He didn't know she was a diamond let alone what diamonds are capable of.... So I figure he talked to her like a human does, wether its shit your giving or encouragement, talking helps improve more then we imagine
scuttles over Pink: displays obvious signs of depression due to a shitty home life yet still tries to smile to make Spinel happy Spinel: haha let's play, if u smile tht means there's nothing wrong and ur happy :) u know that job you've always wanted that u will take so god damn seriously? i wanna play, i'm gonna play there and- oh, ur leaving? u have other friends?? ur literally dead after improving as a person and getting a better family who treat u properly and actually notice ur poor emotional state and do their best to help??? alright, guess it's time for mass genocide haha :) my favorite game, yep, mass murder is a game lol angrily scuttles away
I think her flaw as a diamond was being childlike, she was young at heart, to the point she lacked the maturity to realize what she was doing to everyone around her and it took Greg to finally show the slightest bit of repercussions for her actions; like the egocentric stage of childhood. Hence, why she decided to give up her form to become a better version of herself by making Steven with the traits of herself and Greg. I don’t think she is a villain per say but, due to what her “flaw” as a diamond made her oblivious too has caused her to be a past tense antagonist for Steven’s life.
I think she knew the most she was a diamond, diamonds r evil and powerful after being fascinated by a baby maybe she felt like that was the best route how it got too the diamonds idk but they were there for as family and steven became a man , but her being with connie im actually wondering that
Pink daimond couldn't help spinel. It was impossible. She had keep the lie that pink daimond was shattered, otherwise the daimonds wouldnt have cared about a silly rebellion. And going to fetch' or even being seen with spinel would've revealed that she was pink. Spinel isnt exactly a subtle gem. Going back to fetch her later, would've revealed she was pink. Basically it would have been worse overall for her to save spinel for everyone.
@@SimplyAWitch9 She could've told spinel to rotate her gem, switch around her colors, anything to not get caught. Pink could've even told the diamonds Spinel went haywire, and ran off to join the rebellion.
Christopher Cordero When you take into account Pearl’s and Rose’s respective speeches about growth in Three Gems And a Baby and in Greg The Babysitter, also remember that White, the supreme Diamond who taught everything to all her kind was called out for being childish, that does make sense.
Part of me thinks she just got bored of earth and it is actually possible to have a kid as a gem and not die and decided to fake her death (AGAIN) because she is a giant baby
Steven's relationship/interpretations of his mom are some of my favorite moments in the show, so when Steven said "I can't believe mom would do that to you...actually, I can *totally* believe it," I died laughing.
The way pinks pearl, volleyball described the incident with pink diamond was exactly what an abuse victim would say. “She didn’t mean to hurt me, I just happened to be standing in the way” “you know how she is”. Essentially making excuses for her.
Dude, EVERYTHING Pearl says about Rose are things traditionally said by abuse victims. "It's over, isn't it? Why can't I move on?", (after being asked by Volleyball how she stopped hurting) "I didn't", "Sorry for not believing you, it looks like I still make excuses for her" and the classic "Maybe she was childish, maybe even selfish, but she was a good person".
@@taylor-ray4893 Bismuth was trying to shatter homeworld gems and the diamonds. If you checked the Bismuth episode, Bismuth said "That's exactly what Rose said" rose explained, but bismuth didn't listen so she had no choice but to bubble her It's different.
@@uberoll5166 I've watched the show and I have my own views on it. Bismuth wanted to shatter Gems they were at war with. War. Makes sense when you believe this is a war and that your leader shattered one of the Diamonds already and your friends are dying around you daily. And then Rose let the remaining Crystal Gems believe that Bismuth had been lost to the war instead of telling them the truth. Which screwed them and Bismuth up more.
Taylor-Ray you’re right. Rose lying to the others was bad, but poofing Bismuth was a hard decision she HAD to make at the time. Introducing the Breaking Point would’ve divided the Crystal Gems because not all of them would agree/disagree with her. They’d be fighting amongst themselves AND fight off Homeworld. Bismuth would’ve made things worse.
Technically she is. She shows she has a personality, feelings, emotions, and even gives off bodily liquids like a living person. I mean after all ; a gem is basically made from the life within the world.
Didnt like white dimonond abuse and literally poses the other diamond and broke white pearl ,yellow poff two lawyer,literally destroyed planets which had living things on it,blue trying to like garnet because they accidentally fused when ruby SAVED saffiare, but yes pink is the bad one because she left spindal,but even then remember when she left she was going to EARTH,where she idk WAS FIGHTING TO SAVE EARTH!i mean its not like she could go back to spindal,the warps were broken not to mention the corupend gems that the DIAMONDS CAUSED!!and even if she could go back she is in the form of rose so i dont think spindal would leave,
Now im not excuseing her actions but remember,she just got done with a war and is now having to bubble all of her former friends because of white,yellow and blue,and the warps dont even work so its not like she could have when back and helped
@@giannagacha4706 to be fair the diamonds literally treated her like a child,but thats not all they also LITERALLY ABUSED HER! They lock her in a dark lonely tower for who knows how long given time work different for them,for the most petty of reasons,its like locking a child in a broom closet because they failed a math test,but thats not it
@@giannagacha4706 they also broke white pearl because pink and peral were having fun,white litterally said she would repress pink and all the diamond either abused or ignore her,and also keep in mind even tho she was seen as a child at best or at or a abomination she was still a diamond and as such told every one was beneather her so no wonder she didnt show alot of empathy on homeworld because when she did she was punished/abused
Hell, bismuth was a good idea compared to spinel. Bismuth disagreed with rose/pink. Therefor she had to be removed or risk becoming a radical. (It's still not ok, but at least she has a reason) Spinel spent her existence making Pink happy. Then one day, Pink gets a shiny new toy (colony) and tells her old toy to stay there and never move. She has no reason other than "i'm bored of you. you belong in the garbage now."
Yes your the first person to bring her up! She had locked bismuth away for god knows how long and told NO ONE, bismuth was atleast lucky she wasent consious for those thoudands of years, poor spinel was consious for 6 THOUSAND years.
“If I could be...half of what you think of me...I could do without anything...I could even learn to love like you...” “I always thought I must be bad, but now I’m sure...cause...I think you’re so good and I’m nothing like you.” I really think it’s mostly from Pink’s perspective. She wasn’t perfect, she made mistakes. She, like the other diamonds, didn’t understand others like we do. But she still loved things like Greg and her son. This is why Steven is the perfect protagonist for this story because he’s the representation of Pink learning what love is. In Steven, he feels more emotion than other characters which is why characters just flock to him. He understands them and makes them understand. Pink made horrible mistakes but, on a human level, we do too. It doesn’t excuse what she did but we also have to understand that Pink wasn’t human with human values. Which makes the things she’s done more believable. This was further exemplified in the episode where Greg tried to fuse with her and she laughed but then stopped when Greg was crying. “Why are you crying?” She says this with a look of genuine curiosity but to us it was clear as day why Greg was upset. Those kinds of human values are what separates us from people like the Diamonds. She’s something that was trying to learn what makes these strange humans so interesting. And I can bet you that part of the reason why she found humans so fascinating was their differences in values. Values that seem to make no sense to gems but an impractical sense to us. She wanted to learn to “love like you” like Greg and other humans (because she found it so amazing). Pink may have been cruel but she was also extremely ignorant.
Wow, that is a really fair point that I do agree with. It's unfair to judge rose/pink based as if she was human. Also, she was held up to a very high standard, being a diamond. So it makes sense she would rebel against the other diamonds because they pretended to be perfect, so if pink made a mistake, she would want to hide it. And with that amount of pressure, it makes sense that she would run because she was never taught how to cope with those kinds of feelings.
This is my viewpoint actually. Although I do need to act that Pink’s psychology is as a human too. Even the gems and diamonds themselves. They are all imperfect and driven by an ambition to colonize and reproduce. Pink is that pivotal role of the realization of the evil within their empire. I do not know if we can call this human, but I really think that this is how we behave. With all the habitus or ingrained ideologies from our own nation/tribes, we are often pushed to fight for it or even cause fight for it. However, there are people who break free from it then realizes the mistake. That is what Pink represents. I do think that the story and characters have bis o flaw, but to end on a note that Pink diamond is merely acting upon selfishness is a bad analysis towards their behavior. Ever since the beginning of the show, they acted like humans; ergo, it is presumably sufficient to say that they can be analyzed as humans.
@U Upsetting_toast yeah but really though its quite strange to think about. Im surprised there was never even a episode where they acidently warped there, they could have thought spinel was a statue too, Now that would be cool
I like the pink diamond plot twist. The fact that the main villain of the series is a essentially a dead person a lot of people idolized intrigues me. The fact that they foreshadowed it so well too.
Basically Pink Diamond is a kid who treats everyone like a toy, once she finds a newer, more fascinating toy, she'll disregard the old one and give the new one her love and the cycle repeats .
@@flngtrashkinda crazy how you come on here expecting people to have the same opinion as you based on a show with complicated themes and characters. They have a different take based on a character who can be viewed/interpreted in several different lights, so yes what they are saying isn’t “true” but it’s not like anything you say is “true” either
The gem know as Rose Quartz came into existence around 3000 BCE, I don't think we have a name for that generation. Probably has something to do with pre dating written language by about 1500 years.
The Diamonds are like pinks parents, Rose was her way of going out behind her parents back to play. She metaphorically and physically rebelled against them and in the end left only a kid in the world. She always left her issues for other people to work out and showed that she was basically a kid playing with dolls who never grew up.
Well yeah absolutely...but that's the problem. She ran away from everything before she even had a slight chance at accepting/embracing the things she'd done that's "bad". Therefore, never comes to terms with her wrong doings, therefore never getting a redemption arc. Meanwhile, everyone else is still here. Looking their past in its face, accepting it as wrong, and changing what they can now. Getting their redemption arc. The big difference is everyone else was "man enough" to stick around and deal with their past, whereas Pink will never have to.
@@nellyb1594 if she'd been "man enough" we wouldn't have a show. Y'all don't like that Pink was irresponsible and didn't stick around to face her past? Blame Becky Sucrose. She chose the story to go this route.
@@AlottaBoulchit no no no you're taking me out of context. I agree with you, and I think you've made a great point. I'm just replying to the OP here. Saying "they're all bad, Pink just doesn't get a redemption arc" I'm just saying that's the thing, she'll never have one.
Yeah i think people are missing the fact that literally no one has forgiven the other diamonds. We ignore them because the finale ruined them and there isn't anything to talk about. But people keep praising Pink to hell and back saying that she was such a good leader and an ideal role model. NO she wasn't. She was a manipulative child who decided one day that she didn't want to be responsible anymore. All she has done in the series is run; she ran from growing up, responsibility, her "sisters", her mistakes, her relationships, her commitments, her problems. Its not a good role model and it certainly isn't a good person. She abandoned everyone on earth in the ultimate attempt to run from her mistakes and let the rest of them clean up her mess. Yeah it was her fault the gems got corrupted because rather than face the other diamonds as a diamond with an army behind her she decided to fake her own death in an attempt to make the diamonds do what she did most: RUN. When it came to a full blown war she refused to confront it with the intent on winning because she wouldn't take down any other gem (im sorry but in war you don't win by knocking people out). When offered a way to win the war she punished someone for trying to help her and their friends live. When everything was all done and in shambles she left her friends to clean up the leftovers of her mess without ever telling them anything and leaving hte one person who knew it all to suffer in silence. She is a bad person, a good character, but a bad person.
@@eeveeongirl "But people keep praising Pink to hell and back saying that she was such a good leader and an ideal role model" I barely hear anyone saying this since a Single Pale Rose in fact in universe the show shows her as not perfect "She was a manipulative child who decided one day that she didn't want to be responsible anymore" That misunderstands a lot "Yeah it was her fault the gems got corrupted because rather than face the other diamonds as a diamond with an army behind her she decided to fake her own death in an attempt to make the diamonds do what she did most: RUN" Except if she'd have done that she'd have been no better than the other Diamonds. The whole point she had was freedom to choose how gems lived and if she as Pink Diamond had told the gems to go to war it wouldn't be a choice. "When it came to a full blown war she refused to confront it with the intent on winning because she wouldn't take down any other gem (im sorry but in war you don't win by knocking people out)." Given you can easily imprison anyone you knock out with a bubble I disagree "When offered a way to win the war she punished someone for trying to help her and their friends live." Actually Bismuth attacked her when Rose disagreed with shattering which is why she was bubbled "everything was all done and in shambles she left her friends to clean up the leftovers of her mess without ever telling them anything and leaving the one person who knew it all to suffer in silence. " By the time Steven was born it'd been eons since the war had ended she had no reason to believe the Diamonds would come back hell the only reason they do is Lapis anyway.
@@mikemorro140 funny you bring up lapis, any reason pink didnt free her? And plenty of people call pink a good leader and praise her or defend her like you are now. You cant deny she was selfish and thought of herself first and others second. Fact of the matter was every gem had to fight the war whether they wanted to or not. If they didnt join rose then they were fighting her because they thought she killed their leader. There isnt time to bubble everyone on a battlefield and when your enemy isnt taking that time you are going to die doing it. Yes you are right bismuth did attack her, but was that really deserving of being put into a coma essentially and telling everyone that she just disappeared rather than telling the truth and letting her friends decide how the situation should be handled? Yeah she didnt think the diamonds would return fine but she left everyone else to clean up the corrupted gems from the war she started, you know the mutilated forms of their comrades, and once again left her best friend (if pearl was even that with how often pink threw people who didnt interest her away) to suffer in FORCED silence about everything.
@@eeveeongirl "funny you bring up lapis, any reason pink didnt free her?" Probably because she didn't know about her in fact I think the gems thought it was just a regular mirror and Pearl was the one who had it. "And plenty of people call pink a good leader and praise her or defend her like you are now" I defend her because it feels like a lot of people like yourself either misunderstand or exaggerate some of the things she did and I'm not saying she was perfect but I also don't buy into everyone else now who seems to think she was this manipulative monster. "Fact of the matter was every gem had to fight the war whether they wanted to or not. If they didnt join rose then they were fighting her because they thought she killed their leader." Pink wasn't "shattered" until the end of the war so at that time the other side was really only fighting because they were told to "Yes you are right bismuth did attack her, but was that really deserving of being put into a coma essentially and telling everyone that she just disappeared rather than telling the truth and letting her friends decide how the situation should be handled?" No I definitely think it was wrong to not tell the other gems about it I just think it's weird people keep saying that Rose only did because Bismuth wanted to shatter gems "clean up the corrupted gems from the war she started, you know the mutilated forms of their comrades, and once again left her best friend (if pearl was even that with how often pink threw people who didnt interest her away) to suffer in FORCED silence about everything." Except Rose was helping them with that for thousands of years and they'd taken out a ton of them by the time she left. Like it'd be one thing if Rose just left like right after the war but again it was thousands of years later. As for Pearl as much as people say Rose was terrible to her if anything the show has always set it up as more of Pearl having a bit of an unhealthy obsession with her. Like from what we're shown in flashbacks Rose did seem to care about Pearl and the other gems quite a bit hell half the reason she fought the war was for them. Even keeping Pearl silent again really only became a problem when the war restarted thousand of years later like it feels as thought people think she could see the future.
Agreed, that's absolutely in keeping with Pink's persona. Yellow has the garb of a soldier and is quick, decisive, brash, violent, all those attributes. Blue is in very round garb of somber blue - she is all emotion, mostly sad, wills others to feel her pain, wallows in suffering, etc. White is brittle perfection with her spiky headpiece, unilateral view (white is the non-inclusion of other colors, after all), absent of feeling, shows psychopathy and yet complete propriety and moral superiority at the same time *shudder*. While pink is literally in clown's clothes. She's the poppet, the guignol. The Fool. She is the embodiment of childish fancy with all the passions, daring yet thoughtlessness of a child. With all the breathtaking goodness and horrifying badness that can bring. Totes makes sense.
This is probably the most mature and thought-provoking view of why Pink Diamond is bad. It’s opinions like these where they don’t choose sides of whether she *is* too good to be bad or she *is* too bad then being good, and that it brings up really good points with important evidence based on clips, quotes, etc., that really shines a light of hope for people of the fandom seeking answers and closure to these character traits. But much like the movie “there’s no happily ever after.“ We’ve yet to know more for what’s in store as the series still carries on. It can’t be promised, but hopefully things turn for better then for worse for the fandom.
I find it ironic that the lower-class gems turn out to be more mature than all the Diamonds... Seriously, Spinel realized her actions were messed up in a shorter time frame compared to other villains in the series!
@@DrawciaGleam02 you are so right the diamonds were not realize what they were doing was wrong. Sure spnail was wrong to do that but she did it because pink left her all on her own. One more point why didn't Garnet see all of the fight happened than she would have seen it all and won.
@@DrawciaGleam02 I saw it more that rage and hurt clouded her mind and throughout the movie she get to calm down a bit and managed to see what she is doing. At first she was in denial and did not believe that can stop but Steven reasured her that she can change any time she want and show her the support she needed.
midge314, maybe if that theory that originated from ”Change Your Mind” were true, but in that case how would mother & son be together in the same place?
"But, I'm not a real person." Lets remember that she's didn't really learn to care for another person, for a good while. Edit: More likes than I thought lol either way it’s open to interpret. That’s why she’s written to be dynamic.
And by the time she did have people that cared about her and that she was supposedly caring about (note: She's always been kind of regarded as a mature deity and mother for all imo) she still didn't actually do it.
Oh shut up she had 6000 years to learn and as pearl said she always had a different man in her life I'm sure she could learn to care about something she liked over 6000 years when it took Peridot a few months maybe weeks
Carolina reaper st Your comparing somebody being happy and stuff to someone that’s practically trapped. 6,000 is longer when you just stand there the whole time
Rose's personality is actually perfect for the show's morals. If there's one lesson to be learned in the show, it's that her name is lapis. Ok, if there's another lesson to be learned, it's that you don't have to be what others think you are. To explain, I made a list: Character | Other's view of them | who they actually are Steven | The son of Rose (less than her) | An all around better person than his mom Pearl | A mere servant to pink | A strong, and independent gem Amethyst | A weak defective soldier | A gem who makes the most of her abilities Garnet | A disgraceful display of fusion | Two gems so close, that their love lets them exist as one. The show teaches us that most of the time, no one is like any preconceived notions of them. This is also applicable to Pink diamond. Let's refer to the list: Pink | A flawless being (a diamond) to her subjects, a sweet innocent child to the other diamonds | A little girl put on a throne, with no concept of responsibility Rose | A brave war hero, who sees beauty in all life | A coward who abandons those she once called precious
So everyone seems like trash at face value but are good and precious in their own way. Rose/pink looks perfect and strong but is really weak and shitty.
Let's be honest here: Any of us who is a Steven universe fan and somebody said they think Garnet was a disgraceful representation of a fusion we'd pull a knife on them
I realized this once it became clear when she was willing to resort to war but not as her self. If she had put her foot down as pink diamond and said she will resort to war to protect earth, than she could protected to earth and prevented a war. And if even if the other diamonds were willing to go to war with pink over earth, pink would have been far better off as she would have been able to rally a much larger military force as pink diamond than rose and she could have saved more gems with larger military forces.
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I think people need to remember that the Pink Diamond that abandoned spinel, left bismuth in a bubble, etc, isn't the same person who eventually got to know greg and gave up her life for steven: We essentially saw her redemption arc in reverse: At the start of the series, she was held up as this perfect moral figure, after she already had all her growth and changed as a person, and as SU went on we saw more and more of her faults and bad things she did before that point.
That's why her character is so good. I mean, it doesn't make up for every shit she did but she definitely wasn't as bad as she was 6000 years ago. Of course, she was still NOWHERE NEAR as perfect as they predicted her even after she met Greg, if you consider the way she laughed at his face. Just like Peridot, Jasper and the Diamonds, she changed.
Still don't you think if Rose was such a good person and learned from her mistakes she would have released Bismuth, tried to help Lapis (talk to her or something), or at least sent a message to Spinel telling her to return to Homeworld.
@@xantallfarwood because she didn't want to deal with the consequences of her actions. Also, she was kind of a coward, considering she never told Garnet or Amethyst about her true identity even after the war was over and she had absolutely no reason to hide her identity anymore, besides fearing they would pull a Bismuth and attack her, even though it would be totally justified. She ran from responsibility, that's who she is.
Right?! If anything, Pink was realistic and made mistakes, but tried to improve. She tried her best to learn how to love, and the fact that she started a rebellion against the system despite her biggest influencers being the diamonds really gives me respect for her.
Remember though: If years later, Rose remembered she left Spinel in the garden, she wouldn't have been able to visit her anyway. The galaxy warps were destroyed. For all we know, she could've been devastated knowing she left her out there.
I think it's kind of interesting that we actually see growth from Pink Diamond in reverse; we started the show with the person she grew into; Rose Quartz was her stopping point, the end result of Pink Diamond learning and growing as a person. But as we go farther into Pink Diamond's past, we get to see more of her younger self making very childish mistakes over and over and over. I think there's something to be said about successfully deconstructing the image children have of their parents as flawless beings, but I also think the fandom is kinda' throwing the baby out with the bathwater by claiming that Rose is *all* bad. She did change, and for the better, as she was willing to give up her form to bring Steven into the world. I think that's proof enough that Rose Quart grew significantly past her Pink Diamond origins.
whiskeyii EXACTLY!! This is the premise of the freaking show! Nobody’s perfect. You must change to grow. That’s why we are able to forgive WVERY SONGE OTHER GEM that did something fucked up... and a lot of them did WAY worse than pink. But we are able to forgive them because they change and grow. The people that don’t understand this obviously haven’t been paying attention.
I think that your ignoring that a lot of the pain she gave to the pple around her can be fixed and she had plenty of time to devolep if she didnt suicide to run from the mess she created like starting to respect humans instead of viewing them as a fetish (at least try to fuse with Greg even if it fails or at least don't make fun of him) giving pearl attention instead of abandoning her and the rest of the gems telling everyone the truth (she pd) before dieing instead of having pearl live with it she was terrable she cared only about herself the only reason why she protected the earth bc earth is her new playground if she found a new planet that's more fasenating than earth that was also away from the diamonds she would abandong earth just like that anyway that's why she's my favorite charecter💕💞 without her the show wouldn't be as interesting as it is pple need to understand that not every charecter has to be good and that if every charecter was this good moraly selfless baby uwu than the show would be boring and bland
Tho I don't believe she's just a terrable person I think she had good in her more than pple give her credit for like with Greg when he asked to fuse with her she laughed at him but after he said talk to me as a real person and that's what she did they talked so I don't think she 100% but she's not inocsent and oblivious to her mistakes as pple are trying to make her out to seem but yeah she's still my fav :)
Except even her final act, giving up her life to create Steven, was a completely selfish act. It's actually what has always made me despise her. The entire reason Pearl rebelled and pretended to shatter Pink was because Rose told her she wanted to live on Earth with her. That is what finally got a very apprehensive Pearl to go along with "shattering" her. It was pure manipulation. It is obvious throughout the show that Pearl has very little regard for the Earth or humans, only fighting for them because Pink/Rose believed in them. Pearl actually seems to rather enjoy the gem world, and rebelling against it was actually sort of not rebelling, since she only rebelled to please her diamond, which was her sole purpose. Rose reneged on the one thing that made Pearl "shatter" Pink, abandoning Pearl on a planet she didn't much care for, unable to return to Homeworld, and having to fight the gem monsters and take care of Steven. Rose's final act was the most devastating thing she could have done to Pearl, who truly loved Pink/Rose in a way that Pink/Rose could never love anyone or anything.
@@reedfamily841 It's obvious on closer inspection that Pink never developed romantic feelings for Pearl, she probably eventually developed a relationship similar to the one we can assume she had with Pink Pearl (someone who was taken away from her). The way I see it, Greg was a turning point for Rose. She realized how much she has acted only to serve herself, and decided to give something to Greg that would sacrifice her existence. Throughout the tapes of Rose, we see that all she wanted for Steven was for him to be able to love being himself; growing and changing, something she failed to do in her life. I agree that it is tragic that Pearl never got to have the "happily ever after" with Pink that she imagined but throughout the series we see her attachment to the Earth grow from something purely based on a lingering connection to Rose into an appreciation for the family she has made there and the new life she is leading. The point is, Pink Diamond is meant to be a flawed character. She is meant to represent a person who has difficulty understanding how emotions work (which btw is an ignorant topic on Homeworld). So with the creation of Steven, her character can be contrasted with a being who can better learn and grow. Someone who truly deserves to have her power.
She will never truly be redeemed being that she's kinda dead. Steven took her place when he came to be and there is no turning back. People can make justifications for her and Steven can solve all her problems, but it'll never be a true redemption being that it was Steven that handled her past issues and not her herself. She never came back to explain herself or apologize and she can't do that because Steven is her now. She's not an evil person, but she's definitely flawed in the way that she just ran from her issues and left people like Pearl, Spinel, Bismuth, and Pink Pearl behind with a bunch of baggage to deal with. Like did she ever even wonder about Spinel left alone in that garden or Bismuth bubbled up and locked away somewhere with no one to find her? Pearl and Garnet had just thought Bismuth got destroyed in the war or something. That's pretty messed up.
Steven Universe, once you remove all of the magical elements from it, at its core is about the impact of a parent's suicide on the child she left behind and his efforts to pick up the pieces. Steven still loves his mom, but he is finally mature enough to understand that she wasn't a very good person and he understands that that's not his fault. The movie really made a point of his being burnt out trying to clean up after her, but drove home his desire to be a better person than she was. Overall I think the show/movie did a pretty good job with such heavy subject matter.
One thing I always wondered about was if Steven ever really loved rose/pink I mean we know he admired her once and knew he wanted to be like her but was there really a love there he once said in earlier episode that he just didn’t know how to feel about her because honestly he didn’t know her then his illusion or perception of her was shattered when he realized she wasn’t this holier than thou figure.
Pink never meant to thrust her problems onto Steven. When the war was over she thought it was over. No more diamonds. Eventually she forgot about her problems. She thought that when she gave birth to Steven, he'd never have to deal with her problems. And yes she knew she'd lose her form. But she was giving it to a new life! Giving her life away to someone who can change! Reminder that we're being shown her character arc BACKWARDS. She never meant to thrust her problems onto Steven. She thought all her problems were over. She thought that her problems were never gonna rise from the grave. She thought that the diamonds were never gonna come back. She thought Steven would have a good problem free life and not the one he has now.
@@Starrrycandy if she thought all her problems were over, and keep in mind that some of those problems she directly caused, and just assumed she could kill herself and Steven wouldn't have to deal with any of it, yeah, it is her fault, even if she didn't mean it. Steven has every single right to not love her or forgive her, because even if her development was done backwards, he gets constantly exposed to all her negative sides, and that has been going on since Season 3. That's not his fault, it's not something he can avoid, and he doesn't owe her his love or forgiveness, even though I'm sure someday he might be able to. It's his to give, not hers to receive. It's called setting a boundary. Steven is just really bad at doing that because he thinks his problems and feelings don't matter and that he has no right to set up a boundary as long as he's helping other people, not matter what said people did to him. It's a destructive behavior that was developed because of several reasons, but the biggest of them is because Steven has a hard time trying to figure out if he even actually exists. He spent so long being told by literally everyone about how great his mother was, about how amazing and loving and how he should strive to be like her, like the Gems wanted, and then got told and SHOWN that she wasn't that great of a person after all. Actually, she was pretty horrible once upon a time, and even for a long time after that, and then he was constantly thrust into one apocalyptic situation after another because of some bullshit she or her family caused, and then his idea and general relationship with her became obviously extremely more complicated. And then after he realized he wasn't his mom and accepted that every bad thing she did wasn't his fault nor his responsibility, he was already so deep into this destructive cycle that he couldn't seem to escape, because all he knew how to do was avoid death and help other people, whether he liked it or not. And then Spinel came, and then the Rose Quartzes, and then Pink Pearl, and that all made him realize that no matter how much he tried to trick himself into thinking that everything was fine now and that his hurt and trauma didn't matter, it would ALWAYS come back to haunt him, no matter what. And that left scars on him, scars that ran through his brain as they do through his bones, and they almost consumed him. But after realizing in Change Your Mind that he was not his mom, that he didn't have to be his mom, that he EXISTED, he thought that that was it. But it wasn't. He still had to accept all this trauma and all this hurt and rage that he had repressed for everyone's sake, always plastering a fake smile no matter how much they hurt him, he had to accept that that was WRONG, and that he was RIGHT to feel that way, and that his friends and family wouldn't abandon him even with all of this anger and hurt and rage that he held inside him for so long, that he thought he didn't have a right to feel, that he thought made him a MONSTER, that they would all be there for him like he was there for them, not matter how much they hurt him, even unintentionally. And he finally accepted that, in I'm My Monster. That's why after that he could finally start his path to heal. So yeah, in conclusion, she didn't MEAN to put all of this on him, you're right about that. It just doesn't change much.
@@infamousplayer8772 With all due respect, the negative things Steven was exposed to were in consequence of the deliberate acts of the Diamonds other than Pink: Corruption and The Cluster. Curing Corruption was evidently impossible to accomplish by Pink/Rose alone; and when Steven was born there was no inkling about The Cluster, much less that it would hatch in little more than a decade later and either destroy the Earth or invite the return of the Gem Empire's forces if something had gone wrong with it. Steven had no more reason to hate his mother for sacrificing herself to create him, than a child whose mother suffering from a terminal disease nevertheless chose to give birth.
I think by the time Pink is "shattered" and we see Rose living on Earth, there is a genuine attempt at change. I think though that Greg was the first person to truly make Rose think about whether she was a good person or not. And ultimately, Rose's willingness to give up her form I think was a sincere attempt at trying to rectify things. Humans can change, and at least a that point, gems couldn't (or at least that was the impression). Rose put her faith in the fact that Steven would be better than her. You can still say that's selfish, but I do think there's at least some shred of decency to that logic.
So you mean put a 12/13 in a life death situation because you want to reedem yourself Bruh shes not even the one who saves the earth it was all steven Steven put his life in danger a couple of times just to save his friends but she didn't even try to stand up to the diamonds in her original form
Rose stole some of Vidalia's eggs and Steven is really Greg and Vidalia's son. How could a Gem form a working human reproductive system? It makes no sense. Steven is a test tube baby.
@@protoman9198 Amethyst eats things that are indigestible, so I don't buy she has a real human stomach and intestines, then poops out metal/plastic/whatever.
@@scockery She's a diamond who can almost infinitely give (watermelon stevens) restore(the healing powers) and preserve(Lion and lars) life, I think she's more than capable of going through pregnancy with a human child with shapeshifting her insides.
ever since the extended song came out and when steven starts singing "I will fight to be everything that everybody want's me to be when im grown!" and when Rose/Pink was behind him, she just looked Pure Evil
Hey, I'm a surviver and I just wanted to say thank you for this video. Being abused does not justify hurting others. It never does. I could relate to Spinel so much and the show dealt with the whole abuse and genocide and redeeming so so badly, it was a terrible example. There are things that are not redeemable and there is a point where you can't make everything OK again. You can grow and change and do better but that does not make you entitled to anyone forgiving you or wanting you around.
I don't think redeeming the character is necessary. No one is all good or all bad. Just because you are showing us Pink's bad side does not mean she doesn't also have a good side. Like everyone on Earth, she's a mixture of good and bad. Accountability though is a different matter. If Pink could be held accountable she should be held accountable, not to redeem her but to make her repair the damage she caused.
bejjinks I feel the need to point out that the only really unambiguously selfless thing Pink is known to have done (having Steven included, mind you, which was more her taking her fascination with the human condition to self-destructive levels) is leading the Rebellion, and even that has a selfish motivator: The way the Authority worked, no one gem could go rogue, so in order for her to be absolutely liberated from oversight, so did every other gem on the planet. All the good things she does don't stop being good, but let's acknowledge that she only did the good things because they benefitted her personal goals.
@@TheDakkaman My point is that that's just like everyone else. Can you name anyone who has ever done anything unambiguously selfless? Can you name anyone who didn't have a selfish motive? Pink is no saint but I don't believe that there has ever been a saint.
@Brittany Bennett I did not say this as if it's supposed to make every bad thing anyone's ever done excusable. I am not excusing Pink Diamond. I'm just wondering why people are going to such extremes with their rage. Pink Diamond did wrong. Pink Diamond should be held accountable. Pink Diamond is not the devil.
Y'all are acting crazy. The OP never said that that excused everything, he just stated is true, y'all are looking too negatively. While there are positives to the character and what they did. Humanity is the same way. Our self is our motivator, experiencing things to our self makes us see things in a different light than usually seeing things done to others. The wording that Benjamin uses describing how "selfish," renegading from the Homeworld isn't conclusive as she didn't only renegade because of her abuse but because she wanted to save the lives of humanity, those she held fascination towards because of the Human Zoo Blue gave to her. She saw that the colony she was given was only meant to bring harm to the Earth, which she saw would affect their life as a whole, and end it. This is the difference of Rose and the Diamonds, she understands there's more meaning to humans than just lower-beings. This was the final straw on why which Pink/Rose declared war. What's the point of giving negatives when they've been already stated in the video? I can give you many, I can also give you many positives.
Mallery Totally agree with you. I’m just hoping the Pink Diamond hate train stops because she isn’t as bad as everyone makes her out to be, like it’s pretty much blown out of proportion at this point. :/ Like she ain’t the worst lol.
I don’t think she’s completely evil or a saint. I think Pink is in the gray area. ( I think she’s on the darker side of gray also don’t fight in the comments please. We all watch the show Steven Universe and it’s okay to have different opinions on certain characters) Edit 2: Okay never mind I watched the full Steven Universe movie so I take back what I said about her being gray. Abandoning spinel and with all her other mistakes she crossed the line
Not everyone believes spinel was in the “right” and too be honest spinel taking out her anger on people is what lapis did to peridot when she tried to be friendly
Spinel wanted to destroy all Earth's life. In head canon, I have to convince myself that, like the Diamonds other than Pink, she didn't really recognize Earth's life as "real" and that at the very least she was murdering billions of sapient beings. If she actually did, then she should have been shattered with extreme prejudice and blown into the Sun.
I feel like villain isn't the right word; More like a destructive force without any directed malice. She was self-centered and that led to the majority of the problems throughout the series, but villain is more someone who actively strives to destroy others for the advancement of their own goals. There was no active evil intent with her, she was just an inconsiderate and negligent person. She was awful and the characters have really started to grasp that and are working out those complex emotions.
Invader Jet bro, there’s a lot of complexity in her character. Sorry not all of us want to go with the knee jerk reaction and be like, “She needs to be punished!!!”
I think my fav part we forget and forgive is the diamonds making a living gem bomb and the forced fusion experiments. Like real war crimes they can't undo unlike the light.
We don't truly have a body count on the dimonds. All we know is that they conquered planets. They did have lots of gems shatter but they can be brought back.
So you’re gonna forget how she faked her death and staged it as Rose shattering her, which led to Steven to be blamed, lied to Garnet and Amethyst about her true identity, abandoned Greg and Pearl, used Greg for her selfish desires, isolated Bismuth away from everyone, etc? Yeah the only bad thing was her abandoning Spinel. Pink Diamond is a war criminal.
In my opinion pink diamond/rose is not bad or good. She made a lot of mistakes, but she learned from them in her own way. The show is showing her deeds backwards by showing her redemption first aka being with greg and learning to love him and wanting Steven, saving the humans, cherishing fusion etc. And as the show goes on, they show her bad mistakes. Yeah it sucks how she left everyone behind with her problems, but I think she just was a dreamer hoping for a better place. And by doing so only concentrating on herself, aka she was selfish. But as time went by and her finally starting to see things as they are and Greg telling her about what’s not right (he was the only person to teach her what she’s doing wrong) She learned what not to do. In my own experience I have made same kinds of mistakes like her. I left a person when I was younger because she was too clingy and wanted to hang out with me all the time. As i look back on it, I realize how horrible I was towards her. She loved to hang out with me and she did all these kind things to me, but I, being the selfish person I was and wanting to hang out with the cool people, left her behind. I also told her to act more like a grownup (even tho I was being more childish). I Ignored her calls and in the end, ended up breaking her heart. People always hurt the people who love them the most. But like Spinel, this girl that I hurt, changed because of me. She wanted to hang out with the cool people too. I already had changed my way of thinking and wanted to say sorry for the way I treated her, but it was already too late. She had changed completely, heavy makeup, clothes, how she talked and what music she listened to. All to satisfy some strangers needs. I ignored this and wanted still to return her into my life, but she didn’t accept me anymore. She wanted me to change too. She wanted me to put more makeup, slutty clothes, change the way I talk and all. It hurt me this time. After that I felt like shit for a long time. I almost started dressing that way too because I wanted to feel beautiful again.I guess karma is a bitch. Pink Diamond did not have anyone to learn from what is right and what is wrong before Greg. She had to learn things with experience. By doing horrible things she observed what happens after doing so and then maybe learned from that. Running away was one of her learnings.later she learned to fight. Home-world was advanced in Pink diamonds time only in technology, but emotions and understanding feelings was a very confusing subject for the gems. Abuse, slaves, hierarchy was a thing there. Yes, she could have said sorry for her things. But in her defense I have to say that she just didn’t know how. Greg even said that Rose felt like confessing about many things but it’s all in the past now. I think she didn’t go get Spinel because she viewed her mostly as a toy. She had so many things in her mind that she couldn’t satisfy everyone. Yes that’s horrible, I agree, but she loved the crystal gems, she loved the planet earth, she loved many things. No one is an angel nor a demon. Some people just learn the wrong way of doing things and don’t have common sense, but that doesn’t make them horrible people. “If every pork chop were perfect, we wouldn’t have hotdogs.”~ Greg Universe
Oof I can just imagine them fighting over that like : Lapis: hey guess what, Spinel: what? Lapis: I was trapped in a mirror for 5000 years Spinel: well I was standing still in the exact same spot after being abandoned for 6000 years Lapis: ;-;
I would really appreciate if the show did not rush the fact that the 3 Diamonds just went from Planet destroying dictators to Super nice Planet destroying dictators that adore steven. I wish they did the same to the Diamonds on what they did to Peridot.. :/
Well, it's already been 2 years in SU. Peridot turned around in a few months. So timeline-wise it isn't rushed. It just happened off screen and they aren't done growing characterwise since they still have their slip ups.
i think what's weird is everyone is STILL hard on Pink despite all her worst actions being things she did YEARS ago and she did other things to try and make up for it all, incluidng DYING, but NOONE holds what they did to the Diamonds despite the fact they ACTUALLY KILLED PEOPLE
@@sarafontanini7051 That's because we expected those actions from the diamonds but Rose Quartz/PD was treated as something like a saint for most of the series. Plus all the things she did she did it without thinking about the consequenzes and what it did to others. Pink faking her shattering is what drove the other diamonds over the edge, Rose disapearing to become steven left the Crystal gems into despair and without a leader not to mention all the enemys which she knew were after her, a being thousand of years old and trained fighter, are now after steven, a child. She did most of her decisions without thinking them through. The diamonds on the other hand had always problems and they're not completely forgiven for the things they did, and they never will be, nor are they're even closely done redeeming themselves. But, personaly, I like the other diamonds more because their motives were more relatable. They were placed on the top of an empire and had to be perfect, what steven told them was wrong, and after PD was gone, they all fell into despair. Blue fell into a deep depression, Yellow goes into rage and white completely lost it and went into denial about the loss of PD. Three of the stages of grief which some people can relate to who lost someone.
Your speech about how abuse may explain why someone acts in negative ways but doesn't excuse the fact that they are causing harm really hit home. I have been told too many times to count that when I got upset over other's actions and how they hurt me, "Well you have to remember how they grew up/experienced/suffered." Like they had zero control over the way they act. So hearing this (especially since I'm in the middle of a platonic break up with what I'm realizing might have been an incredibly toxic relationship) was actually really helpful and unexpected from this video. Thank You, it is very much appreciated.
Imagine if she was found in the gardens by one of the diamonds, she would annihilate the crystal gems. Steven only won because spinel realized what she was doing was wrong, she was blaming the wrong person. But she would go insane on rose, pearl, and garnet (And litterally every other crystal gem like bismuth). This is cause she doesnt know rose is pink, nd thus would want to destroy her no matter what the cost. Oh and nobody would be able to poof spinel with her own rejuvinator and not be able to be poofed by it like steven, as a matter of fact would she even have one, likely not.
The comment right underneath yours talks about how Love Like You is basically Pink trying to learn how to love and this comment goes really nicely with it because what if the gem is like a camera and Pink is trying to learn to love through Steven but doesn't want to be found out
The movie and SU: Future really opened my eyes to just how bad Pink Diamond was. rewatching the original series and seeing flashbacks and how the gems remembered her.. it was uncomfortable, seeing just how much she’s damaged others around her. Honestly, I loved how Rebecca Sugar made it somewhat subtle for some people. The movie was a giant bomb shell for some people, including myself.
Rewatch it again and remember the whole series and throughout the movie, she's being neglected and still waiting [during the series and first few minutes of the movie].
This show has really destroyed Pink/Rose as anyone that is remotely likable. However, when it came to her reasons why she chose to rebel against the Diamonds and incite a whole bloody war that killed thousands, the show did it piss poorly, but it still gave the indication that Pink/Rose didn't make the decision lightly. That she made this poor, not even thought out decision, because she did still mean well. With Spinel, you don't even have THAT. The story doesn't even TRY that this was a poorly thought out decision on Pink/Rose's part. It's not even explained WHY Pink/Rose did this, or WHY she couldn't bring Spinel with her and forced her to stay rooted in place for 6,000 years. (It was never said that the Diamonds refused to allow Pink to take Spinel with her, everything indicates that Pink just grew bored of her playmate and wanted to abandon her like a used, discarded toy.) And she never told a soul about Spinel. Even Pearl was not fully aware what Pink/Rose had done to her friend/playmate. Nor why Spinel understandably had her mind broken and damaged after being abandoned for 6,000 whole years. It's actually bewildering how much this show has utterly destroyed Pink/Rose as a character and that she is someone this contemptible and arguably is the true villain that helped start everything wrong in this series. A petty, superficial, shallow and self absorbed, petty brat who allowed people to literally die for her and because of her, almost had genocide committed on an entire planet-at least three times. And caused a good friend to go insane from being abandoned. Yeah, the entire thing with Spinel was ROSE'S fault. Entirely. When it never needed to happen. . .
@@feraflauna3238 mostly because we see her development backwards. The show starts with her after she was already dead and was remembered as a loving, selfless, if not a little impulsive friend/wife/mother. THEN we learn more about her past and how her impulsive decisions affected her loved ones (and thousands more) mostly negatively. AND THEN we got the full scope of her upbringing and how she acted before she met Greg and became more respectful to those she "loved." She was rash, impulsive, and immature, which I don't entirely blame her for. But what I DO blame her for was her inability to take responsibility for her actions and telling the truth to the people she (once again) "loved." The way I see Pink is that she did change for the better near the end of her life by being able to "love like you (Greg)" and have Steven. Although she left a lot of loose ends and left her family without the closure they so desperately needed. Also the whole cluster thing, also she never went back for the homie Bismuth, nor did she intend on going back for Spinel. Which were all pretty bad things to leave unfinished for your unsuspecting son and family to take care of after you died. So yeah, Pink kinda sucked. But she sucked less at the end of her life. Peace and love SU fans, this has been TG over and out.
@@tapdancinggiraffe9047 But has anyone thought about maybe there being a reason why Pink couldn't go back? Specifically being that almost everyone on Homeworld AND Earth thinking PD was shattered? INCLUDING GARNET. Sure, let's go back to the garden and get Spinel, and proceed to have her accidentally tell everyone who PD is. Not to mention if that got out to Homeworld. Spinel wasn't built for war - not like Amythests or Rubies or the sort. PD knew that, and you can see it on her face when PD leaves her. Spinel is *holding PD back* from her dream of having a colony. In fact, it wouldn't be a huge leap to say that the other diamonds specifically knew that would happen. They didn't think PD could have her own colony. They continuously prevented PD from doing anything she actually wanted - even to the point of locking her away. Let's tackle one last thing that bothers me about the "Pink is shit" faction (just while I'm at it) and that's the 'Pink didn't have to shatter herself and fight Homeworld or her family' bit. Yes, she did. This is explicitly stated during the flashback on the moon. Blue Diamond: "You must understand. You are a diamond. Everyone on this planet is looking to you. You don't even have to do anything, just smile and wave.... As long as you are there to rule, this colony will be completed." Not only do we see Blue pulling a White (i.e. not letting Pink talk or defend her thoughts), but we see that it really doesn't matter what Pink does, as long as she exists. Earth will be destroyed as long as there is a Pink diamond to rule over it, whether she does it by her own hand, or if the other diamonds do it for her. Not only just in her own mind, but in reality - as long as she's there, everything she wants to protect will die. The only person who was able to come with her is her Pearl - the only gem she can trust not to tell anyone - because PD can order her to do that. The literal fate of the world and all the humans living on it is at stake. They don't get a second chance. Their only options to save Earth are through Rose, or to actually shatter PD. No one could know.
@@Tomoeine you do realize that anytime between setting up her colony and her shattering, Pink could have gone and gotten Spinel and hid her away. There is no excuse to have done that to Spinel. Yes, Spinel was holding her back, but guess what? Pink should have and could have said "I cant bring you along, you need to stay on Homeworld" And then explained the situation, but no Pink ABANDONED Spinel flat out and refused to do anything about it. Spinel devoted her LIFE to Pink and Pink didnt even devote a word to Spinel. If Pink honestly cared about Spinel and hadnt meant to leave her abandoned, Pearl would have known instantly that Spinel was there, what happened to Spinel, etc. Garnet would have known, Amethyst would have known, Greg would have known, Steven would have know but NO The only person who knew of Spinel knew of her because she (Pearl) had seen Spinel and Pink playing in the garden and that's it. Pink is a shithole of a person, shes a horrible person, and to defend her is to defend abusive behavior.
Yeah. But that doesn’t prove she isn’t a bad person. The diamonds didn’t know better. And when they did they changed their ways. Pink knew perfectly well. And she just ran from her problems. The least she could’ve done was fix some of her mistakes before having a child.
Hear me out. Pink never cared about gems until Garnet and Pearl showed her something she hadn't seen before. Individuality. Raised as a Diamond 'lesser' gems were seen as tools not their own person. "Every gem has a purpose" and those who fall out of that role are "Off color". Non usable tools for gem kind. Spinel was made to be nothing more than a distraction presumably after Pink getting locked up by her sisters over and over again. The garden was a place to get Pink out of the way. Even though Spinel was made to be a 'friend' Pink began to realize (as per her slow reactions of sadness and discomfort in the garden) that the garden itself was another form of confinement. That the gem given to her was programmed as a tool to keep her happy. Her leaving Spinel behind was her leaving behind the fact that she was in an abusive relation ship with the other Diamonds. It would be like a child given a teddy bear or toy by an abuser to keep them quite and them leaving it behind when they finally escape that life. (I.E) Pink going to earth and leaving home world and her garden behind. Now when pearl started dreaming up things Pink diamond didn't ask of her (earlier annoying pink in the moon base that pearl was so subservient) and after seeing a fusion of two other gems that's main function were to be something else Pink as Rose "wanted to fight for her". Garnet. A gem that was no longer a tool in her eyes. Unfortunately in all of this Spinel was a living being. All gems from the show are living feeling beings. However, even at the end of the movie the other Diamonds call Spinel "One of Pinks lost treasures." So even they admit that she was a tool for use or a treasured item. Something rare to be used. Rose was horrible for not going back after the realization that gems could have individuality, but from her perspective as Pink its understandable. She was abused and left everything behind from those days.
What? The Garden wasn't just some place for pink to get dropped off when the other diamonds didn't want to deal with her! She went there to play with Spinel, it was a place for her to get away from her loneliness, granted Spinel WAS just a distraction, because Pink's ultimate desire was to have her own colony, maybe as a more permanent way to deal with her loneliness, but at that time, she was still of the mindset of a child, so it's natural for a child to just let go of something that doesn't interest them anymore. It's entirely possible that Pink understood and cared about Spinel, it's just that if Spinel followed Pink to Earth, she would only be an even bigger distraction than she already was, how could anything that transpired happen if Spinel is bouncing around, getting in the way and ultimately giving away that Rose Quartz was Pink Diamond all along, but even with that, Pink Diamond forced herself to grow up by accepting responsibility for a gem colony, that means Spinel has to stay behind, , it's something that most kids from back then forced themselves to do, put their toys away, get rid of their distractions so they can be something bigger. That isn't to say that it was a smart thing to do, considering the context of the movie, but it's something that has happened in the real world. Also the thing about the Diamonds is that they view things differently than other gems, even years after White Diamond was "defeated" and helped Steven and the other Diamonds save the corrupted gems, but I think that's just the part of them that get past themselves and the trauma of losing Pink Diamond, and besides...they're getting better at it, kind of.
Except she did the exact same thing to Bismuth AFTER realizing Gems had individuality. Bismuth got a little too gung-ho about their protection of Earth, and rather than being honest, PD/Rose bubbled Bismuth and hid her in an unreachable realm for all eternity. So this kind of proves your view wrong. Pink Diamond didn't genuinely care that Gems had individual personalities, she just found it interesting and amusing, and if it got too annoying to deal with, she got rid of them.
pink diamond was bad. not "is bad". her actions as rose quartz and led to the era of freedom which was the major choice of creating the existence of steven. sometimes people think about someone being bad at the past . forgetting about the more good things they did in the present.
Gabriel Magicer it’s only hate with her, because they don’t even speak of the other actual evil characters and don’t balance her out with the many good things she has done and learned
@@t-m0ney_mak3r42 it really does feel like they're using her for that to avoid talking about how easily the diamonds were redeemed , all the wrongs others suffered under them and the way raised pink in that environment. Much as I agree that pink was a bad person, she also was a child raised in an exceptionally restrictive and abusive family that viewed everyone below them as disposable . I truly believe we saw glimpses of the kind person she was beneath that, but when she screwed up she screwed up beyond belief. I feel like she was only kinda just starting to come into more positive views of how to treat other people around the time she gave up her form, but she's the perfect hate sink character since she's dead.
@@t-m0ney_mak3r42 What good has she done realistically? The only good thing she has ever done is make other gems realize that they are so much more than what the diamonds made them to be. No one is saying she's evil, she's immature and makes bad choices, and calling her out for her actions isn't ignoring everyone else. The difference between her and the diamonds is that the diamonds are actually dealing with the things they've done and trying to change. And before we get into that, "She saved the earth", thing, she didn't. She made the situation worse actually, so much worse that the diamonds created a geo weapon in the center of the earth. And before that, got thousands of gems corrupted because she faked her death. Are the other diamonds saints compared to her? Absolutely not, do I forgive them for killing gems and destroying planets? Absolutely not, but acknowledging the fact that they are ACTUALLY dealing with their problems is important. And Pink wasn't even starting to be a truly good person, she was just falling deeply in love with the earth because its the embodiment of everything she wants so be, free.
Salami R0se 《Myosotis》 All I can say is that I disagree with you, and I’ll leave it at that. I read so many comments today regarding this topic and I think I need a break.
Remember that we saw Pink's growth in reverse so it's much easier to claim she's a bad person (although the rest of the diamonds are way worse but idk why no one acknowledges that)
The Diamonds fixed everything with a Steven's Help but they all had their ways of changing Look at fucking Pink she changed her looks just to do all that shit she freaking gave her son Depression
@@ladyaceina The very last thing we see of her in her timeline is the very first impression we get of her. Its really a question of whether you think she was being sincere in that videotape because it happened well after any of the flashbacks as evidenced by Greg's hair loss. Now you can say it wasn't enough, but to me the impression is she was trying to be better at that point. Meanwhile the other diamonds have been destroying worlds for millennia, shattered gems and then stuck their pieces together to make abominations. Its good that they're trying to do better now, but just like Pink that doesn't erase what they did. Hell if it were Blue instead of Pink she probably would have shattered Spinel once she no longer had a use for her. Pink hurt a lot of people and we got to see those hurt closely, but the others hurt even more people we didn't get to meet or even see mentioned. So yes the other diamonds at their worst were far worse than Pink who couldn't even complete one colony after seeing what it was doing.
Well.. This is just personal thought, Pink Diamond is like a little kid in a body of an adult. I mean, all she wanted was a planet of her own, to prove her worth and the bigger "adult" diamonds still treat her like a baby. So when she was given her own planet, she gave up her childish acts to take lead and eventually become Rose because again the adult diamonds were still reluctant with her.
I dont think Pink Diamond is worthy of redemption. Steven holds her responsibilities that she left behind, but he also holds her power. Someone that careless and immature with the power of a Diamond brought an empire to it's knees and threw it into a dark age. Steven has only done good, Pink Diamond got her shot and failed in every court.
Well you have to admit. The writers did one heck of a good job to have Pink Diamond be the center of this kind of discussion. Goes to show how complex, yet flawed of a character she really is.
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It’s iconic to think Greg was the only one to ever actually call Rose out on her bs to her face.
Greg is best character.
Bs?
@@jasmintea8825 Bullshitman: BULL SHIT
When was the kind that Greg called out rose on her B's, I can't remember?
He didn't know she was a diamond let alone what diamonds are capable of.... So I figure he talked to her like a human does, wether its shit your giving or encouragement, talking helps improve more then we imagine
Pink diamond is the type of dad to go "grab a milk carton”
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_"Wait here Spinel, I'll just go grab a carton of milk"_
6,000 years later
Natalia Borys "Aight Spinel, I have to go get some milk and some ciggys. Brb"
Spinel: *gives unconditional fun and love to pink diamond*
Pink diamond: Ight, imma head out.
Spinel: *Come again n*gga?*
Fax
scuttles over
Pink: displays obvious signs of depression due to a shitty home life yet still tries to smile to make Spinel happy
Spinel: haha let's play, if u smile tht means there's nothing wrong and ur happy :) u know that job you've always wanted that u will take so god damn seriously? i wanna play, i'm gonna play there and- oh, ur leaving? u have other friends?? ur literally dead after improving as a person and getting a better family who treat u properly and actually notice ur poor emotional state and do their best to help??? alright, guess it's time for mass genocide haha :) my favorite game, yep, mass murder is a game lol
angrily scuttles away
@@probablydeadinside7877 literally missed the point.
Spinel fans talking to pink diamond: *S A Y S I K E R I G H T N O W*
I think her flaw as a diamond was being childlike, she was young at heart, to the point she lacked the maturity to realize what she was doing to everyone around her and it took Greg to finally show the slightest bit of repercussions for her actions; like the egocentric stage of childhood. Hence, why she decided to give up her form to become a better version of herself by making Steven with the traits of herself and Greg. I don’t think she is a villain per say but, due to what her “flaw” as a diamond made her oblivious too has caused her to be a past tense antagonist for Steven’s life.
Exactly. I feel like she wasn’t a consciously bad person, just an ignorant, egocentric diamond because she was *so* childlike.
I think she knew the most she was a diamond, diamonds r evil and powerful after being fascinated by a baby maybe she felt like that was the best route how it got too the diamonds idk but they were there for as family and steven became a man , but her being with connie im actually wondering that
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog eh she ddi want peace
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog she wanted peace though . Steven just did not know what do do with himself when there was peace
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog Pretty sure steevn himself can't resurrect shattered gems
"rose had a human fetish"
that is scary accurate.
It had to be said
Greg -had- has a gem fetish
@@bideabiere6125
I dont blame em tho
He had no way of knowing and she was THICCCCC
yoni verachtert except he’s never tried to smash any of the others
@@bideabiere6125 he doesn't, he even explains that he has a thing for big women
But this also makes me wonder what REAL rose quartz’s are like...
thats the next thing im curious about. itll be so cool to see.
imo it would make sense if they also had some type of healing abilities / had healing duties
@@MrAlexanderrangel
I'm pretty sure that was only because Rose was Pink
I don't think they even exists, pretty sure they're all fake gems
peyotext oh dude maybe if they meet one she could actually do a real mother’s duty of helping Steven heal from all this trauma
Being abused explains it, yet it doesn't excuse it.
Facts.
Pink daimond couldn't help spinel. It was impossible. She had keep the lie that pink daimond was shattered, otherwise the daimonds wouldnt have cared about a silly rebellion. And going to fetch' or even being seen with spinel would've revealed that she was pink. Spinel isnt exactly a subtle gem. Going back to fetch her later, would've revealed she was pink.
Basically it would have been worse overall for her to save spinel for everyone.
@@SimplyAWitch9 She could've told spinel to rotate her gem, switch around her colors, anything to not get caught. Pink could've even told the diamonds Spinel went haywire, and ran off to join the rebellion.
Bottle Cap rotate her gem 😂😂😂 her gem is LITERALLY A HEART. You cant just turn it upside down and expect them to think its not a spinel
Right.
Pink: I gtg, my moms r calling me.
Spinel: Ok, let's play tomorrow!
Pink: Sure :)
LAST SEEN ONLINE: 6000 YEARS AGO
THIS IS FUNNY
Also sad .
BROOOOO 😭
I’m now questioning why the gem war was led by basically a giant 12 year old
Hey i'm 12 and i'm not selfish like Pink!
@@MarMarcy
Your nick
...
Poland helo? XD
@@MarMarcy you may not but their are some other 12 year olds who are selfish. But of crouse not all of them.
I find it even better that a slightly-older-than-12-year-old solved her problems
Christopher Cordero
When you take into account Pearl’s and Rose’s respective speeches about growth in Three Gems And a Baby and in Greg The Babysitter, also remember that White, the supreme Diamond who taught everything to all her kind was called out for being childish, that does make sense.
I don't think you can truly redeem a dead character
True that bro
I don't think it is even possible
Part of me thinks she just got bored of earth and it is actually possible to have a kid as a gem and not die and decided to fake her death (AGAIN) because she is a giant baby
Yeah... It's not possible to redeem at all.
@TheOutsiders Th0t Steven Literally has her gem she’s gone.
Steven's relationship/interpretations of his mom are some of my favorite moments in the show, so when Steven said "I can't believe mom would do that to you...actually, I can *totally* believe it," I died laughing.
The way pinks pearl, volleyball described the incident with pink diamond was exactly what an abuse victim would say. “She didn’t mean to hurt me, I just happened to be standing in the way” “you know how she is”. Essentially making excuses for her.
Dude, EVERYTHING Pearl says about Rose are things traditionally said by abuse victims. "It's over, isn't it? Why can't I move on?", (after being asked by Volleyball how she stopped hurting) "I didn't", "Sorry for not believing you, it looks like I still make excuses for her" and the classic "Maybe she was childish, maybe even selfish, but she was a good person".
Pink Diamond can be explained in two words: "Bye, son!!"
"Imma get some milk brb"
tfs gokus
"bye son"
Gonna get those cigarettes
Huh, sounds like a certain spiky haired saiyan I know.
Goku’s family motto.
@@LoneStoneMaalik Goku at least died to save Gohan
Pink just yeeted Spinel away
And to think Stevens compassion came from his dads side of the family.
Yep Greg is great.
Greg is OP
steg
Greg
She basically did the same thing to Bismuth, except she was bubbled instead of just abandoned.
that's only slightly better
@@berto17 I don't disagree.
@@taylor-ray4893 Bismuth was trying to shatter homeworld gems and the diamonds. If you checked the Bismuth episode, Bismuth said "That's exactly what Rose said" rose explained, but bismuth didn't listen so she had no choice but to bubble her
It's different.
@@uberoll5166 I've watched the show and I have my own views on it. Bismuth wanted to shatter Gems they were at war with. War. Makes sense when you believe this is a war and that your leader shattered one of the Diamonds already and your friends are dying around you daily. And then Rose let the remaining Crystal Gems believe that Bismuth had been lost to the war instead of telling them the truth. Which screwed them and Bismuth up more.
Taylor-Ray you’re right. Rose lying to the others was bad, but poofing Bismuth was a hard decision she HAD to make at the time. Introducing the Breaking Point would’ve divided the Crystal Gems because not all of them would agree/disagree with her. They’d be fighting amongst themselves AND fight off Homeworld. Bismuth would’ve made things worse.
As it turns out, Steven inherited his kindness from Greg, not Rose.
Michael H so does Greg & everyone else realize and acknowledge this now? 😰
True
Wut
Rose gave the soul
*Greg gave the heart*
r/gregfuckedarock
"Can't believe she did that..."
Steven then recollects everything that happened from S1-5,
"Well on second thought..."
Perhaps...
*Pink Diamond is Kinda a Bad Person*
Rose: But I'm not a real person...
xD
Me when reading the title of the video
Xd
Yes, u are a DEMON
GO BACK TO STEVEN HE'S BETTERRR
Technically she is. She shows she has a personality, feelings, emotions, and even gives off bodily liquids like a living person. I mean after all ; a gem is basically made from the life within the world.
Well white daimond was right about one thing. Pink really did act like a child
PS: Thank you all for the likes
Didnt like white dimonond abuse and literally poses the other diamond and broke white pearl ,yellow poff two lawyer,literally destroyed planets which had living things on it,blue trying to like garnet because they accidentally fused when ruby SAVED saffiare, but yes pink is the bad one because she left spindal,but even then remember when she left she was going to EARTH,where she idk WAS FIGHTING TO SAVE EARTH!i mean its not like she could go back to spindal,the warps were broken not to mention the corupend gems that the DIAMONDS CAUSED!!and even if she could go back she is in the form of rose so i dont think spindal would leave,
Now im not excuseing her actions but remember,she just got done with a war and is now having to bubble all of her former friends because of white,yellow and blue,and the warps dont even work so its not like she could have when back and helped
Steven: i am a child, whats your excuse?
What i think he should say to his mom if she said that to steven: i am a child, whats your excuse mom?
@@giannagacha4706 to be fair the diamonds literally treated her like a child,but thats not all they also LITERALLY ABUSED HER! They lock her in a dark lonely tower for who knows how long given time work different for them,for the most petty of reasons,its like locking a child in a broom closet because they failed a math test,but thats not it
@@giannagacha4706 they also broke white pearl because pink and peral were having fun,white litterally said she would repress pink and all the diamond either abused or ignore her,and also keep in mind even tho she was seen as a child at best or at or a abomination she was still a diamond and as such told every one was beneather her so no wonder she didnt show alot of empathy on homeworld because when she did she was punished/abused
The thumbnail looks like Spinel is venting and pink is just like:
*_WHeEze_*
Spinel: Hey I have a lot of mental problems because of you
Pink: *wHeEzE*
She takes after Yellow Diamond lol
my friends in a nutshell
Spinel: me
Pink: my parents
spinel: me
pink: my brothers
Spinel: *Exist*
Pink Diamond: *Imma end this gems whole life*
Not end.. more like f*** up this gems whole life lmao
Kürt Comradus I’m gonna make them exist and then fuckin leave da bitch
Kürt Comradus what a boring comment.
Kürt Comradus Are you aquatinted with the apostrophe key?
@@mask_vids9834 who cares
She had few morals, childish and self-indulgent.
Agreed
fun fact bismuth got the same fate as spinel , we should of seen this coming
Hell, bismuth was a good idea compared to spinel. Bismuth disagreed with rose/pink. Therefor she had to be removed or risk becoming a radical. (It's still not ok, but at least she has a reason) Spinel spent her existence making Pink happy. Then one day, Pink gets a shiny new toy (colony) and tells her old toy to stay there and never move. She has no reason other than "i'm bored of you. you belong in the garbage now."
Yes your the first person to bring her up! She had locked bismuth away for god knows how long and told NO ONE, bismuth was atleast lucky she wasent consious for those thoudands of years, poor spinel was consious for 6 THOUSAND years.
@@epion660 I don't think Pink really valued Spinel, she was just a literal toy and she threw Spinel away
Bismuth was bubbled so it didn't seem like any time
@@spacecest.slimes9944 She abandoned Spinel just like people abandoned their dogs that's so sad.
Pink diamond is still a diamond, she was 'raised' in a diamond way, sometimes people forget she's still a diamond at heart BECAUSE of rose quartz
Any other person she had a relationship with: exist
Pink diamond: Ight imma head out...
Daaaaaamn! 😅 HAHAHA!
Hilarious
*Pearl disliked that*
*Steven disliked that*
*Spinel disliked that*
*The Diamonds disliked that*
*Everyone disliked that*
@@splendidpheasant9192 rose quarts like that
@@splendidpheasant9192
Lapis probably liked that.
Out of sight, out of mind.
She went to get the milk, and came back as a human-gem hybrid
Thank you for all the likes
BROOOOO
We would have died because it was 6000 yeas if we were waiting in spinels place XD
TheXxeminole66 *6000 years later*
Blocky Boi!!!! True very true
@Blocky Boi!!!! Cringe
This movie villian: Her *best friend*
Next movie villain: Her *pet*
NOT LION, NOOOOO
"ONE of Pink's treasures" there may be more...
OOF!!!
Rebecca Sugar: *..
WHO TOLD YOU THAT*
@@thenintenbro9193 Lion: (pulls out his Lion Glock) "I'm finna Mufasa all y'all."
“If I could be...half of what you think of me...I could do without anything...I could even learn to love like you...”
“I always thought I must be bad, but now I’m sure...cause...I think you’re so good and I’m nothing like you.”
I really think it’s mostly from Pink’s perspective. She wasn’t perfect, she made mistakes. She, like the other diamonds, didn’t understand others like we do. But she still loved things like Greg and her son. This is why Steven is the perfect protagonist for this story because he’s the representation of Pink learning what love is. In Steven, he feels more emotion than other characters which is why characters just flock to him. He understands them and makes them understand. Pink made horrible mistakes but, on a human level, we do too. It doesn’t excuse what she did but we also have to understand that Pink wasn’t human with human values. Which makes the things she’s done more believable. This was further exemplified in the episode where Greg tried to fuse with her and she laughed but then stopped when Greg was crying.
“Why are you crying?” She says this with a look of genuine curiosity but to us it was clear as day why Greg was upset. Those kinds of human values are what separates us from people like the Diamonds. She’s something that was trying to learn what makes these strange humans so interesting. And I can bet you that part of the reason why she found humans so fascinating was their differences in values. Values that seem to make no sense to gems but an impractical sense to us. She wanted to learn to “love like you” like Greg and other humans (because she found it so amazing). Pink may have been cruel but she was also extremely ignorant.
Wow, that is a really fair point that I do agree with. It's unfair to judge rose/pink based as if she was human. Also, she was held up to a very high standard, being a diamond. So it makes sense she would rebel against the other diamonds because they pretended to be perfect, so if pink made a mistake, she would want to hide it. And with that amount of pressure, it makes sense that she would run because she was never taught how to cope with those kinds of feelings.
Rebecca has said that the song is about her brother
This is my viewpoint actually. Although I do need to act that Pink’s psychology is as a human too. Even the gems and diamonds themselves. They are all imperfect and driven by an ambition to colonize and reproduce. Pink is that pivotal role of the realization of the evil within their empire. I do not know if we can call this human, but I really think that this is how we behave. With all the habitus or ingrained ideologies from our own nation/tribes, we are often pushed to fight for it or even cause fight for it. However, there are people who break free from it then realizes the mistake. That is what Pink represents.
I do think that the story and characters have bis o flaw, but to end on a note that Pink diamond is merely acting upon selfishness is a bad analysis towards their behavior. Ever since the beginning of the show, they acted like humans; ergo, it is presumably sufficient to say that they can be analyzed as humans.
Pink Diamond, the actual unintentional antagonist of Steven Universe
Scorchwad no sugar hinted at it
Family Guy Delvinacht wrong
Pretty sure it was intentional
I really hope it was intentional
Unless...
That one moment when you realize
Throughout the whole show of Steven universe, Spinel was just waiting at the garden
FBI: DONT FKING MOVE
@@ninjaplayzyt3900 no Pink Diamond told her to not move
@U Upsetting_toast yeah but really though its quite strange to think about. Im surprised there was never even a episode where they acidently warped there, they could have thought spinel was a statue too, Now that would be cool
Oh, wow... that is heavy...
@@ninjaplayzyt3900 Flashback ep maybe. It could work.
Someone:Has some kind of Feeling for pink diamond
Pink diamond:Ight imma head out
I like the pink diamond plot twist. The fact that the main villain of the series is a essentially a dead person a lot of people idolized intrigues me. The fact that they foreshadowed it so well too.
main villain is white diamond lol
Agreed. That was very clever writing
Both spinel and steven have "PINK" (ANDY) written in sharpy on the bottom of their boots.
jon filippone lol
jon filippone *Sharpie*
@@semicompetent6581 not if it's a knock off brand lol
jon filippone Good point
i dont want to waste perfectly good sharpies on that tho. id use a knockoff
Kind of? Pink is the poster child for Chaotic Neutral.
To quote my dm, "chaotic asshole, more like"
fuck this post im a chaotic neutral
Angelus Nielson true
She’s a bard
Tiny Wolf she hasn’t went on dates with dragons so that’s impossible
Spinel:Pink diamond left me in this garden for 6000 years
Steven and literally everybody else: *disappointed but not surprised*
*hahaha* 😂
*Screw pink diamond!*
That is the most craziest part
Its clownery luv 😳
Diamond Gacha rain _exaclty_
Basically Pink Diamond is a kid who treats everyone like a toy, once she finds a newer, more fascinating toy, she'll disregard the old one and give the new one her love and the cycle repeats .
You don't understand her character at all. She was selfish and immature but she genuinely cared about people.
@@laurenmungaray3912 I mean, there's more than one interpretation.
Wow🤗 this isn't true at all. Kinda crazy how we can come on this app and say literally anything.
@@flngtrashkinda crazy how you come on here expecting people to have the same opinion as you based on a show with complicated themes and characters. They have a different take based on a character who can be viewed/interpreted in several different lights, so yes what they are saying isn’t “true” but it’s not like anything you say is “true” either
@@flngtrashwho's "we"????
Can we just talked about how the whole time Tom's character looks like he's reading a script off to his left.
It does XD
Now I can't NOT see it lol
he knows staring is rude
"Pink diamond is kind of a bad person "
Me:"OKAY I BELIEVE YOU "
But she’s not a person
@~*pink diamond*~(emily the fricc) are you crazy after all she did you dont believe shes evil
@~*pink diamond*~(emily the fricc) OBJECTION!
@Bion
Yep. I'm fine with that though.
Reminds me of Chara from Undertale...
so rose is a baby boomer? "I'll do all this and the next generation will have to fix it" - the plot of Steven universe.
Ahab Mc one-leg well, she was low key a hippie
@@conniemaxwell1551 she high key was an asshole
@@cheesydoodler Hay you said it!
The gem know as Rose Quartz came into existence around 3000 BCE, I don't think we have a name for that generation. Probably has something to do with pre dating written language by about 1500 years.
@@Anonarchist Damn... still a scumbag though
The Diamonds are like pinks parents, Rose was her way of going out behind her parents back to play. She metaphorically and physically rebelled against them and in the end left only a kid in the world. She always left her issues for other people to work out and showed that she was basically a kid playing with dolls who never grew up.
"I can't believe mom did that to you
Actually, I can totally believe it"
i lought so hard when he sad that everybody cried (song) and lookt angry at me
@@baronbrummbar8691 hah don't mind them
Best quote of the movie.
Starcat5 Ikr
All the diamonds are bad just the difference with pink is she doesn't have a Redemption Arc
Edit:why does this have so many likes
More like she can’t have one
Well yeah absolutely...but that's the problem. She ran away from everything before she even had a slight chance at accepting/embracing the things she'd done that's "bad". Therefore, never comes to terms with her wrong doings, therefore never getting a redemption arc.
Meanwhile, everyone else is still here. Looking their past in its face, accepting it as wrong, and changing what they can now. Getting their redemption arc.
The big difference is everyone else was "man enough" to stick around and deal with their past, whereas Pink will never have to.
@@nellyb1594 if she'd been "man enough" we wouldn't have a show. Y'all don't like that Pink was irresponsible and didn't stick around to face her past? Blame Becky Sucrose. She chose the story to go this route.
@@AlottaBoulchit no no no you're taking me out of context. I agree with you, and I think you've made a great point. I'm just replying to the OP here. Saying "they're all bad, Pink just doesn't get a redemption arc" I'm just saying that's the thing, she'll never have one.
@@nellyb1594 but Steven is the redemption Arc
To be fair. All the diamonds were terrible so its not to surprising
Yeah i think people are missing the fact that literally no one has forgiven the other diamonds. We ignore them because the finale ruined them and there isn't anything to talk about. But people keep praising Pink to hell and back saying that she was such a good leader and an ideal role model. NO she wasn't. She was a manipulative child who decided one day that she didn't want to be responsible anymore. All she has done in the series is run; she ran from growing up, responsibility, her "sisters", her mistakes, her relationships, her commitments, her problems. Its not a good role model and it certainly isn't a good person. She abandoned everyone on earth in the ultimate attempt to run from her mistakes and let the rest of them clean up her mess. Yeah it was her fault the gems got corrupted because rather than face the other diamonds as a diamond with an army behind her she decided to fake her own death in an attempt to make the diamonds do what she did most: RUN. When it came to a full blown war she refused to confront it with the intent on winning because she wouldn't take down any other gem (im sorry but in war you don't win by knocking people out). When offered a way to win the war she punished someone for trying to help her and their friends live. When everything was all done and in shambles she left her friends to clean up the leftovers of her mess without ever telling them anything and leaving hte one person who knew it all to suffer in silence. She is a bad person, a good character, but a bad person.
eeveeongirl wow. This is really deep and deserves much more likes than it has.
@@eeveeongirl
"But people keep praising Pink to hell and back saying that she was such a good leader and an ideal role model"
I barely hear anyone saying this since a Single Pale Rose in fact in universe the show shows her as not perfect
"She was a manipulative child who decided one day that she didn't want to be responsible anymore"
That misunderstands a lot
"Yeah it was her fault the gems got corrupted because rather than face the other diamonds as a diamond with an army behind her she decided to fake her own death in an attempt to make the diamonds do what she did most: RUN"
Except if she'd have done that she'd have been no better than the other Diamonds. The whole point she had was freedom to choose how gems lived and if she as Pink Diamond had told the gems to go to war it wouldn't be a choice.
"When it came to a full blown war she refused to confront it with the intent on winning because she wouldn't take down any other gem (im sorry but in war you don't win by knocking people out)."
Given you can easily imprison anyone you knock out with a bubble I disagree
"When offered a way to win the war she punished someone for trying to help her and their friends live."
Actually Bismuth attacked her when Rose disagreed with shattering which is why she was bubbled
"everything was all done and in shambles she left her friends to clean up the leftovers of her mess without ever telling them anything and leaving the one person who knew it all to suffer in silence. "
By the time Steven was born it'd been eons since the war had ended she had no reason to believe the Diamonds would come back hell the only reason they do is Lapis anyway.
@@mikemorro140 funny you bring up lapis, any reason pink didnt free her? And plenty of people call pink a good leader and praise her or defend her like you are now. You cant deny she was selfish and thought of herself first and others second. Fact of the matter was every gem had to fight the war whether they wanted to or not. If they didnt join rose then they were fighting her because they thought she killed their leader. There isnt time to bubble everyone on a battlefield and when your enemy isnt taking that time you are going to die doing it. Yes you are right bismuth did attack her, but was that really deserving of being put into a coma essentially and telling everyone that she just disappeared rather than telling the truth and letting her friends decide how the situation should be handled? Yeah she didnt think the diamonds would return fine but she left everyone else to clean up the corrupted gems from the war she started, you know the mutilated forms of their comrades, and once again left her best friend (if pearl was even that with how often pink threw people who didnt interest her away) to suffer in FORCED silence about everything.
@@eeveeongirl
"funny you bring up lapis, any reason pink didnt free her?"
Probably because she didn't know about her in fact I think the gems thought it was just a regular mirror and Pearl was the one who had it.
"And plenty of people call pink a good leader and praise her or defend her like you are now"
I defend her because it feels like a lot of people like yourself either misunderstand or exaggerate some of the things she did and I'm not saying she was perfect but I also don't buy into everyone else now who seems to think she was this manipulative monster.
"Fact of the matter was every gem had to fight the war whether they wanted to or not. If they didnt join rose then they were fighting her because they thought she killed their leader."
Pink wasn't "shattered" until the end of the war so at that time the other side was really only fighting because they were told to
"Yes you are right bismuth did attack her, but was that really deserving of being put into a coma essentially and telling everyone that she just disappeared rather than telling the truth and letting her friends decide how the situation should be handled?"
No I definitely think it was wrong to not tell the other gems about it I just think it's weird people keep saying that Rose only did because Bismuth wanted to shatter gems
"clean up the corrupted gems from the war she started, you know the mutilated forms of their comrades, and once again left her best friend (if pearl was even that with how often pink threw people who didnt interest her away) to suffer in FORCED silence about everything."
Except Rose was helping them with that for thousands of years and they'd taken out a ton of them by the time she left. Like it'd be one thing if Rose just left like right after the war but again it was thousands of years later. As for Pearl as much as people say Rose was terrible to her if anything the show has always set it up as more of Pearl having a bit of an unhealthy obsession with her. Like from what we're shown in flashbacks Rose did seem to care about Pearl and the other gems quite a bit hell half the reason she fought the war was for them. Even keeping Pearl silent again really only became a problem when the war restarted thousand of years later like it feels as thought people think she could see the future.
Agreed, that's absolutely in keeping with Pink's persona. Yellow has the garb of a soldier and is quick, decisive, brash, violent, all those attributes. Blue is in very round garb of somber blue - she is all emotion, mostly sad, wills others to feel her pain, wallows in suffering, etc. White is brittle perfection with her spiky headpiece, unilateral view (white is the non-inclusion of other colors, after all), absent of feeling, shows psychopathy and yet complete propriety and moral superiority at the same time *shudder*. While pink is literally in clown's clothes. She's the poppet, the guignol. The Fool. She is the embodiment of childish fancy with all the passions, daring yet thoughtlessness of a child. With all the breathtaking goodness and horrifying badness that can bring. Totes makes sense.
This is probably the most mature and thought-provoking view of why Pink Diamond is bad. It’s opinions like these where they don’t choose sides of whether she *is* too good to be bad or she *is* too bad then being good, and that it brings up really good points with important evidence based on clips, quotes, etc., that really shines a light of hope for people of the fandom seeking answers and closure to these character traits. But much like the movie “there’s no happily ever after.“ We’ve yet to know more for what’s in store as the series still carries on. It can’t be promised, but hopefully things turn for better then for worse for the fandom.
I find it ironic that the lower-class gems turn out to be more mature than all the Diamonds...
Seriously, Spinel realized her actions were messed up in a shorter time frame compared to other villains in the series!
@@DrawciaGleam02 you are so right the diamonds were not realize what they were doing was wrong. Sure spnail was wrong to do that but she did it because pink left her all on her own. One more point why didn't Garnet see all of the fight happened than she would have seen it all and won.
@@DrawciaGleam02 I saw it more that rage and hurt clouded her mind and throughout the movie she get to calm down a bit and managed to see what she is doing. At first she was in denial and did not believe that can stop but Steven reasured her that she can change any time she want and show her the support she needed.
Y’all know if she was alive she’d get a redemption arc
Edit: oh damn thanks for the likes lol
midge314, maybe if that theory that originated from ”Change Your Mind” were true, but in that case how would mother & son be together in the same place?
Steven is her redemption arc dafaq
@@14cutiebaby hes a different person you dip
Miss Quirky Steven is a cop out/scape goat for Pink. Leave our precious boy alone.Let him be happy, Rebecca!
welp when ya think pink diamond is being forgiven but then she does s$;& like this
In other words: my mom was a b*tch and i had to pay for it :the movie
Basically
*the show
@@5252coolguy nope, thw movie.
@@user-sc9ht2tb7u both
Basically.. yeah
"Pink Diamond is kind of a bad person."
"I'm... not a real person.."
*Pink causes a lot of problems*
Pink: Ight Ima head out
this is scary accurate
Understatement of the century
Pink: and I'll make my son need therapy years later
555 likes O_o
Eduardo Landeros Sanchez ll
"But, I'm not a real person."
Lets remember that she's didn't really learn to care for another person, for a good while.
Edit: More likes than I thought lol either way it’s open to interpret. That’s why she’s written to be dynamic.
Unfortunately around The time When she Had Steven Was more Than likely The time She realized Shit was Up with How she Treated people, Uh she “died”
And by the time she did have people that cared about her and that she was supposedly caring about (note: She's always been kind of regarded as a mature deity and mother for all imo) she still didn't actually do it.
Oh shut up she had 6000 years to learn and as pearl said she always had a different man in her life I'm sure she could learn to care about something she liked over 6000 years when it took Peridot a few months maybe weeks
@@holo399 it was sure something for spinel THOT!!!
Carolina reaper st Your comparing somebody being happy and stuff to someone that’s practically trapped. 6,000 is longer when you just stand there the whole time
Rose's personality is actually perfect for the show's morals. If there's one lesson to be learned in the show, it's that her name is lapis.
Ok, if there's another lesson to be learned, it's that you don't have to be what others think you are. To explain, I made a list:
Character | Other's view of them | who they actually are
Steven | The son of Rose (less than her) | An all around better person than his mom
Pearl | A mere servant to pink | A strong, and independent gem
Amethyst | A weak defective soldier | A gem who makes the most of her abilities
Garnet | A disgraceful display of fusion | Two gems so close, that their love lets them exist as one.
The show teaches us that most of the time, no one is like any preconceived notions of them. This is also applicable to Pink diamond. Let's refer to the list:
Pink | A flawless being (a diamond) to her subjects, a sweet innocent child to the other diamonds | A little girl put on a throne, with no concept of responsibility
Rose | A brave war hero, who sees beauty in all life | A coward who abandons those she once called precious
I really like your point of view! They're pretty much teaching us to not take things at face value and think and judge for ourselves.
Preach!
Really cool!
So everyone seems like trash at face value but are good and precious in their own way. Rose/pink looks perfect and strong but is really weak and shitty.
Let's be honest here:
Any of us who is a Steven universe fan and somebody said they think Garnet was a disgraceful representation of a fusion we'd pull a knife on them
"Pink Diamond is Kind of a Bad Person"
I love how the Steven Universe Fandom is JUST NOW realizing this.
Isaac Smith ikr! Like I've been out here hating her for a hot minute
Saaame
I mean I stayed away from YT videos on SU until I watched the show and even while watching it I got a sense that she had some empathy problems
She is still my favorite character 😎
I realized this once it became clear when she was willing to resort to war but not as her self. If she had put her foot down as pink diamond and said she will resort to war to protect earth, than she could protected to earth and prevented a war. And if even if the other diamonds were willing to go to war with pink over earth, pink would have been far better off as she would have been able to rally a much larger military force as pink diamond than rose and she could have saved more gems with larger military forces.
Lapis:I was trapped in a mirror for 5000 years
Spinel: hold my roots
Holy crap this is the most likes I have ever gotten the most I have had before this was 27 thanks guys!!!!!
Creator of the Diamonds: Hold my [REDACTED]
Wasn’t pink tortured and abused all her life
Kamleskin lapis is just as bad because her gem got cracked and she was being used
Cringw
Tay Lucius yeah I guess but then she also tortured and abused others for example spinel
I think people need to remember that the Pink Diamond that abandoned spinel, left bismuth in a bubble, etc, isn't the same person who eventually got to know greg and gave up her life for steven: We essentially saw her redemption arc in reverse: At the start of the series, she was held up as this perfect moral figure, after she already had all her growth and changed as a person, and as SU went on we saw more and more of her faults and bad things she did before that point.
Glad someone says this never thought he needed to be redeemed cause she already was
That's why her character is so good. I mean, it doesn't make up for every shit she did but she definitely wasn't as bad as she was 6000 years ago. Of course, she was still NOWHERE NEAR as perfect as they predicted her even after she met Greg, if you consider the way she laughed at his face. Just like Peridot, Jasper and the Diamonds, she changed.
Still don't you think if Rose was such a good person and learned from her mistakes she would have released Bismuth, tried to help Lapis (talk to her or something), or at least sent a message to Spinel telling her to return to Homeworld.
@Xantall Fareood Two of those things for sure, but I think Pearl’s the only one who knew about Lapis.
@@xantallfarwood because she didn't want to deal with the consequences of her actions. Also, she was kind of a coward, considering she never told Garnet or Amethyst about her true identity even after the war was over and she had absolutely no reason to hide her identity anymore, besides fearing they would pull a Bismuth and attack her, even though it would be totally justified. She ran from responsibility, that's who she is.
I looked at the titles and immediately though “YEAH NO SHIT”
Same
Same
Same
I read the title and was like this SHOULD say pink diamond is a bitch FACT
Same and I barely watch IT
Everyone seems to forget that Pink Diamond's Character Development was in Reverse, I still love her.
Thank you.
Pink Diamond h i 👁👄👁
Me too
Right?! If anything, Pink was realistic and made mistakes, but tried to improve. She tried her best to learn how to love, and the fact that she started a rebellion against the system despite her biggest influencers being the diamonds really gives me respect for her.
@@ray4955 she ain't even try to improve she got worse and worse and she knew it to
Pink: *abandoned spinel*
Me and Everyone who loves spinel: so you chose death
Remember though: If years later, Rose remembered she left Spinel in the garden, she wouldn't have been able to visit her anyway. The galaxy warps were destroyed.
For all we know, she could've been devastated knowing she left her out there.
Spinel tried to murder the planet. That is an automatic "Literally worse than Hitler could have ever been" in my book.
Me: "release....the mother f0cking...... Hounds...."
@@argumengenichyperloquaciou4115 yeah but its different because spinel is a cute girl /s
ALBERT
I think it's kind of interesting that we actually see growth from Pink Diamond in reverse; we started the show with the person she grew into; Rose Quartz was her stopping point, the end result of Pink Diamond learning and growing as a person. But as we go farther into Pink Diamond's past, we get to see more of her younger self making very childish mistakes over and over and over. I think there's something to be said about successfully deconstructing the image children have of their parents as flawless beings, but I also think the fandom is kinda' throwing the baby out with the bathwater by claiming that Rose is *all* bad. She did change, and for the better, as she was willing to give up her form to bring Steven into the world. I think that's proof enough that Rose Quart grew significantly past her Pink Diamond origins.
whiskeyii EXACTLY!! This is the premise of the freaking show! Nobody’s perfect. You must change to grow. That’s why we are able to forgive WVERY SONGE OTHER GEM that did something fucked up... and a lot of them did WAY worse than pink. But we are able to forgive them because they change and grow. The people that don’t understand this obviously haven’t been paying attention.
I think that your ignoring that a lot of the pain she gave to the pple around her can be fixed and she had plenty of time to devolep if she didnt suicide to run from the mess she created like starting to respect humans instead of viewing them as a fetish (at least try to fuse with Greg even if it fails or at least don't make fun of him) giving pearl attention instead of abandoning her and the rest of the gems telling everyone the truth (she pd) before dieing instead of having pearl live with it she was terrable she cared only about herself the only reason why she protected the earth bc earth is her new playground if she found a new planet that's more fasenating than earth that was also away from the diamonds she would abandong earth just like that anyway that's why she's my favorite charecter💕💞 without her the show wouldn't be as interesting as it is pple need to understand that not every charecter has to be good and that if every charecter was this good moraly selfless baby uwu than the show would be boring and bland
Tho I don't believe she's just a terrable person I think she had good in her more than pple give her credit for like with Greg when he asked to fuse with her she laughed at him but after he said talk to me as a real person and that's what she did they talked so I don't think she 100% but she's not inocsent and oblivious to her mistakes as pple are trying to make her out to seem but yeah she's still my fav :)
Except even her final act, giving up her life to create Steven, was a completely selfish act. It's actually what has always made me despise her. The entire reason Pearl rebelled and pretended to shatter Pink was because Rose told her she wanted to live on Earth with her. That is what finally got a very apprehensive Pearl to go along with "shattering" her. It was pure manipulation. It is obvious throughout the show that Pearl has very little regard for the Earth or humans, only fighting for them because Pink/Rose believed in them. Pearl actually seems to rather enjoy the gem world, and rebelling against it was actually sort of not rebelling, since she only rebelled to please her diamond, which was her sole purpose. Rose reneged on the one thing that made Pearl "shatter" Pink, abandoning Pearl on a planet she didn't much care for, unable to return to Homeworld, and having to fight the gem monsters and take care of Steven. Rose's final act was the most devastating thing she could have done to Pearl, who truly loved Pink/Rose in a way that Pink/Rose could never love anyone or anything.
@@reedfamily841 It's obvious on closer inspection that Pink never developed romantic feelings for Pearl, she probably eventually developed a relationship similar to the one we can assume she had with Pink Pearl (someone who was taken away from her). The way I see it, Greg was a turning point for Rose. She realized how much she has acted only to serve herself, and decided to give something to Greg that would sacrifice her existence. Throughout the tapes of Rose, we see that all she wanted for Steven was for him to be able to love being himself; growing and changing, something she failed to do in her life. I agree that it is tragic that Pearl never got to have the "happily ever after" with Pink that she imagined but throughout the series we see her attachment to the Earth grow from something purely based on a lingering connection to Rose into an appreciation for the family she has made there and the new life she is leading. The point is, Pink Diamond is meant to be a flawed character. She is meant to represent a person who has difficulty understanding how emotions work (which btw is an ignorant topic on Homeworld). So with the creation of Steven, her character can be contrasted with a being who can better learn and grow. Someone who truly deserves to have her power.
“Pink Diamond is kind of a bad person”
Understatement of the year buddy
Exactly what I was about to comment, as well as my first thought upon seeing the title of the video.
I didn’t even watch the video. I was just here to comment “Kinda???!!!! Yeah, okay.”
She will never truly be redeemed being that she's kinda dead. Steven took her place when he came to be and there is no turning back. People can make justifications for her and Steven can solve all her problems, but it'll never be a true redemption being that it was Steven that handled her past issues and not her herself. She never came back to explain herself or apologize and she can't do that because Steven is her now. She's not an evil person, but she's definitely flawed in the way that she just ran from her issues and left people like Pearl, Spinel, Bismuth, and Pink Pearl behind with a bunch of baggage to deal with. Like did she ever even wonder about Spinel left alone in that garden or Bismuth bubbled up and locked away somewhere with no one to find her? Pearl and Garnet had just thought Bismuth got destroyed in the war or something. That's pretty messed up.
What happens when steven dies? Does rose return?
Basically the only thing Pink/Rose did right was give birth to Steven
i mean - she kinda saved every species on earth????
Ik
@Sally Yuh in what way not?
@Sally Yuh still without her there wouldn't be an Earth to begin with, so yes she did save it for the time being.
Marrying Greg Universe?
Pink went to buy some cigarettes, never come back
She went for cigs to the corner store.
But I thought she went out to buy some milk....
She went to run a colony, but decided a colony was boring and faked her shattering.
@@skylarthompson299 we know that
@@atheena6044 she’s in a garden why would she need milk she went to get some food but she forgot it was quarantine so she had to stay on earth yk😂😂
Steven Universe, once you remove all of the magical elements from it, at its core is about the impact of a parent's suicide on the child she left behind and his efforts to pick up the pieces. Steven still loves his mom, but he is finally mature enough to understand that she wasn't a very good person and he understands that that's not his fault. The movie really made a point of his being burnt out trying to clean up after her, but drove home his desire to be a better person than she was. Overall I think the show/movie did a pretty good job with such heavy subject matter.
One thing I always wondered about was if Steven ever really loved rose/pink I mean we know he admired her once and knew he wanted to be like her but was there really a love there he once said in earlier episode that he just didn’t know how to feel about her because honestly he didn’t know her then his illusion or perception of her was shattered when he realized she wasn’t this holier than thou figure.
Pink never meant to thrust her problems onto Steven. When the war was over she thought it was over. No more diamonds. Eventually she forgot about her problems. She thought that when she gave birth to Steven, he'd never have to deal with her problems. And yes she knew she'd lose her form. But she was giving it to a new life! Giving her life away to someone who can change! Reminder that we're being shown her character arc BACKWARDS. She never meant to thrust her problems onto Steven. She thought all her problems were over. She thought that her problems were never gonna rise from the grave. She thought that the diamonds were never gonna come back. She thought Steven would have a good problem free life and not the one he has now.
@@Starrrycandy if she thought all her problems were over, and keep in mind that some of those problems she directly caused, and just assumed she could kill herself and Steven wouldn't have to deal with any of it, yeah, it is her fault, even if she didn't mean it. Steven has every single right to not love her or forgive her, because even if her development was done backwards, he gets constantly exposed to all her negative sides, and that has been going on since Season 3. That's not his fault, it's not something he can avoid, and he doesn't owe her his love or forgiveness, even though I'm sure someday he might be able to. It's his to give, not hers to receive. It's called setting a boundary. Steven is just really bad at doing that because he thinks his problems and feelings don't matter and that he has no right to set up a boundary as long as he's helping other people, not matter what said people did to him. It's a destructive behavior that was developed because of several reasons, but the biggest of them is because Steven has a hard time trying to figure out if he even actually exists. He spent so long being told by literally everyone about how great his mother was, about how amazing and loving and how he should strive to be like her, like the Gems wanted, and then got told and SHOWN that she wasn't that great of a person after all. Actually, she was pretty horrible once upon a time, and even for a long time after that, and then he was constantly thrust into one apocalyptic situation after another because of some bullshit she or her family caused, and then his idea and general relationship with her became obviously extremely more complicated. And then after he realized he wasn't his mom and accepted that every bad thing she did wasn't his fault nor his responsibility, he was already so deep into this destructive cycle that he couldn't seem to escape, because all he knew how to do was avoid death and help other people, whether he liked it or not. And then Spinel came, and then the Rose Quartzes, and then Pink Pearl, and that all made him realize that no matter how much he tried to trick himself into thinking that everything was fine now and that his hurt and trauma didn't matter, it would ALWAYS come back to haunt him, no matter what. And that left scars on him, scars that ran through his brain as they do through his bones, and they almost consumed him. But after realizing in Change Your Mind that he was not his mom, that he didn't have to be his mom, that he EXISTED, he thought that that was it. But it wasn't. He still had to accept all this trauma and all this hurt and rage that he had repressed for everyone's sake, always plastering a fake smile no matter how much they hurt him, he had to accept that that was WRONG, and that he was RIGHT to feel that way, and that his friends and family wouldn't abandon him even with all of this anger and hurt and rage that he held inside him for so long, that he thought he didn't have a right to feel, that he thought made him a MONSTER, that they would all be there for him like he was there for them, not matter how much they hurt him, even unintentionally. And he finally accepted that, in I'm My Monster. That's why after that he could finally start his path to heal.
So yeah, in conclusion, she didn't MEAN to put all of this on him, you're right about that. It just doesn't change much.
its really more of a mother dying in a childs birth
@@infamousplayer8772 With all due respect, the negative things Steven was exposed to were in consequence of the deliberate acts of the Diamonds other than Pink: Corruption and The Cluster. Curing Corruption was evidently impossible to accomplish by Pink/Rose alone; and when Steven was born there was no inkling about The Cluster, much less that it would hatch in little more than a decade later and either destroy the Earth or invite the return of the Gem Empire's forces if something had gone wrong with it.
Steven had no more reason to hate his mother for sacrificing herself to create him, than a child whose mother suffering from a terminal disease nevertheless chose to give birth.
“Pink Diamond is Kind of a Bad Person”
Every sixty seconds in Africa a minute passes.
B i g b r a i n
ah yes, the floor is made out of floor.
You would think it's common sense but to this day there are ppl arguing her defense saying she's not really all that bad.
Hmmm… this water seems wet.
Pink diamond is basically just one of those people who just abandoned their dogs
DJC more like people who abandon a toy they weren’t close to
@@tytanm-2380 Except Spinel wasn't a toy.
mjangelvortex except spinel is a toy...
“Pinks *play thing*”
@@chocolatedomo9847 *bestfriend.
@@chocolatedomo9847 yes and pearl is basically jewelry.
no wonder her name is rose, she has thorns (not literally though)
Keeping it r/wooooosh safe
Love it
@Shygon Gamer101- well she did had plant powers.
it's one of those sayings/phrases,every rose has its thorns
I guess you could say she's a PRICK
*ba dum tiss*
Alright time to another Theory wit-
*ToM??*
😂
Lma0
Same
It literally threw me off so much!🤣
*NANI!?*
I think by the time Pink is "shattered" and we see Rose living on Earth, there is a genuine attempt at change. I think though that Greg was the first person to truly make Rose think about whether she was a good person or not. And ultimately, Rose's willingness to give up her form I think was a sincere attempt at trying to rectify things. Humans can change, and at least a that point, gems couldn't (or at least that was the impression). Rose put her faith in the fact that Steven would be better than her. You can still say that's selfish, but I do think there's at least some shred of decency to that logic.
So you mean put a 12/13 in a life death situation because you want to reedem yourself
Bruh shes not even the one who saves the earth it was all steven
Steven put his life in danger a couple of times just to save his friends but she didn't even try to stand up to the diamonds in her original form
@@jeffreysaludares1778 i mean earth would have been gone without rose lol
Plot twist. Pink is just playing pretend in her Steven flesh suit because she's scared of owning up to her mess.
genius
Rose stole some of Vidalia's eggs and Steven is really Greg and Vidalia's son. How could a Gem form a working human reproductive system? It makes no sense. Steven is a test tube baby.
@@scockery She shapeshifted her insides to replicate the human body. Same way Amethyst replicates a digestive system solely so she can eat.
@@protoman9198 Amethyst eats things that are indigestible, so I don't buy she has a real human stomach and intestines, then poops out metal/plastic/whatever.
@@scockery She's a diamond who can almost infinitely give (watermelon stevens) restore(the healing powers) and preserve(Lion and lars) life, I think she's more than capable of going through pregnancy with a human child with shapeshifting her insides.
ever since the extended song came out and when steven starts singing
"I will fight to be everything that everybody want's me to be when im grown!"
and when Rose/Pink was behind him, she just looked Pure Evil
Nobody:
Not even a single person:
Pink/Rose: 🤡
"nObOdY"
Hey, I'm a surviver and I just wanted to say thank you for this video. Being abused does not justify hurting others. It never does. I could relate to Spinel so much and the show dealt with the whole abuse and genocide and redeeming so so badly, it was a terrible example.
There are things that are not redeemable and there is a point where you can't make everything OK again.
You can grow and change and do better but that does not make you entitled to anyone forgiving you or wanting you around.
and yet spinel wanted to destroy organic life??
I don't think redeeming the character is necessary. No one is all good or all bad. Just because you are showing us Pink's bad side does not mean she doesn't also have a good side. Like everyone on Earth, she's a mixture of good and bad.
Accountability though is a different matter. If Pink could be held accountable she should be held accountable, not to redeem her but to make her repair the damage she caused.
bejjinks I feel the need to point out that the only really unambiguously selfless thing Pink is known to have done (having Steven included, mind you, which was more her taking her fascination with the human condition to self-destructive levels) is leading the Rebellion, and even that has a selfish motivator: The way the Authority worked, no one gem could go rogue, so in order for her to be absolutely liberated from oversight, so did every other gem on the planet. All the good things she does don't stop being good, but let's acknowledge that she only did the good things because they benefitted her personal goals.
@@TheDakkaman My point is that that's just like everyone else. Can you name anyone who has ever done anything unambiguously selfless? Can you name anyone who didn't have a selfish motive? Pink is no saint but I don't believe that there has ever been a saint.
@Brittany Bennett I did not say this as if it's supposed to make every bad thing anyone's ever done excusable. I am not excusing Pink Diamond. I'm just wondering why people are going to such extremes with their rage. Pink Diamond did wrong. Pink Diamond should be held accountable. Pink Diamond is not the devil.
Y'all are acting crazy. The OP never said that that excused everything, he just stated is true, y'all are looking too negatively. While there are positives to the character and what they did. Humanity is the same way. Our self is our motivator, experiencing things to our self makes us see things in a different light than usually seeing things done to others. The wording that Benjamin uses describing how "selfish," renegading from the Homeworld isn't conclusive as she didn't only renegade because of her abuse but because she wanted to save the lives of humanity, those she held fascination towards because of the Human Zoo Blue gave to her. She saw that the colony she was given was only meant to bring harm to the Earth, which she saw would affect their life as a whole, and end it. This is the difference of Rose and the Diamonds, she understands there's more meaning to humans than just lower-beings. This was the final straw on why which Pink/Rose declared war. What's the point of giving negatives when they've been already stated in the video? I can give you many, I can also give you many positives.
Mallery Totally agree with you. I’m just hoping the Pink Diamond hate train stops because she isn’t as bad as everyone makes her out to be, like it’s pretty much blown out of proportion at this point. :/ Like she ain’t the worst lol.
*Internet:* "Pink Diamond is a bad person"
*Me:* [As Plankton] "ALRIGHT I GET IT!!!"
You just saw that vid too?
@@Joseph_Drew_III I think everybody (or at least half the world's population) on Twitter did at this point.
I don’t have Twitter. I saw it here on YT.
@@Joseph_Drew_III Well that's where *I've* seen the video.
I don’t think she’s completely evil or a saint. I think Pink is in the gray area.
( I think she’s on the darker side of gray also don’t fight in the comments please. We all watch the show Steven Universe and it’s okay to have different opinions on certain characters)
Edit 2: Okay never mind I watched the full Steven Universe movie so I take back what I said about her being gray. Abandoning spinel and with all her other mistakes she crossed the line
I think provoking a war over wanting to fuck human guys is more black than white
@@vovabars1234 same
@@vovabars1234 o o f
No Gray Is Neutral.......
She caused enough evil to be THE DARKEST BITCH IN CARTOON NETWORK HISTORY.........
The show is ABOUT grey area. Everything is grey in that show, rose too, the diamond, everything is grey and thats why we love that show.
Everyone : Pink diamond was bad and Spinel WAS IN THE RIGHT
Spinel : I came gere to take my anger out on a bunch of strangers...
Aaaand now everyone is giving spinel pity points
A snappy response to an argument I doubt anybody made.
pinks still a bitch tho
Not everyone believes spinel was in the “right” and too be honest spinel taking out her anger on people is what lapis did to peridot when she tried to be friendly
Spinel wanted to destroy all Earth's life.
In head canon, I have to convince myself that, like the Diamonds other than Pink, she didn't really recognize Earth's life as "real" and that at the very least she was murdering billions of sapient beings.
If she actually did, then she should have been shattered with extreme prejudice and blown into the Sun.
I feel like villain isn't the right word; More like a destructive force without any directed malice. She was self-centered and that led to the majority of the problems throughout the series, but villain is more someone who actively strives to destroy others for the advancement of their own goals. There was no active evil intent with her, she was just an inconsiderate and negligent person. She was awful and the characters have really started to grasp that and are working out those complex emotions.
@Invader Jet oh come on
Invader Jet bro, there’s a lot of complexity in her character. Sorry not all of us want to go with the knee jerk reaction and be like, “She needs to be punished!!!”
*Yellow, Blue, and White cause a genocide*
Fandom: *Forgives them*
*Pink leaves Spinel*
Fandom: >:0
Nah. The fandom still aren't warm to none of them.
I think my fav part we forget and forgive is the diamonds making a living gem bomb and the forced fusion experiments. Like real war crimes they can't undo unlike the light.
We don't truly have a body count on the dimonds. All we know is that they conquered planets. They did have lots of gems shatter but they can be brought back.
@@ThatDude-qw1sg there's no evidence shattered gems can be brought back
So you’re gonna forget how she faked her death and staged it as Rose shattering her, which led to Steven to be blamed, lied to Garnet and Amethyst about her true identity, abandoned Greg and Pearl, used Greg for her selfish desires, isolated Bismuth away from everyone, etc? Yeah the only bad thing was her abandoning Spinel.
Pink Diamond is a war criminal.
Bismuth : She looks bad
Lapis : She sounds bad
Spinel : SHE IS BAD!
Audre Levin no
@@xnortheast1106 yes
Marinara Sauce no
Majestic Tv yes
In my opinion pink diamond/rose is not bad or good. She made a lot of mistakes, but she learned from them in her own way.
The show is showing her deeds backwards by showing her redemption first aka being with greg and learning to love him and wanting Steven, saving the humans, cherishing fusion etc. And as the show goes on, they show her bad mistakes. Yeah it sucks how she left everyone behind with her problems, but I think she just was a dreamer hoping for a better place. And by doing so only concentrating on herself, aka she was selfish. But as time went by and her finally starting to see things as they are and Greg telling her about what’s not right (he was the only person to teach her what she’s doing wrong) She learned what not to do.
In my own experience I have made same kinds of mistakes like her. I left a person when I was younger because she was too clingy and wanted to hang out with me all the time. As i look back on it, I realize how horrible I was towards her. She loved to hang out with me and she did all these kind things to me, but I, being the selfish person I was and wanting to hang out with the cool people, left her behind. I also told her to act more like a grownup (even tho I was being more childish). I Ignored her calls and in the end, ended up breaking her heart. People always hurt the people who love them the most.
But like Spinel, this girl that I hurt, changed because of me. She wanted to hang out with the cool people too. I already had changed my way of thinking and wanted to say sorry for the way I treated her, but it was already too late. She had changed completely, heavy makeup, clothes, how she talked and what music she listened to. All to satisfy some strangers needs.
I ignored this and wanted still to return her into my life, but she didn’t accept me anymore. She wanted me to change too. She wanted me to put more makeup, slutty clothes, change the way I talk and all. It hurt me this time. After that I felt like shit for a long time. I almost started dressing that way too because I wanted to feel beautiful again.I guess karma is a bitch.
Pink Diamond did not have anyone to learn from what is right and what is wrong before Greg. She had to learn things with experience. By doing horrible things she observed what happens after doing so and then maybe learned from that. Running away was one of her learnings.later she learned to fight. Home-world was advanced in Pink diamonds time only in technology, but emotions and understanding feelings was a very confusing subject for the gems. Abuse, slaves, hierarchy was a thing there. Yes, she could have said sorry for her things. But in her defense I have to say that she just didn’t know how. Greg even said that Rose felt like confessing about many things but it’s all in the past now.
I think she didn’t go get Spinel because she viewed her mostly as a toy. She had so many things in her mind that she couldn’t satisfy everyone. Yes that’s horrible, I agree, but she loved the crystal gems, she loved the planet earth, she loved many things.
No one is an angel nor a demon. Some people just learn the wrong way of doing things and don’t have common sense, but that doesn’t make them horrible people.
“If every pork chop were perfect, we wouldn’t have hotdogs.”~ Greg Universe
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The best comment
Greg for the best
Ah... The inigma known as Steven Universe...
yeah, many people have abandoned me because i was clingy af and childish, but hey! i’m not trying to kill the world with a poison injector, *yet*
0:00 “hello my name is Tom and we are gonna have a quick chat-“
Me: *looks at video time* “I don’t think this’ll be very quick”
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79 now
119 now
Lapis: I was trapped in a mirror for 5,000 years
Spinel: hold my roots
Wow thanks for all the 1000 likes. Not to be desperate but I kinda need subs
Yeah, that is worse
OOH
Oof I can just imagine them fighting over that like :
Lapis: hey guess what,
Spinel: what?
Lapis: I was trapped in a mirror for 5000 years
Spinel: well I was standing still in the exact same spot after being abandoned for 6000 years
Lapis: ;-;
Spinel: “That’s rough buddy”
Omg lol
I would really appreciate if the show did not rush the fact that the 3 Diamonds just went from Planet destroying dictators to Super nice Planet destroying dictators that adore steven. I wish they did the same to the Diamonds on what they did to Peridot.. :/
Well, it's already been 2 years in SU. Peridot turned around in a few months. So timeline-wise it isn't rushed. It just happened off screen and they aren't done growing characterwise since they still have their slip ups.
@@DeidaraFan96 if thats the case then I wished they showed it on screen.
i think what's weird is everyone is STILL hard on Pink despite all her worst actions being things she did YEARS ago and she did other things to try and make up for it all, incluidng DYING, but NOONE holds what they did to the Diamonds despite the fact they ACTUALLY KILLED PEOPLE
@@sarafontanini7051 That's because we expected those actions from the diamonds but Rose Quartz/PD was treated as something like a saint for most of the series. Plus all the things she did she did it without thinking about the consequenzes and what it did to others. Pink faking her shattering is what drove the other diamonds over the edge, Rose disapearing to become steven left the Crystal gems into despair and without a leader not to mention all the enemys which she knew were after her, a being thousand of years old and trained fighter, are now after steven, a child. She did most of her decisions without thinking them through.
The diamonds on the other hand had always problems and they're not completely forgiven for the things they did, and they never will be, nor are they're even closely done redeeming themselves. But, personaly, I like the other diamonds more because their motives were more relatable. They were placed on the top of an empire and had to be perfect, what steven told them was wrong, and after PD was gone, they all fell into despair. Blue fell into a deep depression, Yellow goes into rage and white completely lost it and went into denial about the loss of PD. Three of the stages of grief which some people can relate to who lost someone.
Time skips are fun
But you do miss out alot
Your speech about how abuse may explain why someone acts in negative ways but doesn't excuse the fact that they are causing harm really hit home. I have been told too many times to count that when I got upset over other's actions and how they hurt me, "Well you have to remember how they grew up/experienced/suffered." Like they had zero control over the way they act. So hearing this (especially since I'm in the middle of a platonic break up with what I'm realizing might have been an incredibly toxic relationship) was actually really helpful and unexpected from this video. Thank You, it is very much appreciated.
i honestly wonder if pink brought spinel with her, could she have become a crystal gem?
edit: i literally have never got this many likes
spinel could have single handedly end the gem war
SHE POOFED 3 CRYSTAL GEMS AND MADE THEIR LEADER POWERLESS....
@@deadinlive6731 With a rejuvenator. Without it she wouldn't defeat the 3 that quickly
She most likely would have been corrupted by the Diamonds
@@sakurabiskuit more like shattered and got pink locked back up in the dark room
Imagine if she was found in the gardens by one of the diamonds, she would annihilate the crystal gems. Steven only won because spinel realized what she was doing was wrong, she was blaming the wrong person. But she would go insane on rose, pearl, and garnet (And litterally every other crystal gem like bismuth). This is cause she doesnt know rose is pink, nd thus would want to destroy her no matter what the cost. Oh and nobody would be able to poof spinel with her own rejuvinator and not be able to be poofed by it like steven, as a matter of fact would she even have one, likely not.
"Is *kind of* a bad person"
Amazing
me: kind off?
Haha this made me laugh XD
Understatement of the year.
Me as I read the title: no shït sherlock
Yeah I has the same reaction XD
Plot twist:
Pink Diamond is still in her gem, she's just lying about her being gone.
The comment right underneath yours talks about how Love Like You is basically Pink trying to learn how to love and this comment goes really nicely with it because what if the gem is like a camera and Pink is trying to learn to love through Steven but doesn't want to be found out
Have you ever thought about spinel being stevens sister
Knowing Pink Diamonds character I really wouldn't doubt that for a second. After all the show has pulled red herrings before to bamboozle the fans.
Timothy T. That’s stupid enough to work
omg what if this is actually true and when steven dies she is reforming as pink again
The movie and SU: Future really opened my eyes to just how bad Pink Diamond was. rewatching the original series and seeing flashbacks and how the gems remembered her.. it was uncomfortable, seeing just how much she’s damaged others around her.
Honestly, I loved how Rebecca Sugar made it somewhat subtle for some people. The movie was a giant bomb shell for some people, including myself.
Rewatch it again and remember the whole series and throughout the movie, she's being neglected and still waiting [during the series and first few minutes of the movie].
Title:: Pink Diamond is Kinda a bad person
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*YA DON'T SAY? :D*
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING😂😂😂😂
This show has really destroyed Pink/Rose as anyone that is remotely likable. However, when it came to her reasons why she chose to rebel against the Diamonds and incite a whole bloody war that killed thousands, the show did it piss poorly, but it still gave the indication that Pink/Rose didn't make the decision lightly. That she made this poor, not even thought out decision, because she did still mean well. With Spinel, you don't even have THAT. The story doesn't even TRY that this was a poorly thought out decision on Pink/Rose's part. It's not even explained WHY Pink/Rose did this, or WHY she couldn't bring Spinel with her and forced her to stay rooted in place for 6,000 years. (It was never said that the Diamonds refused to allow Pink to take Spinel with her, everything indicates that Pink just grew bored of her playmate and wanted to abandon her like a used, discarded toy.) And she never told a soul about Spinel. Even Pearl was not fully aware what Pink/Rose had done to her friend/playmate. Nor why Spinel understandably had her mind broken and damaged after being abandoned for 6,000 whole years.
It's actually bewildering how much this show has utterly destroyed Pink/Rose as a character and that she is someone this contemptible and arguably is the true villain that helped start everything wrong in this series. A petty, superficial, shallow and self absorbed, petty brat who allowed people to literally die for her and because of her, almost had genocide committed on an entire planet-at least three times. And caused a good friend to go insane from being abandoned. Yeah, the entire thing with Spinel was ROSE'S fault. Entirely. When it never needed to happen. . .
@@feraflauna3238 mostly because we see her development backwards. The show starts with her after she was already dead and was remembered as a loving, selfless, if not a little impulsive friend/wife/mother. THEN we learn more about her past and how her impulsive decisions affected her loved ones (and thousands more) mostly negatively. AND THEN we got the full scope of her upbringing and how she acted before she met Greg and became more respectful to those she "loved." She was rash, impulsive, and immature, which I don't entirely blame her for. But what I DO blame her for was her inability to take responsibility for her actions and telling the truth to the people she (once again) "loved."
The way I see Pink is that she did change for the better near the end of her life by being able to "love like you (Greg)" and have Steven. Although she left a lot of loose ends and left her family without the closure they so desperately needed. Also the whole cluster thing, also she never went back for the homie Bismuth, nor did she intend on going back for Spinel. Which were all pretty bad things to leave unfinished for your unsuspecting son and family to take care of after you died. So yeah, Pink kinda sucked. But she sucked less at the end of her life. Peace and love SU fans, this has been TG over and out.
@@tapdancinggiraffe9047 But has anyone thought about maybe there being a reason why Pink couldn't go back? Specifically being that almost everyone on Homeworld AND Earth thinking PD was shattered? INCLUDING GARNET.
Sure, let's go back to the garden and get Spinel, and proceed to have her accidentally tell everyone who PD is. Not to mention if that got out to Homeworld.
Spinel wasn't built for war - not like Amythests or Rubies or the sort. PD knew that, and you can see it on her face when PD leaves her. Spinel is *holding PD back* from her dream of having a colony. In fact, it wouldn't be a huge leap to say that the other diamonds specifically knew that would happen. They didn't think PD could have her own colony. They continuously prevented PD from doing anything she actually wanted - even to the point of locking her away.
Let's tackle one last thing that bothers me about the "Pink is shit" faction (just while I'm at it) and that's the 'Pink didn't have to shatter herself and fight Homeworld or her family' bit. Yes, she did. This is explicitly stated during the flashback on the moon.
Blue Diamond: "You must understand. You are a diamond. Everyone on this planet is looking to you. You don't even have to do anything, just smile and wave.... As long as you are there to rule, this colony will be completed."
Not only do we see Blue pulling a White (i.e. not letting Pink talk or defend her thoughts), but we see that it really doesn't matter what Pink does, as long as she exists. Earth will be destroyed as long as there is a Pink diamond to rule over it, whether she does it by her own hand, or if the other diamonds do it for her. Not only just in her own mind, but in reality - as long as she's there, everything she wants to protect will die.
The only person who was able to come with her is her Pearl - the only gem she can trust not to tell anyone - because PD can order her to do that. The literal fate of the world and all the humans living on it is at stake. They don't get a second chance. Their only options to save Earth are through Rose, or to actually shatter PD. No one could know.
@@Tomoeine you do realize that anytime between setting up her colony and her shattering, Pink could have gone and gotten Spinel and hid her away. There is no excuse to have done that to Spinel.
Yes, Spinel was holding her back, but guess what? Pink should have and could have said "I cant bring you along, you need to stay on Homeworld"
And then explained the situation, but no
Pink ABANDONED Spinel flat out and refused to do anything about it.
Spinel devoted her LIFE to Pink and Pink didnt even devote a word to Spinel.
If Pink honestly cared about Spinel and hadnt meant to leave her abandoned, Pearl would have known instantly that Spinel was there, what happened to Spinel, etc. Garnet would have known, Amethyst would have known, Greg would have known, Steven would have know but NO
The only person who knew of Spinel knew of her because she (Pearl) had seen Spinel and Pink playing in the garden and that's it.
Pink is a shithole of a person, shes a horrible person, and to defend her is to defend abusive behavior.
Pink diamond ruined a couple peoples lives and was very selfish but then you realise the rest of the diamonds killed thousands.
Would you rather ruin peoples(=friends and family) lives (potentially killing them or leaving them for death) or killing people you don't know?
Yeah....but she was the catalyst
Excuse me. A WAR is a couple
Yeah. But that doesn’t prove she isn’t a bad person. The diamonds didn’t know better. And when they did they changed their ways. Pink knew perfectly well. And she just ran from her problems. The least she could’ve done was fix some of her mistakes before having a child.
Exactly!
Hear me out. Pink never cared about gems until Garnet and Pearl showed her something she hadn't seen before. Individuality. Raised as a Diamond 'lesser' gems were seen as tools not their own person. "Every gem has a purpose" and those who fall out of that role are "Off color". Non usable tools for gem kind. Spinel was made to be nothing more than a distraction presumably after Pink getting locked up by her sisters over and over again. The garden was a place to get Pink out of the way. Even though Spinel was made to be a 'friend' Pink began to realize (as per her slow reactions of sadness and discomfort in the garden) that the garden itself was another form of confinement. That the gem given to her was programmed as a tool to keep her happy. Her leaving Spinel behind was her leaving behind the fact that she was in an abusive relation ship with the other Diamonds. It would be like a child given a teddy bear or toy by an abuser to keep them quite and them leaving it behind when they finally escape that life. (I.E) Pink going to earth and leaving home world and her garden behind.
Now when pearl started dreaming up things Pink diamond didn't ask of her (earlier annoying pink in the moon base that pearl was so subservient) and after seeing a fusion of two other gems that's main function were to be something else Pink as Rose "wanted to fight for her". Garnet. A gem that was no longer a tool in her eyes.
Unfortunately in all of this Spinel was a living being. All gems from the show are living feeling beings. However, even at the end of the movie the other Diamonds call Spinel "One of Pinks lost treasures." So even they admit that she was a tool for use or a treasured item. Something rare to be used.
Rose was horrible for not going back after the realization that gems could have individuality, but from her perspective as Pink its understandable. She was abused and left everything behind from those days.
Pink was always a very flawed person and even tho she's a gray area she was always leaning on the darker side of grey...
THANK YOU. Someone needed to say this.
What? The Garden wasn't just some place for pink to get dropped off when the other diamonds didn't want to deal with her! She went there to play with Spinel, it was a place for her to get away from her loneliness, granted Spinel WAS just a distraction, because Pink's ultimate desire was to have her own colony, maybe as a more permanent way to deal with her loneliness, but at that time, she was still of the mindset of a child, so it's natural for a child to just let go of something that doesn't interest them anymore.
It's entirely possible that Pink understood and cared about Spinel, it's just that if Spinel followed Pink to Earth, she would only be an even bigger distraction than she already was, how could anything that transpired happen if Spinel is bouncing around, getting in the way and ultimately giving away that Rose Quartz was Pink Diamond all along, but even with that, Pink Diamond forced herself to grow up by accepting responsibility for a gem colony, that means Spinel has to stay behind, , it's something that most kids from back then forced themselves to do, put their toys away, get rid of their distractions so they can be something bigger. That isn't to say that it was a smart thing to do, considering the context of the movie, but it's something that has happened in the real world.
Also the thing about the Diamonds is that they view things differently than other gems, even years after White Diamond was "defeated" and helped Steven and the other Diamonds save the corrupted gems, but I think that's just the part of them that get past themselves and the trauma of losing Pink Diamond, and besides...they're getting better at it, kind of.
Except she did the exact same thing to Bismuth AFTER realizing Gems had individuality. Bismuth got a little too gung-ho about their protection of Earth, and rather than being honest, PD/Rose bubbled Bismuth and hid her in an unreachable realm for all eternity. So this kind of proves your view wrong. Pink Diamond didn't genuinely care that Gems had individual personalities, she just found it interesting and amusing, and if it got too annoying to deal with, she got rid of them.
this is the only thing i’ve read that made me do a double take on my fiery hatred of Pink. very interesting
pink diamond was bad. not "is bad".
her actions as rose quartz and led to the era of freedom which was the major choice of creating the existence of steven.
sometimes people think about someone being bad at the past . forgetting about the more good things they did in the present.
50 seconds ago. Well that's a new record on my end, dang
You are right. Pink Diamond is just a scapegoat for hate
Gabriel Magicer it’s only hate with her, because they don’t even speak of the other actual evil characters and don’t balance her out with the many good things she has done and learned
@@t-m0ney_mak3r42 it really does feel like they're using her for that to avoid talking about how easily the diamonds were redeemed , all the wrongs others suffered under them and the way raised pink in that environment. Much as I agree that pink was a bad person, she also was a child raised in an exceptionally restrictive and abusive family that viewed everyone below them as disposable . I truly believe we saw glimpses of the kind person she was beneath that, but when she screwed up she screwed up beyond belief. I feel like she was only kinda just starting to come into more positive views of how to treat other people around the time she gave up her form, but she's the perfect hate sink character since she's dead.
@@t-m0ney_mak3r42 What good has she done realistically? The only good thing she has ever done is make other gems realize that they are so much more than what the diamonds made them to be.
No one is saying she's evil, she's immature and makes bad choices, and calling her out for her actions isn't ignoring everyone else. The difference between her and the diamonds is that the diamonds are actually dealing with the things they've done and trying to change.
And before we get into that, "She saved the earth", thing, she didn't. She made the situation worse actually, so much worse that the diamonds created a geo weapon in the center of the earth. And before that, got thousands of gems corrupted because she faked her death.
Are the other diamonds saints compared to her? Absolutely not, do I forgive them for killing gems and destroying planets? Absolutely not, but acknowledging the fact that they are ACTUALLY dealing with their problems is important.
And Pink wasn't even starting to be a truly good person, she was just falling deeply in love with the earth because its the embodiment of everything she wants so be, free.
Salami R0se 《Myosotis》 All I can say is that I disagree with you, and I’ll leave it at that. I read so many comments today regarding this topic and I think I need a break.
@@t-m0ney_mak3r42 Oof
The Roundtable: Pink Diamond is kind of a bad person
Garnet: it's a little obvious
Remember that we saw Pink's growth in reverse so it's much easier to claim she's a bad person
(although the rest of the diamonds are way worse but idk why no one acknowledges that)
except even in the end we saw she was not a very nice person even the flash backs to the time she was greg dont paint her ina great light
Mmm...nobody cares about her "growth in reverse" we see her actions and believe me nobody can say she's good after consider everything she has done
The Diamonds fixed everything with a Steven's Help but they all had their ways of changing
Look at fucking Pink she changed her looks just to do all that shit she freaking gave her son Depression
@@ladyaceina The very last thing we see of her in her timeline is the very first impression we get of her. Its really a question of whether you think she was being sincere in that videotape because it happened well after any of the flashbacks as evidenced by Greg's hair loss. Now you can say it wasn't enough, but to me the impression is she was trying to be better at that point.
Meanwhile the other diamonds have been destroying worlds for millennia, shattered gems and then stuck their pieces together to make abominations. Its good that they're trying to do better now, but just like Pink that doesn't erase what they did. Hell if it were Blue instead of Pink she probably would have shattered Spinel once she no longer had a use for her. Pink hurt a lot of people and we got to see those hurt closely, but the others hurt even more people we didn't get to meet or even see mentioned. So yes the other diamonds at their worst were far worse than Pink who couldn't even complete one colony after seeing what it was doing.
like I said alll of them are bad.
Well..
This is just personal thought,
Pink Diamond is like a little kid in a body of an adult.
I mean, all she wanted was a planet of her own, to prove her worth and the bigger "adult" diamonds still treat her like a baby.
So when she was given her own planet, she gave up her childish acts to take lead and eventually become Rose because again the adult diamonds were still reluctant with her.
**reads title**
Tell me something I don’t know.
You think pink is good?
**Boss music starts playing**
@@linyetaicetea8405 huh why do I hear boss music?
I dont think Pink Diamond is worthy of redemption. Steven holds her responsibilities that she left behind, but he also holds her power. Someone that careless and immature with the power of a Diamond brought an empire to it's knees and threw it into a dark age. Steven has only done good, Pink Diamond got her shot and failed in every court.
I agree
She did protect Earth from colonization....
The show is about how EVERYONE can change. This includes her as well.
@@DrawciaGleam02 simply because it belonged to her, it like a child owning a ball of course he wouldn't want anything bad to happen to it
If Blue, Yellow and White are worthy of redemption then Pink is as well!
Well you have to admit. The writers did one heck of a good job to have Pink Diamond be the center of this kind of discussion.
Goes to show how complex, yet flawed of a character she really is.