Yamaha R15 vs 2023 Hero Karizma XMR - Best sportbike under 2 lakhs? | Comparison | Autocar India
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- A new rivalry in the faired segment is between the Yamaha R15 and the Hero Karizma XMR. Which one comes out on top? Zaran Mody finds out.
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The best thing about yamaha is mileage without compromising with performance i usually get around 50kmpl that too riding at 80-90kmph. Used to own fzs v3 before which used to give me around 40kmpl with the same riding style. I'm very happy with the r15m and the reliability which yamaha offers is unmatched.
Bro is that back pain issue so overrated? Don’t we get habituate to the aggressive posture??
@@aadityapatil1354 depends upon your physique also. I'm skinny and tall so i feel comfortable riding in a sporty position also. Most prominent is wrist pain which i start feeling after 200-250kms riding continuously that too on mountain roads of Himachal where you have to work with throttle a lot. Take a short break and you are good to go again. I was also worried about sporty riding position but now i am used to it and will keep this bike for years.
@@tarun_M1710 and bro what about the parts quality? I heard build quality is lacking in V4…. Grab rail breaking issue and all that
@@aadityapatil1354 i purchased my bike in may 2022 still it is as good as new. You just have to be careful about those panels cause it is a sports bike not a touring bike. I rarely ride with pillion and never took anyone for long ride. This bike is meant to be ridden solo. In my riding history of around 40000kms i only once had a small fall because a car suddenly turned and my r15m hit the car and fell. Still there is only a minor scratch on the fairing and everything else was intact. No one can even tell by looking that this bike had an accident. So i will say the build quality is pretty good. If you are planning to buy r15 go for m version it's worth the extra you pay for it.
I get 50 milege on v3 cruise speed 100 every time not below
The new Karizma in it's current form, is some seriously impressive work by Hero because this is they first time Hero is doing something so state of the art in terms of tech. They seriously need to work on reducing the weight of the motorcycle substantially, How ironic, is that the XMR looks sleek and leaner than the R15 while the R15 is a FULL 20KGs lighter. Benefits of a full aluminum perimeter frame and swingarm over the steel trellis chassis and steel swingarm, I guess.
I hope there is a ZMR that sits above the XMR, with more hardware, weight reduction to compete better with the R15.
On point bro. Let's be friends....😅. I m too eyeing for the "ZMR" 400 or the "Hastur 400".
Bro Karizma is a 210 cc bike and r15 is 150 cc bike. There would be obvious weight diffrence. When compared to the 200s it's about the same more or less. The zmr would never come again. Haven't you noticed Hero aligning all their bikes and scooter names with some name that start with "x". So i don't think a ZMR is likely 🤔
@@vithulsmangalath cc difference is there but that is not the only factor for weight and yes, similar to other 200s. Hero themselves said they will bring out an upgraded 210 so they cannot call that one as XMR as well. ZMR could be back because of this one theory.
@@mugeesshiekh Hastur and HX are concepts that are likely dead. A big Karizma 400 is likely to come though.
@@BrattyBiker with respect ro the xtreme 160r lineup, it would be maybe called XMR pro or something like that. Or maybe a XMR-R🤔
I own a Hero Xtreme 200r, now I'll upgrade to Karizma. Thank Autocar for review.
Bro better go for speed 400 if you have money and upgrade to a better bike
Upgrade to a higher segment bike
@@muhammadfaheem3746 sorry mate came out a little rude I guess
@@praveenm2150 speed 400 is not an upgrade from a 200 cc bike. It doesn't feel like it has 40 bhp while riding. A duke 390 is a better option if you want to experience a true 43 bhp punch🤔
@@vithulsmangalath not everyone likes the punch bro some like gentle riding and also need the extra power when pushed if you take Duke and drive in lesser gear it will give you hell where as speed 400 can go 30 on 4th and can pull upto 140kmph when pushed. Anyway it solely depends on riders
Im not sure how you claim Yamaha quality is superb when we can clearly see chipped off paint at the base of the mirrors. 0:55 the R15 quality might be better than karizma in comparison, but please do acknowledge that even they have to improve.
Yes. Mirror paint chips off a bit. There is rust in some brackets which hold together stuff. However, nothing happens to the core machine. It is top notch and remains the same even years after. I owned a pulsar, it served well, but the core of the machine...many important parts like the silencer, tank and other parts rust which will make us replace these parts a few years into ownership.
I don't remember when Yamaha's build quality used to be superb (except maybe during the days of R15 V1?), it is great (relatively) but still they have their issues.
I remember, in 2019 when MT15 launched in India, the journalists were complaining about the flimsy plastics, and there were already problems with R15 v3's tank opening up and all. I personally found panel gaps in their FZ when I test rode it back then. Even the FZ25 had rust issues initially. I heard they improved later but I don't know by how much, would appreciate if someone else shares their recent experience.
I have the FZ25 since May 2017 and I have no rusting issues in my bike whatsoever but yes the panel quality of the rachets (latches to hold the chassis) section at the rear could have been better as they broke in the first part of its life.
I agree.. over the years Yamaha have downgraded their quality
True
If only the karzma was more good looking it would have been a easy choice
If you have set sights on the R15, it is very rare that any other bike in the indian market will satisfy you. Even an R3 is different. There is something raw and yet refined about the R15.
it is good looking
it is good looking
It looks stunning imo. I'm honestly tired of r15
The R15 is boring now. I'd give the appearance award to the XMR 210.
It is very difficult to ride an R15 for more than 30 mins on the go because of the seating posture. Your back and shoulder will start hurting after a while. The helmet resting solely on the neck makes it another area of concern. Yes, it is the best budget bike out there if you want to have that sports bike feel with great mileage. But it definitely is not designed for day to day commute
I ride my R15 on daily basis . I ride it continuously for 2 hrs without taking a halt.. Even I take it for daily commute through city traffic… But it gives a great pleasure while riding, I don’t feel such pain..
@@SINGHSAAHB23 I guess it's a problem for only some people. Better to test ride it for long distance before making a buying decision
R15 v4 is more race sporty bike not like a normal bike. So its seating position is different
People can say a lot about R15 or I can say their preference but the fact is aggressive handle placement of R15 is actually difficult to cruise. I tried V3 and instantly rejected. Gixxer SF has better sitting posture than R15.
@@liveonlaughter6490 Offcourse it is about every individual rider that what he wants from a bike, not everyone likes such commited riding posture.. Because if the rider will not feel comfortable while riding then it is useless to keep such bike..thts why R15 is not meant for everyone.. I personally enjoy the aggressive riding posture of R15 hence I often ride it for long distance for hours n hours without fatigue...
Ok, Engine reliability = Yamaha 🏍️ I’ve the first generation model 2012 still has the same power notes, never disappointed me in terms of any engine or any other issues
Tale of the past 🤗 It's BS6 era. Every bikes that is coming out of factory floor is now equally reliable
@@vithulsmangalathit's the after sales service front which needs to be reliable
yeah but people buy it mostly just for the hype, while practicality which this segment is aimed at is Zero... how many will take a 155CC to a race track, while they satisfy themselves on the real city roads, ending up on a fatal situation
@@chandansoren8002 Yes you are absolutely right. I have Karizma ZMR and RTR 200 4v. To be honest the after sales is terrible for both the companies in my area. Even the yamaha showroom is shitty here. They treat us like gods until delivery and beggars after that. The best option is to get your bike serviced outside company dealership 😑
Nothing ever comes to the close of R15 design. Especially R15 V2 limited 50th year anniversary edition ❤
Because I think u r having it
@@marco9246 ofcourse 😁
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R15m V4 is the best looking sports bike within 8lakhs
@@marco9246bro...😂😂
Finally!!! A video THAT SETTLES THE DEBATE!! thank you autocar
oh man a satisfying one that too
10 km extra average than xmr...😂😂😂.. yamaha 150cc bikes doesnt give more than 35km/l..
Yamaha r15m is a instant legendary icon. Its only going to get more valued as it ages.its something precious. Yamaha actually bring real racing tec for affordable price , delta frame, golden fork ,swingarm ,slipper , traction and aerodynamic design. Go for it
R15 is not practical in day to day city commutes . Wrist hurts a lot in traffic and after a bumpy ride if ridden for a long duration 😢😢
I mean...that's why it is better than most of the bikes in handling and stability department?? Either you get comfort and okay handling or..an aggressive posture with god level handling
If your wrists hurt after riding agressive sports bikes, it means your not engaging your core muscles or they're weak. They're suppose to hold up your upper body without your arms taking that load
Thus, we can understand that model is not for u... find some standard handle bar type models...like unicorn splendour something...r15 not intended to give u comfort
@@daydreamer3609 Yes bro that's why I bought interceptor last month 😅😅
@autoenthusiasthere7125 yeah..thats a perfect choice...but if u choosed a gt u have repeated the foolishnees..interceptor
i think we should give a chance to our 100% indian made machines karizma.... surely they will do the corrections by the time...
The closest rivals of xmr are rs200 and rc200 and still everyone is comparing it with r15😂😂😂
RC 200 is a class apart. RS 200 is old and dated as compared to the Karizma. RS200 is not selling as much as the R15. Hence, Karizma is here to take a pie off the market share R15 is currently enjoying. Sadly, motorcycle enthusiasts don't turn towards hero when they go looking for performance-oriented bikes.
Price wise it's the r15
R15 is 15 to 20k more expensive than xmr. That's why...
*XMR is a bike designed with Indians in mind while Yamaha R15 reflects it racing DNA from bigger capacity of Yamahas..which is followed like a cult world wide. XMR is more like a city cum touring bike with some stunning looks from some angles but R15 is devoted to more specific clientele for which Yamaha is know.*
*Where XMR has missed is its width..had hero increased few more mm on the both the sides of the fairing and made it a bit bulk by absorbing the front wheel rather sitting on the front wheel...it would have looked proportionate at the same time Yamaha looks stunning and is a perfect poster for walls, while XMR designers need to go back to the black board and drop the front height of the bike and because it looks too tall to be a fairing sports bike, neither it looks like a adv but a mismatch of both or have been cleverly designed by hero to give the taste of both the world...none the less where XMR steal the show is the front looks of the bike which truly is unique and will certainly grow on young riders with due course of time.*
*By the way nice comparison...dude...*
R15 still has better components like usd forks, alloy swing arm, link type monoshock, traction control, quick shifter etc etc etc.
Hardware that actually matters for handling😊
@@mugeesshiekh ...yes !! Exactly !!!👍👍
@@mugeesshiekhThe only motorcycle that has equal or better handling than the R15 is the GSX-R150. Sadly the latter is not sold in India.
One thing people forget is xmr is not a racing model its a sports tourer and built like one and other thing is its affordable at the end of the day its an affordable 200 cc faired sports tourer so it cant compete with the likes of rc 200 yamaha r15 in terms of handling and those race dynamics i like the style of it and its easy to live with and is not expensive
Karizma is an all-rounder bike
Many R15 bikes are available in 2nd hand showrooms because it gets uncomfortable for long term
R15 should not be your only bike. It is also not a good thing to ride this everyday, especially if the roads you ride are bad.
@@roshansvideos R15 is the only bike in many garages. People often tend to buy this out of pure enthusiasm and then live with it because it's a new bike. Only a very small fraction tends to sell it🤔
@@vithulsmangalath , very true. But if the roads they ride are bad, then they end up with injury in their spine. Riding this everyday on bad roads is really difficult.
Actual competitor of XMR is Gixxer SF 250
I have been riding the mid-section premium bikes from last 10 years and one thing I can comment is that, in daily usage practicality is far more important than anything else, I own R15, Honda Hornet, pulsar 220, Classic 350 all I can conclude is the service cost, spare parts availability, easy to fix bike are far more batter. Till now, I can clearly see that Hero is keeping these things in mind. Best example in support of my suggestion is that they can give upside down suspension, but they refused to do so because it is more difficult in terms of maintenance and very expensive when it comes to replacement.
Hi Aamir, would you from your experience recommend Pulsar 220 or R15 or Karizma?
Hero Karizma rocks..It's beautiful in all aspects...Just few things missing,like USD forks and tft display.But leaving those everything else is superb.Good job Hero.Yamaha is good but too pricey..
If karizma with little more milage I will straight away go with it ,but it's an absolutely freaking motorcycle in that segment.
200 cc aur 150 cc mai 10kmpl ka fark toh aayega hi
Guys the video looks amazing even on 1080p with youtube compression. If not 4k, at least upload it in 2k res for better bitrate in our end pls.
Bro got 90 percent voice of shumi 😁
On one beat r15 under 250cc segment once a legend always a legend Yamaha,❤
Something about perfect timming i was just searching for it..
Finally, a worthy competitor to the R15! Thank God or should I say thanks Hero for the updated Karizma! 😅
My friend had an accident while going on R15. Front forks got broken. Yamaha didn't have the strong build quality. Just fibres
U want body and faring full metal? 😂
@@deveshtawre5459 none of the bikes except r15, I've heard front forks have been broken
Lovely comparo there. Two things caught me by surprise- the ZMR being a heavier motorcycle with a cushier front suspension still takes lesser distance to stop, and second the Yamaha is being touted as well finished- I see chipped off coating on the mirror stalks at both ends.
For looks its R15 , no doubt . But power , torque , comfort , fun and involving in daily ride Hero can do it better I feel . Hero should have been better looking . After getting old Hero Honda Karizma into my mind cant look at this thing and call it Karizma .
Booked xmr phantom mat black clr🖤🖤🖤🥰🥰🥰😘from kerala💪🏻💪🏻
I like both of them . I have a few questions. Can we add handlebar risers in r15 ( I want a little bit comfort). Will my mother be able sit on either of this motorcycles?
guess 4 months late but did you find any answers?
My r15 v4 returns 60+ riding at 70kmph. Thats 1.7 times karizma😅. At highway though!
R15 just ruling segment with 150 for Decades. Yamaha Engine ❤🎉
R15 for the design as ever ❤
Yamaha Brand!❤
Hero acts racing and yamaha speaks racing .....both are preety different flavours of tha curry we call race...... One need performance and that umph of racer feeling and reliability get r15 , one need practicallity , better tour ability and vast service network get the xmr . Verdict, both are fantastic and yes good job hero
yeah but people buy it mostly just for the hype, while practicality which this segment is aimed at is Zero... how many will take a 155CC to a race track, while they satisfy themselves on the real city roads, ending up on a fatal situation
@@27akshy true afterall not everyones cup of tea ...i own the version 3 for 2 years now , but frankly speaking it just can't handle city, god my wrist aches...but on the highway boy o boy what a machine
Love you karizma
Bro
Travelling district to district in a state. For that purpose which bike is recommended?
Karizma, because you seat upright and less chances of backpain😊
Any info about rs 200 upcoming updated version?
Except looks the Xmr is a superior bike to r15 now
XMR’s handling and seating position even for a pillion is too good. Can do long rides, I don’t think that there will be 10 kmpl difference between these two & it’s a fresh design compared to R15 which looks fantastic but it’s been a while we need some change. Hope the other companies like Honda come up with CBR 250rr or something to give though competition in this market.
Sir how can i contact with autocar..? I mean to say any responsible person of autocar please
I’ve seen the Karizma XMR in flesh and let me tell you, looks handsome from the side and rear, front is underwhelming. Quality is the main downer for the XMR, the panel gap on the plastic on the tank is glaring and I’m sure it will rattle with time whereas the Yamaha screams attention to detail and quality.. I own a D390 now but would definitely get the R15 as a second bike in my garage one day, it’s just so deliciously designed and desirable 🤤😍
I don't understand why R15 is so loved and bought by a lot of people even with the hefty price for a 155cc motorcycle. Yes the build quality is great, but now a days most bikes are of good build quality. Other then that it being a small capacity engine, takes long to reach 100 kmph, also the ride quality is not good, it's very stoff, but why is everybody liking it so much. Nobody is going to ride it on a track everyday. Why such craze about this bike??? Better to by a 250 or a 200. Or if naked bike is preferred, royal Enfield hunter, TVD ronin, etc lot of nice and better options are there
After 50k kilometres karizma will straightly go to scrap yard....yamaha the king of reliability👑
My uncle had Karizma R for more than 14 years, it was running as good as new, he sold it 2 years ago as the papers were about to expire.
I think you should research more
Both R15 and MT-15 bikes are great. Performance is reasonable, mileage is also reasonable. Maintenance is also reliable and the good thing is that it does not vibrate that much and does not make that much sound.. If I talk about Bihar, you will see more R15 and MT-15 than KTM. There can be many regions for this, Yamaha showroom is very good all over Bihar.
Talking about KTM, there will be 10 to 20 KTM showrooms in entire Bihar. On top of that, they are very expensive, they also give less mileage and there is a lot of problem with parts.
You can also get Bajaj vehicles in good numbers i.e. 220 and 200 in decent numbers but people do not like to buy them at all, their compulsion is that they do not want to spend much money.
Why no manufacturer understand the true pro of r15 that's it's mileage 50-60kmpl is easily achievable still it can cruises reach topspeed of 150kmph
Because they already have a 160cc bike up their sleeves 🤦 Manufacturers can make something like the R15 with technology similar to VVA . I remember a patent of bajaj that was leaked a few years back. But in doing so they will sabotage the sales of both their 200 and 160 at the same time while creating confusion in costumers.
Tqs for your valuable info 😊
Yamaha is a global brand. Yamaha has decades of R & D. No doubt it's better than karizma. However karizma is better than most of bajaj and tvs bikes.
R15 has great hardware, but it's high time it needs more power now, competition is going above 25bhp.
Then YAMAHA needs to come up with a higher cc R series. Because they won’t increase power on this 155cc. For that they need to come up with 200cc or 250 cc engine… But one thing is R15 is a consistent performer over the years.. Many other competitors came bit none could dethrone The King
How many months has it been since the Karizma launched? I am yet to see one on road. I am sure what the reason is but R15s keep hitting the road non stop.
The Looks and the Beauty! R15 all day long 🔥, there's No Comparison ! Karizma XMR is built different. Its own Legacy! No hate.
I own a CBR 250r, But I really love r15 V4 design!
you own the best son, no need to look towards the R15
@@27akshy Indeed bro 🔥 !
want karizma vs RC 200 or RS 200
Way to go Hero 💪 plz bring Naked version of it soon ❤
This was something most people were looking out for , great job by Autocar , However I wish they would have included the RC200 and Rs 200 in the mix.
How does Karizma performs against Gixxer 250??
The r15 looks bigger from the front than the karizma... Sportsbike should have a bigger
front end to be appealing. Because customers will go for naked motorcycles if they really want a smaller front end.
Gixxer sf 155 is the best if you love full faired sports bike and keep practicality in mind. Who cares about hitting top speed.
Sf 250 is laughing from corner
Better to compare Honda 300f which is in the same price segment
Osam video bro..love from Bangladesh 🇧🇩
Hero❤
What about the amount?
Buz the xmr put a 30k into it,change the tyre upgrade to performance filter upgrade the spark plugs and there you have it,the perfect bike for our roads
Do the drag race bro .
All know the specifications
Karizma 😍, Power, looks, comfort, faster, price.
Pls increase the resolution of ur videos
Apache 200 bhi toh dekho bhai
wo toh Naked bike hai
Yamaha having engine reliability if Hero Xmr engine reliability wil be good means then Xmr definitely the game changer...
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A less comfortable bike on road is better than a comfortable bike standing at home because of its efficiency. Power, posture, comfort is temporary. Efficiency is permanent. Whenever you want to take your motorcycle out, you’ll hesitate with the hero as it gives 30 kmpl and on the other hand r15 gives around 50… and that’s definitely needs consideration. You wana hang out and bunk in the town. You’ll look at your pocket and then just park your hero at home and go on your friends access. What’s the point of buying karizma. Go for an R15.
There is still no competition for R15 till I think 250 cc segment. It is THE best bike out there.
Wait for the Beast RS update may be March 2024 ❤
Can you do a review of Kawasaki H2
there is a reason you are comparing a 200cc to a 155 and you you know its not the price
Well price it like a 200 and you get instant comparison with a 200. R15 can never match the acceleration and thrill offered by a 200cc bike. But what sets it apart is the track focused nature of the R15. The next option is only the RC200 but the price difference is what gets the R15 it's advantage. Give Karizma a track focused version, or even the RS 200 a track focused version it would be a clean sweep by the 200s🤗
You talk down about Karishma from start but at the end suddenly it's the recommended bike due to its price.
The headlight design of karizma is aletdown
But the real rival of karizma xmr is pulsar F250
Nah. But maybe the RS 200 if it ever get an update 🤔
R15's swingarm is the money shot.
Why is gixxer not in comparison
Any day karizma
1:29 Diminutive... Seriously?
What is different in this video that no one is aware about ?
Karizma XMR Fun to deive❤❤
Why isn't the RS200 in this Comparo 💔 !?
Doubt cleared - R15 V4 ✅
Thank you very much for this comparison.😄😄😄
200cc compared to a 150cc that makes the R15 already a winner !
No small common sport bike can beat the yamaha in India.
No doubt about the performance of New karizma .. Being a DOHC engine it tends to be more relaxed at high rpms than R15… But the looks are horrible if we remember the old Karizma ZMR it looked awesome but this newer one looks ugly
R15 always, Hero needs to improve a lot
Finally..
YAMAHA Rockzzz ❤ HERO shockz
Karizma is gonna rule indian roads.
There is no other bike in the Indian Market ( apart from KTM RC GEN 1/2) that looks gorgeous like the R15. Yamaha knows it too. RC beats it on performance but for looks? R15 always take it
Always winner is Karizma xmr 210.. the legend is back.. I'm proud of Indian brands.. ❤❤ Japanese brand ko india ka brand hero takkar de Raha hai bhai isse achhi proud wali baat kha ho skti hai.. I love india.. by by Japanese brands..
Should have included rs200 and rc200
R15 For track focused racer. Karizma Xmr for daily road racer 😅
I still love old karizma R after separating from honda I feel like hero lost it.