Vessel 72-tooth Ratcheting Bit Driver: Maybe the best $27 ever spent. Choose your bit sets. Solid!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ม.ค. 2023
- amzn.to/3Wo7Y6j The Vessel 72-tooth Ratcheting Bit Driver might be the best $27 I've spent. With two full bit carousels, and rock-solid lockup when needed. Smaller handle than most, and tiny switch, but overall, a great design.
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Looked into JIS a few years back, turns out the standard had been dropped for some time, with a statement along the lines that modern manufacturing is good enough for PH bits to not need JIS any longer. There might still be places that make JIS specific driver though.
I've heard this for several years now, but the JIS screwdrivers I have from Hozan and Vessel are a dream to use on normal Phillips fasteners. The engagement is super tight and feels premium just like LBT's talk of slack (or lack there of) in the more expensive watchets. I'd be delighted of something like the Wiha he's mentioned has that kind of engagement, but I'm very doubtful.
I assembled two RC car kits from Tamiya (japanese company). My standard PH bits were not working so well. Bought a JIS Vessel screwdriver and it's really the only screwdriver I own that fits those screws like they were made for it. So the story that JIS specific screws are a thing of the past, I don't believe it.
Edit: Both kits have markings that they have been manufactured in 2022.
@@jonasv328 I can see that, standards can be dropped, but some places will still use it. I'd just consider it more niche than it was before.
@@GQGeek81 Agreed. JIS are handily superior.
the impact screwdriver used on removing rusted on brake disks in Japanese cars almost has to be JIS or you will just strip them out they sell bits for it, but they are expensive hardened bits just for that screwdriver.
JIS and Phillips were merged into one standard ISO 8764 in 2008. It is generically labeled Phillips. However not all manufacturers follow ISO 8764. Vessel follows this standard.
Vessel always seems like good bang for the buck. I’ve got the bit holding stubby coming in to round out my driver section in my tool bag. Can’t wait!
Just got mine in the mail and I agree it’s probably the best t heating driver for the money I like it more than the wera or Milwaukee I have .
It has extremely tight tolerance and is smaller than most all comparable models I’ve seen. Perfect for the car/small tool kit/kitchen drawer etc
I still end up using my green snappy stubby the most. The knurling on the SGDMRC1-10 shank is amazing for subtle control.
All vessel screwdrivers are JIS compliant, and will work for both Phillips and JIS cross-point screws. I would assume any bits sold in their drivers meet the same standard.
Thats what I thought.. there definitely is a difference between a Wera PH2 and a Vessel PH2 of which I own a few of both. Vessel every time!
Thanks i bought a set of screwdrivers a few days ago for working on japanese cars since i learned that jis screws were used on em
i just got the stubby ratchet, beautiful and comfortable.
I was wondering when you'd picked this up. I got this last month and have been pretty happy with it. For my carrier I just push into it with a flathead and it's been the prefect amount.
I haven't been let down by vessel yet. Super happy with every purchase I've made.
Nice review! Vessel has very good tools and bits. The Gedore Silent Gear has the same Snap On lock positions, and seems easear to engage than SnapOn
Hi from the UK Doc. I've just bought the Bahco ratcheting T handle driver & after previously only having experience of a Snap On straight or pistol grip driver, it is slightly annoying that the Bahco tightens in the opposite direction to the arrows on the ratchet control. I'll get used to it as I am reaching for the T handled Bahco more & more. I use the Mikwaukee hex extensions & for 11.95 GBP delivered from Amazon currently, it's unbeatable value.
I found one with the two carrousels for $24
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction 👍🏻
I was just looking at these about a day b4 u made this video lol now they are sold out. Great video
My Milwaukee stubby has the same directional lock as the snap on. My Hazet and Wera are the left to tighten, right to loosen. I like the length of the drive shaft my other two are a bit to long sometimes
There's a Vessel TD-6700W-23 ratcheting stubby with what looks like a very similiar mechanism (72 tooth I think) with a wider direction switching band. No bit storage unfortunately, just a double sided Philips bit, but it could still be useful.
picked up one of these bad boys after seeing that lock up. found the sweet spot on it and decided to put a score mark so i can locate it.
I have this Vessel and love it, but also just got an Anex No.397 and it’s great. The lockup on that driver is maybe even better than the vessel. It’s more similar in style to vessel ball ratchet driver and doesn’t have a bit carousel but the lockup is exceptional. Take a look at it. Cheers!
I’ve also got an ANEX397 and I love it. The lockup is really good and I love how it was designed that users are able to twist the screwdriver with two fingers from the hand that are holding the screwdriver and still got a really good grip on the handle.
Hey Doc , I was justing looking it up on Amazon and someone asked if it was JIS and the the answer was yes it is . Now I don’t know who wrote the answer but I would say it is JIS . But I could be wrong . 😁
I got the stubby of that clear vessel ratcheting for the sales person who sold me my GX460 last month (to easily do license plate screws) as a small thank you.
Have you tried the rolegear style ratcheting one yet? Gedore, Hazet, Milgear etc all use it. It’s my favorite.
On these toothless ones, don't you find it difficult to get to the locked position in the middle? It's a very narrow window on my Rolgear.
I literally just got mine delivered yesterday. Love these Japanese tools. In my opinion Japanese ratcheting mechanisms blow the European ones out of the water. I highly recommend the Anex 397 screwdriver, if you don’t have it. The most logically designed ratchet I have ever used.
Looks interesting, but also as if it's not easy (or possible?) to use ordinary bits with it.
@@Nihilimus 3-1/2 in or larger full hex-shank bits work fine. For smaller bits, you can use any bit adapter, like the wera or Bosch
I’m an electrician and use screwdrivers daily. In fact I think as a trade, electricians use screwdrivers more than any other trade. However I’ve never used a ratcheting screwdriver professionally nor have I seen any other trades people use them. Are these typically homeowner drivers? Do mechanics use them? Who actually uses them?
I checked on the LTT one. Little bit of play at center. But the ratchet switch rotates the three same as the snap on.
try megapro ratcheting screwdriver great bit storage and the cap on the handle rotates freely so you can really lean on the handle and the cap doesn't unscrew like some brands
You should try out the LTT screwdriver I just received mine on monday
My screwdrivers need to have drivers/sockets with bits built in. One tool for multiple things. One tool for everything means tons of weight in my bag.
You should look into the Husky 12 in 1 ratcheting "quick load" screwdriver (with on board storage)... it is SURPRISINGLY good for under $20
90 tooth buttery smooth
Maybe this helps someone. The combo with extra bits was sold out obviously. So i bought the red ringed and green ringed drivers separately. The green ringed driver is made in Japan. The red is made in Thailand. Quality is perfect on the green. The red has a little wobble in the hips.
The green ringed is sadly all torx which makes it less interesting
Hey Doc, looks great and 27$ is a great deal. I looked it up and unfortunately is was 46€ over here, so almost double. But I’ve made a note of it in case it comes on sale. Funny when you look at your collection when it’s laid out like that. There’s a lot of them that aren’t available here in Europe, only redeeming thing is the European brands cost less here. Currently I have the Pb Swiss PB6510R-100 at the top of my wishlist, but the price is holding me back. I know the quality is there, but it’s a lot.
How come you haven’t got that one? Is it hard to source in the US. Come to think of it, do you have any of the PB Swiss with the “flip out” magazine for bits?
The PB Swiss was 63eur last time I checked here.
@@gplusgplus2286 hi, that seems very low, where was this?
@@kristofferholst6053 Greece
that PB Swiss handle is pretty hard to improve upon.
Nice !
I have the long & stubby versions and I prefer the Japanese made stubby.
Recently got a LTT/LMG screwdriver, costs more but I am very impressed by it!
Yes, and possibly the only other one that ratchets in the same direction as the Snap-On. It did well in Project Farm's group test.
Still waiting for mine. It was sitting 2 weeks from 26.12.22 till 17.01.2023 in Vancouver terminal for no apparent reason. still waiting for it to arrive in Europe.
I like the LTT screwdriver so much I have a second one (one black top, one orange top) on the way and I have ordered the entire additional bit sets for both screwdrivers. I keep the extra bits in an opaque white (not the blue one) .22 ammo box from Amazon “US-Deals .22 Ammo Case 100 Round Box .22 LR .25 ACP”. Save the white bit chart that comes with the LTT screwdriver and cut it down so it fits in the top of the .22 ammo case. You’ll have to cut off the part on the chart with the Phillips bits but who needs directions on what size is your Phillips bits? I then took a piece of lined paper and sketched out each row starting at the top and working my way down so each row in the .22 ammo box matched the LTT chart. I used /////////// to symbolize where I had open spots with no bits in the ammo box. I used clear shipping tape to seal up the two charts back to back to protect them from dirt and grease.. Before you throw away your Amazon cardboard box cut a square so it fits in the top of the plastic box to keep the bits from rattling around. You’ll have to make four little snips in the cardboard to match the top of the plastic lid so the cardboard fits snug. EZ peezy.
@@jamesrodgers3132 snap on is a Williams. LTT is over priced mega pro.
Skip the LTT and just get the mega pro.
@@rawhides except they did an entire video as to how they deviated and improved upon megapros and those customizations are exactly the ones people want. So I wouldn't dismiss the LTT screwdriver without that understanding. The LTT should be considered the megapro flagship.
You should try the Dewalt 8v electric screwdriver. It uses a gyroscopic mechanism to turn clockwise or counterclockwise, and gives great control over rotation speed. Seems like the prototype for future electric screwdrivers which will culminate one day into a perfect tool
So Doc great video once agai!!! I have a question, what site do you recommend to purchase PB SWISS?
Honestly, I get most of my PB Swiss off amazon. But it comes from resellers all over the world. Earlier, my PB was coming from Israel via amazon. There are other places online as well, but I have not used them yet.
@@lastbesttool @revg2608 Drpd in my experience is the best. You can buy from PB Swiss tools US (Count on Tools) or Tool Lady but DRPD has been the best to work with quickest and cheapest shipping. Awesome customer service. Tool lady has good service also but shipping is stupidly expensive unless you're spending hundreds.
What is your favourite.I like stubby Bahco
The German Din standard has incorporated Jis for quite some time, don't know about american standards. Point is, any new european screwdriver should be fine for JIS, Wera specifically says "made to work with japanese screws". The problem would be with any old screwdrivers.
What are the three to the right
I must say the expensive Wera ratcheting screwdriver I bought recently has terrible backdrag, terrible wobbly holding of bit rapidaptor and the rapidaptor doesn't hold the individual bits tight at all. Doesn't take 9mm Japanese anvil bits. Dissapointing in general (for the price) compared to my Japanese ratcheting bit drivers that have buttery low backdrag, high tooth count and just perform MUCH better at about a fifth of the cost. I've been telling u for a while Doc, get yourself an Anex no.397.
Thank yo7
Doc, I noticed that you are familiar with NASA. Did you work as an engineer there?
Get a würth ratcheting screwdriver.
They are the best imo
What kind of doctor are you?
Gedore SilentGear 2619 is my choice, I managed to get one for something like 22$. Great concept and quality, 0 degree ratchet.
I was all in until he said " Persnickety" 🤣🤣
If it says ph2 then it is Philip. If it was jis it would say jis but you can just buy jis tips if needed
Where is the LTT?
To everyone who has this: Check the two tiny tabs that hold the bit holder in the handle. Do you see white stress marks at the base of the tabs? I've had this for a couple of days, and the tabs look like they'll snap.
And once they do, there is no nice way to fix the issue. If it was a slide out carousel like the PB Swiss or Klein or something, maybe, but as it is, it's not looking good. I hope Vessel has a good warranty.
Any updates on this? I bought it yesterday and I'm worried they might break on me too.
@coryexe936 I haven't taken the bit holder out at all. I just use it with a phillips 2 bit and another bit set. Does yours have the white stress marks on the tabs?
you have PZ2 and ph2. PZ2 is 2 PH2 in one
That definitely seems to be a standard PS2 bit. JIS have a little of a Pozidriv vibe with those subtle extra striations. As for my take on the PB Swiss ratcheting screwdrivers; though they might not be the very best ratcheting drivers, (though still really good) they make up for it by having the least play/best lock up that I have seen with any style ratcheting mechanism.
I bought the PB Swiss and it is nice but the backdrag is way too high. I feel like it defeats the purpose of a ratcheting screwdriver.
@@chrisbradley3224 I have the PB 8510 R-30 'Twister' model. That one seems to be ok with not much backdrag. But maybe I got lucky and received particularly good one.
Where did you get that ? I looked on ebay they wanted 20$ 25$ shipping from japan ain't gonna happen
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JIS has a different angle and fits JIS screws AND regular phillis screws better than a normal phillips. if you work on any year (especially older) Japanese motorcycles it’s a must to have in your toolbox. It isn’t like pozi drive.
JIS bits and screwdrivers are far superior than phillips drivers period.
I do not understand. You have 10+ old type ratcheting screwdrivers and get another one of the same type instead of maybe trying a gearless ratchet screwdriver which in my opinion are superior. I have got mine recently and it is so good that I am not going back.
Yeah, sadly they don't stay working that good for very long, even my Wera Pistol grip ones.
No Robertson bits. meh.
Wera has better srewdrivers
I gotta stop watching your channel..im going to need a bigger tool box
Hello Doc, compare Anex 397-D which one is nicer to use?
Best one I've tried? PROTO J9323
The IDEAL 21-in-1 twist-a-nut is also very nice for the price.