Line 6 HX Stomp or Helix Stereo Imaging Trick AND New Presets!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- Here's a quick Line HX Stomp (or Helix) Trick using a dual delay. This will increase stereo imaging without making your signal "wet" with reverb or a typical delay. Great for playing through headphones or in ear monitors!
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Thanks for watching! How are you getting the most out of you HX Stomp or Helix?
Love it! I hear a little imbalance, with more mix to the right. Tried to back off the right feedback but it didn’t do the trick.....
This was a great tip! This is combination with a Reverb, EQ, and an IR from your free preset you made available made for such a killer sound. I also use the HX Effects unit and just got it set up as my pedalboard into the Stomp. I am using a Deluxe and AC30 sound with snapshots to switch between amps.
Sounds killer!
Like a 30% improvement in overall tone. And for tone junkie that is YUGE! Much thanks Michael 🙏🏻
I found a similar dual-delay trick to use for amp sims on my UA Apollo. The Cooper Time Cube plugin, which models a garden hose delay, has a great default setting: 16ms on the left and 14ms on the right. Blended in subtly it gives amp sim tones a nice dimension. Since the highs on the delay are attenuated you can go anywhere up to 100ms without it sounding like a slapback.
I tend to set up an amp with 2 cabs and increase the room reflections on one of them which really gives a nice open, fuller tone too
Cool idea!
@@MichaelWWestbrook I can’t take credit for that. Came from @HeyWorshipLeader but it really fattens up the sound
Fantastic. I’m a huge fan of room reflections but sometimes it’s too extreme an effect. I’ll be trying this out!
Another great video Michael your tone is always great !
Thanks!
Cool. I am in Atlanta as well.
Wow, thanks for the tip. That sounds really great.
Of course! Thanks for watching!
I'm using the "Double Take" effect for this same purpose, I like it because is a little bit random and not just always 9ms behind, but still I'm definitely going to try this.
Thanks for Sharing ......
I saw pretty much the same thing in a UK 🇬🇧 Computer Music Magazine. They recorded a mono track, duplicated it , took off quantization for tracks then slid it forward 5-10 milliseconds, hard panned them left & right .....
You could also make a perfect ping pong delay that way too, but instead have quantize on and gradually cut volume on each repeat as it occurs after intitial track.
Hi michael and thank you for this very interesting video. Maybe it's already in your schedule but i just want to suggest you to do a quick video about your creative amp preset pack, a quick overview of each preset, 10 seconds of music on each is enough to help people and get a "tone crush".
Thanks for watching! I'll try to work something in
This is called the HAAS effect. It's used in mixing to give the perception that a sound is coming more from one side without panning the signal. It's good if you want to give the impression that an element is more on one side but still in the front of the mix.
I find this technique works well with headphones, but can introduce a little phase cancellation when used with a stereo cabinet like Powercab 212. Thanks for a very informative and interesting video.
Hey Jim. I was wondering if you could make a video showing this, or link to someone else’s video….In my head, the theory of it makes sense….at a particular frequency, the full wavelength would be 18ms, at 9ms, the second speaker would produce the positive frequency wave as the sound wave from the first speaker began its negative wave, with both wavelengths cancelling each other. Im interested to hear at what frequency that would be. Thank you for any feedback you might have, and for bringing up a good point about phase cancellation.
@@jakehall9300 The difference is how separated the sound sources are. You can get away with a lot of phase cancellation with headphones, that’s why you should always check your mix/patch in mono to be sure its ok. Powercab 212 speakers are pretty close to gather and small phase issues might stand out. But that’s kind of how stereo wideners work, so the phase cancellations might be just what you’re looking for.
Great tip thanks. I found that 8ms was thebwlsweet spot for me but I guess fine tuni g it could depend on the size of venue you play etc.
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We’re all bedroom guitarist right now unfortunately! 😂
We’re all bedroom guitarist right now unfortunately! 😂
Man that is awesome
Cool tips, thanks again!
Master! Thanks.
You're too kind! Thanks for watching!
@@MichaelWWestbrook I'm from Brazil, your work on this channel is so incredible. So much high quality content don't stop making it you'll grow on this platform!
Great tip, thanks!
Your welcome! Thanks for watching!
brilliant
One man’s massive verb is another worship guitarist dry signal.
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That’s awesome
Wow. I did not think that 9 milliseconds would make that much of a difference. Have you tried it with modulation turned on?
I haven’t! I’m sure it would be a cool sound but might not be for every situation.
Cool tip.
Man this is crazy nice sound! In very interested about the amp, seting and all the goodness! can you share?
So good!
Did this the other day and it sounded great. Tonight it sounds like there's a little bit of flanger or chorus on there, and there's a 3 or 4 db volume drop. Weird. It's been on forever so maybe I just need to turn it off and back on again.
Sounds like it might have been summed to mono! If your signal is being summed or might be summed to mono this trick doesn’t really work and can introduce phase canceling.
@@MichaelWWestbrook Ah yeah that was it. I'd stuck a compressor on at the end at the last minute and forgot to choose a stereo one. Thanks!
Hey Michael! Great tip! That was what I was looking for! Only one question! This should be at the end of the chain? What happens if I have a “normal” delay?
I use it at the end but it doesn’t really matter as long as everything after it is stereo. You can use a normal delay on top of it or with it.
Great tip. I've been doing very much the same thing in my Helix Floor by splitting from mono to stereo after the amp and putting a simple delay at 10ms on one side. It is very much like the "Wide Stereo Mode" in the Strymon Deco.
Any chance you'd share what tremolo effect you are using at the beginning of this video and how you have it set up? One of the things I have struggled with in Helix is getting a good organic tremolo sound, yours sounds fantastic there.
The trem is from the HX Stomp. I honestly don’t remember which one it was. I tend to like the basic tremolo better than some of the vintage styles ones (which was surprising for me).
Thanks for the reply. It sure sounds sweet.
We should dub this the ‘Haas Hack’ for the stomp. I’m dangerously close to picking one up.
😂 Absolutely! So many features in a small box. Pretty incredible how far things have come.
No doubt. I’ve got one of every flavor, but when I play places like Eddie’s, it’s nice to avoid carrying the amp up the stairs. 😂
Have you ever compared your short delay setup against the double take effect in the stomp?
Yes but won't this trick sound a little phased when played in mono like on someone's phone?
True, not always great summed to Mono. That also depends on what specific delay length you use. Live it was just added to our monitor mixes but as long as the channels are kept stereo or only one is used you are good to go!
@@MichaelWWestbrook I've actually used this trick on electric acoustic guitars to get rid of excessive hum but I hated the sound in mono later.
Doesn't the HX Stomp have the stereo doubler thing? The double take? That does the same thing right?
I believe that adjust a hint of modulation and delay to achieve a similar effect. I haven’t messed with it that much though.
Note: Everyone stops the video at 4:46 to go check their mail. :-)
😂 I tired to edit it out but it wasn’t worth missing that part!
Im a newbie, so every amp drive delay reverb that i will put in a preset in hx stomp 6 blocks will be from stereo?? And im using a reaper DAW for recording.
Hi, do you use the hx stomp with headphone? The headphone out got Not so much Power...
Sometimes but not often. It may have something to do with the impedance of your headphones as well! I’ve not had a problem getting enough volume for practicing
What does this sound like if it's collapsed to mono? Phasing issues?
And yep, that's exactly what happens. Be very careful with this technique and only use it if you're sure that your mix won't be summed down to mono at any point. I know the feeds from our live stream are stereo...sometimes. Sometimes they get summed to mono. Or maybe the listener's system is mono. Guitar will sound thin when that happens.
Yes, absolutely! Especially in streaming scenarios because you never know where down the line it will get summed. Typically I have a monitor engineer do this at the monitor board so I hear it but it doesn’t go to FOH.
is this tip okay even if i’m going mono out from the stomp?
No need to and will potentially have a negative effect on the tone.
Wow you're literally teaching people how to screw up there phase coherency and mono compatibility 😅😅😅
Yep!
@@MichaelWWestbrook Great...
That was very cool! Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!