//you voided the sabenza warranty buy flicking it open lol// Actually, Chris Reeves himself said they flick the knife open during assembly. He said it pushes everything to its furthest point, so you get a better lockup. I'll link the video with him saying it. It's at the 33:39 mark in the video. th-cam.com/video/RZGb-juKPlU/w-d-xo.html
That’s hilarious but you can thumb flick the knife out all you want and still keep your warranty. wrist flicks however will void it because they generate substantially more force and over time it will dent the blade stop / blade
Great choice. Cts-xhp steel has great edge retention and is pretty wear resistant. And of course the triad lock makes the knife nearly indestructible.
People buying Sebenzas are paying for the name. It's a knife. With a handle & a blade. That's it. You can make the lock feel as smooth as you damn well please. But if the handle can't support 45 pounds you wasted your money. Unless you're just gonna sit in your house and open & close it. If you get $400 worth of enjoyment from opening a pocket knife go for it. But I think it's rather obvious that those Sebenzas aren't actually "locking".
It is what it is...frame locks are weird since they have early lock ups for the most part. But hey that tri-ad lock rocks. I wish you tested the code 4 all the way
You were being super respectful in the beginning even going as far as to say it may be the best liner lock... then the catastrophic failure happened... twice.. It almost makes it seem like you were being super sarcastic about it being the measuring stick. lol. I'm not in anyway saying that was your intent but it made the video pretty funny. I own a code 4 and love it. I carried my recon for a long time until I got my code 4. now that the 4 max is out!?!... geez I want that knife.. you should test the 4 max against some full tang knives, they may be the only knives that could compete!! keep up the videos!
I just want to let Cold Steel know that I have nothing but respect for this gentleman and the way he very easily made his comments about the competition making sure to respectfully let everybody know that hey this is still a fantastic and world-famous knife and I'm not saying it's no good I'm just saying it hasn't passed a couple tests that our knife past that's all. And I think that deserves nothing but respect. Thank you Andrew hats off to you. and so you know I buy Cold Steel and then love Cold Steel and that's due to people like you thank you sir.
Sebenza fan here (and an even bigger fan of logic)... yes, the CS (at least by this video) holds up to spine whacks better than the Sebenza. However, if you're an actual daily knife user and not someone prepping for an apocalypse that will never come, you already know that these types of stresses are actually of no concern to real-world knife use. If for some reason you have a preference for knives that perform unnecessary tasks then the Sebenza isn't for you. "Sebenza" means "work"... as in a tool for general daily work... I don't know what the zulu word for "apocalypse survival death hammer" is but if Chris Reeve made a knife for that task then that is probably what it would be called. Again, if you don't trust your own ability to properly handle a knife and not lop off your fingers with 50lbs of backwards force, buy the Cold Steel. Yes, I repeat, the Cold Steel is superior in backwards lock retention, that is apparently a fact.... but when was the last time you needed to lift your recliner with your knife? I have nothing against CS and I applaud their efforts to create features and standards for their products at such a high level but this particular feature is simply not one that matters to me or how I use my knife. I view this test the same as when someone compares one camera that can burst shoot 10 frames verse a camera that can burst shoot 20 frames. Sure, the 20 frames is impressive, but the majority of users will have very little use for that feature. I didn't buy my Sebenza for extreme use. I bought it for it's daily work performance, superb craftsmanship, ease of maintenance, and my personal preference for its design, size, and function. After 3 years of heavy but appropriate daily use in a warehouse, in a brewery, in my art studio, while camping, canoeing, fishing, whittling, carving, etc.. it has never failed me.
I assume you willfully missed the point in order for your wisecrack to work? Sebenzas are not intended to be the toughest knife or lock out there. That is not the point of a Sebenza. The Sebenza is essentially one of the only flawlessly manufactured knives on the market. Out of the $1000's of dollars worth of knives I own, my Sebenza is the only one that does not have to be tweaked, tightened, or adjusted once in a while to recenter the blade or tighten up a loose pivot. Even other knives I own in the same price range as my Sebenza I had to lock-tite the pivot screws to keep the tension adjusted properly. Which also means everytime I take them apart to clean or lube them I have to spend time getting the tension just right, lock-tite'ing the screw, and letting it sit for a few hours while it sets. I don't have to do that with my Sebenza because the manufactured tolerances are so perfect. It goes back together exactly as it is suppose to and functions exactly as it is supposed to every single time.
no name yeah my 50$ tenacious doesn't need tweaking, my cold steel voyager doesn't need tweaking, my benchmade griptillian doesn't need tweaking hell my 15$ ganzo doesn't even need tweaking yet is still more durable than the sebenza.
no name my local knife store does and i tried it yeah sure its a bit smoother than any of my knives but come on your'e paying 400$ just so your knife is a little smooth?
Great video! However, I believe the theory behind a framlock is so that your grip would not allow the lock to slip under load. I believe that if you could somehow mimic the handle being griped, it would be a better comparison. The Code 4 would still win by a huge margin anyway though, just saying.
I have a sebenza and I love it! Obviously it may not be the most hard use knife, but there are lots of things that make it great. After watching this video it wouldn't be my first choice for anything super demanding, but for most people's uses(opening packages and mail and such), I think it does its job rather well.
Yawn.... Benchmade Adamas. I have said it in the last 5 vids. Shit you would probably still win, but not giving a true contender a shot seems like you scared or you filmed it and lost.
I've had an Adamas, and comparable Cold Steel products offer a better strength to weight ratio. I can get a Recon 1 in CTS XHP (basically stainless D2) that is 2 oz. lighter, just as strong, if not stronger, and easier to maintain in the field because no omega springs.
You could tell Andrew was surprised as hell when that CRK fails, though, I would have expected more outta it too. But the Tri-Ad lock is unbeatable! How about an SMF?
Best value for money folders on the market, I trust my life with some of these folders. They have never let me down. keep making them the way you do and keep testing them on camera. Every time I watch you test one I'm like a addict and need to buy another.
I have a Medium Voyager and Recon 1. I would stake my life on the performance of both of them if God forbid I ever needed them. Thank you Andrew and Lynn.
Cold steel is no way close to a sebenza at all. They are completely different types of knives. And you should already know that the triad lock is stronger. It's a badass lock. But is it as nice of a knife overall.... Not even close. I have numerous cold steel knives but guess who never goes in my pocket when I pack up and leave for the day. Yep you guessed it. All of the cold steel knives stay home. If I wanted to take a knife that I want to beat around and not care because it only costs 130 then yeah I'd take a cold steel. Crk are much much much higher quality than cold steel. Not even comparable. Not by a mile.
@@gordonbombay6627 by material standards and tolerance yes.. for lock strength and usability no.. cold steel can do it all... may not be the most beautiful knife ever but still. Spend money where it matters. Want Titanium and a high end steel?? Go with TwoSun. Chris Reeve knives are overrated for the materials used. Give credit to hi developing an iconic lock but come on. He's been beat by better knives now!
@@kyleburton7394 i disagree. People who buy a crk arent buying it to go beat it around. They are buying because they have money and want a great knife. Not every knife is meant for every job. Just like not every car is for street racing. Two totally different types of lock. That triad lock will beat every frame lock there is. Just physics. But cold steel is not a better company they do not have better materials and they do not have better quality control or customer service. When comparing cold steel to crk the only thing they have is that lock. In fact I'd even say cold steel only has that lock. Because using the logic in this video there are many knives that would beat out cold steel if they didn't use that lock. But their s35v isn't like other s35v steel. their heat treat is all over the place and I don't trust it. My recon one got all chipped on some plastic strap. Guess how many problems I've had with a crk. Zero. Absolutely none. Not only that what knife company sends a tool to take apart their product so you can do your own maintenance without voiding their amazing warranty. Give you a hint it's not cold steel. Cold steel is a great product for the money. But without Andrew demko they wouldnt be anything special. Crk knives are well put together with great materials and aren't meant for hard use. If you want a knife that you can rely on for day to day things that don't include slamming your knife around like a monkey than you can not do better than a crk. Everyone complains about their price but I have knives that cost 3 times as much or more and they aren't meant for hard use either. That's what a disposable cold steel is for. Or a full tang blade is for. Now im not saying cold steel is a bad product. They aren't. But to compare that cold steel knife with a sebenza is quite laughable. Also another thing to think about is how easy they are to work on. A crk is very easy to take apart and clean up whereas a cold steel with it's pins are not nearly as easy. I also don't see a well maintained cold steel knife lasting as long as a maintained crk. Apples and oranges all the way around. The take out here for you should be a 130 dollar cold steel is better at certain jobs than a crk where a crk is better in certain areas than a cold steel. Also if you damage or loose a cold steel no biggie just buy three more. A crk is a heirloom quality knife that isn't meant to be beat around. Not every knife is meant for that. Case and point a William Henry knife. They are pocket jewelry and heirloom pieces like a crk. Only in this instance a crk is much more usable than a William Henry. Apple and oranges. But I will never concede to saying that a cold steel knife is in anyway better than a crk. They just have a better lock. With shitty g10 or shitty aluminum scales. And some sketchy s35v. They serve a purpose I'll say that at least. I have too many. Knives to talk about from shitty beaters like ganzo or worse yet crkt all the way to William Henry knives and some custom bark rivers knives and some nice midtechs. And the knife I carry every single day is either my sebenza 21 or my pm2 or my alpha beast when I want to scare people. But I never carry my recon one or my American lawman or my 4 Maxx. I will say that I carry my demko knives sometimes tho. Not cold steel but demko customs. But I always come back to the sebenza
@@gordonbombay6627 valid points. However isnt the sebenza is marked as a working man's knife? Shouldn't it be able to withstand all kinds of scenarios? Sure, if I were to buy one I'd treat it as a grail, but the fact in the way it is marketed makes it seem like a workhorse when in at least one key area, the lock.. it is not for every task. We may be nitpicking here but I just cant justify the price of a sebenza when their are other alternatives that imo are better. Not saying cold steel is better just the fact that their are better knives out there suited for hardwork or a tactical situation
@@kyleburton7394 hard-working for a folding pocket knife has a different meaning to knife makers than it does Joe schmo TH-camr knife tester. Batoning was never meant to be done by a folding knife. And sebenzas are not meant for that either. They are also not tactical or meant to be tactical. Hard use tasks for a pocket knife would be rope cutting and feather sticking things like that. Batoning and prying are not a folding knife job. So if you baton with any folding knife you're likely going to be overusing you're folder. Most TH-camrs do it to show people in a shtf situation. Which again knife makers don't make high end folders with a shtf scenario in mind. There are better options out there for that like full tang knives for that. Also when buying a sebenza or any crk it's not about getting the toughest most over built knife. It's about buying a knife with God like tolerances and built with an eye for detail. A knife that was built and designed with care and a person's everyday needs in mind. It's been brutalized in other videos doing hard everyday use tasks. And throwing it into a crude pendulum built in a garage meant to put a lock through it pases is not a test people should be taking seriously. Because that is more pressure than anyone is going to put on that knife. Great that the tri ad lock can do it but it's not something your knife will ever have to go through when using it for everyday tasks. Talon SEI puts into words that most people would understand. He brings up watches as a comparison. Like why would anyone buy a Rolex for 10k when a 100 dollar Casio g shock does the exact same thing. Because you're buying something high end and its nice to have and to show off and to boast a little. You're buying it for it's legendary technology and its tolerances. Not to go into a doomsday camping trip and to put it through a hell test. There are much better knives for that like full tang knives again. Or a 130 dollar knife no one cares about breaking because too much of this swinging death test will break any knife even ones with a triad lock Same with batoning. Too much batoning will destroy a folding knife. Including one with a triad lock.
Truck yeah!! Keep doing these tests!!!! Do all of the over built folders please! Let's put them all to the test. Direware, Chaves, Hoback, ZT, etc. Run through them all. Let's see if the hype holds up!
I'd bet that high resolution videos of close-up high-speed slow-motion video of the spine whack test would be highly instructional to knife designers. If someone published such things, I'd bet that the widespread availability of that information alone would cause a revolution in folding knife design.
The Sebenza 21 is my grail knife. This is the first TH-cam knife video I've seen that truly impacted my view of something I already held in high regard. I'm just dumbfounded
+Christopher Peace don't worry about it man, first off their not hard use knives, and second, there is no hand holding the lock bar... that is the intended purpose of the intergral/frame lock. The reason it failed is 2 fold. The number 1 point is, there is no hand to hold the knife under these hard uses, which will keep the lock from slipping out. Number 2, frame locks are built to break in, the lock up gets better as they go! So by all means, buy one, you won't regret it.
The lock-bar on a framelock is meant to be gripped--prevents the lockbar from slipping out. So the spinewhack test is pointless in this situation. That said, love that Cold Steel is engineered to withstand this abuse.
What do I fault Cold Steel for? *For not making this video fourteen years earlier and the Tri-Ad lock - it would have saved me money on my Sebenza 2000!* _Cold Steel: Destroying the competition, exposing the posers, creating buyer's remorse, and hurting resale values everywhere, since 1980_! At least I didn't have to do this test on my own blade...geez, now I just own a "purty" and smooth opening knife...thanks guys... Don't stop the tests!
I see people commenting.."here come the fan boys crying" and etc..but all I see are fan boys of cold steel. I'm not dissing cold steel either. I have one. One that would be made for this job. And I don't have a sebenza. Yet. Coming this week actually. These are folders. Good job on the triad showing strength though. But are you supposed to baton with a folder? No. Are you gonna stand on one? No. Pry? No. If you want to do any of the above.. use a good fixed blade. The right tool for the right job. Work smart and not hard people.
+thegeneral123 I feel the same. Bought one over fourteen years ago. Casually used, but never heavily - thank god! Jeez, older liner lock knives from Cold Steel could beat this frame lock, with these pathetic test results!
Send them to me. I'll replace them with Cold Steels, since you bought into this marketing bullshit. First off none of this has anything to do with the actual functuality of the knives. Also, frame lock's work under hard use by applying pressure to the lock bar. Which occurs naturally with your hand.
@@thegeneral123 You've had them 10 years and you're disappointed that they failed in ways they would never be used and ways you've never used them or ever will use them.. yeah ok boomer
I know why I'm carrying my Cold Steel American Lawman. Sebenzas are good slicers. But I wouldn't call that a lock.# Thanks again for saving us the money and show what the knive can and cannot do. ^^
everyone is hating on the sebenza I see. well, maybe a frame lock isn't made for these kinda tests. cold steel knives are made for hard tasks. a large sebenza 21 is a fine edc-knife with great craftsmanship.
So besides a Strider...next competition suggestion: Spyderco Laci Szabo Folder (with that crazily over-built compression lock) vs Cold Steel Black Talon II with the tried and true Tri-ad. Also, strangely enough, both are made in Taiwan out of "super steels" S30V and CTS-XHP. Two insanely strong, purpose-built fighting knives that are designed to get the hell beat out of them when your life is on the line. What say you?
LOL and I was just thinking about this yesterday... That said, I'll carry the Sebenza at church and the office, and my Large Espada when I'm outdoors or working on cars ^^ Heh, you should destroy a Strider next. That'll REALLY make the fanboys squeal! :P
+V - Pony FUCK no. That would seriously piss me off. Cold Steel is a quality company headed by a man who does a lot to promote military and LEO support, and pushes for individual liberty for us in this country. Strider is a dude who lied about military service to give him a Rambo-feel in a Ken-Doll package. Oh, and he's a felon, to boot. I would seriously hope that Cold Steel NEVER gives his stinking company a damned dime.
Rodger Pitts Whoa, hold on there. I'm not talking about either company's integrity or back story; I'm talking about these so called "overbuilt" knives claiming to be uber tough, either by the maker or their fans. And Andrew here is just proving them wrong. If you hate Strider so much, maybe you should convince someone to "donate" their Strider knife for Andrew to annihilate. Hrm...I also wonder how Lionsteel and their Rotoblock lock would hold up as well...
V - Pony I have to say, the Sebbie surprised me. I really liked mine, and I expected it would fare a lot better than it did. You're right about the Rotoblock knives, though. That would be a great challenge. I agree with you about Andrew, too. He's got nothing to hang his head about. The Tri-Ad is monstrously strong. I can't wait to get a 4-Max, that really looks like a BEAST.
+Rodger Pitts I do wonder if the reason why the 21 kept slipping was because of the haredened lock face making it too hard for the blade tang to "bite" into it, especially right out of the box with no break in. I mean, I've torn through some pretty tough stuff like drywall with my 21 and have easily pulled more than 30 lbs on that blade without it closing...I got mine well broken in though... :/ Oh well, it's not really my first choice for heavy duty stuff anyways (that still goes to either my Cold Steels, my Microtechs or my Spyderco Military) ^^
I bought a knock off Sebenza that I modded to reflect the original. I’m still weary of the lock as the carburised titanium tends to slip against steel. When it was raw titanium against steel, the lock up was solid but it also ate away at the titanium. Nice knife either way, but definitely not a knife that I would put through so many tests.
I see your point (and I like cold steel) but... This is like smashing a large pickup and a Ferrari into a wall and seeing which one comes out worse for wear. It's apples to oranges really.
+messmeister92 If I were in a car crash I much rather be in a Ferrari than a Pickup. Sports cars are some the safest on the road because they are designed to go fast, and thus are likely to crash much faster. The very wealthy customers expect safety. Since they are such high dollar, they can afford to use premium materials and cleaver safe designs, even the focus of the car is speed and luxury not safety. That is the problem with the Sebenza in this video. With a $400 price tag, I expect there to be all of the precision quality and refinement, but also it should be decent, if not excelling in all other areas as well. But it is even worse, the edge holding of the Sebenza is atrocious, since Reeve runs his s35vn so soft, for "Ease or sharpening" because apparently people who buy $400 knives have no means of having their knives sharpened.
Dan Martin I am well aware, but notice how I never said safety was an issue; the point is that you cannot compare the two. I'd be careful with your steels as well. The S35VN Reeve runs is "softer" than others; it is by no means soft. In doing some searching I have not found many reasonable complaints about Reeve's heat treatment. Additionally you'd find that Sebenzas are not always produced in S35VN, and there are little to no complaints with those steels as well. Reeve has built his reputation on quality and reliability; I would be careful in questioning it until you have something solid. But since you mentioned it, is $400 worth the money for a knife that's a) proven over the decades and known for it's quality b) made from excellent materials and c) manufactured in the USA? Depends on who you would ask. I'm perfectly happy with a $130 Paramilitary 2, but that's my opinion. It sounds like you disagree, and that's fine.
+csknives +Dan Martin If you'll allow me to, I can clear up the point I was trying to make. Again, I would like to preface this by saying I appreciate/own/use Cold Steel knives. I just think this test was a waste. I'm sticking with cars/vehicles, but using a more potent example: The CS is kind of like an MRAP: Brutish, overkill, rather unrefined, but very much a "you-and-what-nuke-are-going-to-stop-me" kind of vehicle; it features unequaled performance * in its category. The Sebenza is like a Ferrari: Proven, reliable, refined, with a long pedigree, and unequaled performance *in its category* See where I'm going with this? I think we can all agree that these test are designed to favor the Tri-Ad Lock... I mean that's just Marketing 101. There are other test you can do to these knives where CS might possibly suffer compared to others: blade material/strength/heat treatment, edge retention, quality control (*ahem*), etc. Now that we've established that, we can move on. What you're doing here is placing an IED (or shooting it with an RPG, take your pick) under an MRAP and under a Ferrari and seeing which one fares better. Obviously it's going to be the MRAP; the Ferrari wasn't designed for that kind of role. In the same way that you can run a Ferrari and an MRAP around Monza and the obvious winner would be the Ferrari, because the MRAP *wasn't designed for that kind of role.* Point being, you're comparing apples to oranges/MRAPs to Ferraris.
As I've said previously, on multiple points in this thread, I AM A COLD STEEL FAN. My only issues with quality control are minor. Lots of burs (my biggest pet peeve - I wish I could post a picture of the tang of my Code 4), centering is usually off, some knives are very poorly lubricated, etc. I get it - It can't always be 100% perfect, although a select group of manufactures (Reeve among them) make it so. If you don't like receiving feedback from your customers, then you're SOL my friend. Again, I just think that in this case the test in flawed. I am perfectly entitled to my opinion, regardless of whether or not I agree with the results.
EVERY cold steel folder that I have holds my complete confidence in the tasks and roles in which they are placed. Guess some of these other blades are really fancy window dressings. 😑😬
Wow. You can charge what ever you think your product is worth and what people are willing to pay.. the fact you are charging 410 dollars on a product that wont hold up to the basic test of a rival company witch produces far better quality products for a fraction of the cost is very very sad i am blown away ive spent 300 400 and 500 on knives and never used them but in the back of my mind always wondered what they could handle. Now i no! Thank you cold steel.
+Kevin cleary HELL no. That would seriously piss me off. Cold Steel is a quality company headed by a man who does a lot to promote military and LEO support, and pushes for individual liberty for us in this country. Strider is a dude who lied about military service to give him a Rambo-feel in a Ken-Doll package. Oh, and he's a felon, to boot. I would seriously hope that Cold Steel NEVER gives his stinking company a damned dime.
I thought you were a little brighter than that. Frame locks function under hard use by applying pressure to the lock bar. Which occurs naturally with the pressure from your hand. The triad lock is arguably the strongest, but it's unnecessary overkill. The test is marketing for overbuilt minded morons. Has no real effect on functuality of a knife. Triad locks are more of a pain in the ass. The action of CS knives suck overall & the action unlocking them is even worse. I'll take a axis, compression, frame, liner or traditional lock back any day over the triad.
I've never understood that; these knife collectors that spend $400 on a CRK or $1600+ on a custom knife say that a lock doesn't matter, and that CS is only for "overbuilt minded morons." Yet they're most often concerned with the *smoothness* and ease of opening of a blade...? I understand why that's to be appreciated from an engineering standpoint, but it has no real value in function either. I have 0 issues flicking open a cold steel, benchmade, spyderco, or any brand name folder. CS knives are cheap, so it's ok to boast about the high quality features that they offer. Test them side by side with a CRK or any high dollar folder.. their lock strength, edge retention, cutting ability, ergonomics. You'll see that CS is just built for guy that isn't a moron, being sold on $300+ knives so their dainty soft hands don't have to work so hard to open them.
Everyone realizes that every knife compared will fail this test? This test is directly related to how CS knives are built. Just saying. Don't be surprised people. It's a CS test.
+Richard C This. I'd love to see them try to put a Cold Steel up against something like an Opinel in an actual slicing test. Or put their knives up against something from ZT or Spyderco for edge retention.
+stormsigma I'm sure the new steels would hang in edge retention. But Aus 8 vs ZDP or s90v, no way. That's not even a fair comparison we all know that.
Sebezna knifes suck lol I can't believe what I just seen, a 400 dollar knife that's garbage, tried tested and true Cold Steel always come thru, Mr Lynn Thompson and the Cold Steel Crew know how to make tough and affordable knives that wont fail on you when you need it for defence, keep the awesome knifes, swords and weapons coming !!!
+Josh Daoust I totally agree. Just because the CRK didn't pass this test, its still a good knife (as they said). We are comparing apples and oranges here... Cold steel is ment to last and endure heavier tasks than normal knives! I was shocked at these results myself to, but it doesnt make a knife garbage.
+Josh Daoust Normally, I'd be among the first to join in on saying that these knives aren't meant to be used backwards; however, this isn't an example of that. Knives are definitely meant to be used for stabbing, and it's not uncommon to unintentionally leverage the blade one way or the other during the process of stabbing. If you can bypass the lock simply with the force of your hand pushing down on the handle, it's possible that it can disengage when used for stabbing.
+BotchedProjects yeah that is true. The fact that it disengaged with hand force means stabbing would probably end bad for you if you hit any resistance. I have held and played with sebenzas they feel like they are locked solid as a rock. This is eye opening as far as a lock being deceiving.
BotchedProjects omg, knives are not ment to be stabbed with. they are tools. You think cold steel is like our knives are the best at stabbing. If you need to "stab" something use a fixed blade.
I laughed my ass off when he said at the end "you wanna start with 25's". I would love to see Mr. Reeve watch this...See what B.S. he comes up with to defend himself here....... he'd probably say something to the extent of "the employees at cold steel messed with a brand new Sebenza to defame his knives legendary status" or that the "previous owner must have abused the knife" lol.... It Wouldn't even surprise me if he tried to threaten CS to take the video down. He is known for his temper... It wont even hold 45lbs! That is simple disgusting for a $400+ knife; hell even for a $100 knife I'd expect more. Fan boys Gonna love this video. Haha Love it
Anyone who actually thinks a Framelock is STRONG is an idiot.... There are so many ways for it to fail! And obviously. ..any TRUE knife nut knew the CRK would Fail instantly! The Sebenza is a great knife and a true standard of production quality and tolerances! They will work for their INTENDED purposes perfectly and under normal circumstances never have an issue. That being said...COLD STEEL knives are Frickin AWESOME! !!
Well - it is what it is - frame lock Titanium knives are just for playing it cool and to bring joy and satisfy the CNC porn addicted people... 21 is a cool knife.
Oh man, I feel sorry for Andrew. From the start he looked like he was made to kill his hero. But the end... just tragic he looked like he was about to start breaking in tears. Great test, though. Keep them up!
Bryce Kimball CTS-XHP is some of the best steel in the knife market and Cold Steel has basically cornered the market on it. So no, their knives do not suck, and I would rather have one than a Sebenza. The most I've ever paid for a knife is $350, and that's because its a very large knife made from Elmax.
+csknives You do realize in a real world situation the frame lock's user would be applying pressure to the lock bar, with their hand? Your testing makes for sly marketing on your part. Kiddos to you.
***** Your butt hurts? :( I bet even my crappy $10 mtech knife sustained spine whacking without any problems and without failing, whereas CRK expensive as fuck useless paperweight took one and literally broke beyond repair. TOP LEL
+EvilBillRoasts that was not a race...this is more like a honda and a ferrari crash in to a wall in the same speed, the ferrari had more damage, so you think ferrari is carp....if the video was showing that a sebenza failed during cutting test, I would agree your point...
BawZ Meliodas I guess you never heard about the story about Volkswagen Phaeton, haven't you? showing off is not depend on what you have, it's depend on what audiences you get. will I show off the sebanza in front of a group of hunter? no,sir,no, because they use knife as tool and companion, I will show off my bark river instead. But with a group of elementary knife snobs, a rare inlaid sebanze will make them nut!
Holy fantastic failiure Batman! How the fuck?!? Thats the worst knife I've seen tested, not only here, but ever! Just lost ALL interest in thoose knives. Sick!
You're plain simple if you don't get how clearly Redundant that test would be as the test itself is to determine what lock in each knife can withstand sudden impact and yield testing better , it would defeat the purpose if the were both the same locks .
PeterPiperGamer YT This test is like comparing a Land Rover and a Ferrari off road. It has no point. If you want to compare the strength of the lock, you should compare it with the same mechanics. It is like comparing a toilet paper slicing ability with a plain edge and a serrated edge.
***** You're very thick , As he said many times in the video he is testing the knife to "Cold steel's standard" . Clearly you have never made it past Primary School because your comprehension skills and Lack Luster .As for your absurd point that it would be like "comparing a Land Rover and a Ferrari off road" Chris Reeves is quoted as saying that his knife is the "yard stick that all knifes compare" or something to that effect and saying its "Built like a bank Vault " , clearly it was not built to anywhere close to the strength of a bank vault and as for being the Yard stick , that's what he was doing , Comparing .
***** Not to mention the amounts of times people have compared the Cold Steel Knives to CRK and saying that cold steel falls short for making their knives in taiwan and not to high tolerances ,This is the same comparison as you said "comparing a Land Rover and a Ferrari off road " .
PeterPiperGamer YT Cold Steel standard? OH so if it is Cold Steel standard it is "correct" right? Do you even know how frame lock works? For a frame lock to fully function, you need to hold it. It was design to be in your hand. This is a bullshit test because this test is the same as testing the above knife with a fixed blade. It tells you NOTHING.
Nobody here is even saying it! PROBLY DO NOT REALIZE! I do not personally even own a CRK knife BUT the truth is: The inherit problem with testing frame locks this way is... a frame lock is designed to work with the user gripping the handle, holding that lock bar in! faulty test on that aspect in my opinion. This is the equivalent of using a knife with telekinetic powers, where your hands aren't gripping the handle for the hard work! lol
+Max Savino That could be the case, but I don't think a hand would help too much. When that bar starts to slip, which the fat on a hand can not stop, you lose the static friction which is far stronger than kinetic friction. And the ratio between how far the bar has to slide vs. the pressure is like a huge torque reduction, as soon as it starts to go, it goes fast. But even still, you have to admit, it performed horribly. I am pretty sure they tested a Kershaw Cryo that did a lot better. Honestly this test did not change much for me... I am still going buy a Sebenza one day.
Well, if your just holding it in your hand to look at it sure, but if your swinging that thing around, to the point of you hitting the spine against something with THAT much energy, your ganna be gripping that thing pretty damn hard! Either way... they are still not testing it properly, they should be testing their tri add lock with pocket lint stuck in the back of the pivot then!
Max Savino I actually have not run into that problem with any of my Cold Steels in the years I have carried them. The closest thin to that is my gen 1 Boker Kwaiken needs it's internal stop pin grove cleaned out so it can close and open a bit better. It was the Kershaw leek (frame lock) I was thinking of, not the Cryo. As awesome as the Sebenza is, it is kind of sad it is weaker than a Kershaw leek.
+Max Savino No matter how hard you are holding that knife it won't help when serious shock is applied to the blade. He even holds the blade in the second part of the video anyways and it still does not help.
You cold steel fanboys do realize which side of the blade you use when cutting right? Can one of you enlighten me exactly when you use a knife and load it up in that direction? is it a cold steel thing? Test 2 also loading the knife in the reverse direction to its intended design and after breaking the lock in the first test making a big thing about it not holding in the second, well, surprise, surprise. Well good on CS for designing a lock that wont break in the reverse direction that will never be loaded in that direction during use. I noticed during this CRK beat up they didnt test the hardness or edge holding ability of the 2 respective knives, bullshit it seems does baffle brains.
+dhc4ever It's not a field test. It's more of a laboratory test. However, it does make a point...the Cold Steel Triad lock is extremely strong, which means that it's less likely to close on your hand if you make a mistake, or if you have to use it hard in an emergency. Does it need to be that strong? Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. That's for the user to decide. I appreciate these tests; however, they in no way diminish my view of CRK. The Sebenza has its place and its purpose. But admittedly, if I'm going on a trek deep into the wilderness, the folder in my pocket will be a Cold Steel.
This test is like taking a Jeep Wrangler and a Ferrari, putting them both on an off road course. Then complaining about how the Ferrari failed to preform as well as the Jeep wrangler. This series of testing is obviously geared towards the Cold Steel Code 4. It's all about using the right tool for the job!! If I was realistically going to be doing some seriously tough/difficult hard cutting tasks I would use a Fixed blade or at least a Tri-Ad lock cold steel if I had to choose a folder. If I want to carry a high end(true high quality) folder made with great attention to detail with perfect tolerances and quality control for my EDC cutting tasks, then I would carry the Chris Reeve Sebenza! You really need to watch every video with a "Grain of Salt." Don't get me wrong the Tri-Ad lock is the strongest folding lock out there, but Cold Steel is trying to sell product. Cold steel is trying to compare apples to oranges here and basically pray apon the average knife buyers lack of knife knowledge!! Just think about it, would you realistically chop and hack(hard use cut) with a Chris Reeve Sebenza like you would a Cold Steel Tri-Ad lock folder. This test to me just shows how these locks are different and how these two knives are ment for different types of use. Real knife people know this and they know The Chris Reeve Sebenza is an amazing high end knife, not crap that this video is trying to portray!!
:) IF ONLY IT WERE TRUE its nothing personal your just stupid as fuck and lack any insight beyond your 400 dollar hole in your wallet, but i like blind faith i helps make these conversions more offensive to you, i have nearly 350 production knives including a 90s sebi and most are garbage (lets not pretend here), but here this is repeated empirical testing done for what a year or two now with cold steel buying everyones garbage and testing for your benefit in this case, i have no particular love for them or any one of the other lowest bidders, but sure keep your blinders on and pretend
If there was an Industry Award for knife that's continuously made that instantly destroys your pockets - Cold Steel(Voyager series) Question - why did Cold Steel still make knives that have 350 grit feeling G-10/plastic handle scales with non flexible solid steel pocket clips that instantly destroy your pockets? Also why did it take 35 years for Cold Steel to use blade steels other than VG-1 and AUS-8.
I have been collecting knives since the mid to late 90's and I also have about 400 knives both production knives and custom knives. That fact that you as a knife collector you can't understand the concept that it's about picking the right tool for the job is mind boggling. The large Sebenza 21 I have works just fine on any realistic EDC cutting tasks that I face on a daily basis. If your using a sebenza 21 to the point that your disengaging(having lock failure) while the blade is open, your probably doing a task that requires a fix blade!! If I know I'm going to be doing some serious hacking chopping cutting and want to carry a folder I would carry one of my Tri-Ad Cold Steel knives. Again comparing the Code 4 and Sebenza is like comparing apples to oranges!! My current favorite EDC blade is the Spyderco Manix 2 lightweight(S110V), I don't always carry expensive knives. Cold Steel has the worlds strongest lock(Tri-Ad) that's undeniable. But what's also undeniable is that Cold Steel also has shitty quality control(Made Over seas in Asia), shit customer service and mall ninja marketing!!!
When did Cold Steel ever win an indusrty "Manufacturing Quality Award" or the "Overall Knife of the Year Award"? Chris Reeve Knives won Manufacturing Quality Award - 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007,2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and Overall Knife of the Year - 2008("Umnumzaan") and they also won 2005 "Collector Knife of the Year" ("21st Anniversary Sebenza").
so really really QC is really up to snuff if two new inbox knives fail of the first go around in both tests hmmmmmmmm you and every other sebi owner make a great marketing mouth pieces for CRK(industry awards are meaningless every one gets one eventually for showing up) but in reality there just another over priced knife, i told you i have no particular love for any production knife brand they all make crap ALLLLLLLLL of them , in fact it would be funny to see these same tests with any other brands vs those 2 sebies and thats just the point, hard fail on both more then twice all i here from you is marketing dribble and excuses you just represent the cult of personality around the brand, i never once mentioned the triad lock or CS i dont care about them or that they were better, just that the sebi failed an EASY EASY test you have got small dick issues if your gonna keep going on about nothing we already all know or have heard before over and over from every other crk fan boy your fucking useless, theres is just no excuse for ANYknife to fail that easily and that quickly NONE talk facts not marketing you waste of space, and really really your gonna complain about your delicate pockets wow just wow gotta reach for that one huh well i guess you are defending the obviously delicate sebi by comparison i should of expected it, you have nothing but excuses for what happend in the video and your just makeing shit up to excuse it, and sure good steel is a nice to have always but compared to heat treat and grind geometry it means little in "practical uses "(your a fucking idiot), 3.5 pounds of presssure to pierce skin i could use a sharp stick
haha cold steel knives built for people who dont use knives properly. who would do these things to their knife in the real world. no one. these tests are so pointless.
+Josh Daoust Not really pointless, because when a knife is being abused that's when it's most important for it to hold up and not fail. I think a lock should not be so weak and fail so easily especially on such an expensive knife
Or you could flip the knives around to show everyday use. If someone is using a knife this way they shouldnt be allowed to own one to begin with. GunOwnerDan
+Josh Daoust you sir is a dumb ass and a true idiot, the most important thing on a folding knives is the LOCK, the reason why people don't like to use a knife for hard use cause the lock is weak and will fail, but Andrew came up with amazing triads lock that revolutionary changing folding knives ability to do more then just a folding knives, you came here make up bullshit to justify you're shitty purchase doesn't change the FACT that coldsteel have better design stronger lock, you can argue that what you would use your folding knives for but that just your opinions , in this case you lose
I frequently carry slip joint knives (no lock) and have never had one close on me by accident in sixty nine years. That's because I use them the way they were meant to be used.
please , please do a medford test..... a large expensive medford against a medium priced, medium sized CS......i promise ill buy a swift when that review is shown here...i have a lot of discussions on the internet...and im proudly defending my fav brand CS..so help me out guys ;-)
I have 5 Cold Steel knives all of which have the original AUS8 steel. They have been good knives for what I have used them for. I removed all the finishes on the black coated blades as it was not holding up at all. Probably won't go out and buy the new ones just to change out the steel on the blade. I have owned a Sebenza 25 for about 1 1/2 yrs and it has been a very good knife for what I have used it for and will keep it. I never spine whack a folding knife nor do I baton a folding knife. I have other more appropriate knives that serve those purposes when I need it.
I love this video. Only thing is that people hate the truth sometimes. I've been a coldsteel fan since I was a lil boy and you guys were selling em out a booth at the pamona gun show. Of course that's when gun shows were real gun shows. Great work and great products!!!!!
The stability of the Sebenza's frame lock is enhanced by the user's grip which keeps the blade from slipping. If you use a vice to pinch the surfaces of the frame together (mimicking a grip) I think you would see the Sebenza perform much better.
+MarshalNey13 Guess that means they should include a set of visegrips with every knife, huh. Bet a Triad will hold more if you put a C-clamp over the back spring, too, but that isn't the point. Personally I'd like to see both battoned to failure. Now that's a fair test.
+Len Zielenski well,yes. Measure someone from the office's grip strength and just use that as a standard value. Then apply a C clamp to each knife to ensure that amount of pressure gets applied to the handle of each blade. I am not nut hugging the sebenza I want to know the chances of it failing in my hand more than it failing in a vacuum.
+MarshalNey13 it also failed when he had a grip on it. When a frame lock starts to cam out the layers of skin and fat in your hand are going to negate your point.
Attention all who bash Cold Steel and disregard irrefutable proof.... I think this is a case of someone who is upset they paid $400 for an inferior lock design. As far as I am concerned it's a triad lock or nothing. Be it a $400 or $4000 knife, frame locks are prone to camming out of position and releasing. Period. There's a reason Cold Steel doesn't make a frame lock. FORTY FIVE POUNDS!!! really? If these manufacturers would quit milling away valuable material and design something that uses leverage (not a weak spot) to release the lock, maybe they could legitimately brag about their lock strength.
+M3thodTSixshot Not all doors have locks. Not all doors need them. But, when you lock your front door, would you want the lock to fail from a good hard push?
What exactly are you using your knife for? Enquiring minds want to know... Best lock in the game for me has to be the spyderco compression lock. Not because of how strong it is, but because how easy and safe it is to use. Followed closely by the axis lock. I cant remember the last time I required my knife handle to hold 45 pounds... or the last time I wacked a knife from behind with force? The test in-it-of-itself is flawed in that its not really realistic for real use. It would be like strapping some c4 to a knife, blowing it up and gloating that it can survive a bomb. Yes, thats cool.. but I dont need a bomb proof knife. I need something that cuts, would like something that is made well, and last forever since I get attached to my knives. My spydercos military and peramillitary 2 fit the bill. Now, if you will excuse me, I need to go wack my knife really hard for absolutely no reason.
I've had my Code 4 for a while now and am still happy as can be. The CTS XHP is fantastic and I'm pretty sure I could hang my Jeep from it and it wouldn't fail. Happy customer
I don't know if it's just my TH-cam for some reason or if it's everybody's but after a certain point it goes black with just the audio and I think it happened in another video too
when you test framelocks i think you sould put tape or somthing around the handel because the framelocks are made so that most have constat invards presure from your grip while its in the hand that shoud prevent most lockslipp and be more realistic
Thanks for this comparison. I am not rich enough to afford a Sebenza and Cold Steel is one of my favorite brands. I think the Cold Steel lock is the best in the market. I relay wish I could say made in America is better, but that is quickly changing in every field and merchandise.
Something went bad with the video. The part where the seb fails the weight hang and AD is very polite and tries another brand new from the box seb and it fails too. It's all missing... you can see it fail at 4:35, but the sound is off...
This is more of a how-to video. How to: Sebenza slip joint mod
you voided the sabenza warranty buy flicking it open lol
JGstunts22 😂😂👌
JGstunts22 Bravo sir, bravo.
Easily the funniest comment I have read in the last month lol you are a king amongst peasants!
//you voided the sabenza warranty buy flicking it open lol//
Actually, Chris Reeves himself said they flick the knife open during assembly. He said it pushes everything to its furthest point, so you get a better lockup. I'll link the video with him saying it. It's at the 33:39 mark in the video. th-cam.com/video/RZGb-juKPlU/w-d-xo.html
That’s hilarious but you can thumb flick the knife out all you want and still keep your warranty. wrist flicks however will void it because they generate substantially more force and over time it will dent the blade stop / blade
Watched knife videos for 2 years, before investing in my first and only PROPER KNIFE! The 2015 carpenter steel CODE 4 clip point!
*****
cheers dude
Great choice. Cts-xhp steel has great edge retention and is pretty wear resistant. And of course the triad lock makes the knife nearly indestructible.
A.J. Rusinek
and smarter lookng than a than a recon 1
Nick M yeah kinda tired of the whole tactical black look.
Horrible choice, should have spent your money on Benchmade or spyderco or something
People buying Sebenzas are paying for the name. It's a knife. With a handle & a blade. That's it. You can make the lock feel as smooth as you damn well please. But if the handle can't support 45 pounds you wasted your money. Unless you're just gonna sit in your house and open & close it. If you get $400 worth of enjoyment from opening a pocket knife go for it. But I think it's rather obvious that those Sebenzas aren't actually "locking".
I mean... i dont know about you but a knife is for cutting.. ive never bought a knife with a requirement that it must support 45lb..
What's happening? I didn't expect the sebenza to hold a lot of weight or even do well in the spine strike test...but wow!
It is what it is...frame locks are weird since they have early lock ups for the most part. But hey that tri-ad lock rocks. I wish you tested the code 4 all the way
Sebenza confirmed for meme knife and $500 paperweight
Id pay to see Chris's reaction at bladeshow when he sees cold steel...
+thenextarcher
I think he will be allright) It's like a stinky Chevy Camaro win Ferrari, but Ferrari OK with that)
+Rustem B come on man I Love those stinky Chevy Camaros lol
Steven Holden no.
SailfishSoundSystem I wouldn't say that. Knife makers and designers tend to be protective when people point out a potential downside to their knives.
Obviously you've never met Chris or toured his shop.
Just wow! Very surprising. I love my Cold steel knives.
I have to agree cold steel are cool knives,
You were being super respectful in the beginning even going as far as to say it may be the best liner lock... then the catastrophic failure happened... twice.. It almost makes it seem like you were being super sarcastic about it being the measuring stick. lol. I'm not in anyway saying that was your intent but it made the video pretty funny. I own a code 4 and love it. I carried my recon for a long time until I got my code 4. now that the 4 max is out!?!... geez I want that knife.. you should test the 4 max against some full tang knives, they may be the only knives that could compete!! keep up the videos!
I just want to let Cold Steel know that I have nothing but respect for this gentleman and the way he very easily made his comments about the competition making sure to respectfully let everybody know that hey this is still a fantastic and world-famous knife and I'm not saying it's no good I'm just saying it hasn't passed a couple tests that our knife past that's all. And I think that deserves nothing but respect. Thank you Andrew hats off to you. and so you know I buy Cold Steel and then love Cold Steel and that's due to people like you thank you sir.
Code 4 ordered and on the way. These videos just fascinate the hell out of me.
Sebenza fan here (and an even bigger fan of logic)... yes, the CS (at least by this video) holds up to spine whacks better than the Sebenza. However, if you're an actual daily knife user and not someone prepping for an apocalypse that will never come, you already know that these types of stresses are actually of no concern to real-world knife use. If for some reason you have a preference for knives that perform unnecessary tasks then the Sebenza isn't for you. "Sebenza" means "work"... as in a tool for general daily work... I don't know what the zulu word for "apocalypse survival death hammer" is but if Chris Reeve made a knife for that task then that is probably what it would be called. Again, if you don't trust your own ability to properly handle a knife and not lop off your fingers with 50lbs of backwards force, buy the Cold Steel. Yes, I repeat, the Cold Steel is superior in backwards lock retention, that is apparently a fact.... but when was the last time you needed to lift your recliner with your knife? I have nothing against CS and I applaud their efforts to create features and standards for their products at such a high level but this particular feature is simply not one that matters to me or how I use my knife.
I view this test the same as when someone compares one camera that can burst shoot 10 frames verse a camera that can burst shoot 20 frames. Sure, the 20 frames is impressive, but the majority of users will have very little use for that feature.
I didn't buy my Sebenza for extreme use. I bought it for it's daily work performance, superb craftsmanship, ease of maintenance, and my personal preference for its design, size, and function. After 3 years of heavy but appropriate daily use in a warehouse, in a brewery, in my art studio, while camping, canoeing, fishing, whittling, carving, etc.. it has never failed me.
so you wasted 400$ on something a 10$ knife can do? lol
I assume you willfully missed the point in order for your wisecrack to work? Sebenzas are not intended to be the toughest knife or lock out there. That is not the point of a Sebenza. The Sebenza is essentially one of the only flawlessly manufactured knives on the market. Out of the $1000's of dollars worth of knives I own, my Sebenza is the only one that does not have to be tweaked, tightened, or adjusted once in a while to recenter the blade or tighten up a loose pivot. Even other knives I own in the same price range as my Sebenza I had to lock-tite the pivot screws to keep the tension adjusted properly. Which also means everytime I take them apart to clean or lube them I have to spend time getting the tension just right, lock-tite'ing the screw, and letting it sit for a few hours while it sets. I don't have to do that with my Sebenza because the manufactured tolerances are so perfect. It goes back together exactly as it is suppose to and functions exactly as it is supposed to every single time.
no name yeah my 50$ tenacious doesn't need tweaking, my cold steel voyager doesn't need tweaking, my benchmade griptillian doesn't need tweaking hell my 15$ ganzo doesn't even need tweaking yet is still more durable than the sebenza.
+jordan nazif do you own a Sebenza?
no name my local knife store does and i tried it yeah sure its a bit smoother than any of my knives but come on your'e paying 400$ just so your knife is a little smooth?
I never knew Chris Reeve's knives would take that little weight to break the lock! Thanks for the video!
Lol why because they are expensive. The sebanza is way way over priced for what it is. As is Chris Reeves knives period
Great video! However, I believe the theory behind a framlock is so that your grip would not allow the lock to slip under load. I believe that if you could somehow mimic the handle being griped, it would be a better comparison. The Code 4 would still win by a huge margin anyway though, just saying.
+MotoNewb808 Now that's definitely something we would all like to see!
+MotoNewb808 9:25 the handle is gripped
I have a sebenza and I love it! Obviously it may not be the most hard use knife, but there are lots of things that make it great. After watching this video it wouldn't be my first choice for anything super demanding, but for most people's uses(opening packages and mail and such), I think it does its job rather well.
Oh man I can hear it, the sound of a thousand fan boy tears hitting the ground all at once. Thank you Andrew! The ending was magical.
Test some heavy duty midtechs. Medford. Strider. Hinderer. The ones that boast durability.
The Cold Steel price point is for a working man on a budget desiring a rugged EDC that withstands "most" encounters.
Strider is garbage
Wow, surprising results! Thanks for the video
Yawn.... Benchmade Adamas. I have said it in the last 5 vids. Shit you would probably still win, but not giving a true contender a shot seems like you scared or you filmed it and lost.
Check out Vininull's test, then check your expectations.
they did the bedlam and contego and they well failed ha
+Lee Fair I too want to see the Adamas
They always come close...
I've had an Adamas, and comparable Cold Steel products offer a better strength to weight ratio. I can get a Recon 1 in CTS XHP (basically stainless D2) that is 2 oz. lighter, just as strong, if not stronger, and easier to maintain in the field because no omega springs.
You could tell Andrew was surprised as hell when that CRK fails, though, I would have expected more outta it too. But the Tri-Ad lock is unbeatable! How about an SMF?
Oh my gosh that was pretty awesome. Thanks so much for finally making another CS Vs. video. Please keep them coming!!
Finally! Thank you! Now be prepared for a cease and desist letter from Chris Reeve like he did to Butch Vallotton.
What? What’s the story here?
YES, IVE BEEN WAITING MONTHS FOR THIS
+Caleb Goodrich Me as well.
Hey Great video totally worth sharing to my channel feed. Thanks for doing these vids I love watching how these turn out.
That is really disappointing to see something so wonderfully crafted, fail in epic proportions.
Especially in a test that has nothing to do with real world use.... Cry cry...
@@petermartin9494 well you do seem to be crying...
I got one and it’s nothing like this, they had to do something to it!
@@knifeaddict1014 you haven't tested yours though. Ya it feels solid until you actually apply some pressure to it.
@@hyssean12 iv applied a lot of pressure it’s a work horse!
Demko is so respectful and I respect the hell out of that. Makes me proud to be a Cold Steel fan!
Holy fuck some of these comment threads are hilarious to read. Buy whatever knife you want people and quit giving a shit what others think.
Best value for money folders on the market, I trust my life with some of these folders. They have never let me down. keep making them the way you do and keep testing them on camera. Every time I watch you test one I'm like a addict and need to buy another.
When you buy a sebenza you're just buying a name. For a big price
just like Jordan shoes nothing special
and yeah buy a strider or emerson instead lol
I have a Medium Voyager and Recon 1. I would stake my life on the performance of both of them if God forbid I ever needed them. Thank you Andrew and Lynn.
It should be UK Sebenza with slip-joint. ))
Damn. That was surprising as hell! That was my Grail knife! Thanks Cold Steel! ( thanks for saving me $400 👍) hahaha.
Cold steel is no way close to a sebenza at all. They are completely different types of knives. And you should already know that the triad lock is stronger. It's a badass lock. But is it as nice of a knife overall.... Not even close. I have numerous cold steel knives but guess who never goes in my pocket when I pack up and leave for the day. Yep you guessed it. All of the cold steel knives stay home. If I wanted to take a knife that I want to beat around and not care because it only costs 130 then yeah I'd take a cold steel. Crk are much much much higher quality than cold steel. Not even comparable. Not by a mile.
@@gordonbombay6627 by material standards and tolerance yes.. for lock strength and usability no.. cold steel can do it all... may not be the most beautiful knife ever but still. Spend money where it matters. Want Titanium and a high end steel?? Go with TwoSun. Chris Reeve knives are overrated for the materials used. Give credit to hi developing an iconic lock but come on. He's been beat by better knives now!
@@kyleburton7394 i disagree. People who buy a crk arent buying it to go beat it around. They are buying because they have money and want a great knife. Not every knife is meant for every job. Just like not every car is for street racing. Two totally different types of lock. That triad lock will beat every frame lock there is. Just physics. But cold steel is not a better company they do not have better materials and they do not have better quality control or customer service. When comparing cold steel to crk the only thing they have is that lock. In fact I'd even say cold steel only has that lock. Because using the logic in this video there are many knives that would beat out cold steel if they didn't use that lock. But their s35v isn't like other s35v steel. their heat treat is all over the place and I don't trust it. My recon one got all chipped on some plastic strap. Guess how many problems I've had with a crk. Zero. Absolutely none. Not only that what knife company sends a tool to take apart their product so you can do your own maintenance without voiding their amazing warranty. Give you a hint it's not cold steel. Cold steel is a great product for the money. But without Andrew demko they wouldnt be anything special. Crk knives are well put together with great materials and aren't meant for hard use. If you want a knife that you can rely on for day to day things that don't include slamming your knife around like a monkey than you can not do better than a crk. Everyone complains about their price but I have knives that cost 3 times as much or more and they aren't meant for hard use either. That's what a disposable cold steel is for. Or a full tang blade is for. Now im not saying cold steel is a bad product. They aren't. But to compare that cold steel knife with a sebenza is quite laughable. Also another thing to think about is how easy they are to work on. A crk is very easy to take apart and clean up whereas a cold steel with it's pins are not nearly as easy. I also don't see a well maintained cold steel knife lasting as long as a maintained crk. Apples and oranges all the way around. The take out here for you should be a 130 dollar cold steel is better at certain jobs than a crk where a crk is better in certain areas than a cold steel. Also if you damage or loose a cold steel no biggie just buy three more. A crk is a heirloom quality knife that isn't meant to be beat around. Not every knife is meant for that. Case and point a William Henry knife. They are pocket jewelry and heirloom pieces like a crk. Only in this instance a crk is much more usable than a William Henry. Apple and oranges. But I will never concede to saying that a cold steel knife is in anyway better than a crk. They just have a better lock. With shitty g10 or shitty aluminum scales. And some sketchy s35v. They serve a purpose I'll say that at least. I have too many. Knives to talk about from shitty beaters like ganzo or worse yet crkt all the way to William Henry knives and some custom bark rivers knives and some nice midtechs. And the knife I carry every single day is either my sebenza 21 or my pm2 or my alpha beast when I want to scare people. But I never carry my recon one or my American lawman or my 4 Maxx. I will say that I carry my demko knives sometimes tho. Not cold steel but demko customs. But I always come back to the sebenza
@@gordonbombay6627 valid points. However isnt the sebenza is marked as a working man's knife? Shouldn't it be able to withstand all kinds of scenarios? Sure, if I were to buy one I'd treat it as a grail, but the fact in the way it is marketed makes it seem like a workhorse when in at least one key area, the lock.. it is not for every task. We may be nitpicking here but I just cant justify the price of a sebenza when their are other alternatives that imo are better. Not saying cold steel is better just the fact that their are better knives out there suited for hardwork or a tactical situation
@@kyleburton7394 hard-working for a folding pocket knife has a different meaning to knife makers than it does Joe schmo TH-camr knife tester. Batoning was never meant to be done by a folding knife. And sebenzas are not meant for that either. They are also not tactical or meant to be tactical. Hard use tasks for a pocket knife would be rope cutting and feather sticking things like that. Batoning and prying are not a folding knife job. So if you baton with any folding knife you're likely going to be overusing you're folder. Most TH-camrs do it to show people in a shtf situation. Which again knife makers don't make high end folders with a shtf scenario in mind. There are better options out there for that like full tang knives for that. Also when buying a sebenza or any crk it's not about getting the toughest most over built knife. It's about buying a knife with God like tolerances and built with an eye for detail. A knife that was built and designed with care and a person's everyday needs in mind. It's been brutalized in other videos doing hard everyday use tasks. And throwing it into a crude pendulum built in a garage meant to put a lock through it pases is not a test people should be taking seriously. Because that is more pressure than anyone is going to put on that knife. Great that the tri ad lock can do it but it's not something your knife will ever have to go through when using it for everyday tasks. Talon SEI puts into words that most people would understand. He brings up watches as a comparison. Like why would anyone buy a Rolex for 10k when a 100 dollar Casio g shock does the exact same thing. Because you're buying something high end and its nice to have and to show off and to boast a little. You're buying it for it's legendary technology and its tolerances. Not to go into a doomsday camping trip and to put it through a hell test. There are much better knives for that like full tang knives again. Or a 130 dollar knife no one cares about breaking because too much of this swinging death test will break any knife even ones with a triad lock Same with batoning. Too much batoning will destroy a folding knife. Including one with a triad lock.
Truck yeah!! Keep doing these tests!!!! Do all of the over built folders please! Let's put them all to the test. Direware, Chaves, Hoback, ZT, etc. Run through them all. Let's see if the hype holds up!
I'd bet that high resolution videos of close-up high-speed slow-motion video of the spine whack test would be highly instructional to knife designers. If someone published such things, I'd bet that the widespread availability of that information alone would cause a revolution in folding knife design.
The Sebenza 21 is my grail knife. This is the first TH-cam knife video I've seen that truly impacted my view of something I already held in high regard.
I'm just dumbfounded
+Christopher Peace don't worry about it man, first off their not hard use knives, and second, there is no hand holding the lock bar... that is the intended purpose of the intergral/frame lock. The reason it failed is 2 fold. The number 1 point is, there is no hand to hold the knife under these hard uses, which will keep the lock from slipping out. Number 2, frame locks are built to break in, the lock up gets better as they go! So by all means, buy one, you won't regret it.
The lock-bar on a framelock is meant to be gripped--prevents the lockbar from slipping out. So the spinewhack test is pointless in this situation.
That said, love that Cold Steel is engineered to withstand this abuse.
What do I fault Cold Steel for?
*For not making this video fourteen years earlier and the Tri-Ad lock - it would have saved me money on my Sebenza 2000!*
_Cold Steel: Destroying the competition, exposing the posers, creating buyer's remorse, and hurting resale values everywhere, since 1980_!
At least I didn't have to do this test on my own blade...geez, now I just own a "purty" and smooth opening knife...thanks guys...
Don't stop the tests!
I see people commenting.."here come the fan boys crying" and etc..but all I see are fan boys of cold steel. I'm not dissing cold steel either. I have one. One that would be made for this job. And I don't have a sebenza. Yet. Coming this week actually. These are folders. Good job on the triad showing strength though. But are you supposed to baton with a folder? No. Are you gonna stand on one? No. Pry? No. If you want to do any of the above.. use a good fixed blade. The right tool for the right job. Work smart and not hard people.
I own three Sebenzas. Am I disappointed by this result? Of course. Very disappointed.
+thegeneral123 Return them and ask for your money back.
+SailfishSoundSystem Had them over 10 years, not happening.
+thegeneral123
I feel the same. Bought one over fourteen years ago. Casually used, but never heavily - thank god! Jeez, older liner lock knives from Cold Steel could beat this frame lock, with these pathetic test results!
Send them to me. I'll replace them with Cold Steels, since you bought into this marketing bullshit. First off none of this has anything to do with the actual functuality of the knives. Also, frame lock's work under hard use by applying pressure to the lock bar. Which occurs naturally with your hand.
@@thegeneral123 You've had them 10 years and you're disappointed that they failed in ways they would never be used and ways you've never used them or ever will use them.. yeah ok boomer
Is it just me, or is the video broken from 4:26 onward?
yes...
I know why I'm carrying my Cold Steel American Lawman. Sebenzas are good slicers. But I wouldn't call that a lock.#
Thanks again for saving us the money and show what the knive can and cannot do. ^^
everyone is hating on the sebenza I see. well, maybe a frame lock isn't made for these kinda tests. cold steel knives are made for hard tasks. a large sebenza 21 is a fine edc-knife with great craftsmanship.
That was a surprise I must say. All that money, and the things just broke likie an MTech folder. Or am I being unfair to MTech ?
Yes, you are being unfair to M-tech. lol
So besides a Strider...next competition suggestion:
Spyderco Laci Szabo Folder (with that crazily over-built compression lock) vs Cold Steel Black Talon II with the tried and true Tri-ad. Also, strangely enough, both are made in Taiwan out of "super steels" S30V and CTS-XHP.
Two insanely strong, purpose-built fighting knives that are designed to get the hell beat out of them when your life is on the line.
What say you?
LOL and I was just thinking about this yesterday...
That said, I'll carry the Sebenza at church and the office, and my Large Espada when I'm outdoors or working on cars ^^
Heh, you should destroy a Strider next. That'll REALLY make the fanboys squeal! :P
+V - Pony FUCK no. That would seriously piss me off. Cold Steel is a quality company headed by a man who does a lot to promote military and LEO support, and pushes for individual liberty for us in this country. Strider is a dude who lied about military service to give him a Rambo-feel in a Ken-Doll package. Oh, and he's a felon, to boot. I would seriously hope that Cold Steel NEVER gives his stinking company a damned dime.
Rodger Pitts Whoa, hold on there. I'm not talking about either company's integrity or back story; I'm talking about these so called "overbuilt" knives claiming to be uber tough, either by the maker or their fans.
And Andrew here is just proving them wrong.
If you hate Strider so much, maybe you should convince someone to "donate" their Strider knife for Andrew to annihilate.
Hrm...I also wonder how Lionsteel and their Rotoblock lock would hold up as well...
V - Pony I have to say, the Sebbie surprised me. I really liked mine, and I expected it would fare a lot better than it did. You're right about the Rotoblock knives, though. That would be a great challenge.
I agree with you about Andrew, too. He's got nothing to hang his head about. The Tri-Ad is monstrously strong. I can't wait to get a 4-Max, that really looks like a BEAST.
+Rodger Pitts I do wonder if the reason why the 21 kept slipping was because of the haredened lock face making it too hard for the blade tang to "bite" into it, especially right out of the box with no break in.
I mean, I've torn through some pretty tough stuff like drywall with my 21 and have easily pulled more than 30 lbs on that blade without it closing...I got mine well broken in though... :/
Oh well, it's not really my first choice for heavy duty stuff anyways (that still goes to either my Cold Steels, my Microtechs or my Spyderco Military) ^^
+Rodger Pitts cold steel builds his shit in Taiwan which does nothing for American jobs.
I bought a knock off Sebenza that I modded to reflect the original. I’m still weary of the lock as the carburised titanium tends to slip against steel. When it was raw titanium against steel, the lock up was solid but it also ate away at the titanium.
Nice knife either way, but definitely not a knife that I would put through so many tests.
I see your point (and I like cold steel) but... This is like smashing a large pickup and a Ferrari into a wall and seeing which one comes out worse for wear. It's apples to oranges really.
+messmeister92 If I were in a car crash I much rather be in a Ferrari than a Pickup. Sports cars are some the safest on the road because they are designed to go fast, and thus are likely to crash much faster. The very wealthy customers expect safety. Since they are such high dollar, they can afford to use premium materials and cleaver safe designs, even the focus of the car is speed and luxury not safety.
That is the problem with the Sebenza in this video. With a $400 price tag, I expect there to be all of the precision quality and refinement, but also it should be decent, if not excelling in all other areas as well. But it is even worse, the edge holding of the Sebenza is atrocious, since Reeve runs his s35vn so soft, for "Ease or sharpening" because apparently people who buy $400 knives have no means of having their knives sharpened.
True; however you must admit they are built for two very different applications.
Dan Martin I am well aware, but notice how I never said safety was an issue; the point is that you cannot compare the two.
I'd be careful with your steels as well. The S35VN Reeve runs is "softer" than others; it is by no means soft. In doing some searching I have not found many reasonable complaints about Reeve's heat treatment. Additionally you'd find that Sebenzas are not always produced in S35VN, and there are little to no complaints with those steels as well.
Reeve has built his reputation on quality and reliability; I would be careful in questioning it until you have something solid. But since you mentioned it, is $400 worth the money for a knife that's a) proven over the decades and known for it's quality b) made from excellent materials and c) manufactured in the USA? Depends on who you would ask. I'm perfectly happy with a $130 Paramilitary 2, but that's my opinion. It sounds like you disagree, and that's fine.
+csknives +Dan Martin If you'll allow me to, I can clear up the point I was trying to make.
Again, I would like to preface this by saying I appreciate/own/use Cold Steel knives. I just think this test was a waste.
I'm sticking with cars/vehicles, but using a more potent example: The CS is kind of like an MRAP: Brutish, overkill, rather unrefined, but very much a "you-and-what-nuke-are-going-to-stop-me" kind of vehicle; it features unequaled performance * in its category. The Sebenza is like a Ferrari: Proven, reliable, refined, with a long pedigree, and unequaled performance *in its category* See where I'm going with this?
I think we can all agree that these test are designed to favor the Tri-Ad Lock... I mean that's just Marketing 101. There are other test you can do to these knives where CS might possibly suffer compared to others: blade material/strength/heat treatment, edge retention, quality control (*ahem*), etc.
Now that we've established that, we can move on. What you're doing here is placing an IED (or shooting it with an RPG, take your pick) under an MRAP and under a Ferrari and seeing which one fares better. Obviously it's going to be the MRAP; the Ferrari wasn't designed for that kind of role. In the same way that you can run a Ferrari and an MRAP around Monza and the obvious winner would be the Ferrari, because the MRAP *wasn't designed for that kind of role.*
Point being, you're comparing apples to oranges/MRAPs to Ferraris.
As I've said previously, on multiple points in this thread, I AM A COLD STEEL FAN. My only issues with quality control are minor. Lots of burs (my biggest pet peeve - I wish I could post a picture of the tang of my Code 4), centering is usually off, some knives are very poorly lubricated, etc. I get it - It can't always be 100% perfect, although a select group of manufactures (Reeve among them) make it so. If you don't like receiving feedback from your customers, then you're SOL my friend.
Again, I just think that in this case the test in flawed. I am perfectly entitled to my opinion, regardless of whether or not I agree with the results.
I'm so glad I bought an Opinel and not a Sebenza :)
WOW. holly shit!!! knife world is gonna start to go nuts when they see this!!!
EVERY cold steel folder that I have holds my complete confidence in the tasks and roles in which they are placed. Guess some of these other blades are really fancy window dressings. 😑😬
Wow. You can charge what ever you think your product is worth and what people are willing to pay.. the fact you are charging 410 dollars on a product that wont hold up to the basic test of a rival company witch produces far better quality products for a fraction of the cost is very very sad i am blown away ive spent 300 400 and 500 on knives and never used them but in the back of my mind always wondered what they could handle. Now i no! Thank you cold steel.
I would love to see a Strider next smf espcially
+Kevin cleary HELL no. That would seriously piss me off. Cold Steel is a quality company headed by a man who does a lot to promote military and LEO support, and pushes for individual liberty for us in this country. Strider is a dude who lied about military service to give him a Rambo-feel in a Ken-Doll package. Oh, and he's a felon, to boot. I would seriously hope that Cold Steel NEVER gives his stinking company a damned dime.
+Rodger Pitts the point would be to show that he's charging too much for his knives..that video would take a chunk of his costumers away..
Rodger Pitts JR has it right
I thought you were a little brighter than that. Frame locks function under hard use by applying pressure to the lock bar. Which occurs naturally with the pressure from your hand. The triad lock is arguably the strongest, but it's unnecessary overkill. The test is marketing for overbuilt minded morons. Has no real effect on functuality of a knife. Triad locks are more of a pain in the ass. The action of CS knives suck overall & the action unlocking them is even worse. I'll take a axis, compression, frame, liner or traditional lock back any day over the triad.
I've never understood that; these knife collectors that spend $400 on a CRK or $1600+ on a custom knife say that a lock doesn't matter, and that CS is only for "overbuilt minded morons." Yet they're most often concerned with the *smoothness* and ease of opening of a blade...? I understand why that's to be appreciated from an engineering standpoint, but it has no real value in function either. I have 0 issues flicking open a cold steel, benchmade, spyderco, or any brand name folder. CS knives are cheap, so it's ok to boast about the high quality features that they offer. Test them side by side with a CRK or any high dollar folder.. their lock strength, edge retention, cutting ability, ergonomics. You'll see that CS is just built for guy that isn't a moron, being sold on $300+ knives so their dainty soft hands don't have to work so hard to open them.
Everyone realizes that every knife compared will fail this test? This test is directly related to how CS knives are built.
Just saying. Don't be surprised people. It's a CS test.
And I own CS knives and CRK knives just to dissuade some idiot calling me a fanboy lol.
+Richard C This. I'd love to see them try to put a Cold Steel up against something like an Opinel in an actual slicing test. Or put their knives up against something from ZT or Spyderco for edge retention.
+Richard C I saw other tests on yt with CS and CRK made by private people and CS were ok in 99% cases, some more CRK failed.
+stormsigma I'm sure the new steels would hang in edge retention. But Aus 8 vs ZDP or s90v, no way. That's not even a fair comparison we all know that.
+Richard C I didn't expect the sebenza to win but it should hold at least 50lbs... that is not an unreasonable request
so many sebenza fanboys are going to hate this video and claim that cold steel sabotaged the knife.
Test a Medford praetorian!!!
because your gonna buy a 500$ knife to smash the back of it against stuff as hard as you can
Sebezna knifes suck lol I can't believe what I just seen, a 400 dollar knife that's garbage, tried tested and true Cold Steel always come thru, Mr Lynn Thompson and the Cold Steel Crew know how to make tough and affordable knives that wont fail on you when you need it for defence, keep the awesome knifes, swords and weapons coming !!!
why is it garbage. do you regularly use your knife backwards?
+Josh Daoust I totally agree. Just because the CRK didn't pass this test, its still a good knife (as they said). We are comparing apples and oranges here... Cold steel is ment to last and endure heavier tasks than normal knives! I was shocked at these results myself to, but it doesnt make a knife garbage.
+Josh Daoust Normally, I'd be among the first to join in on saying that these knives aren't meant to be used backwards; however, this isn't an example of that.
Knives are definitely meant to be used for stabbing, and it's not uncommon to unintentionally leverage the blade one way or the other during the process of stabbing. If you can bypass the lock simply with the force of your hand pushing down on the handle, it's possible that it can disengage when used for stabbing.
+BotchedProjects yeah that is true. The fact that it disengaged with hand force means stabbing would probably end bad for you if you hit any resistance. I have held and played with sebenzas they feel like they are locked solid as a rock. This is eye opening as far as a lock being deceiving.
BotchedProjects
omg, knives are not ment to be stabbed with. they are tools. You think cold steel is like our knives are the best at stabbing. If you need to "stab" something use a fixed blade.
No lock stick though 👍
I laughed my ass off when he said at the end "you wanna start with 25's".
I would love to see Mr. Reeve watch this...See what B.S. he comes up with to defend himself here....... he'd probably say something to the extent of "the employees at cold steel messed with a brand new Sebenza to defame his knives legendary status" or that the "previous owner must have abused the knife" lol.... It Wouldn't even surprise me if he tried to threaten CS to take the video down. He is known for his temper...
It wont even hold 45lbs! That is simple disgusting for a $400+ knife; hell even for a $100 knife I'd expect more.
Fan boys Gonna love this video. Haha Love it
Pls Test the Endura 4 ... Pls
Ha hahahahahahah Once more the fantasy world meets the reality and the result is not pretty.
Anyone who actually thinks a Framelock is STRONG is an idiot.... There are so many ways for it to fail! And obviously. ..any TRUE knife nut knew the CRK would Fail instantly! The Sebenza is a great knife and a true standard of production quality and tolerances! They will work for their INTENDED purposes perfectly and under normal circumstances never have an issue. That being said...COLD STEEL knives are Frickin AWESOME! !!
Well - it is what it is - frame lock Titanium knives are just for playing it cool and to bring joy and satisfy the CNC porn addicted people...
21 is a cool knife.
I think flabbergasted, kind of describes it......
Wow... Just wow
Oh man, I feel sorry for Andrew. From the start he looked like he was made to kill his hero. But the end... just tragic he looked like he was about to start breaking in tears.
Great test, though. Keep them up!
I think he was going to keep the second sebenza and didn't want to ruin it.
or that :)
$400 worth of "you might lose your fingers" fun
but hey if you can drop $400 on a knife, you probably work in an office and have good insurance.
Bryce Kimball better than 400 dollar American shit
jordan nazif except you know... americans use better materials and you are not supporting 10 year olds working in factories over there
Bryce Kimball except you know they DON'T and I rather support 10 year olds needing money than highschool shooters in need of a better gun
Bryce Kimball CTS-XHP is some of the best steel in the knife market and Cold Steel has basically cornered the market on it. So no, their knives do not suck, and I would rather have one than a Sebenza. The most I've ever paid for a knife is $350, and that's because its a very large knife made from Elmax.
Well that's embarrassing for Chris Reeve...
***** lol!
+csknives You do realize in a real world situation the frame lock's user would be applying pressure to the lock bar, with their hand? Your testing makes for sly marketing on your part. Kiddos to you.
+csknives That is Cold Steel, They Talk the Talk and Walk the Walk ! ... Pls Test the Endura 4 vs Code 4 .... pls
From now on compare everything to the micro recon :)
So a 400$ knife is confirmed for garbage-tier.. sucks to be anyone who bought that shit
+BawZ Meliodas there will be some idiots trying to justify his purchase with dumb excuse
+BawZ Meliodas there will be some sebenza fanboys butthurt with this and saying it was not intended to be used like this, lol
***** Your butt hurts? :(
I bet even my crappy $10 mtech knife sustained spine whacking without any problems and without failing, whereas CRK expensive as fuck useless paperweight took one and literally broke beyond repair. TOP LEL
+EvilBillRoasts that was not a race...this is more like a honda and a ferrari crash in to a wall in the same speed, the ferrari had more damage, so you think ferrari is carp....if the video was showing that a sebenza failed during cutting test, I would agree your point...
BawZ Meliodas I guess you never heard about the story about Volkswagen Phaeton, haven't you? showing off is not depend on what you have, it's depend on what audiences you get. will I show off the sebanza in front of a group of hunter? no,sir,no, because they use knife as tool and companion, I will show off my bark river instead. But with a group of elementary knife snobs, a rare inlaid sebanze will make them nut!
Holy fantastic failiure Batman! How the fuck?!? Thats the worst knife I've seen tested, not only here, but ever! Just lost ALL interest in thoose knives. Sick!
COLD STEEL FTW!
Cris Reeve Sebenza is obviously WAY OVERRATED!
But I already knew that just by looking at it, that's why I never got one.
I would love to see a Cold Steel "frame lock" knife vs Reeve's frame lock knife...
You're plain simple if you don't get how clearly Redundant that test would be as the test itself is to determine what lock in each knife can withstand sudden impact and yield testing better , it would defeat the purpose if the were both the same locks .
PeterPiperGamer YT This test is like comparing a Land Rover and a Ferrari off road. It has no point. If you want to compare the strength of the lock, you should compare it with the same mechanics. It is like comparing a toilet paper slicing ability with a plain edge and a serrated edge.
***** You're very thick , As he said many times in the video he is testing the knife to "Cold steel's standard" . Clearly you have never made it past Primary School because your comprehension skills and Lack Luster .As for your absurd point that it would be like "comparing a Land Rover and a Ferrari off road" Chris Reeves is quoted as saying that his knife is the "yard stick that all knifes compare" or something to that effect and saying its "Built like a bank Vault " , clearly it was not built to anywhere close to the strength of a bank vault and as for being the Yard stick , that's what he was doing , Comparing .
***** Not to mention the amounts of times people have compared the Cold Steel Knives to CRK and saying that cold steel falls short for making their knives in taiwan and not to high tolerances ,This is the same comparison as you said "comparing a Land Rover and a Ferrari off road " .
PeterPiperGamer YT Cold Steel standard? OH so if it is Cold Steel standard it is "correct" right? Do you even know how frame lock works? For a frame lock to fully function, you need to hold it. It was design to be in your hand. This is a bullshit test because this test is the same as testing the above knife with a fixed blade. It tells you NOTHING.
Rolex vs Casio
backlock (CSteel) is much superior than frame- or liner locks. period.
actually its because a frame lock and liner lock is cheaper to make
Nobody here is even saying it! PROBLY DO NOT REALIZE! I do not personally even own a CRK knife BUT the truth is:
The inherit problem with testing frame locks this way is... a frame lock is designed to work with the user gripping the handle, holding that lock bar in! faulty test on that aspect in my opinion.
This is the equivalent of using a knife with telekinetic powers, where your hands aren't gripping the handle for the hard work! lol
+Max Savino That could be the case, but I don't think a hand would help too much. When that bar starts to slip, which the fat on a hand can not stop, you lose the static friction which is far stronger than kinetic friction. And the ratio between how far the bar has to slide vs. the pressure is like a huge torque reduction, as soon as it starts to go, it goes fast.
But even still, you have to admit, it performed horribly. I am pretty sure they tested a Kershaw Cryo that did a lot better.
Honestly this test did not change much for me... I am still going buy a Sebenza one day.
Well, if your just holding it in your hand to look at it sure, but if your swinging that thing around, to the point of you hitting the spine against something with THAT much energy, your ganna be gripping that thing pretty damn hard!
Either way... they are still not testing it properly, they should be testing their tri add lock with pocket lint stuck in the back of the pivot then!
Max Savino I actually have not run into that problem with any of my Cold Steels in the years I have carried them. The closest thin to that is my gen 1 Boker Kwaiken needs it's internal stop pin grove cleaned out so it can close and open a bit better.
It was the Kershaw leek (frame lock) I was thinking of, not the Cryo. As awesome as the Sebenza is, it is kind of sad it is weaker than a Kershaw leek.
+Max Savino 9:25 the user is gripping the handle
+Max Savino No matter how hard you are holding that knife it won't help when serious shock is applied to the blade. He even holds the blade in the second part of the video anyways and it still does not help.
You cold steel fanboys do realize which side of the blade you use when cutting right?
Can one of you enlighten me exactly when you use a knife and load it up in that direction? is it a cold steel thing?
Test 2 also loading the knife in the reverse direction to its intended design and after breaking the lock in the first test making a big thing about it not holding in the second, well, surprise, surprise.
Well good on CS for designing a lock that wont break in the reverse direction that will never be loaded in that direction during use.
I noticed during this CRK beat up they didnt test the hardness or edge holding ability of the 2 respective knives, bullshit it seems does baffle brains.
+dhc4ever It's not a field test. It's more of a laboratory test. However, it does make a point...the Cold Steel Triad lock is extremely strong, which means that it's less likely to close on your hand if you make a mistake, or if you have to use it hard in an emergency. Does it need to be that strong? Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. That's for the user to decide. I appreciate these tests; however, they in no way diminish my view of CRK. The Sebenza has its place and its purpose. But admittedly, if I'm going on a trek deep into the wilderness, the folder in my pocket will be a Cold Steel.
This test is like taking a Jeep Wrangler and a Ferrari, putting them both on an off road course. Then complaining about how the Ferrari failed to preform as well as the Jeep wrangler. This series of testing is obviously geared towards the Cold Steel Code 4. It's all about using the right tool for the job!! If I was realistically going to be doing some seriously tough/difficult hard cutting tasks I would use a Fixed blade or at least a Tri-Ad lock cold steel if I had to choose a folder. If I want to carry a high end(true high quality) folder made with great attention to detail with perfect tolerances and quality control for my EDC cutting tasks, then I would carry the Chris Reeve Sebenza! You really need to watch every video with a "Grain of Salt." Don't get me wrong the Tri-Ad lock is the strongest folding lock out there, but Cold Steel is trying to sell product. Cold steel is trying to compare apples to oranges here and basically pray apon the average knife buyers lack of knife knowledge!! Just think about it, would you realistically chop and hack(hard use cut) with a Chris Reeve Sebenza like you would a Cold Steel Tri-Ad lock folder. This test to me just shows how these locks are different and how these two knives are ment for different types of use. Real knife people know this and they know The Chris Reeve Sebenza is an amazing high end knife, not crap that this video is trying to portray!!
:) IF ONLY IT WERE TRUE its nothing personal your just stupid as fuck and lack any insight beyond your 400 dollar hole in your wallet, but i like blind faith i helps make these conversions more offensive to you, i have nearly 350 production knives including a 90s sebi and most are garbage (lets not pretend here), but here this is repeated empirical testing done for what a year or two now with cold steel buying everyones garbage and testing for your benefit in this case, i have no particular love for them or any one of the other lowest bidders, but sure keep your blinders on and pretend
If there was an Industry Award for knife that's continuously made that instantly destroys your pockets - Cold Steel(Voyager series)
Question - why did Cold Steel still make knives that have 350 grit feeling G-10/plastic handle scales with non flexible solid steel pocket clips that instantly destroy your pockets? Also why did it take 35 years for Cold Steel to use blade steels other than VG-1 and AUS-8.
I have been collecting knives since the mid to late 90's and I also have about 400 knives both production knives and custom knives. That fact that you as a knife collector you can't understand the concept that it's about picking the right tool for the job is mind boggling. The large Sebenza 21 I have works just fine on any realistic EDC cutting tasks that I face on a daily basis. If your using a sebenza 21 to the point that your disengaging(having lock failure) while the blade is open, your probably doing a task that requires a fix blade!! If I know I'm going to be doing some serious hacking chopping cutting and want to carry a folder I would carry one of my Tri-Ad Cold Steel knives. Again comparing the Code 4 and Sebenza is like comparing apples to oranges!! My current favorite EDC blade is the Spyderco Manix 2 lightweight(S110V), I don't always carry expensive knives. Cold Steel has the worlds strongest lock(Tri-Ad) that's undeniable. But what's also undeniable is that Cold Steel also has shitty quality control(Made Over seas in Asia), shit customer service and mall ninja marketing!!!
When did Cold Steel ever win an indusrty "Manufacturing Quality Award" or the "Overall Knife of the Year Award"? Chris Reeve Knives won Manufacturing Quality Award - 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007,2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 and Overall Knife of the Year - 2008("Umnumzaan") and they also won 2005 "Collector Knife of the Year" ("21st Anniversary Sebenza").
so really really QC is really up to snuff if two new inbox knives fail of the first go around in both tests hmmmmmmmm you and every other sebi owner make a great marketing mouth pieces for CRK(industry awards are meaningless every one gets one eventually for showing up) but in reality there just another over priced knife, i told you i have no particular love for any production knife brand they all make crap ALLLLLLLLL of them , in fact it would be funny to see these same tests with any other brands vs those 2 sebies and thats just the point, hard fail on both more then twice all i here from you is marketing dribble and excuses you just represent the cult of personality around the brand, i never once mentioned the triad lock or CS i dont care about them or that they were better, just that the sebi failed an EASY EASY test you have got small dick issues if your gonna keep going on about nothing we already all know or have heard before over and over from every other crk fan boy your fucking useless, theres is just no excuse for ANYknife to fail that easily and that quickly NONE talk facts not marketing you waste of space, and really really your gonna complain about your delicate pockets wow just wow gotta reach for that one huh well i guess you are defending the obviously delicate sebi by comparison i should of expected it, you have nothing but excuses for what happend in the video and your just makeing shit up to excuse it, and sure good steel is a nice to have always but compared to heat treat and grind geometry it means little in "practical uses "(your a fucking idiot), 3.5 pounds of presssure to pierce skin i could use a sharp stick
SEBENZA MEMERS ON SUICIDE WATCH
#BTFO
haha cold steel knives built for people who dont use knives properly. who would do these things to their knife in the real world. no one. these tests are so pointless.
+Josh Daoust
Not really pointless, because when a knife is being abused that's when it's most important for it to hold up and not fail. I think a lock should not be so weak and fail so easily especially on such an expensive knife
Or you could flip the knives around to show everyday use. If someone is using a knife this way they shouldnt be allowed to own one to begin with.
GunOwnerDan
Exactly. Tests to prove how a product performs a task it was not designed to do is completely pointless
Josh Skipworth
cool to watch and most people fall for it, it would be fine is cold steel didnt sue crkt for a useless reason.
+Josh Daoust you sir is a dumb ass and a true idiot, the most important thing on a folding knives is the LOCK, the reason why people don't like to use a knife for hard use cause the lock is weak and will fail, but Andrew came up with amazing triads lock that revolutionary changing folding knives ability to do more then just a folding knives, you came here make up bullshit to justify you're shitty purchase doesn't change the FACT that coldsteel have better design stronger lock, you can argue that what you would use your folding knives for but that just your opinions , in this case you lose
Why did the video get blacked out?
I frequently carry slip joint knives (no lock) and have never had one close on me by accident in sixty nine years. That's because I use them the way they were meant to be used.
Why is half of the video blackout??
please , please do a medford test..... a large expensive medford against a medium priced, medium sized CS......i promise ill buy a swift when that review is shown here...i have a lot of discussions on the internet...and im proudly defending my fav brand CS..so help me out guys ;-)
Sebenza probably not designed to work but to impress in showcases.
They advertise the Sebenza as a hard work knife.
I have 5 Cold Steel knives all of which have the original AUS8 steel. They have been good knives for what I have used them for. I removed all the finishes on the black coated blades as it was not holding up at all. Probably won't go out and buy the new ones just to change out the steel on the blade. I have owned a Sebenza 25 for about 1 1/2 yrs and it has been a very good knife for what I have used it for and will keep it. I never spine whack a folding knife nor do I baton a folding knife. I have other more appropriate knives that serve those purposes when I need it.
I love this video. Only thing is that people hate the truth sometimes. I've been a coldsteel fan since I was a lil boy and you guys were selling em out a booth at the pamona gun show. Of course that's when gun shows were real gun shows. Great work and great products!!!!!
The stability of the Sebenza's frame lock is enhanced by the user's grip which keeps the blade from slipping. If you use a vice to pinch the surfaces of the frame together (mimicking a grip) I think you would see the Sebenza perform much better.
+MarshalNey13 Guess that means they should include a set of visegrips with every knife, huh. Bet a Triad will hold more if you put a C-clamp over the back spring, too, but that isn't the point.
Personally I'd like to see both battoned to failure. Now that's a fair test.
+Len Zielenski
well,yes. Measure someone from the office's grip strength and just use that as a standard value. Then apply a C clamp to each knife to ensure that amount of pressure gets applied to the handle of each blade. I am not nut hugging the sebenza I want to know the chances of it failing in my hand more than it failing in a vacuum.
+MarshalNey13 it also failed when he had a grip on it. When a frame lock starts to cam out the layers of skin and fat in your hand are going to negate your point.
dudeman is loving that action on the sebenza at 4:05 , tho...
Attention all who bash Cold Steel and disregard irrefutable proof....
I think this is a case of someone who is upset they paid $400 for an inferior lock design. As far as I am concerned it's a triad lock or nothing. Be it a $400 or $4000 knife, frame locks are prone to camming out of position and releasing. Period. There's a reason Cold Steel doesn't make a frame lock. FORTY FIVE POUNDS!!! really? If these manufacturers would quit milling away valuable material and design something that uses leverage (not a weak spot) to release the lock, maybe they could legitimately brag about their lock strength.
+M3thodTSixshot Not all doors have locks. Not all doors need them. But, when you lock your front door, would you want the lock to
fail from a good hard push?
+djk721963 Dumbest most irrelevant answer ever.
+Evan Eriksen That would be an analogy, not an answer. Who's the dumbest?
What exactly are you using your knife for? Enquiring minds want to know...
Best lock in the game for me has to be the spyderco compression lock. Not because of how strong it is, but because how easy and safe it is to use. Followed closely by the axis lock.
I cant remember the last time I required my knife handle to hold 45 pounds... or the last time I wacked a knife from behind with force?
The test in-it-of-itself is flawed in that its not really realistic for real use. It would be like strapping some c4 to a knife, blowing it up and gloating that it can survive a bomb. Yes, thats cool.. but I dont need a bomb proof knife. I need something that cuts, would like something that is made well, and last forever since I get attached to my knives. My spydercos military and peramillitary 2 fit the bill. Now, if you will excuse me, I need to go wack my knife really hard for absolutely no reason.
I wonder if a Stainless Steel framelock woukd have less give. Would love to see some similar tests.
I've had my Code 4 for a while now and am still happy as can be. The CTS XHP is fantastic and I'm pretty sure I could hang my Jeep from it and it wouldn't fail. Happy customer
I don't know if it's just my TH-cam for some reason or if it's everybody's but after a certain point it goes black with just the audio and I think it happened in another video too
Mine too
when you test framelocks i think you sould put tape or somthing around the handel because the framelocks are made so that most have constat invards presure from your grip while its in the hand that shoud prevent most lockslipp and be more realistic
Watch the video again. He gripped the sebenza and pushed down. It failed.
Thanks for this comparison. I am not rich enough to afford a Sebenza and Cold Steel is one of my favorite brands. I think the Cold Steel lock is the best in the market. I relay wish I could say made in America is better, but that is quickly changing in every field and merchandise.
Something went bad with the video. The part where the seb fails the weight hang and AD is very polite and tries another brand new from the box seb and it fails too. It's all missing... you can see it fail at 4:35, but the sound is off...
wtf? the video is broken or something. half of the video is just black and the sound doesn't match the visual
Same here, despite the passage of time and my efforts with iPad, Chromebook, etc. Lawsuit? Compromise?
No, I'm wrong. I just went on the specs you listed at the beginning, which were wrong with regard to overall length. Sorry.
I like how honest he is with the competition knives talking about their quality and what not lol