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Effort vs reward. Depends on how much effort you are prepared to put in. It's impossible to know how much effort is worth it. It's entirely subjective. Realistically no man can give 100 percent to get women. You need to work some of the time. A 9 to 5 job is arguably 70 percent of your day busy.
Most successful guys do not have to put in massive amounts of effort. It comes natural, mostly due to genetics. If you're having to try really hard it says a lot about your current situation.
Seems like most guys have just given up, which is pretty sad. I used to think the 80/20 thing was a bit of a joke. 20% of guys involved with or having access to 80% of women. Whether that's because the other 80% of guys don't give a shit and put no effort in, I'm not entirely sure. Theres probably a few different things affecting it (social circle, lack of effort in appearance, lack of effort approaching women, dating apps, social media etc etc.) The list goes on and on. But modern dating seems like it's becoming more of a 'harem' type of situation with every passing year. The blackpill doomer mindset keeps on spreading.
The ratio has become more like 95/5 now in recent years, thanks to social media and dating apps. 95% of girls are now chasing the top 5% of men. The vast majority of men are getting zero results in today's dating market, hence why they've largely given up.
The juice is not worth the squeeze today. I wanted a wife and their are next to none in the West especially in London, it's ok if you a chad and want a pump and dump I've done it and I'd say I'm a 6 at best and I'm bored of that. All I get now is entitled mid 20 ran through women who think having a degree makes them the boss. My friend lost his job as he totally read the situation wrong from a female colleague and came up on a sexual harassment accusation. As usual blaming men seems to be the solution it's not. Men have listen to women and woken up to their true nature and have change their dating strategy and are starting to value themselves, their time and money. Why waste you time on being rejected, mocked, used for free drinks and dinners when you can spend time and money improving yourself.
It's incredible how you have guys who have done well to get a good career and earn more, or get a better body etc, yet want to put in half efforts when it comes to dating and getting their ideal woman. It all takes a lot of effort. Unless you are a male model who got lucky with genetics, then you need to be in effort.
How can one improve their social skills/whitty banter when one is told to "fu$k $$ff" from 6' away??- especially when one has been spending time in the gym, made an effort to dress presentable etc???
With women, there seems to be some inner game or mind shift that needs to happen to actually go all in for a man. I could be the guy you described, watched countless of videos, but never cold approached a women in my life. I am not shy, I can talk to them, but confronting a women and letting her know that I am attracted to her sexually, I never did it. Not sure about your course, but the prices for a few hours of coaching of other courses I heard, are also extrem for a normal guy like me. I could go to Warsaw, but paying thousands for a few hours, if one has already low confidence and self esteem and does not really belief in himself, is just a tall obstacle to overcome, not only financially but als mentally as a normie, like you called us. Still, I would love to go to the event and learn but I am also full of doubt. I most likely would get laught at not only by the women.
Social skills always seemed like something you have or should have already and many people don’t realize it’s a developable skill set. And for me, I always over prioritized business and fitness over social skills. We need to realize it’s a developable skill and is very important even outside of dating.
Yeah I'll always be angry and bitter and resentful that I didn't have my first girlfriend until my early 30s, around 32, me and her are not together anymore though. I know I've spoken to another guy like this who has a similar story who says he never had a girlfriend until he was 30, he has the mindset that if he was born a woman he would not have been alone and single that long. I remember one guy said this to me and he really pissed me off when he said to me: "Why would you be bitter once you got what you wanted? Even if it took that long why does it matter? You can still enjoy the fruits of your labor now" Because I didn't get into my first relationship until later than normal that's why I feel angry bitter and resentful. And plus being a guy, how the dating game has always been different for men for women in which I know I'm not the only guy that has this mindset and that is men always have to be the ones to put in all the work and effort in order to land a girlfriend or in order for a heterosexual relationship to happen or start. It's like men are the only ones that have to know or learn so many skills and behaviors on how to attract a mate but not the other way around. I get more mad and angry that people in society say that men are not supposed to view that as work or a burden as in men always having to be the ones to take the lead and Court women and lead the interaction, I will never understand why men are supposed to enjoy and embrace that role. Should be obvious as to what I'm talking about, yeah and I get even more pissed off that people and Society say that women also have to learn dating skills on how to meet men or how to attract men when it never will make sense to me since women don't have to do jackshit to make a relationship happen. Speaking of my lifelong hatred of men always having to make the first move all the time. Didn't happen for me around the time people normally have their first relationship. I get very angry and pissed off whenever people and Society have the mindset that it's better to be a man. I remember another guy said and he only added fuel to fire which made me more angry and pissed off when he said: "Boo fucking hoo. We also don't have to go through child birth and we're strong as fuck. Testosterone gives us ambition + mental and physical strength that MANY (not all) women are lacking. Being a man has many benefits and with great power comes great responsibility. Stop crying about it and get your fucking shit together" Let's just say he pissed me off so much that it's not appropriate for me to say what was on my mind when I read that comment. Yeah I don't understand why a lot of people have the mindset as to why it's better to be a man at the end of the day. Yes it does truly feel unfair being a man at times. It only pisses me off even more when people say "thats the way it is, or so what?". it just fills me with a lot of anger and rage. Yes I already know and I'm completely aware that there's no such thing as fairness never has been never will be but it truly does feel unfair being a guy at times. Whenever people and Society make the arguments as to why we should feel thankful and grateful to be a man it just fills me with a lot of anger and rage. For example comments about what that one guy said above about testosterone. It really pissed me off a lot. When people say to get a sex change that just makes me more angry because a sex change is obviously not normal or natural because people who do get sex changes still retain elements from the gender that they were naturally born. Yes despite how modern medicine and surgery has occurred in today's modern times for modern world even people who do Transition and get a sex change still are not naturally automatically the other gender.
Dude, you gotta deal with that anger and rage, it's not going to make you happy. Life often sucks, but there are moments of beauty and contentment. Try to find what gives you them, seek them out and savour that shxt. Best of luck.
Why do you think people pretend that they do something and then they say they have done 0 appraoches in the last 3 months? Where are other fields where we as men sabotage ourselves?
Lol, The guy selling coaching services is frustrated with the lack of business, lol. Maybe he doesn't know what his customers actually want enough to pay for. Who's really not making the effort?
@@RealTroyFrancis Hey, my bad. I don't want to discourage you, though I think helping these guys determine what is worth working hard for might help. The reality is that this is hard work, arduous work, and besides hard work, it can get expensive depending on how you roll. You did a good job detailing that in the video. The bottom line is that it's a considerable investment to get a date and get laid; whatever the objective is, the result is ultimately what is important. For many of these guys an arranged marriage would be the fastest and least expensive approach - we may need to restart that process. Guys like you, and I can date 50 women in several years and still be trying to find something better, which you could argue is a huge waste of resources unless you can somehow make money dating, I am working on that BTW, lol.
You have to be as desperate as a drowning man to get yourself to do whatever it takes to start improving your image and learning the game. After watching me play guitar many people will say, "oh, I wish I could do that". And I just have to say, the only way you learn to play guitar is if you are passionate about it and practice hours and hours.
Do you think that it is some intrinsic motivation, calling and talent that keeps you practicing? I tried to force myself to do a few things in life and it never ended well. It was like going against ones true nature. Also with women, there seems to be some inner game or mind shift that needs to happen to actually go all in.
Paul McCartney learned to play the guitar upside down! He struggled to learn the guitar the normal way so he improvised. By turning the guitar upside down it helped his hand co-ordination. McCartney was passionate about music and song writing so I guess he forced himself to learn the guitar and piano. I think you have to force yourself to do most things in life.
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All that effort for getting nothing I return...why bother????
to make the stick wet
Effort vs reward.
Depends on how much effort you are prepared to put in. It's impossible to know how much effort is worth it. It's entirely subjective. Realistically no man can give 100 percent to get women. You need to work some of the time. A 9 to 5 job is arguably 70 percent of your day busy.
Men put in a lot of effort and still get left with nothing in todays dating market😢
@@animal79thecat I’m trying bro
@@animal79thecat
Did your girlfriend’s other boyfriend tell you to write that?
Daygame is hard. I struggle with daytime approaches as well. I talk to older ladies and people in general and that helps to make an approach than :)
Most successful guys do not have to put in massive amounts of effort. It comes natural, mostly due to genetics.
If you're having to try really hard it says a lot about your current situation.
Fine, but this comment is of no value whatsoever to the many men who do struggle in this area.
@@animal79thecat 🤣🤣🤣
@@RealTroyFrancis neither is your channel. Pray youre born to better looking parents in the next life
Wow, so many blackpillers around these days.
@@salemsmith2878 We are legion.
the only thing you should be is yourself...if that does not work then that's not your problem
Seems like most guys have just given up, which is pretty sad. I used to think the 80/20 thing was a bit of a joke. 20% of guys involved with or having access to 80% of women. Whether that's because the other 80% of guys don't give a shit and put no effort in, I'm not entirely sure. Theres probably a few different things affecting it (social circle, lack of effort in appearance, lack of effort approaching women, dating apps, social media etc etc.) The list goes on and on. But modern dating seems like it's becoming more of a 'harem' type of situation with every passing year. The blackpill doomer mindset keeps on spreading.
The ratio has become more like 95/5 now in recent years, thanks to social media and dating apps. 95% of girls are now chasing the top 5% of men. The vast majority of men are getting zero results in today's dating market, hence why they've largely given up.
it was dating apps and social media that messed everything up
The Blackpill isn't a mindset, it's a reality.
@@Bullet-Tooth-Tony-this is the problem it has left many women on their hypergamy’s highest setting.
The juice is not worth the squeeze today. I wanted a wife and their are next to none in the West especially in London, it's ok if you a chad and want a pump and dump I've done it and I'd say I'm a 6 at best and I'm bored of that. All I get now is entitled mid 20 ran through women who think having a degree makes them the boss. My friend lost his job as he totally read the situation wrong from a female colleague and came up on a sexual harassment accusation. As usual blaming men seems to be the solution it's not. Men have listen to women and woken up to their true nature and have change their dating strategy and are starting to value themselves, their time and money. Why waste you time on being rejected, mocked, used for free drinks and dinners when you can spend time and money improving yourself.
Passport bros is the only option left
It's incredible how you have guys who have done well to get a good career and earn more, or get a better body etc, yet want to put in half efforts when it comes to dating and getting their ideal woman. It all takes a lot of effort. Unless you are a male model who got lucky with genetics, then you need to be in effort.
I stopped even caring yrs ago.
How can one improve their social skills/whitty banter when one is told to "fu$k $$ff" from 6' away??- especially when one has been spending time in the gym, made an effort to dress presentable etc???
That hardly ever happens
6' is over exaggerating. 3' maybe. It's definitely variable depending in the country. I'm not rating the Balkans highly with my skill level
@@RealTroyFrancis Happens all the time in America, even if those exact words are not used.
I know, I know - leave America.
With women, there seems to be some inner game or mind shift that needs to happen to actually go all in for a man. I could be the guy you described, watched countless of videos, but never cold approached a women in my life. I am not shy, I can talk to them, but confronting a women and letting her know that I am attracted to her sexually, I never did it. Not sure about your course, but the prices for a few hours of coaching of other courses I heard, are also extrem for a normal guy like me. I could go to Warsaw, but paying thousands for a few hours, if one has already low confidence and self esteem and does not really belief in himself, is just a tall obstacle to overcome, not only financially but als mentally as a normie, like you called us. Still, I would love to go to the event and learn but I am also full of doubt. I most likely would get laught at not only by the women.
Social skills always seemed like something you have or should have already and many people don’t realize it’s a developable skill set.
And for me, I always over prioritized business and fitness over social skills. We need to realize it’s a developable skill and is very important even outside of dating.
Can you up the volume on these Troy? I've got it on full volume and it's still not easy to hear. Lower vol than any other youtube vid I watch
The sunshine will return!
My big issue is my junk food addiction. It’s easy when I’m in peek condition, I don’t know what’s wrong with me.
Discipline man, start small cut the sugar, go out for a walk, join a community.
Yeah I'll always be angry and bitter and resentful that I didn't have my first girlfriend until my early 30s, around 32, me and her are not together anymore though.
I know I've spoken to another guy like this who has a similar story who says he never had a girlfriend until he was 30, he has the mindset that if he was born a woman he would not have been alone and single that long.
I remember one guy said this to me and he really pissed me off when he said to me:
"Why would you be bitter once you got what you wanted?
Even if it took that long why does it matter? You can still enjoy the fruits of your labor now"
Because I didn't get into my first relationship until later than normal that's why I feel angry bitter and resentful.
And plus being a guy, how the dating game has always been different for men for women in which I know I'm not the only guy that has this mindset and that is men always have to be the ones to put in all the work and effort in order to land a girlfriend or in order for a heterosexual relationship to happen or start.
It's like men are the only ones that have to know or learn so many skills and behaviors on how to attract a mate but not the other way around.
I get more mad and angry that people in society say that men are not supposed to view that as work or a burden as in men always having to be the ones to take the lead and Court women and lead the interaction, I will never understand why men are supposed to enjoy and embrace that role.
Should be obvious as to what I'm talking about, yeah and I get even more pissed off that people and Society say that women also have to learn dating skills on how to meet men or how to attract men when it never will make sense to me since women don't have to do jackshit to make a relationship happen.
Speaking of my lifelong hatred of men always having to make the first move all the time.
Didn't happen for me around the time people normally have their first relationship.
I get very angry and pissed off whenever people and Society have the mindset that it's better to be a man.
I remember another guy said and he only added fuel to fire which made me more angry and pissed off when he said:
"Boo fucking hoo. We also don't have to go through child birth and we're strong as fuck. Testosterone gives us ambition + mental and physical strength that MANY (not all) women are lacking. Being a man has many benefits and with great power comes great responsibility. Stop crying about it and get your fucking shit together"
Let's just say he pissed me off so much that it's not appropriate for me to say what was on my mind when I read that comment.
Yeah I don't understand why a lot of people have the mindset as to why it's better to be a man at the end of the day.
Yes it does truly feel unfair being a man at times.
It only pisses me off even more when people say "thats the way it is, or so what?".
it just fills me with a lot of anger and rage.
Yes I already know and I'm completely aware that there's no such thing as fairness never has been never will be but it truly does feel unfair being a guy at times.
Whenever people and Society make the arguments as to why we should feel thankful and grateful to be a man it just fills me with a lot of anger and rage.
For example comments about what that one guy said above about testosterone.
It really pissed me off a lot.
When people say to get a sex change that just makes me more angry because a sex change is obviously not normal or natural because people who do get sex changes still retain elements from the gender that they were naturally born.
Yes despite how modern medicine and surgery has occurred in today's modern times for modern world even people who do Transition and get a sex change still are not naturally automatically the other gender.
The best thing being a male is nobody is approaching you and you can live a beautiful quiet life
Dude, you gotta deal with that anger and rage, it's not going to make you happy. Life often sucks, but there are moments of beauty and contentment. Try to find what gives you them, seek them out and savour that shxt. Best of luck.
@@jakelesnake4927 yeah and people still think it's better to be a man
Just date younger women who are in their early 20s. That way you can make up for what you missed.
Why do you think people pretend that they do something and then they say they have done 0 appraoches in the last 3 months? Where are other fields where we as men sabotage ourselves?
Easy for you to say
Lol, The guy selling coaching services is frustrated with the lack of business, lol. Maybe he doesn't know what his customers actually want enough to pay for. Who's really not making the effort?
That’s not whaf the video says at all.
@@RealTroyFrancis Hey, my bad. I don't want to discourage you, though I think helping these guys determine what is worth working hard for might help. The reality is that this is hard work, arduous work, and besides hard work, it can get expensive depending on how you roll. You did a good job detailing that in the video. The bottom line is that it's a considerable investment to get a date and get laid; whatever the objective is, the result is ultimately what is important. For many of these guys an arranged marriage would be the fastest and least expensive approach - we may need to restart that process. Guys like you, and I can date 50 women in several years and still be trying to find something better, which you could argue is a huge waste of resources unless you can somehow make money dating, I am working on that BTW, lol.
Well, you're a dating coach, so it's not really surprising.
You have to be as desperate as a drowning man to get yourself to do whatever it takes to start improving your image and learning the game. After watching me play guitar many people will say, "oh, I wish I could do that". And I just have to say, the only way you learn to play guitar is if you are passionate about it and practice hours and hours.
Do you think that it is some intrinsic motivation, calling and talent that keeps you practicing? I tried to force myself to do a few things in life and it never ended well. It was like going against ones true nature. Also with women, there seems to be some inner game or mind shift that needs to happen to actually go all in.
Paul McCartney learned to play the guitar upside down! He struggled to learn the guitar the normal way so he improvised. By turning the guitar upside down it helped his hand co-ordination. McCartney was passionate about music and song writing so I guess he forced himself to learn the guitar and piano. I think you have to force yourself to do most things in life.