True. And tactics what differentiate good teams from bad ones, ive found this game extremely psychological. At some point people start to "read the terrain" and u can find and maybe discover different spots. In the end battle is in constant change, so just learn to read a map but tactics can win games easy, even with noobs. The problem is that they never listen lol
Most memorable moment I had was on test server with Jg Pz E 100 and a guy in the tier 10 Chinese Light thought he would come between my back and a wall and farm all those HP by shooting me in the arse. I just backed up and backed over him squashing him to death! Coolest moment in my 8 yrs of playing 😂
Almighty Jagpizda must be played by everyone. T110E3 is a monster, Trashbarn and Deathstar are freaking roulettes and Grille shoots in one game and the shell lands in the next match 😂
The Hori is amazing i got it like a month ago and i absolutely enjoy it to the maximum what i like the most about it is when you play in the city maps you can lurk around the corners snap a shot into the enemy heavy or whoever and just reverse and go back very fast i like the agility of the vehicle definetly a solid 8/10 for this tank
While Grille can definitely work it is one of less liked tank destroyers, but this may very well be a me problem. While certainly accurate when fully aimed you mostly cant hit the broadside of a barn when firing on the move or when snap shooting. I guess thats more or less the same difference in between using aiming device or stabilizer. If you can read the battle and/or your enemies sufficiently enough then aiming device might be a better choice than stabilizer. If you find yourself firing hastily very often stabilizer might be the better option. That having been said, if you are good or very good at pre-aiming Grille certainly works a lot better than if you are not.
Grille is accurate as long as you don't move the gun in the slightest. This is the problem: it doesn't miss vs STATIONARY targets, but with moving targets (and this is something sneaky WG don't tell you, because it's hidden stats) Grille misses a ton, it has KV-2 levels of accuracy while moving the gun. Improved aiming, experimental turbo, consumables and BIA mitigate this but it's still bad. Waffle PZ IV is way better at snapshots
@@juanjodpr Waffle is just the better tank in general, it can peek in reverse and if done properly will barely have to aim while grille can't peek without becoming the most enormous target and blooming like a KV-2. Also it might be APCR but I def. prefer that 360mm pen and 1700m/s
The problem with Grille is the matchmaking. City map, tier 8s, 2 tier 10s (1 td & 1 spg) and 3 tier 9s. Enemy td is the almighty Jagdpizda. You're forced to sit back while hes plowing through your tier 8 heavies like butter with that damage and armor as well as hp while you are begging them to not shoot HE at you.
Jag e 100 was in a similar situation to the t57 heavy. Both were once considered situational at best but have grown into the meta due to their high alpha/burst damage.
@@borath1992 , not so this: Both are at the same tier or should be on but Grille can't have 900 hp, was nerfed to 850; Ho-Ri 3 has 1000 hp. Check terrain resistances, check armor. How is fucking possible Grille having so bad terrain resitances weighting half of Ho-Ri. And it goes on. Check Grille 15 gun elevation and gun depression, totally arbitrary values that simply do not match vehicles geometry. It is ok to balance the vehicle but they should have some sense. Another absurd is how Grille 15 having 10 times less armor it has only half the weight of Ho-Ri. Really Wargaming physics are fantastic. Where is the fucking 40t of Grille if that piece of shit has no armor. Grille is made of Lead while other vehicles are made of steel. It is a joke, really it is unbeliveable.
@@borath1992 , in the old WOT opened vehicles had better statistics to compensate damage from HE and lack of vents: they gave better view range and better gun stats. Today they inverted that. Open vehicles with ridiculous bad view range. Simply non armored vehicles are not working because they are underpowered: bad view range, bad armor, bad mobility, bad gun handling and bad penetration. And SIgma. The sigma on this vehicles is ridiculous bad. Play Panther tank. It has good dispersion but the shots simply flies to the edges of the circle. It is the same with Borsig and Grille. You can't hit nothing. It is irritating. If KV-2 or Grom had this sigma they could not hit anything. So sigma is a reality, you can notice it in the game and it is not balancing well the vehicles, saddly.
My favorite tank is WZ-113G FG and that is maybe because I have done my first 10 K game with it. I have many games between 5 k to 9 k. I play an aggressive game style with it, not sniping from the back.
@killertruth186 tier 7, I don't play this game much anymore. Wargaming has killed most of the fun in this game with all the new BS tanks and it has become pay to win.
the fun thing about JPE100 420mm HEAT is, against the 60TP, you would still need to aim for the weakspot from the front and you can't pen the upper plate. you have a 4.5% chance of penetrating the upper plate with 420 HEAT. which is funny, because you have 99% chance of penetrating maus's upper plate and turret.
@@epicsnowleapard yes, true but that applies to quite a number of tanks like AMX M4, and S conq at tier X (and some other you can pen straight through the turret or mantle) a lot of tier X heavy tank front upper plate can be penetrated with some 340mm HEAT with 90%+ chance, this just show how broken 60TP is, because it wont pen, there is 5% chance so 0% chance. IS4, ST-II, rino, Vz55, wz111 5A, type 5, maus, type 71, MVY, obj777, lower part of upper plate of 705A etc all get pen like paper with 340MM heat on the upper plate there is no reason why 60TP's armor has to be that exceptional and with all the weakspots so spread out instead of one single large weakspot like E5's coupla or E100's lower plate.
i dont get how the tier 9 hori would be rated epic the gun is abysmal i had bounty stuff food and everything i could and it misses so much no matter the range if its close combat cupola rng fest or long range sniping
I love my tier 9 Hori a lot. One of the most fun TDs. The combination of mobility, armor and high alpha gun with good gun handling (for this alpha) makes it so good in my opinion.
@@lightning794 I think u just got unlucky, sometimes guns just keep missing even tho their gun handling is definitely pretty good in general. But I feel you, even the leo 1 gun trolls way too much, to the point I am convinced it is not even that good😂
@@lightning794 they all do that tho =/ I don't remember hori1 gun to be that horrible but tbh I expected a lot more from that tank as t9 is usually my fav but in this case the t10 is soo much better
Knowing that one of Skill's favorite TD of 2024 is the same as my favorite t10 TD, the mighty Jagpizda, warms my little NA baboon heart! Edit: And my second favorite one is shared too, with the Ho-Ri 3!
I like how all the tier 8 premium counterparts of t10 TDs are so much better and more fun to play. Skorpion G is actually more accurate, mobile and flexible than f*ing Grille 15, that ass of a tank.
Map knowledge is what differentiates good players from great players. Knowing all the angles and shots you can make from the different positions.
Indeed
True. And tactics what differentiate good teams from bad ones, ive found this game extremely psychological. At some point people start to "read the terrain" and u can find and maybe discover different spots. In the end battle is in constant change, so just learn to read a map but tactics can win games easy, even with noobs. The problem is that they never listen lol
so true
Most memorable moment I had was on test server with Jg Pz E 100 and a guy in the tier 10 Chinese Light thought he would come between my back and a wall and farm all those HP by shooting me in the arse. I just backed up and backed over him squashing him to death! Coolest moment in my 8 yrs of playing 😂
"Congratulations, you hit me once.... you hit me twice... you hit me three times... ☄️💥... and you're back at yhe garage" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Almighty Jagpizda must be played by everyone. T110E3 is a monster, Trashbarn and Deathstar are freaking roulettes and Grille shoots in one game and the shell lands in the next match 😂
The Hori is amazing i got it like a month ago and i absolutely enjoy it to the maximum what i like the most about it is when you play in the city maps you can lurk around the corners snap a shot into the enemy heavy or whoever and just reverse and go back very fast i like the agility of the vehicle definetly a solid 8/10 for this tank
While Grille can definitely work it is one of less liked tank destroyers, but this may very well be a me problem. While certainly accurate when fully aimed you mostly cant hit the broadside of a barn when firing on the move or when snap shooting. I guess thats more or less the same difference in between using aiming device or stabilizer. If you can read the battle and/or your enemies sufficiently enough then aiming device might be a better choice than stabilizer. If you find yourself firing hastily very often stabilizer might be the better option. That having been said, if you are good or very good at pre-aiming Grille certainly works a lot better than if you are not.
Grille is accurate as long as you don't move the gun in the slightest. This is the problem: it doesn't miss vs STATIONARY targets, but with moving targets (and this is something sneaky WG don't tell you, because it's hidden stats) Grille misses a ton, it has KV-2 levels of accuracy while moving the gun. Improved aiming, experimental turbo, consumables and BIA mitigate this but it's still bad. Waffle PZ IV is way better at snapshots
@@juanjodpr Waffle is just the better tank in general, it can peek in reverse and if done properly will barely have to aim while grille can't peek without becoming the most enormous target and blooming like a KV-2. Also it might be APCR but I def. prefer that 360mm pen and 1700m/s
The problem with Grille is the matchmaking.
City map, tier 8s, 2 tier 10s (1 td & 1 spg) and 3 tier 9s.
Enemy td is the almighty Jagdpizda. You're forced to sit back while hes plowing through your tier 8 heavies like butter with that damage and armor as well as hp while you are begging them to not shoot HE at you.
Hi from the Jagdpizda in Safe Haven battle and just like you said: "brother from another mother" :)
Jag e 100 was in a similar situation to the t57 heavy. Both were once considered situational at best but have grown into the meta due to their high alpha/burst damage.
just like Grille but with a workable pen, with gun handling and with armor and everything.
you forgot CAMO. HO-RI 3 has 12.1 % base and Grille 7.8% Base. just ridiculous.
Edit: and view Range, hori has 400 and grille 390 Base.
@@borath1992 , not so this:
Both are at the same tier or should be on but Grille can't have 900 hp, was nerfed to 850; Ho-Ri 3 has 1000 hp. Check terrain resistances, check armor. How is fucking possible Grille having so bad terrain resitances weighting half of Ho-Ri.
And it goes on. Check Grille 15 gun elevation and gun depression, totally arbitrary values that simply do not match vehicles geometry.
It is ok to balance the vehicle but they should have some sense.
Another absurd is how Grille 15 having 10 times less armor it has only half the weight of Ho-Ri. Really Wargaming physics are fantastic. Where is the fucking 40t of Grille if that piece of shit has no armor. Grille is made of Lead while other vehicles are made of steel.
It is a joke, really it is unbeliveable.
@@borath1992 , in the old WOT opened vehicles had better statistics to compensate damage from HE and lack of vents: they gave better view range and better gun stats. Today they inverted that. Open vehicles with ridiculous bad view range. Simply non armored vehicles are not working because they are underpowered: bad view range, bad armor, bad mobility, bad gun handling and bad penetration.
And SIgma. The sigma on this vehicles is ridiculous bad.
Play Panther tank. It has good dispersion but the shots simply flies to the edges of the circle. It is the same with Borsig and Grille. You can't hit nothing. It is irritating. If KV-2 or Grom had this sigma they could not hit anything. So sigma is a reality, you can notice it in the game and it is not balancing well the vehicles, saddly.
Grille + Strv are my favourites.. i hope there will be some cool new TD's coming soon (Snipers!) :)
Waiting on Czech TDs myself. Hell, a line of German TDs with the star rifle gun would be dope on a E 100 Platform.
FV and Jagdpizda are 100% on the list! 3rd guess is BOBLYAT!
My favorite tank is WZ-113G FG and that is maybe because I have done my first 10 K game with it. I have many games between 5 k to 9 k. I play an aggressive game style with it, not sniping from the back.
I have 2 of the 3, I'm still working on the shitbarn. After I get it i will work in getting the 3rd one on the list
How far are you on the shitbarn?
I dont like the shit barn butt i keep it
@killertruth186 tier 7, I don't play this game much anymore. Wargaming has killed most of the fun in this game with all the new BS tanks and it has become pay to win.
@@anthonyware4033 tru the fun its gone, its a shit show
the fun thing about JPE100 420mm HEAT is, against the 60TP, you would still need to aim for the weakspot from the front and you can't pen the upper plate. you have a 4.5% chance of penetrating the upper plate with 420 HEAT. which is funny, because you have 99% chance of penetrating maus's upper plate and turret.
There's many funny ways to pen a 60tp with 420 heat
You can pen 60TP turret ring no matter which way it's facing, that's one reason why I don't like playing it
@@epicsnowleapard yes, true but that applies to quite a number of tanks like AMX M4, and S conq at tier X (and some other you can pen straight through the turret or mantle) a lot of tier X heavy tank front upper plate can be penetrated with some 340mm HEAT with 90%+ chance, this just show how broken 60TP is, because it wont pen, there is 5% chance so 0% chance.
IS4, ST-II, rino, Vz55, wz111 5A, type 5, maus, type 71, MVY, obj777, lower part of upper plate of 705A etc all get pen like paper with 340MM heat on the upper plate there is no reason why 60TP's armor has to be that exceptional and with all the weakspots so spread out instead of one single large weakspot like E5's coupla or E100's lower plate.
@@Terrorbrot have fun aiming missing and bouncing.
@@aa1944-k2r 60TP turret ring sticks out on the sides and is pretty easy to hit. It's a great anti noob tank but that's all it is.
i dont get how the tier 9 hori would be rated epic the gun is abysmal i had bounty stuff food and everything i could and it misses so much no matter the range if its close combat cupola rng fest or long range sniping
I love my tier 9 Hori a lot. One of the most fun TDs. The combination of mobility, armor and high alpha gun with good gun handling (for this alpha) makes it so good in my opinion.
@kubka4 yeah its fun when it hits but when you miss 100meter stationary lower plate shots then it is not fun at all
@@lightning794 I think u just got unlucky, sometimes guns just keep missing even tho their gun handling is definitely pretty good in general. But I feel you, even the leo 1 gun trolls way too much, to the point I am convinced it is not even that good😂
@@lightning794 they all do that tho =/ I don't remember hori1 gun to be that horrible but tbh I expected a lot more from that tank as t9 is usually my fav but in this case the t10 is soo much better
and Nein! means Nein! xDD i laughed so hard, greetings from Germany
Dann hast du dich wahrscheinlich auch über den Sh*ttalk im Chat beim Grille 15 Game totgelacht so wie ich xD
Hori 3 is the best Tier X TD. Nothing gets even close.
Knowing that one of Skill's favorite TD of 2024 is the same as my favorite t10 TD, the mighty Jagpizda, warms my little NA baboon heart!
Edit: And my second favorite one is shared too, with the Ho-Ri 3!
I love my Hori so much, I think its my best dpg tank
what aobut mino?
What happening with Skill, Why is he not streaming? What did I miss?
Ho-Ri 3 is not what that tank was before
I like how all the tier 8 premium counterparts of t10 TDs are so much better and more fun to play.
Skorpion G is actually more accurate, mobile and flexible than f*ing Grille 15, that ass of a tank.
SKill is already make year end videos
Lol, someone's got to tell the selma that he cannot passively spot behind a hill🤦♂️
what's with the teams these days, unenjoyable matches all day, and it even gets worse with December new year event...
Two out of these three tanks have trollish guns, aka bad rng. Ho Ri is the only actual good one here.
Grille gun...brhhhh
skill play Hotchkiss EBR, last video april 2020
1... 2.... 3... you're in the garage
All of them is RNG (rigged number generator) based
I think you'll find every tank is rng-based 😁
RNG stands for Random Number Generator... But your interpretation sounds more accurate tbh.
@@Lupo-Exulans I know, I didn’t write “rigged” by accident
@@justjosh11 like I said, “all of them”
4 2 0 *blinking*
I have avg or below avg games, keep it up skieeeeeeeeell
Hori crap that’s a cool tank!😂
Sorry Skill but Grille 15 is Trash the gun is super unreliable
Incorrect it just punishes bad aim
First
Nah. Obj 268 is the best 😆
So the rest of the tanks suck thanks