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JT, I noticed Mark referred to you both as “brother.” Are you still a believer? Btw, Mark is woefully unprepared to discuss the many nuances of translation.
@Rwssel 2.0. Funny thing. My JW mom said their NWT and KIT were accurate because there were ethnic Greeks who were JWs. I knew that to be bogus reasoning because by the same reasoning, a modern English speaker then is automatically competent in medieval English or Anglo-Saxon! Plus, I've seen a Modern Greek Bible. The first chapter of John alone will show that the Modern Greek translation has different vocabulary and grammar than the 1st century text.
@@rwssel2.052 I agree with you, but what I'm saying is that JWs don't use logic normally over their level of brainwashing. In fact, the brainwashing seems to cancel out a lot of their logic. I'm thankful for those who haven't totally bowed the knee to the Watchtower, but my mon isn't one of them. I'm not Greek, but I took three semesters of Koine in seminary and I used to manage a Christian book store that carried the Bible and New Testaments in over 40 languages. It was there where I got to see a modern Greek Bible, because I was curious how different it would be than Koine.
It's very disheartening to find out all my life I've been purposely misguided and all I've been taught my whole life was just man's opinion and had nothing to do with God.
jbone2345 Very very sad, but be glad that at least now you’ve discovered the truth and that you won’t spend ALL your life being deceived and lied to. Welcome to your freedom.
Yooo I feel you, it's like the closer you examine from an outside perspective the more it starts to fall apart. Been woke for about 6 months now. It will get better over time, you just have to learn to except it for what it is and not the picture that was painted for you. I dont feel like it was all a waste, but on the flipside it has some damaging effects. I just hate the fact that I was misled.
You guys are wonderful. Even though I have been out for over 20+ years the evidence that your show brings out continues my resolve to never look back. I thank you again.
You guys are so informative and Humble. So much intelligence and a great representation of the true word of God. You guys are truly a representation of the "Light of Christ " Your compassion and care for all people really shows in your presentations. God Bless your Ministry for Christ, Emmanuel
As much as the NWT is twisted and distorted, God's Word is still powerful and effective. I know of JWs who left the organisation and came to a saving faith and a living relationship with Jesus Christ through reading the NWT. And what started it? "Jehovah IS the Spirit." 2 Corinthians 3:17. ("Active force"???? Where in the Bible do you find those words??)
@@damongreville2197 I still have a couple Bible's, but because the Watchtower has changed, and totally eliminated certain passages, I have decided to only use the Bibles I used before I was a JW. It's taken me 2 years, but I have finally trashed all the magazines I had from the tower. My mom and I both love Jesus and the father. Did you know that Jesus never used the name Jehovah? He always said father. Anyway, we are happy to have left the cult and have kept our love for God, Jesus and the scriptures.
JT, both you and Daniel are superb together in your conversations. A natural teamwork, so to speak. I would love to see more of your interviews together because of being very enlightening. Thanks JT and Lady Cee; Mark Martin and Daniel were superb!
I never knew that . i did study and go to kingdom hall. But i knew something was wrong . i can see how its the truth for some, sad part is they won't listen. I believe they are sincere as i was married to one . part that frightens me is ... Are they saved?
Wow thank you so very much for this information, I saw a red flag when this new bible was introduced but sadly did not make time to dig deeper, thanks you guys for doing this work and hopefully when I’m out of this cult I can help others too.
Yes I too wondered about the new bible. What was wrong with the other new world translation I thought to myself. It was easy to read, had Jehovahs name where it was supposed to be apparently. So they revised it and changed it in ways they shouldn't have.
The warning about adding to or taking away from the word of God can't just apply to the book of Revelation, because it also appears in Deuteronomy 4:2.
Its sad there's a book called examining the scriptures daily, but nobody in the organization actually examine the scriptures daily. Thanks for the video!
NowUCME NowUDNT you might be right, that's why I trust and pray to Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit to teach me. He doesn't flip flop teachings, changes doctrines, give false prophecies, shunns or lies. He teaches the truth and some more.
I just came across this today. It brings back memories of how we would use the Greek Interlinear "ho" theos to "disprove" the Trinity at John 1:1. So hard to comprehend my sincerity and indoctrination under a spirit of error.
The Bible is the spiritual light which leads all faithful believers in Christ Jesus to everlasting LIFE and what of if it is the Jehovah"s Witnesses bible which is leading all of them to everlasting DEATH? How So sad!! Thank you Critical Thinkers. Please keep going strong, may the Grace of the Lord be with you all!
I appreciate your channel for its exposing the cult that is the watchtower. I have been out of the cult since 1991, but I still find it fascinating that they are still an issue in this day and age. Critical thinking is so important for anyone wanting to know the real truth!
Great video!! A couple of other examples of material added to the 2013 New World Translation to support Watchtower teachings can be found in Appendix B, starting on page 1765. Under B1, "The Message of the Bible," Watchtower teachings are added and illustrated regarding "1914" and the "Future." Also, under B8, "Temple Built by Solomon," and B9, "World Powers Foretold by Daniel," in a timeline at the top left, it states, "Temple destroyed 607 B.C.E." and "Babylon destroys Jerusalem 607 B.C.E." It's apparent Watchtower uses may subtle ways to insert their beliefs into the scriptures!!
When it becomes apparent that these time lines and 1914 are old light, the Society will need to discard this version of the bible, and have a newer revised version ready on the take.
Unfortunately, some JWs are so blinded by what they are being taught, that they can't see the truth, even when its right in front of them. I am an ex JW, I was not born in. I was only in and baptised for 5 years. It was easier for me because even though it seemed like the truth, I remained open minded and was able to see and catch inaccuracies, and things that just plain didn't make sense! My mother on the other hand is completely closed minded when it comes to anything outside the org. I could show her these videos but all she will see is apostates telling lies. She reacted the same way when I showed her proof that the org was being investigated worldwide for 1000s of abuse cases! I wish I could make her see!
Wow this was amazing to my ears , God bless the people that are been lite to does that are sincerely seeking the Lord in the Wt and help them to come out to the Lord Jesús our savior the mediator between Man and the Father.
Is there somewhere that lists more of these specifics on translation problems? I need concrete visuals for someone I’m talking to who won’t accept generalities, as well they shouldn’t.
Jean Wakefield The NWT is translated from Koine Greek and Hebrew (a small portion of Aramaic). It was first translated into English. All other language versions are rendered from the English version and are supplemented from the Hebrew and Greek texts. There is probably no other religious group more capable than the JWs in doing this as they already publish their literature in 190 different languages.
I am a little confused with the scripture in Colossians 1:15 where it says "He is in the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation." Can anyone shed some light on that verse for me as it implies that Jesus was created so he had a beginning?
@@Samizon5 thankyou so much for your explanation. So to be born again, is all we need to do is accept Jesus as our saviour recognizing he died for my sins? I believe he did this for sure, so am I born again?
@@Samizon5 thankyou so much for that beautiful prayer you shared with me. I read it, and prayed to Jesus giving my life to him, thanking him for dying for me and forgiving me of all my sins. I feel I am saved in my heart, and tears were streaming down my face as I gave my life to Jesus. I want to understand more, but am unsure where to turn or if I should belong to any church in particular. I was once a Jehovah Witness, and finding my way now after I've left is daunting. Where do I go? Do I even need to attend a church? Thankyou again for helping me see clearer.
Thankyou Samizon for your clear explanation. Yes I am receiving your posts, and I truly appreciate them. I have a question. I get mixed up with to whom I should direct my prayers. Should I pray to Jehovah, or to Jesus? It seems I am told, that Jesus is Jehovah. Jesus is Jehovah in the old testament, and considering Jehovah's name was never mentioned in the new testament, Jesus is God in the new testament also. I find this very confusing. I love both Jesus and Jehovah, but is there one who's greater than the other? Also I find the King James version a little hard to grasp with the older style of language. Can you recommend an other version that has more modern language, easy to understand and is as accurately translated to the original manuscripts as possible? You are correct in saying what the Jehovah Witnesses believe. They say only the 144,000 are permitted to go to heaven and that they serve as the JW's mediator to Jehovah God and not Jesus. But when I ask JW's if they are aware that the 144,000 act as their mediator, they all seem shocked at such a suggestion. I think they genuinely believe Jesus is their mediator, but theres some confusion as to what they think they believe to what the GB wants them to believe. Because they end their prayers in Jesus's name, they believe their prayers have been delivered to Jehovah. Is this correct? Come the memorial of Jesus's death, I plan on partaking for the first time the emblems that represent his flesh and that of his blood. As JW's with the earthly hope, we have always been denied this privilege, but I now see it's a direct requirement from Jesus that we all partake as it's an appropriate way we can all show our appreciation for the sacrificial death of our sins Jesus had paid for us when he died on a stake/cross. He took our sins upon himself, so that we might gain everlasting life through his own sinless body. The JW's call it a ransom sacrifice paying back what Adam had lost for all mankind. I will do this at home with whoever wants to join me I think. Please tell me what you think of this idea.
The one scripture that really angers me is- 2 Corinthians 5:20 "We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God." Watchtower adds the words [substitute] for Christ twice. I guess they are replacing Jesus while he is away? :/ There is a difference between substitute and Ambassador.
Thank you very much for your videos on the JW bible. My husband refers to it as an abomination. That’s very fitting. In all my years as a witness, I never recall them talking much about the scripture in Revelation about the taking away and adding to the sacred scrolls and the judgement of doing so. I understand why. It’s about them!
For me it was Colossians 3:13 changing Christ for Jehovah. And Psalms 45:6 changing Gods throne to God being a throne. JT I woke up 2 years ago and I’m trying to convince my wife that since the NWT has changed things then everything else taught is a lie. So far I’ve convinced her that the governing body are the sheep in wolves clothing but she remains going to the meetings thinking that Jehovah wants her to still learn from him. And she also wants to preach as a JW. She says that she won’t talk about teachings cuz they are obviously lies, so she says she will preach about God and Jesus. But I tell her ultimately they are gonna ask what your religion is and that will ultimately get them involved and then that’s a whole life in your hands… She is still convinced she has to preach and continue going to the meeting just to remain neutral because of the scripture found in Hebrews to continue congregating. Are there any videos you’ve done that could help her officially leave the organization? And is there a video of yours that talks about YOUR beliefs on God and Jesus? That would help greatly. Thank you!
It's so mind-blowing that the GB of JW to condemn anything or claim anything while they are doing exactly what they condemned and doing the exactly opposite of what they claim to be.
TheLittleRadicalThinker I have not read anywhere that they "condemn" another Bible version, although they could easily do so with the way some translations render certain passages.
@@TheCaledonianBoy I didn’t say it’s about the Bible. It’s about what WT did, their actions. They said Jehovah protects children, but they took absolutely no actions to protect the children from child sex abusers. They said their Bible is the most accurate translation, but they added words to the Bible, effectively altered the original texts. They claimed to be the speaker of God, one and only channel, but they tried so hard to fulfill the false prophet prophecy in the Bible. Like so many things they said this but what they did is the exact opposite. It’s just so mind blowing.
@@LittleRadicalThinker All Bible versions add words, they must in order to make sense in the target language. The most controversial passage for the NWT is at Col 1: 15-20 where the word "other" is added 5 times. The only justification for this would be if it was implied in the text. After careful study I found that it is and would challenge anyone on this passage. In other versions that I compared to the NWT at Col 1 I found a remarkable amount of added words that not implied in the text but get a pass because they support a specific ideology. I have not read anywhere in WT literature where they claim that the NWT is "the most accurate translation" although others have done so. However, they do call it an accurate Bible version which I believe it to be. Professor Jason BeDuhn after being bombarded by his students about certain passages in the NWT that they believed was biased. After a while he decided to take a closer look. He compared 9 of the most popular Bible versions and this was his conclusion “Most of the differences are due to the greater accuracy of the NW as a literal, conservative translation.” While BeDuhn disagrees with certain renderings of the New World Translation, he says that this version “emerges as the most accurate of the translations compared.” He calls it a “remarkably good” translation. They at no time made a claim to be inspired prophets.
@@TheCaledonianBoy The parenthesis there is to show the added words. This is critical. The removal literally means added words to the sacred texts. Of course they can’t do anything to the original copy in original language. I don’t read Greek or Hebrew, I don’t care how they interpret, but need to inform the readers what added for references. I know I’m not going to check the Hebrew texts.
@@LittleRadicalThinker You said "The removal literally means added words to the sacred texts. Of course they can’t do anything to the original copy in original language." All Bible versions add words to the text, they must, even the word "other" in various places, this is a service to the reader. If the added words make explicit in English what is implied in the Greek then there cannot be an issue. What Bible version do you use most and feel is the most accurate?
Really interesting and Thanks. The most corrupted I believe is that we have a spirit, a personal part of God’s spirit. 1 Chor 2:11 “For who of men knows the things personal to a man except the man’s spirit which is in him? in the same way nobody knows the things personal to God except God’s Spirit. “ Act 17:16; 19:21; Romans 1:9; 8:16 and many places. Think about how important it is to understand that the fruits of the spirit is from you and not something pushed upon you by God. Or that the hole meaning of 1 Corinthians is that we can understand the depths of God. The chapter also tells us what it is to be spiritual. Look it up in the linear Bible for v. 13. It is our spirit judging Gods spirit. Amazing.
i agree with 85% of this (still thinking on the other 15%). Jesus even said he’s HEAD of the congregation. no governing body is NEVER mentioned in any older translations
I agree that jw-org has made many changes to the bible to fit their beliefs. I have a long list of scriptures to prove it. Woe to them. But Revelation 22 uses the term "in this scroll". Now, I know that changing ANY scripture is wrong, but does Rev. 22 mean - "this scroll" Revelation?, Or "this scroll" the Bible canon?
This is not an endorsement for WT, this is just my opinion....The problem with Col 1:16 is that the opposite is true that people take an overly literal approach and conclude that Jesus wasn't created, by assuming that Jesus is excluded from this statement that "all things were created by him". But one has too keep in mind that Jesus is called the "Image" of the invisible God. A reference to man being made in the "image" of the God. If Jesus is not excluded "from the all things", then you have to then deal with the verse when it says "For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible". Well that begs the question then, did Jesus create the "Invisible" God? Since it says he created all things, including things that are invisible? No one would conclude this, so there a massive assumption to say this must mean Jesus is not created. Paul uses similar reasoning in 1 Corin 15:27-28, but over clarifies to his audience so that they don't take an overly literal understanding, like you might in Colossians: "For he "has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all."
CanadianLoveKnot to Know God aka Yahweh you would have to know Jesus the Son. In reference to Colossians you would need to look at the definitions of the words in scripture. Also knowing that the Greek and Hebrew words once translated to English can have better words to give a better understanding. For example Firstborn in Colossians 1:15 denotes rank. It’s very important when studying the Bible that we ask God to reveal. The Bible is written by men inspired by the Holy SPIRIT. We need the Holy Spirit to understand and reveal. We also need to understand that in translation things / context can get lost. I study other languages and when you sometimes try to translate a language to English some words don’t even translate.
Thanks guys another fine eye opening video about that lying bunch at the Watchtower Headquarters... please keep up your great work of keeping us up to date ....it’s very much appreciated
Exjw critical thinker, very informative very well Put together.. I feel, and these are not to be taken as criticisms but I find your video too short. You left me hungry for more information.. It should be a at least an hour.
Greekorthodox church (the church responsible canonized the 76 books of Bible in the synods of 4th to 7th cent A.D), should have chased the wt organization in court for this Bible violating .. Very very sad..
I really don't like how they charge fornication to sexual immorality. Not only that, but Exodus 3:14 I shall prove to be what I shall Prove to be. As far as I know, God the almighty, don't have to prove nothing to nobody. I love the king james bible, I am that I am. The old way, is always the best way.....
@@ExJWCriticalThinker I will never go against God and write my own bible, are you crazy. God is the author of the bible, and I for one, will never fall into that sort of judgment. Deuteronomy 12: 32 Every word that I am commanding you is what you should be careful to do. You must not add to it nor take away from it.
Back in the early '60s, the witnesses were encouraged to use other versions and translations. Things change. The old KJV has its problems, all translations show the values, prejudices, ignorance, and agendas. Thus, variety in the library is a good thing.
paynlaur7523 we believe the Watchtower got this one RIGHT. " Religion is a Snare and a Racket" You have to decide do you want to become involved with a " high control or low control " religious group or something in between But at the end of the day --- you will be controlled it's just a matter of how much and how comfortable you are with that group's level of control of your life. After 30 years of arguing with folks as to whether Jesus died on a. " LIGHTPOLE or TELEPHONE POLE " we have very little interest in going back into another religious BELIEF SYSTEM just our 2 cent JT
@@ExJWCriticalThinker I agree with you I feel like it's my duty to study the Bible deeply and try to figure out to the best that we can what God is telling us and then teach our children in our home and spread good news to those who are depressed around us and help the poor and take care of those in need and imitate Jesus in that way and do our Bible study in house because I don't know if any of religion has this right to be honest
According to the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures Revelation 5:10 reads: "and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule over[Gk 'epi']the Earth." Surprisingly, i have come across sites like yours that calls the New World Translation's rendering of the Greek word 'epi' by "over" as a "mistranslation", even calling upon their readers to check that this is so with regard to other translations and Greek Lexicons, though none are cited to justify this criticism! Following is an e-mail sent in this matter to the owner of one such website: "Dear Sir, We were interested to see that you call the New World Translation's rendering of 'epi' as "over" at Revelation 5:10 as a "mistranslation". Our question is why? The following translations also translate "epi" here as over: • The New Testament in the Language of the People--C.B.Williams • The New Testament in Modern Speech--Weymouth • The Holy Scriptures, A New Translation from the Original Languages--Darby • The Complete Bible in Modern English--Fenton • The Holy Bible,A Translation From the Latin Vulgate in the Light of the Hebrew and Greek Originals--Knox • The Modern Language Bible-New Berkeley Version • The Bible, An American Translation--Goodspeed. • The Amplified Bible • The Unvarnished New Testament--Gaus. • Holy Bible, An American Translation-- W.F.Beck. • Compare also Marshall's Interlinear which says under the word 'epi' at Rev.5:10 - "on(?over)" See also these well known Greek-English Lexicons: • A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature by Arndt and Gingrich(p.286)-- b.fig.-a.over of power,authority,control of or over someone or someth.......Rv 5:10. and • The New Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament(p.231)--A.with the GENITIVE.... \d.fig.used of things,affairs persons,which one is set over,over which he exercises power.....Rev.[5].10 . Can you still call the New World Translation's rendering here, in all fairness, a "mistranslation"? Are you not being guilty of misleading some of your viewers who will not bother to check up your statements for themselves and just accept what you have alleged? Are we to expect that this 'example' of a "mistranslation" by the New World Translation will now be removed from your video? When "epi" is used with a verb denoting authority/rulership then "epi" indicates the compass of that authority/rulership. If a search is made of the Greek N.T. where "basileuw[to reign as a king]epi" occurs(as it does in Revelation 5:10)you will be able to see that in every case "epi" means "over", eg., Luke 1:33; Acts7:18. Interestingly, Micah 4:7LXX contains the same verb "to reign as a king" with the prepositions "epi" and "en" and is translated by Brenton as "and the Lord shall reign over[basileuw epi] them in[en] mount Zion." Two commentaries that support the rendering of EPI as "over." 1) Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible of Jamieson, Fausset and Brown: "...KELLY translates, "reign over the earth" (Greek, "epi tees gees"), which is justified by the Greek (Septuagint, Judges 9:8, Matthew 2:22). The elders, though ruling over the earth, shall not necessarily (according to this passage) remain on the earth...." Note here that translating EPI at Revelation 5:10 as "over" is "justified by the Greek." 2) John Wesley's Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible comments on Revelation 5:10. "And hast made them - The redeemed. So they speak of themselves also in the third person, out of deep self - abasement. They shall reign over the earth - The new earth: herewith agree the golden crowns of the elders. The reign of the saints in general follows, under the trumpet of the seventh angel; particularly after the first resurrection, as also in eternity, Revelation 1:18; 15:7; 20:4; 22:5; Dan 7:27; Psa 49:14." Notice "They shall reign over the earth"? Two recent Bible translations also have "over" for "epi" here at Revelation 5:10.They being the Complete Jewish Bible by David H. Stern(1998) and The Message, The Bible in Contemporary Language (2002)by Eugene H. Peterson. Also, we note that The New Testament, Recovery Version(Revised edition, 1991, Living Stream Ministry)though it has "on the earth" has a footnote that says "Or, over." One might point to Rev.5:3 and 5.13 where the same Greek words, namely, EPI THS GHS, literally, "on the earth," occur and so this points to the same meaning for EPI in 5.10. However in both these scriptures BASILENW, "to reign," is absent and also in both there are clear expressions that indicate that location is here meant for in both v.3 and v.13there is "But neither(v.3)/And every creature(v.13) in heaven ....nor underneath the earth..." which expressions are absent from v.10 where EPI THS GHS occur. It would be poor exegesis then to simply point out that in verses 3 and 13 of the same chapter that EPI THS GHS occurs and yet place this truth over the more applicable truths as given above. Also, just because GHS, "earth" can refer to a place as well as a group of people(here in Revelation 5.10 to the 'earthly society of humans' whom these kings and priests will rule "over)does not mean that the meaning of "earth" here is ambiguous. The point of vv.9, 10 is not where these "kings" will rule but whom over they will for these "kings" are those who have been "bought...for God" and from "every tribe and tongue and people and nation" and these kings will rule "over" these or the remnants of these. The same thought is given in Revelation 2.26 where we can read "To everyone[Gk; AUTW lit. "him")that conquers and continues to do my work to the end, I will give authority over[Gk; EPI] the nations."-New Revised Standard Version. Clearly then, those translations that translate EPI as "over" at Revelation 5.10 are the more accurate in conveying the meaning of the original. But I doubt you care
Interesting you have a point it could over or upon either way the Jws Bible NWT is biased of course that claim could be done for many others to this day a i gone through most the new testament of the jws Bible and compared with there own Greek text or the one they use for the Greek scriptures and to this day nobody or any jw can answer how horribly they translate Ephesians 5:19 I mean that verse includes of course they input Jehovah and they have the nerve for adding God to the text and I have seen and own so many Bibles and to this day they ruin and tarnish that verse well I guess Jehovah provided this nonsense.😀
Samzion Sorry not following perhaps. What i mean is give an example in the NWT that breaks the rules of not following" the rules" and whose rules? Just one at a time wold be good. Thanks
Samizon I don't believe it does change the text because a first century christian would know Jesus is the beginning of God's creation and the firstborn OF creation. Therefore the word other in no way changes the meaning. Unless you want to change how the Apostle John used the word Arche in all his writing and the word Firstborn in the entire biblical database. A trinitarian of course will object to the use of other because it implies Jesus is a created son of God as many scripture support. Including his being a master worker and the one through whom creation came. So while I think perhaps it may have been advantages to still have the brackets, it is not altogether necessary. Another scripture please? yes i did watch it. I gave an answer to a wrong conclusion below to a part
CANT FIND THE GOVERNING BODY REFERENCE IN THE NWT??? INSTRUCTIONS: JW Library App: Windowns Desktop 1) Click on the bible (study edition) 2) Click Introduction (at top) 3) Click on title "New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (Study Edition) *At this point, you should see an image of the cover of the Silver Sword. 4) Click the right arrow (or scroll a page to the right) *Now you should see a list of the books, and under each one see the title "Outline:" 5) Scroll down to ACTS, and click on the Outline 6) just scroll down to 15, and there it is.
Don't worry there is a paradigm shift in the way we think and understand things and how we get information ~~ We are getting closer and closer to the truth about all things including Religions in like no other way thought of ~~The shift will take place there is no way of stopping it ~~mankind tends towards needing answers and reasons for things and what we understand to be truth ~~~and we are getting there ~#
do you have the JW library app? (i assume youre not suppose to be here like me....) 1) Click on the bible (study edition) 2) Click Introduction (at top) 3) Click on title "New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (Study Edition) *At this point, you should see an image of the cover of the Silver Sword. 4) Click the right arrow (or scroll a page to the right) *Now you should see a list of the books, and under each one see the title "Outline:" 5) Scroll down to ACTS, and click on the Outline 6) just scroll down to 15, and there it is. (I did this on the windows desktop app - so if there is a difference with mobile, i am sorry).
While I would gladly throw WT at the G8 under the bus, and agree with not adding or taking away from scripture, but the reality is that all bibles are of guilty of the same tricks. The key is to know where the problems are. Just comparing the NWT to other bibles is really a waste of time. You have to look at the Hebrew or Greek, and drill down from there. Heb 1:6 the greek word there is proskynéō. The definition says: 4352 proskynéō (from 4314 /prós, "towards" and kyneo, "to kiss") - properly, to kiss the ground when prostrating before a superior; to worship, ready "to fall down/prostrate oneself to adore on one's knees" (DNTT); to "do obeisance" So WT actually has this one right, and makes sense with scripture, such as Psalms 2:12, which says to "Kiss the son..."
I think the point on this one was to show the amount of change within their own translations. within 3 bibles, from the JW's there was substantial changes from what was at least a commonly known translation, to more of a bible laced with doctrine interpretation.
@@bronothere176 While I agree with your point, the commonly known translations have also proven to have systemic errors, which exist because of biased interpretation. It would have made more sense to drill down into the greek or hebrew.
my cousin was going to gatherings of JV. his story went into television and newspapers. at the beggining of his interactions with this religious group he was fine, but in the end, unfortunately, he had no place to live no money no jewelry. BEAWARE people. those religious groups may prey on emotional needs of the people and they lure you in and not everyone is happpier at the end.
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I love you Super Friends, you are to All people, JW just happen to be like Jim Jones, with everybody drinking the kool aid!
JT, I noticed Mark referred to you both as “brother.” Are you still a believer?
Btw, Mark is woefully unprepared to discuss the many nuances of translation.
I am Greek. Left when reading the kingdom Interlinear compared with Greek real text and found all these "adjustments". Nice research and video.
Hi do you have KIT bible? I need for research purposes
@@towertruth8958 that was some 20+ years ago. I don't have any WT literature in print...
@Rwssel 2.0. Funny thing. My JW mom said their NWT and KIT were accurate because there were ethnic Greeks who were JWs. I knew that to be bogus reasoning because by the same reasoning, a modern English speaker then is automatically competent in medieval English or Anglo-Saxon! Plus, I've seen a Modern Greek Bible. The first chapter of John alone will show that the Modern Greek translation has different vocabulary and grammar than the 1st century text.
@@mitchmiller2382 not exactly, if you are educated enough you can see the errors. You don't have to be an academic. So you are Greek?
@@rwssel2.052 I agree with you, but what I'm saying is that JWs don't use logic normally over their level of brainwashing. In fact, the brainwashing seems to cancel out a lot of their logic. I'm thankful for those who haven't totally bowed the knee to the Watchtower, but my mon isn't one of them. I'm not Greek, but I took three semesters of Koine in seminary and I used to manage a Christian book store that carried the Bible and New Testaments in over 40 languages. It was there where I got to see a modern Greek Bible, because I was curious how different it would be than Koine.
My eyes are open thanks
The WT Bible is tailored to suit their own teaching. Thank you for this video.
Whatever gave u dat idea 💡
Many shall try to enter the heavenly kingdom but few will really enter.
The New world Translation is suited for multiple languages. Have you read it and actually compared against other bible versions?
It's very disheartening to find out all my life I've been purposely misguided and all I've been taught my whole life was just man's opinion and had nothing to do with God.
jbone2345 Very very sad, but be glad that at least now you’ve discovered the truth and that you won’t spend ALL your life being deceived and lied to. Welcome to your freedom.
Yooo I feel you, it's like the closer you examine from an outside perspective the more it starts to fall apart. Been woke for about 6 months now. It will get better over time, you just have to learn to except it for what it is and not the picture that was painted for you. I dont feel like it was all a waste, but on the flipside it has some damaging effects. I just hate the fact that I was misled.
It still hurts till this day, but the truth shall set you free.
Shabbat Shalom 🤗
But you can pray to god for guidance, he might bring you into an org.
WOW, once you start to cut corners you'll end up going around in circles.
This is wake up material thanks guys.
I was always meant to believe that the J-Dub's Bible Translation was nothing but simpler to read Bible Translation. Wow! This video was eye-opening.
Besides the overlapping generation the distorted NWT was the main reason I left the organization.
Such an excellent video! You guys are my new favorite youtubers
Watchtower have grown beyond the bible.
Their bible has gone from being a guideline to a revised supplement.
You guys are wonderful. Even though I have been out for over 20+ years the evidence that your show brings out continues my resolve to never look back. I thank you again.
I love Mark Martins preaching.
You guys are one of my favorite channels. I so appreciate the hard work all of you do. ❤
You guys are so informative and Humble. So much intelligence and a great representation of the true word of God. You guys are truly a representation of the "Light of Christ " Your compassion and care for all people really shows in your presentations. God Bless your Ministry for Christ, Emmanuel
Trying to keep it real
Faded about two years ago. I have been using the pages of my large print jw Bible as lining for the bottom of my birdcage.
I wouldn't think it would be very absorbent.....hehe
But save the page with proverb 15;15 and have a feast
As much as the NWT is twisted and distorted, God's Word is still powerful and effective. I know of JWs who left the organisation and came to a saving faith and a living relationship with Jesus Christ through reading the NWT. And what started it? "Jehovah IS the Spirit." 2 Corinthians 3:17. ("Active force"???? Where in the Bible do you find those words??)
@@damongreville2197 I still have a couple Bible's, but because the Watchtower has changed, and totally eliminated certain passages, I have decided to only use the Bibles I used before I was a JW. It's taken me 2 years, but I have finally trashed all the magazines I had from the tower. My mom and I both love Jesus and the father. Did you know that Jesus never used the name Jehovah? He always said father. Anyway, we are happy to have left the cult and have kept our love for God, Jesus and the scriptures.
@@bernardsebranek1963 wonderful testimony brother. Stay strong in the faith!
Thank the Lord Jesus for you all bringing the real truth to light!!! May he continue to bless your lives.
JT, both you and Daniel are superb together in your conversations. A natural teamwork, so to speak. I would love to see more of your interviews together because of being very enlightening. Thanks JT and Lady Cee; Mark Martin and Daniel were superb!
I never knew that . i did study and go to kingdom hall. But i knew something was wrong . i can see how its the truth for some, sad part is they won't listen. I believe they are sincere as i was married to one . part that frightens me is ... Are they saved?
I’m so glad to see this!!!!
Wow thank you so very much for this information, I saw a red flag when this new bible was introduced but sadly did not make time to dig deeper, thanks you guys for doing this work and hopefully when I’m out of this cult I can help others too.
Yes I too wondered about the new bible. What was wrong with the other new world translation I thought to myself. It was easy to read, had Jehovahs name where it was supposed to be apparently. So they revised it and changed it in ways they shouldn't have.
The biggest thing I learned about JW'S.............IS RUN THE OTHER WAY!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow!! Thanks for bringing their errors out! Good to know.
ERRORS?
The warning about adding to or taking away from the word of God can't just apply to the book of Revelation, because it also appears in Deuteronomy 4:2.
I'm saving this in my library
Good morning my brother, you are correct. The JW writers used the word “ stay alive until 1925” same words they used in 1975 , 50 years later.
Its sad there's a book called examining the scriptures daily, but nobody in the organization actually examine the scriptures daily. Thanks for the video!
When JT and Bro Daniel meet, know that they are about to drop atomic bomb on the Watchtower doctrines. Good presentation 👍🏻
Amen!
All I can say at this point is my mind has now been sufficiently blown...
Hi guys! Another great awesome excellent video!!! don't mess around with God's Word!!! RESPECT!
NowUCME NowUDNT you might be right, that's why I trust and pray to Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit to teach me. He doesn't flip flop teachings, changes doctrines, give false prophecies, shunns or lies. He teaches the truth and some more.
Thank you for this video! I am awake!!!
It's the "New World Paraphrase" not "Translation"....
cpom11 Yes I agree friend, a paraphrase would be more accurate.
An anti JW talk with a kingdom hall backdrop. Well done
Lol, I picked up on that too 😄
This man thinks he's at a Kingdom Hall.
I just came across this today. It brings back memories of how we would use the Greek Interlinear "ho" theos to "disprove" the Trinity at John 1:1. So hard to comprehend my sincerity and indoctrination under a spirit of error.
Love the content and new format!
The Bible is the spiritual light which leads all faithful believers in Christ Jesus to everlasting LIFE and what of if it is the Jehovah"s Witnesses bible which is leading all of them to everlasting DEATH? How So sad!! Thank you Critical Thinkers. Please keep going strong, may the Grace of the Lord be with you all!
I appreciate your channel for its exposing the cult that is the watchtower. I have been out of the cult since 1991, but I still find it fascinating that they are still an issue in this day and age. Critical thinking is so important for anyone wanting to know the real truth!
Great video!! A couple of other examples of material added to the 2013 New World Translation to support Watchtower teachings can be found in Appendix B, starting on page 1765. Under B1, "The Message of the Bible," Watchtower teachings are added and illustrated regarding "1914" and the "Future." Also, under B8, "Temple Built by Solomon," and B9, "World Powers Foretold by Daniel," in a timeline at the top left, it states, "Temple destroyed 607 B.C.E." and "Babylon destroys Jerusalem 607 B.C.E." It's apparent Watchtower uses may subtle ways to insert their beliefs into the scriptures!!
When it becomes apparent that these time lines and 1914 are old light, the Society will need to discard this version of the bible, and have a newer revised version ready on the take.
Unfortunately, some JWs are so blinded by what they are being taught, that they can't see the truth, even when its right in front of them. I am an ex JW, I was not born in. I was only in and baptised for 5 years. It was easier for me because even though it seemed like the truth, I remained open minded and was able to see and catch inaccuracies, and things that just plain didn't make sense! My mother on the other hand is completely closed minded when it comes to anything outside the org. I could show her these videos but all she will see is apostates telling lies. She reacted the same way when I showed her proof that the org was being investigated worldwide for 1000s of abuse cases! I wish I could make her see!
The mark ending is acknowledged by most scholars as spurious, not merely from lack of being in the oldest manuscripts but also pther reasons.
Wow this was amazing to my ears , God bless the people that are been lite to does that are sincerely seeking the Lord in the Wt and help them to come out to the Lord Jesús our savior the mediator between Man and the Father.
Great explanatory video. Thank you. It was very informative to share with my Jehova's Witness fellows in my area.
"Change a life, save a life" Good motto.
Is there somewhere that lists more of these specifics on translation problems? I need concrete visuals for someone I’m talking to who won’t accept generalities, as well they shouldn’t.
Are foreign language translations of the NWT done from the ancient texts or are they translated from the English NWT into other languages?
Jean Wakefield The NWT is translated from Koine Greek and Hebrew (a small portion of Aramaic).
It was first translated into English. All other language versions are rendered from the English version and are supplemented from the Hebrew and Greek texts.
There is probably no other religious group more capable than the JWs in doing this as they already publish their literature in 190 different languages.
They also took out acts 8:37 & Mathew 18:11
Yeah there's a explanation to that, maybe u need to research why it's missing.
@@outkastrebel9637 i have researched it, they take it out to deceive people into their satanic doctrine
@@reginaldofyisrael3270 interesting u say that, it's the opposite of what I read and there's an explanation.
@@outkastrebel9637if you wanna go be a JW just go be that
I am a little confused with the scripture in Colossians 1:15 where it says "He is in the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation." Can anyone shed some light on that verse for me as it implies that Jesus was created so he had a beginning?
@@Samizon5 thankyou so much for your explanation. So to be born again, is all we need to do is accept Jesus as our saviour recognizing he died for my sins? I believe he did this for sure, so am I born again?
@@Samizon5 thankyou so much for that beautiful prayer you shared with me. I read it, and prayed to Jesus giving my life to him, thanking him for dying for me and forgiving me of all my sins. I feel I am saved in my heart, and tears were streaming down my face as I gave my life to Jesus.
I want to understand more, but am unsure where to turn or if I should belong to any church in particular. I was once a Jehovah Witness, and finding my way now after I've left is daunting. Where do I go? Do I even need to attend a church? Thankyou again for helping me see clearer.
Thankyou Samizon for your clear explanation. Yes I am receiving your posts, and I truly appreciate them. I have a question. I get mixed up with to whom I should direct my prayers. Should I pray to Jehovah, or to Jesus? It seems I am told, that Jesus is Jehovah. Jesus is Jehovah in the old testament, and considering Jehovah's name was never mentioned in the new testament, Jesus is God in the new testament also. I find this very confusing. I love both Jesus and Jehovah, but is there one who's greater than the other?
Also I find the King James version a little hard to grasp with the older style of language. Can you recommend an other version that has more modern language, easy to understand and is as accurately translated to the original manuscripts as possible?
You are correct in saying what the Jehovah Witnesses believe. They say only the 144,000 are permitted to go to heaven and that they serve as the JW's mediator to Jehovah God and not Jesus. But when I ask JW's if they are aware that the 144,000 act as their mediator, they all seem shocked at such a suggestion. I think they genuinely believe Jesus is their mediator, but theres some confusion as to what they think they believe to what the GB wants them to believe. Because they end their prayers in Jesus's name, they believe their prayers have been delivered to Jehovah. Is this correct?
Come the memorial of Jesus's death, I plan on partaking for the first time the emblems that represent his flesh and that of his blood. As JW's with the earthly hope, we have always been denied this privilege, but I now see it's a direct requirement from Jesus that we all partake as it's an appropriate way we can all show our appreciation for the sacrificial death of our sins Jesus had paid for us when he died on a stake/cross. He took our sins upon himself, so that we might gain everlasting life through his own sinless body. The JW's call it a ransom sacrifice paying back what Adam had lost for all mankind. I will do this at home with whoever wants to join me I think.
Please tell me what you think of this idea.
The one scripture that really angers me is-
2 Corinthians 5:20 "We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God."
Watchtower adds the words [substitute] for Christ twice. I guess they are replacing Jesus while he is away? :/
There is a difference between substitute and Ambassador.
50 years later I discover the great betrayal thanks to all ex jw's for your help
Thank you very much for your videos on the JW bible. My husband refers to it as an abomination. That’s very fitting. In all my years as a witness, I never recall them talking much about the scripture in Revelation about the taking away and adding to the sacred scrolls and the judgement of doing so. I understand why. It’s about them!
They've taken away the first 11 verses of John chapter 8.
This is fantastic thank you all so much for this !
Something I never knew, thanks for this!
For me it was Colossians 3:13 changing Christ for Jehovah. And Psalms 45:6 changing Gods throne to God being a throne.
JT I woke up 2 years ago and I’m trying to convince my wife that since the NWT has changed things then everything else taught is a lie. So far I’ve convinced her that the governing body are the sheep in wolves clothing but she remains going to the meetings thinking that Jehovah wants her to still learn from him. And she also wants to preach as a JW. She says that she won’t talk about teachings cuz they are obviously lies, so she says she will preach about God and Jesus. But I tell her ultimately they are gonna ask what your religion is and that will ultimately get them involved and then that’s a whole life in your hands… She is still convinced she has to preach and continue going to the meeting just to remain neutral because of the scripture found in Hebrews to continue congregating. Are there any videos you’ve done that could help her officially leave the organization? And is there a video of yours that talks about YOUR beliefs on God and Jesus? That would help greatly. Thank you!
It's so mind-blowing that the GB of JW to condemn anything or claim anything while they are doing exactly what they condemned and doing the exactly opposite of what they claim to be.
TheLittleRadicalThinker I have not read anywhere that they "condemn" another Bible version, although they could easily do so with the way some translations render certain passages.
@@TheCaledonianBoy I didn’t say it’s about the Bible. It’s about what WT did, their actions. They said Jehovah protects children, but they took absolutely no actions to protect the children from child sex abusers. They said their Bible is the most accurate translation, but they added words to the Bible, effectively altered the original texts. They claimed to be the speaker of God, one and only channel, but they tried so hard to fulfill the false prophet prophecy in the Bible. Like so many things they said this but what they did is the exact opposite. It’s just so mind blowing.
@@LittleRadicalThinker All Bible versions add words, they must in order to make sense in the target language.
The most controversial passage for the NWT is at Col 1: 15-20 where the word "other" is added 5 times.
The only justification for this would be if it was implied in the text. After careful study I found that it is and would challenge anyone on this passage.
In other versions that I compared to the NWT at Col 1 I found a remarkable amount of added words that not implied in the text but get a pass because they support a specific ideology.
I have not read anywhere in WT literature where they claim that the NWT is "the most accurate translation" although others have done so.
However, they do call it an accurate Bible version which I believe it to be.
Professor Jason BeDuhn after being bombarded by his students about certain passages in the NWT that they believed was biased. After a while he decided to take a closer look. He compared 9 of the most popular Bible versions and this was his conclusion
“Most of the differences are due to the greater accuracy of the NW as a literal, conservative translation.” While BeDuhn disagrees with certain renderings of the New World Translation, he says that this version “emerges as the most accurate of the translations compared.” He calls it a “remarkably good” translation.
They at no time made a claim to be inspired prophets.
@@TheCaledonianBoy The parenthesis there is to show the added words. This is critical. The removal literally means added words to the sacred texts. Of course they can’t do anything to the original copy in original language. I don’t read Greek or Hebrew, I don’t care how they interpret, but need to inform the readers what added for references. I know I’m not going to check the Hebrew texts.
@@LittleRadicalThinker You said "The removal literally means added words to the sacred texts. Of course they can’t do anything to the original copy in original language."
All Bible versions add words to the text, they must, even the word "other" in various places, this is a service to the reader.
If the added words make explicit in English what is implied in the Greek then there cannot be an issue.
What Bible version do you use most and feel is the most accurate?
Thank you for these videos.
Really interesting and Thanks.
The most corrupted I believe is that we have a spirit, a personal part of God’s spirit.
1 Chor 2:11 “For who of men knows the things personal to a man except the man’s spirit which is in him? in the same way nobody knows the things personal to God except God’s Spirit. “
Act 17:16; 19:21; Romans 1:9; 8:16 and many places.
Think about how important it is to understand that the fruits of the spirit is from you and not something pushed upon you by God.
Or that the hole meaning of 1 Corinthians is that we can understand the depths of God. The chapter also tells us what it is to be spiritual. Look it up in the linear Bible for v. 13. It is our spirit judging Gods spirit. Amazing.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR HOMEWORK!
i agree with 85% of this (still thinking on the other 15%). Jesus even said he’s HEAD of the congregation. no governing body is NEVER mentioned in any older translations
Yes do your research on everything, test to see if it's true or not! Good video too.
I agree that jw-org has made many changes to the bible to fit their beliefs. I have a long list of scriptures to prove it. Woe to them. But Revelation 22 uses the term "in this scroll". Now, I know that changing ANY scripture is wrong, but does Rev. 22 mean -
"this scroll" Revelation?,
Or "this scroll" the Bible canon?
Make sure you look up in the New world Translation Acts 8:37
Thank you for this informative video I love your work ❤️
This is not an endorsement for WT, this is just my opinion....The problem with Col 1:16 is that the opposite is true that people take an overly literal approach and conclude that Jesus wasn't created, by assuming that Jesus is excluded from this statement that "all things were created by him". But one has too keep in mind that Jesus is called the "Image" of the invisible God. A reference to man being made in the "image" of the God.
If Jesus is not excluded "from the all things", then you have to then deal with the verse when it says "For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible". Well that begs the question then, did Jesus create the "Invisible" God? Since it says he created all things, including things that are invisible? No one would conclude this, so there a massive assumption to say this must mean Jesus is not created.
Paul uses similar reasoning in 1 Corin 15:27-28, but over clarifies to his audience so that they don't take an overly literal understanding, like you might in Colossians: "For he "has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all."
I don't think anyone would consider "all things" absolute at Colossians 1:20, unless one would admit that this would include Satan.
CanadianLoveKnot to Know God aka Yahweh you would have to know Jesus the Son. In reference to Colossians you would need to look at the definitions of the words in scripture. Also knowing that the Greek and Hebrew words once translated to English can have better words to give a better understanding. For example Firstborn in Colossians 1:15 denotes rank. It’s very important when studying the Bible that we ask God to reveal. The Bible is written by men inspired by the Holy SPIRIT. We need the Holy Spirit to understand and reveal. We also need to understand that in translation things / context can get lost. I study other languages and when you sometimes try to translate a language to English some words don’t even translate.
Excellent video, guys
So is their a translation that can be trusted?
@@Samizon5 how was God's name pronounced in the original ancient Hebrew.
Goodspeed's translation also translates "epi" as "on" in Revelation 4, and as "over" in Revelation 5:10.
Kleist and Lilly NT does the exact same thing.
So does Moffatts translation.
Thanks guys another fine eye opening video about that lying bunch at the Watchtower Headquarters... please keep up your great work of keeping us up to date ....it’s very much appreciated
Well done. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks
Exjw critical thinker, very informative very well Put together.. I feel, and these are not to be taken as criticisms but I find your video too short. You left me hungry for more information.. It should be a at least an hour.
Another great video! Keep up the good work!
Greekorthodox church (the church responsible canonized the 76 books of Bible in the synods of 4th to 7th cent A.D), should have chased the wt organization in court for this Bible violating ..
Very very sad..
I really don't like how they charge fornication to sexual immorality. Not only that, but Exodus 3:14 I shall prove to be what I shall Prove to be. As far as I know, God the almighty, don't have to prove nothing to nobody. I love the king james bible, I am that I am. The old way, is always the best way.....
Come on now when you write your OWN bible you get that CARTE BLANCHE
LOL
@@ExJWCriticalThinker I will never go against God and write my own bible, are you crazy. God is the author of the bible, and I for one, will never fall into that sort of judgment. Deuteronomy 12: 32 Every word that I am commanding you is what you should be careful to do. You must not add to it nor take away from it.
Wheres part 1?
Back in the early '60s, the witnesses were encouraged to use other versions and translations. Things change. The old KJV has its problems, all translations show the values, prejudices, ignorance, and agendas. Thus, variety in the library is a good thing.
Beautiful!
What church do you recommend?
paynlaur7523 we believe the Watchtower got this one RIGHT. " Religion is a Snare and a Racket"
You have to decide do you want to become involved with a " high control or low control " religious group or something in between
But at the end of the day --- you will be controlled
it's just a matter of how much and how comfortable you are with that group's level of control of your life.
After 30 years of arguing with folks as to whether Jesus died on a. " LIGHTPOLE or TELEPHONE POLE " we have very little interest in going back into another religious BELIEF SYSTEM
just our 2 cent
JT
@@ExJWCriticalThinker I agree with you I feel like it's my duty to study the Bible deeply and try to figure out to the best that we can what God is telling us and then teach our children in our home and spread good news to those who are depressed around us and help the poor and take care of those in need and imitate Jesus in that way and do our Bible study in house because I don't know if any of religion has this right to be honest
paynlaur7523 your point is well
Wt is not too much into charity Lol
ExJW Critical Thinker
Decided to make my own video on abuse domestic abuse in the home
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@@ExJWCriticalThinker Understood. The logic circuits have taken enough of a beating. They need to be refitted.
According to the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures Revelation 5:10 reads:
"and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule over[Gk 'epi']the Earth."
Surprisingly, i have come across sites like yours that calls the New World Translation's rendering of the Greek word 'epi' by "over" as a "mistranslation", even calling upon their readers to check that this is so with regard to other translations and Greek Lexicons, though none are cited to justify this criticism!
Following is an e-mail sent in this matter to the owner of one such website:
"Dear Sir,
We were interested to see that you call the New World Translation's rendering of 'epi' as "over" at Revelation 5:10 as a "mistranslation". Our question is why?
The following translations also translate "epi" here as over:
• The New Testament in the Language of the People--C.B.Williams
• The New Testament in Modern Speech--Weymouth
• The Holy Scriptures, A New Translation from the Original Languages--Darby
• The Complete Bible in Modern English--Fenton
• The Holy Bible,A Translation From the Latin Vulgate in the Light of the Hebrew and Greek Originals--Knox
• The Modern Language Bible-New Berkeley Version
• The Bible, An American Translation--Goodspeed.
• The Amplified Bible
• The Unvarnished New Testament--Gaus.
• Holy Bible, An American Translation-- W.F.Beck.
• Compare also Marshall's Interlinear which says under the word 'epi' at Rev.5:10 - "on(?over)"
See also these well known Greek-English Lexicons:
• A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature by Arndt and Gingrich(p.286)-- b.fig.-a.over of power,authority,control of or over someone or someth.......Rv 5:10. and
• The New Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament(p.231)--A.with the GENITIVE....
\d.fig.used of things,affairs persons,which one is set over,over which he exercises power.....Rev.[5].10
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Can you still call the New World Translation's rendering here, in all fairness, a "mistranslation"? Are you not being guilty of misleading some of your viewers who will not bother to check up your statements for themselves and just accept what you have alleged? Are we to expect that this 'example' of a "mistranslation" by the New World Translation will now be removed from your video?
When "epi" is used with a verb denoting authority/rulership then "epi" indicates the compass of that authority/rulership. If a search is made of the Greek N.T. where "basileuw[to reign as a king]epi" occurs(as it does in Revelation 5:10)you will be able to see that in every case "epi" means "over", eg., Luke 1:33; Acts7:18.
Interestingly, Micah 4:7LXX contains the same verb "to reign as a king" with the prepositions "epi" and "en" and is translated by Brenton as "and the Lord shall reign over[basileuw epi] them in[en] mount Zion."
Two commentaries that support the rendering of EPI as "over."
1) Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible of Jamieson, Fausset and Brown:
"...KELLY translates, "reign over the earth" (Greek, "epi tees gees"), which is justified by the Greek (Septuagint, Judges 9:8, Matthew 2:22). The elders, though ruling over the earth, shall not necessarily (according to this passage) remain on the earth...."
Note here that translating EPI at Revelation 5:10 as "over" is "justified by the Greek."
2) John Wesley's Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible comments on Revelation 5:10.
"And hast made them - The redeemed. So they speak of themselves also in the third person, out of deep self - abasement. They shall reign over the earth - The new earth: herewith agree the golden crowns of the elders. The reign of the saints in general follows, under the trumpet of the seventh angel; particularly after the first resurrection, as also in eternity, Revelation 1:18; 15:7; 20:4; 22:5; Dan 7:27; Psa 49:14."
Notice "They shall reign over the earth"?
Two recent Bible translations also have "over" for "epi" here at Revelation 5:10.They being the Complete Jewish Bible by David H. Stern(1998) and The Message, The Bible in Contemporary Language (2002)by Eugene H. Peterson. Also, we note that The New Testament, Recovery Version(Revised edition, 1991, Living Stream Ministry)though it has "on the earth" has a footnote that says "Or, over."
One might point to Rev.5:3 and 5.13 where the same Greek words, namely, EPI THS GHS, literally, "on the earth," occur and so this points to the same meaning for EPI in 5.10. However in both these scriptures BASILENW, "to reign," is absent and also in both there are clear expressions that indicate that location is here meant for in both v.3 and v.13there is "But neither(v.3)/And every creature(v.13) in heaven ....nor underneath the earth..." which expressions are absent from v.10 where EPI THS GHS occur. It would be poor exegesis then to simply point out that in verses 3 and 13 of the same chapter that EPI THS GHS occurs and yet place this truth over the more applicable truths as given above. Also, just because GHS, "earth" can refer to a place as well as a group of people(here in Revelation 5.10 to the 'earthly society of humans' whom these kings and priests will rule "over)does not mean that the meaning of "earth" here is ambiguous. The point of vv.9, 10 is not where these "kings" will rule but whom over they will for these "kings" are those who have been "bought...for God" and from "every tribe and tongue and people and nation" and these kings will rule "over" these or the remnants of these. The same thought is given in Revelation 2.26 where we can read "To everyone[Gk; AUTW lit. "him")that conquers and continues to do my work to the end, I will give authority over[Gk; EPI] the nations."-New Revised Standard Version.
Clearly then, those translations that translate EPI as "over" at Revelation 5.10 are the more accurate in conveying the meaning of the original. But I doubt you care
Interesting you have a point it could over or upon either way the Jws Bible NWT is biased of course that claim could be done for many others to this day a i gone through most the new testament of the jws Bible and compared with there own Greek text or the one they use for the Greek scriptures and to this day nobody or any jw can answer how horribly they translate Ephesians 5:19 I mean that verse includes of course they input Jehovah and they have the nerve for adding God to the text and I have seen and own so many Bibles and to this day they ruin and tarnish that verse well I guess Jehovah provided this nonsense.😀
Excellent point!
"Be like the Bereans and google it" Awesome! I love you guys.
My eye opening "scripture"
MATTHEW 27:52,53
Verrry informative! Thank you. 👍🏾
JEHOVAH Witness BIBLE worship JESUS (the lamb).
REVELATION 5:13-14.
TRUST in GOD. Not of group of Men..
Read 1 Chronicles 29:20
Very good. GOD bless your ministry.
excellent,very true
Interesting. So please tell me as someone who doesn't know. What bible doesn't add words to the the text.Thank you in advance
Samizon Example?
Samzion Sorry not following perhaps. What i mean is give an example in the NWT that breaks the rules of not following" the rules" and whose rules? Just one at a time wold be good. Thanks
Samizon I don't believe it does change the text because a first century christian would know Jesus is the beginning of God's creation and the firstborn OF creation. Therefore the word other in no way changes the meaning. Unless you want to change how the Apostle John used the word Arche in all his writing and the word Firstborn in the entire biblical database. A trinitarian of course will object to the use of other because it implies Jesus is a created son of God as many scripture support. Including his being a master worker and the one through whom creation came. So while I think perhaps it may have been advantages to still have the brackets, it is not altogether necessary. Another scripture please? yes i did watch it. I gave an answer to a wrong conclusion below to a part
Would you like all the translations that say The word was a god including the coptic greek which is the oldest translation from koine greek.
The question of the word being a false god is so flawed its not even funny. Are Angels god's according to scripture. A yes or no is good.
CANT FIND THE GOVERNING BODY REFERENCE IN THE NWT??? INSTRUCTIONS:
JW Library App: Windowns Desktop
1) Click on the bible (study edition)
2) Click Introduction (at top)
3) Click on title "New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (Study Edition)
*At this point, you should see an image of the cover of the Silver Sword.
4) Click the right arrow (or scroll a page to the right)
*Now you should see a list of the books, and under each one see the title "Outline:"
5) Scroll down to ACTS, and click on the Outline
6) just scroll down to 15, and there it is.
Don't worry there is a paradigm shift in the way we think and understand things and how we get information ~~ We are getting closer and closer to the truth about all things including Religions in like no other way thought of ~~The shift will take place there is no way of stopping it ~~mankind tends towards needing answers and reasons for things and what we understand to be truth ~~~and we are getting there ~#
9:44 I can't find that reference anyplace in the NWT version?
do you have the JW library app? (i assume youre not suppose to be here like me....)
1) Click on the bible (study edition)
2) Click Introduction (at top)
3) Click on title "New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (Study Edition)
*At this point, you should see an image of the cover of the Silver Sword.
4) Click the right arrow (or scroll a page to the right)
*Now you should see a list of the books, and under each one see the title "Outline:"
5) Scroll down to ACTS, and click on the Outline
6) just scroll down to 15, and there it is.
(I did this on the windows desktop app - so if there is a difference with mobile, i am sorry).
The GB and the Writing Department are the God of JWs.
JT & lady C who would you guys say Michael is spoken in the scriptures?
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why did they change it. whats the purpose. what do they want from people? what do they want us to believe that is not real?
Oooo like the outro music!!
While I would gladly throw WT at the G8 under the bus, and agree with not adding or taking away from scripture, but the reality is that all bibles are of guilty of the same tricks. The key is to know where the problems are. Just comparing the NWT to other bibles is really a waste of time. You have to look at the Hebrew or Greek, and drill down from there. Heb 1:6 the greek word there is proskynéō. The definition says:
4352 proskynéō (from 4314 /prós, "towards" and kyneo, "to kiss") - properly, to kiss the ground when prostrating before a superior; to worship, ready "to fall down/prostrate oneself to adore on one's knees" (DNTT); to "do obeisance"
So WT actually has this one right, and makes sense with scripture, such as Psalms 2:12, which says to "Kiss the son..."
If you can't beat with GOD; Join em with the Devil.
I think the point on this one was to show the amount of change within their own translations. within 3 bibles, from the JW's there was substantial changes from what was at least a commonly known translation, to more of a bible laced with doctrine interpretation.
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While I agree with your point, the commonly known translations have also proven to have systemic errors, which exist because of biased interpretation. It would have made more sense to drill down into the greek or hebrew.
@@CanadianLoveKnot fair point!
Actually, even by looking at any Bible, the Holy Spirit can guide us to see the truth. For example with this video and critical thinking.
Well put
They’ve done the same thing, as one example, at 1 Cor 6:9. Are you aware of this?
my cousin was going to gatherings of JV. his story went into television and newspapers. at the beggining of his interactions with this religious group he was fine, but in the end, unfortunately, he had no place to live no money no jewelry. BEAWARE people. those religious groups may prey on emotional needs of the people and they lure you in and not everyone is happpier at the end.
Who or what can you trust other than our Creator connecting with us to give us answers
Thanks.