How Does the New Ram HD with 10000 lb-ft of torque tow when loaded with a maximum of 35,000 pounds? Find out here: th-cam.com/video/qsoltDWYNqU/w-d-xo.html
Hey, they say if you don’t have to look back at your truck as you walk away, you bought the wrong truck! I still love my 2008 Dodge Ram 1500, even after 325,000 miles!
@@deereman8237 with those many miles on your ram have you had to replace a lot of parts and how has the durability been like air conditioning and transmission?
If you don't look back at it you bought the wrong vehicle. Coming from a fellow owner, I honk mine like 3x and look back it make sure its there even if its there.
Had a 77 Dodge Power Wagon in high school. Used to find the biggest drifts I could find in the winter and would plow through them. Went through 4 foot deep drifts easily. Got in trouble by dad once because I packed the whole engine compartment full of snow from going through drifts, lol. Anyway, loved that thing, even if it was a bit rusty.
Forty some years ago I rode around a lot in a friend's '75 Dodge three-quarter ton with one-ton springs. We spilled a lot of beer on ourselves in that pickup.
To TFL Truck: You have a good group of reviewers on your team. Each individual has a unique appeal and view on the products. I especially like the HD truck reviews by Andre and Mr. Truck. Good job and Thanks!
I really like the towing capacity honestly I love i think that 10- 11 thousand lbs suits this truck because its got more off road capability than the other trim models it’s truly a awesome truck and ram makes the best in the business
The only place where FCA lags: engine options. The competition is getting tough, and the PW (RAM Rebel) really needs and engine option to distinguish itself from the rest of it's more pedestrian siblings, and to stay current. I say bring over the 6.2: V-8 Hellcat engine and spread the joy around. Even a slightly detuned version would declare the PW undisputed king of the hill, and turn the competition green with envy. I say 2020 would be a very good year.
@@pryme2013 Heavy Duty trucks are just tuned that way. It's best in class. Also, they of course do make a 6.4L V8 that easily makes far more power and torque in other applications like the Durango and Grand Cherokee where it makes 475/475 HP/TQ and in Chargers and Challengers they make 485/475 HP/TQ.
Justin Davison because they’re more reliable? Simpler, less expensive, and cheaper to repair? That’s my reason, at least. Dodge is known for having junk electronics. The more manual/mechanical stuff, the better.
@@tylerjackson4168 Most people don't like the lever 4x4 shifting. When I sold my ford many comments where on the lever 4x4. Why would Ram go modern with a dial transmission shifting? But fail to put a dial 4x4?
@@tylerjackson4168 You got so much tech on the ram even more than ford. Not even Toyota does that on the Tundra. Which is the oldest tech in ALL trucks
Sevn Light yeah I guess it really depends on the person. For the money you’re paying I would expect a button though. But, I still like the old school lever.
@@jakelamb39 Seems like a step back. Not even Toyota does that on the Tundra. I think it sort of defeats the purpose of having a transmission dial going modern
@@repairvehicle Then they should have gone with a lever to shift into drive if they were aiming for reliability and not modern tech. You actually shift more than use the 4x4
Great looking truck. Solid video. I think the the new winch and the 14.2 inch ground clearance are great too. My biggest negative thought is the removal of the column shifter - this element is still the price of admission in the big-boy truck club.
Man, floor transfer case but knob shifter. I have no clue what the designers were thinking. Let's take it back here, but new school the shifter! Brilliant Karl!
Wow I am impressed . This truck would absolutely crush my wimpy weekend warrior applications! Nice display Boys ! Well done as usual . Yeah ... "Power Wagon don't care !"
i was just reading the Power wagon is made in Warren Michigan and back in 1967 there was an optional 383 big block which surprised me...i never saw one that old that didnt have the crappy slant six and they had a 3000 pound payload
On my second PW, a Red ‘17, after selling my ‘14 to upgrade. They have both been bulletproof. Except for a couple recalls they have been very reliable. On stock tires the rear pumpkin hangs very low so you have to be careful offroad. Still love the manual t-case lever. But I’m struggling with a turn dial to shift. Going to take a while to accept that change.
I have a 2018 Power Wagon, most wonderful vehicle I will ever own. Took it East and West Coasts and back to Texas, its a mean machine of legendary pedigree. I'm all but away from my PW because of my Navy commitment but after going to my permanent detachment I'm going to bring with me my truck cause damn that HEMI V-8 is always an orchestra when you fire it up every morning.
I have a 2016 pw. Just changed the oil, coolant flush and repaired my winch cable (after recovering 3 jeeps from shit ton of snow last week-great photo), After reading all this commentary I'ma gonna go drive that wagon on a saturday afternoon. Slightly mod'd shes a screamin beast. Hope you get your '18 back soon - damn good lookin truck. Thanks for what you do, brother, so many others can go burn fossil fuel on a Saturday afternoon.
@@brett9736 I've gone to 2 Ram 2500s the last being a PW also. Driven them and enjoyed the hell out of it in my own way. I haven't brought mine to Moab which was the ultimate goal before I joined the service oh maybe when I get a chance, as of now my 18 is stored and babied I did the oil changes and replaced the air intake myself just the basic stuff. she sits on 35s but will get 37s later on. It just bugs me why they have to go with rotary knob shifter on the 19 when the column shifter could've been paired with the 8-speed.
Great vid. I’d love to see an actual head to head off-road review comparing this truck and the Raptor. Maybe not high speed stuff like the Raptor loves, but just heads up off-roading like this. Thanks.
J name Yep. Sort of apples and oranges. Also, however, these are the two big off-road trucks on the market besides the midsize trucks. Power wagon is super at slow crawling and articulation situations. Raptor is good at a very large spectrum of off-roading. Would be a very interesting video. I’d love to see them put side by side on some extreme steep terrain testing traction and also some real articulation tests as well as some mud and water tests.
I have both (2 year old) and yes you are talking about two different trucks completely. IMO - for paved streets, sand, off road high speed driving and just everyday driving the Gen 2 Raptor wins. For towing, mudding, work, low speed, bad gravel roads, hauling and low speed technical trails the Power wagon rules plus it costs much less and is more ready to use right off the showroom floor. I love them both but for different reasons.
At 14 minutes you finally figured out the park sense was beeping?? What is worse is this BAD ASS truck was on a closed course. UNREAL ITS A POWER WAGON!!! USE IT!!!
Man that's why I love this channel and you guys.CRAZY reviews on TRUCKS and Steve you are one crazy driver that's why I love you so much ....Pleeeze keep up that amazing work you guys are bringing to us !!!! 👍😎👌
It locks (front and rear) up much faster if you do a slow turn while trying to engage the differential locks. Sometimes cogs aren’t 100% lined up and a small turn below 2mph or large circle helps lock them up quick.
1100 lb payload on a HD truck is lame,put 4 of TFL trucks,big guys and you don't have to worry about what you can tow,may as well call this a half ton with a HD frame but it does look cool and is good off road.
It’s also an off road truck with a gas engine. Not meant to be that much of a work horse but it’s meant to have a fun aspect too. If you need a work truck I wouldn’t recommend a power wagon, but it’s good for fun.
They designed the suspension to articulate well off road and they lifted it. If you want those features you're going to sacrifice payload/towing. If payload and towing are most important you will give up some offroad performance.
I haven't seen as much hate recently, but speaking rotary gear selector- I hated them too... right up until I started driving front end loaders and backhoes. I never realized, this "technology " has been tested on heavy equipment for many years and proven quite reliable.
And what does the power wagon have. Besides a front locker, a sway bar disconnect and factory winch. The 6.2 has more power, 10 speed, lift kit and a shitload of cameras. Oh and apparently according to this video more payload and equal towing to a "heavy duty" power wagon
I'm currently dealing on a delmonico red 19 power wagon pretty much loaded up with everything but the sun roof great looking truck drives awesome love it !!!!
I understand this is an off road vehicle first, but you guys mentioned 1100 lb payload capacity which makes the truck almost useless for many towing applications. Say you want to take your family camping and you’ve got your wife and two kids with you and that’ll take up say 700 lbs leaving you with just 400 lbs leftover for tongue weight of your trailer and camping gear. Or even worse is if you and your family want to simply put an ATV in the bed of the truck and go have fun at an ATV park you’re possibly over payload capacity!
Well, it's not supposed to be a do-everything, no sacrifice vehicle, it's primary an off-road vehicle that gives up capacity for its off-road abilities. Still, you at least can do some towing and hauling with it, and you at least have options for lighter, lower spec and higher capacities.
My guess is someone is confusing "cargo capacity" with "payload capacity". They are different. Cargo capacity is the rating of well, cargo. The calculus takes into account the following: 150lb person in each of the available seats. Say a ruck has 6 seats x 150 lbs each. That is 900 lbs. Those 900 lbs are deducted from the payload capacity and leaves a cargo capacity {what you can put in the bed) of 1,100 lbs. Otherwise, six big dudes would exceed the weight this truck could carry. If I am wrong and the payload is less than a Ridgeline or minivan then Fiat needs to go back to the drawing board ;-)
@@jamesvelvet3612 You might be surprised. The standard payload of the previous model was only slightly less at around 1,450lbs. If you add in features, it's only less than that. I don't see why the new one would be much better.
Always been a Ford or Chevy truck customer. Seriously thinking about buying my first Dodge truck. Wow Dodge has came a long way! I love the looks of it. Only thing about this video that surprises me is the fact they could find any water in California to drive in.
I'm having a hard time understanding how it has 14.3 inches of clearance with 33 inch tires and solid axles. They are saying the diff pumpkin only is 2.5 inches lower than the wheel centerline? And if so...how? Also I love that this has less payload than a Tacoma TRD pro.
@@MrGreatness412 my guess is the springs that get you high ramps scores also take away a lot of payload. the axles, brakes, frame etc is the same so if you swapped suspension or got a tradesman with the power wagon package I suspect you get a lot of it back. Something else to consider is that the power wagon has a unique radius arm up front that flexes more than the standard suspension but offers a lot less lateral stiffness. That combined with the softer springs and the higher CG probably combine against it.
She’s a beautiful Beast, ironically I was watching a video 5hrs ago with a PowerWagon playing in the Montana snow with a old Wagoneer & newer JL.... love your review. Nathan is probably snuggling the Suzuki on a couch watching 3 stooges dvds to avoid watching this one.
Daniel C bruh it’s an off-roader, and it has a 2inch lift the truck isn’t meant for towing the power wagon is meant for rock crawling and grocery shopping
Ya, I am just baffled as to why FCA didn't just put air bags on the back along with the factory coils. Then the truck does everything. I added bags on my 16 PW and it does everything a regular 3/4 does. Only cost me 300 for the bags, put em on myself, and they made it a beast and it did nothing to my flex. I regularly play hard off-road and then go put 14,000 lbs on the ball when I grab the trailer and excavator and go make those green stamps. Have to make all that money so I can pay in my account down at the gas station owner's place. Lol
if there is one thing i dont like about modern off-roaders, its the amount of buttons and dials you have to go through just to be capable off road. i miss the good ole days of being in 2 wheel drive until you have that little heart attack when your almost stuck, and then shifting into 4 wheel drive
As always nice video guys! But come on! An off road test on terrain that you could've done with any standard two wheel drive pick up? A paved hill and a water crossing that was pretty much a big puddle with hard pack bottom?? Needless to say the truck still looks awesome! Would just like to see it on some serious dirt slingin low traction areas so we can really see how the lockers and sway bar disconnect works as well as see the winch in action. Thanks for all you guys do! Great info!
Canadian in Cali! Lol. Sweet review and nice truck! They have this in Gorman?! Awesome. Gotta check it out now. I know they have some good dirtbike trails in Hungry Valley.
That's how they sit on the solid axle rams kind of odd. But a company makes a lvl/lift kit that come with perches and bigger coils that make the coils sit straight.
Ya the radius arm trucks have a really sketchy looking coil from the factory. They do stay in there even with a bit longer than factory shocks but they don’t exactly look great.
HyperXism there’s always an embargo on releasing driving impressions when the media first gets to test a vehicle. Many choose to just not post any article or video until they can completely talk about the vehicle.
@Jim Bond Yea, I'm an old guy now, but when I was young and drinking, hell we pushed everything to max. 35 years later, I still have my leg bleed from where the my motorcycle fell on me and the tail pipe burned threw my shin and I was riding over bolders in a dry river bed after a 1/5 of JD, not to smart, but it was fun. We never had anyone get out to spot, what's that all about.
@Jim Bond not everybody who gets an off-road truck gets it for fun... some people just need to get to places or work in places harder to reach. They don't want "fun to drive" for everyday commute/work- they want easy and relaxed.
@Jim Bond I used it on my 2018 Power Wagon, I mean I have it so why the hell would I not use it right? That said I also am on the old school side of things so when I play my truck I'd just lock the diffs and go real easy on the brakes going a trail.
Nice looking truck, I think it's great! But I would still take a Raptor over it. Great idea adding the winch, but as an option, I'm sure you'll pay for it in the pricing. But definitely a awesome truck.
Some people do this with a brand new truck and put it 4wd low and floor it and blow something up and blame it on the brand nice to see a review where the one driving knows what he is doing and not being a dummy
How did Steve film his great off-road videos in Canada without Roman telling him what talk about?🤦🏻♂️ And that concrete all locked up crawl could be done in 2wd- it’s concrete! Hate the rotary minivan shift knob, other than that it has a nice interior
I agree. I prefer the column shifter. I don't really like the shifters in the center console like in cars. One advantage to the knob would be it doesn't take up a lot of room but still not a fan.
I perfer column shifter! So much easier to get in a lower gear to slow down heavy trailers or go down icy hills in the winter. No looking for a gear shift button or anything like that! I also like the fact that the column shifters are directly connected to the transmission in the Ram trucks!
I don’t like how the new tow mirrors have that big lip when you fold them out. It’s smoother on the 4th gens. Still love the way RAM does tow mirrors more than GM and Ford and that’s comin from a Chevy guy
I’ve had 3,000 lbs in the bed of my 2008 Dodge Ram 1500 and it handled it fine! Only rated for like 1,250 payload though... oh well, warranty is long expired anyway!
Someone needs to explain why companies impose embargos on how vehicles drive. Is it because it's still a work in progress or that they think customers will make a mass exodus to the nearest competitor if it doesn't drive well?
Always nice to watch an off road video, whoever does the camera work needs to zoom out a little. I see this a lot in your videos and I think zooming out would give us a better sense of what the vehicle does on the rocks...
Manley Williams because they didn’t turn the sensors off. They even say the water/ mud is setting them off. I recently had a lot of problems with snow sticking to mine and setting them off lately.
Drew w same here with snow & ice making them sound. Fortunately after a few seconds they disable themselves automatically. Same with towing, the rear sensors disable after a few seconds. They can be manually disabled/enabled by a push button on the center stack. Front & rear buttons to allow control over each.
1100lbs payload is less that a honda ridgeline, and it tows less than a 1500...this is weird lol. Still love the power wagon for offroading, but those numbers are really weak.
That's just what FCA advertises. I put air bags in my 16 PW and pull 14,000 on the ball ( 16' dump trailer and 4 ton excavator with multiple buckets) almost daily. The bags don't hinder flex and they weren't expensive either, see I consider it a win win. Other than the crappy gas mileage, it's a beast that does everything I want it to.
@@bobvincent4841 that means you are exceeding the vehicle rating. It is rated to tow what it can based on the stopping performance, not it's ability to get a load moving. Maybe you aren't to far over the tow capacity to be considered dangerous, but you still shouldn't.
@@lonespartan31289 but similar(non Power Wagon) Ram 2500s are rated to tow much more. I've read that it is because of the liability of lockers, low range, disconnects, and a heavy load. Never underestimate the ability of the general public to do something really stupid and blame the manufacturer.
It’s actually a completely different engine than the SRT. Different camshaft, intake manifold, and cylinder heads (Eagle on PW vs. Apache on SRT). HP = torque x rpm / 5252. On an off road truck, it makes no sense to build the peak torque at 4,500+ rpm (like a max effort g3 Hemi). Low lift and mild duration cam + eagle heads give it a relatively low torque peak and more power in the rpms the truck will be used when off road. Btw I have a 15’ PW.
How Does the New Ram HD with 10000 lb-ft of torque tow when loaded with a maximum of 35,000 pounds? Find out here: th-cam.com/video/qsoltDWYNqU/w-d-xo.html
The Fast Lane Truck 10000lb-ft......must be the HO Cummins
Ten Thousand lb-ft of Torque! Sweet!
That's exactly 9390 more torques than my old Ram with the 5.9 Cummins!
Come on guys....
0:18 What is this embargo thing?
I've had my 17 PW for almost a year now. I still turn back to look at it after parking and whisper "I love you"
owner of the gas staion says the same thing when he see u in that truck
😂
Hey, they say if you don’t have to look back at your truck as you walk away, you bought the wrong truck! I still love my 2008 Dodge Ram 1500, even after 325,000 miles!
@@deereman8237 with those many miles on your ram have you had to replace a lot of parts and how has the durability been like air conditioning and transmission?
If you don't look back at it you bought the wrong vehicle. Coming from a fellow owner, I honk mine like 3x and look back it make sure its there even if its there.
Steve is the best person to talk on these TFL videos. He always sounds like he actually knows what he’s talking about.
Had a 77 Dodge Power Wagon in high school. Used to find the biggest drifts I could find in the winter and would plow through them. Went through 4 foot deep drifts easily. Got in trouble by dad once because I packed the whole engine compartment full of snow from going through drifts, lol. Anyway, loved that thing, even if it was a bit rusty.
Forty some years ago I rode around a lot in a friend's '75 Dodge three-quarter ton with one-ton springs. We spilled a lot of beer on ourselves in that pickup.
̇George H. Lol 😂👍
Steven, you're an awesome addition to the TFL crew, sir! Your videos never disappoint.
Metalbass79 it’s that Canadian touch 😏 🇨🇦
Steve got me back on TFL
To TFL Truck: You have a good group of reviewers on your team. Each individual has a unique appeal and view on the products. I especially like the HD truck reviews by Andre and Mr. Truck. Good job and Thanks!
Can’t wait for Steve to put the power wagon through his course up in Canada!
Canada, I got all the Wagon footage you need.
I really like the towing capacity honestly I love i think that 10- 11 thousand lbs suits this truck because its got more off road capability than the other trim models it’s truly a awesome truck and ram makes the best in the business
Oh my man, do I got videos for you
Steve is the real deal. All entertainment and no pretentiousness.
*GUTS GLORY RAM*
IMO they should make a "High-Output" version of the 6.4L Hemi specifically for the Power Wagon.
Yeah kinda funny it only has like 20hp and 28tq moee than Tundras 12yr old 5.7. AND it has over half a liter more displacement lol. Come on fiat
yea true but at least it has the 8 speed now. Should really wake the 2500 gas Rams up. The previous 6 speed had poor gearing.
The only place where FCA lags: engine options. The competition is getting tough, and the PW (RAM Rebel) really needs and engine option to distinguish itself from the rest of it's more pedestrian siblings, and to stay current. I say bring over the 6.2: V-8 Hellcat engine and spread the joy around. Even a slightly detuned version would declare the PW undisputed king of the hill, and turn the competition green with envy. I say 2020 would be a very good year.
@@pryme2013 Heavy Duty trucks are just tuned that way. It's best in class. Also, they of course do make a 6.4L V8 that easily makes far more power and torque in other applications like the Durango and Grand Cherokee where it makes 475/475 HP/TQ and in Chargers and Challengers they make 485/475 HP/TQ.
@@pryme2013 Also, it makes 29 more hp than the Tundra's 5.7. lol
A manual transfer case!!! Miss those days!!!
You're the only one.
@@krane15 nope
@@krane15 I love them and will only buy trucks with them.
@@TheKillerMarine why?
Justin Davison because they’re more reliable? Simpler, less expensive, and cheaper to repair? That’s my reason, at least. Dodge is known for having junk electronics. The more manual/mechanical stuff, the better.
"Power wagon don't care!"
What a disappointment that it has a lever to shift into 4x4. I didn't expect that on the Ram that's loaded with tech
@@sevnlight6313... I prefer manual shift on anything 4x4. I like to "feel" it shift.
bad grammar
@@tylerjackson4168 Most people don't like the lever 4x4 shifting. When I sold my ford many comments where on the lever 4x4. Why would Ram go modern with a dial transmission shifting? But fail to put a dial 4x4?
@@tylerjackson4168 You got so much tech on the ram even more than ford. Not even Toyota does that on the Tundra. Which is the oldest tech in ALL trucks
We want Power Wagon Don’t Care stickers.
jrhunt414 would be great on the back of my 76 w200 440 4 speed ‘wagon
6.4 engine is definitely powerful and worth considering.
That manual 4x4 lever tho. Damn just when you thought they nailed the best tech truck ever..
Sevn Light yeah I guess it really depends on the person. For the money you’re paying I would expect a button though. But, I still like the old school lever.
manual is the best, it will never fail. Its called long term reliability. Electronics fail, just like your smart phone.
@@jakelamb39 Seems like a step back. Not even Toyota does that on the Tundra. I think it sort of defeats the purpose of having a transmission dial going modern
@@repairvehicle Then they should have gone with a lever to shift into drive if they were aiming for reliability and not modern tech. You actually shift more than use the 4x4
You know you're early when the highest resolution available is 360p
A good looking truck. Great content as usual guys
A Power Wagon video that doesn't have Nathan host? Well, Steve's a great stunt double I guess.
Droog II thank god The annoyance of Nathan isn’t in this video
Power Wagon Don' Care!
@@chevyon37s Thinking Steve has forgotten more about off-roading the Nathen has ever learnt. :)
Nathans grin would have violated the embargo.
Negative Nathan
Steve needs to take it to his property
The flow of this video was great!you guys are definitely getting better at reviewing!
Great looking truck. Solid video. I think the the new winch and the 14.2 inch ground clearance are great too. My biggest negative thought is the removal of the column shifter - this element is still the price of admission in the big-boy truck club.
Man, floor transfer case but knob shifter. I have no clue what the designers were thinking. Let's take it back here, but new school the shifter! Brilliant Karl!
Wow I am impressed . This truck would absolutely crush my wimpy weekend warrior applications! Nice display Boys ! Well done as usual . Yeah ... "Power Wagon don't care !"
i was just reading the Power wagon is made in Warren Michigan and back in 1967 there was an optional 383 big block which surprised me...i never saw one that old that didnt have the crappy slant six and they had a 3000 pound payload
stickloaf that “crapy” slant is one of the best mule engines ever created.
"Crappy slant six". First time I have heard that...
On my second PW, a Red ‘17, after selling my ‘14 to upgrade. They have both been bulletproof. Except for a couple recalls they have been very reliable. On stock tires the rear pumpkin hangs very low so you have to be careful offroad. Still love the manual t-case lever. But I’m struggling with a turn dial to shift. Going to take a while to accept that change.
I used my eyes and seen it’s a beast
Love love love the new screen! Really the entire interior!
I think a power wagon review should ALWAYS feature Nathan. #PowerWagonDontCare
His Grin would have been an embargo violation.
Nathan! This might be a prototype, Nathan has two speeds Stopped and Foot to the Floor!
Waa àlnu
I have a 2018 Power Wagon, most wonderful vehicle I will ever own. Took it East and West Coasts and back to Texas, its a mean machine of legendary pedigree. I'm all but away from my PW because of my Navy commitment but after going to my permanent detachment I'm going to bring with me my truck cause damn that HEMI V-8 is always an orchestra when you fire it up every morning.
I have a 2016 pw. Just changed the oil, coolant flush and repaired my winch cable (after recovering 3 jeeps from shit ton of snow last week-great photo), After reading all this commentary I'ma gonna go drive that wagon on a saturday afternoon.
Slightly mod'd shes a screamin beast. Hope you get your '18 back soon - damn good lookin truck.
Thanks for what you do, brother, so many others can go burn fossil fuel on a Saturday afternoon.
@@brett9736 I've gone to 2 Ram 2500s the last being a PW also. Driven them and enjoyed the hell out of it in my own way. I haven't brought mine to Moab which was the ultimate goal before I joined the service oh maybe when I get a chance, as of now my 18 is stored and babied I did the oil changes and replaced the air intake myself just the basic stuff. she sits on 35s but will get 37s later on. It just bugs me why they have to go with rotary knob shifter on the 19 when the column shifter could've been paired with the 8-speed.
Great vid. I’d love to see an actual head to head off-road review comparing this truck and the Raptor. Maybe not high speed stuff like the Raptor loves, but just heads up off-roading like this. Thanks.
J name Yep. Sort of apples and oranges. Also, however, these are the two big off-road trucks on the market besides the midsize trucks.
Power wagon is super at slow crawling and articulation situations. Raptor is good at a very large spectrum of off-roading.
Would be a very interesting video. I’d love to see them put side by side on some extreme steep terrain testing traction and also some real articulation tests as well as some mud and water tests.
They did do one with a Tacoma trd pro, raptor and power wagon
@J name Seeing the two may also help someone decide which truck is better for their purposes.
I have both (2 year old) and yes you are talking about two different trucks completely.
IMO - for paved streets, sand, off road high speed driving and just everyday driving the Gen 2 Raptor wins.
For towing, mudding, work, low speed, bad gravel roads, hauling and low speed technical trails the Power wagon rules plus it costs much less and is more ready to use right off the showroom floor.
I love them both but for different reasons.
Cant believe you watch this quality a show on youtube. Superb.
Nathan is the only one that should give a review on this power wagon....
At 14 minutes you finally figured out the park sense was beeping?? What is worse is this BAD ASS truck was on a closed course. UNREAL ITS A POWER WAGON!!! USE IT!!!
The 6.4 sounds very good
Man that's why I love this channel and you guys.CRAZY reviews on TRUCKS and Steve you are one crazy driver that's why I love you so much ....Pleeeze keep up that amazing work you guys are bringing to us !!!! 👍😎👌
I'll take one in gray.
That would be legit, this really has me wanting a PW, might have to trade my Rebel in, guess I will wait to see if they make the TRX
Tyler Murphy with a black bottom .
@@jamesweinzierl7399 Two tone Malone is the way to go
Make mine Red!
I haven't watched the channel in a couple months but I have to say Steve is a great addition to your crew.
3:56 "its a little tricky going up these rocks here." *Drives over pebbles* 🤦♂️
right... that 2wd climb
It locks (front and rear) up much faster if you do a slow turn while trying to engage the differential locks. Sometimes cogs aren’t 100% lined up and a small turn below 2mph or large circle helps lock them up quick.
1100 lb payload on a HD truck is lame,put 4 of TFL trucks,big guys and you don't have to worry about what you can tow,may as well call this a half ton with a HD frame but it does look cool and is good off road.
Couldn’t agree more. 1100lbs payload on a 3/4 ton is a joke. I’m pretty sure the Honda Ridgeline has a higher payload.
and only 9900lb towing
It’s also an off road truck with a gas engine. Not meant to be that much of a work horse but it’s meant to have a fun aspect too. If you need a work truck I wouldn’t recommend a power wagon, but it’s good for fun.
1100 lbs that is absolutely pitiful. There are sedans that can haul that much payload.
They designed the suspension to articulate well off road and they lifted it. If you want those features you're going to sacrifice payload/towing. If payload and towing are most important you will give up some offroad performance.
I haven't seen as much hate recently, but speaking rotary gear selector- I hated them too... right up until I started driving front end loaders and backhoes. I never realized, this "technology " has been tested on heavy equipment for many years and proven quite reliable.
dude ram picked up there game with em interiors and exteriors...lookin good
I love the way the new power wagons look... wish i could afford one
This has FEATURES the At4 should have instead of just being an appearance package I wish Gm would step there game up
Gm is shit so
Modern GM products suck!
And what does the power wagon have. Besides a front locker, a sway bar disconnect and factory winch. The 6.2 has more power, 10 speed, lift kit and a shitload of cameras. Oh and apparently according to this video more payload and equal towing to a "heavy duty" power wagon
They couldn't even put a front locker in the AT4. Skipped some important details
Watched a tfl video about the at4 the spokesperson said they wanted it to appear off road
I'm currently dealing on a delmonico red 19 power wagon pretty much loaded up with everything but the sun roof great looking truck drives awesome love it !!!!
If you take a shot everytime he says, "I can't talk about the performance but you can see and be the judge." you'll be highly intoxicated.
Best factory offroader period! Not just heavy duty
Ever notice how truck videos bring out all the a-holes?
The Power Wagon is the final frontier when it comes to trucks!
I understand this is an off road vehicle first, but you guys mentioned 1100 lb payload capacity which makes the truck almost useless for many towing applications. Say you want to take your family camping and you’ve got your wife and two kids with you and that’ll take up say 700 lbs leaving you with just 400 lbs leftover for tongue weight of your trailer and camping gear. Or even worse is if you and your family want to simply put an ATV in the bed of the truck and go have fun at an ATV park you’re possibly over payload capacity!
Well, it's not supposed to be a do-everything, no sacrifice vehicle, it's primary an off-road vehicle that gives up capacity for its off-road abilities. Still, you at least can do some towing and hauling with it, and you at least have options for lighter, lower spec and higher capacities.
My guess is someone is confusing "cargo capacity" with "payload capacity". They are different. Cargo capacity is the rating of well, cargo. The calculus takes into account the following: 150lb person in each of the available seats. Say a ruck has 6 seats x 150 lbs each. That is 900 lbs. Those 900 lbs are deducted from the payload capacity and leaves a cargo capacity {what you can put in the bed) of 1,100 lbs. Otherwise, six big dudes would exceed the weight this truck could carry. If I am wrong and the payload is less than a Ridgeline or minivan then Fiat needs to go back to the drawing board ;-)
@@jamesvelvet3612 You might be surprised. The standard payload of the previous model was only slightly less at around 1,450lbs. If you add in features, it's only less than that. I don't see why the new one would be much better.
trucks can always haul more than the manufacturer says.
Luckily Me my wife and two kids dont weigh 700lbs
Always been a Ford or Chevy truck customer. Seriously thinking about buying my first Dodge truck. Wow Dodge has came a long way! I love the looks of it. Only thing about this video that surprises me is the fact they could find any water in California to drive in.
I'm having a hard time understanding how it has 14.3 inches of clearance with 33 inch tires and solid axles. They are saying the diff pumpkin only is 2.5 inches lower than the wheel centerline? And if so...how? Also I love that this has less payload than a Tacoma TRD pro.
A trd pro is not nearly as capable off road
Yeah I'm trying to figure out the 1100lbs part myself.🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@djayt1215 I guess it really depends. if it doesn't fit on the trail it doesn't really matter how capable it is. Different tools for different jobs.
@@MrGreatness412 my guess is the springs that get you high ramps scores also take away a lot of payload. the axles, brakes, frame etc is the same so if you swapped suspension or got a tradesman with the power wagon package I suspect you get a lot of it back. Something else to consider is that the power wagon has a unique radius arm up front that flexes more than the standard suspension but offers a lot less lateral stiffness. That combined with the softer springs and the higher CG probably combine against it.
@@PatrickRich I think your right. Purely an off road tool. That is if you can get it 2 fit.
She’s a beautiful Beast, ironically I was watching a video 5hrs ago with a PowerWagon playing in the Montana snow with a old Wagoneer & newer JL.... love your review.
Nathan is probably snuggling the Suzuki on a couch watching 3 stooges dvds to avoid watching this one.
Wow, front and rear lockers, it must be hard to get stuck
Poweeeeeeer Wagon!!! Great video!
Dodge makes the sexiest trucks.
Man when I go off roading people can’t believe what it can do , best damn truck I ever had ! Power wagon don’t care !!
As lovely as this truck is, I still can’t justify spending 60-70 thousand dollars on a pickup truck.
I did and will again
@@catsaretasty *Marines
I've seen power wagons in the low to mid 50k and during their sales you can get them up to 10k off
...especially if you take said $70K truck off road...
Awesome video guys! Power wagons just don't care, eh! Classic!
Why call it a heavy duty truck when it has the same payload and towing numbers as a half ton?
Daniel C bruh it’s an off-roader, and it has a 2inch lift the truck isn’t meant for towing the power wagon is meant for rock crawling and grocery shopping
Ya, I am just baffled as to why FCA didn't just put air bags on the back along with the factory coils. Then the truck does everything. I added bags on my 16 PW and it does everything a regular 3/4 does. Only cost me 300 for the bags, put em on myself, and they made it a beast and it did nothing to my flex. I regularly play hard off-road and then go put 14,000 lbs on the ball when I grab the trailer and excavator and go make those green stamps. Have to make all that money so I can pay in my account down at the gas station owner's place. Lol
Maybe they call it a heavy-duty because it weighs more than the factory it was built in?
if there is one thing i dont like about modern off-roaders, its the amount of buttons and dials you have to go through just to be capable off road. i miss the good ole days of being in 2 wheel drive until you have that little heart attack when your almost stuck, and then shifting into 4 wheel drive
Would def buy it!!!
As always nice video guys! But come on! An off road test on terrain that you could've done with any standard two wheel drive pick up? A paved hill and a water crossing that was pretty much a big puddle with hard pack bottom?? Needless to say the truck still looks awesome! Would just like to see it on some serious dirt slingin low traction areas so we can really see how the lockers and sway bar disconnect works as well as see the winch in action. Thanks for all you guys do! Great info!
I got you fam.
How is this considered a 2500hd when it tows less than the newer 1500's and titan xd 5/8 ton?
Because it is other than the springs.
It’s meant for rock crawling and grocery shopping not towing a 12k trailer daily up the Rocky Mountains
Canadian in Cali! Lol. Sweet review and nice truck! They have this in Gorman?! Awesome. Gotta check it out now. I know they have some good dirtbike trails in Hungry Valley.
Why is it only the Canadian that does real off road on this channel ? :p
Cause we know off-roading
Thata the nicest looking truck out there. Absolutly beautiful front end with those lights
5:48 are the springs supposed to be bent like that?
I think they had the truck on a rock where it was leaning to the right making it bend over, that's not it on a completely flat surface.
I saw that as was well. Hmmmm 🤐
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That's how they sit on the solid axle rams kind of odd. But a company makes a lvl/lift kit that come with perches and bigger coils that make the coils sit straight.
Ya the radius arm trucks have a really sketchy looking coil from the factory. They do stay in there even with a bit longer than factory shocks but they don’t exactly look great.
I like it better when Steve records with his dad and just himself. I feel like he gets more reckless and that’s what trucks are for
What embargo?
HyperXism there’s always an embargo on releasing driving impressions when the media first gets to test a vehicle. Many choose to just not post any article or video until they can completely talk about the vehicle.
@@joshtavenner3073 Wow! Didn't know this. Thank you for the explanation!
@@joshtavenner3073 been scrolling the comments looking for this, i honestly couldn't tell if he was joking in the beginning haha.
Love the Powerwagon and the new one is great. Best offroad full size truck if you feed don't live in a desert area
I always like your videos, but come on, give it some gas, it's not yours and even if it was mine, I'd power up that hill, rocks or not.
jabojr kind of defeats the purpose of what they were trying to show the new lower crawl/ 4 low ratios.
@Jim Bond Yea, I'm an old guy now, but when I was young and drinking, hell we pushed everything to max. 35 years later, I still have my leg bleed from where the my motorcycle fell on me and the tail pipe burned threw my shin and I was riding over bolders in a dry river bed after a 1/5 of JD, not to smart, but it was fun. We never had anyone get out to spot, what's that all about.
@Jim Bond not everybody who gets an off-road truck gets it for fun... some people just need to get to places or work in places harder to reach. They don't want "fun to drive" for everyday commute/work- they want easy and relaxed.
Jim Bond don’t like the craw control, don’t use it simple as that.
@Jim Bond I used it on my 2018 Power Wagon, I mean I have it so why the hell would I not use it right? That said I also am on the old school side of things so when I play my truck I'd just lock the diffs and go real easy on the brakes going a trail.
First minute of the video i know i would watch to the end. Spirited driving matters.
Snore, disappointed.
Payload is the same as a Tacoma?
Nice looking truck, I think it's great! But I would still take a Raptor over it. Great idea adding the winch, but as an option, I'm sure you'll pay for it in the pricing. But definitely a awesome truck.
Did not see any offroad use just daily ranch drive
...which is normally done with a work truck, not a leather seat equipped, parking-sensor beeping, iPad in the dash truck, LOL....
Some people do this with a brand new truck and put it 4wd low and floor it and blow something up and blame it on the brand nice to see a review where the one driving knows what he is doing and not being a dummy
There you go again with the darn obnoxious music. We need to turn up to hear the voices and then we are blasted with music.
Wow Ram has the best trucks and one good engine sound.
I want Nathan to review this Truck!!
Finally a truck worth having!
How did Steve film his great off-road videos in Canada without Roman telling him what talk about?🤦🏻♂️ And that concrete all locked up crawl could be done in 2wd- it’s concrete! Hate the rotary minivan shift knob, other than that it has a nice interior
You didnt see them get stuck on the rock they edited it out.
3:52
I agree. I prefer the column shifter. I don't really like the shifters in the center console like in cars. One advantage to the knob would be it doesn't take up a lot of room but still not a fan.
Ram haters like you should love the rotary shift knob; so you can play with your own stick shift while driving.
I perfer column shifter! So much easier to get in a lower gear to slow down heavy trailers or go down icy hills in the winter. No looking for a gear shift button or anything like that! I also like the fact that the column shifters are directly connected to the transmission in the Ram trucks!
I don’t like how the new tow mirrors have that big lip when you fold them out. It’s smoother on the 4th gens. Still love the way RAM does tow mirrors more than GM and Ford and that’s comin from a Chevy guy
Nathen, your being replaced by a Canadian eh!😎
TFL needs to sell a t-shirt with “Go for it dude!” - Roman.
Didn’t know they were putting the 6.4 in the 1500. Where does this sit between the 1500 and 2500.
Power Wagon is a 2500
It's a 2500 8 lug... it's a HD truck!
This truck is not just a truck, it's an extension of manhood.
Great truck for off road but terrible payload.
So is a Raptor. It is the whole point of both trucks...
Well yes...if you needed a truck for payload you would option for payload...not for the ability to rocl crawl
I’ve had 3,000 lbs in the bed of my 2008 Dodge Ram 1500 and it handled it fine! Only rated for like 1,250 payload though... oh well, warranty is long expired anyway!
steve is awesome and a true truck and off highway vehicle guy
Sorry Guys....But Power Wagon reviews need Nathan!
tedll75
Done with Negative Nathan
Someone needs to explain why companies impose embargos on how vehicles drive. Is it because it's still a work in progress or that they think customers will make a mass exodus to the nearest competitor if it doesn't drive well?
26 inches of departure angle. Are you imperial guys messing up even more the measurement system?
ErnestoRivera86, yup... I noticed that too, “26inches of departure angle”, really???
Always nice to watch an off road video, whoever does the camera work needs to zoom out a little. I see this a lot in your videos and I think zooming out would give us a better sense of what the vehicle does on the rocks...
If the power wagon don’t care then why was that truck beeping during the entire video. Sounds annoying.
Manley Williams because they didn’t turn the sensors off. They even say the water/ mud is setting them off. I recently had a lot of problems with snow sticking to mine and setting them off lately.
Drew w same here with snow & ice making them sound. Fortunately after a few seconds they disable themselves automatically. Same with towing, the rear sensors disable after a few seconds. They can be manually disabled/enabled by a push button on the center stack. Front & rear buttons to allow control over each.
Because the power wagon don't care that you're annoyed
When I win the lottery, Im buying this exact truck! Its so badass!
I drive a Power Wagon for the fuel economy and legendary FCA quality and reliability.
PolishJoe1000 >>> am I the only one that got your joke? ;-)
@@tactickleshtooper1753 It's a shame, too. They've had a lot of likeable products over the decades. Just don't hold up well.
Awesome looking truck.
1100lbs payload is less that a honda ridgeline, and it tows less than a 1500...this is weird lol. Still love the power wagon for offroading, but those numbers are really weak.
That's just what FCA advertises. I put air bags in my 16 PW and pull 14,000 on the ball ( 16' dump trailer and 4 ton excavator with multiple buckets) almost daily. The bags don't hinder flex and they weren't expensive either, see I consider it a win win. Other than the crappy gas mileage, it's a beast that does everything I want it to.
@@bobvincent4841 that means you are exceeding the vehicle rating. It is rated to tow what it can based on the stopping performance, not it's ability to get a load moving. Maybe you aren't to far over the tow capacity to be considered dangerous, but you still shouldn't.
@@lonespartan31289 but similar(non Power Wagon) Ram 2500s are rated to tow much more. I've read that it is because of the liability of lockers, low range, disconnects, and a heavy load. Never underestimate the ability of the general public to do something really stupid and blame the manufacturer.
Steve is awesome in front of the camera, among my favourites on TH-cam along with Andre.
I am still upset the detune that motor so much for the trucks. A SRT 392 is 485HP
ShaunO toque. Hp is second when considering a truck. Not hard to get it back up to those srt numbers anyways
Not the same engine this is totally different built from the ground up for towing and low end torque
It’s actually a completely different engine than the SRT. Different camshaft, intake manifold, and cylinder heads (Eagle on PW vs. Apache on SRT). HP = torque x rpm / 5252. On an off road truck, it makes no sense to build the peak torque at 4,500+ rpm (like a max effort g3 Hemi). Low lift and mild duration cam + eagle heads give it a relatively low torque peak and more power in the rpms the truck will be used when off road. Btw I have a 15’ PW.
Get a handheld tuner plug er in and you're all set
I can’t afford a brand new power wagon but I watched this video so I can know about it when I buy it used 🤙🏽