At the risk of sounding like the cranky old head i am , i have to say the old school was far more articulate than than these tattoo faced pill dope fiends that pass for rappers today.
I will be cranky along with you. I will take it a step further and say that young people in general presented themselves in a much more intelligent manner at that time.
@@TheFoundationhiphop I watched "Uncorked" on Netflix with the closed caption on. The lyrics of the music from the rappers rapping were CC'd. It was Charles Barkley "turrible". I'm waiting for one of these cats to come out with a record where they're rapping the actual ABC song and it's a hit. A, B, C (808 hi-hat) C, D, E (808 hi-hat) E, F, G *skrut* (808 hi-hat)
I think it was because they were fighting for respect. Throughout the 80s, rap was considered a fad. Black radio and r&b artists, save for a select few, wanted nothing to do with rap. They received so much resistance. "It's not music" and so on.
DON CORNELIUS (Bless his heart and Rest his soul) was from a DIFFERENT ERA. He looks TOTALLY LOST in most of these interviews. ... It was a real struggle for him to adjust to the new music fads... IT'S A VERY INTERESTING DYNAMIC. Thanks for this compilation, Jay!
I loovveeddd watching this! 🙌🏾 It's so sad that this Black art form has gotten so far away from us. I pray that we reclaim it and bring it back to its roots. 🙏🏾
Much to his dismay, Cornelius had to acknowledge what was happening. Look at his demeanor and dress when talking to Hank in 1980. Look as his demeanor and dress talking to Moe in 1987. Deep down we knew Cornelius hated the genre and wished it would go away, but in the end it took Black music over and there was nothing Cornelius could do. By 1990 Cornelius could not even say Fu Schinckens (i remember the episode) or any of the hip hop groups or terminology without a condencsing voice, and he lost his role as announcer as the Tsunami crushed him and any holdouts of the old school black music. Cornelius thought it was a fad, then a sub genre, then had to retire\pass the mic once it overtook Black music. It's interesting to watch Jayquans vid as you see the demise of a once great foundation of black music succumb to a new wave that destroyed him. What's frightening is the look alot of the performers gave old Don, it's like they knew ... we're gonna destroy you and your role as gatekeeper to Black music. Whether you see this as a positive or negative is not relevant. It happened in 10 short years.
Thank you for peeping that. I was never mad at Don for not "getting" Hip Hop. Many from his generation didn't, and that made it more attractive to us. Peep Maurice White's autobiography. He talks about why Don left the show and how Don felt about the music and it's effect on black pop culture. Stay safe.
@@TheFoundationhiphop Exactly, Don was 35 when soul train started in 1971 so was natural for him not to understand. U can definitely hear the condescending tone in his voice especially when he was talking to Rakim. Today his demeanor would label him a "cornball brotha" to those who don't understand his legend and how much of a pillar he is to black culture and to music. Im 38 so I didn't get to witness his glory years on soul train. But just last week I was rapping with my mom about videos and how I recently discovered Rick James had music videos. I asked her what's the first video she remembers seeing. She said she was overseas when my aunt called her to tell her about videos and said how they just had Soul Train when she was younger. They would watch it Saturday morning, learn the newest dance move, and go out later to do the dances they learned.lol
I noticed that Rakim didnt smile .. and im sure the rappers were aware that Cornelius wasnt necessarily enamored with them ... word got around, but they had to get this music out and the reaction of the crowd was effusive and undeniable .... what an era of music .... this is one for the collection. History in the making ... i read many of the artists had never traveled out of the country, but whodini went to England to record, and Public Enemy recorded live at the Odeon in UK when they did part of It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold us Back album ...
Hmm... Yeah, I think he was a bit of a jerk with his feelings on Rap Music at the time. Many of the older people were, and I'm talking about the 30 and up crowd. Maybe even mid to upper 20's. It was so new, and you only seen a Band on tour with The Sugarhill Gang and Sequence. So even up in NYC or here in Philly it was interesting to see shows with groups like Confunkshun, Slave, Rick James & The Stone City Band, Bootsy's Rubberband perform and see, feel and become mesmerized by their stage shows and incredible musicianship., then see the rappers come out with just the " Block Party" set-up. 🤔 Still, those who loved the music just went with it if they could move the crowd in the arena. A lot of the Old Heads just didn't get it. They'd talk about it on the subway ride home. The bands who had trained since childhood and learned to play instruments and read music in school and actual music conservatories were not fans of the genre nor wanted to share the stage with them. Bootsy & George and The Mob recognized the real and embraced the new artists and sound, but not many others did at the time. Don did not have to be that way to them in my opinion, but he did so much for Black Music and giving the artist exposure that they weren't going to get on a national level. He provided an abundance of musical entertainment for one hour each Saturday for many years. As far as artist wanting to " Destroy" him., Could you please elaborate on that statement? Soul Train was " His Show." going back to the local network in Chicago before he moved it to Hollywood. I'm not privy to the reasons we stopped seeing him and started seeing " Guest Host." Other than him being sick for some time. I strongly feel, that it's the industry's fault for not allowing the two to co-exist and build up a self contained band over a three to five albums deal. That way we would have had many more youth striving to learn to play an instrument or two, and forming, and joining bands to create new sounds and classic songs like the generations before. It shouldn't have only been Hip Hop. Just my 2 cents. 😉
The Fat Boys were pigeonholed and underrated. They rocked that the crowd in 40 seconds - no beat, no dancers, no chains, no chicks - nothing but a tight routine and crazy energy.
JayQ thank bro for this video. I remember I heard Whodini for the first time with the 12 inch record "The Haunted House Of Rock" at my friend's house. He show me the record with the green record. I was 11 at that time and bought the album the next day. I watch hours to front and back cover sleeve and read the text on the back when I was listen to the album (somebody know where the photo was taken with the graffiti behind them?). Each record on their debut album was a hit (still is). This was in 1983. I am not from the Bronx, but still I Boogie down from the Netherlands 👍
This is dope putting together some of these classic soul Train interviews with some of the rap legends. I was a baby/toddler when some of these interviews took place so to now see them with a fresh pair of eyes, it comes full circle.💯✌🏾✊🏾
I love the video man...i need to fill in the blanks of things that i have missed throughout hip hop´s journey...the fat boys did it for me though ;) first rap 12" single I bought was Stick´em / in jail on WEA and still got it in my collection.
Thank you Jay Q, this is gold. Takes me back to probably the most enjoyable phase of my life. Rakim, a serious but dope dude. This is much appreciated by me, You are the best at what you do. Keep pumping this stuff out there, many many people appreciate this footage, So proud to be raised in this era. Maximum respect to you
Forgive my redundancy. Once again you have produced another dope vid. But I was wondering will you release part 2 of "How The West Was Won" and the long awaited video highlighting Arthur Baker, Bambatta and The Soul Sonic Force. May you continue to stay in good health my fellow Virginian.
Shout and and respect. Love how kurtis explains rap.. it was a lil fad thing we used to do. Classic. Do u have any info on producer hurby luv bug. I think his story is important and the hip hop time line is missing this portion. Always much respect to the teacher Jayquan
Not sure about all of 'em. He clearly didn't like the music, but he was the only one givin' these cats any shine at one point. Especially in the states...
11:00-13:44 The Fat Boys spoke on the contest. I seen the Rare 1983 footage of the legendary Tin Pan Apple Rap & Dance contest.... UTFO(Then called the "Keystone Dancers") Fat Boys(Then called the Disco 3)...
Kool moe Dee was light years away from the other rappers listen to what he said about broadening hip hop music beyond the hip hop you don't stop phase.
Aww Man Jay U Did It Again•Too Many Dope & Funny Parts To Name But It Was Real Dope To Hear The Ruler Say His Name Was Slick Rick Back In '85•After First I Thought I Discovered Something By Hearing Him Say That Because U Know He Went By MC Ricky D Back Then•But Then I Thought About It & Realized I Was Christopher Columbus Because Although He WAS Going By Ricky D Back Then Him AND Doug Was Say'n 'Slick Rick' On "The Show"•It Still Sounded Dope & Shocked Me To Hear Him Say That In The Interview Though Cause I Was Expecting Him To Say MC Ricky D.......
Don Cornelius absolutely hated Rap Music. The times were changing and he didn't want to accept it. He became bitter towards Rappers and it showed in some of these early interviews. I was surprised he laughed as hard as he did at Rakim. He eventually let someone else host the show because the times were changing
@@TheFoundationhiphop Kool moe Dee was light years away from the other rapperse said he was trying to make mature beyond the hip hop you don't stop phase he had the foresight to see that hip hop was growing past the throw your hands in the air like you don't care phase.
Hi, Jayquan, left a link, you seem more au courant on rap's salad days. I posted a documentary from another You Tuber. (Might be redundant given the scope of your knowledge.) Enjoy!
The energy of SOUL TRAIN began to change when rappers started to appear on the show. They brought with them that aggressive and somewhat hostile-like energy which I felt was quite disrespectful to the host Mr. Don Cornelious. I understand it was part of that bravado showmanship from the streets of NY during that era but some of these legends went overboard with it. IMHO
At the risk of sounding like the cranky old head i am , i have to say the old school was far more articulate than than these tattoo faced pill dope fiends that pass for rappers today.
I will be cranky along with you. I will take it a step further and say that young people in general presented themselves in a much more intelligent manner at that time.
@@TheFoundationhiphop I watched "Uncorked" on Netflix with the closed caption on. The lyrics of the music from the rappers rapping were CC'd. It was Charles Barkley "turrible". I'm waiting for one of these cats to come out with a record where they're rapping the actual ABC song and it's a hit.
A, B, C (808 hi-hat)
C, D, E (808 hi-hat)
E, F, G *skrut* (808 hi-hat)
@@computercornerplusNC lol
@Michel Claudia Bierenbroodspot
Nope...not too old school at all 😏
I think it was because they were fighting for respect. Throughout the 80s, rap was considered a fad. Black radio and r&b artists, save for a select few, wanted nothing to do with rap. They received so much resistance. "It's not music" and so on.
DON CORNELIUS (Bless his heart and Rest his soul) was from a DIFFERENT ERA. He looks TOTALLY LOST in most of these interviews. ... It was a real struggle for him to adjust to the new music fads... IT'S A VERY INTERESTING DYNAMIC. Thanks for this compilation, Jay!
I loovveeddd watching this! 🙌🏾 It's so sad that this Black art form has gotten so far away from us. I pray that we reclaim it and bring it back to its roots. 🙏🏾
Yes sir!
Listening to Don Cornelius, interview rappers, is painful. Especially Kurtis Blow. KB looked at him, like "this f***in' n****!" 😅😅😅
Much to his dismay, Cornelius had to acknowledge what was happening. Look at his demeanor and dress when talking to Hank in 1980. Look as his demeanor and dress talking to Moe in 1987.
Deep down we knew Cornelius hated the genre and wished it would go away, but in the end it took Black music over and there was nothing Cornelius could do. By 1990 Cornelius could not even say Fu Schinckens (i remember the episode) or any of the hip hop groups or terminology without a condencsing voice, and he lost his role as announcer as the Tsunami crushed him and any holdouts of the old school black music. Cornelius thought it was a fad, then a sub genre, then had to retire\pass the mic once it overtook Black music.
It's interesting to watch Jayquans vid as you see the demise of a once great foundation of black music succumb to a new wave that destroyed him.
What's frightening is the look alot of the performers gave old Don, it's like they knew ... we're gonna destroy you and your role as gatekeeper to Black music.
Whether you see this as a positive or negative is not relevant. It happened in 10 short years.
Thank you for peeping that. I was never mad at Don for not "getting" Hip Hop. Many from his generation didn't, and that made it more attractive to us. Peep Maurice White's autobiography. He talks about why Don left the show and how Don felt about the music and it's effect on black pop culture. Stay safe.
A-men
@@TheFoundationhiphop Exactly, Don was 35 when soul train started in 1971 so was natural for him not to understand. U can definitely hear the condescending tone in his voice especially when he was talking to Rakim. Today his demeanor would label him a "cornball brotha" to those who don't understand his legend and how much of a pillar he is to black culture and to music. Im 38 so I didn't get to witness his glory years on soul train. But just last week I was rapping with my mom about videos and how I recently discovered Rick James had music videos. I asked her what's the first video she remembers seeing. She said she was overseas when my aunt called her to tell her about videos and said how they just had Soul Train when she was younger. They would watch it Saturday morning, learn the newest dance move, and go out later to do the dances they learned.lol
I noticed that Rakim didnt smile .. and im sure the rappers were aware that Cornelius wasnt necessarily enamored with them ... word got around, but they had to get this music out and the reaction of the crowd was effusive and undeniable .... what an era of music .... this is one for the collection. History in the making ... i read many of the artists had never traveled out of the country, but whodini went to England to record, and Public Enemy recorded live at the Odeon in UK when they did part of It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold us Back album ...
Hmm... Yeah, I think he was a bit of a jerk with his feelings on Rap Music at the time. Many of the older people were, and I'm talking about the 30 and up crowd. Maybe even mid to upper 20's. It was so new, and you only seen a Band on tour with The Sugarhill Gang and Sequence. So even up in NYC or here in Philly it was interesting to see shows with groups like Confunkshun, Slave, Rick James & The Stone City Band, Bootsy's Rubberband perform and see, feel and become mesmerized by their stage shows and incredible musicianship., then see the rappers come out with just the " Block Party" set-up. 🤔
Still, those who loved the music just went with it if they could move the crowd in the arena.
A lot of the Old Heads just didn't get it. They'd talk about it on the subway ride home. The bands who had trained since childhood and learned to play instruments and read music in school and actual music conservatories were not fans of the genre nor wanted to share the stage with them. Bootsy & George and The Mob recognized the real and embraced the new artists and sound, but not many others did at the time.
Don did not have to be that way to them in my opinion, but he did so much for Black Music and giving the artist exposure that they weren't going to get on a national level. He provided an abundance of musical entertainment for one hour each Saturday for many years.
As far as artist wanting to " Destroy" him., Could you please elaborate on that statement? Soul Train was " His Show." going back to the local network in Chicago before he moved it to Hollywood. I'm not privy to the reasons we stopped seeing him and started seeing " Guest Host." Other than him being sick for some time.
I strongly feel, that it's the industry's fault for not allowing the two to co-exist and build up a self contained band over a three to five albums deal. That way we would have had many more youth striving to learn to play an instrument or two, and forming, and joining bands to create new sounds and classic songs like the generations before. It shouldn't have only been Hip Hop.
Just my 2 cents. 😉
R.I.P Jam Master Jay
The Fat Boys were pigeonholed and underrated. They rocked that the crowd in 40 seconds - no beat, no dancers, no chains, no chicks - nothing but a tight routine and crazy energy.
😂😂The Furious Five Was Skeeeeted😂😂
RIP to Don Cornelus,he really put of lots of old school rap legends on the map booking them to do their music,what a time to be alive.
Hard too believe flava and chuck was my pops age during this time! Hip hop don’t stop!
Jam Master Jay seemed so modest.
Best era of hip hop that will ever be and I'm glad I came up in it
So did I!✊🏿
The master rap historian done did it again, and this was definitely THE golden era of rap music, EVER!
Respect and be safe bro
The golden era was the 90s
All of the legends on one stage.
Thanks again for breaking it down. My whole life in hip-hop in 20 minute video.
R.I.P. Don Cornelius.
Definitely. The best at what he did .
Also, R.I.P to ecstasy from whodini and prince markie dee from the fat boys. 😢😭
Magic - smilin’ here from ear to ear. ☝🏻✌🏻✊🏻❤️🙏🏻☮️ Thank you.
And Whodini! When i was 17, i saw, i think, the first Def Jam visit to the UK with themselves, LL and Run DMC. Wow!
JayQ thank bro for this video. I remember I heard Whodini for the first time with the 12 inch record "The Haunted House Of Rock" at my friend's house. He show me the record with the green record. I was 11 at that time and bought the album the next day. I watch hours to front and back cover sleeve and read the text on the back when I was listen to the album (somebody know where the photo was taken with the graffiti behind them?). Each record on their debut album was a hit (still is). This was in 1983. I am not from the Bronx, but still I Boogie down from the Netherlands 👍
The first one that I saw was green as well.
This is dope putting together some of these classic soul Train interviews with some of the rap legends. I was a baby/toddler when some of these interviews took place so to now see them with a fresh pair of eyes, it comes full circle.💯✌🏾✊🏾
Always great content on the culture. ♨️
You done it again with this video. So amazing. The Greatest rappers of Hip Hop on Soul Train. Rest in peace Don Cornelius.
Ain't nothing like real hip hop era
Furious five was hiiiiiiiiigh
I've heard some pretty wild stories, from them, from around this period.
This video is definitely a breath of fresh air. I remember watching every one of those episodes when they were 1st aired. Dope!✊🏿
5 Stars compilation!
I love the video man...i need to fill in the blanks of things that i have missed throughout hip hop´s journey...the fat boys did it for me though ;) first rap 12" single I bought was Stick´em / in jail on WEA and still got it in my collection.
PURE GOLD!!! Thank you JayQuan!!
Man this is beautiful.
Thank you Jay Q, this is gold. Takes me back to probably the most enjoyable phase of my life. Rakim, a serious but dope dude. This is much appreciated by me, You are the best at what you do. Keep pumping this stuff out there, many many people appreciate this footage, So proud to be raised in this era. Maximum respect to you
Respect bro. Be safe
Agreed!
Thanks for collecting all these in one episode .This brings back good memories ,especially when Don accepted the trend and gave exposure.
Very dope. Thanks for sharing. 💯💯💯
Fiending for those performances! Great work as always Jayquan!
Forgive my redundancy. Once again you have produced another dope vid. But I was wondering will you release part 2 of "How The West Was Won" and the long awaited video highlighting Arthur Baker, Bambatta and The Soul Sonic Force. May you continue to stay in good health my fellow Virginian.
Excellent post!
Respect bro. Be safe my man
don: "that was frightenin'!" lol
Lol
So good to see the groups on the show that I listened to and watched. Great vid as usual my Brother. Salute!
Respect bro. Be safe
When the east is the in house ! Respect to the north south & west THE FOUNDATION ! May good health and safety be upon us too !
Be safe
Ahhh Thanks for putting this together .
🎶🙏🏼🎶
love it...peace out to the real heads around the globe
Melle Mel was king of the 80s
Don must a been mad tall
..but keep n mind, most rappers r uzually shawt den a muhfcka tho
lol.. He was like 6'4". though.
I LUV THIS CHANNEL!!
Very cool!👍🏾
Man iam lost for words when i seen this i almost cried so many memories
Wooo! Keep it up!
This is dope, thanks for the upload 💪🏼
This is a great channel
LL the Coldest.... 🐐
Dope share
Thank you for this. It’s much appreciated. I look forward to watching the performances they did as well. If you already got them let us know!!!!!
J, Hope all is well with you & Fam; The Best Era without a doubt.
Without question. Be healthy and safe
Salute JayQuan! Great compilation!
Thank you. Be safe
Shout and and respect. Love how kurtis explains rap.. it was a lil fad thing we used to do. Classic. Do u have any info on producer hurby luv bug. I think his story is important and the hip hop time line is missing this portion. Always much respect to the teacher Jayquan
Hurby soon!
I could watch. This all day
Damn, the fat boys got don Cornelius hype. Awesome videos. Thanks
Love this! it's funny how young most of them looked now that I'm looking at it now. Especially the Fat Boys.
"It comes from the heart." -DMC
That was dope. Don wasn't looking for that answer.
Nice!!!
Good times
don cornelius sneak dissed all of them
Not sure about all of 'em. He clearly didn't like the music, but he was the only one givin' these cats any shine at one point. Especially in the states...
@@TheFoundationhiphop the moments are priceless. flav is amazing on soul train. thanks for posting.
@@gentlejones respect
P.E. was DOPE!
👍🔥👌🔥👏🔥💪🔥👊
all of them need their roses while their still here, rip to ecstacy, buffy, jam master jay and big hank
Brother you do a great job with hip hop music i can't wait until you interview dewright. and i hope donnie calvin bka rockers revenge
Hey Jayquan, Thanks for posting these. You wouldn't happen to have the UTFO Soul Train episode where they performed "Fairytale Lover" would you?
I don't. I'm trying to get it from someone now!
You're killin me Jayquan! Talk about fla⚡hbacks 😂 "My name is Tone_West & I'm a Libra!" 🔫 🚘🔊🚾 ♎ 💵 😎 🎹
Yeah they threw the zodiac signs out there
Don Cornelius hated rap music.
Yes he hated rap music just like people of his generation.
lmao and didn't hide it, but he was 35 when soul train started in 1971. By this time he was in his late 40's
We need another era like this to bring hip hop back up. Soul Train was the ish to watch to see/hear music that I could never see/hear on local radio..
11:00-13:44 The Fat Boys spoke on the contest.
I seen the Rare 1983 footage of the legendary Tin Pan Apple Rap & Dance contest.... UTFO(Then called the "Keystone Dancers") Fat Boys(Then called the Disco 3)...
Yeah, its on TH-cam
Kool moe Dee was light years away from the other rappers listen to what he said about broadening hip hop music beyond the hip hop you don't stop phase.
See when Hip Hop made it on too Soul Train it was a wrap and the rest was and is history!
Aww Man Jay U Did It Again•Too Many Dope & Funny Parts To Name But It Was Real Dope To Hear The Ruler Say His Name Was Slick Rick Back In '85•After First I Thought I Discovered Something By Hearing Him Say That Because U Know He Went By MC Ricky D Back Then•But Then I Thought About It & Realized I Was Christopher Columbus Because Although He WAS Going By Ricky D Back Then Him AND Doug Was Say'n 'Slick Rick' On "The Show"•It Still Sounded Dope & Shocked Me To Hear Him Say That In The Interview Though Cause I Was Expecting Him To Say MC Ricky D.......
Legendary MCs
Sooo disappointing to listen to Don Cornelius back hand diss rap when interviewing Kurtis Blow & Public Enemy. 🤔
Yo thank you for this❤
Don Cornelius absolutely hated Rap Music. The times were changing and he didn't want to accept it.
He became bitter towards Rappers and it showed in some of these early interviews.
I was surprised he laughed as hard as he did at Rakim.
He eventually let someone else host the show because the times were changing
clazzic...
Ecstacy was rockin the daisy duke shorts, lol
Lol
@@TheFoundationhiphop Kool moe Dee was light years away from the other rapperse said he was trying to make mature beyond the hip hop you don't stop phase he had the foresight to see that hip hop was growing past the throw your hands in the air like you don't care phase.
u busy today jay LOL
Wow you guys sound educated. Don's favorite quip to emcees. Like they are not supposed to be?
Hi, Jayquan, left a link, you seem more au courant on rap's salad days. I posted a documentary from another You Tuber. (Might be redundant given the scope of your knowledge.) Enjoy!
Ecstacy:Jalil::Andre:Big Boi
The energy of SOUL TRAIN began to change when rappers started to appear on the show. They brought with them that aggressive and somewhat hostile-like energy which I felt was quite disrespectful to the host Mr. Don Cornelious. I understand it was part of that bravado showmanship from the streets of NY during that era but some of these legends went overboard with it. IMHO
The Fat Boys...dope
18:32 Big Hank spit a line Busta Rhymes later made famous
Written by Cheryl The Pearl of Sequence
If Don thought 80s rap wasn't good he definitely wouldn't believe 2020 rap lol
Lol The Fat Boys killed it
Don was intimidated by Rakim. He ain’t even really want to take to him. Wow.
that was rap about then !!!! take nothing to something and had fun !!!! fuck all the gangsta shit !!!!
That sugar hill interview was odd , knowing that the raps werent written by them.
Only Hank's rhymes were written by Caz. Everyone else wrote their parts.
@@TheFoundationhiphop thanks for that.
Sugar hill gave they govt names woooow
So thelats wheres busta got the hook for who ha! Unless big bad hank stole that ryhme too 😂
Don Cornelius was a horrible interviewer
Who hated hiphop mad disrespectful
Don Cornelius was a hater
Funny how these cats was kids now they old men and rap done went to shit for the most part
Sooo disappointing to listen to Don Cornelius back hand diss rap when interviewing Kurtis Blow & Public Enemy. 🤔