Restoring a 50 year old Machinist Vice
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Only really one additional comment of somethings you can add to the vice to make it more useful
1. The unused large screw location on the side of the vice - That is used to fabricate a work-piece stop: Very useful with the DRO on the machine for repeatability
2. If you look under the vice again you will see several slots - They are the same width as your T-slots: You can bolt in a pair of pieces of ground toolsteel - shape a taper on the lower slide and they will be fixed in the T-slot and aligned almost perfectly with the machine bed - That allows you to make notes of the fixed vice location with the DRO so you don't have to clock the vice for every job
The older vice looks way better than today's boxy designs. It's very sleek in appearance.
There are very few more satisfying things in life than restoring mechanical components and putting it all back together again! Great job 👏
Nice restoration! One thing: I didn't see any lube during assembly. IMO, every metal to metal surface should be lubed during assembly, including screws.
Jim Ronchetto totally agree. Never put a dry screw in a dry hole
Yes, and, that goes for flesh to flesh surfaces as well.
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Always makes me happy when someone tells me that they are working through all my old videos, so I figured I would let you know I am now doing the same for your channel. Great work, it’s been a fun few days.
9:20 the vice looks unhappy even terrified getting the filler treatment
ryan webb kmHey Siri
You could have skimmed the ways and machined surfaces with your mill, it'd be faster and more accurate. That vice probably is out of square on all axes now.
Im not a machinist, but that is exactly what I was thinking...
I think the only reference surface on that type of vice is the removable jaws. When its mounted all he has to do is tram that surface in and lock it down.
Like jordan said, only the fixed jaw of a vice is to be taken as a reference surface. If you tram that in you are done. The only association that needs to be perfect is the angle between the vertical of the fixed jaw and the axis of the spindle which need to be parallel. Then the x axis is trammed in and that's it. No other part if the vice needs to be square to anything.
@@stathisbikos6563 In a way you're right. If the bottom of the vice was true, it's not now. So, anything else he does with it won't matter. It will be out.
@@stathisbikos6563 except if the thing is warped since he sanded the bottom and it's probably not flat anymore and when you mount non flat surface to a falt one, you'll twist it. You can't tram a warp out easily or not at all. Then he'd have to shim that bottom surface and that would ruin the contact surface area and cause other issues with stability etc... so umm...
pro tip: polished stone tiles from a store (like the 3-5cm thick ones) are usually astonishingly flat, much flatter than any piece of particle board could ever be, so those make the perfect surface for sanding something flat on a budget. (sure its not as good as a proper flat stone but still)
No Grease during reassembly? I'm Triggered..
Easy there My Mechanics
@@Cole-xq2tl my very first thought...
I 3D printed a hand knob for when I am placing small parts in my vice rather than having to crank around the whole handle. Then I tighten it with the regular handle.
The other tin I did was machine a step in the top of each jaw for holding small bars and plates.
Kudos on this project! There are foundry employees, manufacturering personnel, industrial reps, setting up in their graves applauding the product that they manufactured a century ago that sits proudly on your milling table. Beautiful remanufacturing job.
I love how detailed oriented you are when you do your projects. Awesome job man. Love the videos.
Discovered this channel pretty much right after deciding to make a custom desk, funny coincidence.
Nothing better than using a tool or machine that you have restored. Well done.
I like your videos, but the music was louder than your voice in some parts of ths, like when you were talking about refinishing the machine screws.
11:15 when a vice has a better paint job than my car.
Loved this, your content is still so top notch! Looking forward to the next ones!
This was so oddly satisfying! I love how much work you put into restoring such a beautiful and useful machine. Such a labor of love!! Great job!!
Awesome Restoration, i cant imagine the pleasure of working with the Brand New Restored Vice
Recently 'discovered' your channel.
Great content and skilled restauration. Besides that, also the editing and quality of the video is very high.
You deserve much more subscribers! Won't take long before your channel takes a flight... 💪👍
Beautiful work my man, I would have been fine with way less lol
I got a good tip once: try to swap the bearing plate (16:13) out for a needle thrust bearing. That way the screw will go much easier and smoother.
after watching this , im going to have to restore mine !! great restore
Great job! Very inspiring.
I discovered your channel a couple of weeks ago and i love your videos.
One thing that can be improved is the different sound level between moments when you talk and moments of music. I always need to play with the volume :)
Keep up!
They made beautiful vises back in the day.
Nice to see someone that is not using nitrile cloves all the time.
That now has to be the nicest looking vice I've ever seen! Great job and fantastic attention to detail!
Can’t wait to see this vice used in a new video!
Looks like a old palmgren vise. Nice job
Love that restoration. That old clamp is a sexy bit of kit for the shop. So much better than something from Harbor Freight!
congrats on finding the hardest way to refinish it
When taping the parts, instead of using knife to cut the edges, use sandpaper.
When paint stripping, wrap the whole thing in cling film, this way, when you unwrap it..most of the stripped paint will carry over with the film, less & faster clean up.
Wow! Great video. Huge variety of angles, great close-ups and well edited. That's a lot of work. Cool vise, too.
That turned out sharp! That paint/filler job is crazy.
One of my subscribers told me to check out this video... Glad he did! Awesome job! Thanks!
This looks amazing! I love the shine on that!
Beautiful restoration (also the Bridgeport). Subscribed, looking forward to more!
I actually subscribed before you finished. Love your attention to detail. Thanks mate. 🇦🇺👍
Great restoration my friend,great job and color,keep up the good work !!!!
Another outstanding restoration! You definitely posses the right ingredients for this stuff, patience & persistence. A few things, not criticisms, more quality of life suggestions. Get yourself a brass hammer for persuading things together. A small set of rifling files make life much easier for the intricate & limited access finishing jobs. Make yourself a speed handle for the vice. Once again, great job! :)
Great video! But tbh...I wouldn't sand those jaws on a piece of MDF like that, especially with such coarse paper. Those are typically ground and you can get the rust off with chemicals, and polish it with a very fine fiber wheel or something.
But then again vice jaws are more or less a consumable item so it's not the end of the world. And since he remembered to alternate sanding directions I would be surprised if its much out of true.
Well jaws are the least problem of any vice...since it's replaceble.
@@oslogutt80 Jaws for a 50 year old vise are not generally available off the shelf, so that means making some. To make some you need some tool steel (not cheap), a mill, a heat treatment oven for hardening and tempering (and the skills to go with that), and a surface grinder (and the skills to go with that).
Those jaws were in pretty good condition and just needed cleaning. Now they're not usable for the purpose the vise was made for.
@@oslogutt80 HE didn't replace them, did he?
@@CraigsWorkshop Yes. But he has messed up the whole thing anyway. The moment he started to sand the bottom.
An outstanding job with deepest attention for details. 👏👏👏
It looks more like a miracle than a restoration! 😮
Great video! Thanks for taking your time and showing how you work.
New to your channel. Really enjoyed this video. I’m starting the binge process on your older videos. 😂
damn that lathe makes a lot of metal clanking noises, your sure there is enough oil in the gearbox? or are the bearings f*ck*d up?
it's called cold blue because traditional blueing is done by heating the metal to cherry red then quenching in oil, resulting in a black rust protective coating :) cheers from Sverige, love your channel
Good job, well done !
Greetings from Bavaria (Germany)
That was amazingly satisfying. Subscribed :)
Loved the video and the result, it's a really beautiful addition to the mill. I don't mind the music so much, but when you're speaking, I'd rather hear you talking! Either way, you've got a new sub from me, keep up the great work.
Found your channel last weekend and watched a whole bunch of your videos since then. Your awesome. Love the channel.
Great job taking it to an automotive finish. I didn’t for my vise restoration (see it on my channel) and mine took forever so I can’t imagine how much footage isn’t in this video. Taking tape off is satisfying!
That looks amazing!
When I saw him sand the base of the vise I wanted to cry! Not a precision vise anymore
Matthew Sweet With a belt sander, no less!
@@bucknaked31 He used a vibrating sander with a Scotch-Brite pad on. is it's not ideal if you want ultimate precision but the amount of material removed is very small mostly it's rust the surface rust being removed.
Frost I get that after reading other comments... it’s when I first saw it my reaction was to walk out into the shop from the office and fire him! Lol
@@coolfrost6 He just killed his vice, sliding parts should be fitted each other with scraping process and vice itself should be fitted with the milling machine table.
This is the example of how the scraping process should look: www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/scraping-my-chinese-vise-170478/
I felt the same way, but then stepped back a little. For the way he's likely to use this vise, it's almost certainly no worse than the cheap vises folks buy new these days. Not sure we'll ever see a test indicator around there :)
Awesome job, and also the best blue color!
You did an EXCELLENT job!! The only one thing I would have done in addition is to repair the chips on the Vise Jaws by welding and then dressing them. Other than that - it's spectacular!
Amazing restoration, it's a different kind of restoration video and i like it, subscribed!
Awesome video the difference is definitely in the details you put in.
Fantastic result!! Great work this is the 4th video in a row on your channel, great content 👍🏻
I really love your restoration, really wonderful job 👍
It looks extremely nice! The result is very clean!
This is a fantastic refurb job. I'm really impressed by your attention to detail.. Keep it up!! Cheers,
If you really want to see the attention to details then check channel called "My Mechanics" - the guy is probably the best in restoring old stuff
Amazing work here! Looking forward for more :)
Fantastic job
thanks Giaco ✌️
Both you guys have gotten me really pumped on shop organization recently! Lord knows I need it. Thanks for posting quality vids!
Great vide, and the vice turned out awesome (even better in real life :D ) keep up the good work buddy
Flokroll Projects thanks man ✌️ can't wait for your next video to come out 🔥
Good job. But it was in great shape, to be honest. Just dirty. Jaws looked almost mint, not really "rough".
And it's called cold blue because it's selenium oxide @ room temperature. If you used potassium nitrite you would also have to heat it up, and it would be hot bluing.
either way he skipped the important part of soaking the parts in oil like he should
Love to see Czechoslovakian vise in the world 😍😍😍😍
Looks nice to go with your mill but.....If you plan on using a vise I'd get an angle-loc style. I had to use those old style vises years ago and hated them.
The problem is the jaw trys to lift when you tighten it down. Makes it very frustrating trying to get your work tapped down tight on a pair of parallels.
Restoring it as a "period" vise to match your mill is fine but in my opinion they serve better as a boat anchor.
loved the choice of music. great restoration
you're really good at this keep it up man
you know those patch jobs other restauration youtubers come across? guys like this made em
I really wish I had some of your skills..good job!
This color is beautiful!
Damn that looks smooth! Like a 60s sports car. Nice work, did you do any measurements afterwards? Would be interesting to know what the geometry is like after removing all the rust
Thanks Phil :) no I haven't measured anything yet. I'll probably have to eventually, if for nothing else than to satisfy my curiosity :P
Thanks, that turned out great!
I enjoy watching all your videos. congratulations
Only 21.5K subs? Feels like this channel should be 20X that amount, great vids dude.
Man, I just stumbled across your channel.. I’m glad I stuck around! Great videos!!
Now you need to refinish the rest of the Bridgeport to match that gorgeous blue. ;) (LOL)
Нельзя шлифовать рабочие поверхности тисков, теперь это не фрезерные тиски,а металлолом красивый. Чтобы вернуть им точность, необходимо шабрить поверхности с применением поверочных плит и другой точной оснастки
тоже подумал, что станочные тиски превратились в слесарные. а ведь на первых кадрах фрезер, ожидал, что он как минимум на нем "обкатает" и профрезерует все базовые и рабочие плоскости.
Lissopen там скорее всего они калёные и с фрезеровкой будут танцы с бубном, я недавно советские тиски станочные реставрировал, за не имением плоскошлифа и поверочного инструмента, губки шлифовал вручную на стекле с применением воды и листового образива, заусенцы убрал, конечно ни о какой точности и речи не может быть но более менее можно делать не ответственные вещи
That thing looks like a new car. Great work, and I can tell you're a perfectionist like myself lol.. Great work bud
Awesome resto. 2 things though: you should get a wire wheel for the rust inside the jaws, and you should always use grease any time there is metal touching metal!
Admirable job. Bravo!
Nice restoration mate!
Fantastic restoration! Thanks for sharing
Restauração perfeita !!!
great job great looking vise
Great restoration job Alexandre. Enjoyed every minute of it. Liked and subscribed.👍
Nice job. I did one of these a few months ago as well. Love the baby blue, it really pops!
You may have done this and just not shown it but a bit of light oil on the sliding faces would be a good idea to help with the smoothness of operation, prevention of wear and prevention of future rusting.
As for the body filler that a few people are ripping you for I don't really see an issue. Bridgeport milling machine castings are full of the stuff if you get a bad one. (sorry not seen your restoration on that yet.) Anyway good job, keep the videos coming you just got another subscriber. 👍👍👍
WOW, awesome job! I know some people gave you flack in the previous video about the word 'restoration' as opposed to 'cleaning'. Most were probably Americans like me, but who forget that English is not likely your first language. In the US, and from what I can tell in Europe, there is a real difference in PRACTICE between restoring and cleaning of tools and things like milling machines. At the end of the day, you did a great job on both the mill and vise. The vise really was a restoration, to an even higher degree than many who do these things repeatedly. I know such things are often more expensive in Europe compared to the US, but an ultrasonic cleaner would have made getting the old grease and dirt off much easier. I use Simple Green in mine, which is far better for the environment that oil-based degreasers, not to mention less toxic to people. Of course, there is also something very satisfying about doing those things with elbow grease. To get the rust off, check out the videos of your fellow European the Post Apocalyptic Inventor. He shows how electrolysis using a DC power source with high amps works the fastest and deepest. Also better for the environment than harsh chemicals. The fastest, easiest way to remove paint I have seen so far is vapor blasting, which is sand blasting with water included. Again, not cheap, but the parts can be gotten used separately over time and there are several DIY videos on how to convert sand blasters. Again, no chemicals. I wish I lived in a country where the environment is more highly regarded like it is in Norway! Finally, you didn't show a final degreasing of the metal parts prior to using filler and primer, but probably did use something. Isopropyl alcohol is very often used, along with acetone. I like rubbing alcohol because it's cheaper and less toxic. I know you didn't ask for advice, and clearly don't really need any, just thought I would share some ideas for thought and maybe future planning. Again, you did a GREAT job on both, and look forward to seeing what you make in the future!
Forgot to mention that I had a friend in college from Norway. You both have the same optimistic, enthusiastic attitude, and both pronounce 'together' the exact same way. Brings back fond memories!
That vise Is not flat any More... That does not count as restoration... It looks beautiful but is not longer square for decent work...
Beautiful work, man. That thing is swanky, now.
Awesome restoration!
Outstanding work, great video
Super cool, great job. And to all the arm chair critics, lets see your projects.....and we'll give your our feedback.
Nice job on the vise!!!!
Great work there. Well done!
there's no way that this thing is square
That's what i was thinking. Those jaws have to be .015 out or more now. He'll learn
im my self a machinist and i cringe so hard watching this
What a nice work 🙏🏾
the hole through the base of the vice is not only there to mount the vice but allso to stick a screwdriver through to loosen those screws you used the extremely short angled screwdriver for
watahyahknow sure, that worked for two of the screws, but not the back two.
@@achappel there must be a way to get straight access , i doubt that the factory is putting the vices together with handtools , they wouldnt make a profit so they need to be able to get to the screws some way , a hole through the base or a place where the base is narrower seems to be most logical
beautiful work
Instead of vinegar for rust removal try citric acid in some hot water. Works much faster.
You're quite talented and have a nice breadth of skills.