Way too many variables between platforms. Best thing to do is look up a guide for your specific board. If you can't find one head on over tot he overclocking forums.
Thats almost impossible. Every manufacturer calls settings different names, every bios is different from each one. Look up your board or at least your manufacturer
NZXT likes to screw other manufacturers out of sales by forcing you to buy NZXT specific parts. He should have thrown the EVGA 280mm AIO on it and really pushed their buttons.
yea i was like how do he get 37c with m22, thats what im using and mine is around 50 in idle even when i have my power management plan on power saving.
Update: on 1.25V cpu is running at this voltage 100% of the time, temps are lower but even in idle it runs at this voltage. Cinebench 20% loss. Reached out to AMD and they assured me that 1.46V is totally fine as soon as voltage stay is “Auto” in BIOS. Wtf??? So is 1.46V safe or not? Should it be undervolted or not??? 😭P.S. ryzen 3900x
1.47V is normal. The stock voltage parameters are, 1.325V max for all core workloads, and 1.47V max for single core workloads. The stock memory and SoC voltages are not however. Also, DOCP is Asus' term for XMP, and the SoC voltage is also for the IMC. Basically VCCIO and VCCSA on Intel, are VSoC on Zen.
Something or other is goofy about this series though. I recently purchased a 3600 and on the stock cooler it idles at 55-60c (it hops all over the place no matter if its ryzen balanced or windows balanced power plan) and hits 90 under a cinebench load and if i try to run two back to back I get thermal shutdown at 95. Ive reseated the cooler a few times, and despite the 60 idle, the cooler is not warm at all. So i dont know if there's an issue with the core to ihs transfer or IHS to heatsink, but something is goofy.
CORRECTION Sandy/Ivy Bridge did NOT max OC at 4.3ghz, the average OC was 4.7ghz from Sandy-Skylake. Ivy is when they went from solder to TIM and heat was more of an issue. Kaby Lake is when they they increased the fin height and wider pitch within the process to allow less voltage needed to hit a certain MHz, and allowed higher overclocks to 5GHz. Since, they have refined it more so now 5GHz is average OC, 5.2 is possible. TIM was the main issue since Ivy that would get chips hot but you could hit 4.5ghz on an EVO 212 and 4.7 on a larger cooler or AIO. Hell, my buddy had a delidded 3770k in a custom loop that he ran at 5GHz 24/7 for a few years. So really there wasn’t a change in frequency until Kaby Lake.
I thought ram could go up to 3733 before the infinity fabric divider would kick in. Excited to play around with this on the 3900x i have on the way. Thanks for this video
would I need to boost the FCLK to 1866mhz to get 3733mhz? and if this is the case what else would I need to do to make sure its stable? thanks i really do want to reach 3733 and not default to 3600 if even for minor results.
Robert from AMD already explained that on reddit. Its perfectly fine. It was designed like that. Its too technical so I cant explain it properly but you can read it on reddit www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbls9g/the_final_word_on_idle_voltages_for_3rd_gen_ryzen/?
@@426Studios He said it's normal but nothing about it being safe 🤷♂️ Wonder why I can't find an answer on the long term effects of running a zen2 at 1.4 volts
Thanks for this video: a lot of times you don't get to hear that. And this is still relevant as of late May 2020. Taking advantage of the price drops, I built two new rigs, one of them a 3900X encoding box w/a H110i PlatinumSE on X570 (other specs don't matter). At stock, my 5 min temps after Prime95 were 83C and idles were 54C or so. After tuning the excessive voltages, I max at 58C after 15 min of the same, and idle around 38C. Obivously, with AMD especially, the better the temps at steady state, the better your clock speeds.
Jay, Do a series on what each memory setting in the BIOS does or effects. How to use those settings to determine the best setting for a memory module. How settings are relative to each other. Then go through all of the settings in a particular BIOS one BIOS at a time. That should keep you busy and out of trouble for some time.
Jay, thank you for making this video. I am very glad I watched it before plonking a Ryzen 9 3900X into my ASUS ROG Crosshair Hero VI X370 motherboard. You helped me keep the temps under control. I thank you.
oh man, gtx 650's go for $30 on ebay now. even a 760 would be a massive improvement. like 50% more frames in games. if your i5 is 2nd gen or better it might still be decent.
jay, i think for a long time, you and several other you-tubers have attracted at least , some majority percent of your audience as gamers - we come to your channel learning about all the new products etc, but i have a feeling there is a shift, that some larger percent of your audience is now content creators, video editors, professionals etc ( people not gaming ) - and the reason is, that there are now sooo many great, used, older cpus, that are far less expensive and offer very competitive gaming performance as anything thats brand new and on the shelf at the moment. i think gamers are more interested in saving some money, and still getting there frame rate goals . after all my own research, i dont think i can ever justify buying any of the recent generation of cpus / motherboards and memory. example, im using an ancient, antique, dinasour xeon, x5675, overclocked on air @ 4.5ghz, and it runs my vega 56 at 99% , no bottlenecking, and i get 100-144 fps all day on my 1080p freesync display. i paid 20 bucks for that cpu. even the vega 56 i got used for 250 usd. anyway thought i would chime in. i dont think its about building an overkill overpriced machine anymore - its a balance of price to performance ratios and building a system to meet your goals. obviously for those gamers out there that have no budget concerns, everything i have said doesn't apply, but im sure that of the fraction of your audience that are just building for games, its another small fraction of those who have no budget concerns. in otherwords, the majority of gamers looking to build a system do in fact have a good mind to save coins where they can. i think you would attract a larger audience, if you would throw in more reviews and rundowns of some of the older cpus / mobos / memory configurations , show us the price points, and the capabilities - and im sure youll suddenly find you have even more views and subs. dont get me wrong i like watching your channel to keep up to date with the new stuff, but i think theres alot more material , and a huge potential to apeal to a larger part of the community by showing us how to build a beast, for very little with older used hardware. thanks jay -
Thanks J, I have the same board and felt like the setting were off but wasn't sure how to fine tune it or even what to look at!! No wonder my 3600x on idle was running so hot.
I dk why everyone is still expecting amazing manual overclocking from ryzen. I understand most people are used to times when there was a lot of free performance left on the table (especially on the Intel side), but ryzen hasn't been like that for a long time and I don't think it's a bad thing. Shouldn't people be happy amd is already doing a very good job overclocking their CPUs for you without you having to void your warranty? Just plug it in, turn xmp on for your memory, and move on knowing you're probably within 5% of your CPUs max performance with 0 effort. That's a perk if you ask me and bravo to AMD to doing such a good job with their precision boost or whatever they are calling it nowadays.
He also applied manual voltage which will impact single core boost speed, these chips require 1.5v to hold their rated single core turbo this video was pointless IMO.
@@gupsterg6171 Where have you seen it stated that LN2 mode sets high voltages? From my understanding, it simply allows the system to POST when the CPU is in sub-zero temperatures. With LN2 disabled under these conditions, there would be a sort of boot bug that restricts the system from POSTing. Whether or not LN2 mode works its magic via higher initial CPU voltages, I can't confirm.
@@robp4616 I have in the past read posts by Elmor on OCN, he used to work in ASUS ROG MB R&D. Then you'll note a post on OCN C8H/C8F owners thread, post 50 by Silent Scone, he's a mod on ROG forum and has close ties with ASUS.
@@gupsterg6171 Interesting. I mean, it does make sense to up voltages in lower temperatures -- thinking similarly as CCA in automotive batteries, although that's not a perfect comparison.
I'd like to see overclocking on some of the lower core count SKU's. Also, if you could throw up a video talking about 5700XT overclocking, that'd be pretty sweet too. :)
I’ve found that I needed to knock off auto because it’s overvolting by default , and gone from 65c idle to 35-40c idle by using 1.25 and turbo on llc. I think I can gave up a little speed for a lower electrical bill and a system what doesn’t need a 360mm aio to run it’s fans on full to look at the internet and read my emails.
Yea you are 100% correct to decrease vcore, though Ryzen says you shouldn’t. According to Ryzen: It's not a secret. We tell you the limits right inside Ryzen Master, the free tool we built to tell you this information. It's at the top of the window. FACTORY SOCKET POWER LIMITS • 95W-105W Processors: 142W • 65W Processors: 88W FACTORY CURRENT LIMIT FOR THERMALLY-CONSTRAINED VRMs (TDC) • 95W-105W Processors: 95A • 65W Processors: 60A FACTORY CURRENT LIMIT FOR ELECTRICALLY-CONSTRAINED VRMs (EDC) • 95W-105W Processors: 140A • 65W Processors: 90A TEMPERATURE LIMIT • 95C STOCK VOLTAGE RANGE • 0.200V - 1.500V Q: WHAT VOLTAGE IS SAFE? A: The one the CPU picks on its own. The firmware is actively monitoring and managing more chip health data than you can possibly imagine or digest--every second--to ensure performance is being reliably maximized for n cores under load at y temperature for x time. Stepping in to fix a static vcore, because you "feel" something about what the CPU is doing on its own, or you misread what someone said on the internet, won't help you. It will likely subtract performance (reduced Vmax = reduced perf), and it will likely raise the average voltage the chip experiences over a 24H period vs. what it will self-manage to on its own accord (you've disabled idle voltages). If the purpose of setting a manual vcore was to reduce voltage, you missed: you actually just raised the average voltage. OKAY, BUT WHAT ABOUT OVERCLOCKING? A: Experiment. Just like every other processor. There are some very smart people doing this work out there. ;)
@@rcradiator Unless you adjust the fclock manually, yes. Most CPU's should be able to run the IF at 1900 when RAM is at 3800. I don't know if lower end boards can even adjust that though, I know the MSI MEG X570 Creation can, and the Crosshair, I wonder if the 200-300$ boards can...
@@Qyngali does this mean i need to boost the infinity fabric manually to 1866 or 1900 (if it) can so i can still reac 3733? other wise would going 3733 while its at 1800mhz go into 2:1?
@@deadpool790 If you leave the fclock on auto it'll switch IF to 1:2 if you set RAM to above 3733. 3733 will still be 1:1. I haven't heard anyone get the IF to run higher than 1900... and on LN2 it seems to hate high IF speeds. Not that that matters to most people. :)
@@Qyngali yah I'm reading overclock.net another person said they had a friend hit 1900 as well. I want to try to do this once I get everything but of course my goal is to 3733mhz cl 14 with my b-die 3200 cl 14 kit (trident royals) if 1900mh infinity fabric is stable even better.
thats asus fault jay! other manufacturers like gigabyte have good voltages even on the same AGESA code as the crosshair viii. Asus bios department is a disaster lately.
Just got my 3900x, right now I "undervolted" to 1.25vcore max and applied oc to all cores @ 4.2ghz. I still need to touch up the other voltage, but as it stands, I'm barely touching 70c on a very passive fan curve.
When you make the next video and test more games can you also test the games by running them on one CCX at a time? Using Windows Affinity in task manager on the game so that only the first 12 threads are being used, I’ve heard this will increase FPS and improve frametime delivery. I am looking at buying the 3950X later on and using Affinity so that 16 threads on one CCX is used for the game and 16 threads on the second CCX is used for OBS streaming although perhaps only needing to set up the game this way and letting OBS run wild across both CCX would be fine too, much testing to be done!
Jay! Thank you, you helped me build my first pc. (Cable management sucks) fell into the commons you indicated in your cable management video. However, now I have a 9th generation i9-10900k processor. How do I know how much voltage to increase to go from a 3.7 base to something reasonable like 4.5? I'm so lost in these overclocking videos. You rock bud!
@@Safetytrousers Igor from IgorsLab got already a pre-production sample From the EK rx5700xt vector fullcover blocks..... rockstable 2,1GHz without ANY mods... just increased core clocks, and a little bit power limit th-cam.com/video/kK3isGg9nDw/w-d-xo.html playing with power tables: 2,2 GHz: th-cam.com/video/LjHV9LPxzTs/w-d-xo.html
Just ordered 3900x asus x570 rog board with ddr4 3200 rgb ram gonna temporily run it on 360mm rad with gtx 1080 then later upgrade it to 3x 360mm rad did not buy upgrade with overclocking in mind tho but will OC it in the future. Currently running 5820k @ 4,2 ghz with 140w tdp 3900x runs way cooler on stock least so i can run it on 360mm rad till june.
Hey I love the video. Do you think you could do one explaining all these different overclocking attributes and explain them. Also do you think you could make a video describing this with the MSI x570 Meg ace board. I feel so overwhelmed with all the options.
Man I wish I could afford a pc from you. Your such an amazing person. I love your passion for this work! Much love to you! I look forward to more videos!
I'm using an asus maximus VIII with intel 6700k. My cpu temp was hitting 90c while gaming I couldn't understand what's wrong. I have blamed my corsair h110i and RMA'd it, got a new one and the result was same. I had no overclock or anything standing out UNTIL I realised out of the box CPU voltage is set to 1.4v... moved it down to 1.2v and since then I never had any overheating. Also with a BIOS update they fucked up XMP profiles, after 2 patches they fixed it. I think it took about a year. This is why I'm not going to buy Asus this time, last 2 motherboards I got from them (z77 sabertooth and maximus VIII) wasn't as good as they advertised. I'll let Gigabyte disappoint me this time :)
Early bios? good thing i'm upgrading in January lol looking at getting the 3950X, good memory and a Corshair 8 Formula and cooling would be done with my open loop with 4x 120mm fans worth of radiator high single core clock would work nicely for Factorio and a megabase, keeping up that UPS. letting you build an even bigger base
Just a side note sort of thing.......... the whole studio under construction kinda suits what you do, build rigs. With the OC stuff and watercooling etc. And caddywampus....... someone is a fan of AvE, hee don't worry I am too, the number of times I ask for a swedish nut lathe and get very puzzled looks......seriously, his stone flinger vid has me laughing my ass off. And right now I 'm running a small OC on my now very old FX 6300..... my worry is the vrm temps, aircooled cpu (412S cooler), an old mobo too Sabertooth 990 FX but she runs quite happy. My concern is longevity, only a small OC (10%) but the vrm's run, to my mind, quite hot (50 degrees science). I know it's a ramble but the question I have/alluded to is how long do mobo pixie wrangling bits last? Great Tee Shirt btw
looked this vid up because I have a 3900x, had a progress bar 1/10th of the way for viewed because I probably thought I'd never have a ryzen 3000 let alone a 3900x. Let's see what is said
problem with this is, a lot of BIOSes are constantly changing and are just laid out much more differently makes a guide like this a lot harder to make.
@@d-o-n-u-t a lot of the basics for AMD bioses are generally the same, with some things renamed here or there. My Gigabyte a320 bios is similar to my x570 bios even. Tackling at least team Red's bios setup wouldn't be too hard to explain and map out in a video for a general idea at least, especially since the hardware all functions on the same general features/firmware
Lol x370 ch6 latest bios 7106 first boot the board tried to shive 1.5 volts in and while boosting it still looks like its agressive as well as manual voltage control is a bit bugged
Finally, someone that talk about all the crap we are suffering, between BIOS, Windows and AMD power plans (Windows working better than AMD in my case), high vcore while idle, and high fan speed, and CPU and FAN boosting for nothing (like opening a new tab on firefox, or a folder on a harddrive). Also what you shown about Far Cry, can be achieved (no OC need it in my Ryzen 5 3600) in almost any game (tried with SOTR and BFV) and it also boost all clocks to 4.05~4.125ish, but utilization is never higher than 50% in some threads. Thank you Jay !
Jay, the BIOS is designed to run at high clock voltage - it doesn't engage cc6 (sleep/low power state), hence the high temperature. Robert Hallock confirmed this today on Reddit.
I wonder what is the AMDs official maximum "safe voltages" for 3000-series. If I remember correctly, AMD said 2000-series was all good up to 1.4V in their official response.
You're right that it doesn't sit at a low power state in BIOS...but even in it's highest power state the voltage should not be that high. Granted this board is probably displaying the VRM output before accounting for droop, but it's not under heavy load so droop won't be much anyway.
It's a different kind of overclocking. It's more tweaking than anything else. AMD has (and this is great) found ways to maximize performance out of the box. The tweaking will be more like what we've seen from GPU's with undervoltage, increasing TDP allowances, better cooling, and letting their algorithms do their thang.
I mean doesn't it make sense from a manufacturer's point of view that their product is the best it can be out of the box? Kind of strange it has taken this long for auto clocking to happen
its not the best out of the box at all. Its literally the way they design their own chips that causes this to happen which is why amd is always behind intel or barely keeps up with some old design that intel only struggles with because of their own design. Its basically a failure actually not a good thing.
Awesome video, thank you Jay. I suspected the 3900X was going to be a poor overclocker, the 3950X not having any of it and the 3800X faring better in that regard. Still, Chiplet is chiplet so the heat is very focused.
i think the new cpus will make OC absolete. they can boost better them selfs... but... id agree that letting the motherboard in AUTO for the Voltage is stupid and probably doesn't let the CPU show its full potential! if you have a website with the proper Voltage of everything as reference would be nice to config them manually in the MB and the don't even touch the core speed..they will go higher by themselves cause they are properly cooled and voltage regulated 🙄
because its largely pointless. Just get the 3700x and manually overclock it. Zero difference between the two other than a 100mhz factory set base multiplier and a price hike lol Oh and the 3800x is 105w TDP vs the 3700x's 65
WTF ASUS Explain yourself! Thinking about all folk around the world not knowing about this issue cooking away they new hard earned new PC. My ROG Formula settings was the same. Have changed all of them now but jeeez, this is truly unacceptable. Bios AUTO voltage being like 0.1-0.3 higher than needed is ok i guess for stability reasons across all CPU's world wide. But 1.46V? Thats insane. ASUS Comment? New bios soon?
just got myself a 3900x 4/4/2020 and was able to hit stable 4.4 ghz at 1.4 volts. Will say the spike in temperatures reaches 60-65*C before dropping. Was happy to find stability at 4.3 ghz 1.37 volts. 40-50*C with fans going full speed on a 360 radiator
1. The links in the description to amazon do NOT link to any products. 2. You don't list the hardware used so we'll never know until you update that. Thanks :)
Don't set manual V-core voltage if you are leaving your clocks on auto. You will destroy your performance. Run cinebench after doing this and you will see. Limiting the voltage causes the core clocks to be limited. I had a -200mv undervolt and my temps, power usage, and clocks looked awesome. Then I ran cinebench and realized it was destroying my performance. The algorithm wants as much as 1.5v on the higher turbo SKU's to hit max single core turbo. If you manually enter voltage and limit it it wont hit those turbos. The high voltage is fine when no or light load is present. There is very little current and won't damage your CPU. This is normal. The voltage will lower to the 1.3 range when fully loaded on all cores and current increases. If you see your "idle" voltage at 1.5v its because your monitor software is presenting a tiny load to the core and causing it to go to full turbo (with necessary voltage). If you look at the voltage using CPU Z the actual idle voltage is less than a volt. This is problem with monitoring software and not the CPU's and bios'. www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbls9g/the_final_word_on_idle_voltages_for_3rd_gen_ryzen/?ref=share&ref_source=embed& The high SOC voltage is a result of installing a high speed memory kit. This is an actual issue that needs to be addressed. This is an issue with Asus mobos on the Intel side as welll with VCCIO/VCCSA. Jay I like your content but there is some terrible information in this video.
best thing to do is set an offset, not a manual. manuals are generally a bad idea anyway. once you know what auto reaches, offsets are best to fine tune.
@@Kojiro3210 Nope. Unfortunately offset will negatively affect performance on the new Ryzen CPU's as well. It's really confusing too. I had -200mv negative offset dialed in on a 3700x. It looked amazing. Heat and power consumption had me grinnig ear to ear. HWI64 even appeared to hold at 4.2 all core in P95 smal FFT. Then I ran cinebench. Single core went from 205 to 143. Multi core was 1500 something. Don't mess with the voltage if leaving clocks on auto. It's possible you may be able to use a very small offset without killing performance too drastically but i think its better to just set a max temp in the advanced PBO settings if your temps are too high. I'm afraid a lot of people coming from 2nd gen Ryzen PBO overclocking are going to try using offset and not realize they are nerfing their CPU performance.
Ryzen line up is interesting to me. I've been overclocking everytthing since...late 90s but Ryzen is the first CPU i've owned I just feel I have no need to OC. the boost does its job really well.
@Patrick Williamson He's overclocking amds current flagship and at the end he explains why there's not much headroom and say he thinks that we'll see improvement amd that with the little overclock he had he saw pretty large performance increase and is planning to see if this scaling remains the same across multiple titles please explain how this is shilling for AMD and nvidia about the only "pro" Intel thing in this is that Intel has a more mature process which is true they've been using the same process for years not it's not him shilling its him stating facts so I disagree with you that he's shilling cause he's not and the reason why he's using unrealistic setups is to test the architectural improvements as a whole not to do a dollar per frame analysis of a computer build
9700k is a few fps higher in most games but I don't think it's worth the extra money or the extra power draw. 3700x wins in every non game multi thread test though
multi core / multi threading will only become more prevalent. far cry 5 was a start and laid some "groundwork" about it. game devs will focus more on using the entire CPU and not only a single core performance. you cannot go wrong with AMD anymore - i know there was a stigma about AMD being worse for games due to single clock - and they weren't wrong, but that will change (actually it already started changing). even if that wasn't the case, i would ALWAYS go for more cores/threads rather than single core, because number of reasons: 1) in current games if i hide FPS, i CANNOT tell the difference between the AMD CPU or the intel one 2) new games (that are CPU intensive at the very least) will focus on multi core performance 3) i like having a more versatile CPU that would cut time significantly when doing something anyway, this new technology will last you for a very, very long time. i'll probably go with 3950x. i know it'll cost quite a bit, but i also know i won't have to upgrade it for at least a decade (well probably even 2 if i'm gonna be honest here). the only worrying thing is the temperature, but it's not the CPU's fault, but rather motherboard's and manufacturers will do something about it soon in form of updates.
@@LikeVenom18 and just to add to your devs going multicore, Microsoft and Sony said Zen2 will be in consoles next year, which would mean they are not only designing their game engines for multicore but specifically for Zen 2 first.
I overclocked my 3900x to 4.4ghz all cores at 1.3875 volts, SOC just under 1.2v on my MSI b450 vhd pro. I thought I could go higher after I bought a x570 board, but no... I think this is the limit. In cinebench r23 multicore I got 17300~ on stock and after overclock just above 20000.
i'm curious, did ASUS by default left the ln2 jumper on....my maximus iv exteme did so....maybe if you turn ln2 mode off, the voltage did not crank that high.....my humble request, can you confirm this jay?
Only difference is the X370 won't have PCIE 4.0. The VRM and memory trace layout might be better or worse depending on the model but that has nothing to do with the chipset.
Jay, you need a video series that explains all the settings in BIOS. This information is scattered all over YT.
Way too many variables between platforms. Best thing to do is look up a guide for your specific board. If you can't find one head on over tot he overclocking forums.
Thats almost impossible. Every manufacturer calls settings different names, every bios is different from each one. Look up your board or at least your manufacturer
Different manufacturers have different bios layouts and names. Actually hardcore overclocking has most of them covered on his channel.
Even though Buildzoid have all the tutorials and walkthroughs of the bios settings, I think Jay would explain it better for the masses.
What motherboard do you have?
“Gets sponsored by NZXT”
Uses corsair cpu cooler
Top 10 anime betrayed
NZXT likes to screw other manufacturers out of sales by forcing you to buy NZXT specific parts. He should have thrown the EVGA 280mm AIO on it and really pushed their buttons.
Lol 😂
yea i was like how do he get 37c with m22, thats what im using and mine is around 50 in idle even when i have my power management plan on power saving.
Ok
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Duuude my temps dropped after watching this video! Was 74 degree in stress test with ML360R, Now-56 degree! Thank you so much!
Update: on 1.25V cpu is running at this voltage 100% of the time, temps are lower but even in idle it runs at this voltage. Cinebench 20% loss. Reached out to AMD and they assured me that 1.46V is totally fine as soon as voltage stay is “Auto” in BIOS. Wtf??? So is 1.46V safe or not? Should it be undervolted or not??? 😭P.S. ryzen 3900x
Love the shirt, Jay!
EDIT: LaForge for Secretary of Energy, right?
Worf for Secretary of Defense
Crusher for Secretary of Health and Social Care
Data for Secretary of Security
O'Brien for Secretary of Transportation...lol...if thats a thing
Data would be NSA no doubt.
Sponsored by NZXT, AIO, Corsiar AIO next shot, lol
1.47V is normal.
The stock voltage parameters are, 1.325V max for all core workloads, and 1.47V max for single core workloads.
The stock memory and SoC voltages are not however.
Also, DOCP is Asus' term for XMP, and the SoC voltage is also for the IMC. Basically VCCIO and VCCSA on Intel, are VSoC on Zen.
Something or other is goofy about this series though. I recently purchased a 3600 and on the stock cooler it idles at 55-60c (it hops all over the place no matter if its ryzen balanced or windows balanced power plan) and hits 90 under a cinebench load and if i try to run two back to back I get thermal shutdown at 95. Ive reseated the cooler a few times, and despite the 60 idle, the cooler is not warm at all. So i dont know if there's an issue with the core to ihs transfer or IHS to heatsink, but something is goofy.
I'm 11 seconds in and stopped to give it a like and a comment..... all because of the shirt.... It's beautiful.
CORRECTION
Sandy/Ivy Bridge did NOT max OC at 4.3ghz, the average OC was 4.7ghz from Sandy-Skylake. Ivy is when they went from solder to TIM and heat was more of an issue. Kaby Lake is when they they increased the fin height and wider pitch within the process to allow less voltage needed to hit a certain MHz, and allowed higher overclocks to 5GHz. Since, they have refined it more so now 5GHz is average OC, 5.2 is possible. TIM was the main issue since Ivy that would get chips hot but you could hit 4.5ghz on an EVO 212 and 4.7 on a larger cooler or AIO. Hell, my buddy had a delidded 3770k in a custom loop that he ran at 5GHz 24/7 for a few years.
So really there wasn’t a change in frequency until Kaby Lake.
Thanks for your video. My 3900X runs now @ 4.3Ghz . ^^
it would be awesome if you could do the other 3rd gen ryzens aswell, a guide to OC, RAM's etc!
I would love to see a RAM overclocking video. Every time I overclock my Corsair Dominator it becomes unstable.
I thought ram could go up to 3733 before the infinity fabric divider would kick in. Excited to play around with this on the 3900x i have on the way. Thanks for this video
Just keep it simple and go for 3600
would I need to boost the FCLK to 1866mhz to get 3733mhz? and if this is the case what else would I need to do to make sure its stable? thanks i really do want to reach 3733 and not default to 3600 if even for minor results.
I thought I was going crazy, thank you for this. I knew the voltages are too high!!!!!
Robert from AMD already explained that on reddit. Its perfectly fine. It was designed like that. Its too technical so I cant explain it properly but you can read it on reddit www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbls9g/the_final_word_on_idle_voltages_for_3rd_gen_ryzen/?
@@426Studios He said it's normal but nothing about it being safe 🤷♂️
Wonder why I can't find an answer on the long term effects of running a zen2 at 1.4 volts
Thanks for this video: a lot of times you don't get to hear that. And this is still relevant as of late May 2020.
Taking advantage of the price drops, I built two new rigs, one of them a 3900X encoding box w/a H110i PlatinumSE on X570 (other specs don't matter). At stock, my 5 min temps after Prime95 were 83C and idles were 54C or so. After tuning the excessive voltages, I max at 58C after 15 min of the same, and idle around 38C. Obivously, with AMD especially, the better the temps at steady state, the better your clock speeds.
4.6 on 1.3700v custom water cooled 3900x and its stable!
shiiieeet
one of the very few,if not the only very informative video around,exceptional job.thanks
Jay, Do a series on what each memory setting in the BIOS does or effects.
How to use those settings to determine the best setting for a memory module.
How settings are relative to each other.
Then go through all of the settings in a particular BIOS one BIOS at a time.
That should keep you busy and out of trouble for some time.
AMD stated that Ryzen Master is the ONLY way to accurately monitor the Ryzen 3000 series on their Public Forums.
So? Not all people have the "ryzen master" or whatever the fuck that is
Hardware info 64 is usually more accurate than anyone.
@@Dracossaint AMD said CPU-Z and Ryzen Master are the only accurate ones rn as calls made by other software are causing the CPU's to boost
@@editsbyts Exactly, other software bumps CPU Mhz causing issues monitoring it
@@shinren_ wow what an ignorant dick
Damn it J, you and your fancy cool bluring camera technology tricks
Jay, thank you for making this video. I am very glad I watched it before plonking a Ryzen 9 3900X into my ASUS ROG Crosshair Hero VI X370 motherboard. You helped me keep the temps under control. I thank you.
One of the best explanations on you tube, looking forward for mere and more details
How am I suppose to watch these benchmark results with music like this? It makes me immediately jump up and start moshing around the office.
Yea I definetly need to upgrade. Still running my i5 with a gtx 650 in a coolermaster case with no rgb.
How dare you not have rgb?!?!
oh man, gtx 650's go for $30 on ebay now. even a 760 would be a massive improvement. like 50% more frames in games. if your i5 is 2nd gen or better it might still be decent.
Get some RGB so you can match your 💄 and 👡 👠 to your gaming rig.
Good to know I'll look them up
If u added rgb to that bad boy, easy 25% performance gain.
jay, i think for a long time, you and several other you-tubers have attracted at least , some majority percent of your audience as gamers - we come to your channel learning about all the new products etc, but i have a feeling there is a shift, that some larger percent of your audience is now content creators, video editors, professionals etc ( people not gaming ) - and the reason is, that there are now sooo many great, used, older cpus, that are far less expensive and offer very competitive gaming performance as anything thats brand new and on the shelf at the moment. i think gamers are more interested in saving some money, and still getting there frame rate goals . after all my own research, i dont think i can ever justify buying any of the recent generation of cpus / motherboards and memory. example, im using an ancient, antique, dinasour xeon, x5675, overclocked on air @ 4.5ghz, and it runs my vega 56 at 99% , no bottlenecking, and i get 100-144 fps all day on my 1080p freesync display. i paid 20 bucks for that cpu. even the vega 56 i got used for 250 usd. anyway thought i would chime in. i dont think its about building an overkill overpriced machine anymore - its a balance of price to performance ratios and building a system to meet your goals. obviously for those gamers out there that have no budget concerns, everything i have said doesn't apply, but im sure that of the fraction of your audience that are just building for games, its another small fraction of those who have no budget concerns. in otherwords, the majority of gamers looking to build a system do in fact have a good mind to save coins where they can. i think you would attract a larger audience, if you would throw in more reviews and rundowns of some of the older cpus / mobos / memory configurations , show us the price points, and the capabilities - and im sure youll suddenly find you have even more views and subs. dont get me wrong i like watching your channel to keep up to date with the new stuff, but i think theres alot more material , and a huge potential to apeal to a larger part of the community by showing us how to build a beast, for very little with older used hardware. thanks jay -
Thanks J, I have the same board and felt like the setting were off but wasn't sure how to fine tune it or even what to look at!! No wonder my 3600x on idle was running so hot.
Good VId.. Finally someone says something about the way overvolted Zen2. You can drop 30°c temps just by undervolting.
My vote goes for Skywalker & Solo. Not even Jay can take it away from me.
I dk why everyone is still expecting amazing manual overclocking from ryzen. I understand most people are used to times when there was a lot of free performance left on the table (especially on the Intel side), but ryzen hasn't been like that for a long time and I don't think it's a bad thing. Shouldn't people be happy amd is already doing a very good job overclocking their CPUs for you without you having to void your warranty? Just plug it in, turn xmp on for your memory, and move on knowing you're probably within 5% of your CPUs max performance with 0 effort. That's a perk if you ask me and bravo to AMD to doing such a good job with their precision boost or whatever they are calling it nowadays.
Jay, disable LN2 mode next time before you accuse Asus of borking your voltages.
@CastAway_Dave You'll see where he starts to show UEFI settings at the top LN2 mode is enabled, so board will automatically set high voltages.
He also applied manual voltage which will impact single core boost speed, these chips require 1.5v to hold their rated single core turbo this video was pointless IMO.
@@gupsterg6171 Where have you seen it stated that LN2 mode sets high voltages?
From my understanding, it simply allows the system to POST when the CPU is in sub-zero temperatures. With LN2 disabled under these conditions, there would be a sort of boot bug that restricts the system from POSTing. Whether or not LN2 mode works its magic via higher initial CPU voltages, I can't confirm.
@@robp4616 I have in the past read posts by Elmor on OCN, he used to work in ASUS ROG MB R&D. Then you'll note a post on OCN C8H/C8F owners thread, post 50 by Silent Scone, he's a mod on ROG forum and has close ties with ASUS.
@@gupsterg6171 Interesting. I mean, it does make sense to up voltages in lower temperatures -- thinking similarly as CCA in automotive batteries, although that's not a perfect comparison.
Thank you for uploading this! My temps are about 10°C cooler . The cores were set to 1.478 O.o
I'd like to see overclocking on some of the lower core count SKU's. Also, if you could throw up a video talking about 5700XT overclocking, that'd be pretty sweet too. :)
thanks jay, just build a rig with a 3900x and was wondering why i was idling hotter then my bbq.
I’ve found that I needed to knock off auto because it’s overvolting by default , and gone from 65c idle to 35-40c idle by using 1.25 and turbo on llc.
I think I can gave up a little speed for a lower electrical bill and a system what doesn’t need a 360mm aio to run it’s fans on full to look at the internet and read my emails.
Yea you are 100% correct to decrease vcore, though Ryzen says you shouldn’t. According to Ryzen:
It's not a secret. We tell you the limits right inside Ryzen Master, the free tool we built to tell you this information. It's at the top of the window.
FACTORY SOCKET POWER LIMITS
• 95W-105W Processors: 142W
• 65W Processors: 88W
FACTORY CURRENT LIMIT FOR THERMALLY-CONSTRAINED VRMs (TDC)
• 95W-105W Processors: 95A
• 65W Processors: 60A
FACTORY CURRENT LIMIT FOR ELECTRICALLY-CONSTRAINED VRMs (EDC)
• 95W-105W Processors: 140A
• 65W Processors: 90A
TEMPERATURE LIMIT
• 95C
STOCK VOLTAGE RANGE
• 0.200V - 1.500V
Q: WHAT VOLTAGE IS SAFE?
A: The one the CPU picks on its own. The firmware is actively monitoring and managing more chip health data than you can possibly imagine or digest--every second--to ensure performance is being reliably maximized for n cores under load at y temperature for x time. Stepping in to fix a static vcore, because you "feel" something about what the CPU is doing on its own, or you misread what someone said on the internet, won't help you. It will likely subtract performance (reduced Vmax = reduced perf), and it will likely raise the average voltage the chip experiences over a 24H period vs. what it will self-manage to on its own accord (you've disabled idle voltages). If the purpose of setting a manual vcore was to reduce voltage, you missed: you actually just raised the average voltage.
OKAY, BUT WHAT ABOUT OVERCLOCKING?
A: Experiment. Just like every other processor. There are some very smart people doing this work out there. ;)
I don't have a 3900X, i don't have any of the 3000 series CPUs, i watch because of Jay.
Yes i know who cares.
I go full volume on your test benchmarks! That song is wicked ^^
PS. Star Trek ftw.
Got my 3900x to 4.4 GHz @ 1.375v on all cores on stock cooler. Temps were 88-90C by the end of R20 test.
Love your background on your charts.
I see 1:1 Ratio talked about with Infinity at 3600 (1800 infinity) Memory then I see 1:1 is really 3733 Memory (1866 infinity) . Which is it?
3733 is max with 1:1 scaling
@@rcradiator Unless you adjust the fclock manually, yes. Most CPU's should be able to run the IF at 1900 when RAM is at 3800. I don't know if lower end boards can even adjust that though, I know the MSI MEG X570 Creation can, and the Crosshair, I wonder if the 200-300$ boards can...
@@Qyngali does this mean i need to boost the infinity fabric manually to 1866 or 1900 (if it) can so i can still reac 3733? other wise would going 3733 while its at 1800mhz go into 2:1?
@@deadpool790 If you leave the fclock on auto it'll switch IF to 1:2 if you set RAM to above 3733. 3733 will still be 1:1. I haven't heard anyone get the IF to run higher than 1900... and on LN2 it seems to hate high IF speeds. Not that that matters to most people. :)
@@Qyngali yah I'm reading overclock.net another person said they had a friend hit 1900 as well. I want to try to do this once I get everything but of course my goal is to 3733mhz cl 14 with my b-die 3200 cl 14 kit (trident royals) if 1900mh infinity fabric is stable even better.
thats asus fault jay! other manufacturers like gigabyte have good voltages even on the same AGESA code as the crosshair viii. Asus bios department is a disaster lately.
msi god like was 1.492 vcore default
@@mrbill1357 I encourage you to read www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbls9g/the_final_word_on_idle_voltages_for_3rd_gen_ryzen/
Just got my 3900x, right now I "undervolted" to 1.25vcore max and applied oc to all cores @ 4.2ghz. I still need to touch up the other voltage, but as it stands, I'm barely touching 70c on a very passive fan curve.
I still have that voltage fresh out of the box with a standard BIOS from begin August from Asus, upgraded it to the latest and still that voltage.
Good thing I saw your video before my X570-E motherboard arrived. I'll definitely check out those voltages before running it.
Looks like 4.2-4.3 is pretty much the max OC everyone is getting, and the only difference is the core voltage needed to achieve this.
When you make the next video and test more games can you also test the games by running them on one CCX at a time? Using Windows Affinity in task manager on the game so that only the first 12 threads are being used, I’ve heard this will increase FPS and improve frametime delivery. I am looking at buying the 3950X later on and using Affinity so that 16 threads on one CCX is used for the game and 16 threads on the second CCX is used for OBS streaming although perhaps only needing to set up the game this way and letting OBS run wild across both CCX would be fine too, much testing to be done!
"Cattywampus."
Jay! Thank you, you helped me build my first pc. (Cable management sucks) fell into the commons you indicated in your cable management video. However, now I have a 9th generation i9-10900k processor. How do I know how much voltage to increase to go from a 3.7 base to something reasonable like 4.5? I'm so lost in these overclocking videos.
You rock bud!
with monoblock I went from 75c to 50c by undervolting, and then oc to 4.4ghz. fucking crazy how much voltage they were sticking to it...
when do we see you doing some rx 5700xt watercooling stuff?
I don't think any blocks for Navi are out yet. EK Navi blocks don't ship until 26th July.
No need
Corsair 240mm AIO drill the intel plate like the Radeon VII Add m3 bolt ET VOILA
@@Safetytrousers Igor from IgorsLab got already a pre-production sample From the EK rx5700xt vector fullcover blocks..... rockstable 2,1GHz without ANY mods... just increased core clocks, and a little bit power limit
th-cam.com/video/kK3isGg9nDw/w-d-xo.html
playing with power tables: 2,2 GHz:
th-cam.com/video/LjHV9LPxzTs/w-d-xo.html
Cl14 3900mhz 4x8gb is where it’s at after tighting the timing if the IMC can handle it.
Thx J, -0.075 core offset for instant minus 8-10c across the board o7
Northbridge was removed with Sandy Bridge, Also the 2700k readily hit 5GHz
Is that Lamb Of God in the benchmark background Music!? 🤘🤘
Why does that music make me want to play Red Alert again?
AMD user : Hey AMD, you no longer a room heater !
Asus : Hold my beer
Just ordered 3900x asus x570 rog board with ddr4 3200 rgb ram gonna temporily run it on 360mm rad with gtx 1080 then later upgrade it to 3x 360mm rad did not buy upgrade with overclocking in mind tho but will OC it in the future.
Currently running 5820k @ 4,2 ghz with 140w tdp 3900x runs way cooler on stock least so i can run it on 360mm rad till june.
Hey I love the video. Do you think you could do one explaining all these different overclocking attributes and explain them. Also do you think you could make a video describing this with the MSI x570 Meg ace board. I feel so overwhelmed with all the options.
Man I wish I could afford a pc from you. Your such an amazing person. I love your passion for this work! Much love to you! I look forward to more videos!
Omg the shirt!!!! U get a like for it!
I'm using an asus maximus VIII with intel 6700k. My cpu temp was hitting 90c while gaming I couldn't understand what's wrong. I have blamed my corsair h110i and RMA'd it, got a new one and the result was same. I had no overclock or anything standing out UNTIL I realised out of the box CPU voltage is set to 1.4v... moved it down to 1.2v and since then I never had any overheating. Also with a BIOS update they fucked up XMP profiles, after 2 patches they fixed it. I think it took about a year. This is why I'm not going to buy Asus this time, last 2 motherboards I got from them (z77 sabertooth and maximus VIII) wasn't as good as they advertised. I'll let Gigabyte disappoint me this time :)
Early bios? good thing i'm upgrading in January lol
looking at getting the 3950X, good memory and a Corshair 8 Formula and cooling would be done with my open loop with 4x 120mm fans worth of radiator
high single core clock would work nicely for Factorio and a megabase, keeping up that UPS. letting you build an even bigger base
Thank you for your education on the 3900X :D
First time overclocking, managed to get 4.4ghz on my 3900x
Just tested last night, Mine is running 4.2GHz ACOC @ 1.225v. Running a 10 minute Cinebench R20 run it hit not more than 71c.
Jay dropping knowledge bombs! 👍
Nice explanation man
Just a side note sort of thing.......... the whole studio under construction kinda suits what you do, build rigs. With the OC stuff and watercooling etc. And caddywampus....... someone is a fan of AvE, hee don't worry I am too, the number of times I ask for a swedish nut lathe and get very puzzled looks......seriously, his stone flinger vid has me laughing my ass off.
And right now I 'm running a small OC on my now very old FX 6300..... my worry is the vrm temps, aircooled cpu (412S cooler), an old mobo too Sabertooth 990 FX but she runs quite happy. My concern is longevity, only a small OC (10%) but the vrm's run, to my mind, quite hot (50 degrees science).
I know it's a ramble but the question I have/alluded to is how long do mobo pixie wrangling bits last?
Great Tee Shirt btw
looked this vid up because I have a 3900x, had a progress bar 1/10th of the way for viewed because I probably thought I'd never have a ryzen 3000 let alone a 3900x. Let's see what is said
A single video explaining all the bios settings in depth would be great. But yeah, loving my 3600x
problem with this is, a lot of BIOSes are constantly changing and are just laid out much more differently makes a guide like this a lot harder to make.
@@d-o-n-u-t a lot of the basics for AMD bioses are generally the same, with some things renamed here or there. My Gigabyte a320 bios is similar to my x570 bios even. Tackling at least team Red's bios setup wouldn't be too hard to explain and map out in a video for a general idea at least, especially since the hardware all functions on the same general features/firmware
Do your own research or even read the fucking manual.
Nice. I'm waiting on my 3900x :).
Liked immediately for that glorious shirt he's wearing.
Is it a star wars thing??
@@I5ZQ8 Star Trek Next Generation
@@pranavkolluri /woosh
Omg you’re a fine human.
Captain Jonathan Picard
7:40 love how Jayz is just blurred in the background being stupid lol
so dead lmao
I'd just like to say what everyone is thinking.... WHAT A GREAT SHIRT!!
I want to know where he got it. That's a Candidate I can get behind!
It took Very little time for me to find this comment. This makes me happy
Beyond belief fact or fiction
@@ashleyjohansson230 that's a fact!!
I have one for 2016.
Jay: runs nzxt aio sponsor spot
Also Jay: uses Corsair aio
isnt that NZXT M22 cooler bad ? i've only heard bad reviews about it unless they updated it or something.
@@mo3ath9442 its only 120mm so dont expect great cooling
@@mo3ath9442 Yes, tech Jesus cut one open. They're bad.
*_SAVAGE_*
@@mo3ath9442 Can't be worse than Enermax.
Finally someone showing what is wrong MORE with all the bios settings on X570
And yes, X470 had weird HIGH voltage setting on launch.
Lol x370 ch6 latest bios 7106 first boot the board tried to shive 1.5 volts in and while boosting it still looks like its agressive as well as manual voltage control is a bit bugged
1. Jay has ln2 mode enabled 3:32
2. CPU boosts in UEFI
i couldnt see the charts cause Jay is making faces behind it.
Wow I didn't even notice until seeing this comment
Yeah, that's funny as hell. I didn't even notice lol.
Oh wow, I did not see that the first time I watched it xD
It's so good
I Saw that aswell and didn’t pay attention to the charts either. Had to watch again and try not to focus on him in the background. 🤣😂
i'll give you this Jay... when i saw "ryzen 3900x overclocking" i was like "oh, ok, Jay will know what he's talking about"
Finally, someone that talk about all the crap we are suffering, between BIOS, Windows and AMD power plans (Windows working better than AMD in my case), high vcore while idle, and high fan speed, and CPU and FAN boosting for nothing (like opening a new tab on firefox, or a folder on a harddrive). Also what you shown about Far Cry, can be achieved (no OC need it in my Ryzen 5 3600) in almost any game (tried with SOTR and BFV) and it also boost all clocks to 4.05~4.125ish, but utilization is never higher than 50% in some threads. Thank you Jay !
Jay, the BIOS is designed to run at high clock voltage - it doesn't engage cc6 (sleep/low power state), hence the high temperature. Robert Hallock confirmed this today on Reddit.
1.47V sounds scary as I'm running my r7 1700 @3.7 all cores with 1.187V
@@happygiraffe9787 yeah, not sure why the voltage is particularly that high, but locked to max voltage is normal in the BIOS.
I wonder what is the AMDs official maximum "safe voltages" for 3000-series. If I remember correctly, AMD said 2000-series was all good up to 1.4V in their official response.
You're right that it doesn't sit at a low power state in BIOS...but even in it's highest power state the voltage should not be that high. Granted this board is probably displaying the VRM output before accounting for droop, but it's not under heavy load so droop won't be much anyway.
It's a different kind of overclocking. It's more tweaking than anything else. AMD has (and this is great) found ways to maximize performance out of the box. The tweaking will be more like what we've seen from GPU's with undervoltage, increasing TDP allowances, better cooling, and letting their algorithms do their thang.
I mean doesn't it make sense from a manufacturer's point of view that their product is the best it can be out of the box? Kind of strange it has taken this long for auto clocking to happen
Dude I'm still rocken an ancient relic 1950X that i bought last year, So technically I'm in your ballpark.
its not the best out of the box at all. Its literally the way they design their own chips that causes this to happen which is why amd is always behind intel or barely keeps up with some old design that intel only struggles with because of their own design. Its basically a failure actually not a good thing.
You should make a video testing OC 3200mhz ram of a lower cas latency vs stock 3600mhz ram of a higher cas latency with ryzen 3000
Tyler 06 I like to see that too. Overclocking the CPU doesn't seem very interesting atm, but I do wonder how memory speeds impact things.
Agreed, and then also test both speeds on an x470 board.
actually i would like to see some benchmarks with different timings and speeds to see the differences.
@Miguel Carones that one from techpowerup?
Awesome video, thank you Jay.
I suspected the 3900X was going to be a poor overclocker, the 3950X not having any of it and the 3800X faring better in that regard. Still, Chiplet is chiplet so the heat is very focused.
Please do an overclocking video for 3700x! I feel as if that would apply to many more viewers, including myself
bearded hardware has a around 17 hours total from 4 Live streams 3700x that you can look at.
also he will be cuting it into a video guide.
@@1BigBen I was about to write that lol.
Those voltages would be high on an fx processor... Dang
i think the new cpus will make OC absolete. they can boost better them selfs... but... id agree that letting the motherboard in AUTO for the Voltage is stupid and probably doesn't let the CPU show its full potential! if you have a website with the proper Voltage of everything as reference would be nice to config them manually in the MB and the don't even touch the core speed..they will go higher by themselves cause they are properly cooled and voltage regulated 🙄
How about the 3800 X everyone is doing all the processors except this one 😳
No one has them and I wouldn't expect much different from the 3700x besides slightly higher boost behavior out of the box.
because its largely pointless. Just get the 3700x and manually overclock it. Zero difference between the two other than a 100mhz factory set base multiplier and a price hike lol
Oh and the 3800x is 105w TDP vs the 3700x's 65
you should cover the 3600 because that's the one most people will be buying because it's the cheapest
ye!
or b350
Calling it the cheapest is wrong? But yes it is the most common processor as you probably meant
@@Dracossaint it's the cheapest zen 2 processor
@@Dracossaint he meant cheapest as in its the cheapest new zen 2 processor...
WTF ASUS Explain yourself!
Thinking about all folk around the world not knowing about this issue cooking away they new hard earned new PC.
My ROG Formula settings was the same. Have changed all of them now but jeeez, this is truly unacceptable. Bios AUTO voltage being like 0.1-0.3 higher than needed is ok i guess for stability reasons across all CPU's world wide. But 1.46V? Thats insane.
ASUS Comment? New bios soon?
just got myself a 3900x 4/4/2020 and was able to hit stable 4.4 ghz at 1.4 volts. Will say the spike in temperatures reaches 60-65*C before dropping.
Was happy to find stability at 4.3 ghz 1.37 volts. 40-50*C with fans going full speed on a 360 radiator
You’ve never hit 105c with yours ? Rookie numbers at 60
I dont get stable at stock...yay
That shirt!! OMG I LOVE IT!! Picard is always gonna be my captain of choice in anything Star Trek.
1. The links in the description to amazon do NOT link to any products.
2. You don't list the hardware used so we'll never know until you update that.
Thanks :)
Don't set manual V-core voltage if you are leaving your clocks on auto. You will destroy your performance. Run cinebench after doing this and you will see. Limiting the voltage causes the core clocks to be limited. I had a -200mv undervolt and my temps, power usage, and clocks looked awesome. Then I ran cinebench and realized it was destroying my performance. The algorithm wants as much as 1.5v on the higher turbo SKU's to hit max single core turbo. If you manually enter voltage and limit it it wont hit those turbos. The high voltage is fine when no or light load is present. There is very little current and won't damage your CPU. This is normal. The voltage will lower to the 1.3 range when fully loaded on all cores and current increases. If you see your "idle" voltage at 1.5v its because your monitor software is presenting a tiny load to the core and causing it to go to full turbo (with necessary voltage). If you look at the voltage using CPU Z the actual idle voltage is less than a volt. This is problem with monitoring software and not the CPU's and bios'.
www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbls9g/the_final_word_on_idle_voltages_for_3rd_gen_ryzen/?ref=share&ref_source=embed&
The high SOC voltage is a result of installing a high speed memory kit. This is an actual issue that needs to be addressed. This is an issue with Asus mobos on the Intel side as welll with VCCIO/VCCSA. Jay I like your content but there is some terrible information in this video.
Rigg thanks for the info :)
best thing to do is set an offset, not a manual. manuals are generally a bad idea anyway. once you know what auto reaches, offsets are best to fine tune.
@@Kojiro3210 Nope. Unfortunately offset will negatively affect performance on the new Ryzen CPU's as well. It's really confusing too. I had -200mv negative offset dialed in on a 3700x. It looked amazing. Heat and power consumption had me grinnig ear to ear. HWI64 even appeared to hold at 4.2 all core in P95 smal FFT. Then I ran cinebench. Single core went from 205 to 143. Multi core was 1500 something. Don't mess with the voltage if leaving clocks on auto. It's possible you may be able to use a very small offset without killing performance too drastically but i think its better to just set a max temp in the advanced PBO settings if your temps are too high. I'm afraid a lot of people coming from 2nd gen Ryzen PBO overclocking are going to try using offset and not realize they are nerfing their CPU performance.
He don't know much and have 2M subscribers lol
I’ve fixed vcore on my ryzen 3900x@4.25Ghz on all cores 1.2625V. Its colder and performance is higher than on auto.
Ryzen line up is interesting to me. I've been overclocking everytthing since...late 90s but Ryzen is the first CPU i've owned I just feel I have no need to OC. the boost does its job really well.
Jay. Please review the 3600 with b450 boards since thats what most people will get
@Patrick Williamson what is shill ?
@@BudakGilerBass Why is shill?
@Patrick Williamson ...as he overclocks an AMD product...
...doofus...
@Patrick Williamson He's overclocking amds current flagship and at the end he explains why there's not much headroom and say he thinks that we'll see improvement amd that with the little overclock he had he saw pretty large performance increase and is planning to see if this scaling remains the same across multiple titles please explain how this is shilling for AMD and nvidia about the only "pro" Intel thing in this is that Intel has a more mature process which is true they've been using the same process for years not it's not him shilling its him stating facts so I disagree with you that he's shilling cause he's not and the reason why he's using unrealistic setups is to test the architectural improvements as a whole not to do a dollar per frame analysis of a computer build
Damn, 30 frames more!. Iwas going to buy i7 9700k, but now I think I should wait to see what 3700x can do once overclocked in a similar fashion.
9700k is a few fps higher in most games but I don't think it's worth the extra money or the extra power draw. 3700x wins in every non game multi thread test though
multi core / multi threading will only become more prevalent. far cry 5 was a start and laid some "groundwork" about it. game devs will focus more on using the entire CPU and not only a single core performance. you cannot go wrong with AMD anymore - i know there was a stigma about AMD being worse for games due to single clock - and they weren't wrong, but that will change (actually it already started changing). even if that wasn't the case, i would ALWAYS go for more cores/threads rather than single core, because number of reasons:
1) in current games if i hide FPS, i CANNOT tell the difference between the AMD CPU or the intel one
2) new games (that are CPU intensive at the very least) will focus on multi core performance
3) i like having a more versatile CPU that would cut time significantly when doing something
anyway, this new technology will last you for a very, very long time. i'll probably go with 3950x. i know it'll cost quite a bit, but i also know i won't have to upgrade it for at least a decade (well probably even 2 if i'm gonna be honest here). the only worrying thing is the temperature, but it's not the CPU's fault, but rather motherboard's and manufacturers will do something about it soon in form of updates.
Join AMD.
@@LikeVenom18 and just to add to your devs going multicore, Microsoft and Sony said Zen2 will be in consoles next year, which would mean they are not only designing their game engines for multicore but specifically for Zen 2 first.
@@imo098765 wow, those are some insane news. then for sure, AMD definitely is the way to go.
I overclocked my 3900x to 4.4ghz all cores at 1.3875 volts, SOC just under 1.2v on my MSI b450 vhd pro. I thought I could go higher after I bought a x570 board, but no... I think this is the limit. In cinebench r23 multicore I got 17300~ on stock and after overclock just above 20000.
I'm sick of overclocking. I'm going from a 1600 to 3600X and will never overclock it. It's plenty fast as is. Thank God for that.
i'm curious, did ASUS by default left the ln2 jumper on....my maximus iv exteme did so....maybe if you turn ln2 mode off, the voltage did not crank that high.....my humble request, can you confirm this jay?
And people called me crazy for just letting gpu boost and XFR do the over lock for me...
the issue is because LN2 mode is enabled (LN2 mode is overvolting and ready for LN2)
Exactly.
Don't forget us X370 users, we were there from the beginning. Will u compare X370 vs X570?
Already done, as long as board got vrms that can handle the power it's finse
@@gr3if even on a decent b350 it can take the 12core just dont go overclocking
Ditch the X370! Easy
Only difference is the X370 won't have PCIE 4.0. The VRM and memory trace layout might be better or worse depending on the model but that has nothing to do with the chipset.