great video. do you know of any videos that explain compression or multiband compression in a simple and succinct way? Really loved hearing the tonal subtleties.
Multiband is basically just a compressor that you can compress specific EQ frequencies that you decide. Instead of a comp that compresses the whole signal, the Multiband let’s you pick which frequencies you want to compress and how much! Invaluable tool.
@@NoQualmsTheArtist I do nearly everithing with outboard gear. For such a task, i use the AMEK Channel in a Box. You can combine 4 filterbands separate as EQ or sidechain EQ or compression + EQ only, if you want. I'm not enouth skilled in Digital Performer, wich is a sonically great and complex DAW. This is something, i wanna change in the future.
@@jeromelester8 I only use analog summing outside the box now. For elements I want in the foreground that you want to reach out and touch and for gain staging I use Acustica Audio plugins, for things I want in the background I use regular digital plugins. Over the past 20 years I've gone from fully analog to mostly digital for mixing. Tracking I still use analog of course.
To be honest we tend not to worry too much about these aspects. These are characteristics that the manufacturers know way better than we do, as they should. Our only concern is how the machines behave with the music and how we csn use them to make the music sound better :-) We think of gear as we think of musical instruments... if that makes sense!!!!
Doctor Mix Thanks for the reply and I will change the questions way. As an audiophile, I made a multiband stereo compressor cheaply with an analog crossover (aka channel divider in the PA/SR world), three of broadband/monoband stereo compressors and a stereo summing amp for the listening music as BGM. All of these units are commercially available. However, my crossover's slope characteristic is only 24dB/Oct. So I want to know the actual slope characteristic of the multiband stereo compressors which are commercially available (as an expensive equipment for just a poor audiophile). It will definitely be a hint to the doubt that "should I change my crossover to the digital one which has 6dB/Oct and 12dB/Oct settings?" As you know, there are also tons of "multiband comp plug-in" for DAW, but the manufacturers don't disclose the slope characteristics and they don't even make it variable. Does it mean the mix engineers are insensitive to this? I don't believe so as one who respects the mix engineer's sense.
Judging by the sound of it I would say that it is between 12 and 24 dB per octave. But it’s not a matter of being insensitive to the tech stuff, it’s a matter of concentrating on the music. I can’t hear any significant phase issues around the nodes and the sound seems to maintain consistency when sweeping those crossovers, and that’s the extent of my concern about the subject when I’m using a multiband compressor. Hope this explains.
bleeding highs, somehow tubetech always got trouble on the high end always sounds like a can sound and dissolve transients...a shaker and hihat by example get dissolved so they start have the same color of transients and smeared out structure on the transients .. a shaker should have that shuffling noise and the sound of rice corel kinda seeds hitting each side of the end as a instrument , these details feed the analog and organic feeling of sound , but anyway bet its good on metal sounding instrument ...brass , guitars maybe , banjo ,
I noticed that too; I have the impression it's bc Doctor Mix chose a ratio that is too high for the midrange band (killing the dynamic range too much), as well as an attack that is too fast that is not allow enough transients to go through for optimal fullness or punch.
It sounds great but the updated Softube plug in version is so good, you don't need to spend the money for the hardware.... Unless you have the money for the hardware and like working with hardware. But no one will be able to tell in a mix if it was the hardware or software version
The best sounding multi-band compressor ever made!
I have one and can agree with you 100%
I checked it against the maselec mla4 and trust me, the mla4 is a gear above it. But it still is a wonderful piece gear. Pure bliss
Glad to see you guys are back with the #gearporn!
There's lots more on the way!
Already can't wait for the next gear review! Great work DoctorMix!
I have the acustica version and it's pretty sweet. Still, to have the real thing is certainly where it's at
Sounds great!
It sounds like magic
it should have some wet/dry on each band.. it would be unstoppable.
That's a cool idea! :)
nice one Doctor!
Super!!! The dream of every DJ
Your videos, man.... the gear lust. I need a bib :P
wow! What a great piece of gear!
Oh sh... !!! Really great piece of gear!
Hey Dr. Mix Team, already here in Portugal we know your Vids. Thanks for that and make more about hardware vs. Software. Good work!!!
Thanks for watching!
I'll never own one. But I can dream
maybe someday friend... when u have one please invite me :D
Don’t say that man! You never know when you might get lucky!
Please note the link for the full review is missing in your description!
Whoops! Should be fixed now. Thank you for pointing that out :)
clean and subby low, better mids and brighter tube-like highs
What are those rack screws you are using? They look good on the gear!
Hi, They look great right?! They actually came with our Studio Desk Music Commander.
great video. do you know of any videos that explain compression or multiband compression in a simple and succinct way? Really loved hearing the tonal subtleties.
Thanks for watching! Maybe we'll have to do a video explaining compression ;)
Multiband is basically just a compressor that you can compress specific EQ frequencies that you decide. Instead of a comp that compresses the whole signal, the Multiband let’s you pick which frequencies you want to compress and how much! Invaluable tool.
Lovin' these
Very nice video! can you use it for mastering a stereo mix? thanx..!
How does it compete with the new "IGS Multiband Compressor"?
Last example was bad because the song was good but you should put this through some weak drums and see.
you can't go wrong with tube-tech.
I've often wondered which sounds better, Tube techs hardware, or plugins?
For this type of thing, plugins are often a better choice, and rely on the rest of the analog chain for the color and sweetness
Nice Compressor. Try Vocal Demo Upload
Try OCEAN from acustica.....
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A fully multiband compressed mix is the sound of anxiety.
What's the difference between this and the SMC 2BM version, beside the price of course? I know the M version is for mastering.
Rasterized potentiometers for "Total Recall".
I'm not a fan of a multiband comp - it's more for problem solving and smears the sound to much for my taste. Anyway, i love TUBE-TECH and my CL 2A!
Yeah not a big multiband fan either for complex material. I use it to tame the low end sometimes when needed. But I don't mind a C4 on lead vocals.
@@NoQualmsTheArtist I do nearly everithing with outboard gear. For such a task, i use the AMEK Channel in a Box. You can combine 4 filterbands separate as EQ or sidechain EQ or compression + EQ only, if you want. I'm not enouth skilled in Digital Performer, wich is a sonically great and complex DAW. This is something, i wanna change in the future.
@@jeromelester8 I only use analog summing outside the box now. For elements I want in the foreground that you want to reach out and touch and for gain staging I use Acustica Audio plugins, for things I want in the background I use regular digital plugins.
Over the past 20 years I've gone from fully analog to mostly digital for mixing. Tracking I still use analog of course.
Doctor Mix What do you guess the Characteristic of crossover slopes? 6dB/Oct or 12dB/Oct or other?
To be honest we tend not to worry too much about these aspects. These are characteristics that the manufacturers know way better than we do, as they should. Our only concern is how the machines behave with the music and how we csn use them to make the music sound better :-) We think of gear as we think of musical instruments... if that makes sense!!!!
Doctor Mix Thanks for the reply and I will change the questions way. As an audiophile, I made a multiband stereo compressor cheaply with an analog crossover (aka channel divider in the PA/SR world), three of broadband/monoband stereo compressors and a stereo summing amp for the listening music as BGM. All of these units are commercially available. However, my crossover's slope characteristic is only 24dB/Oct.
So I want to know the actual slope characteristic of the multiband stereo compressors which are commercially available (as an expensive equipment for just a poor audiophile). It will definitely be a hint to the doubt that "should I change my crossover to the digital one which has 6dB/Oct and 12dB/Oct settings?"
As you know, there are also tons of "multiband comp plug-in" for DAW, but the manufacturers don't disclose the slope characteristics and they don't even make it variable. Does it mean the mix engineers are insensitive to this? I don't believe so as one who respects the mix engineer's sense.
Judging by the sound of it I would say that it is between 12 and 24 dB per octave. But it’s not a matter of being insensitive to the tech stuff, it’s a matter of concentrating on the music. I can’t hear any significant phase issues around the nodes and the sound seems to maintain consistency when sweeping those crossovers, and that’s the extent of my concern about the subject when I’m using a multiband compressor. Hope this explains.
Doctor Mix I appreciate your reply. Thank you very much.
bleeding highs, somehow tubetech always got trouble on the high end always sounds like a can sound and dissolve transients...a shaker and hihat by example get dissolved so they start have the same color of transients and smeared out structure on the transients .. a shaker should have that shuffling noise and the sound of rice corel kinda seeds hitting each side of the end as a instrument , these details feed the analog and organic feeling of sound , but anyway bet its good on metal sounding instrument ...brass , guitars maybe , banjo ,
sound destroyer like radio multiband. this guy does no critical review.
I like the way it sounds. It's all preference. Great music is made with this.
This result is also available with a good multiband compressor plugins.
without any vibe yes :(
showing off the 33609 there ;)
wow.....i want one sooooo bad, but damn the price kicks me in the nuts..cough cough!!!
Top...Nota 100
I think it sounds better w/o the MBC. It's really dragging the life out of the recording, esp. the midband.
I noticed that too; I have the impression it's bc Doctor Mix chose a ratio that is too high for the midrange band (killing the dynamic range too much), as well as an attack that is too fast that is not allow enough transients to go through for optimal fullness or punch.
He's doing a lot of reduction. Could be good for just peaks
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no detents and too loose pots make it useless on anything that would need recalling, like... master bus
also no band muting or soloing, this thing is badly designed
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It sounds great but the updated Softube plug in version is so good, you don't need to spend the money for the hardware.... Unless you have the money for the hardware and like working with hardware. But no one will be able to tell in a mix if it was the hardware or software version
i don t think there is a plugin of this multiband comp