After struggling to do this trick im glad i you made this video. Didnt realize the trick was to keep that pitch angle the same all the way throught the loop. Hence the reason its a LOOP. Thank you!!
I consider your tutorials just about the best I have come across on TH-cam. The blackbox sticks are the icing on the cake, as just narration cannot depict the action taken like the stick(s) insert. Well done.
Truly enjoy your videos man, without them, I do not believe I would have as deep an understanding of PIDS, BB, stick movements as I do. I naturally have the "feel" of how to do certain things, but some things I watch you guys do and wonder "how do they do it so smooth?" Well, Enter Joshua Bardwell, the man I say is the TH-cam MultiRotor authority! Many thanks for your videos man, I will watch every one!
Perfect.....nobody explains better then you when it comes to FPV.....If you had a t-shirt made " I learned something today" and then a "JB" on it, I'd buy it.....Thank you
Thanks. Great video with the sticks, motor sound and explanation. Also the loops you didn't do right help me understand even more than watching someone do it perfectly all the time.
Nice timing on this one. I was just getting ready to go out this morning to practice Power Loops. You make a nice point on the right stick and really just working the throttle to keep it smooth and symmetrical. Sure wish I could fly under 2.5.3 but 2.3.5 is going to have to do for me now. Thanks for putting this out and nice job.
Great explanation and video. Been keen to try these but had in my head they were harder than how you explain them. Will be trying these tomorrow after work for sure. :)
Thank you !! I think watching this will get me looping;) i have had trouble accomplishing a nice loop on rotor rush. I'm kinda noob although i did notice whilst browsing the leader board i'm a little faster than yourself(not to gloat) . off to montreal for another attempt!:)
josh you're killing me. All the moves look great to me. Thanks for the explanation, but perfection is just a crazy thing to try and achieve. Go fly and have fun.
Thanks for the helpful videos, much appreciated. I have a QAV250 with a Naze32 rev 6 running cleanflight. I tried the Seriously pro racing board TWICE and both boards took a crap. The are now referred to as seriously crap boards around my house, and I'll never go back. I wish I knew more on how to tune this naze32 board as it does some weird things at 3/4 throttle and yaw. I'll search youtube for how to do proper pid settings, as I am sure that is the problem. Peace Josh! -Bill
Not true at all. Luke Bannister won Dubai on Betaflight for example. I mean, I haven't taken a survey or anything... I know that Steele and FGA are huge fans of KISS and they talk about it in their videos. But how much that reflects a larger trend, I don't know.
YaaaaY I did my 1st power loop this morning on my 1st try!!! But Kwad Dammit, do you think I could do it again? I spent so much time on my back, in the grass, I felt like putting a red light out >.
Love the content. Super helpful. It would be cool to get some alternate line of sight views for some of your videos. I hardly see any of content like that.
Thanks Josh, I can't wait to try the loop this video is very informative especially the stick movements at the bottom. Do you know what number I should have my expo set on for these tricks.
Well, it's a matter of feel and personal preference. The higher your full-stick-deflection rate is, the more expo you need to make the stick manageable around the center.
Nicely put well done Josh. Your really fluent with the stick controls. Oh yea lol I can imagine your property as a simulator location haha so we all can fly. :) ;)
i think it also depends on how your quad is weighted around or balanced, if your battery is on top, your quad kinda wants to snap to the inverted position,
I found LoS I have to lessen pitch after the apex a little and perhaps feed a little more in towards the bottom. It's a tough move to get clean without the LoS reference.
Hi Josh! Two questions man. Can Cinewhoop powerloop or is it a risky trick ? Secondly how did you put those stick graphics overlay with your "real" fpv flight? Did you have something running while you were flying?
I managed to do one, but crashed half a move later with the excitement... :-D What about sideways loops (using roll) - they should be a little easier, once the horizon stays in view. Do you happen to have a video about that?
Does motor stop enabled affect the loop when you upside down? I mean the setting in cf.. where when your throttle is at zero the props are still spinning at a low rate. Should we set the motors not to spin at zero throttle?
hi great video what battery you recomend me to do power loops please let me now wath mah and c i have a robocat running on 3s and i cant do powers loop perfect as you do
+Janmichael Grant I don't think the battery is what's making or breaking your moves. Possibly you could use more power, in which case any good 4S would do you.
does your quad have Sixaxis you know 3 axis gyro and 3 axis accelerometer. or is it in 100% manual where if a beginner were to yaw a little they would go out of control
+Joshua Bardwell I've just bought a vortex 250 and I've been only flying with smaller quads line latrax alias. I'm pretty confident when flying with those quads at 100% rates so I'm eager to go bigger/more power
th-cam.com/video/MclZFLNG234/w-d-xo.html But the command line utilities don't work any more with Betaflight 3.1, so you have to use the BB Explorer export webm video feature instaed.
Linear. Completely linear. I don't like throttle curves because the hover point of a copter is different for every copter, and what battery you're running, and whether you're running an HD camera. I just want a linear curve on every copter.
Josh does this mean you use the same radio and radio setup for many kwads? I expect this means your radio always delivers the same instructions and let the kwad show its colors? I am just learning and wonder if I can keep binding my frsky taranis to new (frsky-ready) kwads and try them out?
do you use acro or horizon mode? and do you air mode? I have been trying to do the upside down no throttle tricks but I never seem to be able to :( Help plz
I use air mode, yes, 100%. Everything else is acro mode. Literally none of the top pilots use self-level mode. For FPV, acro mode is better once you get used to it. Without air mode, you will not have much authority at zero throttle.
+Tvpc1971 RC expo is about 0.65 or 0.7, and on the FC. Bear in mind that the sticks overlay shows the result AFTER expo, so my actual stick movements are somewhat larger than you are seeing.
+Joshua Bardwell I use a cc3d and I just started flying in rate mode after about a year of flying. Over the next few weeks I'll slowly start increasing my rates and adding expo. Flips and rolls are cool but the loops and upside down hang times really shows control of the machine.
Yes you can hold throttle whole the time that keeps the momentum which is the real power loop as people do LOS. Actually the best way to learn what is going on is by flying LOS....you can see what is going on. with fpv your more less blind during the move
I definitely agree about LOS! I was shitting myself when trying to learn power loops in the "tunnel vision" of FPV (especially when looking up at the sky). I tried it LOS and quickly learnt how the quad behaved during different stick movements and just how much room for error I had before hitting the ground :) I've been doing the same with inverted manoeuvres as well.
Yeah it's all got to do with camera angle. If you work your way up to 60 degrees you can see more of the path your quad is traveling and you don't need to let off as much....right Joshua?????
After struggling to do this trick im glad i you made this video. Didnt realize the trick was to keep that pitch angle the same all the way throught the loop. Hence the reason its a LOOP. Thank you!!
wow, I just watched this video, opened a simulator and the very first attempt was successful! This is incredible detailed explanation!
awesome tips! just got my dji fpv so I will watch and learn as much as I can here
I consider your tutorials just about the best I have come across on TH-cam. The blackbox sticks are the icing on the cake, as just narration cannot depict the action taken like the stick(s) insert. Well done.
lol - I certainly mastering powering full speed into the ground
haha but have you mastered full speed to ground 4 point simultaneous motor contact upside down?....it was so glorious I quit the hobby for three days
sigma power loop
Truly enjoy your videos man, without them, I do not believe I would have as deep an understanding of PIDS, BB, stick movements as I do. I naturally have the "feel" of how to do certain things, but some things I watch you guys do and wonder "how do they do it so smooth?" Well, Enter Joshua Bardwell, the man I say is the TH-cam MultiRotor authority! Many thanks for your videos man, I will watch every one!
+Tom Coffel (TC) glad it's helpful.
The graphic of stick locations during the maneuver is VERY helpful.
You are an amazing asset to this hobby. I cant believe you even answer emails🔥🔥🔥
I feel like some of your videos will be timeless and always useful... ya know, like this one.
your instructions kick ass man. nobody else breaks it down like you do
+Russell Nelius thanks!
Perfect.....nobody explains better then you when it comes to FPV.....If you had a t-shirt made " I learned something today" and then a "JB" on it, I'd buy it.....Thank you
Love your videos!!! great information delivered in a non-biased format. Keep up the great work!
Perfect video by a perfect pilot and teacher! Bravo!!!
Thanks. Great video with the sticks, motor sound and explanation. Also the loops you didn't do right help me understand even more than watching someone do it perfectly all the time.
+Kevin Duquette lord knows I mess up enough tricks.
was doing the tear drop. this vid tightened things up for me now im LOOPIN BABY
I love how much you teach me 1st with the builds and programming now with advanced flying
Hi Joshua Thank you for making thus awesom video. I will have to watch it again before I even attempt one. Thanks again.
Nice timing on this one. I was just getting ready to go out this morning to practice Power Loops. You make a nice point on the right stick and really just working the throttle to keep it smooth and symmetrical. Sure wish I could fly under 2.5.3 but 2.3.5 is going to have to do for me now. Thanks for putting this out and nice job.
Brilliantly done once again Joshua
Thanks your always here when I need you....
Thanks Josh managed my first power loops thanks to you!!
Good job pointing out the camera angle. I hadn’t taken that into consideration.
Great explanation and video. Been keen to try these but had in my head they were harder than how you explain them. Will be trying these tomorrow after work for sure. :)
Thanks for this tutorial. You explained what I was doing preventing me from pitching back.
Yes mr B!!! I ,my good friend have just been power looping. Your tutorial is perfect.Thanks for your time and efforts for all of kwadkind;)
Thank you I`m just learning acro, I got the flips down pretty good, gonna try this next unwindy day!
Thanks JB, I'll be playing with that today! Time to get over the tear drops!
Thank you !! I think watching this will get me looping;) i have had trouble accomplishing a nice loop on rotor rush. I'm kinda noob although i did notice whilst browsing the leader board i'm a little faster than yourself(not to gloat) . off to montreal for another attempt!:)
Question: It's better to keep all the drones at the same camera angle or do not matter?
Excellent video. thanks alot. Could not picture in my head had that was pulled off. Iv such a clear view of how its done now
Supper video, it is exactly what I was looking for.
Since I am a rookie, so I appreciate any information Many thanks. Greetings from Lithuania.
Dude thanks for the tutorial was nice video not to many out there showing how to do tricks or stunts much appreciated :)
Would this be harder with a whoop b/c there's less weight and momentum? Or would we expect it to be easier?
josh you're killing me. All the moves look great to me. Thanks for the explanation, but perfection is just a crazy thing to try and achieve. Go fly and have fun.
+sasquad da'great I'm definitely having fun!
Thanks for the helpful videos, much appreciated. I have a QAV250 with a Naze32 rev 6 running cleanflight. I tried the Seriously pro racing board TWICE and both boards took a crap. The are now referred to as seriously crap boards around my house, and I'll never go back. I wish I knew more on how to tune this naze32 board as it does some weird things at 3/4 throttle and yaw. I'll search youtube for how to do proper pid settings, as I am sure that is the problem. Peace Josh!
-Bill
+sasquad da'great hydra has great ideas for boards but his hardware seems to have issues. Too much smoke for there not to be some fire there.
Agreed my friend, looks as though the serious flyers in our community are going KISS boards and the flyduino route.
Not true at all. Luke Bannister won Dubai on Betaflight for example. I mean, I haven't taken a survey or anything... I know that Steele and FGA are huge fans of KISS and they talk about it in their videos. But how much that reflects a larger trend, I don't know.
I learn more from your videos! You rock!
Thank you Joshua. I value your vids and info. Your the man.
fantastic video , really a big help and a must see !
YaaaaY I did my 1st power loop this morning on my 1st try!!!
But Kwad Dammit, do you think I could do it again? I spent so much time on my back, in the grass, I felt like putting a red light out >.
Amazing video pls what's your camera tilt angle on the video at the time?
It's been a long time and I honestly don't know.
Love the content. Super helpful. It would be cool to get some alternate line of sight views for some of your videos. I hardly see any of content like that.
Thanks Josh, I can't wait to try the loop this video is very informative especially the stick movements at the bottom. Do you know what number I should have my expo set on for these tricks.
Well, it's a matter of feel and personal preference. The higher your full-stick-deflection rate is, the more expo you need to make the stick manageable around the center.
What is throttle? Up or forward? Can any drone do that?
Excellent episode thanks
You give great lessons! Just subbed. Thanx brotha! 👍😊
Was about to start figuring this out, awesome!
Great explanation I will add this to the Facebook FPV freestyle trick page. This is perfect for what I'm trying to do.
+Gostfalcon FPV Please feel free to add the whole playlist as you feel appropriate.
Done!
bawk bawk bawk? Love these vids sir, keep up the good work!
Nicely put well done Josh. Your really fluent with the stick controls. Oh yea lol I can imagine your property as a simulator location haha so we all can fly. :) ;)
Awesome vid Buddy. Love the stick overlay. So, split S and half Cuban next? cant wait, hehehe.
+jonesy400011 split S is already made th-cam.com/video/CyhEUMpFoyA/w-d-xo.html.
Great tutorial brother.
I have a walkera 250 Pro . What do you recommend things for me to practice before trying stunts
Practice stunts in the simulator first until you feel confident.
i think it also depends on how your quad is weighted around or balanced, if your battery is on top, your quad kinda wants to snap to the inverted position,
I did my first loops becose off you 🗣🔥🔥🔥
Can you recommend a drone to buy that wild all this stuff
I have a Mobula7 and It Haven't Flown it for A year because I need a new Motor and I when I do get it I won't Know how to solder it
I found LoS I have to lessen pitch after the apex a little and perhaps feed a little more in towards the bottom. It's a tough move to get clean without the LoS reference.
this is a must see video
Thanks!
Great explanation video bro!
Hi Josh!
Two questions man. Can Cinewhoop powerloop or is it a risky trick ?
Secondly how did you put those stick graphics overlay with your "real" fpv flight? Did you have something running while you were flying?
th-cam.com/video/IOsenLgVXoc/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=JoshuaBardwell
@@JoshuaBardwell nice man
Would you not recommend power looping with Cinewhoop or it can be done?
Sure you can do it.
@@JoshuaBardwell Cheers mate!
I managed to do one, but crashed half a move later with the excitement... :-D What about sideways loops (using roll) - they should be a little easier, once the horizon stays in view. Do you happen to have a video about that?
+Anna Sarah Krämer Fazendeiro I don't.
great video! we appreciate it very much!
That's good information.👍
Does motor stop enabled affect the loop when you upside down? I mean the setting in cf.. where when your throttle is at zero the props are still spinning at a low rate. Should we set the motors not to spin at zero throttle?
+Tooth Pain if you were to do that the copter would lose control
Joshua Bardwell you definitely don't want to drop full throttle otherwise you will lose control but do bring it down to about 10%
Another great video!
hi great video what battery you recomend me to do power loops please let me now wath mah and c i have a robocat running on 3s and i cant do powers loop perfect as you do
+Janmichael Grant I don't think the battery is what's making or breaking your moves. Possibly you could use more power, in which case any good 4S would do you.
Hello It can be done power loop in CC3D Mode ratittude great video
Awesome! Thanks a lot! I'm definitely going to try it! 😊
Next weekend is power loop time!
hey. nice video. you using airmode?
+Chris13FPV Yes.
Can you do this in horizon mode
There’s something oddly satisfying about coming down from that inverted dive.
Great explanation! Subs.
what pitch you using on your camera??
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Help please after firmware update devo 7 controller not connecting to furious 215 walkera
Please Help!!!!
nice flying man
+Ultimatevapor918 thanks. It was a really fun day.
I hope I dont lose my baby when I attempt this tomorrow at the lake lol I should be good though famous last words
Thanks for the help!
should the airmode on when we do power loops?
Airmode should always be on in my opinion. Otherwise you lose authority when you go to zero throttle.
thanks man
is it okay to use rattitude to power loop?
+Ikii Hisada you can try it. It depends in how tight a loop you're doing whether acro mode mode kicks in.
does your quad have Sixaxis you know 3 axis gyro and 3 axis accelerometer. or is it in 100% manual where if a beginner were to yaw a little they would go out of control
All multirotors have at least a six axis gyro. Without that, you just couldn't fly at all.
+Joshua Bardwell well, technically, only 3 axis is mandatory. But I don't think you commonly find anything less than 6.
+Joshua Bardwell I've just bought a vortex 250 and I've been only flying with smaller quads line latrax alias. I'm pretty confident when flying with those quads at 100% rates so I'm eager to go bigger/more power
Verrrrrry cool !
Thanks !!
Wulfy
Thanks for this Video ! Liked ans Subbed already !!
How did you do this sticks visible?
th-cam.com/video/MclZFLNG234/w-d-xo.html
But the command line utilities don't work any more with Betaflight 3.1, so you have to use the BB Explorer export webm video feature instaed.
I am new to fpv flying and quad flying . Can you tell me how to set up your controller for stunt flying
That is a pretty open ended question. Can you be more specific?
how do you set up your throttle curve for stunts. Like what are your points and percentages for low, 1,2,Mid,3, 4 and High.
Linear. Completely linear. I don't like throttle curves because the hover point of a copter is different for every copter, and what battery you're running, and whether you're running an HD camera. I just want a linear curve on every copter.
Josh does this mean you use the same radio and radio setup for many kwads? I expect this means your radio always delivers the same instructions and let the kwad show its colors? I am just learning and wonder if I can keep binding my frsky taranis to new (frsky-ready) kwads and try them out?
+Zak Borg search my channel for "model match"
what flight board do you use. ime using cc3d, is it simple to do these controlled loops I need to be in rate mode. thanks
+Jamie Knight you need to be in rate mode, yes. I run Betaflight on various boards.
dumb question, do you have to be in acro mode to perform this trick. Just learning , I tried in horizon , didn't turn out very well lol
Pretty much, yeah. Horizon lets you do flips and rolls but I don't think it will be great for this type of gradual move.
How do you do the stick overlays.
+Ezi P Blackbox plus Premiere.
Thanks
doing with out AiR mode is tricky.
I wonder if it's possible to do a 360 flip? That's a 360 yaw + 360 roll simultaneously.
+Dean Thorton Sure! But the results might not be what you expect since yaw and roll rate are not the same.
What were you flying in this video?
+Brayton Thompson QAV-R.
+Joshua Bardwell Thanks. Have a 180 size currently. Looking for something bigger to carry a GoPro. Really like how smooth you have it.
+Brayton Thompson I would focus on a great set of ESCs first and foremost if you want good flight dynamics.
this is amazing thank you
do you use acro or horizon mode? and do you air mode? I have been trying to do the upside down no throttle tricks but I never seem to be able to :( Help plz
I use air mode, yes, 100%. Everything else is acro mode. Literally none of the top pilots use self-level mode. For FPV, acro mode is better once you get used to it.
Without air mode, you will not have much authority at zero throttle.
Thanks for your answer XD
what is the expo on pitch and roll and is it set to the tx or fc?
+Tvpc1971 RC expo is about 0.65 or 0.7, and on the FC. Bear in mind that the sticks overlay shows the result AFTER expo, so my actual stick movements are somewhat larger than you are seeing.
+Joshua Bardwell I use a cc3d and I just started flying in rate mode after about a year of flying. Over the next few weeks I'll slowly start increasing my rates and adding expo. Flips and rolls are cool but the loops and upside down hang times really shows control of the machine.
Bloody marvellous bro :]
You ain't no spring chicken though ;]
Can this be done in horizon mode?
Very difficult to do smoothly.
Not sure, I have done some stalled flips in horizon but not sure if you can get that loopyness. Could go out and try it?
süper açıklama ağır çekim çok iyi olmuş thanks ...
I'm sure you've seen the DALRC channel videos of the guys doing power loops under throttle the whole time?
I'm sure you can. I just think it cuts the back side of the loop short.
Yes you can hold throttle whole the time that keeps the momentum which is the real power loop as people do LOS. Actually the best way to learn what is going on is by flying LOS....you can see what is going on. with fpv your more less blind during the move
Kancho!
I definitely agree about LOS! I was shitting myself when trying to learn power loops in the "tunnel vision" of FPV (especially when looking up at the sky). I tried it LOS and quickly learnt how the quad behaved during different stick movements and just how much room for error I had before hitting the ground :) I've been doing the same with inverted manoeuvres as well.
Yeah it's all got to do with camera angle. If you work your way up to 60 degrees you can see more of the path your quad is traveling and you don't need to let off as much....right Joshua?????
Hey just wondering. Are you flying in acro or air?
+MatthewD'ArcyTheLad air mode is on top of acro, not instead of it.
i think i understand what you mean. but anyways you're flying in air mode then right? not any other flight mode
Super!! Thank You. (subcribed)
Thank u mate
Is this places in liftoff. I swear this is the country house place.