People realize you take the medication for ADHD when you first wake up, right? At least most do. Going to sleep with ADHD is like going to sleep with a few televisions on randomly flipping through channels. If you ain't already falling asleep when you get in the bed, you ain't falling asleep when you get in the bed.
That's the big risk in mis-diagnosis... Just because it's real does NOT mean the doctors are always right when they suggest it... AND this loses the credibility. In an ADHD sufferer, stimulants do not work the same as a "normal" person. A normal person gets "geeked"... anxious(?). An ADHD "authentic" does not. Unfortunately, and this guy's comments lend to this... Sleep deprivation presents very close to the same symptoms. AND the stimulants CAN return fairly normal function to the sleep deprived brain, for short terms... For parents and teachers, they don't have to feel it, so they don't know the difference. Neither do the kids, and it's unfortunate. BECAUSE the kids don't know enough about the world to argue when they're told, "The drugs are helping you."... SO they assume everyone has their best interests at heart and continue, right or wrong. The sleep deprived brain, over-charged on Stimulants will function relatively normal for a while. Then comes the crash... AND the doctors, parents, teachers, all start assuming that some resistance is building... SO give the kid MORE of the drugs... Another crash and the cycle repeats... at least until dangerous levels of this stuff are being administered or a more dangerous more powerful drug is applied... In the end, you have a young adult who crashes on the big stuff, can't seem to get his or her shit together anyway, and takes a downward spiral into depression. "Something is SERIOUSLY wrong with me"... The spiral of burn-out is horrible, isolating, painful, and often leads to alternatives to helpful solutions more than it leads to getting real help. It can seem the road to Hell really IS paved in the best intentions. ;o)
gnarth d'arkanen I think you're quite right. Also I don't mean to say that Matthew up there doesn't know what he's taking about. I understand he's pointing out the risk of misdiagnosis. I'm just annoyed about the comments people make.
Ruben Lensvelt, I didn't intend to suggest you said anything of the sort... For the record, I agree with you. I also see that same comments section, and can understand that statements like yours are liable to draw attention from some of those who adamantly disagree... usually through an experience not unlike what I described. I worry about this because blanketing discredit to the suffering of authentic ADHD is just as harmful as the mis-diagnosis. This interview points out (in part anyway) that sleep deprivation is probably MORE likely the appropriate first line of thinking, rather than just assuming a young child is "acting out" because of ADHD... I worry because MY body doesn't respond to stimulants the same as other peoples' tend to... I can drink nearly a half-gallon of coffee and go right to sleep. I can also stand up to considerably more alcohol than most my same size, weight, and general athletic ability... Is there some degree of ADHD? I don't know. My parents swatted me across the side of my head and told me "even a damn rock can sit down and shut up..." SO I took the more survivable route... and shut up. BUT there probably are some few individuals who will simply NOT be capable of it. Seizure patients can NOT control themselves... it's the nature of seizures. My point is that maybe we should tend our own knitting. Maybe we don't really have a place to blanket our judgments of what is or is not "real" to someone else suffering a mental disorder, no matter how incredible or benign. Maybe we're allowed the dubious freedom to debate, but more in the sense (as non-experts anyways) to share notes and learn new avenues of research that might be helpful for us individually. In the end, you CAN lead a fool to water, but you CAN NOT make the idiot drink it. Although, drowning is occasionally a favorable alternative, I hear. ;o)
As someone with ADHD, I can say that taking Ritalin (a stimulant) has actually allowed me to sleep much easier. Normally my brain does not stop looking for things to do when I want to sleep, but if I took a slow release dose of Ritalin in the morning, which begins to wear off mid afternoon, my brain is much more willing to "give up" in the fight against sleep when I start to feel tired. It's as though my ADHD brain thinks sleep is the enemy.
Same. Stimulants enable me to focus when I’m doing work and to chill when I’m having my break. Like my mind can actually take a break when I’m chilling instead of thinking about thousand things
I stopped taking my medicine because it was wrecking havoc on my sleep I was getting less than 5 hours on average and after school I stopped taking it and I’m not sleeping usually 8 hours when my head hits the pillow I’m out
Conflating young students who abuse the drug with all users is so irresponsible. People absolutely abuse these drugs, but that's not proof that all users are simply druggies who want a boost. Rogan literally admits to abusing the drug in this clip while simultaneously taking it upon himself to delegitimize people who actually require it. Shameful.
Yeah it's the most annoying misinformation. Also people with ADHD who take it gain ADHD like symptoms as overstimulation causes lack of focus as well. So it may help you keep awake but your quality of work would diminish due to focus reduction. It helps with ADHD people is because we have a dopamine deficiency just makes us normal and not hyper and focused. Also spread of false information encourages students to get ADHD medication illegally causing medication shortages due to said misinformation.
Try taking anxiety medicine at the same time. I forgot to eat for so long my body physically shut down and I went into a case of mild depression until somebody told me I should eat something.
I'll toss my hat into this topic. I had a bad experience with Straterra at a young age and convinced myself I didn't need the ADHD medication for the next 20 years, despite the fact that my grades suffered as soon as I stopped taking the pills. The next 20 years were full of forgetfulness, hyper activity, inability to concentrate, and bouts of intense frustration/anger. This year, I decided to go back to my doctor and discuss my situation. I was given Adderall XR and after just one day of taking it, I began to openly weep in front of my wife after work. I couldn't believe the difference in mood and ability to work. The constant bombardment of useless and irrelevant thoughts went away. I was able to start and easily finish a task without distraction. My ability to work improved so dramatically I even got a raise 4 months after starting Adderall. I understand people abuse Adderall and I understand ADHD is overly diagnosed, but there are also real people activity suffering from ADHD and the struggle of ADHD is no laughing matter, and faking ADHD to get Adderall is disgusting.
couple things, starting with im sorry you had to go through untreated adhd I know how that feels. however, there is no evidence to support ADHD is overdiagnosed, some people do get misdiagnosed deliberate and not, but that's the same with everything. ADHD is lightly under diagnosed especially in women and being a spectrum less than half of ADHD people require medication at all with is not talked about. Secondly I understand that you are angry at the people that abuse adderall because it devaluates your experience and gives adhd a bad rep. However, it is affecting them much more than you and what usually happens is an adhd friend lets them try it and they get extremely addicted from a couple weeks of regular use, like any addiction people will go to great lengths to enable it. So using the word disgusting is a misjudgment and in my opinion anyway it's more a case of sad and possibly even selfish but not disgusting.
Straterra is the first medication I tried for treating my ADHD. It worked quite well at helping me focus, but unfortunately, my body 'rejects' the drug. No matter how low of a dose, and even after a couple months on the drug, I would get nausea and throw up every day. Evidently, enough of the drug was metabolized before throwing up, since I obviously felt the effects. But yeah, not worth it. Vomiting every single day is not fun and it's not great for your health lol. Glad you found a medication that works well for you. :) I am on Dexedrine (extended release), have been on it for years now. I take it primarily for ADHD and it also helps me manage my narcolepsy. Stimulants are life-changing medications for many people, in the best possible way.
@@chheeesh1484 not really, all stimulants do is to make up for dopamine deficiencies an ADHD brain causes. With the right dose it can stop thoughts and ideas spinning around uncontrollably, making it easier to relax, leading to an easier time sleeping. I recommend you read up on it if you're interested, especially Russel Barkley
I use to think this was just a quirk of mine, i use to tell people i can drink coffee and sleep shortly after. Never thought about it being my adhd, makes sense really
Adhd here Never slept right UNTIL I WAS GIVEN STIMULANTS! It's not a cure but it will floor you the moment you realize how different your world is compared to everyone else. hurts like hell knowing there was a name for why your different than others. Much deeper than I hear talked about. The social interactions, most end up asking why everyone treats us as outcasts so you embrace that coldness where no one matters. The jobs youll lose, relationships sabotaged. friends (you probably won't have any and sure to lose the ones you do have) For me my mind plays through thousands of scenarios and plans to achieve goals, build new things or dive into a new obsession Daily. With the knowledge to carry out the goals BUT YOU CANNOT GET YOUR BRAIN TO START I once stayed up for 2 days building a blast cabinet when I had a boat to finish and sell because i lost my job. that boat had no need for a blast cabinet. Boat got finished 3 weeks late, I wouldn't spend 5 minutes on it. But yet for no advantage I'll weld and fabricate an awesome blast cabinet for 2 days no sleep.. NOT EVEN DISASTER CAN TRIGGER MOTIVATION. THE ONLY THING I WILL DO WITHOUT HESITATION WITH CONTINUATION IS HUNTING AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS MOTORIZED ENDEAVORS
After I started taking ADHD meds, my sleeping improved significantly. Not to mention other things that I struggled with for almost 3 decades of my life.
ADHD is real, at least in my own experience. It's just that the name ADHD, does not cover the complete spectrum of symptoms. And ADHD is not experienced as a problem by everyone. But it has to be conditioned and balanced to multiple degrees of structure. Regulating sleep patterns is one of these structures.
When I was diagnosed I questioned the 'reality/authenticity' of ADHD. One reason was because they said my 'hyperfocus' was a main sign of ADHD. I asked; "hyper means too much right? And focus is synonymous with attention right? So you're saying I have too much attention and you're diagnosing me with a disorder characterised by a deficit in attention?" Ironically, the stimulant ADHD medication helped to calm down my "hyperactive brain" and helped me sleep. I'd prescribe linguistics to the medical community but they say I talk too much because of my ADHD.
@@nuansd I had hoped to point out to "them" that using wrong names (Attention Deficit, Stimulant, etc.) immediately makes everything paradoxical for patients, the public, and even other clinicians. Speaking of names, your TH-cam name is really cool and really clever; very nuanced.
TheReal Nous Vodka?apparently it’s scotch and whisky or are they the same thing? Either way, though I’ll have a drink it’s certainly not my drug of choice. Poison never really was my thing.
TheReal Nous I do weed Rn why do people go to drinking for crashes? Just a question not attacking you or anything I’ve just never tried alcohol for that.
The first time I took adderall I fell asleep in the middle of the day randomly after having a hard time sleeping every night… it felt like it gave my mind enough quiet to finally listen to my body’s internal exhaustion cues
Joe Rogan would figure out a way to make it sound like Dr. Barkley doesn't know what he's talking about. Pretty sure Dr. Barkley would freak out if his interviewer starts talking about abusing stimulants as a non ADHD sufferer, literally during the interview...
It's extremely common for people with ADHD to have sleep problems and even actual sleep disorders. These can make ADHD symptoms worse. I was diagnosed with sleep apnea when I was 6, had my tonsils and adenoids removed and it stoped my sleep apnea. When I was 8, no sleep problems, I was diagnosed with ADHD. I'm almost 34 now and still am severely impaired by ADHD. Sleep problems may cause ADHD like symptoms, but ADHD causes sleep problems. This is why it takes someone who is very competent doctor to diagnose ADHD. As for the stimulant medication, it's true that it can interfere with sleep. This is usually a sign of not tolerating the medication, typically do to too high of a dose, the improper metabolization of the medication, or taking it too late in the day. All of which can be adjusted. Just like sleep issues, ADHD is something that should not be taken lightly.
a combination of cbd oil , Tumeric milk at night, turning off all light a couple hours before bed (melatonin)meditation, lavender essential oil, Epsom salt bath and sleep hypnosis works for me. medication isn’t a long term fix remember that people
@@Bbpow1111 Medication absolutely is a long-term solution for many people. Medication shouldn't be the only thing used to manage a condition; lifestyle change and interventions are very important in addition to drugs. A multi-modal approach is best. It can be extremely challenging to make those important healthy lifestyle changes without the help of medication. Especially common with ADHD.
@@inanotherworld3270 What kinds of things do you do in your sleep, if you don't mind me asking? I believe I may have REM sleep behaviour disorder as well. I talk in my sleep A LOT; I sometimes scream and have woke up crying a few times. I have punched my partner a couple of times in my sleep as well, thankfully I am a small woman and not terribly strong lol. I hope you find some answers and are able to resolve your sleep issues. It sucks not being able to control what you do while you're asleep.
I love stigmas they’re my fave so here’s my problem adhd meds to people who actually have it the meds do not speed you up, they bring you down slow your brain down. Make you think logically vs emotionally. ADHD you have an extremely low tolerance for frustration and boredom snap out of nowhere, anxiety, chronic depression, you don’t stay at jobs long, you don’t do anything long, don’t have a social life because you’re so worried all the time about what they think, if they like you etc. disorganized, forgetful, overshare, talk too much to avoid silence, high heart rate, low blood pressure, mostly males have it, you get it from one of your parents, impulsive behaviors. I mean our brains are wired incorrectly, our brains dump dopamine replenishes it dumps it again also our norepinephrine is out of whack this is legit science. YOU DO NOT OUT GROW IT! You don’t have to take traditional stimulants there are tons of other things. But even if you take stimulants you only dose 8 hours out of the day, most of the time, also they advise time off from your stimulant. Which is great you don’t have withdrawal you feel just extremely hyper. But the stimulants level out your blood pressure and heart rate levels your entire mentality, behavior, I can go on and on. Here’s the problem mainstream medicine sees a problem they want to fix it. Well mental health you can’t cure but you can treat and use therapy. My psychiatrist used to be a neurosurgeon for 16 years, then went into psycho therapy and psychiatry. He educates you with an entire course before medicating. Long mental evaluation. Psychiatry vaguely touch adhd so if they don’t specialize or study it specifically too then here are these stigmas.
I agree this is why I hate the people who say adhd is over diagnosed, or why I cringe when joe brought up people who use stimulants it only ends up hurting us with adhd. Adhd is over stigmatized and often over looked, and overly misunderstood by people who don't know anything about it. And as a scientist the guest should have a basic understanding of adhd.
So I was diagnosed with adult ADHD, they gave me Add meds. My life got worse. So I was at the doctors one day discussing my problems and I just lucked out. The doctor I had just got back from a sleep seminar. So the doctor measured my neck. I have a thick neck as I am a powerlifter. He sent me to a sleep specialist who did a sleep study. Bam, I get a cpap and my life changed. All my ADHD symptoms went away. I had been trying to lose weight as well. I want to go from 110 kg (242lb) down to the 100 kg (220 lb) weight class but losing weight was really a struggle. Once I started sleeping all night losing weight became immensely easier. I went all the way down to 90 kg (198 lb) weight class. Losing 44lbs plus the cpap has changed my life and I am still as strong. Sleep apnea is killer if not treated.
A CPAP is a device that forces oxygen into your mouth and nasal cavities so that you do not wake from your sleep from loss of oxygen. A very common problem in overweight people or people who have decided to keep their tonsils.
Agent G It stands for constant positive airway pressure. It’s a mask connected to a pump, and is set for a certain pressure level depending on the patient. The air being forced in to your mouth and nose stops the airway from closing during sleep which is what happens with someone with sleep apnea. They’re not the easiest thing to sleep with but the long term effects of untreated sleep apnea are much worse.
Joe Ro, As some one with ADHD I can say for myself, I don’t take my medication like I should cause I’ve grown up since kindergarten taking it 2&1/2 times a day. Being 23 now and learning more about what’s in the medicine, and how it makes me feel, certain habits I get from it, feelings, blankness. I don’t like that for myself. I will say, marijuana and micro dosing magic mushrooms, and expelling the “hyper ness” with executing it for my music, exercising, and even solves the emotional background of ADHD. Granted the addys and the riddilin or what ever helps but it isn’t a natural feeling for me.
If you're medicated for adhd, you definitely have to time your stimulant so it wears off before bed time. I had really poor sleep patterns and taking stimulants for adhd actually helped, because I used to sleep during the day from being so unerstimulated. Then I couldn't sleep when I was supposed to.
Exactly!! When I don’t take my adderall I get SO sleepy during the day and it messes my sleep up the way you just described. When I do take it I sleep from midnight to 7 am without any issues
Far be it from me to argue with this chap, as he's obviously an expert in his field and a damn sight more intelligent than me... buuuuut people with ADHD taking stims don't (first few doses aside maybe) suffer with loss of sleep. All the meds do is normalise the brain function; ADHD is basically caused insufficient dopamine, or regulation thereof. It's a problem with executive functioning. The meds, within ADHD sufferers, bring that in to line. So yes, it is a stimulant but it doesn't affect ADHD brains as it would a non-ADHD brain. A non ADHD brain would have a surplus of dopamine, hence struggles with sleep. An ADHD brain is just stimulated gently into working better. I'm not very coherent here because I'm typing this whilst dealing with many interruptions, but source: I'm 34 years old and was recently diagnosed with severe ADHD (honestly at first I thought it was a load of nonsense) but I can confirm that my brain both works better now, and I actually benefit from far better sleep. Edit: I'm on a fairly high dose of lisdexamfetamine, so by now I'm well acquainted with stims. Quite frankly my life was, and would continue to be, a total chaos fuck without them.
I wonder sometimes if I have ADHD. I can’t focus and I can’t sleep but I’m tired all the time. I can sleep anywhere for a nap. But I can’t sleep at night. I take naps during the day when I’m overwhelmed with what I have to do. I wake up every night at 4 or 2. Life is boring for me. I have analysis paralysis. I stopped brushing my teeth or fixing my hair because the repetitiveness of those activities is annoying. I do brush and fix my hair when it gets super gross tho. Showering is fine I enjoy how I can zone out and day dream in the shower. I begin to wash my body 10 to 15 mins later after I’ve gotten my fill of zoning out. There’s so much more. I do things last min, everything from homework to packing for moving days. (I’m not in school anymore) I do the tasks for my job last min, I’m scared they’ll fire me but I can’t help it. The tasks are extremely easy but I have no motivation to do them, then I stress all night about them and repeat the process again the next day. I am not sure if I have ADHD. I’m 35 and it feels like I can’t get my shit together.
@@serenesista - if it is at all possible, it's worth getting screened for it. I can honestly say that, even though it has been a bittersweet realisation (a lot of 'what ifs' etc.), the quality of my life has improved dramatically since being medicated. I can focus without much issue, my mind is calm and clear. I'm also starting to build a better foundation for myself - I've even begun work with an ADHD specialist coach. Best of luck to you 👍
@@pauljackson112 This is so great to hear. I'm an adult who after looking at ADHD symptoms for my child began realizing that many of the things I've suffered with throughout my entire life fall plainly in the severe ADHD spectrum. Sometimes I guess it takes seeing it from a different perspective to realize it (when I realized that so many things I noticed in my child I also currently experience). The only thing is that I've developed a whole host of coping mechanisms ad-hoc throughout my life, but it is a daily struggled. The thought that my child might not have to go through the same things that I did is wonderful. But of course, I need to take care of myself as well. Did you see a general practitioner or a psychiatrist first?
It’s unbelievable how much I procrastinate now. That being coupled with a tendency to get addicted to anything makes for a bad combination. I think the best solution for me is to introduce new habits and less screen time. People don’t factor in technology when it comes to ADHD. There are certain hormonal effects that watching screens I have a feeling that they are more detrimental for someone with ADHD
Are you on medical/therapy treatment? My ADHD got so bad in the last couple years that I got diagnosed for ADHD the first time in my 50s. (It's a real diagnosis. The meds are working like they should. I was able to cope until now while leaving a path of destruction my my personal relationships...)
Yeah do things like shuffle cool videos into short to medium play list and limit yourself to one per sitting on a game or something. That helps me and if I make them about the same topic I find I can absorb a lot of information passively while enjoying whatever game
I was diagnosed with adhd and if you really need to sleep that one night as a last resort weed always worked for me, but careful it became a habit by doing it every night I started to lose a lot of energy and motivation (reduced sleep quality), I decided to quit a few days ago but damn it's hard to sleep. I'm typing this after pulling an unvoluntary all nighter
this is not a good idea because smoking weed makes your rem sleep not activate, and rem sleep is when your brain is worked on the most and your memory is worked on thats why some people dont have as good memory when they smoke, thats why i smoke during the day
I have ADHD too, and bad sleeping habit was daily basis. Have you tried melatonin pills? It helped me, but now I prefer Sleep Aid by Kirkland coz the effect is more instant.
I found it's easier to sleep when I'm physically tired/exhausted. Take up hobbies that keep you moving or (shudder), exercise. ( I don't know about you guys but physical exercise feels like a waste of time even though I know it isn't. It gives me the same mental reaction as waiting in line)
Hey guess what? Scientifically speaking, you don’t fucking know that haha. Allow me to demonstrate what you just did. “I have ADHD” - you “Some cases of ADHD are actually just sleep disorders caused by physical barriers in the throat” - joe’s guest Then, you do this... “Well I have ADHD but nahh mine isn’t caused by sleep. “ -you And boom. You believe that just as strongly as someone who was told the same info by a doctor. The problem is you never saw a doctor to make that decision. You just assumed you knew enough about “my condition” and “I know my own body”. It’s all bullshit
Man its been so long since I heard anything about ADHD. Totally forgot about the dopamine deficiancy stuff. I'd even say this is the biggest problem with ADHD.
If ADHD disappears, you were misdiagnosed. I was diagnosed in 2nd grade because I was different then all the boys in my class. To this day I am still different. I am 16 and when I'm off my meds I act like a smart 9 year old. Everyone in my class finds me annoying. I have trouble making and keeping friends. Btw blame my diagnosis on a doctor I have been to a psychiatrist more than I can count.
To the best of my knowledge people with ADHD usually have difficulty sleeping because their neurotransmitters Norepinephrine, Serotonin, Acetylcholine, GABA all affect their sleep. So its a bit more complicated
I have ADHD and I am given a blood pressure medication that I take before I go to bed that combats the stimulant I take.during the day. I've been using the same medications during the day and at night for almost 10 years and my sleep is fine. If any ADHD guys out there struggle with sleep ask your doctor about adding a blood pressure medication. I've been taking the same blood pressure medication since I was a kid now I'm my early 20s and it works like a charm every night.
What kind of stimulant do you take for your ADHD? And what's the name of the blood pressure medicine? I'm asking because I just started taking Vyvanse, after almost a year off Ritalin. This one feels very different in both good and bad ways, thing is that I can't fall asleep. Sleep was easier on fast-acting Ritalin, although other side effects were so severe at one point I'm not intending to look back. I like Vyvanse so far, even though the starting dose is 20 mg, and I want to find a solution to the insomnia.. Maybe it'll sort itself out when I reach a higher dosage? How was your journey with all this? I'm hopeful but confused. :-S
@@Ofthevalleyofthewindmethylphenidate is the stimulant I take which is similar to Ritalin also called concerta. I take clondine at night and it's only 0.1 mg. I take usually one but I can take up to 2 and I can usually fall asleep within 15 minutes or a little more other than I have to be in bed within that time or else it won't work that well. Hope this helps !
i have learning disabilities since childhood so i can relate to those who have adhd but i have never in my life taking meds for it because i believe in overcoming it just like working out to improve my brain that could take time
What's really wild is that genetics play into how much stimulants actually help with sleep deprivation. There is a SNP, rs4680 (a genetic switch) that spells out how fast the brain/body breaks down catecholamines like dopamine, adrenaline, and norepinephrine. People who have the fast version (val/val) get a HUGE boost from modafinil and amphetamine, whereas the slow catecholamine metabolism (met/met) people generally get a much lower response, some don't even respond to modafinil at all. There are studies that clearly show statistical significance here, but it's not very widely known at all - I suspect because if it was known, drug manufacturers would be potentially looking at less sales.
Ritalin/dexadrih not only prevented my sleeping, but massively suppressed my appetite. I would be sp hungry my stomach would physically hurt, and yet the idea of eating was nauseating. I just stopped taking the pills in Jr high, and started self medicating otherwise. It was crazy how in high-school everyone wanted the drugs i was supposed to take, but couldn't stand.
Hearing about people popping Modafinil all day is scary to me, medically at least. In clinical trials they had people take daily doses of 200mg, 400mg, 600mg, and 800mg. They found that 600 and 800 didn’t give any more of an energy boost, and actually can raise blood pressure and cause heart problems.
Sodium Oxybate (Xyrem) is taken at night - on an empty stomach - right before bed and then again 3 hours later. Within about 15 minutes you are in a heavy, deep sleep. Xyrem increases slow wave sleep throughout the night so you wake up feeling extremely well rested. I've been on stimulants for about 12 years and once I started Xyrem I was able to reduce my adderall dose from 60mg per day down to 15mg. Instead of taking stimulants to increase my alertness, I'm addressing a root cause....poor sleep quality. Another benefit of Xyrem is that it will increase growth hormone secretion in your body. This melted fat off me for the first couple months and my weight dropped from 280lbs to 265lbs.
Thanks for posting that. I was just about to. Anyone who says they can't sleep with adderall, those people do not truely have adhd. Or they are less likely too.
@@sburns90 Hey man, i find that if i take my meds earlier on in the day and they have worn off by the time I am asleep, I can sleep fine as I feel more relaxed and able to rest. with this said though, if my medication is still in my system at bedtime, while i can fall asleep, i find myself waking up a few hours after falling alseep and then struggle to fall asleep for the next 5-6 hours even though the medication is only supposed to last for 4 hours. i know its weird but It has been happening for a while now.
The problem with someone like Joe stating his experience on stimulants is that if you don't have ADHD, those stimulants literally don't have the same effect on your brain. I dont take stimulants to keep me awake and alert like he does when driving. I take it to quiet my over-working brain.
I have sleep disordered adhd due to orthodontic treatment. It's complicated but I was born with a type 3 tongue tie; left untreated it affects how your face develops usually causing a recessed jaw that is typically treated with extractions and braces (orthodontic camouflage). This makes your mouth smaller, in my case the size of a ten year old child's, and means one's mouth is now too small for their tongue. This has resulted in my having sleep apnea and uars, adhd, and postural problems like forward head posture affecting breathing, walking, swimming and everything else and causes back, hip and joint pain. NEVER get extractions, orthodontists have no idea what they are doing, they're simply in it to create long term paying customers.
As someone who has had ADHD from an extremely young age, the best way to desribe it is the average brain goes 50MPH, but someone with ADHD is going 120MPH. On one hand, it does help with calculating faster, but on the other hand it can lead to insomnia.
i stopped the medication because i didn't feel like myself, i felt somehow less. i wouldn't advice people to stop their medication but in my case i felt empty
I've got ADHD when I was younger I would literally goes 2 days without sleeping until my eyes were closing on their own. I just couldn't go to sleep up until I was 16 and smoked some weed for the first time😂
I know this guy says you need 8 hrs sleep per night but once I got my sleep apnea straightened out I was back to sleeping only 6.5 hrs a night. I do not even set an alarm clock. I go to bed every night at 10 pm and wake up refreshed at 4:30 am. I average less than 2 sleep apnea events per hour of sleep according to my machine. I have tried to go back to bed after 6.5 hrs and I just lay their. Weekends are the same.
david wagner sleep depends largely on age and quality, along with personal factors. A small portion (everyone thinks it's them) of the population can get by on less sleep. The older you get, the less sleep you need. By contrast, teenagers need the most sleep.
A misconception that ADHD medication acts the same way as a stimulant on an ADHD brain vs a Neurotypical brain. Stimulants help me sleep in 3 ways, 1: it enables me to get up earlier to start my day because it helps me figure out how to start my day, stay on one task until it is completed, and continue to begin and complete subsequent tasks (ie. helps me use my brain more for longer periods of time. ) 2: Because of point 1, I'm able to maintain a more consistent sleep schedule which helps me achieve better sleep hygiene. 3: Because ADHD brains have issues with controlling thought, commonly at night our brains are constantly jumping from thought to thought without being able to silence it. This is commonly misdiagnosed as an anxiety disorder. The stimulant helps my brain remain on one thought for long periods of time, allowing it to calm down and "focus" on sleeping. (in fact, my first time taking medication I became extremely relaxed and began to sleep 2 hours after and woke up roughly 20 hours after taking the medication. )
Jon Windle I have the same feeling with my ADHD meds. Stimulants actually center me compared to my friends which hypes them up. Good post. Gives good info out there.
I for sure have ADHD and the couple times ive tried Addy I felt less "geeked" than my friends but at the same time sleep was difficult.. at least in my personal experience. I had taken them at later times during the day so by the time the effects wore off (the next day) I felt tired but still unable to sleep.
I did some reading when I first took it, the reason why I was tired (apparently) is that I had been sleep deprived for so long. Once I was getting adequate sleep I had to ensure that I took the medication early enough to not have any trouble sleeping. Adderal is different then Vyvanse as it is metabolically harder on your body even if it is Spansules. When it comes to what you described about "the next day". Your body is still running off of the fluctuations of hormones in your body. As the new day came, depending on the time and date, your body produced more "wake up" hormones as the sunlight began to rise. Additionally, it is super important to analyze your diet very closely, including your water consumption. I've noticed that for me personally if I don't have a breakfast that is high in fat, and dietary fiber before or when I take the medication I will have a harder time sleeping as the uptake and excretion of the medication is much sharper. This causes some of my physiology to resemble anxiety and a weird feeling at the end of the day. As the rapid loss of the medication makes it harder for my body to rebalance the hormones. This can sometimes cause me to fall asleep later then I intend. There is also a lot of information about magnesium that helps sleep, aswell as vitamin B complex supplements. However, I have yet to see how these affect me. But if you google there is a bit of info on it in some ADHD forums. @Cody Womack
I have posted before on the subject of glutathione. I take 2 - 4ml of liposomal glutathione (the food supplement is suspended in liposomes) in the morning and it greatly improves REM sleep the following night. This is the sleep that should come in the early morning along with imaginative dreams. Don’t buy the cheapest brand.
I tried going off ADHD meds since I have been on them for years, only to realize why I am not like these people who take them to clean or cram homework. It keeps me from hyper focusing which I would abandon my family and life in a heartbeat if I was hyper focused on something that made more sense at the time than being married. It has a grounding effect which it does not do for people who don’t have ADHD. So they can’t understand. Drink caffeine or take an ice bath. Bruh, if I stop taking it, I could carve the statue of David and tune out the world.
Lol, i have ADHD and stimulants don't keep me awake. I sleep better after a cup of coffee. ADHD brains are different from typical brains, stimulants affect us differently.
I am an insomniac. I was even born at 11:58 PM I have to take Adderall during the day and then I have to work out really heavy at night to think about if I’m even going to go to sleep. I’m considering taking Lunesta.
Stimulants make some people with ADHD fall sleep. They aren’t a stimulant for some ADHD patients, they are a sedative. I take my ADHD medicine to get to sleep at night.
Who taking adderall doesn't know that if you take it after noon it will interfere with sleep? He said prescribed to take in the afternoon and evening. I don't think he has spoken to many people using Adderall for ADHD.
The short clip of this is counterintuitive to the subject itself. Not really enjoying the snippets as much as ai used to when I didnt actually want to sit and listen. to JRE for an hour or two. but this is what got me there so. keep it up, just kindof annoying sometimes lol
I used to grow my own weed end self medicate but now I developed CHS ( canabinoid hypermesis syndrome ) ... going to try different things again .. used to take relatin 40 mg
I got addicted to kratom and I had to quit because I got hurt and those were some bad withdrawals and now I'm dealing with my second alcohol relapse even though it's not an adhd med it still helped more then any of my adhd meds. I just have an addictive personality but my first adhd med was Ritalin and I was 6 when put on it
Has anyone's vision improved after taking ADHD medication? Because your vision might be tied to your focus and so when you focus better you can 'see' better? I'm curious to know as this is a theory of mine. I have not been on meds but I suspect ADHD and wonder if my vision issues which I can't figure out by going to an optician are related.
Kind of coincidental, when I started having severe focusing and motivation issues, my vision also got blurry almost instantly one day out of no where, and has stuck ever since. Prior to that day I had perfect vision. I literally told my mom, “if something weird happens I’m probably having a stroke, I’m seeing double right now out of nowhere.” Went to the highest rated eye doctor in my city because I was freaked out. And after an hour of testing and consultation they found nothing wrong besides saying I needed glasses.
@@Charlie-eq3dj no, I was supposed to have additional testing done, they tried to set me up with glasses but because I knew there’d be additional tests, I told them I’d wait. But this place was expensive and not covered under my insurance and at the time I didn’t have money so I put it off and just kind of got used to it. It hasn’t gotten worse but it definitely still interferes with reading and spotting objects when people point stuff out. What makes me think it’s not something wrong with the shape of my eye (why you normally need glasses) is because it changes. Some days can be really bad like that first day and some days it’s not really noticeable.
@@johnmoore1495 Does you diet have anything to do with it? For example if you would eat fried food which is terrible for the brain, would you notice your vision change? Or have you ever done a few days only on juices or water and if you have, have you noticed a change?
@@Charlie-eq3dj in terms of vision I haven’t noticed anything with my diet affecting it. I’ve water fasted and one some keto, when doing those I feel way more mentally clear, but it doesn’t affect my vision.
I am 25 and ADHD has been a controlling component in my life ever since I can remember. I fucking HATE it. My GERD and chronic gastritis make it impossible to keep pills down of really any kind so every day is a battle with being able to think properly. I feel like over the years my ADHD has molded into a form of Neurosis. If you don't think ADHD is real get a fucking clue and go do some research.
I dont have adhd or add ( never went to the doctor). Concerta makes my head go ”quiet” and makes me laser focused..No problem sleeping If im just taking 54mg
For me taking Ritalin or having a coffee or 2 forces my brain to get all its work out during the day leaving it no energy to kick into high gear come bed time
I was pumped full of Ritalin starting at age 7 ..that wud make the year 1985. We are talking 3x a day , 30 mg morning 15mg lunch andb10mg pm .. this went on til I was 18 and legally cud stop taking them .. Now I'm 44 and it's difficult for me to focus on one thing from day to day .. it's almost like my thoughts don't carry on to the next day and each day is starting from level 1...
People realize you take the medication for ADHD when you first wake up, right? At least most do.
Going to sleep with ADHD is like going to sleep with a few televisions on randomly flipping through channels.
If you ain't already falling asleep when you get in the bed, you ain't falling asleep when you get in the bed.
last part was spot on
"Going to sleep with ADHD is like going to sleep with a few televisions on randomly flipping through channels." Absolutely SPOT ON analogy!
I found taking 5mg Melatonin and light exercising beforehand seems to help me get to sleep.
yeah. when I go to sleep I have a few tv,s on and a few concerts going on, just crazy!!
Bro you jus made me realize ive got ADHD… im also 23. Damn
All the people who say ADHD is not real don't know what they're talking about.
That's the big risk in mis-diagnosis...
Just because it's real does NOT mean the doctors are always right when they suggest it... AND this loses the credibility.
In an ADHD sufferer, stimulants do not work the same as a "normal" person. A normal person gets "geeked"... anxious(?). An ADHD "authentic" does not.
Unfortunately, and this guy's comments lend to this... Sleep deprivation presents very close to the same symptoms. AND the stimulants CAN return fairly normal function to the sleep deprived brain, for short terms...
For parents and teachers, they don't have to feel it, so they don't know the difference. Neither do the kids, and it's unfortunate. BECAUSE the kids don't know enough about the world to argue when they're told, "The drugs are helping you."... SO they assume everyone has their best interests at heart and continue, right or wrong.
The sleep deprived brain, over-charged on Stimulants will function relatively normal for a while. Then comes the crash... AND the doctors, parents, teachers, all start assuming that some resistance is building... SO give the kid MORE of the drugs... Another crash and the cycle repeats... at least until dangerous levels of this stuff are being administered or a more dangerous more powerful drug is applied... In the end, you have a young adult who crashes on the big stuff, can't seem to get his or her shit together anyway, and takes a downward spiral into depression. "Something is SERIOUSLY wrong with me"... The spiral of burn-out is horrible, isolating, painful, and often leads to alternatives to helpful solutions more than it leads to getting real help.
It can seem the road to Hell really IS paved in the best intentions. ;o)
gnarth d'arkanen
I think you're quite right.
Also I don't mean to say that Matthew up there doesn't know what he's taking about. I understand he's pointing out the risk of misdiagnosis.
I'm just annoyed about the comments people make.
The experience of ADHD is definitely real. The purported causes - not necessarily.
Nobody said that
Ruben Lensvelt, I didn't intend to suggest you said anything of the sort... For the record, I agree with you.
I also see that same comments section, and can understand that statements like yours are liable to draw attention from some of those who adamantly disagree... usually through an experience not unlike what I described.
I worry about this because blanketing discredit to the suffering of authentic ADHD is just as harmful as the mis-diagnosis. This interview points out (in part anyway) that sleep deprivation is probably MORE likely the appropriate first line of thinking, rather than just assuming a young child is "acting out" because of ADHD...
I worry because MY body doesn't respond to stimulants the same as other peoples' tend to... I can drink nearly a half-gallon of coffee and go right to sleep. I can also stand up to considerably more alcohol than most my same size, weight, and general athletic ability... Is there some degree of ADHD? I don't know. My parents swatted me across the side of my head and told me "even a damn rock can sit down and shut up..." SO I took the more survivable route... and shut up. BUT there probably are some few individuals who will simply NOT be capable of it. Seizure patients can NOT control themselves... it's the nature of seizures.
My point is that maybe we should tend our own knitting. Maybe we don't really have a place to blanket our judgments of what is or is not "real" to someone else suffering a mental disorder, no matter how incredible or benign. Maybe we're allowed the dubious freedom to debate, but more in the sense (as non-experts anyways) to share notes and learn new avenues of research that might be helpful for us individually. In the end, you CAN lead a fool to water, but you CAN NOT make the idiot drink it.
Although, drowning is occasionally a favorable alternative, I hear. ;o)
As someone with ADHD, I can say that taking Ritalin (a stimulant) has actually allowed me to sleep much easier. Normally my brain does not stop looking for things to do when I want to sleep, but if I took a slow release dose of Ritalin in the morning, which begins to wear off mid afternoon, my brain is much more willing to "give up" in the fight against sleep when I start to feel tired. It's as though my ADHD brain thinks sleep is the enemy.
I have ADHD and take vyvanse on off. The come down makes me stay up
I find that drinking a cup of coffee or a can of pop before bed let's me get to sleep
I agree
Same. Stimulants enable me to focus when I’m doing work and to chill when I’m having my break. Like my mind can actually take a break when I’m chilling instead of thinking about thousand things
I stopped taking my medicine because it was wrecking havoc on my sleep I was getting less than 5 hours on average and after school I stopped taking it and I’m not sleeping usually 8 hours when my head hits the pillow I’m out
Conflating young students who abuse the drug with all users is so irresponsible. People absolutely abuse these drugs, but that's not proof that all users are simply druggies who want a boost. Rogan literally admits to abusing the drug in this clip while simultaneously taking it upon himself to delegitimize people who actually require it. Shameful.
Yup. There's borderline misinformation here with little actual information. Information junk food.
Yeah it's the most annoying misinformation. Also people with ADHD who take it gain ADHD like symptoms as overstimulation causes lack of focus as well.
So it may help you keep awake but your quality of work would diminish due to focus reduction.
It helps with ADHD people is because we have a dopamine deficiency just makes us normal and not hyper and focused.
Also spread of false information encourages students to get ADHD medication illegally causing medication shortages due to said misinformation.
Adhd fucked my diet up too. To this day I can go a whole 2 days and only eat a bowl of cereal without feeling hungry.
Same
Try taking anxiety medicine at the same time. I forgot to eat for so long my body physically shut down and I went into a case of mild depression until somebody told me I should eat something.
@@ModMINII mean you should only take that if you actually need it that's a very drastic solution
I'll toss my hat into this topic. I had a bad experience with Straterra at a young age and convinced myself I didn't need the ADHD medication for the next 20 years, despite the fact that my grades suffered as soon as I stopped taking the pills. The next 20 years were full of forgetfulness, hyper activity, inability to concentrate, and bouts of intense frustration/anger.
This year, I decided to go back to my doctor and discuss my situation. I was given Adderall XR and after just one day of taking it, I began to openly weep in front of my wife after work. I couldn't believe the difference in mood and ability to work. The constant bombardment of useless and irrelevant thoughts went away. I was able to start and easily finish a task without distraction. My ability to work improved so dramatically I even got a raise 4 months after starting Adderall.
I understand people abuse Adderall and I understand ADHD is overly diagnosed, but there are also real people activity suffering from ADHD and the struggle of ADHD is no laughing matter, and faking ADHD to get Adderall is disgusting.
couple things, starting with im sorry you had to go through untreated adhd I know how that feels. however, there is no evidence to support ADHD is overdiagnosed, some people do get misdiagnosed deliberate and not, but that's the same with everything. ADHD is lightly under diagnosed especially in women and being a spectrum less than half of ADHD people require medication at all with is not talked about. Secondly I understand that you are angry at the people that abuse adderall because it devaluates your experience and gives adhd a bad rep. However, it is affecting them much more than you and what usually happens is an adhd friend lets them try it and they get extremely addicted from a couple weeks of regular use, like any addiction people will go to great lengths to enable it. So using the word disgusting is a misjudgment and in my opinion anyway it's more a case of sad and possibly even selfish but not disgusting.
I was also on stratera and ain't been on medication in 15 years and I'm having all these problems
Straterra is the first medication I tried for treating my ADHD. It worked quite well at helping me focus, but unfortunately, my body 'rejects' the drug. No matter how low of a dose, and even after a couple months on the drug, I would get nausea and throw up every day.
Evidently, enough of the drug was metabolized before throwing up, since I obviously felt the effects. But yeah, not worth it. Vomiting every single day is not fun and it's not great for your health lol.
Glad you found a medication that works well for you. :) I am on Dexedrine (extended release), have been on it for years now. I take it primarily for ADHD and it also helps me manage my narcolepsy. Stimulants are life-changing medications for many people, in the best possible way.
I'm very happy to hear about your improvement. Hope things are still going well for you.
i was diagnosed this year at 31, on week two of ritalin and i did exaaaactly the same thing :')
I've got ADHD and stimulants help me sleep lol
how does that work bro, does it make you use up more energy during the day?
@@chheeesh1484 not really, all stimulants do is to make up for dopamine deficiencies an ADHD brain causes. With the right dose it can stop thoughts and ideas spinning around uncontrollably, making it easier to relax, leading to an easier time sleeping. I recommend you read up on it if you're interested, especially Russel Barkley
Ben England me too. Ritalin makes me sleep.
Same. I feel a slight increase in energy. But I sleep on it otherwise.
I use to think this was just a quirk of mine, i use to tell people i can drink coffee and sleep shortly after. Never thought about it being my adhd, makes sense really
Adhd here
Never slept right UNTIL I WAS GIVEN STIMULANTS!
It's not a cure but it will floor you the moment you realize how different your world is compared to everyone else.
hurts like hell knowing there was a name for why your different than others.
Much deeper than I hear talked about.
The social interactions, most end up asking why everyone treats us as outcasts so you embrace that coldness where no one matters.
The jobs youll lose, relationships sabotaged.
friends (you probably won't have any and sure to lose the ones you do have)
For me my mind plays through thousands of scenarios and plans to achieve goals, build new things or dive into a new obsession Daily. With the knowledge to carry out the goals
BUT YOU CANNOT GET YOUR BRAIN TO START
I once stayed up for 2 days building a blast cabinet when I had a boat to finish and sell because i lost my job. that boat had no need for a blast cabinet. Boat got finished 3 weeks late, I wouldn't spend 5 minutes on it. But yet for no advantage I'll weld and fabricate an awesome blast cabinet for 2 days no sleep..
NOT EVEN DISASTER CAN TRIGGER MOTIVATION.
THE ONLY THING I WILL DO WITHOUT HESITATION WITH CONTINUATION IS HUNTING AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS MOTORIZED ENDEAVORS
After I started taking ADHD meds, my sleeping improved significantly. Not to mention other things that I struggled with for almost 3 decades of my life.
What are you taking?
ADHD is real, at least in my own experience. It's just that the name ADHD, does not cover the complete spectrum of symptoms. And ADHD is not experienced as a problem by everyone. But it has to be conditioned and balanced to multiple degrees of structure. Regulating sleep patterns is one of these structures.
When I was diagnosed I questioned the 'reality/authenticity' of ADHD. One reason was because they said my 'hyperfocus' was a main sign of ADHD. I asked;
"hyper means too much right? And focus is synonymous with attention right? So you're saying I have too much attention and you're diagnosing me with a disorder characterised by a deficit in attention?"
Ironically, the stimulant ADHD medication helped to calm down my "hyperactive brain" and helped me sleep. I'd prescribe linguistics to the medical community but they say I talk too much because of my ADHD.
@@amante2443 the name is wrong -- the disorder is related solely to attention regulation deficit, not an attention deficit.
@@nuansd you're absolutely right. I wholeheartedly agree.
My apologies for not making that clear. I was hyperfocused on the situational irony.
@@nuansd I had hoped to point out to "them" that using wrong names (Attention Deficit, Stimulant, etc.) immediately makes everything paradoxical for patients, the public, and even other clinicians.
Speaking of names, your TH-cam name is really cool and really clever; very nuanced.
@@amante2443 ah yeah, totally agree. we need to really name things based off of what they do, and not how they present and affect other people.
joe "ive taken it a few time" rogan
Having my nightly vodka to ease off of my daily adderall.
What a life.
TheReal Nous Vodka?apparently it’s scotch and whisky or are they the same thing? Either way, though I’ll have a drink it’s certainly not my drug of choice. Poison never really was my thing.
Really?
TheReal Nous I do weed Rn why do people go to drinking for crashes? Just a question not attacking you or anything I’ve just never tried alcohol for that.
Your wrecking your liver mixing those two bro...
💀 if youre still doing this ur kidneys and liver are probably fucked pls find a safer alternative
The first time I took adderall I fell asleep in the middle of the day randomly after having a hard time sleeping every night… it felt like it gave my mind enough quiet to finally listen to my body’s internal exhaustion cues
You should get Dr. Russell Barkley on your show
👆🏼
Joe Rogan would figure out a way to make it sound like Dr. Barkley doesn't know what he's talking about. Pretty sure Dr. Barkley would freak out if his interviewer starts talking about abusing stimulants as a non ADHD sufferer, literally during the interview...
It's extremely common for people with ADHD to have sleep problems and even actual sleep disorders. These can make ADHD symptoms worse. I was diagnosed with sleep apnea when I was 6, had my tonsils and adenoids removed and it stoped my sleep apnea. When I was 8, no sleep problems, I was diagnosed with ADHD. I'm almost 34 now and still am severely impaired by ADHD. Sleep problems may cause ADHD like symptoms, but ADHD causes sleep problems. This is why it takes someone who is very competent doctor to diagnose ADHD. As for the stimulant medication, it's true that it can interfere with sleep. This is usually a sign of not tolerating the medication, typically do to too high of a dose, the improper metabolization of the medication, or taking it too late in the day. All of which can be adjusted. Just like sleep issues, ADHD is something that should not be taken lightly.
im subbed to your channel. love your content bro. really chill and calm :)
a combination of cbd oil , Tumeric milk at night, turning off all light a couple hours before bed (melatonin)meditation, lavender essential oil, Epsom salt bath and sleep hypnosis works for me. medication isn’t a long term fix remember that people
I have sleep problems. Possible Rem behaviour disorder. I have sleep app soon. And also being assessed for ADHD 🥲
@@Bbpow1111 Medication absolutely is a long-term solution for many people. Medication shouldn't be the only thing used to manage a condition; lifestyle change and interventions are very important in addition to drugs. A multi-modal approach is best.
It can be extremely challenging to make those important healthy lifestyle changes without the help of medication. Especially common with ADHD.
@@inanotherworld3270 What kinds of things do you do in your sleep, if you don't mind me asking? I believe I may have REM sleep behaviour disorder as well. I talk in my sleep A LOT; I sometimes scream and have woke up crying a few times. I have punched my partner a couple of times in my sleep as well, thankfully I am a small woman and not terribly strong lol.
I hope you find some answers and are able to resolve your sleep issues. It sucks not being able to control what you do while you're asleep.
I love stigmas they’re my fave so here’s my problem adhd meds to people who actually have it the meds do not speed you up, they bring you down slow your brain down. Make you think logically vs emotionally. ADHD you have an extremely low tolerance for frustration and boredom snap out of nowhere, anxiety, chronic depression, you don’t stay at jobs long, you don’t do anything long, don’t have a social life because you’re so worried all the time about what they think, if they like you etc. disorganized, forgetful, overshare, talk too much to avoid silence, high heart rate, low blood pressure, mostly males have it, you get it from one of your parents, impulsive behaviors. I mean our brains are wired incorrectly, our brains dump dopamine replenishes it dumps it again also our norepinephrine is out of whack this is legit science. YOU DO NOT OUT GROW IT! You don’t have to take traditional stimulants there are tons of other things. But even if you take stimulants you only dose 8 hours out of the day, most of the time, also they advise time off from your stimulant. Which is great you don’t have withdrawal you feel just extremely hyper. But the stimulants level out your blood pressure and heart rate levels your entire mentality, behavior, I can go on and on. Here’s the problem mainstream medicine sees a problem they want to fix it. Well mental health you can’t cure but you can treat and use therapy. My psychiatrist used to be a neurosurgeon for 16 years, then went into psycho therapy and psychiatry. He educates you with an entire course before medicating. Long mental evaluation. Psychiatry vaguely touch adhd so if they don’t specialize or study it specifically too then here are these stigmas.
I agree this is why I hate the people who say adhd is over diagnosed, or why I cringe when joe brought up people who use stimulants it only ends up hurting us with adhd. Adhd is over stigmatized and often over looked, and overly misunderstood by people who don't know anything about it. And as a scientist the guest should have a basic understanding of adhd.
This is the story of my life!
You on 30mg Adderall?
So I was diagnosed with adult ADHD, they gave me Add meds. My life got worse. So I was at the doctors one day discussing my problems and I just lucked out. The doctor I had just got back from a sleep seminar. So the doctor measured my neck. I have a thick neck as I am a powerlifter. He sent me to a sleep specialist who did a sleep study. Bam, I get a cpap and my life changed. All my ADHD symptoms went away. I had been trying to lose weight as well. I want to go from 110 kg (242lb) down to the 100 kg (220 lb) weight class but losing weight was really a struggle. Once I started sleeping all night losing weight became immensely easier. I went all the way down to 90 kg (198 lb) weight class. Losing 44lbs plus the cpap has changed my life and I am still as strong. Sleep apnea is killer if not treated.
david wagner long term sleep deprivation can cause ADD-like symptoms. Glad you got better!
david wagner Great info. Thank you.
Hi what is a cpap? And is it related to the tonsil problem that was talked about?
A CPAP is a device that forces oxygen into your mouth and nasal cavities so that you do not wake from your sleep from loss of oxygen. A very common problem in overweight people or people who have decided to keep their tonsils.
Agent G It stands for constant positive airway pressure. It’s a mask connected to a pump, and is set for a certain pressure level depending on the patient. The air being forced in to your mouth and nose stops the airway from closing during sleep which is what happens with someone with sleep apnea. They’re not the easiest thing to sleep with but the long term effects of untreated sleep apnea are much worse.
Joe Ro,
As some one with ADHD I can say for myself, I don’t take my medication like I should cause I’ve grown up since kindergarten taking it 2&1/2 times a day. Being 23 now and learning more about what’s in the medicine, and how it makes me feel, certain habits I get from it, feelings, blankness. I don’t like that for myself. I will say, marijuana and micro dosing magic mushrooms, and expelling the “hyper ness” with executing it for my music, exercising, and even solves the emotional background of ADHD. Granted the addys and the riddilin or what ever helps but it isn’t a natural feeling for me.
Yeah I have ADHD and I used to take a higher dose of adderall and it would cause me to lose sleep. It’s definitely a thing
This podcast was sooo good!!
Great Enjoy
If you're medicated for adhd, you definitely have to time your stimulant so it wears off before bed time. I had really poor sleep patterns and taking stimulants for adhd actually helped, because I used to sleep during the day from being so unerstimulated. Then I couldn't sleep when I was supposed to.
Exactly!! When I don’t take my adderall I get SO sleepy during the day and it messes my sleep up the way you just described. When I do take it I sleep from midnight to 7 am without any issues
Am I the only one who think he looks like young Chuck Norris when he had blondish hair? Think "the Octagon"
hahaha same as me he must be Chucks son lol
Lol Yes Texas Ranger with young Carroll from Walking Dead
Well, his name IS Walker...
Derrick jay dead Ringer.
Far be it from me to argue with this chap, as he's obviously an expert in his field and a damn sight more intelligent than me... buuuuut people with ADHD taking stims don't (first few doses aside maybe) suffer with loss of sleep. All the meds do is normalise the brain function; ADHD is basically caused insufficient dopamine, or regulation thereof. It's a problem with executive functioning.
The meds, within ADHD sufferers, bring that in to line. So yes, it is a stimulant but it doesn't affect ADHD brains as it would a non-ADHD brain. A non ADHD brain would have a surplus of dopamine, hence struggles with sleep. An ADHD brain is just stimulated gently into working better.
I'm not very coherent here because I'm typing this whilst dealing with many interruptions, but source: I'm 34 years old and was recently diagnosed with severe ADHD (honestly at first I thought it was a load of nonsense) but I can confirm that my brain both works better now, and I actually benefit from far better sleep.
Edit: I'm on a fairly high dose of lisdexamfetamine, so by now I'm well acquainted with stims. Quite frankly my life was, and would continue to be, a total chaos fuck without them.
I wonder sometimes if I have ADHD. I can’t focus and I can’t sleep but I’m tired all the time. I can sleep anywhere for a nap. But I can’t sleep at night. I take naps during the day when I’m overwhelmed with what I have to do. I wake up every night at 4 or 2. Life is boring for me. I have analysis paralysis. I stopped brushing my teeth or fixing my hair because the repetitiveness of those activities is annoying. I do brush and fix my hair when it gets super gross tho. Showering is fine I enjoy how I can zone out and day dream in the shower. I begin to wash my body 10 to 15 mins later after I’ve gotten my fill of zoning out. There’s so much more. I do things last min, everything from homework to packing for moving days. (I’m not in school anymore) I do the tasks for my job last min, I’m scared they’ll fire me but I can’t help it. The tasks are extremely easy but I have no motivation to do them, then I stress all night about them and repeat the process again the next day. I am not sure if I have ADHD. I’m 35 and it feels like I can’t get my shit together.
@@serenesista - if it is at all possible, it's worth getting screened for it. I can honestly say that, even though it has been a bittersweet realisation (a lot of 'what ifs' etc.), the quality of my life has improved dramatically since being medicated.
I can focus without much issue, my mind is calm and clear. I'm also starting to build a better foundation for myself - I've even begun work with an ADHD specialist coach.
Best of luck to you 👍
Thanks Correndous Hunt. I’m seeing a doctor on July 6th. Fingers crossed 🤞they take me seriously. 💊
@@serenesista - I hope they do! Take care 😊
@@pauljackson112 This is so great to hear. I'm an adult who after looking at ADHD symptoms for my child began realizing that many of the things I've suffered with throughout my entire life fall plainly in the severe ADHD spectrum. Sometimes I guess it takes seeing it from a different perspective to realize it (when I realized that so many things I noticed in my child I also currently experience). The only thing is that I've developed a whole host of coping mechanisms ad-hoc throughout my life, but it is a daily struggled. The thought that my child might not have to go through the same things that I did is wonderful. But of course, I need to take care of myself as well. Did you see a general practitioner or a psychiatrist first?
It’s unbelievable how much I procrastinate now. That being coupled with a tendency to get addicted to anything makes for a bad combination. I think the best solution for me is to introduce new habits and less screen time. People don’t factor in technology when it comes to ADHD. There are certain hormonal effects that watching screens I have a feeling that they are more detrimental for someone with ADHD
Are you on medical/therapy treatment? My ADHD got so bad in the last couple years that I got diagnosed for ADHD the first time in my 50s. (It's a real diagnosis. The meds are working like they should. I was able to cope until now while leaving a path of destruction my my personal relationships...)
Yeah do things like shuffle cool videos into short to medium play list and limit yourself to one per sitting on a game or something. That helps me and if I make them about the same topic I find I can absorb a lot of information passively while enjoying whatever game
I was diagnosed with adhd and if you really need to sleep that one night as a last resort weed always worked for me, but careful it became a habit by doing it every night I started to lose a lot of energy and motivation (reduced sleep quality), I decided to quit a few days ago but damn it's hard to sleep. I'm typing this after pulling an unvoluntary all nighter
Same boat homie, it's a struggle! the process of delayed gratification is not a natural strength for us
this is not a good idea because smoking weed makes your rem sleep not activate, and rem sleep is when your brain is worked on the most and your memory is worked on thats why some people dont have as good memory when they smoke, thats why i smoke during the day
I have ADHD too, and bad sleeping habit was daily basis.
Have you tried melatonin pills? It helped me, but now I prefer Sleep Aid by Kirkland coz the effect is more instant.
I found it's easier to sleep when I'm physically tired/exhausted. Take up hobbies that keep you moving or (shudder), exercise. ( I don't know about you guys but physical exercise feels like a waste of time even though I know it isn't. It gives me the same mental reaction as waiting in line)
Getting less sleep makes my ADD significantly worse, but it doesn't cause it
DANG JOS In a good or a bad way?
Michaela S-W Bad
DANG JOS in what way exactly? 👩⚕️
Hey guess what? Scientifically speaking, you don’t fucking know that haha. Allow me to demonstrate what you just did.
“I have ADHD” - you
“Some cases of ADHD are actually just sleep disorders caused by physical barriers in the throat” - joe’s guest
Then, you do this...
“Well I have ADHD but nahh mine isn’t caused by sleep. “ -you
And boom. You believe that just as strongly as someone who was told the same info by a doctor. The problem is you never saw a doctor to make that decision. You just assumed you knew enough about “my condition” and “I know my own body”. It’s all bullshit
@@joshchristian636 wow good job bud, your parents must be proud huh? "haha"
Ironically watching this while i should be in bed
MauricioMartinez0707 haha same
What a great clip. Very informative.
A YOUNG CHUCK NORRIS!?
Really enjoyed this podcast.
We need Matt back!
Man its been so long since I heard anything about ADHD. Totally forgot about the dopamine deficiancy stuff.
I'd even say this is the biggest problem with ADHD.
anyone else see a young Chuck Norris?
Dustin H i think its the denim
Indo
Interesting correlation - the symptoms of ADHD and sleep deprivation are definitely similar, so this is something good to call out.
I have ADHD and I can say that a lack of sleep at night significantly makes my symptoms worse
If ADHD disappears, you were misdiagnosed. I was diagnosed in 2nd grade because I was different then all the boys in my class. To this day I am still different. I am 16 and when I'm off my meds I act like a smart 9 year old. Everyone in my class finds me annoying. I have trouble making and keeping friends. Btw blame my diagnosis on a doctor I have been to a psychiatrist more than I can count.
Same
ADHD and ASD have some really similar symptoms, have a look into it?
To the best of my knowledge people with ADHD usually have difficulty sleeping because their neurotransmitters Norepinephrine, Serotonin, Acetylcholine, GABA all affect their sleep. So its a bit more complicated
i am one of the portion of kids who thought they had adhd but really it was just a tonsil problem when i sleep cause i always sleep with my mouth open
I have ADHD and I am given a blood pressure medication that I take before I go to bed that combats the stimulant I take.during the day. I've been using the same medications during the day and at night for almost 10 years and my sleep is fine. If any ADHD guys out there struggle with sleep ask your doctor about adding a blood pressure medication. I've been taking the same blood pressure medication since I was a kid now I'm my early 20s and it works like a charm every night.
What kind of stimulant do you take for your ADHD? And what's the name of the blood pressure medicine? I'm asking because I just started taking Vyvanse, after almost a year off Ritalin. This one feels very different in both good and bad ways, thing is that I can't fall asleep. Sleep was easier on fast-acting Ritalin, although other side effects were so severe at one point I'm not intending to look back. I like Vyvanse so far, even though the starting dose is 20 mg, and I want to find a solution to the insomnia.. Maybe it'll sort itself out when I reach a higher dosage? How was your journey with all this? I'm hopeful but confused. :-S
@@Ofthevalleyofthewindmethylphenidate is the stimulant I take which is similar to Ritalin also called concerta. I take clondine at night and it's only 0.1 mg. I take usually one but I can take up to 2 and I can usually fall asleep within 15 minutes or a little more other than I have to be in bed within that time or else it won't work that well. Hope this helps !
That's kinda strange unless you have a history of heart problems?
I wish Joe Rogan would make a deal with either Twitch or TH-cam to bring his full length podcast on either TH-cam or Twitch.
Uh, his full length podcasts are on youtube?
Magnesium, Kratom, and kava kava help me sooo much for sleep.
what is Kratom an what does it do?
i have learning disabilities since childhood so i can relate to those who have adhd but i have never in my life taking meds for it because i believe in overcoming it just like working out to improve my brain that could take time
Always had trouble sleeping, had my tonsils removed and still had trouble sleeping, found out at a later date that I've had ADHD all my life...x
What's really wild is that genetics play into how much stimulants actually help with sleep deprivation. There is a SNP, rs4680 (a genetic switch) that spells out how fast the brain/body breaks down catecholamines like dopamine, adrenaline, and norepinephrine. People who have the fast version (val/val) get a HUGE boost from modafinil and amphetamine, whereas the slow catecholamine metabolism (met/met) people generally get a much lower response, some don't even respond to modafinil at all. There are studies that clearly show statistical significance here, but it's not very widely known at all - I suspect because if it was known, drug manufacturers would be potentially looking at less sales.
Ritalin/dexadrih not only prevented my sleeping, but massively suppressed my appetite. I would be sp hungry my stomach would physically hurt, and yet the idea of eating was nauseating.
I just stopped taking the pills in Jr high, and started self medicating otherwise. It was crazy how in high-school everyone wanted the drugs i was supposed to take, but couldn't stand.
As someone with ADHD, if your comment is longer than like 50 words, I get bored and move on. GET TO THE POINT IN YOUR COMMENTS PEOPLE!!!
Hearing about people popping Modafinil all day is scary to me, medically at least. In clinical trials they had people take daily doses of 200mg, 400mg, 600mg, and 800mg. They found that 600 and 800 didn’t give any more of an energy boost, and actually can raise blood pressure and cause heart problems.
I have ADD - I'm not on meds - I can't f'ing sleep 0-0
same bro i gotta stay up till 4am and wake at 12-3pm cant change it rn, been unemployed since leaving school due to my intention/attention deficit
That is frightening hearing what this expert has to say but good to know
I've been taking Xyrem (Sodium Oxybate) for almost a year now. It's basically GHB. This has had a huge, positive, impact on my ADD.
bluebke how does it work? I've taken several non-stimulants and they always make me tired or nauseous and don't affect my ADD at all
Sodium Oxybate (Xyrem) is taken at night - on an empty stomach - right before bed and then again 3 hours later.
Within about 15 minutes you are in a heavy, deep sleep.
Xyrem increases slow wave sleep throughout the night so you wake up feeling extremely well rested. I've been on stimulants for about 12 years and once I started Xyrem I was able to reduce my adderall dose from 60mg per day down to 15mg.
Instead of taking stimulants to increase my alertness, I'm addressing a root cause....poor sleep quality.
Another benefit of Xyrem is that it will increase growth hormone secretion in your body. This melted fat off me for the first couple months and my weight dropped from 280lbs to 265lbs.
@@aaronhelmsman Really? Well then they might be effecting you but not your add because i have a similar experience but i have adhd
You do know that stimulants actually can help with sleep when you have ADHD?
Thanks for posting that. I was just about to. Anyone who says they can't sleep with adderall, those people do not truely have adhd. Or they are less likely too.
I could agree more
@@sburns90 Hey man, i find that if i take my meds earlier on in the day and they have worn off by the time I am asleep, I can sleep fine as I feel more relaxed and able to rest. with this said though, if my medication is still in my system at bedtime, while i can fall asleep, i find myself waking up a few hours after falling alseep and then struggle to fall asleep for the next 5-6 hours even though the medication is only supposed to last for 4 hours. i know its weird but It has been happening for a while now.
Puts me to sleep. I love it
The problem with someone like Joe stating his experience on stimulants is that if you don't have ADHD, those stimulants literally don't have the same effect on your brain.
I dont take stimulants to keep me awake and alert like he does when driving. I take it to quiet my over-working brain.
If u have adhd and take stimulants before bed it can help u sleep if u actually have it as it calms people with adhd down
Nawww bruh it dont really work like that, sure it makes u calmer but it makes sleeping harder
Man Johnny Quest looks ooooolllllddddd
I have sleep disordered adhd due to orthodontic treatment. It's complicated but I was born with a type 3 tongue tie; left untreated it affects how your face develops usually causing a recessed jaw that is typically treated with extractions and braces (orthodontic camouflage).
This makes your mouth smaller, in my case the size of a ten year old child's, and means one's mouth is now too small for their tongue. This has resulted in my having sleep apnea and uars, adhd, and postural problems like forward head posture affecting breathing, walking, swimming and everything else and causes back, hip and joint pain. NEVER get extractions, orthodontists have no idea what they are doing, they're simply in it to create long term paying customers.
As someone who has had ADHD from an extremely young age, the best way to desribe it is the average brain goes 50MPH, but someone with ADHD is going 120MPH.
On one hand, it does help with calculating faster, but on the other hand it can lead to insomnia.
Joe “Pharm drugs bad, snake oil good” Rogan
There are many natural ways to gain certain chemicals to balance or to adjust.
i stopped the medication because i didn't feel like myself, i felt somehow less. i wouldn't advice people to stop their medication but in my case i felt empty
lol tuned out halfway through
Ben taken magnesium vitamins and noticed the mental chatting before going off to sleep has greatly changed and less stiff muscles. Better rested sleep
I found that sleeping same time everyday helps!
This is a joke, right?
@@shitney420 ???
@@shitney420 NO
They don’t understand how unhealthy it is. Cuz they’re hooked for life
Midday adhd meds have led to many afternoon naps in this house. Maybe because it helps quiet the mind and stop the hunt for dopamine.
Bro, my sleep has been shit for awhile. Without coffee and adderall I can easily sleep 15+hrs a day without waking for anything.
I've got ADHD when I was younger I would literally goes 2 days without sleeping until my eyes were closing on their own. I just couldn't go to sleep up until I was 16 and smoked some weed for the first time😂
I have ADHD & insomnia. Stimulants make sleep even worse
I know this guy says you need 8 hrs sleep per night but once I got my sleep apnea straightened out I was back to sleeping only 6.5 hrs a night. I do not even set an alarm clock. I go to bed every night at 10 pm and wake up refreshed at 4:30 am. I average less than 2 sleep apnea events per hour of sleep according to my machine. I have tried to go back to bed after 6.5 hrs and I just lay their. Weekends are the same.
david wagner sleep depends largely on age and quality, along with personal factors. A small portion (everyone thinks it's them) of the population can get by on less sleep. The older you get, the less sleep you need. By contrast, teenagers need the most sleep.
A misconception that ADHD medication acts the same way as a stimulant on an ADHD brain vs a Neurotypical brain. Stimulants help me sleep in 3 ways,
1: it enables me to get up earlier to start my day because it helps me figure out how to start my day, stay on one task until it is completed, and continue to begin and complete subsequent tasks (ie. helps me use my brain more for longer periods of time. )
2: Because of point 1, I'm able to maintain a more consistent sleep schedule which helps me achieve better sleep hygiene.
3: Because ADHD brains have issues with controlling thought, commonly at night our brains are constantly jumping from thought to thought without being able to silence it. This is commonly misdiagnosed as an anxiety disorder. The stimulant helps my brain remain on one thought for long periods of time, allowing it to calm down and "focus" on sleeping. (in fact, my first time taking medication I became extremely relaxed and began to sleep 2 hours after and woke up roughly 20 hours after taking the medication. )
Jon Windle I have the same feeling with my ADHD meds. Stimulants actually center me compared to my friends which hypes them up. Good post. Gives good info out there.
which medication are you on?
Dextroamphetamine and vyvanse
I for sure have ADHD and the couple times ive tried Addy I felt less "geeked" than my friends but at the same time sleep was difficult.. at least in my personal experience. I had taken them at later times during the day so by the time the effects wore off (the next day) I felt tired but still unable to sleep.
I did some reading when I first took it, the reason why I was tired (apparently) is that I had been sleep deprived for so long. Once I was getting adequate sleep I had to ensure that I took the medication early enough to not have any trouble sleeping. Adderal is different then Vyvanse as it is metabolically harder on your body even if it is Spansules.
When it comes to what you described about "the next day". Your body is still running off of the fluctuations of hormones in your body. As the new day came, depending on the time and date, your body produced more "wake up" hormones as the sunlight began to rise. Additionally, it is super important to analyze your diet very closely, including your water consumption. I've noticed that for me personally if I don't have a breakfast that is high in fat, and dietary fiber before or when I take the medication I will have a harder time sleeping as the uptake and excretion of the medication is much sharper. This causes some of my physiology to resemble anxiety and a weird feeling at the end of the day. As the rapid loss of the medication makes it harder for my body to rebalance the hormones. This can sometimes cause me to fall asleep later then I intend.
There is also a lot of information about magnesium that helps sleep, aswell as vitamin B complex supplements. However, I have yet to see how these affect me. But if you google there is a bit of info on it in some ADHD forums.
@Cody Womack
Best sleep of my life is on Adderall. No caffeine effect for me
I have posted before on the subject of glutathione. I take 2 - 4ml of liposomal glutathione (the food supplement is suspended in liposomes) in the morning and it greatly improves REM sleep the following night. This is the sleep that should come in the early morning along with imaginative dreams. Don’t buy the cheapest brand.
Anyone else in here with adhd that fall asleep when using stimulants like coffee or adhd medication?
I tried going off ADHD meds since I have been on them for years, only to realize why I am not like these people who take them to clean or cram homework. It keeps me from hyper focusing which I would abandon my family and life in a heartbeat if I was hyper focused on something that made more sense at the time than being married. It has a grounding effect which it does not do for people who don’t have ADHD. So they can’t understand. Drink caffeine or take an ice bath. Bruh, if I stop taking it, I could carve the statue of David and tune out the world.
I think people need to reduce their caffeine if they are having issues sleeping.
Lol, i have ADHD and stimulants don't keep me awake. I sleep better after a cup of coffee. ADHD brains are different from typical brains, stimulants affect us differently.
I am an insomniac. I was even born at 11:58 PM I have to take Adderall during the day and then I have to work out really heavy at night to think about if I’m even going to go to sleep. I’m considering taking Lunesta.
im homeshooled and cant focus on my homework. im 2 years behind and its so hard to focus i get frustrated. i gotta see a doctor soon fuck my life.
Hope you’re ok man. Love & peace 2 U. I got it 2.
It is tragic how many children are diagnosed and tossed with medication whilst their brains are still developing! It's damaging to the kids.
Stimulants make some people with ADHD fall sleep. They aren’t a stimulant for some ADHD patients, they are a sedative. I take my ADHD medicine to get to sleep at night.
Who taking adderall doesn't know that if you take it after noon it will interfere with sleep? He said prescribed to take in the afternoon and evening. I don't think he has spoken to many people using Adderall for ADHD.
The short clip of this is counterintuitive to the subject itself. Not really enjoying the snippets as much as ai used to when I didnt actually want to sit and listen. to JRE for an hour or two. but this is what got me there so. keep it up, just kindof annoying sometimes lol
I used to grow my own weed end self medicate but now I developed CHS ( canabinoid hypermesis syndrome ) ... going to try different things again .. used to take relatin 40 mg
What episode is this on Joe Rogan??? 😮
I got addicted to kratom and I had to quit because I got hurt and those were some bad withdrawals and now I'm dealing with my second alcohol relapse even though it's not an adhd med it still helped more then any of my adhd meds. I just have an addictive personality but my first adhd med was Ritalin and I was 6 when put on it
Vyvance works really well too.
When joe is outside the politics side of things he is alright to listen to.
Wow. I had no idea Chuck Norris was so knowledgeable
Has anyone's vision improved after taking ADHD medication? Because your vision might be tied to your focus and so when you focus better you can 'see' better? I'm curious to know as this is a theory of mine. I have not been on meds but I suspect ADHD and wonder if my vision issues which I can't figure out by going to an optician are related.
Kind of coincidental, when I started having severe focusing and motivation issues, my vision also got blurry almost instantly one day out of no where, and has stuck ever since. Prior to that day I had perfect vision. I literally told my mom, “if something weird happens I’m probably having a stroke, I’m seeing double right now out of nowhere.” Went to the highest rated eye doctor in my city because I was freaked out. And after an hour of testing and consultation they found nothing wrong besides saying I needed glasses.
@@johnmoore1495 Are you now wearing glasses and if you are does it help and what is the prescription?
@@Charlie-eq3dj no, I was supposed to have additional testing done, they tried to set me up with glasses but because I knew there’d be additional tests, I told them I’d wait. But this place was expensive and not covered under my insurance and at the time I didn’t have money so I put it off and just kind of got used to it. It hasn’t gotten worse but it definitely still interferes with reading and spotting objects when people point stuff out. What makes me think it’s not something wrong with the shape of my eye (why you normally need glasses) is because it changes. Some days can be really bad like that first day and some days it’s not really noticeable.
@@johnmoore1495 Does you diet have anything to do with it? For example if you would eat fried food which is terrible for the brain, would you notice your vision change? Or have you ever done a few days only on juices or water and if you have, have you noticed a change?
@@Charlie-eq3dj in terms of vision I haven’t noticed anything with my diet affecting it. I’ve water fasted and one some keto, when doing those I feel way more mentally clear, but it doesn’t affect my vision.
bro I have adhd and I sleep much better when i take stimulants
It's weird, my doctor has no problem prescribing any kind of amphetamine or methylphenidate but WONT prescribe me Modafinil...I wonder why?
I am 25 and ADHD has been a controlling component in my life ever since I can remember. I fucking HATE it. My GERD and chronic gastritis make it impossible to keep pills down of really any kind so every day is a battle with being able to think properly. I feel like over the years my ADHD has molded into a form of Neurosis. If you don't think ADHD is real get a fucking clue and go do some research.
I dont have adhd or add ( never went to the doctor). Concerta makes my head go ”quiet” and makes me laser focused..No problem sleeping If im just taking 54mg
Im taking it to work better btw (call center agent)
Concerta for me helps me but it makes me depressed so uhh yeah no
I don't take people seriously when they say they have ADHD.
good for you
Still how has time to sleep 8 to 10 hours a night ? I get maybe 30 hours of sleep a week I am that busy cant do anything about it .
People are different
For me taking Ritalin or having a coffee or 2 forces my brain to get all its work out during the day leaving it no energy to kick into high gear come bed time
I was pumped full of Ritalin starting at age 7 ..that wud make the year 1985. We are talking 3x a day , 30 mg morning 15mg lunch andb10mg pm .. this went on til I was 18 and legally cud stop taking them .. Now I'm 44 and it's difficult for me to focus on one thing from day to day .. it's almost like my thoughts don't carry on to the next day and each day is starting from level 1...
anybody knows the episode# or the guest's name?
Matthew Walker
I could still nap on adderall , or focus and work.
Take my Adhd meds to help me sleep, works well.
When you have adhd stimulants have the opposite effect. When I tried cocaine i ended up taking a nap. Caffeine has never had any effect on me