I think Pat's reaction as he learns about Woolie's shitty Bat-combat skillz mirrors a lot of us back then. Just a real sense of "Aren't you supposed to be good at this kind of gameplay?" But no, he got it in his head that the combat worked one way and refused to learn to do it as it was actually intended, despite the game's unending prompts to try to guide him to improve. It was practically begging him to do even one. Single. Takedown. Just to prove that he could. But Woolie looked back into the abyss and said... no.
@@avoryeda7606 Honestly, in City, there were a lot of reasons not to use takedowns. Mainly because longer fights basically demanded you keep a disarm-and-destroy on deck in case someone pulled out a gun.
@@shinluis they continue the combo but they spend the action and you have to build back up to it with enough hits. He’s saying that if you don’t spend it you can keep it for the disarm
"So what should happen is one of these people should go 'oh no, my gun's alive' and shoot Joker 45 times in the head" So, I'd like to point out that since the guards at Arkham use what appear to be Heckler & Koch G36s with box magazines, this would basically look like them emptying an entire clip into Joker's head, reloading, and then emptying half of the next clip. While Batman watches.
Reminder the reason why Woolie never got Akrham combat is because he never fucking aimed at another baddie with the left analog stick, or learn how the MOMENT the flash appears above an enemy's head, you can IMMEDIATELY counter it.
Wait did he not use the stick at all? I don't know which game adds it but you do need to tilt it to throw enemies. It's also smart to aim your Baterangs along with other stuff.
@@M7S4I5L8V2A The first game to feature the throw is actually this one. And after this game, Batman loses the throw forever (though Robin has it as part of his kit and in Arkham Knight all characters can throw interactables but not enemies).
Woolie couldn't grasp the combat because the Arkham games expect you to do what fighting games train you NOT to do: constantly be pushing forward with the stick while mindlessly mashing buttons. You will somehow fly across the entire room to hit a guy is long as you're doing that, but if you're used to precise directional inputs that put out entirely different moves then that isn't gonna come natural.
This is the most excited I have felt for a Pat stream since Sonic 3 and Knuckles! Pat, I love all you streams but there are a few that lure me in hard. This is one.
Commenting to be seen as someone who has watched for a long while. Congrats on the move, the wife, and PB&J (Pat Boi Jr) I watched ya'll religiously since the machinima days. I'm super glad to see you happy and look forward to seeing that red head smile from you and Paige. congratulations again man. Thank you for being you
@@thelaughingrouge Oh I for sure like it more than Knight. Knight is a beautiful looking game, but I am least likely to revisit it due to the tank sections and the shitty riddler driving challenges.
The boss fights made that game. They really should have put Deathstroke way later and it would have helped the game's reputation a lot. I get it's for the game play but getting the Remote Claw, then getting a second fight towards the end after the helmet comes off and the sword comes out. Would have been way more hype.
After all these year's the combat is still jank, I don't believe that game has had a single patch fix since it's releases Boss fights are the best in the series though..imo
It would be hilarious if there was an alternate world where Arkham is just a place they execute the prisoners, yet never tell Batman about it, and he thinks he's just that good and has stopped all of Gotham's villains in his "Good boy" ways and they are being rehabilitated, but are in fact just dead.
That guy Pat is talking about at the start is taking car of a baby, it just also is the case the baby is himself and he is ignoring a human being that might be a better person than him to do it.
This game definitely makes me nostalgic. I remember getting it for my birthday from my dad when I turned 13. I also miss Arleen Sorkin as Harley. Tara Strong still does a good job, but I like Sorkin a bit more.
love how Scarecrow is just the Dragon God from Demon's Souls and by that i mean i have mixed feelings about it like i do the Dragon God from Demon's Souls
Having a masters degree in psychology doesn't make a person a genius, that's nonsense lol. Also, from Batmans perspective, as one of the smartest people in the DC universe, most people aren't that bright. Especially bumbling criminals. I believe this is before Quinn ditched Joker and really became a quality villain.
Man, it's crazy that Batman is literally called "the second-smartest man on Earth" (the first-smartest being Lex Luthor) on multiple occasions in the comics, and yet the dude still regularly gets outplayed by, among others: a literal clown, a geriatric terrorist, an incel, a drug addict, and a regular cat burglar. Out-of-universe, it's easily explained by the fact that Batman can't really be much smarter than the people writing him anymore, lest they risk ridiculous Silver Age pseudoscience. In-universe, I have no idea how to explain why Batman's enemies pose a legitimate threat to him.
@@ChrisMerkelStudios You could say its because how unpredictable a lot of them are. A person can be incredibly smart but still be confused by nonsensical actions.
It is kind of silly that she's got an incredibly prominent education in psychology and the first thing she does at Arkham is go "Eh fuck it!" and throw it all aside for one psychopath who called her pretty. Than again, that's pretty much what most psychotic fascists do in real life, they manage to suppress the psychotic disgust and rage at other people until it gives them attention then fuck it, never needed my family or friends or a real career anywya.
@@ChrisMerkelStudios Yeah it's all part of one of the biggest problem in comics: escalation. The threats just get bigger and bigger in scope and mortal heroes team up with gods and need to validate their existence in the group, so the writers make them better and better so they measure up and can deal with the threat without looking pathetic. Then once the threat is dealt with, they can't dial it back down again without it seeming ridiculous.
@@timlerch7425 IIRC Woolie was debating this version or the PC version but said he couldn't even play the ps4 version since Return to Arkham wasnt even available to download on PSN. On the subreddit I remember seeing Minh saying the same thing and even posted screenshots of it not being on their store but it was for other people. Not sure why. Maybe it's a Quebec thing?
So with Pat revisiting older game series, has he expressed any interest in playing the Metal Gear series on stream? Dumb secondary question, has he ever played Kingdom Hearts?
Curious to see what kind of critiques Pat has for this remaster. As someone who played the PC version at least once every year since launch, this remaster looks and feels like it needed another six months in the oven.
Gotta say, the absolute toxicity of CoD gaming really seemed stupid to me, and I basically never played any CoD except at my friend's house and never owned one till the 2019 remake where it was one quick keybind to mute the lobby. Sometimes I would listen into some of the dumb toxic crap people would spout, and I'd laugh in their faces and say "harder daddy" because nothing fucks with an insecure man more than thinking he's turning another guy on. The worst people just left their mics on with kids crying or just constantly talked shit or saying the game was bullshit repeatedly even though nobody else was talking the whole match. My question I always wanted to know the answer to was "if this game is so trash, unfair, and bullshit why do you play it?"
Origins is rough. I remember liking it okay but a recent play through just demonstrated how unfinished the game is and I just wanted to play City again.
The best part of Origins is the boss fights; all of them are better than anything Rocksteady did, who only really got inventive with the Mr Freeze fight.
@@MrStath1986 I mean, I thought that too but then I replayed it and many of them were just regular enemies or retread Titan dudes from Asylum but with health bars.
In this remaster, scans will say subject obscured if there's a whole ass wall between you and the riddle solution or Arkham scarab plaque. It's bullshit. Also the colour it scans things is wrong. The brown colour is supposed to be for scanning solutions but in the remaster it's that brown every time and it doesn't fade out it just cuts. Unfinished game
i don't even like superheroes except for um, that second christian bale movie and the deadpool movies, but this game is pretty cool. city is super boring though
This game is one of the best but the Riddler stuff completely nukes it. Strong Metal Gear Solid vibes (alone, surrounded by enemies. Equipment is procure on sight), but the Riddler stuff ssssuuuuuucccckkkkks. And they didnt make them any better in the sequels.
I happened to enjoy the Riddler stuff. Not the trophy collecting, but solving the riddles with the camera. Wish it had more of the latter and less of the former.
@@jeremiahstenzel789 yeah the camera puzzles are the best riddler stuff - and that includes the allignment puzzles. The "break open a wall for literally nothing but a trophy" moments suck.
Nah in this game it's more like a Moab. Knight gets nuked pretty hard with it's ending being tied to it. Some of the puzzles are fun and I find it super funny how much time the riddler put into it. However I don't like it being mandatory.
This is not a popular opinion to have, particularly as Asylum is the ONLY game to feature Harley Quinn's original VA, but it's one I share. I'm just going to assume Sorkin's delivery in those logs was a direction issue, rather than an acting issue, because there is an episode in TAS where Sorkin voices Quinzel before she meets Joker and she manages to actually sound like a normal person instead of someone that would raise ALL the red flags to any halfway competent personnel manager.
@@ChrisMerkelStudios Oh crap. I thought Tara Strong voiced Harley in the whole trilogy and Asylum was where she had trouble getting into the role. But you're right, the direction of the logs is worst part, making her so naïve she immediately falls for Joker.
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My favorite argument from the ACAB crowd is that the only "good cops" are the ones who quit. They really don't like it when you point out that if all the good cops leave, you're stuck dealing exclusively with bad cops. Can't change the system from outside of it, no matter how much you want to.
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I think Pat's reaction as he learns about Woolie's shitty Bat-combat skillz mirrors a lot of us back then. Just a real sense of "Aren't you supposed to be good at this kind of gameplay?"
But no, he got it in his head that the combat worked one way and refused to learn to do it as it was actually intended, despite the game's unending prompts to try to guide him to improve. It was practically begging him to do even one. Single. Takedown. Just to prove that he could.
But Woolie looked back into the abyss and said... no.
@@avoryeda7606 Honestly, in City, there were a lot of reasons not to use takedowns. Mainly because longer fights basically demanded you keep a disarm-and-destroy on deck in case someone pulled out a gun.
@@avoryeda7606 but in Asylum iirc wouldn't takedowns just continue the combo? or am I misremembering it
Which is why he should play the challenge mods in city onward if he ever goes back. At least until he gets a flawless one combo in the first one
@@shinluis they continue the combo but they spend the action and you have to build back up to it with enough hits. He’s saying that if you don’t spend it you can keep it for the disarm
It proceeded to beat his ass and take his Gameboy
"So what should happen is one of these people should go 'oh no, my gun's alive' and shoot Joker 45 times in the head"
So, I'd like to point out that since the guards at Arkham use what appear to be Heckler & Koch G36s with box magazines, this would basically look like them emptying an entire clip into Joker's head, reloading, and then emptying half of the next clip. While Batman watches.
Reminder the reason why Woolie never got Akrham combat is because he never fucking aimed at another baddie with the left analog stick, or learn how the MOMENT the flash appears above an enemy's head, you can IMMEDIATELY counter it.
Wait did he not use the stick at all? I don't know which game adds it but you do need to tilt it to throw enemies. It's also smart to aim your Baterangs along with other stuff.
@@M7S4I5L8V2A The first game to feature the throw is actually this one. And after this game, Batman loses the throw forever (though Robin has it as part of his kit and in Arkham Knight all characters can throw interactables but not enemies).
@@ChrisMerkelStudios you can't throw in Arkham Knight but you do gain the ability to do sunset flip powerbombs which I would say is a good trade.
It must be the LP tax finally taking hold of his soul as well
@@ChrisMerkelStudios I just checked Knight and it in fact has the throw.
In regards to the old days of Xbox Live, there were only two options in terms of the people you’d come across: Cuno, and Cuno’s Dad.
Dear God that is too accurate!
Damn, Pat just casually breaking down the Joker nbd.
Also, thank you Pat for not playing the entire thing with xray vision on like Woolie did!
3:46:22 Killer Croc: “I threw a rock at him!”
Joker and every other villain: “…”
Killer Croc: “It was a big rock.”
Can't wait to see Pat's superior rhythm in play.
I love Woolie, but...... man, he never figured out the combat.
Which is amazing because this games combat is baby's first beat'em up.
@@NekoKujo6785 Which still baffles me to this day. Mainly because WOOLIE PLAYS RHYTHM GAMES.
Woolie couldn't grasp the combat because the Arkham games expect you to do what fighting games train you NOT to do: constantly be pushing forward with the stick while mindlessly mashing buttons. You will somehow fly across the entire room to hit a guy is long as you're doing that, but if you're used to precise directional inputs that put out entirely different moves then that isn't gonna come natural.
@@PoorlyDrawnSmileyFace Calling Arkham combat "mindlessly mashing buttons" is wrong on so many levels.
Watching Pat crush Dark Souls bosses on the first attempt but then get absolutely stomped by Bane is wild to me.
I appreciate that at least by the end of the riddler trials in arkham city you get to punch him in the face for it.
Because Im watching at x1.5 speed Enigma sounds like he is saying "N-Word Nigma" and I love it
You know Riddler would 100% say the N-word.
I love that to check if Arkham Asylum came out in 2009 Pat looks up a list of games from 2009 instead of looking up Arkham Asylum
You might wanna recheck that moment again.
That isn't what happened. Why the fuck does this have eight votes?? Are people just assuming that you aren't completely wrong?
2:42:30 That’s a funny Joker joke. Weird that it was said by the RIDDLER
This is the most excited I have felt for a Pat stream since Sonic 3 and Knuckles!
Pat, I love all you streams but there are a few that lure me in hard. This is one.
Gameplay *technically* starts at 1:04:53 (Pat pushes the title screen button at 1:02:00 tho)
Commenting to be seen as someone who has watched for a long while. Congrats on the move, the wife, and PB&J (Pat Boi Jr) I watched ya'll religiously since the machinima days. I'm super glad to see you happy and look forward to seeing that red head smile from you and Paige. congratulations again man. Thank you for being you
"Not Eddie Ligma!" I snort laughed.
I truly believe Woolie’s playthrough killed a small part of me
Why?
@@AngryHomunculus
Like watching a man play guitar by cutting all of its strings off
@@DevonPalmer98 yeah after watching the vod, I looked back at the Best of Woolie VS Arkham Asylum, and yeah I forgot how bad at the combat he was
How it feels being that weak?
@@greatskullz6166
Like a soft comfy blanket
Woolie's LP of Arkham Asylum gave me PTSD
Why
No one seemed to recognize Arleen Sorkin was Harley, not Tara Strong
The fact that there's still no shader mod to make the whole game play in the comic style of the pause screen is KILLING me
Ah yes the spite Playthrough
If he played Arkham Origins I’d be so happy, it’s underrated af imo
Well it's gotta be better than that one with all the tanks.
@@thelaughingrouge Oh I for sure like it more than Knight. Knight is a beautiful looking game, but I am least likely to revisit it due to the tank sections and the shitty riddler driving challenges.
pat hates wb montreal, right?
The boss fights made that game. They really should have put Deathstroke way later and it would have helped the game's reputation a lot. I get it's for the game play but getting the Remote Claw, then getting a second fight towards the end after the helmet comes off and the sword comes out. Would have been way more hype.
After all these year's the combat is still jank, I don't believe that game has had a single patch fix since it's releases
Boss fights are the best in the series though..imo
The original version of this game is the best, the shadows and colors more unique, the look was more gothic then the remake
Wow I can't believe Zsasz lost it
Damn. I sure hope he finds it again.
It would be hilarious if there was an alternate world where Arkham is just a place they execute the prisoners, yet never tell Batman about it, and he thinks he's just that good and has stopped all of Gotham's villains in his "Good boy" ways and they are being rehabilitated, but are in fact just dead.
1:08:51 his condition had gotten more advanced and he became a cannibal
FoR tHe AlGoRiThM
That guy Pat is talking about at the start is taking car of a baby, it just also is the case the baby is himself and he is ignoring a human being that might be a better person than him to do it.
Why did Batman drill a hole into the side of a cliff face just to put his multi-monitor gamer PC set up in it.
This game definitely makes me nostalgic. I remember getting it for my birthday from my dad when I turned 13. I also miss Arleen Sorkin as Harley. Tara Strong still does a good job, but I like Sorkin a bit more.
also steve blum is everywhere in this game lol. at least he does good work
love how Scarecrow is just the Dragon God from Demon's Souls
and by that i mean i have mixed feelings about it like i do the Dragon God from Demon's Souls
Going through this game again made me realize that Joker is really just your average Redditor.
He might not have played it the "correct" way but woolie did beat arkham so there's that
Would Joker break Twitter, or would Twitter break Joker?
If Twitter was a person the Joker would shoot them in the face and go "YEEEESH! That's enough out of THAT guy!"
Neither. Twitter is someone's Joker origin story waiting to happen.
@@ChrisMerkelStudios all it takes is one bad day.
Twitter would ban Joker within the first day
@@mellowyello1478 We truly live in a society.
I kinda like the Walkntalk! Mass Effect shoulda had more of them.
Watch out Itchy, he's IRISH!
4:47:00 For FF14 Potato suffering
Having a masters degree in psychology doesn't make a person a genius, that's nonsense lol.
Also, from Batmans perspective, as one of the smartest people in the DC universe, most people aren't that bright. Especially bumbling criminals. I believe this is before Quinn ditched Joker and really became a quality villain.
Man, it's crazy that Batman is literally called "the second-smartest man on Earth" (the first-smartest being Lex Luthor) on multiple occasions in the comics, and yet the dude still regularly gets outplayed by, among others: a literal clown, a geriatric terrorist, an incel, a drug addict, and a regular cat burglar.
Out-of-universe, it's easily explained by the fact that Batman can't really be much smarter than the people writing him anymore, lest they risk ridiculous Silver Age pseudoscience.
In-universe, I have no idea how to explain why Batman's enemies pose a legitimate threat to him.
@@ChrisMerkelStudios You could say its because how unpredictable a lot of them are. A person can be incredibly smart but still be confused by nonsensical actions.
It is kind of silly that she's got an incredibly prominent education in psychology and the first thing she does at Arkham is go "Eh fuck it!" and throw it all aside for one psychopath who called her pretty.
Than again, that's pretty much what most psychotic fascists do in real life, they manage to suppress the psychotic disgust and rage at other people until it gives them attention then fuck it, never needed my family or friends or a real career anywya.
@@ChrisMerkelStudios Yeah it's all part of one of the biggest problem in comics: escalation. The threats just get bigger and bigger in scope and mortal heroes team up with gods and need to validate their existence in the group, so the writers make them better and better so they measure up and can deal with the threat without looking pathetic. Then once the threat is dealt with, they can't dial it back down again without it seeming ridiculous.
Holy shit I forgot how horrendous this version looks.
I wonder why Pat was able to download and play this version while Woolie and Minh couldn't?
Don't you mean Woolie and Reggie?
@@timlerch7425 IIRC Woolie was debating this version or the PC version but said he couldn't even play the ps4 version since Return to Arkham wasnt even available to download on PSN.
On the subreddit I remember seeing Minh saying the same thing and even posted screenshots of it not being on their store but it was for other people. Not sure why. Maybe it's a Quebec thing?
@@JudgementNutter I remember that. That had nothing to do with my question.
Thumbnail is gonna give me nightmares 😫
So with Pat revisiting older game series, has he expressed any interest in playing the Metal Gear series on stream?
Dumb secondary question, has he ever played Kingdom Hearts?
On the old channel they started a playthrough of it, but it was one of the last games and it was barely started when the channel ended.
@@thelaughingrouge And also Pat wasn't part of that LP.
Pat had mentioned on the podcast he enjoyed KH2 gameplay
@@ChrisMerkelStudios Right you are, I don't know why I thought that LP was Matt and Pat.
@@thelaughingrouge You may have had it confused with the other ongoing LP at the time, which was Star Trek.
Terry the Lalafel
Does Pat know that one of Batman's arms is either bigger or smaller then the other?
Curious to see what kind of critiques Pat has for this remaster. As someone who played the PC version at least once every year since launch, this remaster looks and feels like it needed another six months in the oven.
forgot this game had 1st person sections
I wish I could throw in some subs too. Gotta put my coins into a piggy bank.
Gotta say, the absolute toxicity of CoD gaming really seemed stupid to me, and I basically never played any CoD except at my friend's house and never owned one till the 2019 remake where it was one quick keybind to mute the lobby. Sometimes I would listen into some of the dumb toxic crap people would spout, and I'd laugh in their faces and say "harder daddy" because nothing fucks with an insecure man more than thinking he's turning another guy on. The worst people just left their mics on with kids crying or just constantly talked shit or saying the game was bullshit repeatedly even though nobody else was talking the whole match. My question I always wanted to know the answer to was "if this game is so trash, unfair, and bullshit why do you play it?"
Oops, all Bane.
Origins is rough. I remember liking it okay but a recent play through just demonstrated how unfinished the game is and I just wanted to play City again.
The best part of Origins is the boss fights; all of them are better than anything Rocksteady did, who only really got inventive with the Mr Freeze fight.
@@MrStath1986 I mean, I thought that too but then I replayed it and many of them were just regular enemies or retread Titan dudes from Asylum but with health bars.
2:29:20
In this remaster, scans will say subject obscured if there's a whole ass wall between you and the riddle solution or Arkham scarab plaque. It's bullshit. Also the colour it scans things is wrong. The brown colour is supposed to be for scanning solutions but in the remaster it's that brown every time and it doesn't fade out it just cuts. Unfinished game
Arkham Asylum but the characters are replaced with shiny porcelain dolls
That N-word speedrun is depressing...
i don't even like superheroes except for um, that second christian bale movie and the deadpool movies, but this game is pretty cool. city is super boring though
Damn, i stop watching Pat's stuff for a few weeks and he goes full sellout streamer, haha, love this game tho
Wai wait wait, this game seriously only runs at 30 fps on the PS5 ?, I've been playing this game at 60 fps since 2009
SPIDER-MAN & BATMAN vs VENOM & JOKER
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This game is one of the best but the Riddler stuff completely nukes it. Strong Metal Gear Solid vibes (alone, surrounded by enemies. Equipment is procure on sight), but the Riddler stuff ssssuuuuuucccckkkkks.
And they didnt make them any better in the sequels.
I happened to enjoy the Riddler stuff. Not the trophy collecting, but solving the riddles with the camera. Wish it had more of the latter and less of the former.
@@jeremiahstenzel789 I just wish there was a better reward than just the recording of Riddler getting arrested.
@@jeremiahstenzel789 yeah the camera puzzles are the best riddler stuff - and that includes the allignment puzzles.
The "break open a wall for literally nothing but a trophy" moments suck.
Nah in this game it's more like a Moab. Knight gets nuked pretty hard with it's ending being tied to it. Some of the puzzles are fun and I find it super funny how much time the riddler put into it. However I don't like it being mandatory.
Oh god the acting in Harley Quinn's audio logs is terrible. Good thing Arkham Origins retcons how she and Joker met.
This is not a popular opinion to have, particularly as Asylum is the ONLY game to feature Harley Quinn's original VA, but it's one I share.
I'm just going to assume Sorkin's delivery in those logs was a direction issue, rather than an acting issue, because there is an episode in TAS where Sorkin voices Quinzel before she meets Joker and she manages to actually sound like a normal person instead of someone that would raise ALL the red flags to any halfway competent personnel manager.
@@ChrisMerkelStudios Oh crap. I thought Tara Strong voiced Harley in the whole trilogy and Asylum was where she had trouble getting into the role. But you're right, the direction of the logs is worst part, making her so naïve she immediately falls for Joker.
@@chrisdaughen5257 Well, technically, she did voice Harley for _a_ trilogy. It's just that that trilogy includes Origins and excludes Asylum.
Chat: "Oh no! Toxic children on COD? How terrible! It's so sad to hear them say such ignorant and hateful things."
Also chat: "COPS?! I haven't met a single one of them that you're talking about, but I'll assume they're all murderers and rac*sts."
Hello, toxic children~
My favorite argument from the ACAB crowd is that the only "good cops" are the ones who quit.
They really don't like it when you point out that if all the good cops leave, you're stuck dealing exclusively with bad cops. Can't change the system from outside of it, no matter how much you want to.