NikolasThane that’s pretty much my list I just think the environment for Doublelift to succeed was a little more available. RIOT was very adversarial towards Forgiven for most of his career.
Think that comes because he played in europe. If he was in LCK or LPL or even NA he would have done more. Ofcourse he would have had to get his toxicity under check but with the right team i doubt he would have been as "toxic" as people pretended he was. As for DL he had shity chances up untill he carried CLG and to an extend TSM/TL to the finals. When CLG was a dumpsterfire DL putthem on his back much like Forgiven did with SK and that roster. Forgiven is like the guy who was the best in your class but due to poor chances he got fucked over by life and now you see him at reunions wondering what if he was dealt better cards.
So sad forgiven isnt in LCS anymore. He is for sure a special one, but i like his pressens, and his ig skill spoke for it self.. imo he was by far Eu's best ADC maybe even the best individual player over all!! :D Wish him all the best :)
I still have no idea why people downplay the sucess of Hk2 when they made semis. They were either the 4th or 5th best team in the whole tournament. Why would they not be getting to the semis. The only team that they didnt have to fight for it was RNG but they kind of choked against EDG which H2k was also beating in group stage. Semis was totally deserved for forg1ven and h2k in that worlds.
ERMAGERD THORIN AND FORGIVEN IN THE SAME VIDEO?!?!?!...first btw. Can't believe two of my favorite personalities have collaborated yet again. Good shit. Never clicked on a video so fast in my life.
About the question which player is considered great and has a good character the answer is Faker...But i am sure if he wasn t Korean he would be pretty much like Forg1ven or Doublelift... Its mostly an education problem i think...Not only for the countries they live in (Greece and USA), but also for the bigger Union...Big part of Europe if not all....The whole western style of life is the problem.. About Rekkles's psycological problem that occurs when he is facing some specific personalities i think its because his fanbase expecting him to be greater than he actually is...He knows he can t perform like the way some people expect from him to and that probably blocks his mind to actually fight for his winning percentage...He is running away from the problem/challenge, without letting it effect him..He is probably a perfectionist and doesn t know how to lose...Thats why he plays not to lose, and doesn t always try to win... (about a question of Thorin if you are pleased with your career and if there is anything you wish to achieve with a return in LCS) Forg1ven don t tell me that you don t want to win the World Championship...Its the only reason you would get back to play at LCS...with an organisation that wants seriously win the World Championship, and not just some LCS tittle/s.. You need people around the team that will hurt the same as you do if you lose...All those years you always was getting more pain than your teamates after losing because most of them didn t even care to achieve something or they didn t have the potential to achieve anything and they stoped trying... Thats the reason you don t want to try with a team that is considered to be 5th or 6th seed. I understand you 100%.. So my question for you Forg1ven is...If you had the opportunity to create your LoL team to try to win the World Championship, how would be the roster?
KaneLLo' stupid opinion if you are the best player i your region we expect a lot. and i think rekk is a world class player. btw rekk is doing great in every int stage
Nobody says he is not great. But he really started to play good in lane only in S8 and late S7 and also he clearly has a mental block wich results in him underperforming against asian players. People wouldn't give a fuck if rekkles was not an amazing player, because bad perfomance would be expected. But you expect this guy to show up against koreans and when he does 16% of team damage in a win against KZ thats a problem, you know.
Come back after and play if you think you still got that S6 Worlds form... Rekkles the best Euro ADC as it stands. Forg1ven Caitlin better than Rekkles, though. Caitlin still reigns supreme in the right hands. ADC is more important than it was back in S6 too.
it is not up to him, military service is obligatory. You can say you are suicidal or mentally unstable to get an "Ability level 5" rank, which means you are no longer able to serve and you are granted exemption
Forg1ven is a better player, champions don't matter. Adc has little impact on the game compared to previous seasons, so I don't know what you're talking about
I’m American and Forgiven is my favorite ADC of all time.
for me it goes like this
#1 Doublelift
#2 Forgiven
#3 Uzi
Ofc this means that i like them in that order not that i think the skill is in that order :)
NikolasThane that’s pretty much my list I just think the environment for Doublelift to succeed was a little more available. RIOT was very adversarial towards Forgiven for most of his career.
Think that comes because he played in europe. If he was in LCK or LPL or even NA he would have done more. Ofcourse he would have had to get his toxicity under check but with the right team i doubt he would have been as "toxic" as people pretended he was. As for DL he had shity chances up untill he carried CLG and to an extend TSM/TL to the finals. When CLG was a dumpsterfire DL putthem on his back much like Forgiven did with SK and that roster.
Forgiven is like the guy who was the best in your class but due to poor chances he got fucked over by life and now you see him at reunions wondering what if he was dealt better cards.
I'm English and green is my favourite colour.
#nocorrelation
This is the best podcast combo in esports.
A lot of reasonable and thoughtful responses. Great interview!
when they've already been on 'reflections' twice so you just make 'a talk to thorin' instead lol
Thank you thooorin so much for this! So stoked to watch this!
So sad forgiven isnt in LCS anymore. He is for sure a special one, but i like his pressens, and his ig skill spoke for it self.. imo he was by far Eu's best ADC maybe even the best individual player over all!! :D Wish him all the best :)
timestamps??
My 2 favourite personalities of esports! Dank content right here
I like lol, by far.
"i'm only at 30% in those comments" tom "kumaru Usman" possesed
BY FAR
By far, per say!
scrolled way to much for this comment...
This one came out of nowhere and I love it
subtitles would be useful for this one i think...
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Yes can I get some fries with that too?
WE LOVE YOU FORGI1VEN!
By Far
i don't watch all of it, but I always come here for some good content and like the video
Where are the other Winston interviews?
Thorin knows about League too? Man, he's a legend.
"In Greece it's called like i5 or something" πέθανα
oh my GOD
I still have no idea why people downplay the sucess of Hk2 when they made semis. They were either the 4th or 5th best team in the whole tournament. Why would they not be getting to the semis. The only team that they didnt have to fight for it was RNG but they kind of choked against EDG which H2k was also beating in group stage.
Semis was totally deserved for forg1ven and h2k in that worlds.
The ghost of Steve Jobs is still the best adc in EU.
ERMAGERD THORIN AND FORGIVEN IN THE SAME VIDEO?!?!?!...first btw.
Can't believe two of my favorite personalities have collaborated yet again. Good shit. Never clicked on a video so fast in my life.
I'm a simple man. I see Thooorg1ven, I watch
By far !
per se he would per se say per se
Can we get Dardoch or Jensen next?
G2 Forgiven pls
About the question which player is considered great and has a good character the answer is Faker...But i am sure if he wasn t Korean he would be pretty much like Forg1ven or Doublelift...
Its mostly an education problem i think...Not only for the countries they live in (Greece and USA), but also for the bigger Union...Big part of Europe if not all....The whole western style of life is the problem..
About Rekkles's psycological problem that occurs when he is facing some specific personalities i think its because his fanbase expecting him to be greater than he actually is...He knows he can t perform like the way some people expect from him to and that probably blocks his mind to actually fight for his winning percentage...He is running away from the problem/challenge, without letting it effect him..He is probably a perfectionist and doesn t know how to lose...Thats why he plays not to lose, and doesn t always try to win...
(about a question of Thorin if you are pleased with your career and if there is anything you wish to achieve with a return in LCS)
Forg1ven don t tell me that you don t want to win the World Championship...Its the only reason you would get back to play at LCS...with an organisation that wants seriously win the World Championship, and not just some LCS tittle/s..
You need people around the team that will hurt the same as you do if you lose...All those years you always was getting more pain than your teamates after losing because most of them didn t even care to achieve something or they didn t have the potential to achieve anything and they stoped trying...
Thats the reason you don t want to try with a team that is considered to be 5th or 6th seed. I understand you 100%..
So my question for you Forg1ven is...If you had the opportunity to create your LoL team to try to win the World Championship, how would be the roster?
KaneLLo' stupid opinion if you are the best player i your region we expect a lot. and i think rekk is a world class player. btw rekk is doing great in every int stage
whatever fan boy..Rekkles was the best player of the region in your fan boys eyes since s3...
KaneLLo' not even close xD i dont even follow rekk only see a good damn player if you cant see greatness... xD oh well
Nobody says he is not great. But he really started to play good in lane only in S8 and late S7 and also he clearly has a mental block wich results in him underperforming against asian players.
People wouldn't give a fuck if rekkles was not an amazing player, because bad perfomance would be expected. But you expect this guy to show up against koreans and when he does 16% of team damage in a win against KZ thats a problem, you know.
Антон Таиров he didnt underperformed LOL
I am Greek but I am tired of seeing Thooorin and Forg1ven being pressed with Rekkles. They are hating for no reason at all.
Ty
Come back after and play if you think you still got that S6 Worlds form... Rekkles the best Euro ADC as it stands. Forg1ven Caitlin better than Rekkles, though. Caitlin still reigns supreme in the right hands. ADC is more important than it was back in S6 too.
it is not up to him, military service is obligatory. You can say you are suicidal or mentally unstable to get an "Ability level 5" rank, which means you are no longer able to serve and you are granted exemption
Forg1ven is a better player, champions don't matter. Adc has little impact on the game compared to previous seasons, so I don't know what you're talking about
Per se, by far
per se
Oooooooh boy
flash evi look xd
FNC fans triggered
You simply get likes by typing "By Far" .. how filthy ..
I "tzinK" 2k18 ...
If only Forg1ven had been at least somewhat competent on Sivir :/
I cant even understand what the fuck hes saying.
Λεει in greece they call it I5 ΧΧΑΧΑΧΑΧΑΧ ελα ρε γιωτα
What a crybaby
forgiven should have gone to OW, he is wasting his talent in EU LCS or in LoL in general
Salt King yeah...Owl.....cuz they need more scandals.
Forgiven washed up adc, is this guy relevant anymore?
Legit the best western adc.