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Back on the rails: 1958 5 digit American Flyer S gauge Alco Diesel service part 2.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มี.ค. 2024
- This video is part two of a two part series that covers the restoration of somewhat scare set of colorful diesel engines back to life.
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Thank for the video. Enjoy them a great deal. Like waching them run on your layout.
Don is the Canadian Flyer Chief ... love those ...getagrips ... Fab show Austin .... best regards
Thanks for your videos. Always enjoy watching trains run on your layout. I have but a simple oval and enjoy running it.
Nice holes in those thrust plates! I've seen thrust plates like that. I know a gentleman who put steel bushings in one of his diesel chassis. As he put it, "They'll never wear out." I have that 1958 Santa Fe diesel freight set - with a 24416 reefer to boot!
The collection I had in the late '80s to early 2000s included two powered Alco PA-1s, two B's and a dummy A. the powered units ran just like the two you show here, so what you are experiencing may be normal. All five of mine had been junk when I got them, so I repainted them as Monon would have painted them had that line had Alcos in 1948. One dummy unit, which was from the very first run which included separately applied handrails ( practice that was abandoned within minutes of the start of the run) and did not have a cut out for a front coupler. So that passenger locomotive was always pushed by the matching gray over red over darker gray, and since it ran better in reverse, that worked well. I don't remember thinking to pair the two powered unites to see how they would run together, other than the time I lashed together every locomotive I had with couplers on both ends, behind one of my steam locomotives, to see how long a train they could pull. If I ever get another Also, I may well refer to this video if it doesn't run well.
I've read about the Alcos with Handrails but have never seen one. They are quite rare. Thanks for sharing Mark. Your stories are very interesting.
My 21910 has metal gears. I use lubriplate 630-aa grease on the gears and labelle 107 oil on the bearing as recommended to me by precision flyer repair who also installed the oilite bushing on all for axles. The plastuc thrust bearings will need to be replaced periodically. Easily pulls 25 cars plus the PB with the diesel roar running and PA. Quiet as a mouse if I turn off the diesel sound generator, which I usually don't do. 😁 I don't get the crackling sound from the speaker. I use 30B and 18B transformers.
The key here is your engines have been rebushed. While these do not have a ton of miles I still want to rebush them at some point as it really makes a tremendous difference as you noted
@@AustinsAmericanFlyertrainsIt was quiet before I shipped it off, but it wouldn't even pull the PB & PA because the axle holes were worn which ended up causing motor windings to heat up and get damaged.
I think Doug Peck told me that he has in stock the trucks for PA & PB & GP7 that he had the bushings installed by his service man. Just the truck chassis, no motor, worm gear, axles etc. You might send him an email and ask. This way you can get bushings installed in your original trucks at your leisure.
@@-MAILMAN true ..or I might tackle it myself.
@@AustinsAmericanFlyertrains Even though Tom Barker made a jig to use his drill press to drill the trucks for bushing installation, Doug Peck and Dave Horn (PFR) both recommend milling machines for the process. Back when Tom Barker was doing it, parts were not as expensive as they are today. I have a good Delta Drill press that I can rearrange the belt for various speeds, I don't think I have that much courage to try it myself. I have two GP7 (371 & 375) & a PA (PA 470 twin motor) that I want to have bushings installed. I just need to find the right person. I may get some trucks from Portlines to have for the future until I find someone since Precision Flyer Repair has retired from Train Repair other than for his equipment.
@-MAILMAN I have access to a milling machine and lathe...which is how I refurbished my rocket.
They need more power because your are turning two motors instead of one. That has been my experience with the double motor units through the years. Tell me again the name of those after market pull more wheels please.
Gitagrip. Don Becker.
Would Don's wheels work on my 370? What kind of wheel puller do you use? I need to pick one up, but not sure what type to get. Great video! Hair and a freckle!
Absolutely. If interested see the video I posted a while back in what they did for my Baldwins. I've tried to use cheap pullers from hardware and auto parts stores. These have been nothing but frustrating to use. I finally got a puller like the one Portlines sells. It works well each time.
Hey Austin Great video .. I just got a 24323 bakers' tanker. Should the catwalk be dark or light gray I know the PM is a light gray?
My resources just say grey...no specification if light or dark.
Alco was better off building Big Boys!!!! I should think that at 15 volts that first engine would be flying off the rails.
Yeah ...the traction tires lowered this to around 13...but still not where I would like to see it. when I have some time I want to dig into it further
Methinks the early Alcos were the best. You are correct to run the powered unit last in the lashup. I used to run my Lionel F3s the same way. It splits the load between the two motors.
@@ronalddevine9587 The early diesels had factory installed bushings. Once they went from LC to KC they stopped the practice of bushing installation. My 370 from '51 has factory bushings in the power truck, my 371 ('54) & 375 ('55) Do not. My 470 ('55) & 21910 ('58) did not. PFR installed bushings in my 21910 (rubber with one grooved wheel and rubber tire band on each truck) and will pull 25 cars (many heavy diecast) plus the PB and PA on level track with 21910 in the lead. Having said that I usually have the powered ALCO's third in the lash up pushing the two dummies and pulling the rolling stock or the plastic stream lined passenger cars. I also put the 375 behind the dummy 374 pushing it and pulling the rest of the consist.
@@-MAILMAN
I have an A-B-A Lionel F3, and I have always done the same. One motor pushing, the other is pulling. Perfectly logical!
I have the 1956 set of yellow war bonnet diesels. Everything runs fine. When I purchased them 5 years ago all I had to do was give them a lube job. Do you have an address for those special wheels? Thank you 😊😎👌👍!
Stephen...I would look him up in the FB flyer groups and pm him.
Hey Austin, I need some help. I have a 360 and a 470 that I rebuilt. Even put bushing in the 360. They ran great when I first finished them about 2 years ago. But recently they both have been doing basically exactly what your unit is doing. So other than the pull more wheel issue, what issues with the motor can cause this problem? Any advice would be appreciated.
Do you oil the axels each time you run them? I find this is critical to do with diesels. If that does not help then I would recommend removing the truck side frames and oiling the gear and , if you can, put a drop on the drive shaft bushing. If you still do not see improvement, I would next suggest you inspect the reverse fingers for holes as this can reduce your engines performance. If none of this helps now you are going to want to inspect brushed. And then tear down the motors to check for thrust bearing wear. Ladlt...check fields and armature windings.