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I have found 2 ways of viewing what to do with our lives one is coping as best we can with our meaningless existence or to connect with and find meaning in that connection to others. We are always motivated toward connection - don't kid yourself, even if that connection is unattainable. I see this as two poles in flux between resignation or shoring up against what we know to be true: we are ultimately metaphysically ungrounded and therefore unable to commit ontologically to 'anything', and the other is to strive for connection a connection that finds its root (or ground) in being human. to lay this out by the sources of this understanding I use Lacan: who acknowledges our ungroundedness and our constant seeking to connect, we lack the ability to connect and will constantly exchange one failed attempt for the next. And the second pole is Kristeva who sees us a born connected to being human (through our mothers - every human has one: and at one time is connected if not to Reality, we are at least connected to being human at birth), a connection in which share that common experience. Where I think we go wrong is in trying to make a connection to a transcendental reality, a fictional one. What i think happens is we project onto reality an idealised version of ourselves. When we feel connected to reality in actuality we are only connected to ourselves. I realize there is a lot to unpack here. I wish I could explain it more simply.
The first time I watched true detective I thought “damn, this rust guy has it all figured out. If you’re disillusioned with everything you can’t be fooled, and if you know who you are regardless of how it looks on the outside you can achieve great things” on the second watch I realized rust is literally killing himself every moment he’s on screen. This man has nothing at all past the case and it has aged him terribly. On the second watch I realized he’s a cautionary tale for those who follow such similar lines of thinking. I could so easily be an old addict working 5 days a week and spending two piss drunk in the back room I rent from some business under the table lamenting about the things I lost. If you let yourself see only darkness, that’s all thatll be there for you, and it’ll kill you sooner or later. You gotta find and cherish the little pinpricks of light, no matter how far part they may be.
The ground floor foundation of reality is, objectively, Nothing Matters. This is good, because it gives us the freedom to build something that matters to us.
As a long time doomer, in the last year especially, I appreciate this analysis. However I disagree with the closing stement: 'The antidote to doomerism is philosophy' because if my instinct of societal collapse does come to fruition, and my cynicism was correct then the 'antidote' would only be denial, which isn't an antidote. I can use philosophy to numb my appropriate feeling of dread, but that doesn't negate the fact that the doomer outlook is correct.
Not to take away your world view, but the circular logic you employ suggests, that you could really use a dose of open minded thought. You might positively surprise yourself.
Objective truth can’t be known to the human mind so whether or not your outlook is correct is subjective. What do you gain from being miserable? Possibly comfort since it logically incentivizes inaction and apathy, never grasping for ambition or developing bonds with people. Is it worth it? I don’t know, maybe for some people. I think that if we can’t ever have the fundamental questions of existence answered then we should just live for living’s sake, incorporating anything that allows us to *live* more, rather than just having a pulse and waiting to become dust.
@@Jonathanizer What do you mean with open minded thought? I am updating my ideas constantly, have a positive reaction when I change my view on something, that's my interpretation of being open minded. I'd be interested to hear yours.
@@E_V878 If society collapses in the next decade, doomerism isn't subjective if it does actually collapse in the next decade. Doomerism is more of a prediction than a philosophy, the philosophy aspect is coming to terms with the prediction as opposed to giving ones self false hope and optimism about our impending demise.
@Silks- I don't think doomerism is a prediction first and foremost. Even an optimistisch or bloomer person or whatever can predict society collapsing (I do.) Where both differentiate is how they deal with that, thus putting back philosophy at the forefront. I think society will collapse, all do, time erodes and grows things, but then how do you recon with that. I think responses to questions like: What does it mean for a society to collapse, and what will happen after? Are way more indicative of what it means to be or not to be a doomer. Philosophies like optimism and pessimism have always been in response to the stimuli of the world, but that doesn't outright change the stimuli. It's just our brain doing backflips.
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Doomerism is awareness & focusing on the worst human traits, behaviours, injustices & the power of evil in a cold & bleak universe There may not be any hope But amongst the suffering, pain, heartbreak & evil there are moments of relief, joy, awe & connection where some people rise above evil & ego to genuinely strive to make the lives of those they care about, less shit, even if only for a brief period
I reject the idea that the way to have good life was ever to feel entitled to something from others. In reality you show up to life a certain way to be loyal to yourself, to be good to yourself, so that you can look yourself in the mirror and say that you did, you did not want to, it was not easy, but you did the hard things for yourself bc they needed to get done and bc that is better than sitting around and pretending like you did not do anything bc nobody was waiting to reward you for it.
Maybe we dont have the solutions to be perfect beings, ones without evil. We have the belief that we know what is right but we do not know what others see outside for it takes time and cannot be always thought of. We seek idealistic thoughts, not thoughts of leisure and happiness but of productivity and materialism. What if theres another way? What if we have the tools to create something better but we are afraid to move into something different. Something equal. Because equality is not wanted by all in fact its easily stated that most people do not agree on what equality even is. So if we need to agree to be successful it seems helpless. Alienation is our world, the fear of the unknown is prominent because nobody can control the outside factors of our world. As found in our work, school, or even at home people can betray you that are closer than most. life constantly gives you problems and hardships. Our desire is comfort and security but change breaks that. What if we are chained to our previous generations ideas for the fact that we are more comfortable then ever. Luxury cars, bigger houses, more security, weapons for self defense, knowledge at our fingertips, and socialization at home. If our comfort is holding us back from change then may we leave these comforts for others to be equal? Should we live in the system of comfort or the path of hardships, the answer should be simple, comfort. Remember our entire existence is made to be comfortable now. Making it harder to separate yourself from your comfortability and to choose self sufficient life of a farmer or hunter. A life without work and full of leisure till you are satisfied with your own life. That is what I believe to be freedom.
Dawkins would argue that the next stage of evolution would be through artifical or synthetic means. Knowing that we can only carry on so long as a species with finite resources, in order to overcome legitimate threats to our species may require cold analytical decisions to enhance ourselves in order to survive. He too very much doubts that any other intelligent life in the universe can reach us without themselves being synthetically enhanced. So, sadly we must detach our humanity and natural inclinations and adapt in order to survive in a ver real hostile universe.
@@bhante1345I do wonder if cold logic is truly the next step. Maybe there would be value to keeping certain aspects of human nature unrelated to our intelligence? May just be bias as well, fondness for what made us human.
it does if those people wield the levers of power over others. because if you dont find the objective value in human life, you can justify the worst atrocities imaginable. so logically, its best nihilistic attitudes never take root in the first place and, sorry to tell you this, that requires a reassessment on the value of metaphysics.
If all you can do is humble yourself in life, then you are living the path of a philosopher. If you can't live practical philosophy then all you are doing is masterbating.
@@bhante1345 man does not live on bread and philosophy only money is more important, there isn't anything humble about curiosity and compassion. Is self responsibility not the most humble pursuit for a person
This has to be the most Christian video I've ever seen. "The key to salvation is to question authority and practice boundless love. The answer is philosophy." (You can really see how heavily Greek-influenced this religion is). "Just keep hoping and everything will work out." I hate to be the one to say it, but the bubble is going to burst sooner than you expect, and when it does, questioning authority and waxing philosophical is going to accomplish exactly nothing. The solution is not more questioning and doubt, but rather, accepting the fact that the absolute worst power structure is no power structure at all. "The good life" is coming back, believe it or not.
This is what I felt while rewatching , in a world full of Marty’s be a rust , but tbh marty is still better than most cause he is at the edge of changing
@@Fcpuru95but the whole point is finding a middle point .. isn’t it? weirdly enough lol ive tried being a “rust” and would still somehow be having inconsistent beliefs such as thinking that everyone else is “ignorant” and how im better than them like atleast ik it makes no sense but they dont, they dont question like i do and finding middle point is just compassionate ig.. like neither of us can ever know which one is right even after all this search and being an athiest, maybe god will exist afterall or something else? the thing is neither of us know any better so being super close minded in any extreme side is just.. bad ig
“The antidote to Doomerism’ is Philosophy.” I have recently started to accept my depression as a way to inspire me to be productive, but use my time wisely. To engage with others but to not digress. To be present but not naïve.
Yeah! Ever since I found this channel & others (Pursuit of Wonder...etc.). My perspective changed from "Oh! I feel bad" to "Oh! I feel bad but I think I understand why". I've started to spend time understanding myself more as to "why i'm feeling a certain way!" & "what now!". I guess you could say I'm being a true detective to my own state of mind. Finding philosophy is probably the nicest thing that has ever happened. :)
Dr. Edward Dutton argues that depression may in fact be a natural response to the world for a healthy mind. We are no longer under high pressure to hunt, conserve food or survive a winter, and seeing the endless leisure of the modern world is in itself depressing as it becomes glaringly obvious we face no true challenge. The best way over your depression is through it, allow it to happen and then carry on no matter how long it takes, it always lifts, just develope your own intercommunication tools to know when you are deep in it.
@bhante1345 I think our means of survival just changed. There's a bit of loss in the standard nature of actually "earning" your survival. The means of "survival" today are much more contrived in a way that, for most people, doesn't give freedom. Because the strongest pressure and I think cause of our social issues was our ability to come together. You often see that in times of crisis, but most of the time people are isolating others and themselves, and it's a frustrating thing to deal with.
Some of Rust's dialogue is incredibly similar to The Last Messiah by the pessimist philosopher Peter Wessel Zapffe. "I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in human evolution. We became too self aware; nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself. We are creatures that should not exist by natural law." is almost like a condensed version of that essay.
Wasn't there legal trouble or the threat thereof between the shows writer and Thomas liggotti,writer of "conspiracy against the human race" for plagiarism? Not only zappfe,who is a central piece of conspiracy's thesis, but other lines of dialog lifted nigh on wholesale.
Sounds really profound but there's no way to prove that's "you" are a product of nature and not the other way around. And indeed there's a lot more evidence pointing to that "nature" is a product of consciousness. At least assuredly to the extent that we interact with it. That viewpoint expressed by rust is to blame "the world" and "nature" for who and what you are rather than taking it upon oneself.
I loved the end of this season because of Marty’s comment about the stars. We should endeavor to improve ourselves and humanity, not despair because of its many faults.
That scene has stuck with me too. For me it's an acknowledgement that the good we can actually do in the world might be a tiny fleeting light in the darkness, but it's still better that it's there, because afterall there was once a time when there was only darkness.
to paraphrase shakespear "it is a mistake to find a fault in the stars we hold up high, for what we see in them is merely a reflection of ourselves" the world is like this because enough people chose to make it this way and the greatest lie ever told was we dont have any other choice. we can always choose to be kind and wise rather than cyncial and selfish and that is a gift we should never squander in our eternal journey to learn who we really are.
I never thought I'd see this channel drop a video essay specifically _about_ a work of fiction rather than sporadically using works of fiction to illustrate a given philosophy, but I'm not complaining.
the atmosphere of this show is perfect, the southern gothic vibe really fit organically well to the story being told. i would be absolutely delighted if nic pizzalatto writes a season on rusts narcos days.
I've felt such affinity for rust that I keep watching the series over and over. We never see characters like him - isolated, depressed, introspective, and wholey at peace with what they are. Most normal characters would have rust chasing or being chased by women, persuing wealth or riches, fame, anything... but rust just keeps to himself in his plain apartment thinking.
You can definitely tell that some of Thomas Ligotti’s writings (particularly “Conspiracy Against The Human Race”) influenced Rust’s character quite a bit. In my opinion anyway.
i love listening to this while trying to draw. i've been in such a pessimistic art block and listening to this really helped me get out of that state of mind.
Thank you for this insightful video. I've seen so many videos talking about Rust's philosophy and character arc, but this is the only time where I've seen someone analyze with so much depth about Marty, as I personally thought his character deserved a good introspection too. Your dissection into the "cruel optimism" that Marty has clarified some things for me. Especially the possible reasons as to why he never was honest to his family/wife, why he kept having an affair, and etc. He says in the show that he doesn't want to bring "all this shit" home, which means that his attachment to the image of a good life probably prevented him from risking the unknown consequences for that by sharing his thoughts about the case to his wife, confronting Audrey about her weird drawings, leading him to find an outlet through his affairs. I also found it very interesting how you said Rust's attachment to pessimism, or "detachment," was part of the reason why he and Marty didn't realize they didn't catch the right killer. Since technically in the show, they weren't able to know because Marty shot Reggie. And Rust did come back to Louisiana because he figured out that they didn't catch the real killer. I also just finished the show, so my memory isn't the best lol
Sisyphus 55: the antidote to doomerism is philosophy. Me: must be why I'm so content as of late. I've been focusing more of my attention on inward thought and having a consistent philosophical outlook. Thanks Sisyphus, you're part of my contentment.
@@thenightwatchman1598you’re absolutely right, falling into this fallacy will surely turn the soul rotten, if it were. The ideal notion we must admit to ourselves is that there are certain truths and finding ourselves loving others by absorbing their opinion and carefully considering their truth to the parallels of our own can help us navigate existence with a broader purpose, my view is the purpose/passion for knowledge, to find the truths, the whole truths and the abstract truths. Contemplating reality sure does make me hungry. 🆗
It would have been better to have done a video on Thomas Ligotti's The Conspiracy Against the Human Race, since Nick Pizzolatto shamelessly plagiarized it for the first season of True Detective. Pizzolatto also shamelessly plagiarized the final scene from Alan Moore.
I don't think you know what "plagiarizing" means. Pizzolatto has names these sources and others as inspirations, which is in the end all they are. With your narrow interpretation of what would constitute plagiarism, we would all be constantly plagiarize other people in all our works and everyday behaviour.
@@Jonathanizerif you look at it side by side,it's a bit more than "inspired by" in my opinion. I get what you're saying and I'm not into calling people out over any and everything, but liggotti is hardly some multimillionaire household name who can just eat it when someone xeroxes his works. I love that first season,I've returned to it many times over the years,but I'd read conspiracy first and the similarity jumped right out at me when first I watched it.
There is no way... I just finished watching it for the second time. You making a video on true Detective is such a pleasant surprise. It's like Christmas all over again
“I'm a pessimist because of intelligence, but an optimist because of will.” ― Antonio Gramsci, Prison Letters "Optimism and stupidity are nearly synonymous." ― Admiral H.G. Rickover
The world may be doomed but yours doesn’t have to be. I had a very doomerist outlook for years and then started looking inward and focusing on myself-not selfishly, I still cared for others and did things for those I care about or causes I felt strongly about-but I started focusing on anything I could control in my own life and solely focused on improving those things The world is what I make it
My favorite show and my favorite philosophical TH-camr! ❤️ There’s a consistent undercurrent of identity to season one I didn’t pick up on until rewatching. Marty’s flaw (according to his ex wife Maggie) was that he didn’t know who he really was or what he wanted. He later tells Rust “I used to play baseball and ride bulls….you end up becoming something you never intended.” Rust on the other hand: “after all this time I know myself. And there’s a victory in that.”
If not as a direct antidote, pondering and playing with philosophy is at least a good distraction (I'd call myself a doomer). It can serve as a mental workout that distracts and fiddles with interesting ideas while simultaneously acting as an on the fly spring cleaning of the mind. Taking time to really work an idea through can let you get it properly out the door and get to something better. Even writing that thought down in a document you'll never read can work wonders. I guess that's a pretty direct antidote to doomerism...
People are so quick to blame the entire world when the cause of their suffering either comes from internal desires or just from a small subjection of the world. Your death-end job, your abusive parents or the political system are not „the world“. In addition, peoples lives tend to become what they think it is. If they think it is only suffering then they will only focus on suffering which will multiply it’s impact on your psyche. It is somewhat of a self-fulfilling prophecy. When it comes to philosophy, then in small Dosis it can help one to understand oneself better as it gives one the ability of self-reflection, but when it goes to the point of a obsession then it will be more harm then good, ultimately the pure skepticism and detachment of philosophy is dissatisfying and this will make your life experience worse in the process.
@@bhante1345 lightskin staring the police officer at the red light, and he is approaching me (I'm not wearing a helmet and also don't have my license on me)
Here is my one, sure-fire source of optimism: 252 million years ago, 80% of marine species and 70% of terrestrial vertebrate species went extinct ("The Great Dying"). That was followed by the spectacularly wonderful Age of Dinosaurs!!! How cool is that?! Mother Nature CANNOT be defeated! (Puts a big grin on my face.)
schopenhauer...even camus. if philosophy means accepting our doom but remaining prescient enough to experience jouissance, well then theres still a remainder of regret. pessimism and optimism seems like a false dichotomy. tbh ive read more deleuze than anyone: any response from him about Opt v Pes is just that, not his primary concern, so i dont know if its fair to include him where he excluded himself
having watched this video a few times, I gotta say I think changing the thumbnail and title was the right move. The first watch through I definitely was focused on the True Detective part of the video and less on the actual message you were trying to get across about doomerism. either way I think everything you make is great but I figured I'd throw it out there :P
Interesting how many people latched on to Cohle as one of those stereotypical "literally me" protagonists, where so much of S1 seems to be picking apart his philosophy by showing the personal toll of his attempts to live within all its contradictions.
It's damaging to the reality of the situation to create this dumb non-existent category of doomer. We are all just ordinary people who can see the writing on the wall. Very bad practice to legitimize this term We should all be as aware as those you label doomers The word does nothing constructive for anyone at any time
What makes you think turning towards God is cowardly? Jesus is the only authentic answer to nihilism. Kierkegaard spoke about the heroism needed to live a life based on faith in "Fear and trembling". Living without God is pretty in-authentic.
Rust seeing the swirl and reacting the way you said by letting go of preconceived notions for love. I exerpeinced a similar thing when i took a lot of shrooms. I realized there is a lot about human experience that is still left and i atopped being so nihilistic and certain.
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Video is an hour old but this comment is 22hr old. Mr time traveler
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Man you would love disco elysium
“We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.”
― Oscar Wilde,
Chrissie Hynde did a cover of that
Man this crack pipe tastes like roses.
Wilde has some amazing quotes
I'm sticking my middle fingers up at it. While looking at the stars.
@@ButtersCCookie YES BROTHER let is turn the stars red with xeno blood wanting us to suffer *40k imperium noises*
I have found 2 ways of viewing what to do with our lives one is coping as best we can with our meaningless existence or to connect with and find meaning in that connection to others. We are always motivated toward connection - don't kid yourself, even if that connection is unattainable. I see this as two poles in flux between resignation or shoring up against what we know to be true: we are ultimately metaphysically ungrounded and therefore unable to commit ontologically to 'anything', and the other is to strive for connection a connection that finds its root (or ground) in being human.
to lay this out by the sources of this understanding I use
Lacan: who acknowledges our ungroundedness and our constant seeking to connect, we lack the ability to connect and will constantly exchange one failed attempt for the next.
And the second pole is
Kristeva who sees us a born connected to being human (through our mothers - every human has one: and at one time is connected if not to Reality, we are at least connected to being human at birth), a connection in which share that common experience.
Where I think we go wrong is in trying to make a connection to a transcendental reality, a fictional one. What i think happens is we project onto reality an idealised version of ourselves. When we feel connected to reality in actuality we are only connected to ourselves.
I realize there is a lot to unpack here. I wish I could explain it more simply.
Excellent excellent essay
I love how you never make videos to showcase your knowledge. Your work is so pure, precise, and uncontaminated that it almost moves me
The first time I watched true detective I thought “damn, this rust guy has it all figured out. If you’re disillusioned with everything you can’t be fooled, and if you know who you are regardless of how it looks on the outside you can achieve great things” on the second watch I realized rust is literally killing himself every moment he’s on screen. This man has nothing at all past the case and it has aged him terribly. On the second watch I realized he’s a cautionary tale for those who follow such similar lines of thinking. I could so easily be an old addict working 5 days a week and spending two piss drunk in the back room I rent from some business under the table lamenting about the things I lost. If you let yourself see only darkness, that’s all thatll be there for you, and it’ll kill you sooner or later. You gotta find and cherish the little pinpricks of light, no matter how far part they may be.
I just finished this show and it was amazing!
The ground floor foundation of reality is, objectively, Nothing Matters. This is good, because it gives us the freedom to build something that matters to us.
If we have the strength to do it
@@adrienhirtz2788 you can find the strength or simply settle for less, either way it's possible to be happy
@@ortervesyes but happiness alone should not be the goal.
As a long time doomer, in the last year especially, I appreciate this analysis.
However I disagree with the closing stement: 'The antidote to doomerism is philosophy' because if my instinct of societal collapse does come to fruition, and my cynicism was correct then the 'antidote' would only be denial, which isn't an antidote. I can use philosophy to numb my appropriate feeling of dread, but that doesn't negate the fact that the doomer outlook is correct.
Not to take away your world view, but the circular logic you employ suggests, that you could really use a dose of open minded thought. You might positively surprise yourself.
Objective truth can’t be known to the human mind so whether or not your outlook is correct is subjective.
What do you gain from being miserable? Possibly comfort since it logically incentivizes inaction and apathy, never grasping for ambition or developing bonds with people. Is it worth it? I don’t know, maybe for some people. I think that if we can’t ever have the fundamental questions of existence answered then we should just live for living’s sake, incorporating anything that allows us to *live* more, rather than just having a pulse and waiting to become dust.
@@Jonathanizer What do you mean with open minded thought? I am updating my ideas constantly, have a positive reaction when I change my view on something, that's my interpretation of being open minded. I'd be interested to hear yours.
@@E_V878 If society collapses in the next decade, doomerism isn't subjective if it does actually collapse in the next decade. Doomerism is more of a prediction than a philosophy, the philosophy aspect is coming to terms with the prediction as opposed to giving ones self false hope and optimism about our impending demise.
@Silks- I don't think doomerism is a prediction first and foremost. Even an optimistisch or bloomer person or whatever can predict society collapsing (I do.) Where both differentiate is how they deal with that, thus putting back philosophy at the forefront.
I think society will collapse, all do, time erodes and grows things, but then how do you recon with that. I think responses to questions like: What does it mean for a society to collapse, and what will happen after? Are way more indicative of what it means to be or not to be a doomer.
Philosophies like optimism and pessimism have always been in response to the stimuli of the world, but that doesn't outright change the stimuli. It's just our brain doing backflips.
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Doomerism is awareness & focusing on the worst human traits, behaviours, injustices & the power of evil in a cold & bleak universe
There may not be any hope
But amongst the suffering, pain, heartbreak & evil there are moments of relief, joy, awe & connection where some people rise above evil & ego to genuinely strive to make the lives of those they care about, less shit, even if only for a brief period
I just finished rewatching the show 5 minutes ago. What a coincidence.
Mathematical probability more like.
@@bhante1345yes
I reject the idea that the way to have good life was ever to feel entitled to something from others.
In reality you show up to life a certain way to be loyal to yourself, to be good to yourself, so that you can look yourself in the mirror and say that you did, you did not want to, it was not easy, but you did the hard things for yourself bc they needed to get done and bc that is better than sitting around and pretending like you did not do anything bc nobody was waiting to reward you for it.
Maybe we dont have the solutions to be perfect beings, ones without evil. We have the belief that we know what is right but we do not know what others see outside for it takes time and cannot be always thought of. We seek idealistic thoughts, not thoughts of leisure and happiness but of productivity and materialism. What if theres another way? What if we have the tools to create something better but we are afraid to move into something different. Something equal. Because equality is not wanted by all in fact its easily stated that most people do not agree on what equality even is. So if we need to agree to be successful it seems helpless. Alienation is our world, the fear of the unknown is prominent because nobody can control the outside factors of our world. As found in our work, school, or even at home people can betray you that are closer than most. life constantly gives you problems and hardships. Our desire is comfort and security but change breaks that. What if we are chained to our previous generations ideas for the fact that we are more comfortable then ever. Luxury cars, bigger houses, more security, weapons for self defense, knowledge at our fingertips, and socialization at home. If our comfort is holding us back from change then may we leave these comforts for others to be equal? Should we live in the system of comfort or the path of hardships, the answer should be simple, comfort. Remember our entire existence is made to be comfortable now. Making it harder to separate yourself from your comfortability and to choose self sufficient life of a farmer or hunter. A life without work and full of leisure till you are satisfied with your own life. That is what I believe to be freedom.
Quote from my wife during episode 2 S1..."If you say Schopenhauer once more, I'm turning the TV off..."
My favorite season of television
I don't think Rust perspective on human becoming separate from natural evolution make sense in scientific view. does it?
Dawkins would argue that the next stage of evolution would be through artifical or synthetic means. Knowing that we can only carry on so long as a species with finite resources, in order to overcome legitimate threats to our species may require cold analytical decisions to enhance ourselves in order to survive. He too very much doubts that any other intelligent life in the universe can reach us without themselves being synthetically enhanced. So, sadly we must detach our humanity and natural inclinations and adapt in order to survive in a ver real hostile universe.
@@bhante1345I do wonder if cold logic is truly the next step. Maybe there would be value to keeping certain aspects of human nature unrelated to our intelligence? May just be bias as well, fondness for what made us human.
@@ShimmyFr well either way, I'm going to end my days chasing dinner around the local park and sleeping in recycling bins.
@@bhante1345 sounds like a plan
Absurdism is da wei...trueish
HOLY SHIT SISYPHUS 55 VIDEO ABHOUT TRUE DETECTIVE???!!!
Marty is a goober
Does it really matter whether someone is a nihilist, or not?
it does if those people wield the levers of power over others. because if you dont find the objective value in human life, you can justify the worst atrocities imaginable. so logically, its best nihilistic attitudes never take root in the first place and, sorry to tell you this, that requires a reassessment on the value of metaphysics.
@@thenightwatchman1598 This comment is not intended to be taken seriously :)
The writers copped out right at the very end. Simple as that.
What is the name of that song ?! Been looking for it but can’t find it :(
It’s really cool
Did this man say pleTHORa
the antidote to doomerism is philosophy if you have money and time to waste.
"waste" ...
If all you can do is humble yourself in life, then you are living the path of a philosopher. If you can't live practical philosophy then all you are doing is masterbating.
@@bhante1345 man does not live on bread and philosophy only money is more important, there isn't anything humble about curiosity and compassion.
Is self responsibility not the most humble pursuit for a person
I don’t have the attention span to read theory-it’s too abstract and loaded with info. 😂😅
I love sussypus.
Frist
You are the tru frist
This has to be the most Christian video I've ever seen.
"The key to salvation is to question authority and practice boundless love. The answer is philosophy."
(You can really see how heavily Greek-influenced this religion is).
"Just keep hoping and everything will work out."
I hate to be the one to say it, but the bubble is going to burst sooner than you expect, and when it does, questioning authority and waxing philosophical is going to accomplish exactly nothing.
The solution is not more questioning and doubt, but rather, accepting the fact that the absolute worst power structure is no power structure at all.
"The good life" is coming back, believe it or not.
Sussyphus
I feel like their are an absurd amount of people like "Marty" among us that we just don't know, this was a really interesting video
This is what I felt while rewatching , in a world full of Marty’s be a rust , but tbh marty is still better than most cause he is at the edge of changing
@@Fcpuru95but the whole point is finding a middle point .. isn’t it?
weirdly enough lol ive tried being a “rust” and would still somehow be having inconsistent beliefs such as thinking that everyone else is “ignorant” and how im better than them like atleast ik it makes no sense but they dont, they dont question like i do
and finding middle point is just compassionate ig.. like neither of us can ever know which one is right even after all this search and being an athiest, maybe god will exist afterall or something else? the thing is neither of us know any better so being super close minded in any extreme side is just.. bad ig
@@morningglory.213 why would you try being a Rust? Not even Rusts wants to be a Rust.
@Jonathanizer I love hating myself
Among us
“The antidote to Doomerism’ is Philosophy.”
I have recently started to accept my depression as a way to inspire me to be productive, but use my time wisely. To engage with others but to not digress. To be present but not naïve.
Yeah! Ever since I found this channel & others (Pursuit of Wonder...etc.). My perspective changed from "Oh! I feel bad" to "Oh! I feel bad but I think I understand why". I've started to spend time understanding myself more as to "why i'm feeling a certain way!" & "what now!". I guess you could say I'm being a true detective to my own state of mind. Finding philosophy is probably the nicest thing that has ever happened. :)
please recommend more channels like this@@norliegh
Dr. Edward Dutton argues that depression may in fact be a natural response to the world for a healthy mind. We are no longer under high pressure to hunt, conserve food or survive a winter, and seeing the endless leisure of the modern world is in itself depressing as it becomes glaringly obvious we face no true challenge. The best way over your depression is through it, allow it to happen and then carry on no matter how long it takes, it always lifts, just develope your own intercommunication tools to know when you are deep in it.
@bhante1345 I think our means of survival just changed. There's a bit of loss in the standard nature of actually "earning" your survival. The means of "survival" today are much more contrived in a way that, for most people, doesn't give freedom. Because the strongest pressure and I think cause of our social issues was our ability to come together. You often see that in times of crisis, but most of the time people are isolating others and themselves, and it's a frustrating thing to deal with.
@@bhante1345 Dr. Dutton might be onto something ngl.
Some of Rust's dialogue is incredibly similar to The Last Messiah by the pessimist philosopher Peter Wessel Zapffe. "I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in human evolution. We became too self aware; nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself. We are creatures that should not exist by natural law." is almost like a condensed version of that essay.
Wasn't there legal trouble or the threat thereof between the shows writer and Thomas liggotti,writer of "conspiracy against the human race" for plagiarism? Not only zappfe,who is a central piece of conspiracy's thesis, but other lines of dialog lifted nigh on wholesale.
Sounds really profound but there's no way to prove that's "you" are a product of nature and not the other way around. And indeed there's a lot more evidence pointing to that "nature" is a product of consciousness. At least assuredly to the extent that we interact with it.
That viewpoint expressed by rust is to blame "the world" and "nature" for who and what you are rather than taking it upon oneself.
Or Gnostic.
people despise what they do not fully understand.
Probably the first true detective analysis I’ve seen on TH-cam that said something more than restating facts about the characters and show
My username is just for fun. I promise
I loved the end of this season because of Marty’s comment about the stars. We should endeavor to improve ourselves and humanity, not despair because of its many faults.
That scene has stuck with me too.
For me it's an acknowledgement that the good we can actually do in the world might be a tiny fleeting light in the darkness, but it's still better that it's there, because afterall there was once a time when there was only darkness.
to paraphrase shakespear "it is a mistake to find a fault in the stars we hold up high, for what we see in them is merely a reflection of ourselves" the world is like this because enough people chose to make it this way and the greatest lie ever told was we dont have any other choice. we can always choose to be kind and wise rather than cyncial and selfish and that is a gift we should never squander in our eternal journey to learn who we really are.
@@thenightwatchman1598 Really well put.
You had me at “true detective season 1 video essay.”
I never thought I'd see this channel drop a video essay specifically _about_ a work of fiction rather than sporadically using works of fiction to illustrate a given philosophy, but I'm not complaining.
the atmosphere of this show is perfect, the southern gothic vibe really fit organically well to the story being told. i would be absolutely delighted if nic pizzalatto writes a season on rusts narcos days.
Cormac McCarthy
brilliant is a scam dont waste your time
I've felt such affinity for rust that I keep watching the series over and over. We never see characters like him - isolated, depressed, introspective, and wholey at peace with what they are.
Most normal characters would have rust chasing or being chased by women, persuing wealth or riches, fame, anything... but rust just keeps to himself in his plain apartment thinking.
"We're not born into this world, we are born out of it." Alan Watts
You can definitely tell that some of Thomas Ligotti’s writings (particularly “Conspiracy Against The Human Race”) influenced Rust’s character quite a bit. In my opinion anyway.
Yeah Pizzolatto even was accused of plagiarism. Some of Rust’s lines are apparently near identical to Ligotti’s text
No! You don’t have thousands of years to live! While you live, while you can, become good.
i love listening to this while trying to draw. i've been in such a pessimistic art block and listening to this really helped me get out of that state of mind.
Now draw a picture of someone else picking your nose.
interesting prompt. might just do it@@bhante1345
interesting prompt. i did it and honestly this also really helped me want to draw and laugh more. thank you@@bhante1345
@@bhante1345 good prompt. i tried it and not only did it help me get drawing, but it also gave me a laugh. thanks.
Thank you for this insightful video. I've seen so many videos talking about Rust's philosophy and character arc, but this is the only time where I've seen someone analyze with so much depth about Marty, as I personally thought his character deserved a good introspection too.
Your dissection into the "cruel optimism" that Marty has clarified some things for me. Especially the possible reasons as to why he never was honest to his family/wife, why he kept having an affair, and etc. He says in the show that he doesn't want to bring "all this shit" home, which means that his attachment to the image of a good life probably prevented him from risking the unknown consequences for that by sharing his thoughts about the case to his wife, confronting Audrey about her weird drawings, leading him to find an outlet through his affairs.
I also found it very interesting how you said Rust's attachment to pessimism, or "detachment," was part of the reason why he and Marty didn't realize they didn't catch the right killer. Since technically in the show, they weren't able to know because Marty shot Reggie. And Rust did come back to Louisiana because he figured out that they didn't catch the real killer. I also just finished the show, so my memory isn't the best lol
I clicked so fast I loved season 1 of true detective. That intro music is so bittersweet.
Sisyphus 55: the antidote to doomerism is philosophy.
Me: must be why I'm so content as of late. I've been focusing more of my attention on inward thought and having a consistent philosophical outlook. Thanks Sisyphus, you're part of my contentment.
careful now. dont fall into the trap of being so in your own head that you fall victim to solipsism.
@@thenightwatchman1598you’re absolutely right, falling into this fallacy will surely turn the soul rotten, if it were. The ideal notion we must admit to ourselves is that there are certain truths and finding ourselves loving others by absorbing their opinion and carefully considering their truth to the parallels of our own can help us navigate existence with a broader purpose, my view is the purpose/passion for knowledge, to find the truths, the whole truths and the abstract truths. Contemplating reality sure does make me hungry. 🆗
It would have been better to have done a video on Thomas Ligotti's The Conspiracy Against the Human Race, since Nick Pizzolatto shamelessly plagiarized it for the first season of True Detective. Pizzolatto also shamelessly plagiarized the final scene from Alan Moore.
I really dug S1, is it worth looking into? Just added it to my reading list.
@@zavierlee695 If you like Rust Cohle's views and the way he expresses them, they were lifted wholesale from Ligotti.
everyone's plagiarizing Shakespeare shut up
I don't think you know what "plagiarizing" means. Pizzolatto has names these sources and others as inspirations, which is in the end all they are. With your narrow interpretation of what would constitute plagiarism, we would all be constantly plagiarize other people in all our works and everyday behaviour.
@@Jonathanizerif you look at it side by side,it's a bit more than "inspired by" in my opinion. I get what you're saying and I'm not into calling people out over any and everything, but liggotti is hardly some multimillionaire household name who can just eat it when someone xeroxes his works. I love that first season,I've returned to it many times over the years,but I'd read conspiracy first and the similarity jumped right out at me when first I watched it.
i also recommend disco elysium's 8 minutes of voalition
disco elysium was one of the most important pieces of media ive ever consumed.
f*ck I thought i was the only one
what the fuck? i’m playing disco elysium right now get out of my brain
Disco Elysium and True Detective changed the way i see life
hm
There is no way... I just finished watching it for the second time. You making a video on true Detective is such a pleasant surprise. It's like Christmas all over again
“I'm a pessimist because of intelligence, but an optimist because of will.”
― Antonio Gramsci, Prison Letters
"Optimism and stupidity are nearly synonymous."
― Admiral H.G. Rickover
Holy Shit I am rewatching the first season for the 5th time so this is great timing
Not sure if it's 5th or 6th. But same. ❤️
The world may be doomed but yours doesn’t have to be.
I had a very doomerist outlook for years and then started looking inward and focusing on myself-not selfishly, I still cared for others and did things for those I care about or causes I felt strongly about-but I started focusing on anything I could control in my own life and solely focused on improving those things
The world is what I make it
My favorite show and my favorite philosophical TH-camr! ❤️
There’s a consistent undercurrent of identity to season one I didn’t pick up on until rewatching.
Marty’s flaw (according to his ex wife Maggie) was that he didn’t know who he really was or what he wanted. He later tells Rust “I used to play baseball and ride bulls….you end up becoming something you never intended.”
Rust on the other hand: “after all this time I know myself. And there’s a victory in that.”
crazy video to wake up to, just finished a re-watch last week. thank you
If not as a direct antidote, pondering and playing with philosophy is at least a good distraction (I'd call myself a doomer). It can serve as a mental workout that distracts and fiddles with interesting ideas while simultaneously acting as an on the fly spring cleaning of the mind. Taking time to really work an idea through can let you get it properly out the door and get to something better. Even writing that thought down in a document you'll never read can work wonders.
I guess that's a pretty direct antidote to doomerism...
I saw the thumbnail and my first thought was wow, Sisyphus55 doing a video on the Dreamcast?
Shemu forklift certified
People are so quick to blame the entire world when the cause of their suffering either comes from internal desires or just from a small subjection of the world. Your death-end job, your abusive parents or the political system are not „the world“.
In addition, peoples lives tend to become what they think it is. If they think it is only suffering then they will only focus on suffering which will multiply it’s impact on your psyche. It is somewhat of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
When it comes to philosophy, then in small Dosis it can help one to understand oneself better as it gives one the ability of self-reflection, but when it goes to the point of a obsession then it will be more harm then good, ultimately the pure skepticism and detachment of philosophy is dissatisfying and this will make your life experience worse in the process.
The anditode to doomerism is philosphy is ironic, because time is a flat circle
My real name is Saumya, friend calles me zoomer, then I became Zaumya and sometimes zoomya. Its a weird thing
Yeah well now you're the rizzler.
@@bhante1345 lightskin staring the police officer at the red light, and he is approaching me (I'm not wearing a helmet and also don't have my license on me)
"Nothing matters, including your life."
"Are you sure about that?"
🤔
welcome to the socratic rabbit hole, the ride never ends in our trip to neverland.
Were we are going, we don’t need savings accounts, and I mean that in the best way possible.
Here is my one, sure-fire source of optimism: 252 million years ago, 80% of marine species and 70% of terrestrial vertebrate species went extinct ("The Great Dying"). That was followed by the spectacularly wonderful Age of Dinosaurs!!! How cool is that?! Mother Nature CANNOT be defeated! (Puts a big grin on my face.)
“The antidote to Doomerism is Philosophy”
Great, so we ARE screwed 😅 and hooked to sisyphus55 ….oh i see what you did there!
This video truly is a gift. Thanks, Sisyphus 55!
You should experience Disco Elysium and then share your experience with us. Thank you.
schopenhauer...even camus. if philosophy means accepting our doom but remaining prescient enough to experience jouissance, well then theres still a remainder of regret. pessimism and optimism seems like a false dichotomy. tbh ive read more deleuze than anyone: any response from him about Opt v Pes is just that, not his primary concern, so i dont know if its fair to include him where he excluded himself
One of my favorite shows of all time being talked about by one of my favorite philosophy youtubers. Perfection...
harry du bois
having watched this video a few times, I gotta say I think changing the thumbnail and title was the right move. The first watch through I definitely was focused on the True Detective part of the video and less on the actual message you were trying to get across about doomerism. either way I think everything you make is great but I figured I'd throw it out there :P
I just watched true detective for the first time last week, this timing is crazy -- simulationcore
Basic probability.
no shit, whatta chad@@bhante1345
@@bhante1345yes
Interesting how many people latched on to Cohle as one of those stereotypical "literally me" protagonists, where so much of S1 seems to be picking apart his philosophy by showing the personal toll of his attempts to live within all its contradictions.
Kinda wished you made this video when I was a teen.
One of my favorite youtubers talking about one of my favorite shows? Lucky me ❤
Maybe the True Detectives are the True Detectives we made along the way
That's what I say to myself while smoking crack in the bathtub.
I mean, yeah, basically.
Marty became one over time.
Just started watching the deprogrammed podcast. Didn’t realize you were Canadian and such J Peterson fan(jk)
You should analyze the gladiator with this same style and compare and two main characters.
It's damaging to the reality of the situation to create this dumb non-existent category of doomer.
We are all just ordinary people who can see the writing on the wall.
Very bad practice to legitimize this term
We should all be as aware as those you label doomers
The word does nothing constructive for anyone at any time
What makes you think turning towards God is cowardly? Jesus is the only authentic answer to nihilism. Kierkegaard spoke about the heroism needed to live a life based on faith in "Fear and trembling". Living without God is pretty in-authentic.
Because we care about wether he actually exists or not
@@Mitchellpiano the author certainly didn't argue Creators existence in any way.
Yes yes yes yes yes yea😊
u making a video about true detective is like christmas and birthday on the same day
Fucken hell dud, the first 3 minutes made me binge the whole first season 😢😂❤
The world’s great. Things are getting better thanks to the hard work of a lot of people. It’s just not for me.
literally just watched this show. STOP READING MY MIND
Rust seeing the swirl and reacting the way you said by letting go of preconceived notions for love. I exerpeinced a similar thing when i took a lot of shrooms. I realized there is a lot about human experience that is still left and i atopped being so nihilistic and certain.
Wow, my previous upbeat comment about yeeted tik tokers out of the gene pool was deleted.
And then he gets his badass cia sniper friend to help him shoot people and then sees the galaxy and then win
Read The Conspiracy Against the Human Race by Thomas Ligotti, borderline plagiarised by the writers for S1 of True Detective (this is not a criticism)
Just commenting so I can remember to read it
The fact that this video has a sponsored segment is so fkn comical
Gotta make that bag
This makes more sense if you define philosophy as “love of wisdom,” rather than the “love of knowledge.”
I owe quite a lot to the things you've put up on your channel, keep it up man.
After this first season along with Breaking Bad there is nothing else.😪
The cruelty of the world is not rational, but neither is love.
you know things are about to get serious when he includes "Antidote" in the title
we're all like Marty but admire Rust because we know that he is right
Awesome essay,! Also, that was such a beautiful closing line
Cute Goth.
Solves everything.
Lauren Berlant is so good. Her book has really changed the way I view my own existence
True detective season 1 is hardcore therapy. Thank you for this great video🤝