Game Over! Starliner Is Getting Worse Than You Think! SpaceX to Rescue...
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0:00-0:21: Intro
0:22-6:51: The astronaut is stuck
6:52-8:10: Future mission
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Game Over! Starliner Is Getting Worse Than You Think! SpaceX to Rescue...
NASA indefinitely delayed the return flight of two astronauts on Starliner but continues to assert that this is not a 'stranded' situation.
So, is that the truth?
Indeed, Boeing Starliner Is Getting Worse Than You Think!
Let's find out on today's episode of Alpha Tech:
Game Over! Starliner Is Getting Worse Than You Think! SpaceX to Rescue...
On June 5, the Crew Flight Test (CFT) mission of Boeing's CST-100 Starliner spacecraft completed its first stage by successfully sending two astronauts to the ISS. However, the return process did not go as smoothly.
In a statement on June 18, NASA said that the event of bringing astronauts back to Earth would occur after the second of the two planned spacewalks at the space station, which was scheduled for July 2.
That spacewalk has since been postponed to late July after a water leak from a suit umbilical line in the airlock just as a June 24 spacewalk was beginning, that spacewalk was scrubbed.
This has led to the Starliner's test flight schedule being extended by at least a month and a half, and possibly longer.
Game Over! Starliner Is Getting Worse Than You Think! SpaceX to Rescue...
On the afternoon of June 28, at a press conference, NASA explained that the additional delay is to conduct ground tests on the Starliner's RCS thrusters to try to replicate the conditions that caused the thrusters to malfunction during the approach to the station. These tests, expected to start this week, will last at least a few weeks.
Steve Stich, NASA commercial crew program manager, noted that these ground tests would also allow for a detailed examination of the thrusters to determine the possible causes of the issue, something that cannot be done with the thrusters in space on the Starliner. These thrusters are located in the spacecraft's service module, which is discarded and burns up in the atmosphere, making post-flight study impossible.
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Boeing should repay the tax payers for the money they have wasted in funding this disastrous fiasco.
I am not a rocket engineer, but I know that 99% of all leaks are not self healing
FLEX-TAPE will be added to the repair kits after millions of dollars of consultation & tests.
it will continue to leak until the helium runs out
They usually get worse, due to friction at the leak.
@@RickTheClipper so you know there are upstream valves to isolate systems 🤣
@@Metalle I know, but to return they have to open the valves.
I prefer two stranded astronauts over two posthumous American heroes
Funny a SpaceX resupply will be needed to provide the extra food and water for the Boeing starliner crew 😂
Boeing should stop thinking about the space business.... and direct all their attention to tightening bolts on aircraft😅
As a kid, I remember associating Boeing with high tech. Now, I am completely disheartened. What they turned this company into is criminal.
If its Boeing, I ain't going.
All we can do is hope and pray these two astronauts come home safely.
The problem with Boeing Starliner is the fact it is made by Boeing.
NASA can’t dei their way out of spacecraft performance. Safe return is like presidential debate performance, it’s going to be evident to everyone and no amount of Kumbya is going to help if those astronauts get killed.
Better articulation than I would have done. As an engineer and having been a contractor for Boeing in and around most of their defense oriented facilities here in the N.W. You hinted at the real issue. The acceptance of lower expectation, hiring KIDS WITH OVERPRICED DEGREES and unloading their oder engineering staff has contributed top the clear stupidity on display in Space and lets hope not on return.
As long as SpaceX exists, nobody will ever be 'stranded in space'.
Emmm.
@@jcdisci Ermmm, they need to dismount that damn baby from the IDA first...
I'm so tired of whinny administrators decrying bad press.
They are stuck. The ship has issues. The optics for starliner are terrible. Lastly as Americans, we have the right to comment as we see fit, whether you like it or not.
@@chadbabcock27 I agree, they def are quite stuck... Just hopefully the IDA/PMA generally are okay once they blow the cap on the seal btw the Starliner and the station... That much just has me worried...
@@chadbabcock27 specially since we are flipping part of the bill...also unfortunately, with Boeing it takes complaints and accidents to have them fix things
I hope Boeing never make a submersible
DEI is KILLING Boeing Fast!
NASA and Boeing are KILLING IT !
Literally...
The media are now calling it the Starliner Max. The leaks in the suits are because they are using 10 year old suits from the Space Shuttle and they only have some spares that are either too small or too big to do a space walk. And the helium leaks in the service module can only be repaired with a space walk. They are screwed.
Let Space X rescue the two Boeing Starliner astronauts and bring the capsule back remotely so that we don't have another "Columbia" situation.
They should rename it the Boeing SS Minnow.
Definitely never travel in a Boeing.
@@AndyFromBeaverton Hell, I was raised in a Boeing family. I never felt safer in a Boeing plane in the past 30 years. Today..... what Airbus plane is available?
stranded
adjective
1. left without the means to move from somewhere.
"she offers a lift to a stranded commuter"
2. (of a boat, sailor, or sea creature) left aground on a shore.
"a stranded whale"
I would like to add a third definition:
3. (of a spacecraft) left without the means to leave a space station, lunar or planetary base
"Butch and Suni are stranded on the ISS, because the Boeing Starliner is an unsafe piece of rubbish"
If NASA and BOEING are going to insist on using the capsule to bring Butch and Suni back, and if that fails resulting in another disaster, then BOEING is finished and NASA is close behind.
Just do the right thing and have Elon get them back safely.
One might think.... But I don't see it happening.
Breaking News: Steve Stitch has qualified to backup KJP as the biggest liar at the Whitehouse. NASA it's all about the spin.
What NASA needs to ultimately do is bring those astronauts safely back to earth aboard a SpaceX capsule and get the starliner to bring itself back empty if that’s even possible, we all know that the SpaceX craft is fully automated to return to earth.
It's quite obvious they are stalling. This mission is already a complete failure. That being the case, I see no reason to risk the astronauts lives by trying to bring them back on that deathtrap. Load it full of garbage and send it back by itself. I wouldn't exactly say the astronauts are stranded, as they have other options for getting back. But that depends on NASA letting them use another option.
It just has to happen at a time when China just retrieved samples from the far side of the Moon. Its a harbinger of the downfall of an empire.
"press coverage has been painful" . . . YOUR PERFORMANCE HAS BEEN PAINFUL!!! For the love of God don't put two astronauts in that thing coming back through re-entry!
SUICIDE DUO
I think there are issues with separation from the booster once it's left the station and if it doesn't separate re-entry is going to be a disaster.
Boeing is losing the ability to solve serious problems and is increasingly relying on the art of verbiage.
Because of DEI!
They should ask themselves how SpaceX was able to make Dragon so proficiently, while Starliner, Dreamchaser and Blue Origin are so far useless!
Not celebrating DEI
For safety sake return the starliner unmanned and bring the astronauts home with SpaceX crew Dragon due to it's safety record and reliability. It would be foolish to risk the lives of these astronauts on a spacecraft that clearly is having multiple issues at this time. Don't let Boeing's ego kill 2 astronauts.
Fully agree!!! The station can dock to different capsules…the other astronauts are going in a Space X capsule….yes it will cost 100s of millions…but should anything happen to those astronauts on the Boeing ship Boeing is done.
Who is getting paid off to allow Starlinear to keeping going?
Boeing will certainly have to bear this cost
NA$A has an incestuous relationship with the big aerospace companies. They grudgingly accepted SpaceX.
"Cost Plus" Everyone is getting paid off as long as they can keep it going.
@@gregadkins219 starliner isnt cost plus, Boeing is loosing billions with it.
@@alphatech4966 They will. This is not a "Cost Plus" contract.
"If it’s Boeing, I’m not going".
Nah...more like... If it's Boeing, it's not going...
@@Flyby-1000nah, it's more like.... If it's Boeing, it's not coming back.
The new Made by Boeing is the old Made in China!😂😂😂
Remove Boeing from all government contracts. Let’s find out who in government or there families own Boeing stocks
Boeing is getting very sloppy all the way around! Aircraft and space flight
Get a dragon up there ASAP. Boeing and NASA need to swallow their pride.
NASA would still be paying then..... spaceX has no customers.
I don't think Boeing has any pride left, June is over.
@@donscheid97 and starshit isnt ready but the SLS works....
Since it's Boeing, they're not going.
Just a few more billion $$ and Boing is almost certainly kind of sure they possibly with never-ending funding resolve some of these unforeseen issues.
and after thaty a few more billions and 2-6 years and they will almost be in the position SpaceX is today...
@@bessarion1771 The won`t reach spacex. There for they would need much more flights, and they won`t get them.
Just a few more delays and these astronauts can catch a ride to Mars on a Starship.
Quit sending astronauts, send top Boeing executives.
Not intelligent enough to handle it.
@@ohsweetmystery Send them anyway. Maybe they can have Elon install an autopilot, lol.
I don't care if Steve Stich's feelings are being hurt. Boeing and NASA brought this on themselves.
I always wonder why the long haired astronauts don't tie their hair up.
@@riogrande5761 she should be fired for letting that mop on the space station. Ridiculous.
When they first went to the ISS, they still let their hair down, but after working, I thought they would tie their hair.
At some point Boeing will realize they can’t trust the spacecraft to safely bring the astronauts back. They will have to send an Uber to pick them up (imagine the surge pricing and the massive expected tip!).
So they’re having problems with their Rockets. Problems with their space suits. And problems with their spaceship. So why don’t we use SpaceX????? 🤷🤷🤷🤷 instead of waiting till somebody dies ☠️
Well you see boeing spends about 15,000,000 on lobbying per year and it wouldn't be right if the government didn't reward them.
NASA should reject Boeing's capsule and demand their money back!
StarLemon is the Joe Biden of spacecraft!!!!
@@JuricksEnterprise Biden died on a weekend 10 years ago
The ship set to dock with ISS in space. If not for the courage of the fearless crew, the Starliner would be lost.
Boing has been having major QC issues with their aircraft fleet. It would seem they're having similar QC issues with their space program as well. If NASA keeps bolstering Boings program without seeing significant improvement in their management, it starts to bring into question the judgment of NASA's officials
They should not send the crew back with the Starliner. If the return works fine without the crew, that's called a successful test flight. SpaceX will clean up the Boeing mess.
I'm afraid I don't share everyone else's confidence with SpaceX...so far they have been very lucky....
Boeing is having a hard time keeping their brand new airplanes in the air and yet they are still trusted to go into outer space?
Please Elon, just go rescue these two astronauts …… WHAT a statement‼️🇺🇸‼️ That would make😳
Danger danger, warning Will Boeing!
If it’s safe, just bring it back and tighten the screws seals in this case
How long till all the helium is leaked out? 😂 They are just waiting for spaceX to announce the rescue mission. No way after this they put people back Starliner and hope everything goes well. When going trough the atmosphere you need a lot of RCS firing so they get hot and looks they fail under heat. So they are stranded in space and just waiting before SpaceX comes to the rescue. And this will be a big blown for Boeing again.
Not at all. As long as it is docked, nothing is leaking. And EVERYTHING which causes issues (thrusters and heliumleak) is on the servicemodule, not on the Starliner capsule. So as soon as reentry starts, everything is fine anyway because that faulty service module is gone by then.
@adventureairinc7355 Why have there been so many problems surrounding the leaks and whether there would be enough helium, and secondly yes the servicemodlule will be discarded before reentry. But they holding Starliner for testing and making sure it will be ALL safe.
If there were no leaks anymore because the valves are closed and there is enough helium. Why can't they come back if there are no issues enough redundancy?
@@LennardA320 Helium will be used up and is leaking slowly when the open the valves for the return. But it is more than enough there, since helium leaks are very common in space flight. They can come home anytime. But then they do not excactly know what happend and why cause the service module with it´s issues is gone. The idea is to check the issues as long as the module ist still available and can transfer data. There is not "so many problems" there is actually just one: automated thruster shut down. And why not testing live in space when they have the opportunity to do so.
@adventureairinc7355 There still issues concerning safety and if Starliner is safe to have humans on board back trough a hard ride. Yes there is many times more helium than needed, that is redundancy. And yes use some of the time to learn what the problems are because you can test it now in space however not on Earth.
But my concerns are regarding now delay on delay on delay. There are problems that is why starliner is still docked. If everything is fine they can say a date and return but sadly they don't know if starliner is up to the task. Probably 90% yes but after glitches in systems name it. This causes concerns and delays and every time scrubbing a return gives no confidence that everything is good. So I am not sure about how safe this all is. It is a test flight but how much risk is BOEING want to take. Losing another over 6 Billion dollar craft with astronauts? Even if it returns.
NASA says they’re not stranded up there. I say wanna bet
They launched it with leaks, it should have never flown. Now they need a space x rescue mission and just cut the star liner away and let it burn up on reentry or just send it toward the sun to be destroyed
so when is Space X, going to go rescue them??
Space X can't even launch without exploding their master blaster
Nasa and Boeing really don't like this! they will wait until the Starliner's limit
Butch and Suni need great attorneys!
so Dump Boeing get your money back and go 100 percent Space X
Who is going to trust their life to SpaceX? Starship is a crock.
On the next Spacewalk, the astronauts need to put an "Out of Order" sign on the outside of Starliner. 😮😮😮
Putin having the last laugh😂
Literally no sane person dares to critize boeing. Parkinglot anyone?
This should have never happened..... Boeing and ULA needs to be defunded.
The latest date they can stay is January 2031 at that point SpaceX will help them back to Earth with the ISS 😂
NASA should not use Starlinrr for normal crew transportation. It should only be used as a backup if Crew Dragon has a problem.
NASA doesn't lie very well...Send SpaceX Dragon to pick the 2 Astronauts and dump the Starliner.
What, they can't use the solar panels to keep the batteries on the module charged? If its connected they should be able to power the module, if they can't, that's one hell of a feature oversight.
Your AI is having breathing issues. These pauses are intolerable.
Follow the money...who is getting rich at Boeing? The worship of cash will insist on money over life anytime.
Boeing should not be allowed to carry humans. They cant engineer a way out of a wet paper sack !!!!
Boeing is so pathetic!
No way I'd get back on that ship.
Updates are not being published because they are frightened and embarrassed about its condition.
Boeing should return every single tax dollar that they have wasted. And they shouldn’t get one more cent from the Government until they get their act together (trying to stick to community guidelines).
I wonder if Boeing designed the broken down new Tiana ride at Disney or did Disney design the Starliner?
Was NOT a test fligjt. It was intended to demonstrate contact satisfaction. That failed.
Can the Starliner return to earth unmanned by remote? It would be catastrophic to put these wonderful people in danger if you have any doubts about the safety of the capsule. It would be better to release Starliner into space unmanned as debris and send them a safe ride home.
Agree. Just release the capsule to burn itself on reentry and send an Space X to the rescue of the two poor souls stranded in space.
The helium is used for maneuvering thrusters, so no, it may fall on somebody's head.
yup, they're cooked.
Great Comment!
Anybody remember the 1970s movie "Marooned".
LOL
That situation much bleaker
If the earlier 45 day time limit was arbitrary, then why pick that number. What analysis was done to pick that number and why is that analysis NOW not valid? Why is it taking so long to "test" the service module and why couldn't they have tested it on the ground prior to launch? This raises a QA issue. And why can't they now test the service module on the ground with the one being built?! Something is not right and Boeing/NASA isn't telling us the entire truth.
NASA and Boeing is doing great. I'll stay on the ground, Thanks.
If NASA can simply extend the 45 day cerrtified maximum battery duration for Starliner in order to allow for extra tests to take place, this means that a) they are using up the built-in safety margins which will increase the risk for the astronauts on their return flight, or 2) the certification of a 45 day maximum battery duration was not based on any hard data. Either way it looks at though NASA should call in SpaceX to solve this major problem before they decide whether to continue with the Starliner project.
Boeing, you had one job…produce a second reliable crew/cargo transport to ISS…..what we got is a lemon, another NASA boondoggle spacecraft. Very disappointing.
Starliner could be delayed until the ISS is boosted back to to earth for destruction
It's like your airplane flight has been delayed by weather for a week. Sure, you like your vacation being longer in hawaii, but everyone would consider you STRANDED, no matter how nice it is to be in hawaii
Click bait. Why go over and over the same old story. Report when you have something newsworthy.
This is the latest update
@@alphatech4966 latest update of old material ?
I understand there are going to be teething problems with new space craft but Starliner should be cancelled. If SpaceX can get their spa craft operational in half the time at half the cost with zero issues then Boeing has failed in a massive and very expensive way and any further business with government should be with great scepticism. Boeing is a huge waste of money.
I agree with your sentiment, but one important reason for having an additional spacecraft is that Starliner can use it's thrusters to correct or adjust the ISS position and trajectory through space. Now and then it needs to be lifted or angled differently due to incoming space debris. SpaceX Crew Dragon can't do that. The only other craft that can do this is Soyus.
Boo, to NASA and Boeing. The mission planners say not to worry! Let's send them [the planners] into space on a Starliner...strand them for a month or two and then see how they feel about the little glitches of the Starliner! OK, the Starliner crew are not technically stranded as SpaceX can return them to Earth easily (we hope) but that is not the point of this video discussion. But don't try to tell me that the Starliner crew are happy with these events and if they are, then they need psychological evaluation when they return...along with the mission planners. All need to be replaced with responsible leadership and ...
Yet another movie in the making
The press can GFY. Even Space X had issues.
NASA: Is this thing safe to return or burn up, Boeing?
Boeing: Not 100% sure.
200 years from now, they’ll still be claiming that they’ll be landing on The moon ‘soon’ ?
If its safe to return. Then return.
You don't get any credibility hanging around the space station for "no reason"... because What can they do in the next 10 days that they haven't done already? Are they going to do a space walk to inspect the dead thruster? I don't think so when the suits keep malfunctioning (this is the second or third water leak).
Just take pictures and go home. That shouldn't take weeks. No one believes you are going to spacewalk, dismantle thruster assembly, reassemble it and fly home... so What are you doing?
It REALLY seems like NASA is lying about the capsule being safe or you would just land it, take the data and FIX the clearly flawed thruster design. We had good thrusters 60 years ago but Now its beyond Boeing's ability... well, THAT seems much more credible as they are run by shaved chimps that killed 350 people a few years ago and blew out a door recently and rubbish left in new airliner crawl spaces and this on the heels of the Disasterous 787 that couldn't make a profit for 10 years because some Dimwit high up decided to make fuselages in Italy and then build unique airliner just to transport them to South Carolina.
Boeing is Critical to national defense. It Really can't be allowed to fail.
Their current C Suite needs to GO and they desperately need to move all the suits out of Chicago, 1500 miles from the techs and engineers. Living in an ivory tower Clearly hasn't helped.
Bring in Musk or Shotwell to hire their replacements and Purge the company of DEI zombies. He did it with Twitter and it now runs nicely on 1/3 the head count. I would start by clearing out Chicago office.
After the 737Max fiasco followed by the blown out door, its clear the "leadership" is worse than clueless, they are Dangerous.
DEI = Didn't Exhibit Intelligence
Boeing can't even make a vehicle that flys around on earth right, how are we to believe they can do any better when it comes to space ships.
I wonder if corner cutting, bogus inspection reports, and unapproved procedures are part of their plan?
I'm just glad the astronauts got there safely. Hopefully they return safely as well. If they have to return via Space X Dragon, at least they will be back safely, but I hope NASA has learned their lesson and not trust Boeing.
It is not surprising that Mark Nappi finds reading media reports about the Starliner mission painful, with delay after delay in getting the astronauts back home safely. The first crewed Starliner mission, even if it ends with a perfect and problem free landing, has been a public relations disaster for Boeing and NASA.
Boeing, just give it up. Admit failure and send a Dragon capsule to save them.
Sounds like a bunch of Boeing/NASA face-saving gaslighting to me....
After what been going on with Boeings planes lately I don’t understand how they are trusted with this.
I am curious how much capability the crews have to repair the suits and other systems. Because of weight considerations I would think it is very limited.
Saving the life of the astronauts first is more important than NASA trying to involved in a massive public relations exercise and downplay Starliner’s problems about learning from its setback while the astronauts is in a threatening situation in space.
Is there any way to rescue Suni Williams and Butch Wilmore and bring them home safely!?!?
Remember GM the giant? No more. Boeing? On very slippery slope.
The main problem is to understand who's guilty, the thrusters or the software? Or both? My understanding is that this Starliner will be returned to earth empty. This is the supreme shame for Boeing.
They should have canceled this awesome spacecraft long ago