James Dunham & The McGlincy Murders

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  • @carolyngair7051
    @carolyngair7051 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    750,000 downloads on iTunes... 93 views on TH-cam. I’m proud to be a Patreon of yours! So glad you are doing so incredibly well with the podcasts!!

  • @wookeybradbury
    @wookeybradbury 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Love waking up on a Monday morning to a new Dark Histories and a new Bedtime Stories video!

  • @taramcdonagh9444
    @taramcdonagh9444 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I appreciate what you do. I often listen to your stories several times, your voice is so soothing I often fall asleep before the end.

  • @mjgerleman
    @mjgerleman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This was an exceptionally well-done episode.

  • @MithraSemiramis
    @MithraSemiramis 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm glad I found this channel ☺️ I'm especially enjoying this one as a Californian. I've never heard of it and I love how the well researched contextual information really grounds it in reality. very well written ☺️

  • @brandonp3455
    @brandonp3455 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So I done a little of my own research into this - including statements from one of the last living neighbors around to know about Dunham and the McGlinty’s dynamic - the guy was in his 80’s (the interview was done in the 1960’s iirc) and it’s very interesting because the guy is kinda on Dunham’s side to a degree - saying that the McGlintys, particularly his mother-in-law - were very harsh towards Dunham. It’s an anomaly but I thought it worth mentioning.
    I have trouble thinking of any way Dunham could kill all of the witnesses - except his son - and somehow escape suspicion. Either way you have to believe that the law student would give that damning statement. I do think that Dunham planned things to go more smoothly than they did end up going - but I kinda feel like either way he got the intended result. I think he was worried about a pending divorce and the possibility of his boy getting disinherited down the line when Hattie remarried. So I think it was a Hail Mary that he doesn’t get fingered for the deed - and even if he does his boy gets the fortune - and I think that reassured him. I’m not sure the Hattie’s note forgery was meant to be suicide - I thought it more resembling a “I’m running away” note - whatever he intended to do with that. I also kinda doubt the whole “choking chickens” story but that’s neither here nor there. I can’t build an adequate profile of this guy for my liking - in one instance he’s an impulsive hot-head, in another he’s an animal-killing psychopath - in another he’s a deliberate and reasonable man - in another he’s cautious - in another he’s absolutely cunning in regard to that note-in-a-bottle trick. I think James Dunham is more myth than man at this point, and even his own brother couldn’t seem to paint a coherent picture of the guy - which is suspicious in itself. All of this has totally obfuscated the information detailing his personality and character and it renders him quite a nebulous individual apart from his deeds and potential demise.
    I don’t think he shot himself, I think that was very much a red herring (why did nobody comb the hills for that cave?) and I wonder also in the case of the supposed cabin - why did more not come of that? Sure, it might be a hassle to photograph the thing but SOME kind of follow up would be expected. I kinda feel like the cabin story is a bunch of horse-hockey - something spun to keep the manhunt (or the myth) going, that seems like exactly what the story was meant to do, the last clipping being the day the investigation ended - “Well if he was there the entire time why did nobody find it until now?” “HE PAINTED IT GREEN.” Yeah, okay. I’m not sure that even happened-
    And while we’re on the topic of unsubstantiated possibilities on the centennial of the massacre, the San Jose Mercury News offered other theories as to what happened to Dunham:
    “Over the years, there were many reported sightings of Dunham or possibly his bones. He could have been the ”wild man” roaming the hills near Dulzura, a tiny town near the Mexican border, southeast of San Diego. He might have been part of a Yankee guerrilla gang in Mexico; at least such a gang reportedly had a member named James Dunham who had murdered his family.”
    The Dulzura “wild man” was hunted and killed at some point according to local history there - no affirmation on his identity or a grave site. As for being the member of a “Yankee Guerrilla gang” in Mexico - I’m not even sure what the hell that is, it sounds incredibly interesting. Are we talking filibusters? Or a unit in one of the revolutionary armies (probably Pancho’s if I had to guess) during wartime Mexico? Let’s say the report is accurate and there was a James Dunham in some Mexico-based “Yankee rebel gang” and he killed his family at some point - what are the chances that’s not THE Dunham? How many family-killing John Dunham’s could there be in Mexico?
    I don’t normally feel this way about these kinds of people, but part of me kinda hopes he got away. Not sure why exactly. Maybe it’s because he’s barely a cogent person at this point, more of a vague idea of someone on the run and being hunted, looking to start anew.

    • @brandonp3455
      @brandonp3455 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      To;dr - I think he was the money-man for an expatriate outlaw gang eventually-turned-guerrilla group down-ah Meh-hee-ko way and either died in the upheaval of the revolution, survived and lived the rest of his life in obscurity, or moved to somewhere else like Cuba and lived in obscurity - I hope a fucking postcard or something turns up one day like those brothers that escaped Alcatraz (there’s a topic for ya).
      None of the people who knew him described him as particularly resourceful or cunning or skilled but his actions paint a different story, dude comes off like the evil version of Llewelyn from No Country for Old Men. He’s also a mean shot judging from how he tagged Brisco. It’s hard to hit a moving target at night, even harder to not only tag the guy but drop him in two shots. Luck or this guy knew what he was doing, his flight through the wilderness seems partly-planned as well, it almost seemed like he was testing that guy who knew him and Parker when he asked the best way to get to where he was going, and when they answered incorrectly he knew they couldn’t be trusted, recognizance works both ways usually, if that guy recognized him why wouldn’t he recognize the guy? He probably did, and was sizing up whether or not he could be trusted.

  • @janettaseagraves7521
    @janettaseagraves7521 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m so obsessed with this channel! I can’t believe more people don’t watch it. You’re so knowledgeable 👌🏽 I just love the storytelling, and it’s REAL..... just amazing! My favorite “true crime” channel, plus you tell the stories I’ve never ever heard of before. Just amazing 😳😳❤️❤️

  • @tracysemonik7040
    @tracysemonik7040 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Loved the episode! I just left the San Jose/Silicon Valley (even worked in Campbell at one point) after 10yrs there and moved to PA, so now I'm bummed that I can't go visit the areas you talked about. But a couple of things come to mind: first... The thing about California settlers and first generation immigrants is they were...um...heartier than East Coast settlers. East Coast settlers were really posh compared to people who were able to handle the trail and homestead in new, open country. The first European settlers in Virginia and Massachusetts hired companies and had purchased fares on ships to bring them across the ocean with families and supplies. Those who took wagon trains often did so as families or as religious organizations who really had no experience nor any escape route available from whence they came. These people were tougher...they had to be. And if you think about the US Geography the way you'd think the people HAD to be to settle the West Coast, well, you've got the ruggedness about right. The Donner party were tough enough to resort to cannibalism when they had to. And they were an epic fail. Think how rough and tough the folks were who got through the Sierra Nevada's were. Now, imagine that type of person evading the law and living off of the land. Not thinking it'd be hard for him to do.
    The second thing is: first and second generation immigrants really didn't identify as Americans. They could easily blend back into an immigrant community, especially one that was full of newer immigrants, or a town that saw a lot of traffic. Assuming another identity and going to, say, Argentina via San Diego, disguised as a recent Mexican or Spanish immigrant, really wouldn't have been that difficult in the beginning of the century. It's not like this day and age, where we have fingerprints and photo Id's. And while I think that cabin in the woods was probably where he spent some years, afterwards, I think our man got on a boat in San Diego and probably headed to South America. With the manhunt faded into distant memory, it was fairly safe to assume he'd not be recognized. He spoke Spanish, so that's an obvious choice, as far as I'm concerned.
    The gold rush era and west coast settlement time period is also a favorite of mine. You should look up the little ghost towns of Silicon Valley, like Alviso, which is sinking into the San Francisco Bay, and Colma, which is a town that was basically turned into a giant graveyard as trains of exhumed bodies dug up from the San Francisco area were shipped east and reinterred in a massive, morbid project. Also fascinating is the story of the last of the Sacramento indians, who were finally pushed out of the valley, and the last of their kind, whose name escapes me at the moment. He became a combination mascot/anthropology study, whilst residing between the area universities. Tragic/interesting tale of the last of his tribe.

    • @jesseknutson8151
      @jesseknutson8151 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ishi.

    • @brandonp3455
      @brandonp3455 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Was that during the California Genocide? When the Sacramento Indians got pushed out?

    • @tracysemonik7040
      @tracysemonik7040 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@brandonp3455 I believe so. He was literally the very last of his tribe. I need to look back but I believe when he was able to speak English he told of hiding as a child as he watched every last person from his tribe get slaughtered. There's something especially tragic to me when not only is a person the last of their kind, but when they're the last to speak, read or write their language, and they're unable to communicate any other way at first. That a special kind of living Hell how that must feel...so alone. A type of alone that most of us couldn't comprehend.

    • @brandonp3455
      @brandonp3455 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tracysemonik7040 I experienced extreme and sudden loss recently, right in front of me - I can't imagine getting hit with it to that immense degree and so suddenly and violently. I suppose the only thing anyone can do is persist, but it's crushing just to think about.
      This continent is full of ghost peoples that have taken their language and culture to the void with them, but this is the first instance I've seen of a single soul being left behind, not to be too poetic about it.. I was reading recently about the Hatteras tribe (often called Croatans) and how they interacted with the very early white settlers around Roanoke - likely survivors of that colony sought refuge with the Hatteras among a few other amiable communities nearby and intermixed with them.
      Years later this mixed lineage likely influenced the Hatteras - despite their few numbers - to fight alongside the colonists in the Tuscarora war, which was disastrous for their community - eventually scattering them to the wind.
      Today the modern Hatteras-Croatan tribe (which numbers around 100+ individuals) claims lineage to the original Croatan village folk as well as the Roanoke people, who only numbered around 80 people back then and what seems to be fairly rare among American Indian communities on the Eastern coast, they've been living on the same few islands continuously since before contact with Europeans.
      The modern Lumbee tribe - which is a fairly immense tribe, the largest federally recognized tribe East of the Mississippi iirc (like 40,000 members!), also claims some descent from the Roanoke and Hatteras - I don't know enough to know if this is post-facto affiliation, claiming descent to an old and small, but well known people in the same way the French regard the Gauls and Vercingetorix in relation to themselves to bolster a sense of belonging, continuity, and identity, but I do think it's interesting that you have modern tribes keeping the names alive, if nothing else.
      Historically speaking it's a mistake to lump American Indians together as some nebulous and homogeonous entity, it's complicated but you have to work to understand the different language and cultural groups and community dynamics and how that intersects with the various white settlers and their prerogatives - who likewise can't be reduced to a single caricature. I think people tend to forget that those tribes were all essentially sovereign nations unto themselves and the gradual expansion Westward was more a matter of foreign policy than anything else.
      Regarding the present instead of the historical though, you have to get solidarity wherever you can and it seems the more individual collectives coordinate and consolidate the better it is for all of them. The various First Peoples have a long way to go but they've come a long way since the extreme low point of 1900, when there were only around 300,000 of then, total. Pardon the novel.

    • @tracysemonik7040
      @tracysemonik7040 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brandonp3455 oh no, I enjoyed the novel. Particularly because my family owned a house in Nags Head, so as a little girl, I was fascinated by the Lost Colony. I came to understand why it's not such a celebrated "thing" any more. They weren't lost, they assimilated, and to admit to as such would be almost unbelievable to the people of those times. But to say they were killed would have deterred settlers. So because of that prejudice that native people's couldn't possibly be humane, and to not discourage people from populating the colonies on behalf of whatever crown wanted the land, it was just easier for the reports to come back as "it's a mystery." And the propaganda machine was so effective, we believe the "it's a mystery" to this day!
      Sort of like The Jersey Devil. The story Thomas Jefferson made up to defame a business rival by smearing the family. It was such a good campaign and so effective, to this day we believe it's an actual creature! History is full of examples like this, I love discovering them.
      So, there IS another example, in fairly modern times, of a single individual being the last member of their indigenous tribe, to the point of being unable at first to communicate with anyone else and the last speaker/writer of their language. I can't remember the island, I'll have to look it up, but it was a single woman left on an island in the Pacific I believe. Several "mystery" type channels have covered her story.
      And then there's the Green Children of Woolpit, who were probably from an isolated group of immigrants who spoke a dialect of a northern European language that no one understood where they were found. Yeah, the kids wandered off but the parents couldn't rescue them because it would give away the location of the whole community, whether it was a couple other people or just a few. They suffered from scurvy and other maladies suffered by malnourished people, and that's why their skin was green and the boy died.
      This type of thing happening is WAY more common than "mysterious alien people who came from an alternate dimension." NOT mysterious, still haunting to think about when you put yourselves in their shoes.
      And yes, First Nations people's have been so wronged historically, it's the propaganda machine that allowed settlers to justify taking over their land that STILL feeds racism to this day. The institutional racism within the law enforcement community related to non-whites is just a throwback of how pervasive the European propaganda was. It was ingrained, so they would blindly colonize for the kingdoms and churches. And I don't fault any institution in and of itself. It was in the interests of the colonialists and their campaigns to justify their actions at the time that are to blame. My empathy for those who found their entire cultures destroyed by the colonists is what sort of feeds this fascination I have for their stories. I put myself in their shoes.

  • @pshaw8406
    @pshaw8406 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I remember reading about this case years ago, maybe in a book about the old west, and I couldn't remember the guy's name. I've been wondering about this case for years, wanting to learn more about it.

  • @MoYvStarkey
    @MoYvStarkey 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The whole area was known as Valley Of Hearts Delight.

  • @scottcantdance804
    @scottcantdance804 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a minor detail, and I am only being pedantic because I'm from Virginia... But West Virginia didn't exist in 1841. It was part of Virginia.

  • @debbyparker4436
    @debbyparker4436 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Okay, just a REALLY wierd story . Hard to believe all those people looking for him and he was never caught , but your wrap up at the end of the narrative seems pretty plausible . Thank you

  • @jenrutherford6690
    @jenrutherford6690 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Used underwear ? 😆

  • @dewetmaartens359
    @dewetmaartens359 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love your videos and have watched each and every one of them. I do have one small piece of advice. Please keep your thanks and other chats to separate videos, when you break character it unnecessarily spoils the "mood" or feel of the video. Other channels that are very similar to yours never ever do that, they are very successful yet I think you have a better narrator voice and more in depth research. Trust me on this.

    • @barbarat5729
      @barbarat5729 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I humbly disagree.

    • @lotusflower8
      @lotusflower8 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Dewet Maartens
      I’m not sure how you define success, but I’m rather sure our definitions differ. I believe “success” means being the very best at what you do without sacrificing your creative sensibility or your integrity by conforming.
      Couldn’t you just hit pause at the end of the story? It certainly seems more reasonable than asking someone to change his format to suit your needs/expectations, and then going on to insinuate that it’s for his own good.
      “It is easier to put on slippers than it is to carpet the whole world”.
      Trust me on this.

    • @lotusflower8
      @lotusflower8 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Michael Naylor
      I hear what you’re saying, but, imho, that’s something the listener can work around. It doesn’t make sense to ask other people to change, especially when it’s far easier to modify, or fix something, they see as a problem themselves.
      Just press pause/stop.

    • @marginsnail5920
      @marginsnail5920 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He never breaks the narrative once it begins for credits, discussion, etc. so I think it's absolutely fine as-is. I enjoy the credits and post-show commentary.

    • @debryv952
      @debryv952 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Trust me on THIS!

  • @franreid8203
    @franreid8203 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The baby???

  • @indegostalker2259
    @indegostalker2259 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm a Californian and I have family in Campbell. It's hearsay that Donner were cannibals as far as I know. Also, I am pretty tired of your subtle liberal activist undertones in your preambles. It doesn't matter where a person's family comes from, if they themselves are American citizens they deserve a say in the future policy of their country toward immigration. You don't know everything about America, my waffley and flakey tea bag buddy - no matter how much Buzzfeed you scoff down - so I would very much appreciate your stories to be more unbias toward current social and political trends. You have really been pissing me off for a long time with this, stop. Thanks.
    Oh and it's not "San Louis Obispo" it is "Luis" - we pronounce the "s".

    • @brandonp3455
      @brandonp3455 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      What kind of person pontificates about American ways of life but tells a guy to be ‘unbiased’ because his personal views happen to shine through in over an hour of unrelated content of his own podcast? He is free to provide social commentary in any capacity he please as enshrined in the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America (which applies to non-citizens as well) and how DARE you tell him that because you’re so goddamn special he needs to cater his speech and his international business to YOUR whims because your delicate sensibilities have been perturbed.
      Fucking cry more, you pansy-ass fairweather-freedom-espousing hypocrite.
      You make everyone that shares in your beliefs - and Americans in general - look like whiny bitches and I don’t like being made to look like every bad stereotype the world has of us because your feelings got hurt because some guys that died over a century ago got their political views lightly mocked by some Brit on the internet. That’s what triggered you, how goddamn weak and insecure are you?
      That said, yeah if you’re a citizen you get a say in the policy direction of the country (in theory) - that doesn’t stop a first or second or third generation American from looking like they suffer from cognitive dissonance when they wanna stop all these daggom immigrants from getting in the country. It means if someone espousing the same belief a few decades or so earlier had their way then THEY wouldn’t be Americans at all, making the whole thing reek of hypocrisy and selfishness to the outside observer. Even if you don’t agree because you think America is best as a socio-economic pyramid scheme or something, you shouldn’t be so up your own ass that you can’t see how it looks - it’s bad optics. It has nothing to do with not having a say in the nation’s policy, what a faggy excuse for your impotent outrage. Which you’re totally free to express despite how dumb it makes you look - and which I am totally free to criticize and roast your ass for expressing - because freedom of expression is a wonderful thing.
      Just don’t tell people how to act because you disagree.

    • @Star_Gazing_Coffee_Lover
      @Star_Gazing_Coffee_Lover 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Trump supporter no doubt.