade the Republique's main battery guns have a reload of just 20 seconds (at the cost of some range). This has caused Stats to call the ship his favorite "cruiser killer"
Looking at the gameplay, to be honest, if the enemy didn't show constant broadsides and he didn't do as much dmg his team could have called him out for being a BB camping in no mans land. Well, even with his damage they could do it honestly.
Don't think it was winable overall but you could have used your armor and HP early on for the team. He was basically on full HP with no allied ships left - which tells you alot about the team and his positioning
As all of it's team is ripped appart in less than 8 min, that's not him camping but his teamates throwing their ships away in crossfires or being shot at by multiple ships at the same time. Being in the 6/7 lane all the game is not camping and he got a perfect line to cover middle and provide crossfire on the other side of the map.
The 7.62x54mmR was for the Mosin-Nagant 1891 rifle. The AK was built around the 7.62x39mm cartridge.
Oh damn I didn't know Roasted France was on the menu today we are feasting today!
I know, Jingles poking the french every time he has a chance to is a tale as old as time, but it will never not be funny 😂
Back when I still played WoWS, I used to call the Neptune the 'Splodeboat, because every time I would see one, it would soon after 'splode.
This is a nice change from the Flambass videos.
Where, regardless of the team size differences, we all know who is going to win...
"You can't sink us because we sank ourselves." made me think of the pirates in Asterix. At one point they scuttled their own ship simply at the sight of the Gauls on an approaching vessel.
The Japanese named their biggest ship Yamato which is the name of the clan/kingdom that formed Japan around 300 AD or so. Might be one of the reasons why she was also known as "Hotel Yamato" as she spent much of her service life in harbour.
Also it has 18.1" guns.
Drachinifel has some good videos on French battleships. Or "floating hotels".
It was named after the ancient Yamato province.
7.62x54? That's.... I think you mean the 7.62x39 for the AK 47. Not a rimmed cartridge either. 54R cartridge went back to the Mosin as well.
Dragunov, SKS was still in the 54R round.
From memory. May have it wrong.
Yes, I know, someone cue the shotgun sound.
It was Lutzow, formerly the KMS Deutschland. But great story of Graf Spee, never change Jingles, we love you how you are!
Talking about french Dunkerque pronunciation
Rochester and Worcester
"The extremely common: dead Neptune." Yeah, grinding through that ship to the Minotaur was a chore.
It was the armoured ship "Deutschland" who was renamed "Lutzow", and reclassified as a heavy cruiser :)
9:05
I'm assuming you meant 270, not 223.
And it gets better. After adopting 5.56 and finding it lacking, the US developed the 6.8spc, which is essentially .270 British that they wanted in the first place.
Its kind of amazing how far ahead of its time that cartridge was, it just goes to show, 'what'd new is old come round again'.
Laughing in .276 Pederson
I am a simple man - I see a Jingles WoWs video, I click play and I click like, one right after the other...
No piont in waiting after the video, I know it will be good. 🥰
See this is why I think the japanese naming their superbattleship Yamato was just the final nail in the coffin for that thing. You can never allow it to be sunk, and it now has a giant target painted on it for both practical, and propaganda reasons.
I wonder if any navy ever tried to name a warship Expendable ? Justement to see the results.
@@giroromek8423 The USS Only-Gays-Sink-This-Boat
The final nail wasn't the Yamato, it was the cancellation of the USS United States
The false comms was only part of Admiral Langsdorff decision to scuttle his ship. He had 2 other problems, his ship fuel refining system was destroyed meaning he only only had about 15 hours fuel on board making impossible for him to escape, and secondly he had expended most of his main battery ammunition.
Had the Germans come out to fight all the British need to have done was stay out of range (which the HMS Ajax and HMS Achilles were faster) and radio her position to other assets like the heavy cruiser HMS Cumberland that was on its way at full speed. By scuttling his ship Langsdorff spared his crews life.
I love this Jingles guy hope he never changes... lol
Jingles needs to do a bit of fact checking lol the intermediate cartridge was 7.62x39...not 54r...also America adopted the .308/7.62x51...not the 30.06...post WW2 us army adopted the M14 in 7.62x51 because it was the NATO standard cartridge... In the 50's there were many calibre tests done that resulted in the 5.56/.223 cartridge in the M16
aw, he didn't say "French ship" in that way that sounds like "friendship" this time...
Jingles? Love you, man, but stick to naval information. 7.62x54 was the Russian Mosin Nagant cartridge comperable to the .30-06 and British .303 (7.62x51). AK used/uses the 7.62x39. Postwar, Britain was getting ready to adopt the .280 (7mmx43). US forced NATO into the .308, which the then ordnance dept considered intermediate, because it is, in fact shorter than it's older brother. At the time, 5.56 was considered okay for hunting jackrabbits, but not warfare.
The rest of NATO did get even with us, though. When America told NATO they needed to go 5.56x45, the counter deal was that, sure, they'd go to the 5.56, but WE would have to get rid of our beloved .45acp and adopt the weedy 9mm.
With a string of onions and a giant baguette? 😂
HMS Iowa? I knew the Royal Navy wants the Iowas…but you can’t have them yet.
"The French like to do things differently" says the people driving on the wrong side of the road.. 😅
You mean the side of the road EVERYONE used, EVEN the French, until Napoleon forced them all to drive the side HE wanted after they were conquered. You are the ones driving on the conquered side of the road. The unconquered (and free from that Corsican prirates influence) drive on the correct side of the road, the left. 🙂
Great video as always!
Jingles, the US adopted the 7.62mm NATO cartridge in 1953 after WW2, forcing the UK to drop the 7mm Enfield (.280 caliber). It was an intermediate cartridge based off the .30 Savage cartridge.
The AK-47 fires the rimless 7.62x39mm M43 Soviet cartridge, not the rimmed 7.62x54mm M91 Russian rifle cartridge.
The 5.56mm NATO wasn't popular with the US Army Ordnance Department, who tried to scuttle its adoption. The M16 was assigned to the US Air Force and Army light infantry units and was the standard service rifle in Vietnam beginning in 1965. US forces in Europe and the continental United States used the M14 until 1970. NATO didn't consider adopting it until the mid-1970s, leading to the heavier FN SS109 SAP cartridge. Most European nations adopted 5.56mm rifles rather late. Britain rechambered the Enfield SA80 for it.
5.56 NATO spec didn’t exist until the 70’s, wasn’t finalized until 1980, and wasn’t adopted by the US military until 1982.
The US Army never used the M16 in any decent number, in 1964 they initially purchased 85 thousand Colt AR-15 model 603’s, initially designated as XM16E1, and adopted as the M16A1 in February of 1967. Two contemporary rifles, one created because the army wanted a way to close the bolt manually if the rifle wasn’t properly in battery.
1:20, ah yes. the HMS iowa. best british battle ship to sail the world
History lesson with jingles! Yes!
4:13 - It is that oh so common version of the Neptune, the artificial reef Neptune....
The "Panzerschift" Deuchland was renamed Lützow. She was a sister ship of the other two in the class, the Admiral Scheer and the Admiral Graff Spee. The last one ended his days in South América, like the man for who was named, the commander of a squadron of the "Hochseeflotte" (High Seas Fleet) of the "Kaiserliche Marine" (Imperial German Navy) in the Great War.
Deutschland, Graf Spee and Admiral Scheer were the three ships as launched. Deutchland was renamed Lutzow in 1940 after almost 10 years as Deutschland.
Actually Jingles, i'm here to enjoy you smashing great English humour and the English accent 😅😅 you put a smile on my face every single time a watch you're video's.
The french BB are a handful but I love there gameplay. Difficult to master, awarding in killing 😂 if RnD doesn't kill it 😅😅
For anyone why the reload was so short while not having the usual 26km reach: this crazy man uses the legendary module available for 19200 research points that gives you 12% less reload time with the downside of-18% main battery reach
Finally, my own actually Jingles moment. The AK wasn’t 7.62x54. That was the Mosin and a handful of other weapons like PKM, but the AK was 7.62x39.
Jingles just remember that the champagne is the only other french battleship at tier 8 with 406 mm guns and they out preform many other 406s mounted on other ships
7.62x54 was the Mosin Nagant, which was the main battle rifle the Russians used in ww2. The AK47 is 7.62x39.
I didn't know the Republique's smoke stack could turn. cool.
Mangling French names like England has everything nice and simple. Worcester, Leicester or Gloucester slipped your mind? I hope you at least remember High Wycombe? Dunquerque is nowhere near their level of ridiculousness.
If you don't remember, then make peace with your dementia. ;-)
Last time I was this early, this channel was still called BohemianEagle 😅
Well done Rex that was a cracking game. gg.
1:02
That would be KMS Deutschland. She was renamed to KMS Lützow after the loss of KMS Graf Spee.
Jingles, I just had a similar experience in my U.S.S. Gato: over 220,000 damage, 4 kills, earned over 100,000 credits, and just over 3,000 base XP on a loss. I just couldn’t carry the rest of my team.
That Neptune ... "This ... is an EX-Neptune!"