Hey folks! Here is the complete list of upgrades made to the build along with the Sidegrade and Upgrade recommendations! Also, let me know in the comments if you agreed with my changes, what upgrades you would recommend instead, and what commander for Lord of the Rings: Tales of Middle-Earth you want to see me cover next! ---------------------- Creatures ---------------------- Generous Ent >>> Meriadoc Brandybuck Orchard Strider >>> Samwise Gamgee Butterbur, Bree Innkeeper >>> Gyome, Master Chef Eagles of the North >>> Galadriel, Gift-Giver Landroval, Horizon Witness >>> Peregrin Took Revive the Shire >>> Elanor Gardner Sylvan Offering >>> Academy Manufactor Evolving Wilds >>> Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose Woodfall Primus >>> Braids, Arisen Nightmare Great Oak Guardian >>> Blossoming Bogbeast Call for Unity >>> Nykthos Paragon ---------------------- Instants ---------------------- Mortify >>> Path to Exile Fumigate >>> Generous Gift Graypelt Refuge >>> Beast Within Scoured Barrens >>> Mortality Spear ---------------------- Sorceries ---------------------- Commander’s Sphere >>> Rampant Growth Pristine Talisman >>> Nature's Lore Fell the Mighty >>> The Battle of Bywater ---------------------- Enchantments ---------------------- Harmonize >>> Trail of Crumbs ---------------------- Artifacts ---------------------- Trading Post >>> Idol of Oblivion Hithlain Rope >>> Bolas's Citadel ---------------------- Lands ---------------------- Ash Barrens >>> Llanowar Wastes Shire Terrace >>> The Shire ---------------------- Sidegrades ---------------------- Trail of Crumbs >>> Killer Service Braids, Arisen Nightmare >>> Jaheira, Friend of the Forest ---------------------- Further Upgrades ---------------------- Bilbo, Birthday Celebrant >>> Alhammarret's Archive Prosperous Innkeeper >>> Rodolf Duskbringer Mentor of the Meek >>> Bennie Bracks, Zoologist Motivated Pony >>> Archangel of Thune Assemble the Entmoot >>> Parallel Lives Galadriel, Gift-Giver >>> Anointed Procession
@@MrSuperfrat mana base with fast mana, dual/shock/fetch lands, ancient tomb, etc., tutors such as demonic, vampiric, and enlightened tutor. Some standard staples like Esperanto sentinel and teferis protection.
Jaheira, Friend of the Forest seems so good she should be in the original upgrade list. Marionette Master should probably be in there too unless it's just much of a flavor fail and obvious. People wanting to build around Bilbo's 111 life ability probably want Ajani, Mentor of Heroes, Whip of Erebos, Soul's Attendant, and Soul Warden.
Another suggestion for this deck is a new card from this set called Call of the Ring. It helps Frodo get to 2 tempts pretty quickly if you play it turn 2, frodo turn 3, and turn 4 you'll have 2 tempts. It also draws you an extra card whenever you get tempted, so in a way it doubles Frodo's draws
Glad to see the deck upgrades. I'm going to build this deck but I am strictly trying to make this a very flavorful LoTR deck. There are some cards that I will add that are from other sets but glad to see that alot of people are enjoying The Hobbit Duo first and foremost
Nothing wrong with going all on on LotR for this one! A lot of the Food support in the upgrades came from the LotR set and the deck is pretty strong out of the box - so you can have the deck be flavorful and still be good at the table for sure!
this looks to be the most fun deck flavor wise... pun intended. I wish that you or anyone would also try and make an upgrade guide for one of these decks with cards just from the LOTR set to keep it in universe, even if academy manufactor is so good in this precon
This is my favorite precon of the set. Really liking the upgrades, but I may sacrifice some better synergies in favor of flavor, keeping some of the worse cards just so it is only an LoTR stuffed deck. Thanks for the input!
Glad you enjoyed it! I'm also happy to see food get more support since Gyome, Master Chef was one of my favorite builds to work on and now we have even more tools to support him (and this deck is pretty sweet too)!
I used to scoff at food decks, but man, this upgrade makes the deck pretty cool. Also, figured I'd also suggest squeezing Marionette Master in here. It'll definitely make your opponents sweat when you start sacrificing food tokens.
@@eerie_shroom8500 cauldron familiar etb would trigger samwise givng you a food token, you sac the familiar to a sac outlet then sac the food you just created to bring the familiar back. Repeat until opponents are drained.
@@ObviouslyDiego cauldron familiar etb would trigger samwise givng you a food token, you sac the familiar to a sac outlet then sac the food you just created to bring the familiar back. Repeat until opponents are drained.
Glad you think so! We work pretty hard on these (especially the precon upgrades since we want to get them out as quickly as possible too) so its nice to hear that folks are enjoying them!
Love the changes! The one card I’m surprised didn’t get mentioned is Disciple of the Vault. I thought it would be a shoe-in given the sheer volume of food tokens this deck can make, coupled with its low cost mana and price-wise
You bring us a good point - Disciple of the Vault would certainly be right at home in this build. It has low power and weaponizes our food, so I can easily see it slotting in. Great suggestion!
In the same vein Nadier’s Nightblade would be a good add as well. Also since you added Nykthos Paragon, it plays well with Marionette Master as the counters make the Master’s power larger and this dealing more damage.
Great guide as always! Hosts of Mordor will be an interesting guide to watch since the primary commander [[Sauron, Lord of the Rings]] is more a reanimator strategy but for 9 CMC while the secondary commander [[Saruman, the White Hand]] is more spellslinger/orc tribal. To add an extra twist, it does not come in the precon but [[Sauron, the Dark Lord]] comes out in the LTR set and is fighting for a top spot with how good it is! I may put the Dark lord as my commander, not certain yet!
Fantastic episode! Love how easy to understand your builds are. Hoping for a Riders of Rohan precon upgrade next! (Torn between choosing this precon or that)
You are correct! Sadly this was a mistake included in the MTG Goldfish page for the precons as they released that was not corrected until after the video was made, so I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.
Happy to hear that you enjoyed it! Honestly, there was just so much food centered stuff in the new set that is wasn't too hard to stay in the "Lord of the Rings" flavor for this one (With just a handful of outliers).
Thanks for the video! Love that many of the upgrades have also used LoTR art cards too - trying to keep the deck upgrade to be 100% new art is challenging but ok that I don’t mind if it’s not too upgraded 😊
I am unsure if I am missing something but I am going through my pre-con and path to exile is already in here and I can't find some other cards? Am I missing something?
Sorry about the confusion - I was using the Decklist Provided by MTG Goldfish for the Precons as soon as they dropped - www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/the-lord-of-the-rings-tales-of-middle-earth-commander-decklists - and at the time of release they had incorrectly included Sylvan Offering instead of Path to Exile.
I agree that if we want an additional way to weaponize our food vs pumping our board - Marionette Master can easily be slotted into the CMC 6 slot over Nykthos Paragon.
Not bad but the food can be weaponised even more with adding Jaheira, Friend of the Forest to the deck which will speed up so many of the win conditions. For example Mirkwood bats + Academy Mnaufactor on the board. Stockpile the food/clue/treasure so you can tap x = 10 for Farmer cotton and generate 10 food/treasure/clues from Academy Manufactor + 10 halfing tokens = 40 damage to each opponent. Agent of the Iron throne as well, coupled with sac'ing clue tokens and the mana to do so with Jaheira is very powerful due to double commanders.
Wouldn't Archangel of Thune's ability only proc once per food token. Looking at Gatherer it seems like it only procs per "life gain event" not per life.
Why does Archangel of Thune give +3/+3 for every food token cracked? I'm pretty sure it counts as a single life gain and you can only put +1/+1 on all creatures, sounds broken otherwise
Thoughts on "Agent of the Iron Throne"? Considering you'll have 2 commanders and various different ways of sacrificing lots of artifacts at once, I'd imagine that could take all your opponents' life totals down pretty fast. And, as a slightly stranger suggestion, "Tayam, Luminous Enigma"? It's probably not the ideal card but I happen to own one and I'm wondering if it's worth adding, considering the low mana curve and the fact that a lot of the creatures enter with counters on already.
Always love the content!! Would love to see an attempt at an upgrade for Cute-Brute... I always love how your videos have such a great balance of flavor/power!
Glad to hear you enjoy it! Honestly, I haven't even looked at the decklist for Cute to Brute but seeing as the base deck is $150, doing a budget upgrade for it seems like a bit redundant...
If I wanted to slot in Witch of the Moors, Nadier’s Nightblade, Cauldron Familiar and Disciple of the Vault what would be your recommendations for swaps? I like the idea of using my food as damage and would rather lean into that.
Nice, tis one of the precons I'm buying. I REALLY want to keep it a strictly LotR deck, but sacrifices might have to be made. I also feel like Merry and Pippin m8ght be better than Frodo/Sam?
What do you think about the cauldron familiar combo with sam (the one whit kids on the art) and viscera seer? Is it more cEDH the deck if i am considering it?
Can't wait for the Commander Masters' lists. I think you could make probably 3 videos out of the Enchantment commander ALONE! With strategies still not touched! (honest, i think all of the LOTR precons are super weak and boring)
Wait, new Grazzet vid already?! Didn't we just have one? Smells like yet another Dina, Stew Steeper deck; she combos with a hand sandwich as is. I think for new players or folks that like to try a ton of different things, Grazz is the one to follow. I've often taken a Grazz build and morphed it into something far scarier
Yep, with the Precon Upgrades, I like to get them out as quickly as possible, so look forward to a extra episode or 2 coming soon! And yeah, these build can easily be used as building blocks to refine and tweek over time with increased budgets or with cards that better fit your playstyle / playgroup - so hopefully new players find them useful!
i upgradde my deck with your changes, excep pararel lives and anoited procession. yesterday bought a set boster of eldrain collection and I got a necropotence, an ashiok, how would you see that combo in this deck when it can generate many lives?
Love your videos! They have got me back to magic after 20 years and helped me break into commander. I was wondering why you set the base deck price at only $30? At my game store they were $60 and even on Amazon they are $52 a piece if you order all 4. Anyway, keep up the content. You rock man!
Glad to hear you enjoy the content! Regarding the deck prices - I deck price I set it to is $40 base then add in $35 worth of upgrades. As for how I determine the price, usually its based on the cheapest I can find - which is usually through GameNerdz - www.gamenerdz.com/magic-the-gathering-the-lord-of-the-rings-tales-of-middle-earth-commander-deck-set-of-4
It would probably just be to convoluted to do, but I want to add Attractions to this deck and have Swinging Ship. That way we can refer to additional combat steps as "second breakfast" 😁
If you want to focus more on the combo kill with Samwise Gamgee - I would recommend cutting Essence Warden (whose passive lifegain is less good for the combo kill) and Feasting Hobbit (whose food consumption is decent but again, is better for a longer game than the combo kill). Hope that helps!
When playing with Partner commanders - they are both in the command zone (track their commander tax seperatly) & the color identity of the deck is the colors of both commanders combined (in this case - white, black, and green).
Weird... I used the deck lists spoiled by MTGGoldfish - www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/the-lord-of-the-rings-tales-of-middle-earth-commander-decklists - so if those are inaccurate, I apologize.
It seems like I may have gotten a print error in my copy of the deck. Instead of a Sylvan Offering, I got a Path to Exile in the box. Not complaining, but I doubt everyone who got an error was so lucky
i got the same thing, i think the deck lists these youtubers are using are just a little wrong there, i've seen two other channels make the same mistake with the same cards
First off just wanna say Big fan Grazzet, love your content and I wanted to mention Chatterfang is disgusting with all the token generation going on with this deck ❤
That is a valid concern. Personally, I didn't run across any mana issues when testing (since Sam, Loyal Attendant dies a good job at reducing the cost of us cracking our food and the builds ramp package is very solid out of the gate), but bumping it up to 36 lands just to be safe is perfectly valid.
Você parece bem perdido hein uishauihsas. Fica difícil dele explicar o que você tá perguntando sendo que é bem provável que ele não fale português. Cara, seguinte. Esse vídeo que ele fez tem o objetivo de melhorar o Precon dos Hobbits (Food and Fellowship), a ideia é aproveitar ao máximo do deck original, mantendo os comandantes e afins, e trocando algumas cartas que existem versões mais fortes e/ou que combinem mais com o deck.
@@henricocampos vou pegar todos os cards que ele deixou ai na descricao entao, tem um combo ali ne ? tem uma forma de aumento o pl desse deck pra 7-8 com esse upgrade ?
That's my bad! Must have been an oversight when writing the script for this one - which I suppose sometimes slips through the cracks when trying to get these our as fast as possible. Thanks for bringing this to my attention!
GameNerdz is where I do my Precon Shopping - www.gamenerdz.com/magic-the-gathering-the-lord-of-the-rings-tales-of-middle-earth-commander-deck-set-of-4 - which they were preselling for $160 for the 4, but now seem to have increased the price to $180 (making it $45 each)....
Hey folks! Here is the complete list of upgrades made to the build along with the Sidegrade and Upgrade recommendations! Also, let me know in the comments if you agreed with my changes, what upgrades you would recommend instead, and what commander for Lord of the Rings: Tales of Middle-Earth you want to see me cover next!
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Creatures
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Generous Ent >>> Meriadoc Brandybuck
Orchard Strider >>> Samwise Gamgee
Butterbur, Bree Innkeeper >>> Gyome, Master Chef
Eagles of the North >>> Galadriel, Gift-Giver
Landroval, Horizon Witness >>> Peregrin Took
Revive the Shire >>> Elanor Gardner
Sylvan Offering >>> Academy Manufactor
Evolving Wilds >>> Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose
Woodfall Primus >>> Braids, Arisen Nightmare
Great Oak Guardian >>> Blossoming Bogbeast
Call for Unity >>> Nykthos Paragon
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Instants
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Mortify >>> Path to Exile
Fumigate >>> Generous Gift
Graypelt Refuge >>> Beast Within
Scoured Barrens >>> Mortality Spear
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Sorceries
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Commander’s Sphere >>> Rampant Growth
Pristine Talisman >>> Nature's Lore
Fell the Mighty >>> The Battle of Bywater
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Enchantments
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Harmonize >>> Trail of Crumbs
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Artifacts
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Trading Post >>> Idol of Oblivion
Hithlain Rope >>> Bolas's Citadel
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Lands
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Ash Barrens >>> Llanowar Wastes
Shire Terrace >>> The Shire
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Sidegrades
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Trail of Crumbs >>> Killer Service
Braids, Arisen Nightmare >>> Jaheira, Friend of the Forest
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Further Upgrades
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Bilbo, Birthday Celebrant >>> Alhammarret's Archive
Prosperous Innkeeper >>> Rodolf Duskbringer
Mentor of the Meek >>> Bennie Bracks, Zoologist
Motivated Pony >>> Archangel of Thune
Assemble the Entmoot >>> Parallel Lives
Galadriel, Gift-Giver >>> Anointed Procession
You have path to exile as an upgrade but its not in your link
if you had unlimited $$, what would you do for the ultimate upgrade?
@@MrSuperfrat mana base with fast mana, dual/shock/fetch lands, ancient tomb, etc., tutors such as demonic, vampiric, and enlightened tutor. Some standard staples like Esperanto sentinel and teferis protection.
Jaheira, Friend of the Forest seems so good she should be in the original upgrade list. Marionette Master should probably be in there too unless it's just much of a flavor fail and obvious. People wanting to build around Bilbo's 111 life ability probably want Ajani, Mentor of Heroes, Whip of Erebos, Soul's Attendant, and Soul Warden.
Anyone who has a Feasting Troll King should probably try it out.
Another suggestion for this deck is a new card from this set called Call of the Ring. It helps Frodo get to 2 tempts pretty quickly if you play it turn 2, frodo turn 3, and turn 4 you'll have 2 tempts.
It also draws you an extra card whenever you get tempted, so in a way it doubles Frodo's draws
Glad to see the deck upgrades.
I'm going to build this deck but I am strictly trying to make this a very flavorful LoTR deck. There are some cards that I will add that are from other sets but glad to see that alot of people are enjoying The Hobbit Duo first and foremost
Nothing wrong with going all on on LotR for this one! A lot of the Food support in the upgrades came from the LotR set and the deck is pretty strong out of the box - so you can have the deck be flavorful and still be good at the table for sure!
this looks to be the most fun deck flavor wise... pun intended. I wish that you or anyone would also try and make an upgrade guide for one of these decks with cards just from the LOTR set to keep it in universe, even if academy manufactor is so good in this precon
This is my favorite precon of the set. Really liking the upgrades, but I may sacrifice some better synergies in favor of flavor, keeping some of the worse cards just so it is only an LoTR stuffed deck. Thanks for the input!
Exactly the insight I was looking for. I had 95% of this deck I was just missing a few of those upgrades
I absolutely LOVE this deck! Food is such an underrated token especially with life gain.
Glad you enjoyed it! I'm also happy to see food get more support since Gyome, Master Chef was one of my favorite builds to work on and now we have even more tools to support him (and this deck is pretty sweet too)!
I got this precon and with a few upgrades from the main set, the deck can be outright terrifying. One card I'd also recommend adding is Meriadoc.
I used to scoff at food decks, but man, this upgrade makes the deck pretty cool.
Also, figured I'd also suggest squeezing Marionette Master in here. It'll definitely make your opponents sweat when you start sacrificing food tokens.
Does sacced food go to grave?
@Qazplmwsxokn I'm pretty sure all tokens hit the graveyard and then are exiled.
Something to note, if you have Cauldron Familiar in the deck with Samwise Gamgee and a sac outlet you can go infinite
How?
...how??
@@eerie_shroom8500 cauldron familiar etb would trigger samwise givng you a food token, you sac the familiar to a sac outlet then sac the food you just created to bring the familiar back. Repeat until opponents are drained.
@@ObviouslyDiego cauldron familiar etb would trigger samwise givng you a food token, you sac the familiar to a sac outlet then sac the food you just created to bring the familiar back. Repeat until opponents are drained.
Your content and production value are AMAZING!!!
Glad you think so! We work pretty hard on these (especially the precon upgrades since we want to get them out as quickly as possible too) so its nice to hear that folks are enjoying them!
You're my favorite deck building channel bro keep it up!
I appreciate that and will do!
Well, now i'm hungry
Well, this deck certainly has enough to food to feed an army!
It really doesn't help that the food tokens that come with the deck look *REALLY* tasty.
I’m excited to finally weaponize food! Love the suggestions! The game plan seems like life gain and small drain effects. Fun stuff!
Love the changes! The one card I’m surprised didn’t get mentioned is Disciple of the Vault. I thought it would be a shoe-in given the sheer volume of food tokens this deck can make, coupled with its low cost mana and price-wise
You bring us a good point - Disciple of the Vault would certainly be right at home in this build. It has low power and weaponizes our food, so I can easily see it slotting in. Great suggestion!
In the same vein Nadier’s Nightblade would be a good add as well. Also since you added Nykthos Paragon, it plays well with Marionette Master as the counters make the Master’s power larger and this dealing more damage.
I was thinking about getting this precon and I just saw this vid. Thanks Graz!
No problem - hope it provided some inspiration!
Great guide as always! Hosts of Mordor will be an interesting guide to watch since the primary commander [[Sauron, Lord of the Rings]] is more a reanimator strategy but for 9 CMC while the secondary commander [[Saruman, the White Hand]] is more spellslinger/orc tribal. To add an extra twist, it does not come in the precon but [[Sauron, the Dark Lord]] comes out in the LTR set and is fighting for a top spot with how good it is! I may put the Dark lord as my commander, not certain yet!
Thank you for this upgrade video! I love this precon, so you have earned my sub!
Fantastic episode! Love how easy to understand your builds are. Hoping for a Riders of Rohan precon upgrade next! (Torn between choosing this precon or that)
Correction: at 16:17 Sylvan Offering is Not in the Precon Deck. It was replaced by Path to Exile.
You are correct! Sadly this was a mistake included in the MTG Goldfish page for the precons as they released that was not corrected until after the video was made, so I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.
I like how you keep the theme of the upgrades to LotR, while working on making more synergystic changes. Cheers
Happy to hear that you enjoyed it! Honestly, there was just so much food centered stuff in the new set that is wasn't too hard to stay in the "Lord of the Rings" flavor for this one (With just a handful of outliers).
I love the Hobbits, they genuinely feel like the most lore appropriate part of the set.
Hopefully once you finish upgrading all the precons we can see a Shelob, Child of Ungoliant deck tech!!!
It would be really cool to have a "flavouful" upgrade guide to pair with flavourful sets like this one in the future! Nonetheless, great video :)
Path to Exile is already in the Precon, right? As I have seen in the decklists
Thanks for the video!
Love that many of the upgrades have also used LoTR art cards too - trying to keep the deck upgrade to be 100% new art is challenging but ok that I don’t mind if it’s not too upgraded 😊
I am unsure if I am missing something but I am going through my pre-con and path to exile is already in here and I can't find some other cards? Am I missing something?
Sorry about the confusion - I was using the Decklist Provided by MTG Goldfish for the Precons as soon as they dropped - www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/the-lord-of-the-rings-tales-of-middle-earth-commander-decklists - and at the time of release they had incorrectly included Sylvan Offering instead of Path to Exile.
My favorite of the precons. Wish Aragorn, the Uniter was a precon
Excited to try slotting the new "Nuka-cola Vending Machine" in this list. Still considering what gets cut though.
Really nice upgrades. I would put marionette master instead of Nykthos Paragon imo. 4 life loss each time you crack a food token is nice.
I would also try to find a slot for witch of the moor to recur some of our creatures.
Oh that’s a good one! I put together his Braids deck that had it in the list and it can really put the hurt on opponents
I agree that if we want an additional way to weaponize our food vs pumping our board - Marionette Master can easily be slotted into the CMC 6 slot over Nykthos Paragon.
Witch of the Moors would also make a solid addition as a way for us to recur our creatures while forcing our opponents to sac theirs every turn.
Don't forget to pair Marionette Master with Nettlecyst. With the way the deck amass food tokens, it's gonna be bonkers 😆
I'd be so intrigued to see what adjustments you would do to the deck with the new Wilds of Eldraine food cards.
Yes! Ive been looking forward to this one🎉
Yeah this deck is awesome just makes the most food. I love it
Yep, it great to see food back on the menu!
love your videos. Thank you a lot
Not bad but the food can be weaponised even more with adding Jaheira, Friend of the Forest to the deck which will speed up so many of the win conditions. For example Mirkwood bats + Academy Mnaufactor on the board. Stockpile the food/clue/treasure so you can tap x = 10 for Farmer cotton and generate 10 food/treasure/clues from Academy Manufactor + 10 halfing tokens = 40 damage to each opponent. Agent of the Iron throne as well, coupled with sac'ing clue tokens and the mana to do so with Jaheira is very powerful due to double commanders.
yoooo no way already dropped the upgrade vid sick
Another great video! Your videos are absolutely amazing!!! ❤❤❤
Thanks for the kind words and glad you like them!
Cool Video :) Is the food and fellowship also playable in Duell/ French Commander?
Be sure to use the Shelob food tokens, makes devour food much funnier.
Path to exile is already in the deck
Wouldn't Archangel of Thune's ability only proc once per food token. Looking at Gatherer it seems like it only procs per "life gain event" not per life.
7 months later, I kicked the like rock to 1K. That was a satisfying button press 🙂
Why does Archangel of Thune give +3/+3 for every food token cracked? I'm pretty sure it counts as a single life gain and you can only put +1/+1 on all creatures, sounds broken otherwise
I added “Almost perfect” to the deck. Everyone wants to kill Sam well now he’s indestructible and is a 9/10
Notable additions for win cons would be marionette master, nadirrs nightblade, and mirkwood bats. Jaheira makes all the food tap for green.
Mirkwood bats is already in the deck.
So i live in Britain and for some reason sylvian offering has already been replaced with path to exile. Like it's already there
Thoughts on "Agent of the Iron Throne"? Considering you'll have 2 commanders and various different ways of sacrificing lots of artifacts at once, I'd imagine that could take all your opponents' life totals down pretty fast. And, as a slightly stranger suggestion, "Tayam, Luminous Enigma"? It's probably not the ideal card but I happen to own one and I'm wondering if it's worth adding, considering the low mana curve and the fact that a lot of the creatures enter with counters on already.
Do you think combining this precon and strixhavens weatherbloom would be good? If so could you maybe make a deck id love to see that
Always love the content!! Would love to see an attempt at an upgrade for Cute-Brute... I always love how your videos have such a great balance of flavor/power!
Glad to hear you enjoy it!
Honestly, I haven't even looked at the decklist for Cute to Brute but seeing as the base deck is $150, doing a budget upgrade for it seems like a bit redundant...
@@GrazzetMTG fair. It's just a mismatched jumble that could use some cohesion 😅
If I wanted to slot in Witch of the Moors, Nadier’s Nightblade, Cauldron Familiar and Disciple of the Vault what would be your recommendations for swaps? I like the idea of using my food as damage and would rather lean into that.
I think food poisoning is an interesting concept, i never once see anyone in the LotR movies using hand sanitizer.
Nice, tis one of the precons I'm buying. I REALLY want to keep it a strictly LotR deck, but sacrifices might have to be made. I also feel like Merry and Pippin m8ght be better than Frodo/Sam?
Food voltron is fun and thats kinda how I have been playing it so far
I have a few things similar to the treefolk. Gaining life giving +1+1 counters. Making frodo huge fast
What do you think about the cauldron familiar combo with sam (the one whit kids on the art) and viscera seer? Is it more cEDH the deck if i am considering it?
Can't wait for the Commander Masters' lists. I think you could make probably 3 videos out of the Enchantment commander ALONE! With strategies still not touched!
(honest, i think all of the LOTR precons are super weak and boring)
Is there a non-foil or nonextended art version of Gyome, Master Chef?
17:57 isn't path of exile already in the precon?
Swords to Plowshares is in this Precon - Path to Exile is in Riders of Rohan (along with another Path to Exile as well).
I was right after all,lol
You included Sylvan Offering in the cut list but Sylvan Offering isn’t included in the precon
Wait, new Grazzet vid already?! Didn't we just have one? Smells like yet another Dina, Stew Steeper deck; she combos with a hand sandwich as is. I think for new players or folks that like to try a ton of different things, Grazz is the one to follow. I've often taken a Grazz build and morphed it into something far scarier
Yep, with the Precon Upgrades, I like to get them out as quickly as possible, so look forward to a extra episode or 2 coming soon!
And yeah, these build can easily be used as building blocks to refine and tweek over time with increased budgets or with cards that better fit your playstyle / playgroup - so hopefully new players find them useful!
i upgradde my deck with your changes, excep pararel lives and anoited procession. yesterday bought a set boster of eldrain collection and I got a necropotence, an ashiok, how would you see that combo in this deck when it can generate many lives?
Love your videos! They have got me back to magic after 20 years and helped me break into commander. I was wondering why you set the base deck price at only $30? At my game store they were $60 and even on Amazon they are $52 a piece if you order all 4. Anyway, keep up the content. You rock man!
Glad to hear you enjoy the content!
Regarding the deck prices - I deck price I set it to is $40 base then add in $35 worth of upgrades. As for how I determine the price, usually its based on the cheapest I can find - which is usually through GameNerdz - www.gamenerdz.com/magic-the-gathering-the-lord-of-the-rings-tales-of-middle-earth-commander-deck-set-of-4
@@GrazzetMTG thanks for the reply brother!
It would probably just be to convoluted to do, but I want to add Attractions to this deck and have Swinging Ship. That way we can refer to additional combat steps as "second breakfast" 😁
Hey, at least you would get style points!
i mean scurry oak absolutely has a place in the 99 next to rosie cottonwood..right??
Thank you for this!
My pleasure!
Don't forget Battles in your Deck Content Summary just after "0 Planeswalkers"!
this is such a cool precon, game objects go brrrrr
Very good upgrade! Hope you can do one of the Riders of Rohan precon, but going the Monarch way with ARagorn as commander :)
How about adding doubling season in there?
Path of exile is already in the deck
Love your vids Grazzet!
Glad you like them!
Nice work!
qual vao ser os comandantes para o deck ? sou BR
Fun I’m giving this a go!
This deck looked pretty strong outside of the box already and this will probably perform pretty consistently
Yeah, it is indeed pretty solid - so much so that I can see folks running it straight out of the box and still get good results.
Wish he used his speaking voice instead of a voice program
Would love a riders of Rohan video!
That's coming next - so stay tuned!
Love it!!
Happy to hear it!
Im looking at adding viscera seer and cauldron familiar to make the combo with samwise, what would you recommend cutting to add them?
If you want to focus more on the combo kill with Samwise Gamgee - I would recommend cutting Essence Warden (whose passive lifegain is less good for the combo kill) and Feasting Hobbit (whose food consumption is decent but again, is better for a longer game than the combo kill). Hope that helps!
@GrazzetMTG brilliant thanks a bunch dude, can't wait to try it 😀
Are they both in the command zone because I am curious of how the color identity works with these two
When playing with Partner commanders - they are both in the command zone (track their commander tax seperatly) & the color identity of the deck is the colors of both commanders combined (in this case - white, black, and green).
Got the deck today and Sylvan Offering wasn't in the deck also Path to Exile was already in it. Did anyone else have this happen to?
Weird... I used the deck lists spoiled by MTGGoldfish - www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/the-lord-of-the-rings-tales-of-middle-earth-commander-decklists - so if those are inaccurate, I apologize.
@@GrazzetMTG Its fine just wanted to see if its like this for others and love the vid the deck is really fun got off Bilbo in my 1st game with it
It seems like I may have gotten a print error in my copy of the deck. Instead of a Sylvan Offering, I got a Path to Exile in the box. Not complaining, but I doubt everyone who got an error was so lucky
i got the same thing, i think the deck lists these youtubers are using are just a little wrong there, i've seen two other channels make the same mistake with the same cards
thanks for the tips
No problem!
1st here super excited about the LOTR MAGIC
Happy to hear it - so am I!
Compensa comprar esse upgrade ?
First off just wanna say Big fan Grazzet, love your content and I wanted to mention Chatterfang is disgusting with all the token generation going on with this deck ❤
Gyome, Master Chef has not sky rocketed in price for some reason, don't know if it's because of this deck
not sure if 35 lands is enough the deck is super mana-hungry for food and other triggers
That is a valid concern. Personally, I didn't run across any mana issues when testing (since Sam, Loyal Attendant dies a good job at reducing the cost of us cracking our food and the builds ramp package is very solid out of the gate), but bumping it up to 36 lands just to be safe is perfectly valid.
I think the deck needs more ways to be tempted in order for Frodo to draw that card. But that’s just me?
Sylvan Offering is actually in this deck. Just bought it and following this upgrade guide. Doesnt exist.
With all the Upgrades you mentioned I’m starting to believe that Merry and Pippin could be the better commander partners for this deck
better but not as flavorful and fun
Not better
boring ass token go wide deck. Have some creativity ffs
I thought path to exile was already in this precon?? Either way great upgrade video!!
Its Swords to Plowshares that is in the base build.
@Grazzet MTG oh my bad I thought for some reason it had both of them! Good to know! Thanks!! Love the upgrade ideas!!
@@GrazzetMTG The precon has both, I'm looking at it now. Surprising choice, but I'm definitely not complaining.
@@GrazzetMTG mtggoldfish made a mistake. Sylvan offering isn't in the deck, path to exile is
Salmon Frodo
I would ad marionnette master, perfect in this deck and maybe return from the wild instead of nature's lore
No Felidar Sovereign?! What are we even doing here?
Se puder me explicar qual o objetivo desse upgrade e oque ele vai mudar essencialmente e oque ele vai melhorar
Você parece bem perdido hein uishauihsas. Fica difícil dele explicar o que você tá perguntando sendo que é bem provável que ele não fale português.
Cara, seguinte. Esse vídeo que ele fez tem o objetivo de melhorar o Precon dos Hobbits (Food and Fellowship), a ideia é aproveitar ao máximo do deck original, mantendo os comandantes e afins, e trocando algumas cartas que existem versões mais fortes e/ou que combinem mais com o deck.
@@henricocampos acha que compensa esse upgrdae ? melhor mesmo o deck ou nao muda muito
@@lucasramos4000 Compensa o upgrade.
@@henricocampos vou pegar todos os cards que ele deixou ai na descricao entao, tem um combo ali ne ? tem uma forma de aumento o pl desse deck pra 7-8 com esse upgrade ?
@@lucasramos4000 você tem discord ? Fica mais fácil de conversar por lá
I may be bad at math but isnt 37+8+8+5+9+35= 102? So about 2 cards over but otherwise i loved the build!
I see there are only 7 artifacts not 9
That's my bad! Must have been an oversight when writing the script for this one - which I suppose sometimes slips through the cracks when trying to get these our as fast as possible.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention!
No Dina?
Path to exile is already in the precon
Its actually Swords to Plowshares that comes in this precon - but its easy enough to get them mixed up since they are both 1 CMC removal in white.
@@GrazzetMTG And path to exile actually comes in the riders of rohan precon, so you can get LOTR art for it
Hello, Where did you find this deck for 40 bucks?
GameNerdz is where I do my Precon Shopping - www.gamenerdz.com/magic-the-gathering-the-lord-of-the-rings-tales-of-middle-earth-commander-deck-set-of-4 - which they were preselling for $160 for the 4, but now seem to have increased the price to $180 (making it $45 each)....
@@GrazzetMTG Thanks
This decklist is inaccurate sadly, but I do like the upgrades that are actually in the pack