Prof and Striker have such stale opinions...the one about Yekindar being the only win condition for liquid is so bad. yes he is important considering his position within the team but are they looking at the screen when they say this lol? they went to semis with Yeki going -24 on the tourney.
Striker's take on Osee being too passive of an awper because of how he played a 1v1 situation (where he was trying to play mind games with Dupreeh) is one of the worst takes I have heard from him in a long time.
The one I disagree with a lot is Vitality. I feel like they deserve a D+ or a straight D, but not a C+. That Overpass throw was a travesty, and apEX's calling in that series was awful. They beat NIP like they should, fnatic pushed them much harder than a team of this caliber should be pushed, they got absolutely bodied by Heroic, and throwing Overpass and losing the series the way they did is the first major nail in the coffin for this lineup. Calling it now: this team is going to be embarrassed in Paris, and they're going to bench apEX and have Magisk IGL. It's clear the communication is really bad for the team, and that's leading to this team having terrible T-sides where they gather no information and die pointlessly, not to mention neither apEX or Dupreeh is really cracking open bomb sites right now, and it's a boat anchor to their CT sides where everyone else on this team really knows their role and can hold a site. If they get eliminated before the knockout stage, at least 1 head should roll, and apEX is the obvious person to replace.
2:53:50 am I the only one who thinks this entire argument is stupid? like Twistzz brought out the trophy because he won Katowice last year, I don’t think anyone is against Twistzz bringing out the trophy other than Striker and Prof here. he shouldn’t touch the trophy because he couldn’t get to playoffs and a superstition says so? it reminds me how Prof made such a big deal on this podcast about C9 letting CEO Jack Etienne lift the Dallas trophy when literally nobody else cares.
I defo agre about twistzz he was fine to lift the trophy I think we all loved seeing him again even tho eliminated he won last year so.. defo disagree about jack though, I think the players themselves should always lift it.
Just back to conversation about Na'Vi, when we're talking about npl, we need to keep in mind m0nesy and b1t. Same academy players, but completely different level, so the pressure is on, same school and knowledge transfer
Difference between Navi and Jordan is in CSGO the Jordan approach clearly doesn't work because the tilt decreases performances where with a physical body athlete like Michael it might enhance his performance. It has to be the same with motorsports too?
2:17:37 exactly their problem, or igling problem, you can't sit on inferno the whole round in the same spots and think you can win CT halfs on inferno against the likes of Faze, G2, Heroic, this is not how current counter strike works
Havent reached the explanation, but personally that sounds about right. I dont believe Liquid can beat G2 or Heroic, i think their ceiling for this tournament was semis, and maybe taking a map off of G2. Navi, however, their ceiling is around grand finals, i dont think they couldve beat G2 or Heroic in a bo5 but in a bo3? For sure they shouldve been capable of at least beating Heroic, even with a new player. S1mple underperformed heavily during semis, so I think the b minus is justifiable. Just my opinion, hope it helps Edit: now that im seeing their justifications, it became clear that these ratings are not meant to be compared from team to team, but rather based on how each team performed relative to what they could achieve and what was expected of them. Point being, Liquid getting a better grade than Navi doesnt mean that they think Liquid is the better team
@@Pyxyty it's okay, honestly anything can happen in cs right now, i genuinely wouldn't be surprised if Navi managed to beat g2 randomly out of NOWHERE but I'm hoping not because Navi needs to get better before they deserve to make it to playoffs again.
The casters and desk hyped up the scenario of g2 losing their map streak and tilting hard and throwing. They lost the map streak and still closed out of the game. This makes them more than legit to me.
@@mist5023 so you basically agreed with my statement that it's clickbait, and it's my personal opinion that clickbait is bullshit. Dunno where you got the ego thing from, i assume it's just one of many random insults you have in your bag of shit to throw at people when you dont have anything logical to actually rebutt with? But anyways, thanks for proving my point :))
Idk how being humble has anything to do with their chances of victory or losing now considering g2 has been humbled for years now, winning two tournaments isn't gonna make them forget. Niko won blast and still knew there was a chance to katowice and hunter has spoken about not becoming over confident on different occasions, I don't think it's an issue
@@maxedoutbeing3239 I completely disagree, g2s issue for the longest time has been NOT having confidence. They have thrown 1st place many times to throwing games and choking them. That's why everyone questioned what would happen if g2 dropped a map in katowice, would they choke the rest of the tournament because they thought they couldn't be stopped? The confidence they came through with on ancient after dropping inferno was something special after all the defeats and chokes in their history. I'm not discrediting what you're saying but I don't think that's really an issue for g2
@@maxedoutbeing3239 sorry mate but i completely disagree with them having to not play cocky. Yes, they definitely gotta lessen some of their aggressive plays in post plant scenarios where they overextend, but at the same time, if they dont play cocky, you wont get the impact plays of jks and hunter with their 2vXs and 1vXs, you wont get the same impact from M0nesy and Niko's playstyle, heck you wont even get the same effect from Hooxi's weird ass calling that seems to work out for them. I think they dont need to humble themselves, but they also have to not be overconfident. They found the perfect balance of cockiness that works for them without being detrimental
Reason hltv arguing about being g2 legit or not bcoz we all know spunz is a sucker for Navi and simple .. And now he can't fathom g2 are beating ass for now for all team including navi..
Nah, Faze lost to good teams. Not saying that isn't like a low C or possibly a D, but it's not a complete failure from the team. The trends for the team are worrying, but we'll see what happens with either the grand slam or major.
@@pellevastano Losing to G2 is fine but losing to liquid is unacceptable for the caliber of team faze is. Same can be said for vitality but in vitality's case, it's apex who lost them the game; in faze's case, it's a systematic problem. Their map pool is garbage: their overpass is basically free for taking by any team; their good maps, inferno and nuke, are no longer world-class; they always second ban anuibis for some reason and they aren't that good on ancient as well; they constantly float mirage as the decider and constantly losing. Their discipline is also absolutely horrible in the game against liquid with players constantly overpeeking and giving back men advantages. Their strat basically relies on osee missing easy shots. For these reasons, faze absolutely deserve an f grade for their Katowice performance.
Electronic should be back to his full firepower position.. F navi system or that someone who things this is a good move.. PUt back electronic to its rightful position being a top 2 rifler behind niko.. i dont care axile or anyone , it is electronic who is the 2nd hand man of GOAT, 2nd best rifler behind niko..
True. Is npl shit? He is but shouldnt blame him at all since hes a rookie with no experience at all. Drop him and get a real igl. Elec is having same issue as niko used to have. Also,s0mple needs to take a break definitely. My guy is getting toxic and tilted a lot again
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Zvonimir and Milan are classic slavic names
Playing into the 2 empty chairs joke by Thorin is so fucking funny
where did he say this lmao
Timestamp?
@@samuelbelko6469 under their name is says empty chair 1 empty chair 2
What joke, I don't watch too much Thorin
@@alexandermeneses5688 good 4 u
SpunJ relationship advice lowkey goes hard.
Yep it may be quite cliche at this point but it was absolutely well-said.
The fact that this is even a question is absurd
21:14 😮😢
guess you got baited
@@SgtTraz meh, already listen to their podcasts anyways
@@Pyxyty facts same m8
I’m a g2 fan myself but the level of cs played at kato wasn’t exactly stellar…
Prof and Striker have such stale opinions...the one about Yekindar being the only win condition for liquid is so bad. yes he is important considering his position within the team but are they looking at the screen when they say this lol? they went to semis with Yeki going -24 on the tourney.
Striker's take on Osee being too passive of an awper because of how he played a 1v1 situation (where he was trying to play mind games with Dupreeh) is one of the worst takes I have heard from him in a long time.
@@dillydallyyyy ill give professeur a pass but striker truly adds nothing more than a silver on reddit could
@@jamiemansfield9430 always has been like that. Spunj is carrying all the time.
Hair is lookin great chad
Best podcast in the scene
spunj going off at 3:56, gotta love it!
Navi look lost all over the map and their map pool is terrible. Unless they pick up an IGL this is going to be a terrible year for Navi
The one I disagree with a lot is Vitality. I feel like they deserve a D+ or a straight D, but not a C+. That Overpass throw was a travesty, and apEX's calling in that series was awful. They beat NIP like they should, fnatic pushed them much harder than a team of this caliber should be pushed, they got absolutely bodied by Heroic, and throwing Overpass and losing the series the way they did is the first major nail in the coffin for this lineup.
Calling it now: this team is going to be embarrassed in Paris, and they're going to bench apEX and have Magisk IGL. It's clear the communication is really bad for the team, and that's leading to this team having terrible T-sides where they gather no information and die pointlessly, not to mention neither apEX or Dupreeh is really cracking open bomb sites right now, and it's a boat anchor to their CT sides where everyone else on this team really knows their role and can hold a site. If they get eliminated before the knockout stage, at least 1 head should roll, and apEX is the obvious person to replace.
what are you smocking lad? stop watching, it aint for u
@@d10ufsbg87no he’s right apex ain’t it
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Roll the BumpR Lukas!!! - Also SPUNJ has been great.
Hair regrowth strong Chaddy B 💪
2:53:50 am I the only one who thinks this entire argument is stupid? like Twistzz brought out the trophy because he won Katowice last year, I don’t think anyone is against Twistzz bringing out the trophy other than Striker and Prof here. he shouldn’t touch the trophy because he couldn’t get to playoffs and a superstition says so?
it reminds me how Prof made such a big deal on this podcast about C9 letting CEO Jack Etienne lift the Dallas trophy when literally nobody else cares.
I defo agre about twistzz he was fine to lift the trophy I think we all loved seeing him again even tho eliminated he won last year so.. defo disagree about jack though, I think the players themselves should always lift it.
Prof and striker back with unreasonable opinions. Nothing new tho
Overconfident moments? This is Tier 1 - like Chad said. A so-called "overconfident play..." "Force[s] a reaction". It's not Tier 8.
Just back to conversation about Na'Vi, when we're talking about npl, we need to keep in mind m0nesy and b1t. Same academy players, but completely different level, so the pressure is on, same school and knowledge transfer
Difference between Navi and Jordan is in CSGO the Jordan approach clearly doesn't work because the tilt decreases performances where with a physical body athlete like Michael it might enhance his performance. It has to be the same with motorsports too?
2:17:37 exactly their problem, or igling problem, you can't sit on inferno the whole round in the same spots and think you can win CT halfs on inferno against the likes of Faze, G2, Heroic, this is not how current counter strike works
2:50:53 yeah, Brazilians know how to party and cheer fr 🤪 there was a huuuuuge party at Furia Mansion after Major and we didn’t even win tho
imagine going, im jealous
brasil é uma piada
"Are G2 legit" lmao what a dumb title
NaVi B- vs Liquid B+ makes no sense. NaVi has new player and still beat Liquid 2-0 in group stage.
Havent reached the explanation, but personally that sounds about right. I dont believe Liquid can beat G2 or Heroic, i think their ceiling for this tournament was semis, and maybe taking a map off of G2.
Navi, however, their ceiling is around grand finals, i dont think they couldve beat G2 or Heroic in a bo5 but in a bo3? For sure they shouldve been capable of at least beating Heroic, even with a new player. S1mple underperformed heavily during semis, so I think the b minus is justifiable.
Just my opinion, hope it helps
Edit: now that im seeing their justifications, it became clear that these ratings are not meant to be compared from team to team, but rather based on how each team performed relative to what they could achieve and what was expected of them. Point being, Liquid getting a better grade than Navi doesnt mean that they think Liquid is the better team
@@Pyxyty Navi beating g2 lul
100%
@@onemicyeehaw1583 i meant Heroic haha, my bad
@@Pyxyty it's okay, honestly anything can happen in cs right now, i genuinely wouldn't be surprised if Navi managed to beat g2 randomly out of NOWHERE but I'm hoping not because Navi needs to get better before they deserve to make it to playoffs again.
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Also, feels like G2 won the games on the "wave" more than from strategy or calls
EG gets an F- from me. Team is washed bro
and again striker please for my sakes. stop stop talking and stop saying "like like like " f...
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Agreed. Clickbait bs
The casters and desk hyped up the scenario of g2 losing their map streak and tilting hard and throwing. They lost the map streak and still closed out of the game. This makes them more than legit to me.
@@Pyxyty its a leading question to get you to click, and shouldn't hurt anyone, but I guess ur ego is hurt for some reason?
@@mist5023 so you basically agreed with my statement that it's clickbait, and it's my personal opinion that clickbait is bullshit. Dunno where you got the ego thing from, i assume it's just one of many random insults you have in your bag of shit to throw at people when you dont have anything logical to actually rebutt with?
But anyways, thanks for proving my point :))
@@mist5023 if a tittle said: "did astral is really have an era." Would that not make people react the exact same way?
I like the comment about us 🙂
I'm a die hard fan of g2 but they need to be humble before they win the major. The more you are an underdog the more chance you have to win
Idk how being humble has anything to do with their chances of victory or losing now considering g2 has been humbled for years now, winning two tournaments isn't gonna make them forget. Niko won blast and still knew there was a chance to katowice and hunter has spoken about not becoming over confident on different occasions, I don't think it's an issue
@@onemicyeehaw1583 I'm no pro gamer but i know the consequences of being cocky. I'm just saying they should play like underdogs
@@maxedoutbeing3239 I completely disagree, g2s issue for the longest time has been NOT having confidence. They have thrown 1st place many times to throwing games and choking them. That's why everyone questioned what would happen if g2 dropped a map in katowice, would they choke the rest of the tournament because they thought they couldn't be stopped? The confidence they came through with on ancient after dropping inferno was something special after all the defeats and chokes in their history.
I'm not discrediting what you're saying but I don't think that's really an issue for g2
@@maxedoutbeing3239 sorry mate but i completely disagree with them having to not play cocky. Yes, they definitely gotta lessen some of their aggressive plays in post plant scenarios where they overextend, but at the same time, if they dont play cocky, you wont get the impact plays of jks and hunter with their 2vXs and 1vXs, you wont get the same impact from M0nesy and Niko's playstyle, heck you wont even get the same effect from Hooxi's weird ass calling that seems to work out for them.
I think they dont need to humble themselves, but they also have to not be overconfident. They found the perfect balance of cockiness that works for them without being detrimental
Reason hltv arguing about being g2 legit or not bcoz we all know spunz is a sucker for Navi and simple .. And now he can't fathom g2 are beating ass for now for all team including navi..
faze should absolutely be f-
Nah, Faze lost to good teams. Not saying that isn't like a low C or possibly a D, but it's not a complete failure from the team. The trends for the team are worrying, but we'll see what happens with either the grand slam or major.
@@pellevastano Losing to G2 is fine but losing to liquid is unacceptable for the caliber of team faze is. Same can be said for vitality but in vitality's case, it's apex who lost them the game; in faze's case, it's a systematic problem. Their map pool is garbage: their overpass is basically free for taking by any team; their good maps, inferno and nuke, are no longer world-class; they always second ban anuibis for some reason and they aren't that good on ancient as well; they constantly float mirage as the decider and constantly losing. Their discipline is also absolutely horrible in the game against liquid with players constantly overpeeking and giving back men advantages. Their strat basically relies on osee missing easy shots. For these reasons, faze absolutely deserve an f grade for their Katowice performance.
Electronic should be back to his full firepower position.. F navi system or that someone who things this is a good move.. PUt back electronic to its rightful position being a top 2 rifler behind niko.. i dont care axile or anyone , it is electronic who is the 2nd hand man of GOAT, 2nd best rifler behind niko..
True. Is npl shit? He is but shouldnt blame him at all since hes a rookie with no experience at all. Drop him and get a real igl. Elec is having same issue as niko used to have. Also,s0mple needs to take a break definitely. My guy is getting toxic and tilted a lot again
fucking this, im tired of hearing how smart blade is, he might be but the whole navi situation is on him.
As bad as boombl4 been, you have to agree that he did his job well as an igl.
@@nasht7818 im no Genius but i think his country is getting bombed ion kno tho 😹
@@iridiumman3087 bro he got divorced by a war supporting wife and he got removed like what?
23:30 Olga is a man