I'm redoing the pinned comment because there's some additional clarification I could've given that I hadn't yet (and frankly I didn't feel like cleaning up the reply chain), that should hopefully at the very least clear up where I'm coming from. In any of my AUs (including one-off songs), Chara (and Frisk) go by they/them pronouns. Any comments misgendering them *will* be deleted. As someone who is themself non-binary, whether intentional or not, it is extremely uncomfortable to be misgendered or witness others being misgendered. I also don't have the energy to constantly correct people, and potentially risk starting arguments over it. It's not a "headcanons" issue, within the context of Undertale and AUs that aren't my own, as much as I have my own opinions on the matter, I see no issue with Frisks and Charas of any gender. But within the context of my own AUs in which these things are deemed canon, deliberately going against that is kind of disrespectful, even if "they're just characters". I wouldn't like it if someone decided to have headcanons about _my_ gender identity and preferred pronouns, I don't think anyone reasonable would either. (Accidents can happen, but I can't easily differentiate between a troll and an honest mistake here. "Perks" of the autism. Don't take it personally if your comment was deleted.) Thank you in advance for understanding my boundaries here. This isn't something I uphold anywhere else, but this particular song seemed like it would be quite a hit (and it was!) in comparison to other songs that prominently feature them that I knew "moderating" this one would've been a nightmare.
Since Chara is president, could there theoretically be a route where we wait until their term is over and run a campaign against them and change human policy? That would be the funniest way to defeat them.
I’m just imagining that instead of it being a garden with a throne for asgore, it’s just an office like the one in the White House which would be hilarious to fight in.
*Human. *Your species has beyond disappointed me. *My hate for you is uncountable. *But I suppose all hatred must be put aside for moments like these. *You will resist, fight, flee and struggle. *But it doesn't matter. You can't do it forever. *You don't have control over it. *Or maybe you'll give in, making it easier for both of us. *In any way. *Today. *The Underground... *will reek of human blood.
@youyououmf8200 Well, by your logic, Chara would remember. Chara doesn't have a soul. Also, Flowey only remembers because he was also able to reset before, he had the power, so he can remember.
i imagine in this Au Asgore and Toriel found away to peirce the barrier to beg humanity for freedom, I also imagine that it didn't go well, as they never returned. the responsibility of power fell on both Chara and Asriel, not sure who should be leader, they held an election. Asriel ran with the promise of prosperity and piece with humanity. but Chara impulsively promised humanity's destruction and revenge for the fallen monarches. Monster kind was rightfully angery for what happened to their beloved king and queen, so despite being human and not even the monarchs biological child. Chara won with a near-unanimous vote. Many years later Chara is older and more wise. they have come to relise how impolseive their intent to destroy Humanity was. but they belive that they can't go back on it, they represent hope for monster-kinds future. so how could they deny monster kind what they've earned.
I like to imagine that monsters would know Chara had a not very great relationship with humans themselves, even if they were human themselves. I feel like that alone would give Chara more authority on what humans were supposed to be like, even if it was a very biased pov.
Really like how different the vibe of this song is compared to the original. It sounds a lot more hopeful and even a bit bittersweet as apposed to tragic. It feels like you go into the fight with far more sure idea of what you’re doing and a more concrete sense of who you’re dealing with
"I thought that if this day was to come, it would of happened sooner." "Guess some unrest still was there." "I wish I had more to say." "But considering how far you've pushed to get here." "You probably wouldn't be convinced now, right?" "Well." "If there's any doubt in your mind, please take your time." "The last thing I want is a unfulfilled end here."
I am immediately head canoning that Asriel takes the place of Toriel in this AU and Chara’s fear/hatred towards humanity is what split apart their friendship. Chara still feels like they are the hero and saving monsters from humanity’s wrath by collecting human souls to break the barrier, but Asriel’s attempts to stop them before leaving to the ruins have left a nagging feeling of guilt in their conscience that they are trying to bury. Great job!
I was thinking of Asriel dying, but Chara somehow surviving, Flowey is still created and is basically Chara's puppet, being the one who will absorb the souls and break the barrier as Chara cannot do that (cuz of being a human) I feel like what I'm thinking would be in an AU following more closely normal UT, maybe it's an AT
I just LOVE when people make AU Chara's without Megalo Strike Back. MSB isn't a bad song by means, but I don't like how the old fanfom randomly decided that sn Earthbound fan song was Chara's theme.
I mean I don't think it's _that_ random. The song is called Megalo Strike Back, giving it strong ties as what is essentially a sequel to MEGALOVANIA, AND it's from the same fan album Fallen Down originates from. It is perhaps a strange choice for Chara in particular but I'm pretty sure the only reason people even associate it with Chara is because of that old Dreemurr Reborn animation that heavily uses it. I personally am not a big fan of using it unless I can reasonably justify it for like "lore reasons" but at this point I'm so used to it having been in the fandom for... 7 years now? That it doesn't strike me as terribly odd that it's used for Chara. It's kind of a neat remnant of the past, in a way. i did not mean to go on an entire loredump on you here but i don't know what to cut out, apologies duenwjrjwjrg
"It's been a while since I've seen another one of my kind. It's strangely... nostalgic. I suppose I should thank you for coming all this way. Come closer."
"I need souls. And LV. Wanna know why? I have a dream. That every monster in the underground will be able to think for themselves. The underground of the truly free, damn it!"
In this AU you don't have to bring a butterscotch pie all the way from the ruins to Chara to decrease their stats, you just need to reply to anything they say with 🤓
* You and Chara stand at the end of the underground. * It seems your efforts have lead up to this. * You are filled with…uh…I don’t get paid enough for this.
Imagine falling into the underground and then somehow managing to become the ruler despite humans sealing monsters underground must be either really well liked or a dictator
Asgore will be a Flowey role. Basically Asgore dies in the war so Toriel becomes Queen, thus raising Chara and Asriel on her own who were born much earlier. Chara grows up to be the new ruler and they never met Asgore
Wow, this has some really emotional parts! Great song, and also, I really like how Chara dresses in this, it definetely feels something that fits their gender neutral appearence
oooohh these songs are so good !! chara’s outfit also rocks. this song made me start thinking about a non-swap/shift au with chara as ruler of the underground and (maybe) asriel as the caretaker of the ruins. it’s no unlikely toriel and asgore are dead if this takes place during undertale and an au like this could cover asriel and chara’s expectations they’ve had put on them, by themselves or by others and could be really interesting. also if you can save/load then it could be explored what makes you more determined than chara, or why they may have lost hope. another reason could maybe be that their determination has been extracted somehow or something was done to make them less determined, maybe more similar to monsters and whatever was got out of that process has been used to extend their lifespan
This sounds... Strangely joyful for ASGORE. As if Chara DOES want to kill humans, which would be in-character for them. Not killing to free everyone, but killing because they enjoy it.
Actually the intent was that it was a bit more on the bittersweet side for the exact reason you rejected lol Chara here definitely doesn't WANT to be doing this but they're trying to look at the bright side, confident that they'll bring salvation to the monsters of the Underground so they can finally see the Surface again.
Yeah… I don’t hear what you’re hearing. It sounds hopeful yeah, but not joyful. It does not at all sound like a theme for a Chara that _enjoys_ killing humans. Like asgore before them, this theme sounds like the theme of person who doesn’t _want_ to fight you, but feels like they *have* to.
Here’s a third interpretation that I think would be more accurate to the theme of the song. This is the theme of a human leader for the monsters, who is determined to do anything to save the monsters that have treated them kindly. They have long cast away their doubts and qualms against slaying their own kind for the sake of destroying the BARRIER. Or is it? When you listen on the flute and piano bridges, you notice that their resolve is not as iron-clad as either side believes. Chara knows that the human is a good person who wants the best for monster-kind too. Even the An Ending leitmotifs in the song, hint towards the fact that Chara sincerely wishes that they didn’t have to fight to the death, that there is another resolution to this matter. But Chara knows the suffering of the monsters deeper than the human does… *And they’ll do anything to put an end to it, for not a moment longer, it should continue.*
notice how the motifs throughout Determination slowly get less and less happy as the song progresses. first the flute from undertale (joyful), then the menu theme (happy but sorta neutral), then reunited (happy yet solemn), then his theme (homely, nostalgic, and a bit bittersweet), then respite (VERY bittersweet now), and finally a section of baath (heroic, but sad).
To build on what the other commenters are saying, this isn't a Chara who takes pride in what they're doing, it's a Chara who is entirely convinced that what they're doing is just. To Chara, this is a case of one life versus many lives. It's a trolley problem, in a sense, and Chara has already made up their mind. They will pull the lever, not because they like to see people die, but because they have already decided what the best option is. The big difference between Asgore and Chara is that Chara has no regrets. While Asgore will hide within himself, cast his gaze to the floor, and try not to fully acknowledge to himself what he is doing, Chara will stare you straight in the eyes as they reroute the trolley onto your track.
I don't know if this intentional but Chara's face during the battle has a similar illusion that the original Asgore sprite did where it is the person's face in shadow but it also looks like a large creepy smile.
I'm gonna be honest, the combination of dual knives and official attire makes them look kinda goofy. I want to clarify that I am trying to give conscructive criticism. With that, the knife in their left hand being held backwards is unpractical and makes them look defenseless, and the other knife being in a constant raised-ready-to-stab pose also makes little sense, assuming this is the idle sprite. If I were to change this(which, I admittedly couldn't, as I have the art skills of expired salt) I'd just change the poses of the arms to get the lower one into a stab-ready position and have the upper one in a defensive position, ready to block(even if it isn't a mechanic, it would make them look more dangerous, and like they know what they're doing.) Nice song though. I had thought of the line "Don't fuck with this ambassador!" before, but this is also cool.
I love the idea that Chara wears Groucho glasses whenever they do anything public and one pacifist ending has you start a coup by bringing people to the fight and knocking the glasses off.
Considering Frisk is one of the characters who took Toriel's role alongside Asriel, I love how people decided that Reunited is their leitmotif as shown here
Bergentrückung is a Germanic mythological motif that describes the disappearance of heroes or rulers into a mountain, where they remain until they return to reclaim their land from enemies or the Antichrist. This concept is rooted in European folklore, with varying degrees of expression across different cultures. In the context of Undertale, the term Bergentrückung is used to describe Asgore, the king of monsters trapped under Mt. Ebott. This correlates with the literal meaning of Bergentrückung, "Mountain Rapture," and reinforces the game's themes of underground realms and hidden histories. In literature and mythology, Bergentrückung is often associated with the idea of people disappearing from the human world without dying, only to live on in the underworld. This motif has been documented in various European cultures, including Germanic and Slavic traditions. In summary, Bergentrückung is a mythological concept that describes the disappearance of heroes or rulers into a mountain, with connections to European folklore and the Undertale narrative.
If this were to be ShiftShift, it would only make sense to have this kind of arrangement: Flowey's mind: Alphys Vengeful first fallen: Undyne Ruins guardian: Asriel Underground's chief: Chara Flamboyant wanting-to-be Royal Guard: Napstablook Royal Judge: Happstablook Royal Guard Captain: Papyrus (at long last) Royal Scientist: Sans Timid ghost: Asgore The Underground's star: Toriel (What have we done.) The being you train on in the Ruins: River person The out-of-mind assassin: Gaster The river boater: The mannequin (most likely it's automated) The being that speaks in hands: Mad Dummy
(some geno text idea) "Human." "Seems you finally arrived." "Althought i suppose your name is frisk." "Your name has been heard quite a lot around here." "most of the monsters saw you as their hero. Most of them as their saviour." "..." "..." *"Its that why you killed my brother asriel?"* "Ha. You do have a soul. But." *"You have no soul for me."* "Ahem........... let's start." "I, chara Dreemurr declare you..." *"GUILTY."*
The one in control really sounds triumphant It really shows that chara is willing to shank a kid for monsterkind What else would you do in this situation?
Personally on titles Chara would be "The One in Control + POWER" And Frisk one would be "The Fallen Child + DETERMINATION", and while i can get why in this there are certain letimotifs of certain songs, it strangely could fit Frisk too.
Hey, Toadie, you're a little harsh if someone misgender Chara and Frisk. I understand it might be annoying, but I wanted to mention just in case that not all languages have gender-neutral forms, so some people might be mistaken because in their language, they use the masculine form in neutral contexts and just think that way even in English or if they're not that good in English and need to use a translator. Also, great music, good job.
To add onto your comment in many languages Chara and Frisk have to be either male or female, you don't have a third option like you would in, let's say Japanese language, or plethora of weird English-only options. Please understand non-americans, they do the best they can with what they've got.
You are correct that not all languages have gender neutral pronouns or use he/him as the default (and most people I've seen use she/her for Chara which is less likely a language barrier issue!), and I fully understand and respect that. I have, however, specified right here the pronouns that are acceptable to use for Frisk and Chara. It'd be unreasonable to say "don't misgender Frisk/Chara/etc." and refuse to elaborate what their actual pronouns are, but that is not the case. (And if they choose not to read the description? That's their own fault.) This is a decision I've made for the sake of my own mental health, as I do not want to have to correct (or in some cases debate) everyone every time it happens. I know it's not always out of malice but I think it's entirely reasonable to set these boundaries and to stick by them.
Also, I think I can say from personal experience that it's not _just_ annoying and can often times feel very hurtful, no matter the intent (and no matter who it's directed at).
@dashingtoadie thanks for defending your choice of erasing comments here, I think it helps people feel more comfortable in this case, specially since your deleting only the hurtful ones ( aka: misgendering an character that is explicity said to use certain pronouns )
@@dashingtoadie Actually it is possible that in some languages, people use she/her for Chara, because for example in Polish names ending with "a" are usually feminine. But I think it's mostly because of the community, since there's a lot of fanart portraying Chara as a girl. I don't mean anything bad, I understand misgendering can be hurtful. I just feel bad about someone who will had their comment deleted because they accidentally assigned the wrong gender to a character, they might feel sad about it. But I understand it's for your comfort, I'm don't wanna argue with you about deleting comments. I just wanted to make sure you know that sometimes it might be unintentional. And if I ever misgender anyone or any character, I apologize in advance, it probably means I was tired when I wrote the comment or rushed while typing and didn't notice.
While I think this song is good The almost cheery sounding beginning of DETERMINATION doesnt match at all with the incredibly dramatic build up of The One in Control DETERMINATION overall kinda feels a bit too upbeat for the circumstance While the song is good it doesnt really fit imo
no entiendo que quiso decir con eso de chara o frisk pero igual quien puede perder el tiempo en discutir sobre el sexo de un personaje ficticio excepto los de wattpad eso si discuten para sus fanfics
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I'm redoing the pinned comment because there's some additional clarification I could've given that I hadn't yet (and frankly I didn't feel like cleaning up the reply chain), that should hopefully at the very least clear up where I'm coming from.
In any of my AUs (including one-off songs), Chara (and Frisk) go by they/them pronouns.
Any comments misgendering them *will* be deleted.
As someone who is themself non-binary, whether intentional or not, it is extremely uncomfortable to be misgendered or witness others being misgendered. I also don't have the energy to constantly correct people, and potentially risk starting arguments over it.
It's not a "headcanons" issue, within the context of Undertale and AUs that aren't my own, as much as I have my own opinions on the matter, I see no issue with Frisks and Charas of any gender. But within the context of my own AUs in which these things are deemed canon, deliberately going against that is kind of disrespectful, even if "they're just characters". I wouldn't like it if someone decided to have headcanons about _my_ gender identity and preferred pronouns, I don't think anyone reasonable would either.
(Accidents can happen, but I can't easily differentiate between a troll and an honest mistake here. "Perks" of the autism. Don't take it personally if your comment was deleted.)
Thank you in advance for understanding my boundaries here. This isn't something I uphold anywhere else, but this particular song seemed like it would be quite a hit (and it was!) in comparison to other songs that prominently feature them that I knew "moderating" this one would've been a nightmare.
Since Chara is president, could there theoretically be a route where we wait until their term is over and run a campaign against them and change human policy? That would be the funniest way to defeat them.
lmao true
Undertale(?) having a second Lizard Route wasn't something I was anticipating...
"I'm trying to do it by electoralism so I give them the idea that they have a choice" -Shadow the Hedgehog
"Hey bing bong whats up?" - Da Devil (from Da bible)
@@Sov_spoiled that book there says "the bibble"
"You see, we are making the mother of all omlettes, Frisk."
"Monsterkind can't afford to fret over every egg."
“Frisk… standing here, I realise-”
y ou
@@ToomatoSooupYO U
Frisk: "..." (thats a great argument but why dont you back it up with a source!)
Chara: "my source is I made it the *fuck* up"
"WHY WON'T YOU DIE?!"
"Determination, son!"
"Frisk, inside you are two souls."
...
*"I'm gonna take one."*
fr it’s rude to hoard souls
soul inside me
@@lackluster4777FRIEND INSIDE MEEEEE
they're going to take both
Friend inside me
I’m just imagining that instead of it being a garden with a throne for asgore, it’s just an office like the one in the White House which would be hilarious to fight in.
And the window is near the barrier and they both just try to push each other out of the windiw
*Human.
*Your species has beyond disappointed me.
*My hate for you is uncountable.
*But I suppose all hatred must be put aside for moments like these.
*You will resist, fight, flee and struggle.
*But it doesn't matter. You can't do it forever.
*You don't have control over it.
*Or maybe you'll give in, making it easier for both of us.
*In any way.
*Today.
*The Underground...
*will reek of human blood.
I don't think chara woule remember resets you do. I think flowey remember resets only because he doesn't have a soul so his memories can't be reset
@@youyououmf8200 what
does that have to do with my comment
@@unchok_985 nope. Btw, your comment is pretty good
@youyououmf8200 Well, by your logic, Chara would remember. Chara doesn't have a soul. Also, Flowey only remembers because he was also able to reset before, he had the power, so he can remember.
@@aidencalhoun4893In this au, chara has a soul so they wouldn"t remember
i imagine in this Au Asgore and Toriel found away to peirce the barrier to beg humanity for freedom, I also imagine that it didn't go well, as they never returned. the responsibility of power fell on both Chara and Asriel, not sure who should be leader, they held an election. Asriel ran with the promise of prosperity and piece with humanity. but Chara impulsively promised humanity's destruction and revenge for the fallen monarches. Monster kind was rightfully angery for what happened to their beloved king and queen, so despite being human and not even the monarchs biological child. Chara won with a near-unanimous vote. Many years later Chara is older and more wise. they have come to relise how impolseive their intent to destroy Humanity was. but they belive that they can't go back on it, they represent hope for monster-kinds future. so how could they deny monster kind what they've earned.
I like to imagine that monsters would know Chara had a not very great relationship with humans themselves, even if they were human themselves. I feel like that alone would give Chara more authority on what humans were supposed to be like, even if it was a very biased pov.
basically in this au toriel and/or asgore died
Really like how different the vibe of this song is compared to the original. It sounds a lot more hopeful and even a bit bittersweet as apposed to tragic.
It feels like you go into the fight with far more sure idea of what you’re doing and a more concrete sense of who you’re dealing with
"I thought that if this day was to come, it would of happened sooner."
"Guess some unrest still was there."
"I wish I had more to say."
"But considering how far you've pushed to get here."
"You probably wouldn't be convinced now, right?"
"Well."
"If there's any doubt in your mind, please take your time."
"The last thing I want is a unfulfilled end here."
"You still have something I want."
"Give it to me."
____/______/_____
I know you have it.
Give. Me. Those. Waffles.
@@abbysmall5989 But it refused
Ok I never imagined Chara with glasses and now I won't stop to
It's kind of fun to imagine she would have grown to need glasses, but she never gets that far in most universes.
@@jacobp.2024You misgendered Chara, prepare for your comment to be deleted
@@MOTOROIL9000 NO. YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME.
@@jacobp.2024 I’m not the one doing it
@@jacobp.2024You misgendered Chara? Prepare for death-
“So, you think you’re the one in control, huh? *I think we can fix that.* “
I am immediately head canoning that Asriel takes the place of Toriel in this AU and Chara’s fear/hatred towards humanity is what split apart their friendship. Chara still feels like they are the hero and saving monsters from humanity’s wrath by collecting human souls to break the barrier, but Asriel’s attempts to stop them before leaving to the ruins have left a nagging feeling of guilt in their conscience that they are trying to bury. Great job!
Fun fact! Both Asriel and Frisk takes the role of Toriel here
I was thinking of Asriel dying, but Chara somehow surviving, Flowey is still created and is basically Chara's puppet, being the one who will absorb the souls and break the barrier as Chara cannot do that (cuz of being a human)
I feel like what I'm thinking would be in an AU following more closely normal UT, maybe it's an AT
I just LOVE when people make AU Chara's without Megalo Strike Back.
MSB isn't a bad song by means, but I don't like how the old fanfom randomly decided that sn Earthbound fan song was Chara's theme.
I mean I don't think it's _that_ random. The song is called Megalo Strike Back, giving it strong ties as what is essentially a sequel to MEGALOVANIA, AND it's from the same fan album Fallen Down originates from. It is perhaps a strange choice for Chara in particular but I'm pretty sure the only reason people even associate it with Chara is because of that old Dreemurr Reborn animation that heavily uses it.
I personally am not a big fan of using it unless I can reasonably justify it for like "lore reasons" but at this point I'm so used to it having been in the fandom for... 7 years now? That it doesn't strike me as terribly odd that it's used for Chara. It's kind of a neat remnant of the past, in a way.
i did not mean to go on an entire loredump on you here but i don't know what to cut out, apologies duenwjrjwjrg
i personally like chara themes either way
@@dashingtoadie Common Toadie W. Using MSB for Chara can be fun sometimes but OUAT is def their main leimotif
@@theladiescallmesonawhat does OUAT stands for?
@@A_H1kikOm0riOnce Upon a Time
At this rate, Chara will be elected preside--oh. Well then.
*Chara means business... only because their last speech was 15 minutes ago
"It's been a while since I've seen another one of my kind. It's strangely... nostalgic. I suppose I should thank you for coming all this way.
Come closer."
Loving the inclusion of the subtle Penumbra Phantasm in the "His Theme" part, most people never realise it's in UNDERTALE!
maybe one final boss theme referencing another?
(Deltarune might reuse Penumbra Phantasm)
"I need souls. And LV. Wanna know why? I have a dream. That every monster in the underground will be able to think for themselves. The underground of the truly free, damn it!"
Humans are cruel Frisk, and I’m very in touch with my inner person
"Humans can be cruel, Frisk... I should know, I am one."
this is genuinely one of my favorite fan themes period omfg.. idk how to say it but it feels so emotionally charged
In this AU you don't have to bring a butterscotch pie all the way from the ruins to Chara to decrease their stats, you just need to reply to anything they say with 🤓
No Gods, No Kings, No Man
Only Determination
Really love the intro, sounds like a fleet of airships are coming in overhead
Chara theme without MSB leitmotif??
Impossible!
* You and Chara stand at the end of the underground.
* It seems your efforts have lead up to this.
* You are filled with…uh…I don’t get paid enough for this.
Imagine falling into the underground and then somehow managing to become the ruler despite humans sealing monsters underground
must be either really well liked or a dictator
seems they're just universally beloved
In the original Undertale, Chara was seen as a sign of hope for monster kind. Its not at all far-fetched to assume they'd be elected as president.
POV: You stole Chara's chocolate and now they're pissed
and also president
OMG wait does this mean the reverse AU of this says "Asgore." when you kill everyone
"* You are filled with Asgore."
you are filled with fingers
@@genericgamer1131🤨
@@genericgamer1131 That sounds dirty or that could mean you ate asgore
Asgore will be a Flowey role. Basically Asgore dies in the war so Toriel becomes Queen, thus raising Chara and Asriel on her own who were born much earlier. Chara grows up to be the new ruler and they never met Asgore
Wow, this has some really emotional parts! Great song, and also, I really like how Chara dresses in this, it definetely feels something that fits their gender neutral appearence
i like this a lot!! first time ive seen someone make 'chara leitmotifs' be something that's not one of the megalos
The real "Shiftshift" Au UST...
Just... Perfection
oooohh these songs are so good !!
chara’s outfit also rocks. this song made me start thinking about a non-swap/shift au with chara as ruler of the underground and (maybe) asriel as the caretaker of the ruins. it’s no unlikely toriel and asgore are dead if this takes place during undertale and an au like this could cover asriel and chara’s expectations they’ve had put on them, by themselves or by others and could be really interesting. also if you can save/load then it could be explored what makes you more determined than chara, or why they may have lost hope. another reason could maybe be that their determination has been extracted somehow or something was done to make them less determined, maybe more similar to monsters and whatever was got out of that process has been used to extend their lifespan
a Chara soundtrack without using Megalo strike back or Megalovania!?!
I Kneel.
These have been a thing for years. They can just be heard outside of SoundCloud now
This sounds... Strangely joyful for ASGORE. As if Chara DOES want to kill humans, which would be in-character for them. Not killing to free everyone, but killing because they enjoy it.
Actually the intent was that it was a bit more on the bittersweet side for the exact reason you rejected lol
Chara here definitely doesn't WANT to be doing this but they're trying to look at the bright side, confident that they'll bring salvation to the monsters of the Underground so they can finally see the Surface again.
Yeah… I don’t hear what you’re hearing. It sounds hopeful yeah, but not joyful. It does not at all sound like a theme for a Chara that _enjoys_ killing humans. Like asgore before them, this theme sounds like the theme of person who doesn’t _want_ to fight you, but feels like they *have* to.
Here’s a third interpretation that I think would be more accurate to the theme of the song.
This is the theme of a human leader for the monsters, who is determined to do anything to save the monsters that have treated them kindly. They have long cast away their doubts and qualms against slaying their own kind for the sake of destroying the BARRIER.
Or is it?
When you listen on the flute and piano bridges, you notice that their resolve is not as iron-clad as either side believes. Chara knows that the human is a good person who wants the best for monster-kind too.
Even the An Ending leitmotifs in the song, hint towards the fact that Chara sincerely wishes that they didn’t have to fight to the death, that there is another resolution to this matter.
But Chara knows the suffering of the monsters deeper than the human does…
*And they’ll do anything to put an end to it, for not a moment longer, it should continue.*
notice how the motifs throughout Determination slowly get less and less happy as the song progresses.
first the flute from undertale (joyful), then the menu theme (happy but sorta neutral), then reunited (happy yet solemn), then his theme (homely, nostalgic, and a bit bittersweet), then respite (VERY bittersweet now), and finally a section of baath (heroic, but sad).
To build on what the other commenters are saying, this isn't a Chara who takes pride in what they're doing, it's a Chara who is entirely convinced that what they're doing is just.
To Chara, this is a case of one life versus many lives. It's a trolley problem, in a sense, and Chara has already made up their mind. They will pull the lever, not because they like to see people die, but because they have already decided what the best option is. The big difference between Asgore and Chara is that Chara has no regrets. While Asgore will hide within himself, cast his gaze to the floor, and try not to fully acknowledge to himself what he is doing, Chara will stare you straight in the eyes as they reroute the trolley onto your track.
Oh President Dreemur...
Why the hell does this hit harder than any Chara song using Megalo Strike Back?!
with the first note I thought it was gonna be different 💀
This feels like Chara is going to punish all of humanity for the way they treated them.
love the song, and now im intersection in the AU, earned a sub definitely cant wait to hear more of your music.
chara got elected for president!!!!!!
yippie!
I don't know if this intentional but Chara's face during the battle has a similar illusion that the original Asgore sprite did where it is the person's face in shadow but it also looks like a large creepy smile.
I'm gonna be honest, the combination of dual knives and official attire makes them look kinda goofy. I want to clarify that I am trying to give conscructive criticism. With that, the knife in their left hand being held backwards is unpractical and makes them look defenseless, and the other knife being in a constant raised-ready-to-stab pose also makes little sense, assuming this is the idle sprite. If I were to change this(which, I admittedly couldn't, as I have the art skills of expired salt) I'd just change the poses of the arms to get the lower one into a stab-ready position and have the upper one in a defensive position, ready to block(even if it isn't a mechanic, it would make them look more dangerous, and like they know what they're doing.)
Nice song though. I had thought of the line "Don't fuck with this ambassador!" before, but this is also cool.
i see what you mean with the knives but I kinda like the official attire
@@gremlin2239 Yeah I do too, but either a different weapon or a single knife would be better suited IMO
undertale's always been really goofy with things like that, so to me personally it kinda fits in weird way.
I mean it's a kid
@@lindatory1886 I'd presume Chara is an adult here if they're the goddamn president
*I wish you a pleasant afterlife partner.
*Goodbye.
Yee-haw
How many times the mercy button has to suffer from whoever is taking Asgore's place?
God this is an absolute banger, and it’s actually creative unlike most Chara themes.
OOH I thought I was the only one who had an AU idea with Chara replacing Asgore
"I wish we could eat chocolate, but alas. it has to be this way, dear monster. Im sorry, little one"
I love the idea that Chara wears Groucho glasses whenever they do anything public and one pacifist ending has you start a coup by bringing people to the fight and knocking the glasses off.
chara with glasses is a nice choice
Groovy 1:14 now thats sick as heck
Edit: this could also be canon for chara's theme
Also its Groovy Here Too 4:00
dude, I love the one in ontrol becuase of the use of the intro and main theme song not being a meglo strike back remix!
Chara with them glasses giving me heavy perseverance soul vibes
Damn Chara got some insane drip
Average Megalovania/Megalo Strike Back is Charas theme fan vs Average Once Upon a Time is Charas theme enjoyer
"the one in control" sounds tragic (not the name, the song itself)
2:28 is that *Minecraft*???
That's Respite, actually
@@dashingtoadie that's the joke, because it's an Undertale song but it sounds very similar to Minecraft
I would love to see the au where humans lost the war instead of monsters
isn't that just OVERTALE? (idk the lore pls don't hurt me)
Woah that would be really cool!!
I love Nonbiney Dictator Chara. I love the design. It just looks goofy, imposing, and nonbiney in equal parts.
Looks female to me
Considering Frisk is one of the characters who took Toriel's role alongside Asriel, I love how people decided that Reunited is their leitmotif as shown here
Bergentrückung is a Germanic mythological motif that describes the disappearance of heroes or rulers into a mountain, where they remain until they return to reclaim their land from enemies or the Antichrist. This concept is rooted in European folklore, with varying degrees of expression across different cultures.
In the context of Undertale, the term Bergentrückung is used to describe Asgore, the king of monsters trapped under Mt. Ebott. This correlates with the literal meaning of Bergentrückung, "Mountain Rapture," and reinforces the game's themes of underground realms and hidden histories.
In literature and mythology, Bergentrückung is often associated with the idea of people disappearing from the human world without dying, only to live on in the underworld. This motif has been documented in various European cultures, including Germanic and Slavic traditions.
In summary, Bergentrückung is a mythological concept that describes the disappearance of heroes or rulers into a mountain, with connections to European folklore and the Undertale narrative.
Here it is...
Finally
It's better if the first part is named: Die Einzige in Kontrolle. That's the German version and it fits more because the original is also German.
Just because the original is in German doesn't mean any other things inspired by it have to be named accordingly.
*Frisk would like to talk but they have no voice.
honestly kinda surprised final power didn't make an appearance here somewhere even if it was just in the bass or something
Chara looks like an elementary school teacher
Impressive sprite work for that character 👍
big fan of how the last few notes that use Last Goodbye work with the loop
If this were to be ShiftShift, it would only make sense to have this kind of arrangement:
Flowey's mind: Alphys
Vengeful first fallen: Undyne
Ruins guardian: Asriel
Underground's chief: Chara
Flamboyant wanting-to-be Royal Guard: Napstablook
Royal Judge: Happstablook
Royal Guard Captain: Papyrus (at long last)
Royal Scientist: Sans
Timid ghost: Asgore
The Underground's star: Toriel (What have we done.)
The being you train on in the Ruins: River person
The out-of-mind assassin: Gaster
The river boater: The mannequin (most likely it's automated)
The being that speaks in hands: Mad Dummy
(some geno text idea)
"Human."
"Seems you finally arrived."
"Althought i suppose your name is frisk."
"Your name has been heard quite a lot around here."
"most of the monsters saw you as their hero. Most of them as their saviour."
"..."
"..."
*"Its that why you killed my brother asriel?"*
"Ha. You do have a soul. But."
*"You have no soul for me."*
"Ahem........... let's start."
"I, chara Dreemurr declare you..."
*"GUILTY."*
Wait since Chara was in the one medic in team fortress 2?
Dr.Ludwic are medic not Chara.
this sounds like undertale ost 71 (undertale the song) but if it was a battle theme
very cool
i wish to make a fangame with it
When the his theme leitmotif came on i was doing it at the same time
this is fire tho
The one in control really sounds triumphant
It really shows that chara is willing to shank a kid for monsterkind
What else would you do in this situation?
is it okay if I maaaaybe use this for a fangame collection once I actually learn how to use gamemaker studio (with credit)
Personally on titles Chara would be "The One in Control + POWER" And Frisk one would be "The Fallen Child + DETERMINATION", and while i can get why in this there are certain letimotifs of certain songs, it strangely could fit Frisk too.
Chara they like chocolate on their mouth
Im confused as to what this means
@@blu3m0nkeyI think it’s a reference to Kanye who likes fingers in their ass
@@blu3m0nkeykanye west he likes
I rephrased "Kanye West he likes fingers in his as" since this is Chara's ASGORE after all.
Hey, Toadie, you're a little harsh if someone misgender Chara and Frisk. I understand it might be annoying, but I wanted to mention just in case that not all languages have gender-neutral forms, so some people might be mistaken because in their language, they use the masculine form in neutral contexts and just think that way even in English or if they're not that good in English and need to use a translator.
Also, great music, good job.
To add onto your comment in many languages Chara and Frisk have to be either male or female, you don't have a third option like you would in, let's say Japanese language, or plethora of weird English-only options. Please understand non-americans, they do the best they can with what they've got.
You are correct that not all languages have gender neutral pronouns or use he/him as the default (and most people I've seen use she/her for Chara which is less likely a language barrier issue!), and I fully understand and respect that. I have, however, specified right here the pronouns that are acceptable to use for Frisk and Chara.
It'd be unreasonable to say "don't misgender Frisk/Chara/etc." and refuse to elaborate what their actual pronouns are, but that is not the case.
(And if they choose not to read the description? That's their own fault.)
This is a decision I've made for the sake of my own mental health, as I do not want to have to correct (or in some cases debate) everyone every time it happens. I know it's not always out of malice but I think it's entirely reasonable to set these boundaries and to stick by them.
Also, I think I can say from personal experience that it's not _just_ annoying and can often times feel very hurtful, no matter the intent (and no matter who it's directed at).
@dashingtoadie thanks for defending your choice of erasing comments here, I think it helps people feel more comfortable in this case, specially since your deleting only the hurtful ones ( aka: misgendering an character that is explicity said to use certain pronouns )
@@dashingtoadie Actually it is possible that in some languages, people use she/her for Chara, because for example in Polish names ending with "a" are usually feminine. But I think it's mostly because of the community, since there's a lot of fanart portraying Chara as a girl.
I don't mean anything bad, I understand misgendering can be hurtful. I just feel bad about someone who will had their comment deleted because they accidentally assigned the wrong gender to a character, they might feel sad about it. But I understand it's for your comfort, I'm don't wanna argue with you about deleting comments. I just wanted to make sure you know that sometimes it might be unintentional. And if I ever misgender anyone or any character, I apologize in advance, it probably means I was tired when I wrote the comment or rushed while typing and didn't notice.
oh no what happened for the underground to turn into a republic
Perhaps it's a constitutional monarchy?
Can I use this in my videos?
I think that if you give credit on a pinned comment or in the video you could
Idk tho
chara and frisk and a under/tale and you cant say that it is not real!!1!!!!1!1!1!
Is there a name for this AU?
theyre a little slay in both of the ways
cheres approved 🔥
CHARA 2024! MAKE THE UNDERGROUND GREAT AGAIN!!
WOW!!!! LE EPICCCC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yea id give em my vote
While I think this song is good
The almost cheery sounding beginning of DETERMINATION doesnt match at all with the incredibly dramatic build up of The One in Control
DETERMINATION overall kinda feels a bit too upbeat for the circumstance
While the song is good it doesnt really fit imo
This look like someone in inverted fate
* Frisk.. WHERE DID YOU PUT THE FUCKING CHOCOLA-
if chara was a president they would probably get assassinated
Kid named SAVE
I bet they would assassinate the assassinater before they even got the chance.
The assassin makes move but chara just glares at them menacingly and they whimper like a dog and leave
question, whats the bpm for DETERMINATION?
i wanna try and make a remix of it :)
sounds too happy in major key
What is this AU???
Support comment
WOULD YOU STAB A CHILD?
chara:
chara gets assassinated (20XX)
you got crumped
Whats this au called?
no entiendo que quiso decir con eso de chara o frisk pero igual quien puede perder el tiempo en discutir sobre el sexo de un personaje ficticio excepto los de wattpad eso si discuten para sus fanfics